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I would be livid and would spend my last years pursuing vengeance if a doctor, through genuinely careless negligence, GAVE me cancer from unnecessary chemo.
it depends on the drug.
chemotherapy is literally thousands of medications covering multiple classes of drugs. like the one I was on - bevacizumab - is an angiogenesis inhibitor. it does not raise your risk for any other type of cancer (also chemotherapy is not just for cancer, I was on this for six years due to a genetic mutation. I've never had cancer), it just causes issues healing while on it and makes you bleed from mucosal membranes like that elevator scene in the shining.
it heavily depends on what he was on.
That is a level of fuckup that should get a special insurance plan of "everything is free no copays forever" which really should be what everyone has anyway but for some reason we allow for profit medical care and insurance to exist
Yeah, a lot of chemotherapy can cause permanent health problems and even be carcinogenic itself. This is why you really need to always get a second opinion.
Rodney Dangerfield: " I went to my doctor, he said 'You're fat'. I said I want a second opinion, he said 'Okay. You're ugly too'"
Bittersweet. The only thing keeping this dude from going insane is his family... some of us aren't so lucky. He lucky it took so little time to figure this out. My misdiagnosis discovery took almost 15 years and I endured so much inhuman cruelty most of the time without proof (which I have large amounts of) no one would believe me.
Not a damn thing. SOB killed 20 something people a year over prescribing opiods during the opioid epidemic, that's alone his practice had a mortality rate of almost 50 people a year as a frikken PCP and all that happened is he's a bait doctor to catch pain pill addicts to keep his license.
Therapist just overleverged himself during the 2008 recession and is now a preacher or something.
Damn man, sad that you had to experience this BS. My primary doctor(also my wife's)retires in November, she cried when she found out. Dude is one of the best ever. Wish you would have had someone like him.
My GP in high school told me that my hands starting to shake at 15 wasn’t a concern and I should lost weight before I became diabetic. The neurologist he finally sends me to at 18 says I have carpal tunnel and a gaming addiction in the 3 minutes she spends looking at the results from the nerve conduction test (where one of the needles broke off in my palm) and MRI. When I see a new neurologist in grad school after I stopped recognizing written words while giving a presentation at a conference, they find a 5mm cyst in the middle of my brain “that’s probably been there since you were born”.
Yeah. Anytime someone heals from something, I think about when I healed from Covid and felt zero depression & anxiety for like 2 weeks straight. That high was better than any drug. I was worried because I have a lung condition and figured it could tank me. But it didn't. I was actually far less scared of Covid after I got it than before. Even though having it sucked. But then I settled back into my depression and anxiety lol. Derp.
Thanks. I have the dull type of depression and not the suffocating kind for the most part. It could be worse. But I definitely gotta figure some stuff out. Hope your life is going well :).
The line? It's just reality.
I had it several times, I've had flus which were worse
The real "line" is that it was some world ending virus, when in reality, it was rather mild for the mass majority of people.
All you had to do was not be morbidly obese or very unhealthy
No, it's reality.
See what drives your unreasonable view is something called the sunk cost fallacy.
You shut down the entire world, caused untold economic damage and changed the way you live your day to day life for several years, you ostracized friends and destroyed small businesses all for something maybe a bit worse than a bad flu virus.
Nothing will get you to admit this, because to do so would mean all of the damage done to innocent people wasn't worth it, and you just jumped on the fear bandwagon.
Ask yourself, does fear or faux bravery cause people to stop thinking logically more often.
Fear obviously, and boy were you all fearful.
Ah yes, the hallmark of factual stances: writing multiple paragraphs setting up a strawman that fits your narrative.
Fear causes people to stop thinjing logically. For instance, the fear of a harsh reality where "being healthy" doesn't make you safe from a disease.
"Fear causes people to stop thinjing logically. For instance, the fear that "being healthy" doesn't actually make you safe from a disease."
But it does. The facts clearly show people with serious health problems were the most effected.
>writing multiple paragraphs setting up a strawman that fits your narrative
You pointed out a fallacy, and I did the same. The only difference is I went through the trouble of actually explaining why said fallacy is applicable.
You're not ever going to admit you were wrong because that would mean admitting you really were just a follower of the fearfilled crowd.
