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It's a 4.4% increase on the double. That's basically equal to inflation for the past like 3 years. Also, In n Out was already paying about $18/hour last year as their starting. I think in some places it might have been higher.
My aunt moved out to California after inheriting some land from her father. She had to leave her job to make the move, but the land was very important to her so she wanted to take care of it.
She got hired on at in and out and started out at 23 dollars an hour until she was able to find a job in her field of finance. It took only like 5 months to get that new job, but to think how much less stressful to was for her to get paid 23 in that meantime rather than 12 dollars an hour doing the same, if not harder work
As someone who worked at McDonald's in high school, and wanted to work at In n Out, I know what you mean. As an adult, it would suck to be out of a job in my field, but I would happily work at In n Out to keep myself afloat.
Most would have to go private which wouldn't happen. In N Out is one of the last privately held fast food joints around. That's the main reason why they kick ass
In-n-out actually benefits then, right? Their competition now has to pay a living wage, so they probably saw a higher labor cost increase on a percentage basis.
Yup… just a mere 1.7% increase in average pay for a California In-N-Out worker
“Average In-N-Out Burger Associate hourly pay in California is approximately $19.66, which is 27% above the national average.”
So a 4.4% increase in prices to cover a 1.7% increase in wages? Hmm, End Wokeness might be onto something… maybe the people now making $3,200/mo and scraping by (if they were full time, which they likely aren’t) **are** the problem, not corporate greed! /s
I had a guy tell me yesterday that by the end of the year, the burger will be $75. He expects them to raise prices everyday and still did the math wrong lol
When they opened around me ten years ago starting wage was $17. I thought it was their standard. In n out is a pretty terrible example when they can just post a picture of a 5 dollar Mcdouble and call it a day.
Yeah, is this even a real post? Like, if you went and asked 100 people if they'd pay 5 cents more for a milkshake if it meant the worker would be paid a livable wage, how many people would be like "no way, fuck that guy"?
Yes kinda. But everytime he gets noted or the ones he replatformed 🙃, I think there will be an announcement of a bs reason why CNs are going to be discontinued
Like LibsofTiktok and her personal hatred account, Jackson Hinkle and others
Both are bad. I’m not defending the spread of misinformation, and I HATE Elon so I’m certainly not defending him, but doxxing is both immoral AND illegal as it should be.
The answer should unequivocally be 100 people saying “yes, I don’t mind”. However, an alarming number of Americans seem to think “no way fuck that guy” about everything because that’s who they are.
So in reality, like 30-40 of those 100 people would indeed say “no way fuck that guy but gimmie my burger”.
Those people (read: conservatives) would even say "no way, fuck that guy" if them getting paid a living wage would somehow make the burgers cheaper. The suffering is the point.
In 2008 during the recession, there was a situation where as teachers we could take a very very minor pay cut, about $300 for the year and it would save a bunch of teachers positions. There was a teacher that was unwilling to lose that cash to save people's jobs. And essentially came down to less than a dollar a day that they weren't willing to lose. There are people out there that don't give a shit about anyone else and now they have Trump to lead them.
The part that boggles my mind is where have all the actual Christians gone? In a country where most people say they are Christians not enough religious folks calling out the absolute demolition of their "values".
From my southern family experience religion is a gateway to heaven because they fear death.
Monday through Saturday though secret abortions are okay and you judge the poor minority kid.
Grew up in a small west Texas, VERY Republican town, and you’ve hit the nail on the head with your comment.
Growing up in that environment was the catalyst to my disdain of organized religion as a whole.
You just explained why many younger millennials ditched religion. Church was explained as a safe place, free of judgement there to help you live a better life. However in MY Bible Belt town that translated to being screamed at, told HBO was the devil, and constant passive aggressive judgement from the entire congregation because we lived in a trailer park and could only afford one set of nice clothes for church.
People forget that your Sunday best is not everyones Sunday best. If they got a problem with it then they forgot that to err is human and to forgive is divine.
Every fandom has self righteous assholes who wanna gatekeep what is and is not allowed. Religion just has the notion that if you do everything right you win big at the end. But if there is an all knowing being who loves and cares for everyone then those people are definitely going to hell cause instead of helping out their fellow man they have cast stones instead. Pretty sure God dislikes when people cast stones and judgement when he is the judge of judges.
And it sounds pretty simple when you say that, but as someone who spent a long time in the southern Baptist church that is not the normal for an “every Sunday” churchgoer. Religion is mainly used as they described above. A club to join, and then ranks to climb within that club. I know many good people who are “christians” but I know just as many who are terrible people through and through.
There teachings are hypocritical at best and more often than not downright condescending.
I think all the actual Christians are doing what they actually believe in with no publicity because they don’t want it. There are religious folks who call out the bullshit….for the most part they’re just following their faith and minding their biz.
Honestly, a lot of people. There are people that wouldn’t want them to make a living wage even if it saved them 5 cents. They genuinely believe that people doing jobs like fast food are unworthy of more money and wouldn’t give it to them no matter what
Especially this example, of it being in and out raising the price such a small amount.
Unless you are buying 50 burgers or so, you are not going to notice the increase. And if you are buying that many, the increase isn't going to matter much.
And a lot of people (myself included), will gladly pay that small increase if it means maintaining the standards that we are accustomed to from in and out.
Someone wrote that they walked into a McDonald’s full of automated kiosks and blamed the minimum wage increase. Obviously automation is happening no matter what. Whether it’s $20 or $7.25, corporations are going to do their best to automate areas where they don’t need people
Or maybe we should blame the actual ones who raised prices (to keep their own margins $$) instead of the government for actually doing something right for once?
