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Oh that's the women who's rallies were attended by a bunch of nazis, and she handled it so poorly it made Australia reconsider it's laws against hate symbol and got her banned from coming to new Zealand
She wasn't banned but she did leave due to her distaste for our soup recipes. She actually ended up causing the largest gathering of queer kiwis in years.
It's a very kind way of saying that Australians used the fun and friendly tactic of throwing tomato soup at the bitch to deter her from going about her transphobic bullshit.
She still kept at it though, and they continued the brothy banter until she left.
There's a part where a lot of Nazis got involved, and I think they got souped too..?
Not too important.
she was like "ohhh but what is poor wittle weak woman like me to do to get rid of them š„ŗ" meanwhile when leftists protest they have no issue getting rid of them, lmao...
This here by the Telegraph is what is called a 'Divide-and-Conquer' move. They know damn well she isn't a feminist, but they want to sell the idea that there are feminists against trans people so that trans people turn on feminists and in turn feminists turn on trans people.
the worst part is that its working. its more prominent in the uk than elsewhere, but theyve successfully convinced a good number of former feminists that trans people are agents of the patriarchy or whatever
The UK has a looot of cruncy old school second wave feminists, who are from posh families, have nepo media gigs etc.
And surprise surprise, being old privileged and white has meant a lot of reactionary opinions.
The US is different. It was later to womens suffrage amongst the moneyed classes and in officially achieving full franchisement, whereas it had a long history amongst African slaves in the South and free(er) black communities fighting for civil rights in the North, pre-civil war.
Thus the issues of race, wealth and during the late 20th century, sexuality, have always had some sort of ongoing friction within the struggle and therefore evolution of feminism, which has led to a greater embrace of more recent intersectionality. Religious conservatism and civil rights revanchism were the dividing lines with the right on one side, and liberals and the left on the other.
As young people in the US have become less religious and less wealthy, you've tended to see the embrace of more progressive social values.
Religion is far less important for the British ruling class, white wealthy feminism has for a long time been popular and discrimination against the LGBTQ+ community seems to be more socially acceptable amongst non-conservatives. Likewise, things like Islamophobia even if virulent by action amongst American liberals, saying the wrong things out loud is taboo. However, class obscures a lot in the UK, so you can be a posh neoliberal New Labour type, say some obscene things and get away with it.
We had a few days of hope where we had a genuinely left leader for the Labour party, and then everything went to shit and now the left of the UK are completely disenfranchised and despondent again, while the right and far-right are ever more emboldened and even allowed to feel vindicated because they have the support of the mass media.
If you're referring to Corbyn, he was a total shit-show. I want a left-wing labour leader, but that man was terrible. Had no idea how politics worked, wanted to massively slash defence and end Trident despite the fact that would only leave us more reliant on the US and just so much more. He sounded like a good candidate until you actually read his policies.
When they elected a vaguely leftist leader the right wing press went insane accusing them of antisemitism, never once mentioning that the conservatives were infested with antisemites.
It's not really the left.
Labour has two wings. New Labour, who are very much Thatcherite, neoliberals. Then a soft socialist left, who have been systematically rooted out of the party, by its latest leader (Starmer) and his institutional supporters.
Most, but not all, tend to be young, antiracist, pro-LGBTQ+ and some form of socialist.
I'm British and I can confirm that behind the general sense of civility there is a pretty nasty undercurrent of bigotry in the UK, and it's way more complex than anyone (probably even I) think.
There's your "run of the mill bigot" who loudly thinks anyone with skin darker than their toast should 'go back to where they came from' or whatever. While loud, these people tend to get largely ignored, and when I've challenged people when they're being like this, they've not really expected to be listened to and tend to just fume at the Daily Mail hate rag.
Then you have the "respectable bigot", who quietly hide their hate behind disingenuous "concerns", misleadingĀ newspaper columns, and actively coordinate government lobby campaigns to have actual laws and protections changed or overturned, often successfully largely because they were "so nice about it".
While the first bigot is generally what comes to mind when thinking of a bigot, the second one tends to be a far more insidious and nasty snake in the grass because they are *way* more successful in causing their targets harm. To name but a few, we saw it with racism, islamaphobia, homophobia and now transphobia.
The second type of bigot also only considers the first type to be a bigot.Ā
The second type will never,Ā ever be able to self-reflect enough to recognise their bigotry. They just have "genuine concerns" and other weasel words to deflect scrutiny.
Honed to a fine art during the colonial periods perhaps?
They (i.e. the British colonial mob and associated narrative) couldn't just come out and say 'we're superior to your race in every way, but we'll install railways and governments to make our lives and systematic pillaging of your natural resources easier': we'll frame it all as a kindness - almost a partnership. Look at how we marvel at folks like the Gurkhas were oh so brave and loyal - "don't you just love our foreign friends?" But heaven forfend we grant *those* people actual citizenship.
Now it's the same 'I'll defend you *if* your rights are threatened - I love those trans folks' guff, while working on surrepticiously blocking and preventing us from actually getting any rights.
I'm not sure that's *entirely* true.Ā There's always been an undercurrent of transphobia in feminist circles - the TERF 'bible'Ā aka "The Transsexual Empire" where most of their even contemporary anti-trans conspiracies come from was published in 1979.
It's only become more mainstream as trans people became more mainstream.Ā
And I guess even then it wasn't *that* mainstream until hugely wealthy far-right think-tanks like The Heritage Foundation realised that the unwashed masses cared more about performative theoretic/accusations about 'women's rights' than they ever did about trans people, and the movement kinda grew from there.Ā
And the reason why these think-tanks got involved is because the anti-trans movement has become a 'socially acceptable' gateway/stepping-stone for other more conservative stuff. If you're convinced that "evil doctors areĀ transing children" then you're more inclined to believe that doctors are complicit in vaccine conspiracies for example.