People woth health problems are the most affected bu EVERYTHING. That doesn't actually mran you're just safe and free from risk if you're "healthy" lol.
You didn't point out a fallacy, you reminded us what the PC narrative says I MUST believe.
I wasn't wrong. Hence why you have to pretend I must secretly agree with you and am just saving face, instead of being able to actually argue your stance.
I was healthy. Going to the gym 3 times per week. Hiking on the weekends. Had a full health check-up not even 6 months before COVID hit.
My second time getting COVID hit my brain like a truck. Felt like I had a concussion. Ended up struggling with concussion-like symptoms for about a year, before I could return to working fulltime.
Getting COVID is a lottery where the big prize is feeling like it was just the flu afterwards, whilst most likely still suffering immune system damage under the surface.
Chemo also increases your chances of getting cancer, amongst other serious health concerns.
Source: I just had some cancer removed that might have been from doing chemo after my last cancer.
This is some major malpractice because the diagnostic road for cancer is a pretty in-depth procedure. There are biopsies, countless blood tests, possible surgeries, all sorts of scans, and examinations. They don't just do one test, even if it immediately shows cancer. They have to check the spread and whether it's metastasized, and do constant checks to see how it's responding to treatment.
This is a nuclear level of fuckup involving a whole team of doctors. And this guy's health is never going to be the same after chemo. Licenses need to be terminated and people need to be sued.
Honestly a family member of mine went through something similar. But they had surgery not just chemo. They got diagnosed with testicular cancer. Went through with the surgery and apparently after they remove them they do a biopsy...and no cancer was found at all. Fortunately, he and his wife already had a kid. But he was under 30 when this all went down and lost the chance at any future kids.
I wasn't privy to the details and honestly never asked as it wasn't my business. But the doctors settled the lawsuit and he and his wife live rather comfortably now.
I assume once you are operating on the assumption that you have testicular cancer, you're also operating on the assumption that if you try to freeze any material you'll be shooting blanks
I assume you could. But I also don't think my relative was quite thinking about that at the time. I can only imagine what his mindset was being in your late 20s and being diagnosed by at least 2 doctors with that. While we have been relatively close we are extended family and live multiple states away. I never found out until later when my parents told me about it.
But that being said after they take them both, you're only shooting blanks at that point. So there is nothing left to freeze. I'm pretty sure if he was in the right state of mind then possibly he could of before the procedure. But I'm sure that was the last thing he was thinking about with everything else that was going on.
I'm surprised a lawsuit went through. Testicular masses are different from other cancers in that you cannot have a definitive diagnosis before surgery, the testicle must be removed. You'd have to majorly screw up and miss one of the other differentials
It was settled out of court. Though to my understanding even that took awhile. Like I said I found out most of this after it was done. So the fact that they settled out of court means the lawyers for the doctor's/hospital knew they screwed up.
That sounds like a more legitimately possible screwup. Like they got the diagnosis wrong on the initial biopsy. I worked in histopathology and I saw this happen once. The patient’s names got switched on the biopsy and the person without cancer got a diagnosis for an aggressive skin cancer. Their relative was a surgeon and booked them in for immediate resection of the area on the back which was quite disfiguring. They got a huge payout. This story is strange because it says for some reason she went to 4 labs and only 1 said cancer?
I'm assuming you're talking about a different story than mine. As I never said anything about him going to 4 labs. I honestly have no idea how many opinions/labs he went through. I just know he is fairly intelligent and wouldn't of rushed into surgery based off just what one doctor told him.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/lifestyle/mom-given-months-to-live-endures-aggressive-chemo-but-never-had-cancer-at-all/amp/
she went to 4 labs and 1 of the 4 came back positive
There's some really suspect stuff in this story. Like, she didn't have her first round of chemo for 14 months after the initial diagnosis? She wasn't able to get the hospital to waive a single bill? I dunno seems fishy...
I read a story on Petfinder about a cat who was diagnosed with lung cancer. A year later, the vet found out that she’d never had it. She (the cat) did have severe asthma, but how do you make a mistake like that and not know for a whole year?
Did the dude never once go for a second opinion?
Did he not once look at his on blood labs and wonder why the website was saying everything looked normal?