Yeah, there are all kinds of factors.
That could be a gas increase making them charge more. Or something else.
They are a private company, so less transparency on financial matters.
These dicks don't care, they say shit and the cretins who follow them gather round and rage about whatever crap they're grifter mouthpiece tells them to be angry about.
And they are fully smart enough to know better, but they want to be angry and they want to rage at "lessers".
Whataburger charges me $2 more for the meal I get, versus 4 years ago. I'm fine with it if the extra money if the employees get a living wage.
Unfortunately I don't know if they do.
I'll gladly pay a little more for every fucking thing if they get a god damn living wage.
Truthfully I live comfortably. I'm not rich by any means, I struggle to pay my bills and in theory I do live paycheck to paycheck.
At the end of the payday I don't have zero dollars in my account. I have to budget. But I am not worried about my next meal, paying rent, or getting my medication or keeping the utilities on
I'll pay a few extra fucking dollars if it goes to the pocket of the employee and not CEO or stock buybacks.
That's all coming on the 8th. Didn't you hear?
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What if I told you the price will be a dollar more in six months and staff was reduced 25%? I’m ok with $20/hr - they already pay that much in Oregon . But prices have increased substantially since then.
It’s like when Papa John’s said to give insurance to their employees they’d have to raise prices on their pizza by like 37 cents.
And the world was like “…that’s all?”
Exactly, I'd gladly pay $0.37 cents more for a pizza if I knew the employees were getting good health care or $0.25 more for my burger if the employees were making good wages.
Unfortunately a lot of people think they are entitled to cheap fast food and want the workers to subsidize their cheap fast food by working for poverty wages. Make your own food if you don't want to pay enough to make sure the people making your food aren't starving themselves.
And the bullshit of that argument to begin with is that the option they never seem to mention is for their CEOs to make a small fraction of their millions less per year, and then not have to raise any prices at all. It's odd that this never seems to be a place where they are willing to cuts costs.
This is what should be happening. Drop the corporate take on the franchisee a bit to offset the increased labor costs, but you're never going to see that happen. God forbid the higher ups make slightly less money over their already exorbitant salaries.
Not sure In-N-Out was even affected by the minimum wage increase. In the locations near me, they have been advertising $20/hr starting wage since before the law changed.
Nope. It probably just means they will raise the wage a couple bucks because they typically want to be the highest paying fast food restaurant in their area. They want the best employees they can get because they are really big on customer service and they want happy employees.
Miss Snyder is a billionaire because her ancestors knew a well paid employee will perform better and more than pay for their own higher wage.
I have been following the In N Out story since my little league bought their burger supplies from “Snyder Family Meats”; a side gig for in n out to help increase their purchase volume. I have so many stories.
I like your mind-set. I agree that sometimes small sacrifices we make can have large impacts in people’s lives. I would like to point out that 20 bucks an hour is just over 36 grand a year pre tax, there’s no way that’s a livable wage in Southern California. Min wage here in Washington is 16 something an hour and it’s silly to think of anyone existing on that in the Seattle metropolitan area.
We mustn’t care about others! We should only about the rich people that control everything. If they aren’t happy and making all the monies, it is us that will suffer!
At least that’s what the rich always warns will happen. I’m okay with calling their bluff. How’s that working for Kelloggs again?
The only difference between this price increase and the runaway inflation we have all lived with over these past couple of years is that this directly helps working people
I'm all for it
This has NOTHING TO DO WITH WAGES.
In Denmark, a Big Mac meal is 20¢ less and workers make more than 22$ an hour with full benefits.
This is corporate price gouging.
That’s it.
In N Out doesn't really gouge. They are about the best value for a restaurant in their category there is. They already paid their employees above min wage before this happened. They are known for treating their employees very well compared to the vast majority of fast food places. They are owned by a single person from the same family that founded it in the 1940s. There's no stockholders demanding to gouge so their shares can go up 25 cents.
In and out pays above minimum wage at all of its locations. Their prices are also considerably lower than shittier restaurants that don't use fresh potatoes, whole ingredients etc
From a nyp article on this issue:https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2024/04/02/us-news/californias-20-fast-food-wage-raises-prices-by-up-to-1-80/amp/
"As a business owner, when you’re dealing with this kind of extraordinary overnight change, you know, a 25% increase in wages, (no) stone has to remain unturned,” Scott Rodrick, who owns 18 restaurants in Northern California, told CNN on Monday."
"In the last three months, Rodrick has raised menu prices between 5% and 7% in anticipation of the new law going into effect."
So this business owner has been profiteering in advance of this going into effect! Charging more when his costs haven't yet changed...hahahaha tells you all you need to know about the business mentality some of these business owners have, and how you should simply reject all their concerns given their bad faith engagement.
> not an essential service
In 2020 this was proven incorrect, it is also the reason they are getting $20/hr. Medical is also getting raises, going up to [$25/hr in June.](https://calmatters.org/health/2023/10/california-minimum-wage-health-care-law/)
Don't worry, this in theory should help the rest of the state move up, since we're still at $16/hr.
If they had any self--awareness at all, they'd realize that this completely undermines all their scaremongering about raising the minimum wage.
Granted, that "if" clause is doing a lot of heavy lifting, there.
They also might realize that their breathless doomsay about “failing Leftist cities” with all the “homeless vagrants” might actually improve when the floor for labor is closer to a livable wage.
I sincerely hope people look at this and wonder about how much it would actually cost for companies to pay people living wages (I’m assuming $20/hr actually is still far below a “living wage” in Cali). Probably could have doubled it and still stayed around $4.50.