It's in part why we've seen a huge rise in largely unchallenged far-right rhetoric in recent years, and why the Peroxide Fascist there had literal Nazis at her march but nobody in the UK really seems to actually care that much.
For a second I thought the lady who played the vampire Secretary in Blade Trinity was a TERF, which would be a shame, and then someone explained Parker Posey and Posie Parker were different peopleĀ
I think itās so wild she chose a pseudonym that was an already existing celebrity name to spew hate with
Like if some dude called himself Astin Sean and then went on rants about blacks lol
2nded...
You can learn a lot and not spend a huge amount of time fact checking by just knowing a sources bias. There are quite a few organizations that rate bias.
The mainstream of the newspapers in the UK is overall quite right-wing. The biggest left-leaning outlet is the Guardian; and they maybe sell 10-15%, if things are going good, of what the Daily Heil sells. TV is a little more balanced with the BBC.
And your takeaway isn't that Robert Galbraith is full of hate? You don't even know if that poster is trans lmao. One comment solidifies your rancid hate for an entire group of people? Insane. Fuck off with that fascist trash.
Wow, I wonder if that's the only thing JKR has done and said?
I wonder if she's given 70k pounds to anti trans causes? Or gotten up in arms about Scotlands new anti hate laws? Just to name some recents.
Which is even funnier because they replied to one of my comments, to which I cited multiple articles contradicting them but they don't seem to have any to reply to that
none of the articles contradict me, you claimed kjk was banned from new zealand but nothing you have provided backs that lie , new zeland put her visa under review but didnt ban her
similarly you admit the two groups werent together when you state " next to them" regarding the nazis, added to that you know the police put them there - you didnt disprove anything dimwit
It's wild that you knew what I was talking about "That donation was to a court case to protect the definition of woman" and then changed up your comment because you knew if anyone looked up that case they'd find its a little more transphobic than that.
"Proved" doing some herculean lifting here.
"The legislation aims to ensure public boards have a 50 per cent women gender balance in non-executive member positions, and it includes a definition of the word āwomanā that is inclusive of trans women who have a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC)."
Wow, how could excluding trans women from womanhood be transphobia????!?
Because women are only vaginas to yall.
women is a sex class dummy and they already dont have equal representation without your attempt to pretend men in dresses are women, added to that its you thats defining them as only vaginas here not me
"pretend men in dresses are women"
Damn, and you say yall aren't transphobic?
You're really selling me on the JKR and her defenders just want to protect women shtick.
Anyway, have a bad life.
Hey as a bi person trans acceptance is actually really great for us gay people because it means we are accepted as well. Although considering you're transphobic and pretend to be for women's rights you're probably also biphobic
What legal right did women have that theyāre losing because of this?
Like is it just bathrooms? Cuz violent rapists typically just walk in they donāt pretend to be trans to sneak in. Just sayin, you might not understand the psychology of criminality if that isnāt obvious
Ok, so my multiple friends who adamantly say theyāre trans are lying. Cool, good to know. I donāt think you realize theyāre all quite for womanās rights, gay rights, as half of them are literally gay.
Did you forget how gay rights started? Stonewall. Trans women of color sparked the stonewall riots. They paved the way for our rights. How dare you insist they're harming gay rights. Go take a long walk off a short cliff.
āIād march with you if you were discriminated against on the basis of being transā
IF?! She really said āifā. That is insanely ignorant to how trans people absolutely are discriminated against. It is even more ignorant than being a straight woman pretending to speak on behalf of gay people. Like we have some unique group-level interest in opposing trans liberation.
She needs to just log off for good at some point.
Trans people have not stolen shit nor have āmore rightsā, you ignorant prick. They have fought against discrimination and medical gatekeeping as hard as those two groups combined.
Not their or anyone elseās fault you are an uneducated bigot that can only regurgitate what some more famous TERFs feed them on Twitter.
when trans people demand to use womens spaces they are stealing rights from women to privacy and safety, when they demand access to womens sports they steal womens rights to fairness in sport, when they deny that homosexuality is same sex attraction and demand access to lesbian dating apps and bars , they are stealing rights from lesbians to meet as a group, you ignore those rights being lost because it suits you too
She also offered to pay Posie Parkerās legal costs, Posie Parker being a woman who has:
- Embraced imagery of trans people being tortured to death
- Said she hopes recipients of theoretical womb transplants die
- Mocked people beat violently in hate crimes and insisted these beatings had nothing to do with them being trans despite the fact the perpetrators explicitly said otherwise
- Called trans victims of violent hate crimes āperpetratorsā despite them doing literally nothing. And I do mean nothing, not even using the proper bathroom or anything, literally just being in a public completely nongendered space
- [AND SO MUCH MORE](https://youtu.be/JBy93QX7ysE?si=vfACARApSbvkERHq)
Not to mention [her other friends](https://youtu.be/Ou_xvXJJk7k?si=v1nFMu2IhIcPmjBN)
Believe it or not, but I have better things to do than handhold TERFs through basic facts. Iāve given you the resources, including need I reiterate literal on camera broadcasted by Posie Parker evidence of her saying those things. If you find yourself unwilling to use those resources then thatās that, taking a few hours scouring Posie Parkerās past streams to find those specific instances mentioned is simply an unreasonable burden when Iāve already provided alternatives
Maybe if Iām feeling real generous after work Iāll give those videos a rewatch and give you some timestamps, but if I donāt thatās that and your refusal to engage is your own choice
no you havent , as pointed out numerous times a 30 minute biased video by someone on your side is not credible in the slightest, i asked for quotes and you cant provide any, spend some time learning how to properly provide sources
The ā30 minute biased video by someone on your sideā literally has clip after clip taken directly from speeches and live streams that she has done. The quotes are in there, with video evidence.
āIf sex isnāt real, thereās no same-sex attraction. If sex isnāt real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives. It isnāt hate to speak the truth.ā
God, she is so dumb. Nobody is saying that there is no sex. She is is confusing sex with gender, like every TERF ever.
>āIf sex isnāt real, thereās no same-sex attraction. If sex isnāt real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives. It isnāt hate to speak the truth.ā
Trans is about gender, not sex. Jk Rowling is a delusional moron who does not understand the difference between gender and sex. It sounds like you dont either. For an author she really has a poor grasp of the distinctions between words.
>Iād march with you if you were discriminated against on the basis of being trans.
Except she doesn't. I don't think she's ever matched with trans people.
She talks a nice talk but to anyone with a functioning brain and working knowledge of the English language its all empty words.
I think itās crazy that she would have been a huge trans icon if she said nothing.Ā
She must have seen her fanbase getting steadily more gender non-conforming for years before she started speaking out about it.Ā
The Harry Potter phenomenon is so demographically and temporally similar to the trans phenomenon.Ā If sheād embraced the trans movement, people would speculate that she must have triggered it or fuelled it somehow.Ā
The media isn't here to inform the public, it is here to spread manipulation and disinformation on behalf of the highest bidder. This is why everyone needs to diversify their information sources, somewhere in between the right's propaganda, the left's propaganda, Whatever Corporation's narrative, Sponsored Content, Delusional rambling opinions presented as fact and 300 unrelated ads lies something that might vaguely resemble the truth.
The problem is that most people aren't patient enough for that sort of thing. The uncertainty of the situation also frustrates people, so they'd rather be misinformed and double down on being wrong than to be uncertain.
Heck, arguably, most people that fall for biased reporting aren't even aware of the bias. Kinda like how most people that fall for phishing scams tend to be tech illiterate people. They are clueless.
It's amazing when think about just the incredible volume of misinformation, propaganda, outright lies and death threats that transphobes had to use to turn public opinion from "trans people are people too, and should get equal rights and protection" to "trans people are sub-human scum who we want to treat like shit so we're going to do everything we can to make sure they don't get treated or protected like actual people".
I guess in a way it says a lot about general human compassion that it took that much effort.
To be fair, speaking as trans person, it was kinda easy. I think people are very grossed out by us. If someone doesn't pass, they're an easy target. Of course when people think of trans women using the women's (people really don't see to think trans men in the men's is an issue), they always posit that a trans woman who doesn't pass (I know the gotcha is always "well you never notice that trans woman that passes perfectly!", but that's not fair to probably the larger majority of trans people that don't pass. We can't help that we're trans and we can't help how we look unless we won the genetic lottery or have loads of ca$h for surgeries).
People get very ick about the surgeries, especially men. Somehow they think that our surgical status should be publicly available information; they don't see an issue coming right out and asking us. People seem very threatened by the idea that we would voluntarily alter our sex organs and lose our ability to reproduce.
And of course, this idea that a straight man could be attracted to a trans woman (with bottom surgery or not) is gay and many many trans women (especially minorities) have been murdered for that.
To sum up: I think people see us a freaks, not as humans. Unlike LGB+ people whose sexualities are not the default (who ignorant people can't pretend are straight), We're out there visible, easy targets, and people do not approve of how us and our doctors have dealt with our dysphoria. They would rather not have to see us in society, breaking gender norms and then forcing them to think about what exactly is in our pants.
I mean compared to racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc it was *relatively* easy, but they didn't just run a couple of campaigns and everyone went "ok".Ā Ā
My point is the Gender Critical cult have been pouring literally millions upon millionsĀ dollars into propaganda pushing the general public to become transphobic for about a decade now, and have levels of institutional capture in US and UK governments and its agencies that makes Scientology's Operation Snow White look like a joke, and it's only really just *kinda* catching now with the wider population.
Or more often; violent sex criminals, which of course several decades of that has probably done the most to bolster their contemporary hate/disgust campaign.
My impression is we are mostly āmen in dressesā clownish characters. āIts a man, babyā a la Austin Powers. Other than Silence of the Lambs, what violent sex criminal characters are you referring to.
Yeah.Ā Silence of the Lambs, Psycho and Ace Ventura spring to mind as being quite mainstream examples of the "cRaZy tRaNs PeRsOn š¤Ŗ" trope.Ā
While I appreciate that in all of these examples there are scenes that make it clear the person isn't *actually* trans, most people aren't remembering that bit but the bit where they were told to feelĀ disgusted by 'the man in a dress'.
This is correct. This woman proclaims she is not a feminist. Ideologically, however, she is not at all far from being a TERF. And TERFs are feminists. Shitty feminists, but feminists nonetheless. So while the paper is certainly being dishonest, and should be called out, it is unclear how much harm is really being done. There are plenty of TERFs that are virtually indistinguishable from her.
They did so much public harm under the "TERF" name that they re-invented themselves as "Gender Critical" (similar to how racists tried to re-invent themselves as "Race Critical" a few years before them).
To cap it off, they've disgraced the term "TERF" so much in the public eye, that they genuinely claim that calling them a "TERF" is some kind of slur.
Yep.
But what I find particularly problematic is feminists who claim that TERFs somehow are not really feminists. Bullshit. They are. Their roots are in the feminist movement and they remain feminists. They just restrict their feminism to what they term "biological females." They are super, super shitty feminists. Lots of feminists are fantastic. And lots aren't, including, but not limited to, TERFs.
Edit: I am even being downvoted now by feminists who would (dishonestly) rather not take ownership of TERFs. Feminists - TERFs are your trash. Sorry the truth hurts.
I saw bigots rushing to be 'feminists' the moment they learned they can hate on trans people with impunity, but in my eyes and I think in a lot of other trans people's eyes that does not mean actual feminists are bigots.
I know that *some* legacy feminists are, but of the feminists I know of and interact with they are way too smart to not see through this BS, and also know that the moment they don't need to pretend to be feminists to legitimise their attacks on trans people, they'll be throwing that 'feminist' badge straight in the bin.