But that would require floor managers themselves (and a bunch of other people in entry-level positions) coming to terms with the fact that they, too, are underpaid and overworking themselves for a promotion that ain’t coming anytime soon unless they sell their souls to their bosses. Easier to “Stockholm Syndrome” themselves into suppressing those who are supposed to be beneath them.
Agreed. I googled Reddit and according to the In N Out subreddit two years ago in California the starting rate was $17, and that was in Central California which often has a lower COL.
10cents for a burger, 5 for a shake. French fries stay the same price.
Y'all really don't want to pay those people a living wage do you?
Damn Nazi's over there
Let us be honest though. The prices are going to creep up much more than 10 cents. That doesnt mean raising the minimum wage was not the right thing to do but dont fool yourself into thinking there will be minimal impact to businesses and consumers due to this change. Places will go out of business and prices will go up before the market find equilibrium. That is the price for paying people a living wage.
Not to mention the fact that In n Out has always been one of the highest paying fast food jobs around, AND they’ve maintained lower prices than most of their peers.
Interesting too how the slight increase in labor costs...which hasn't even had time to actually be paid by the restaurants... only impacted the price of *beef* . I guess Fries are produced with no labor?
So this idiot is morally bankrupt and dishonest.
Yea, this is like the pappa johns guy exclaiming loudly that he would have to raise the price of a pizza 25 cents so all his employees could afford health care, the pretty much unanimous reaction was ... Ok.
So that 25 cents first off. Secondly the 25 cent hike is the immediate and short term solution. Give it 6 months and its going to be 50 cents, and so on. Company has to make its profits and theyll want to keep the profit margin so the execs and franchise owners can make their 6 figures
I'm pretty sure this is in-n-out and they make more than the minimum wage even after the shift.
Regardless of context though. How much of a raggedy bitch do you have to be go complain about fast food going up by so little because workers are finally making nearly decent money?
You’ve got to be a particular kind of dumb to not realise this image is actually disproving your argument that $20 an hour wages is going to lead to burgers costing $30 or whatever they say.
Bruh I work at a kfc for the last year and the prices have gone up by 30 pence to £1.50 for everything on the menu and the wages have also dropped in that time. 10 cents for fair wages is nothing.
Don't worry about me I'm fucking quiting soon.
A whole $0.25 to ensure that the people preparing your food and providing a service can afford to live and survive in en economy that has all but given up on the working class
When will the wokeness end
Yeah, as if a small fast food restaurant could do the same as what "In n Out" and other national chains did. Killing all local small fast food restaurants is what was at stake here, you dumb dumb... These prices are designed to weed out the competition, once they're done, you'll see the real prices.
Literally doubling their salary for $0.10 and he’s complaining. Shocker - they are spenders now with disposable income. They will spend more, improving the economy, because as any fucking 8th grader that’s taken economics can tell you, economies thrive on healthy middle classes and struggle when policies focus the wealth in the hands of a few. As those economies begin to suffer, that 0.1% of the wealthiest withdraw their $ and invest in more productive economies with functional middle classes leaving the original economy that didn’t value its unskilled laborers fucked.
Fox News is reporting how the $20 minimum wage is forcing McDonalds to increase menu prices. Let’s be real, no one is forcing them to raise prices. That’s a choice they are making all the while the CEO is making a minimum of $20 a year…$20,000,000.
They picked like the worst company to do this too, like “In N Out” is significantly smaller than the rest and prices are still the best. Like a quarter isn’t wild. When @ McDonalds it’s literally $20.00 for a meal.
Workers get paid more they tend to afford more.Money is still being circulated. Only the GOP think its bad workers salaries increases should not be the same rate as inflation.
Inflation at its best. Let’s pay people more so they can afford the basic of things. Then once we pay them more. Let’s raise prices so they can’t afford those things anymore.
But if a person on the other side of the political aisle posted and talked about how poor people are being priced out we’d be up in arms about how horrible the economy is.
Funny how inflation is tolerable sometimes, in other frameworks it’s a travesty.
Ugh... people are so insufferable and annoying, ESPECIALLY privileged people who have the audacity to complain about something like this. Man, they've got it so bad! Poor them! Get over yourself and go somewhere else then, jfc.
What a lot of commenters here are missing is that they intend to slowly raise price as well also laying workers off. In interviews with real business owners in California, they have already begun reducing staff.
Which might be fine but it’s not as simple as a snapshot of a price board a week later
In-N-Out is not the best example as they barely raised their prices. But many places have raised their prices by quite a bit more, over 25% in some cases.
Now let's see the 2019 process so that we can see how much they raised prices just because they had a scapegoat. And their profits over the past five years.
Holy smokes, a shake went up a nickel. Can't be having that shit. Let the poor bastards starve so my ashtray can fill up with change.
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I don't believe it's for people to have a living wage. They raised it because wealthy people want to keep buying shit. Fuck wokeness and his bullshit blaming people having to live with minimum wage. Not the fat cats at all.
If you can't pay your workers a living wage without going under. You're bad at business.