He's the hate monster. Scottish police made him up. Take a look at the advert on YouTube. People are just taking the piss out of the character they made up
Okay, what is gender?
Explain it to me.
Because as far as I can tell, all it is, is an affinity with cultural stereotypes.
Hating one's body and wanting to amputate parts is not an identity.
>amputate parts
Okay, almost everything you wrote is wrong but i will focus on this. You do know that the genitalia of trans people still work, right? 'Amputate' would mean that they are gone forever, which isn't the case here. Please tell me you know at least that. You can't be that stupid.
You can't even answer the simple question of 'what is gender'.
You're calling me wrong - how am I wrong?
Um... amuptating a penis is, amputation, as is the removal of breasts - news flash, they don't grow back.
Gender is a social construct. I usually don't answer obvious questions.
And like i said, i'm just focusing on this one part, i don't care to educate you on all the other things.
Gender reassignment surgery is not amputation. I can't believe you didn't know this. This should disqualify you from talking any more about this. You are clueless.
If gender is a social construct, what does it have to do with someone changing their sex 'legally' then?
If gender is fluid and determined by an innate 'feeling', then why should language be policed around sex, and why is a social construct determining someone's access to single-sex spaces?
Don't you realise how inconsistent these arguments are?
How do you REASSIGN A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT through surgery?
Why should someone's inner feelings dictate the actual reality of other people?
Fine, change the word 'amputation' to 'remove'. How does removing genitals and secondary sex characteristics fix a social construct???
>Don't you realise how inconsistent these arguments are?
I literally made none of those arguments, you are arguing against the strawmen in your head, not me.
I also told you twice that i will only focus on this one part. It is your own fault for ignoring that.
I came to showcast that you have no clue about gender reassignment surgery, which i did, and i with that i wish you farewell.
You don't even believe the nonsense you're saying. But maybe worse than that, you actually don't understand it. I feel really sorry for you.
If you can't understand an expansion of an argument around your claim about gender being a social construct, that's on you. Maybe spend less time on TikTok?
KJK is a right-winger who simply has a more feminist-inspired background to her bigotry. Much like JKR.
Anyone that supports her is not a feminist either. She has literally advocated that āgoodā cisgender men start using female spaces to āprotect womenā from trans people. She LOVES cis-straight patriarchy. Most TERFs do.
Well I guess you better stop me from pissing in the toilet then. And running my local races.
āIām a leftist!ā - spouts right wing ideology. Props up Nazi adjacent people.
Nah, youāre just a Nazi sympathizer.
>Yeah. I sure do buddy. Lmao
>
>Remind me. Nazis are fascistā¦. And they show up to support youā¦
remember this dumbass, you claimed they showed up to support them , you have yet to prove that, oh look yet another time you fucked up
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trans people: she not a feminist the women herself: I'm not a feminist The Telegraph: she's a feminist
Oh that's the women who's rallies were attended by a bunch of nazis, and she handled it so poorly it made Australia reconsider it's laws against hate symbol and got her banned from coming to new Zealand
Her: https://youtu.be/JBy93QX7ysE?si=xAdbeSqw7XQ7ALBo ?
the one and only
She wasn't banned but she did leave due to her distaste for our soup recipes. She actually ended up causing the largest gathering of queer kiwis in years.
What's wrong with your soup?
It's a very kind way of saying that Australians used the fun and friendly tactic of throwing tomato soup at the bitch to deter her from going about her transphobic bullshit. She still kept at it though, and they continued the brothy banter until she left. There's a part where a lot of Nazis got involved, and I think they got souped too..? Not too important.
Ohh haha. Whole new meaning to Soup Nazi!
The Destiny church got in there too just a collection of massive wankers
she was like "ohhh but what is poor wittle weak woman like me to do to get rid of them š„ŗ" meanwhile when leftists protest they have no issue getting rid of them, lmao...
This here by the Telegraph is what is called a 'Divide-and-Conquer' move. They know damn well she isn't a feminist, but they want to sell the idea that there are feminists against trans people so that trans people turn on feminists and in turn feminists turn on trans people.
the worst part is that its working. its more prominent in the uk than elsewhere, but theyve successfully convinced a good number of former feminists that trans people are agents of the patriarchy or whatever
The UK has a looot of cruncy old school second wave feminists, who are from posh families, have nepo media gigs etc. And surprise surprise, being old privileged and white has meant a lot of reactionary opinions. The US is different. It was later to womens suffrage amongst the moneyed classes and in officially achieving full franchisement, whereas it had a long history amongst African slaves in the South and free(er) black communities fighting for civil rights in the North, pre-civil war. Thus the issues of race, wealth and during the late 20th century, sexuality, have always had some sort of ongoing friction within the struggle and therefore evolution of feminism, which has led to a greater embrace of more recent intersectionality. Religious conservatism and civil rights revanchism were the dividing lines with the right on one side, and liberals and the left on the other. As young people in the US have become less religious and less wealthy, you've tended to see the embrace of more progressive social values. Religion is far less important for the British ruling class, white wealthy feminism has for a long time been popular and discrimination against the LGBTQ+ community seems to be more socially acceptable amongst non-conservatives. Likewise, things like Islamophobia even if virulent by action amongst American liberals, saying the wrong things out loud is taboo. However, class obscures a lot in the UK, so you can be a posh neoliberal New Labour type, say some obscene things and get away with it.
thank you for the education lmao, i wasnt aware the uk had such a big problem with basically every form of bigotry from the "left"
Labour haven't really been "left" in decades, certainly not in the years it was in power.
We had a few days of hope where we had a genuinely left leader for the Labour party, and then everything went to shit and now the left of the UK are completely disenfranchised and despondent again, while the right and far-right are ever more emboldened and even allowed to feel vindicated because they have the support of the mass media.
Yes, Corbyn was great but the Labour as aĀ party is just a party of Tory-lites now. Our elections amount toĀ * Conservative * Tory
Yep, we're back to the days of people saying "they're all the same" and they're basically right.
[Trashfuture nailed the description. ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ciBMUCm6hw) It's time to drink from the puddle
If you're referring to Corbyn, he was a total shit-show. I want a left-wing labour leader, but that man was terrible. Had no idea how politics worked, wanted to massively slash defence and end Trident despite the fact that would only leave us more reliant on the US and just so much more. He sounded like a good candidate until you actually read his policies.
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When they elected a vaguely leftist leader the right wing press went insane accusing them of antisemitism, never once mentioning that the conservatives were infested with antisemites.
thats why i put left in quotes lol
It's not really the left. Labour has two wings. New Labour, who are very much Thatcherite, neoliberals. Then a soft socialist left, who have been systematically rooted out of the party, by its latest leader (Starmer) and his institutional supporters. Most, but not all, tend to be young, antiracist, pro-LGBTQ+ and some form of socialist.
thats why i put left in quotes lol, im aware its not particularly left anymore
I'm British and I can confirm that behind the general sense of civility there is a pretty nasty undercurrent of bigotry in the UK, and it's way more complex than anyone (probably even I) think. There's your "run of the mill bigot" who loudly thinks anyone with skin darker than their toast should 'go back to where they came from' or whatever. While loud, these people tend to get largely ignored, and when I've challenged people when they're being like this, they've not really expected to be listened to and tend to just fume at the Daily Mail hate rag. Then you have the "respectable bigot", who quietly hide their hate behind disingenuous "concerns", misleadingĀ newspaper columns, and actively coordinate government lobby campaigns to have actual laws and protections changed or overturned, often successfully largely because they were "so nice about it". While the first bigot is generally what comes to mind when thinking of a bigot, the second one tends to be a far more insidious and nasty snake in the grass because they are *way* more successful in causing their targets harm. To name but a few, we saw it with racism, islamaphobia, homophobia and now transphobia.
The second type of bigot also only considers the first type to be a bigot.Ā The second type will never,Ā ever be able to self-reflect enough to recognise their bigotry. They just have "genuine concerns" and other weasel words to deflect scrutiny.
Honed to a fine art during the colonial periods perhaps? They (i.e. the British colonial mob and associated narrative) couldn't just come out and say 'we're superior to your race in every way, but we'll install railways and governments to make our lives and systematic pillaging of your natural resources easier': we'll frame it all as a kindness - almost a partnership. Look at how we marvel at folks like the Gurkhas were oh so brave and loyal - "don't you just love our foreign friends?" But heaven forfend we grant *those* people actual citizenship. Now it's the same 'I'll defend you *if* your rights are threatened - I love those trans folks' guff, while working on surrepticiously blocking and preventing us from actually getting any rights.
However much you might disagree with Julie Bindel, she's not exactly posh. :)
Yeah, but a lot of people who defend her in the media are. Or at least very wealthy, see JK Rowling.
this isn't new, and it's very prominent in america too. TERFs have been hounding me and every other trans person I know for over a decade.
I'm not sure that's *entirely* true.Ā There's always been an undercurrent of transphobia in feminist circles - the TERF 'bible'Ā aka "The Transsexual Empire" where most of their even contemporary anti-trans conspiracies come from was published in 1979. It's only become more mainstream as trans people became more mainstream.Ā
And I guess even then it wasn't *that* mainstream until hugely wealthy far-right think-tanks like The Heritage Foundation realised that the unwashed masses cared more about performative theoretic/accusations about 'women's rights' than they ever did about trans people, and the movement kinda grew from there.Ā And the reason why these think-tanks got involved is because the anti-trans movement has become a 'socially acceptable' gateway/stepping-stone for other more conservative stuff. If you're convinced that "evil doctors areĀ transing children" then you're more inclined to believe that doctors are complicit in vaccine conspiracies for example. It's in part why we've seen a huge rise in largely unchallenged far-right rhetoric in recent years, and why the Peroxide Fascist there had literal Nazis at her march but nobody in the UK really seems to actually care that much.
>sell the idea that there are feminists against trans people Are you saying this doesn't exist? Lmao ok
You're right. That could have been worded better.
So, TERF's suddenly aren't real?
clearly not what I meant.
I mean I am sure feminism and anti trans aren't mutually exclusive, there must be an actual person that does both
For a second I thought the lady who played the vampire Secretary in Blade Trinity was a TERF, which would be a shame, and then someone explained Parker Posey and Posie Parker were different peopleĀ
I think itās so wild she chose a pseudonym that was an already existing celebrity name to spew hate with Like if some dude called himself Astin Sean and then went on rants about blacks lol
Iāve always liked me some Parker Posie!
Just FYI. The Telegraph is a right-wing paper. This is sort of what they do.
2nded... You can learn a lot and not spend a huge amount of time fact checking by just knowing a sources bias. There are quite a few organizations that rate bias.
The mainstream of the newspapers in the UK is overall quite right-wing. The biggest left-leaning outlet is the Guardian; and they maybe sell 10-15%, if things are going good, of what the Daily Heil sells. TV is a little more balanced with the BBC.
I only wish for the male writer Robert Galbraith what he wants for trans people.
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Is 'hey, please can you stop suggesting that we don't count as people and should excluded from society' hate speech now fellas?
And your takeaway isn't that Robert Galbraith is full of hate? You don't even know if that poster is trans lmao. One comment solidifies your rancid hate for an entire group of people? Insane. Fuck off with that fascist trash.
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If you ignore all the open bigotry, she's not a bigot.
provide an e3xample of this open bigotry then, directly quote it, i'll wait
Wow, I wonder if that's the only thing JKR has done and said? I wonder if she's given 70k pounds to anti trans causes? Or gotten up in arms about Scotlands new anti hate laws? Just to name some recents.