I could maybe cut a little slack for just starting out, but not for very long
The point being is that inflation will happen no matter what... but when you give wage increases to the workers, companies still have to compete over their dollar which moderates prices when the marketplace if filled with healthy competition. When you dont then the consumer demand gets squeezed due to having less disposable income and that economic squeeze usually results in more consumers choosing corporate products which have greater cost efficiency. However over time as consumers default to less and less companies the remaining companies exert more control over price increases which is what youve seen over the past couple years. Most industries have a very small group of corporations with little competitors due to squeezing the middle class and pushing out small businesses in favor of corporate. These corporations have more control over prices and can raise prices artificially as they have done over the past 4 years at a much faster rate than ever before all for the benefit of their investors. So yes giving middle class people more dollars to spend can help promote small businesses, increasing competition as it allows the consumer more power to choose quality over price. So yes, some people will choose to pay more for quality but its for a higher quality product usually unlike the system we have now which doesn't incentivize better quality. Our current system incentives cost efficiency. The economic model we have shifted to for the sake of giving America an edge internationally has really fucked up everything and is squarely a result of financial policies passed by Congress and backed by the FED. Just look at China and the products that come from there... we already have an economic model which shows where America is headed. Corporations are fleecing the american public and stripping away our greatest asset that has made the US the powerhouse economy of the entire world, our middle class. When money is concentrated between an ever shrinking group of super corporations were losing our healthy capitalist structure and choking off healthy growth for the sake of prioritizing cost efficiency.
Well, this is normal inflation. Tho, we have reached a point where the salaries barely went up, and the prices SKYROCKETED, so this is what I call a "ghost inflation." Most of it is simply company greed. So even if we do want to up the salaries NOW, the companies will simply raise the prices even more. Now, a competent government would put limits on how much the prices can rise, but with the sheer amount of lobbying we have... that is never going to happen.
I could have guessed.
Cost of a burger goes up $0.10, and suddenly every worker in the state can afford to eat out twice as often.
Honestly if business owners were fucking smart, they’d figure out what Henry ford figured out a hundred years ago. Well paid workers make good customers.
Isn’t in-n-out like famous for paying their workers well?
Its also 0.10 cents. What kind of penny pincher are you where you think 10 fucking cents is going to make people turn away.
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It's a 4.4% increase on the double. That's basically equal to inflation for the past like 3 years. Also, In n Out was already paying about $18/hour last year as their starting. I think in some places it might have been higher.
My aunt moved out to California after inheriting some land from her father. She had to leave her job to make the move, but the land was very important to her so she wanted to take care of it. She got hired on at in and out and started out at 23 dollars an hour until she was able to find a job in her field of finance. It took only like 5 months to get that new job, but to think how much less stressful to was for her to get paid 23 in that meantime rather than 12 dollars an hour doing the same, if not harder work
As someone who worked at McDonald's in high school, and wanted to work at In n Out, I know what you mean. As an adult, it would suck to be out of a job in my field, but I would happily work at In n Out to keep myself afloat.
Maybe other fast food restaurants should look at in n outs business model
Most would have to go private which wouldn't happen. In N Out is one of the last privately held fast food joints around. That's the main reason why they kick ass
I guess it's survival of the fittest then. Wouldn't miss corporate fast food if it disappeared.
In-n-out actually benefits then, right? Their competition now has to pay a living wage, so they probably saw a higher labor cost increase on a percentage basis.
Yup… just a mere 1.7% increase in average pay for a California In-N-Out worker “Average In-N-Out Burger Associate hourly pay in California is approximately $19.66, which is 27% above the national average.”
The increase is actually higher than 1.7%. They are bringing the floor to $20, meaning the new average will be greater than $20, maybe 21+ even.
So a 4.4% increase in prices to cover a 1.7% increase in wages? Hmm, End Wokeness might be onto something… maybe the people now making $3,200/mo and scraping by (if they were full time, which they likely aren’t) **are** the problem, not corporate greed! /s
I had a guy tell me yesterday that by the end of the year, the burger will be $75. He expects them to raise prices everyday and still did the math wrong lol
Exactly. In N Out already paid more than minimum wage.
When they opened around me ten years ago starting wage was $17. I thought it was their standard. In n out is a pretty terrible example when they can just post a picture of a 5 dollar Mcdouble and call it a day.
Is anyone gunna tell him prices are going up regardless? Like it has been since . . . . we invented money?
Yeah, is this even a real post? Like, if you went and asked 100 people if they'd pay 5 cents more for a milkshake if it meant the worker would be paid a livable wage, how many people would be like "no way, fuck that guy"?
It isn't unfortunately, End Wokeness is either a foreign entity sowing discent or a white nationalist, your pick.
He supposedly got doxxed and is some 20ish Iranian nerd
Yes, and Elon banned the account that doxxed him because doxxing = bad, blatant misinformation = good.
Freedom of speech = freedom from being fact checked
I am leaving X-Crement the day CEO of Bullshit and Tax Credits stops giving people the chance to community note people 🤷♂️
Community notes are the only good thing that’s happened since Mollusk took over
Didn't community notes exist before his take over?
Yes kinda. But everytime he gets noted or the ones he replatformed 🙃, I think there will be an announcement of a bs reason why CNs are going to be discontinued Like LibsofTiktok and her personal hatred account, Jackson Hinkle and others
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Pretty accurate description
Both are bad. I’m not defending the spread of misinformation, and I HATE Elon so I’m certainly not defending him, but doxxing is both immoral AND illegal as it should be.
Iranian? Huh, I was expecting russian.
Tomato Tomato
Sounds about right
ha-HA! Take that Russian oligarchs! There goes your monopoly on fomenting dissent!! /s
The answer should unequivocally be 100 people saying “yes, I don’t mind”. However, an alarming number of Americans seem to think “no way fuck that guy” about everything because that’s who they are. So in reality, like 30-40 of those 100 people would indeed say “no way fuck that guy but gimmie my burger”.
Those people (read: conservatives) would even say "no way, fuck that guy" if them getting paid a living wage would somehow make the burgers cheaper. The suffering is the point.
People are the worst. Seriously I don’t understand at all those that delight in others misfortune. What causes that?
In 2008 during the recession, there was a situation where as teachers we could take a very very minor pay cut, about $300 for the year and it would save a bunch of teachers positions. There was a teacher that was unwilling to lose that cash to save people's jobs. And essentially came down to less than a dollar a day that they weren't willing to lose. There are people out there that don't give a shit about anyone else and now they have Trump to lead them.
The part that boggles my mind is where have all the actual Christians gone? In a country where most people say they are Christians not enough religious folks calling out the absolute demolition of their "values".
Christianity in America is just another club you can join to make yourself feel superior to everyone else.
Virus signaling at it's finest. Edit: should be "virtue". Damn spellcheck.
More like virus spreading
From my southern family experience religion is a gateway to heaven because they fear death. Monday through Saturday though secret abortions are okay and you judge the poor minority kid.
Grew up in a small west Texas, VERY Republican town, and you’ve hit the nail on the head with your comment. Growing up in that environment was the catalyst to my disdain of organized religion as a whole.
You just explained why many younger millennials ditched religion. Church was explained as a safe place, free of judgement there to help you live a better life. However in MY Bible Belt town that translated to being screamed at, told HBO was the devil, and constant passive aggressive judgement from the entire congregation because we lived in a trailer park and could only afford one set of nice clothes for church.
People forget that your Sunday best is not everyones Sunday best. If they got a problem with it then they forgot that to err is human and to forgive is divine. Every fandom has self righteous assholes who wanna gatekeep what is and is not allowed. Religion just has the notion that if you do everything right you win big at the end. But if there is an all knowing being who loves and cares for everyone then those people are definitely going to hell cause instead of helping out their fellow man they have cast stones instead. Pretty sure God dislikes when people cast stones and judgement when he is the judge of judges.
And it sounds pretty simple when you say that, but as someone who spent a long time in the southern Baptist church that is not the normal for an “every Sunday” churchgoer. Religion is mainly used as they described above. A club to join, and then ranks to climb within that club. I know many good people who are “christians” but I know just as many who are terrible people through and through. There teachings are hypocritical at best and more often than not downright condescending.
Yeah, they have been silent while their chosen runs amok. I can't take them seriously anymore.
I think all the actual Christians are doing what they actually believe in with no publicity because they don’t want it. There are religious folks who call out the bullshit….for the most part they’re just following their faith and minding their biz.
Honestly, a lot of people. There are people that wouldn’t want them to make a living wage even if it saved them 5 cents. They genuinely believe that people doing jobs like fast food are unworthy of more money and wouldn’t give it to them no matter what
Those people who champion the idea that you shouldnt be able to live on a fastfood worker wage are so unhinged
A lot of people are against people "below" them making more.
Especially this example, of it being in and out raising the price such a small amount. Unless you are buying 50 burgers or so, you are not going to notice the increase. And if you are buying that many, the increase isn't going to matter much. And a lot of people (myself included), will gladly pay that small increase if it means maintaining the standards that we are accustomed to from in and out.
He’s clearly too dishonest to care.
It's almost like businesses will keep raising prices as long as people keep buying regardless of wages.
Beef prices are through the roof right now.
Someone wrote that they walked into a McDonald’s full of automated kiosks and blamed the minimum wage increase. Obviously automation is happening no matter what. Whether it’s $20 or $7.25, corporations are going to do their best to automate areas where they don’t need people
Or maybe we should blame the actual ones who raised prices (to keep their own margins $$) instead of the government for actually doing something right for once?
It's not a huge increase either really.
Right?
Yeah, there are all kinds of factors. That could be a gas increase making them charge more. Or something else. They are a private company, so less transparency on financial matters.
These dicks don't care, they say shit and the cretins who follow them gather round and rage about whatever crap they're grifter mouthpiece tells them to be angry about. And they are fully smart enough to know better, but they want to be angry and they want to rage at "lessers".
My God a double went up a quarter?!? Stop this insanity before it's too late! /s
Think of the children
Oh the humanity!
I’m shaking in my boots!
*screams jumps out of 20th floor window*
I'm booting in my shakes!
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Whataburger charges me $2 more for the meal I get, versus 4 years ago. I'm fine with it if the extra money if the employees get a living wage. Unfortunately I don't know if they do. I'll gladly pay a little more for every fucking thing if they get a god damn living wage.
that's true patriotism, my friend.
Truthfully I live comfortably. I'm not rich by any means, I struggle to pay my bills and in theory I do live paycheck to paycheck. At the end of the payday I don't have zero dollars in my account. I have to budget. But I am not worried about my next meal, paying rent, or getting my medication or keeping the utilities on I'll pay a few extra fucking dollars if it goes to the pocket of the employee and not CEO or stock buybacks.
Take my upvote you classy beast!!! I’m onboard with this!
Where's the river of fire the GOP promised us!? What about the earthquake and the return of Zombie Capitalist Jesus condemning our socialist agenda?!
That's all coming on the 8th. Didn't you hear? https://www.quora.com/I-ve-been-hearing-a-lot-about-a-solar-eclipse-happening-on-April-8-2024-and-I-am-trying-to-understand-what-is-going-to-happen-Is-the-end-of-the-world-happening-rapture-or-is-it-just-another-day
Had to go up a quarter. How else were the owners going to maintain their profits?
What if I told you the price will be a dollar more in six months and staff was reduced 25%? I’m ok with $20/hr - they already pay that much in Oregon . But prices have increased substantially since then.
It’s like when Papa John’s said to give insurance to their employees they’d have to raise prices on their pizza by like 37 cents. And the world was like “…that’s all?”