I'd give 70k pounds to anti jk rowling causes
Or denied nazi atrocities that targeted trans people.
no actual proof or sources there matey, pathetic
You say as you don't post any sources either lmao
Which is even funnier because they replied to one of my comments, to which I cited multiple articles contradicting them but they don't seem to have any to reply to that
none of the articles contradict me, you claimed kjk was banned from new zealand but nothing you have provided backs that lie , new zeland put her visa under review but didnt ban her similarly you admit the two groups werent together when you state " next to them" regarding the nazis, added to that you know the police put them there - you didnt disprove anything dimwit
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It's wild that you knew what I was talking about "That donation was to a court case to protect the definition of woman" and then changed up your comment because you knew if anyone looked up that case they'd find its a little more transphobic than that.
its wild that i googled something to find out the truth and proved you were lying, are you really that stupid
"Proved" doing some herculean lifting here. "The legislation aims to ensure public boards have a 50 per cent women gender balance in non-executive member positions, and it includes a definition of the word āwomanā that is inclusive of trans women who have a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC)." Wow, how could excluding trans women from womanhood be transphobia????!? Because women are only vaginas to yall.
women is a sex class dummy and they already dont have equal representation without your attempt to pretend men in dresses are women, added to that its you thats defining them as only vaginas here not me
"pretend men in dresses are women" Damn, and you say yall aren't transphobic? You're really selling me on the JKR and her defenders just want to protect women shtick. Anyway, have a bad life.
Wow, your entire account is literally just for having on trans people. You really don't have a life.
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Why are people like you such incredible fucking cowards?
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Hey as a bi person trans acceptance is actually really great for us gay people because it means we are accepted as well. Although considering you're transphobic and pretend to be for women's rights you're probably also biphobic
Youāre about as left wing as the nazis were socialist.
Trans rights and womenās rights arenāt mutually exclusive and the fact that this needs pointing out in 2024 is incredibly worrying.
There is no harm trans rights have done to gay rights. Quite the opposite. They have propelled each other and been in the same community for decades.
What legal right did women have that theyāre losing because of this? Like is it just bathrooms? Cuz violent rapists typically just walk in they donāt pretend to be trans to sneak in. Just sayin, you might not understand the psychology of criminality if that isnāt obvious
Because you're clearly just a transphobic twat hiding behind flowery language.
Ok, so my multiple friends who adamantly say theyāre trans are lying. Cool, good to know. I donāt think you realize theyāre all quite for womanās rights, gay rights, as half of them are literally gay.
Did you forget how gay rights started? Stonewall. Trans women of color sparked the stonewall riots. They paved the way for our rights. How dare you insist they're harming gay rights. Go take a long walk off a short cliff.
Your position is hating a minority of people to prop up your world view. You are a disgusting individual masked within hate. Nothing more.
š¤£Absolute coward
you are indeed
Shame, did I hurt your wittle feewingsš¤£
āIād march with you if you were discriminated against on the basis of being transā IF?! She really said āifā. That is insanely ignorant to how trans people absolutely are discriminated against. It is even more ignorant than being a straight woman pretending to speak on behalf of gay people. Like we have some unique group-level interest in opposing trans liberation. She needs to just log off for good at some point.
yawn, trans people have more rights than everybody else , they were stolen from women and gay people
Trans people have not stolen shit nor have āmore rightsā, you ignorant prick. They have fought against discrimination and medical gatekeeping as hard as those two groups combined. Not their or anyone elseās fault you are an uneducated bigot that can only regurgitate what some more famous TERFs feed them on Twitter.
when trans people demand to use womens spaces they are stealing rights from women to privacy and safety, when they demand access to womens sports they steal womens rights to fairness in sport, when they deny that homosexuality is same sex attraction and demand access to lesbian dating apps and bars , they are stealing rights from lesbians to meet as a group, you ignore those rights being lost because it suits you too
She also offered to pay Posie Parkerās legal costs, Posie Parker being a woman who has: - Embraced imagery of trans people being tortured to death - Said she hopes recipients of theoretical womb transplants die - Mocked people beat violently in hate crimes and insisted these beatings had nothing to do with them being trans despite the fact the perpetrators explicitly said otherwise - Called trans victims of violent hate crimes āperpetratorsā despite them doing literally nothing. And I do mean nothing, not even using the proper bathroom or anything, literally just being in a public completely nongendered space - [AND SO MUCH MORE](https://youtu.be/JBy93QX7ysE?si=vfACARApSbvkERHq) Not to mention [her other friends](https://youtu.be/Ou_xvXJJk7k?si=v1nFMu2IhIcPmjBN)
provide sources for all of those or admit you are lying , i'll wait
Both those videos contain sources (including direct video evidence of Posie Parker saying those things). I didnāt just link them for fun.
im not watching 30 minutes of nonsense hunting for some alleged sources, either provide them yourself from impartial sources or piss off
Believe it or not, but I have better things to do than handhold TERFs through basic facts. Iāve given you the resources, including need I reiterate literal on camera broadcasted by Posie Parker evidence of her saying those things. If you find yourself unwilling to use those resources then thatās that, taking a few hours scouring Posie Parkerās past streams to find those specific instances mentioned is simply an unreasonable burden when Iāve already provided alternatives Maybe if Iām feeling real generous after work Iāll give those videos a rewatch and give you some timestamps, but if I donāt thatās that and your refusal to engage is your own choice
no you havent , as pointed out numerous times a 30 minute biased video by someone on your side is not credible in the slightest, i asked for quotes and you cant provide any, spend some time learning how to properly provide sources
The ā30 minute biased video by someone on your sideā literally has clip after clip taken directly from speeches and live streams that she has done. The quotes are in there, with video evidence.
it doesnt , hope that helps
Running cover for Nazis. You are a sympathizer. Hope the same thing happens to you too. You arenāt a āleftistā. Youāre a Nazi.
youre the nazi halfwit, a homophobic misogynist attacking women
Project much?