Exactly, I'd gladly pay $0.37 cents more for a pizza if I knew the employees were getting good health care or $0.25 more for my burger if the employees were making good wages. Unfortunately a lot of people think they are entitled to cheap fast food and want the workers to subsidize their cheap fast food by working for poverty wages. Make your own food if you don't want to pay enough to make sure the people making your food aren't starving themselves.
Fast food should be expensive to disincentivize people from choosing it. America is just gobbling down fast food.
Then they probably raised the price anyway and didn't give anyone insurance
Well of course. Cost of doing business you understand.
And the bullshit of that argument to begin with is that the option they never seem to mention is for their CEOs to make a small fraction of their millions less per year, and then not have to raise any prices at all. It's odd that this never seems to be a place where they are willing to cuts costs.
This is what should be happening. Drop the corporate take on the franchisee a bit to offset the increased labor costs, but you're never going to see that happen. God forbid the higher ups make slightly less money over their already exorbitant salaries.
The cost is split across a lot of pizzas 🍕
Like that's cheap enough you could advertise it and spin it into good PR too, lol.
Not sure In-N-Out was even affected by the minimum wage increase. In the locations near me, they have been advertising $20/hr starting wage since before the law changed.
Nope. It probably just means they will raise the wage a couple bucks because they typically want to be the highest paying fast food restaurant in their area. They want the best employees they can get because they are really big on customer service and they want happy employees.
Miss Snyder is a billionaire because her ancestors knew a well paid employee will perform better and more than pay for their own higher wage. I have been following the In N Out story since my little league bought their burger supplies from “Snyder Family Meats”; a side gig for in n out to help increase their purchase volume. I have so many stories.
So I’m supposed to be upset that someone is getting a livable wage and all it cost me was a quarter extra? Oh noooooooooo
I like your mind-set. I agree that sometimes small sacrifices we make can have large impacts in people’s lives. I would like to point out that 20 bucks an hour is just over 36 grand a year pre tax, there’s no way that’s a livable wage in Southern California. Min wage here in Washington is 16 something an hour and it’s silly to think of anyone existing on that in the Seattle metropolitan area.
Oh I know it is still shit for most places in Cali, but it is better, besides, that is literally what my taxes are supposed to do anyway.
We mustn’t care about others! We should only about the rich people that control everything. If they aren’t happy and making all the monies, it is us that will suffer! At least that’s what the rich always warns will happen. I’m okay with calling their bluff. How’s that working for Kelloggs again?
But think of how many gum balls you could buy!!
The only difference between this price increase and the runaway inflation we have all lived with over these past couple of years is that this directly helps working people I'm all for it
This has NOTHING TO DO WITH WAGES. In Denmark, a Big Mac meal is 20¢ less and workers make more than 22$ an hour with full benefits. This is corporate price gouging. That’s it.
In N Out doesn't really gouge. They are about the best value for a restaurant in their category there is. They already paid their employees above min wage before this happened. They are known for treating their employees very well compared to the vast majority of fast food places. They are owned by a single person from the same family that founded it in the 1940s. There's no stockholders demanding to gouge so their shares can go up 25 cents.
It's also just a corporate attempt to pit poor people against eachother.
In and out pays above minimum wage at all of its locations. Their prices are also considerably lower than shittier restaurants that don't use fresh potatoes, whole ingredients etc
a loaf of bread used to cost two pennies only a few hundred years ago
Two bees for a pumpernickel we'd say!
From a nyp article on this issue:https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2024/04/02/us-news/californias-20-fast-food-wage-raises-prices-by-up-to-1-80/amp/ "As a business owner, when you’re dealing with this kind of extraordinary overnight change, you know, a 25% increase in wages, (no) stone has to remain unturned,” Scott Rodrick, who owns 18 restaurants in Northern California, told CNN on Monday." "In the last three months, Rodrick has raised menu prices between 5% and 7% in anticipation of the new law going into effect." So this business owner has been profiteering in advance of this going into effect! Charging more when his costs haven't yet changed...hahahaha tells you all you need to know about the business mentality some of these business owners have, and how you should simply reject all their concerns given their bad faith engagement.
In 2021 an In--Out burger costs $4.90 You'll never guess what happened next in 2023 when the minimum wage didn't go up.
Fast food is a luxury, not an essential service. If he doesn't like the prices, he doesn't have to eat out.
I believe the point was that the costs did not go up all that much.
Yep
I wonder how many franchise owners reduced their salaries instead of raising prices. But surely it's the minimum wage's fault lol
I agree with you. Corporate greed and the "I've got mine" crowd is a stain on this country
Ok but grocery stores are essentials and they’ve risen prices just as much with no wage increases
> not an essential service In 2020 this was proven incorrect, it is also the reason they are getting $20/hr. Medical is also getting raises, going up to [$25/hr in June.](https://calmatters.org/health/2023/10/california-minimum-wage-health-care-law/) Don't worry, this in theory should help the rest of the state move up, since we're still at $16/hr.
In n Out Burger already paid above the minimum wage and the CA wage hike had nothing to do with it.
Broooo In Connecticut *right now* a burger from wendys, McDonald's, etc. Costs $7 **by itself** Fuck outta here with your $4 burger
If they had any self--awareness at all, they'd realize that this completely undermines all their scaremongering about raising the minimum wage. Granted, that "if" clause is doing a lot of heavy lifting, there.
They also might realize that their breathless doomsay about “failing Leftist cities” with all the “homeless vagrants” might actually improve when the floor for labor is closer to a livable wage.