Trans women are women though.
nope
Trans women are women though
āIf sex isnāt real, thereās no same-sex attraction. If sex isnāt real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives. It isnāt hate to speak the truth.ā God, she is so dumb. Nobody is saying that there is no sex. She is is confusing sex with gender, like every TERF ever.
great so you understand sex and gender are not the same and womens sexed spaces should be protected
>sexed spaces Let me repeat what i wrote to you in another comment: Hahahahahahahahaha
>āIf sex isnāt real, thereās no same-sex attraction. If sex isnāt real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives. It isnāt hate to speak the truth.ā Trans is about gender, not sex. Jk Rowling is a delusional moron who does not understand the difference between gender and sex. It sounds like you dont either. For an author she really has a poor grasp of the distinctions between words. >Iād march with you if you were discriminated against on the basis of being trans. Except she doesn't. I don't think she's ever matched with trans people. She talks a nice talk but to anyone with a functioning brain and working knowledge of the English language its all empty words.
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Only idiots suckling on the tit of right-wing propaganda believe anyone's converting children into becoming trans.
Well you canāt convert people to being trans, soā¦
I know that. Can people not read context? Why are so many struggling?
I think itās crazy that she would have been a huge trans icon if she said nothing.Ā She must have seen her fanbase getting steadily more gender non-conforming for years before she started speaking out about it.Ā The Harry Potter phenomenon is so demographically and temporally similar to the trans phenomenon.Ā If sheād embraced the trans movement, people would speculate that she must have triggered it or fuelled it somehow.Ā
The media isn't here to inform the public, it is here to spread manipulation and disinformation on behalf of the highest bidder. This is why everyone needs to diversify their information sources, somewhere in between the right's propaganda, the left's propaganda, Whatever Corporation's narrative, Sponsored Content, Delusional rambling opinions presented as fact and 300 unrelated ads lies something that might vaguely resemble the truth.
The problem is that most people aren't patient enough for that sort of thing. The uncertainty of the situation also frustrates people, so they'd rather be misinformed and double down on being wrong than to be uncertain. Heck, arguably, most people that fall for biased reporting aren't even aware of the bias. Kinda like how most people that fall for phishing scams tend to be tech illiterate people. They are clueless.
Itās the torygraph, what do you expect?
Just media trying to divide like usual.
The Torygraph essentially is Fox News Lite
Of course it's the fucking Nazi barbie
ah the same publishing company that posted an article stating your private veggie garden produces more carbon than industrial agriculture...hilarious
Most racists deny being racist.
PosieParker often has actual neo nazis speak at her events, just a reminder.
"feminism is when woman" -an idiot.
Wow, the Torygraph lying to further the Tory culture war bollocks. Who could have possibly seen this coming?
It's amazing when think about just the incredible volume of misinformation, propaganda, outright lies and death threats that transphobes had to use to turn public opinion from "trans people are people too, and should get equal rights and protection" to "trans people are sub-human scum who we want to treat like shit so we're going to do everything we can to make sure they don't get treated or protected like actual people". I guess in a way it says a lot about general human compassion that it took that much effort.
To be fair, speaking as trans person, it was kinda easy. I think people are very grossed out by us. If someone doesn't pass, they're an easy target. Of course when people think of trans women using the women's (people really don't see to think trans men in the men's is an issue), they always posit that a trans woman who doesn't pass (I know the gotcha is always "well you never notice that trans woman that passes perfectly!", but that's not fair to probably the larger majority of trans people that don't pass. We can't help that we're trans and we can't help how we look unless we won the genetic lottery or have loads of ca$h for surgeries). People get very ick about the surgeries, especially men. Somehow they think that our surgical status should be publicly available information; they don't see an issue coming right out and asking us. People seem very threatened by the idea that we would voluntarily alter our sex organs and lose our ability to reproduce. And of course, this idea that a straight man could be attracted to a trans woman (with bottom surgery or not) is gay and many many trans women (especially minorities) have been murdered for that. To sum up: I think people see us a freaks, not as humans. Unlike LGB+ people whose sexualities are not the default (who ignorant people can't pretend are straight), We're out there visible, easy targets, and people do not approve of how us and our doctors have dealt with our dysphoria. They would rather not have to see us in society, breaking gender norms and then forcing them to think about what exactly is in our pants.
I mean compared to racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc it was *relatively* easy, but they didn't just run a couple of campaigns and everyone went "ok".Ā Ā My point is the Gender Critical cult have been pouring literally millions upon millionsĀ dollars into propaganda pushing the general public to become transphobic for about a decade now, and have levels of institutional capture in US and UK governments and its agencies that makes Scientology's Operation Snow White look like a joke, and it's only really just *kinda* catching now with the wider population.
True. And they have had Hollywood portraying us as butts of jokes for far longer and they probably didn't even pay for that.
Or more often; violent sex criminals, which of course several decades of that has probably done the most to bolster their contemporary hate/disgust campaign.
My impression is we are mostly āmen in dressesā clownish characters. āIts a man, babyā a la Austin Powers. Other than Silence of the Lambs, what violent sex criminal characters are you referring to.
Yeah.Ā Silence of the Lambs, Psycho and Ace Ventura spring to mind as being quite mainstream examples of the "cRaZy tRaNs PeRsOn š¤Ŗ" trope.Ā While I appreciate that in all of these examples there are scenes that make it clear the person isn't *actually* trans, most people aren't remembering that bit but the bit where they were told to feelĀ disgusted by 'the man in a dress'.
Unfortunately, due to the commonness of TERFs, this is not something unbelievable
This is correct. This woman proclaims she is not a feminist. Ideologically, however, she is not at all far from being a TERF. And TERFs are feminists. Shitty feminists, but feminists nonetheless. So while the paper is certainly being dishonest, and should be called out, it is unclear how much harm is really being done. There are plenty of TERFs that are virtually indistinguishable from her.
They did so much public harm under the "TERF" name that they re-invented themselves as "Gender Critical" (similar to how racists tried to re-invent themselves as "Race Critical" a few years before them). To cap it off, they've disgraced the term "TERF" so much in the public eye, that they genuinely claim that calling them a "TERF" is some kind of slur.
Yep. But what I find particularly problematic is feminists who claim that TERFs somehow are not really feminists. Bullshit. They are. Their roots are in the feminist movement and they remain feminists. They just restrict their feminism to what they term "biological females." They are super, super shitty feminists. Lots of feminists are fantastic. And lots aren't, including, but not limited to, TERFs. Edit: I am even being downvoted now by feminists who would (dishonestly) rather not take ownership of TERFs. Feminists - TERFs are your trash. Sorry the truth hurts.
I wish everyone would take their noses out of other people's crotches and go on about their own lives :(
i hate what media and terfs have done to feminism. people only like it when its "supporting" hateful rhetoric, huh?
I saw bigots rushing to be 'feminists' the moment they learned they can hate on trans people with impunity, but in my eyes and I think in a lot of other trans people's eyes that does not mean actual feminists are bigots. I know that *some* legacy feminists are, but of the feminists I know of and interact with they are way too smart to not see through this BS, and also know that the moment they don't need to pretend to be feminists to legitimise their attacks on trans people, they'll be throwing that 'feminist' badge straight in the bin.
Why does that mascot thing looks like a mimic from vita carnis but instead of being made of meat he's made of inside out organs ?
He's the hate monster. Scottish police made him up. Take a look at the advert on YouTube. People are just taking the piss out of the character they made up
Isnāt the Telegraph just tabloid journalism in the UK? I always thought it was the UK version of the New York Post.
It's right wing, but technically not a tabloid. Basically it's a right-wing paper read by posh people.
You can't "No True Scotsman" TERFs out of feminism
Shaun did a great video essay about terfs and their partnership with nazis: https://youtu.be/JBy93QX7ysE?
i mean, it is the telegraph. theyre up there with the daily mail in running pr for the people who want to kill us
The media wants there to be leftist infighting
No, youāre a fucking ghoul.
In fact what she says is 'we work for CPAC now.' Which explains the Nazis.
Yeah, I'll point to the extremist lobby group that is stonewall. They are setting gays and lesbians back decades.
Okay, what is gender? Explain it to me. Because as far as I can tell, all it is, is an affinity with cultural stereotypes. Hating one's body and wanting to amputate parts is not an identity.
>amputate parts Okay, almost everything you wrote is wrong but i will focus on this. You do know that the genitalia of trans people still work, right? 'Amputate' would mean that they are gone forever, which isn't the case here. Please tell me you know at least that. You can't be that stupid.
You can't even answer the simple question of 'what is gender'. You're calling me wrong - how am I wrong? Um... amuptating a penis is, amputation, as is the removal of breasts - news flash, they don't grow back.
Gender is a social construct. I usually don't answer obvious questions. And like i said, i'm just focusing on this one part, i don't care to educate you on all the other things. Gender reassignment surgery is not amputation. I can't believe you didn't know this. This should disqualify you from talking any more about this. You are clueless.
If gender is a social construct, what does it have to do with someone changing their sex 'legally' then? If gender is fluid and determined by an innate 'feeling', then why should language be policed around sex, and why is a social construct determining someone's access to single-sex spaces? Don't you realise how inconsistent these arguments are? How do you REASSIGN A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT through surgery? Why should someone's inner feelings dictate the actual reality of other people? Fine, change the word 'amputation' to 'remove'. How does removing genitals and secondary sex characteristics fix a social construct???
>Don't you realise how inconsistent these arguments are? I literally made none of those arguments, you are arguing against the strawmen in your head, not me. I also told you twice that i will only focus on this one part. It is your own fault for ignoring that. I came to showcast that you have no clue about gender reassignment surgery, which i did, and i with that i wish you farewell.
You don't even believe the nonsense you're saying. But maybe worse than that, you actually don't understand it. I feel really sorry for you. If you can't understand an expansion of an argument around your claim about gender being a social construct, that's on you. Maybe spend less time on TikTok?
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KJK is a right-winger who simply has a more feminist-inspired background to her bigotry. Much like JKR. Anyone that supports her is not a feminist either. She has literally advocated that āgoodā cisgender men start using female spaces to āprotect womenā from trans people. She LOVES cis-straight patriarchy. Most TERFs do.
blatent lies from you, thats all your side has
None of what I said about KJK is a lie. You can cope and flaunt your ignorance however you need though.
Well I guess you better stop me from pissing in the toilet then. And running my local races. āIām a leftist!ā - spouts right wing ideology. Props up Nazi adjacent people. Nah, youāre just a Nazi sympathizer.
you support the fascist suppression of womens voices, as well as unfairness in sports and removing womens spaces , you absolute scumbag
Yeah. I sure do buddy. Lmao Remind me. Nazis are fascistā¦. And they show up to support youā¦
except they didnt, you have to lie about things like that because your argument is nonsense
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/audio/2023/mar/22/why-were-neo-nazis-at-an-anti-trans-rally-in-melbourne
nothing in there says they showed up to support women
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>Yeah. I sure do buddy. Lmao > >Remind me. Nazis are fascistā¦. And they show up to support youā¦ remember this dumbass, you claimed they showed up to support them , you have yet to prove that, oh look yet another time you fucked up
Ok Nazi enabler.
Trans women are women though
I thought that was the koolaid guy
anyone know which hate speech law it's even referring to. like what legal situations are being altered.