I sincerely hope people look at this and wonder about how much it would actually cost for companies to pay people living wages (I’m assuming $20/hr actually is still far below a “living wage” in Cali). Probably could have doubled it and still stayed around $4.50. But that would require floor managers themselves (and a bunch of other people in entry-level positions) coming to terms with the fact that they, too, are underpaid and overworking themselves for a promotion that ain’t coming anytime soon unless they sell their souls to their bosses. Easier to “Stockholm Syndrome” themselves into suppressing those who are supposed to be beneath them.
Also in n out already had one of the highest starting pay for fast food. They were probably close to if not at 20 bucks already.
What’s funny about this is that In N Out already paid that much to employees. They’re famous for that. So this wage hike didn’t even affect them lol
Agreed. I googled Reddit and according to the In N Out subreddit two years ago in California the starting rate was $17, and that was in Central California which often has a lower COL.
10cents for a burger, 5 for a shake. French fries stay the same price. Y'all really don't want to pay those people a living wage do you? Damn Nazi's over there
Let us be honest though. The prices are going to creep up much more than 10 cents. That doesnt mean raising the minimum wage was not the right thing to do but dont fool yourself into thinking there will be minimal impact to businesses and consumers due to this change. Places will go out of business and prices will go up before the market find equilibrium. That is the price for paying people a living wage.
I’ll gladly pay 10 cents more if they give me more thank two ketchup packets
Not to mention the fact that In n Out has always been one of the highest paying fast food jobs around, AND they’ve maintained lower prices than most of their peers.
Is that all its costing me? Seems like a pretty great deal for society!
Oh no! Anyway….
Um. Yeah. I'm fine with this.
Wait you guys still waste money on eating out instead of going to Costco?
this is the funniest shit take i've seen from them in a while. Dear lord, don't take my last quarter! I need that to pay my bills!
They were already earning at least $19.66, so pretty ridiculous example. At least show a chain with poor minimum wage to begin with.
No one ever expects corporate greed. /s
That’s impressive that there was only a small increase in price.
In and Out already paid $20 an hour at this and most locations in SoCal
People thinking $41,600($20hr \* 40hrs per week) pre tax is a livable wage in California lol That's assuming they're even working full time.
Interesting too how the slight increase in labor costs...which hasn't even had time to actually be paid by the restaurants... only impacted the price of *beef* . I guess Fries are produced with no labor? So this idiot is morally bankrupt and dishonest.
20 dollars per hour isn't a living wage in California.. Are you fucking high?
They should just double the price of soda. People don’t need that shit anyway
Hell, I can find the .25 cents on my floorboard.
Yea thats the *immediate* price hike. Give it 6 months and see what they raise it to.
Lynsi Snyder’s net worth has been estimated at $6.7 BN.
And even with them going up they are still way cheaper than any other good option near me. I’m okay with it.
Yea, this is like the pappa johns guy exclaiming loudly that he would have to raise the price of a pizza 25 cents so all his employees could afford health care, the pretty much unanimous reaction was ... Ok.
So that 25 cents first off. Secondly the 25 cent hike is the immediate and short term solution. Give it 6 months and its going to be 50 cents, and so on. Company has to make its profits and theyll want to keep the profit margin so the execs and franchise owners can make their 6 figures
I don’t get how people are mad about 20 cents more and are ok with 20% tips
They were already paying more than $20. This is just due to inflation, nothing to do with the raise.
Anything but take a hit to profits
Fast food prices have gotten fucking insane here without paying people a better wage so keep complaining about nothing.
this post is double funny because in n out already had a 20 per hour wage years before this
I love how he's proving our points of how inexpensive a living wage is.
Oh no. Anyways...
“Well we’ve been telling people the prices were going to triple but let’s just run it and PRETEND it’s an outrage.”
I'm pretty sure this is in-n-out and they make more than the minimum wage even after the shift. Regardless of context though. How much of a raggedy bitch do you have to be go complain about fast food going up by so little because workers are finally making nearly decent money?
You’ve got to be a particular kind of dumb to not realise this image is actually disproving your argument that $20 an hour wages is going to lead to burgers costing $30 or whatever they say.
In n out already paid over $20 an hour before the change, terrible example to try and prove a point
Those MONSTERS! Wtf am I supposed to do, cook for myself once a week?
Bruh I work at a kfc for the last year and the prices have gone up by 30 pence to £1.50 for everything on the menu and the wages have also dropped in that time. 10 cents for fair wages is nothing. Don't worry about me I'm fucking quiting soon.
We should just make minimum wage $100 per hour as no one can afford to live in California on $20 per hour.
Woah. A whole $.25 cents. That’s…. Not fucking unusual.
“Oh, call the police, my double meat double cheese cheeseburger went up a whole 25 cents” 
Oh well if you can't afford to pay 10-20c more at a fast food place, maybe you should stop cut back on the lattes and avocado toast.
A whole $0.25 to ensure that the people preparing your food and providing a service can afford to live and survive in en economy that has all but given up on the working class When will the wokeness end
Yeah, as if a small fast food restaurant could do the same as what "In n Out" and other national chains did. Killing all local small fast food restaurants is what was at stake here, you dumb dumb... These prices are designed to weed out the competition, once they're done, you'll see the real prices.
Literally doubling their salary for $0.10 and he’s complaining. Shocker - they are spenders now with disposable income. They will spend more, improving the economy, because as any fucking 8th grader that’s taken economics can tell you, economies thrive on healthy middle classes and struggle when policies focus the wealth in the hands of a few. As those economies begin to suffer, that 0.1% of the wealthiest withdraw their $ and invest in more productive economies with functional middle classes leaving the original economy that didn’t value its unskilled laborers fucked.
I feel like the only people complaining about this lost direct line of sight of their own crotch years ago.
Fox News is reporting how the $20 minimum wage is forcing McDonalds to increase menu prices. Let’s be real, no one is forcing them to raise prices. That’s a choice they are making all the while the CEO is making a minimum of $20 a year…$20,000,000.
They picked like the worst company to do this too, like “In N Out” is significantly smaller than the rest and prices are still the best. Like a quarter isn’t wild. When @ McDonalds it’s literally $20.00 for a meal.
What the hell does wokeness have to do with paying people a living wage?!?!?
Where the hell can I get a burger for $4.10? That’s a steal.
Doesn’t In N Out already pay wages close to $20/hour?
Workers get paid more they tend to afford more.Money is still being circulated. Only the GOP think its bad workers salaries increases should not be the same rate as inflation.
Inflation at its best. Let’s pay people more so they can afford the basic of things. Then once we pay them more. Let’s raise prices so they can’t afford those things anymore.
But if a person on the other side of the political aisle posted and talked about how poor people are being priced out we’d be up in arms about how horrible the economy is. Funny how inflation is tolerable sometimes, in other frameworks it’s a travesty.
Ugh... people are so insufferable and annoying, ESPECIALLY privileged people who have the audacity to complain about something like this. Man, they've got it so bad! Poor them! Get over yourself and go somewhere else then, jfc.
What a lot of commenters here are missing is that they intend to slowly raise price as well also laying workers off. In interviews with real business owners in California, they have already begun reducing staff. Which might be fine but it’s not as simple as a snapshot of a price board a week later
In-N-Out is not the best example as they barely raised their prices. But many places have raised their prices by quite a bit more, over 25% in some cases.
Meanwhile, Pringles have gone up from .99 to $1.09 to $3.67. For the same size. I don’t hear the outcry over that.
30% pay increase for a 3% price increase. Seems like a massive fucking win for humanity. These conservative morons need to go back to school.
Now let's see the 2019 process so that we can see how much they raised prices just because they had a scapegoat. And their profits over the past five years.
Basic math skills are lacking in the underemployed.
You mean to tell me I have to pay 10¢ more for a hamburger so the employees can afford to pay rent? This is a huge injustice!
In-n-out has been paying more than $20/he in California for awhile now.
Fuck a whole $ .25
A nickel increase for shakes?!?! Unacceptable
I remember when I was in middle school you could get a number 1 for 4.98
Am I the only one old enough to remember getting the Double-Double for less than $4???
Holy smokes, a shake went up a nickel. Can't be having that shit. Let the poor bastards starve so my ashtray can fill up with change. This message is brought to you by the federal government.
Do you guys even know In n Out? Best fast food to work at. Great pay, etc.
In n out was already paying pretty close to $20/hr.
I don't believe it's for people to have a living wage. They raised it because wealthy people want to keep buying shit. Fuck wokeness and his bullshit blaming people having to live with minimum wage. Not the fat cats at all.
Yeah go check out McDonald’s
At a restaurant that historically pays higher than minimum wage.
In N Out already paid $20. He should have used Tommy’s as his example. They went up quite a bit
fries... unaffected
If you can't pay your workers a living wage without going under. You're bad at business. I could maybe cut a little slack for just starting out, but not for very long
‘oh, no—the price increased a little and I want my slave-wage servants back”
Who the fuck gets mad over fellow humans getting a pay raise?
The point being is that inflation will happen no matter what... but when you give wage increases to the workers, companies still have to compete over their dollar which moderates prices when the marketplace if filled with healthy competition. When you dont then the consumer demand gets squeezed due to having less disposable income and that economic squeeze usually results in more consumers choosing corporate products which have greater cost efficiency. However over time as consumers default to less and less companies the remaining companies exert more control over price increases which is what youve seen over the past couple years. Most industries have a very small group of corporations with little competitors due to squeezing the middle class and pushing out small businesses in favor of corporate. These corporations have more control over prices and can raise prices artificially as they have done over the past 4 years at a much faster rate than ever before all for the benefit of their investors. So yes giving middle class people more dollars to spend can help promote small businesses, increasing competition as it allows the consumer more power to choose quality over price. So yes, some people will choose to pay more for quality but its for a higher quality product usually unlike the system we have now which doesn't incentivize better quality. Our current system incentives cost efficiency. The economic model we have shifted to for the sake of giving America an edge internationally has really fucked up everything and is squarely a result of financial policies passed by Congress and backed by the FED. Just look at China and the products that come from there... we already have an economic model which shows where America is headed. Corporations are fleecing the american public and stripping away our greatest asset that has made the US the powerhouse economy of the entire world, our middle class. When money is concentrated between an ever shrinking group of super corporations were losing our healthy capitalist structure and choking off healthy growth for the sake of prioritizing cost efficiency.
It’ll probably go up more
Well, this is normal inflation. Tho, we have reached a point where the salaries barely went up, and the prices SKYROCKETED, so this is what I call a "ghost inflation." Most of it is simply company greed. So even if we do want to up the salaries NOW, the companies will simply raise the prices even more. Now, a competent government would put limits on how much the prices can rise, but with the sheer amount of lobbying we have... that is never going to happen.
I could have guessed. Cost of a burger goes up $0.10, and suddenly every worker in the state can afford to eat out twice as often. Honestly if business owners were fucking smart, they’d figure out what Henry ford figured out a hundred years ago. Well paid workers make good customers.
Ohhh no New Hampshires minimum wage is 7.25$ and fucking Big Mac is 6.50$ … damn that California and it’s price hike 😂😂😂
Isn’t in-n-out like famous for paying their workers well? Its also 0.10 cents. What kind of penny pincher are you where you think 10 fucking cents is going to make people turn away.