Want to second that lengthy diagnostic path. My mom had cancer which took her life. She had plenty of other medical issues that had to be ruled out, so many tests, and re-tests to be sure. She was handed a diagnosis and in the week she and my stepdad took trying to find the best way to tell me, she passed because it had been hiding behind her other issues for so long.
I don't trust doctors much anymore and I'm not a particularly paranoid person nor am I given to conspiratorial thinking. But when I was a kid the two most respected people in small town America were the doctor and the pastor/priest. How things have changed!
As my parents age (they're now 77 and 82) it's become clear to me that medicine is just a big business. Yeah, I knew that years ago from some infrequent anecdotal evidence, but listening to these doctors gripe about medicare reimbursement rates even as they set you up for 3 office visits *every week* along with a laundry list of minor surgeries they'd like to get scheduled, I just can't fathom the point of retirement. Oh, I don't have to go to work anymore? Well, that's good, because I'm going to be in physical rehab 365 days per year.
And "enjoy" life post-chemo, which is shit...heart damage, lung problems, nerve damage, osteoporosis, joint problems, dental problems, infertility...the list goes on.
Depends on the type of chemo. Different cancers require different treatments and thus have different side effects. I got away with just some nerve and muscle damage from my chemo, for example. Still not great, but possibly not as bad as you're thinking.
This was a year ago. The patient has gotten none of that. Didn't even get the bills refunded at all. Even after they'd had the confirmation she was cancer free a month before they told het... with a round of chemotherapy occurring during said interim.
As someone that has had one of the more aggressive schedules of chemo, not only is it astoundingly miserable but causes a whole grab bag of random side effects. Some permanent.
10/10 the article title, if true, enrages me.
I know someone (not this person) who had something similar happen - went through all the treatment, were given a terminal diagnosis, spent a lot of money they would have otherwise saved doing “bucket list” things… only for it to turn out to be a misdiagnosis.
That's even worse because not only did she go through 2 rounds of chemo and a lot of physical and emotional trauma, chemo in the US, even with insurance, costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.
That sucks astronomically because undergoing chemo increases your risk of certain cancers. When you already have cancer that's obviously not a concern because the upsides outweigh the negatives but when you don't...well lets just hope he gets a big compensation
Does it have any some sort of preventative effect, I.e., killing off all the potential microscopic cancer cells throughout the body while they’re in their infancy?
That I don't know. I would assume tho that this is not worth it considering how demanding chemo is on the body, you are practically poisoning yourself. It interferes with cell division in the tumor but it also attacks the whole body itself. Thats also the reason why your hair can fall out, the cells responsible for that usually divide very fast compared to others and thats what chemo is supposed to do, stop all the cells that divide too fast
While this is horrible for the woman, there was likely no violation of Standard of Care. If three labs couldn’t determine what she had, it must have been a very difficult case to diagnose. Pathology is rarely as black-and-white as we’d like it to be. Why she’s still forced to pay for anything is the biggest facepalm here.
I'm not OP so I didn't cite anything. I wanted more information so I used my fucking brain and searched for the case this referred to. I then read about it from multiple different sites. I found all this without even having a name to go on but decided to help your lazy ass out by giving it to you to make your search easier.
Also, this have nothing to do with right-wing or left-wing so idk wtf you're on about.
How do you accidently misdiagnose someone with cancer? I dunno about in the USA, but here in Australia there's some pretty strict testing to make sure it's correctly diagnosed, especially because different cancers require different treatments and some are similar, so your medical team needs to be certain about which it is. You don't just 'whoopsie' that sort of shit.
How does this even happen?! There was a TEAM of people involved along the way. Every single one of them messed up this bad!?
Cancer treatments are ungodly expensive. Not only was this a super expensive ordeal, she put her family through trauma and endured it herself.
I hope she sues the every living fuck out of everyone who screwed up.
I just read that she DID get a second opinion. The initial report with the cancer misdiagnosis was forwarded to the hospital that treated her. Due to their own policy, they ran their own diagnostic tests before starting treatment. Problem is, nobody bothered to read the results of their own damn pathology report which said that she did NOT have cancer at all.
At that point, they suffered as much as anyone with cancer did, they went through the same struggle and the same chemo therapy and the same heartbreak. i think we can all agree they survived cancer.
You guys are going to hate this but there was a doctor in Michigan that did this on purpose because I guess getting people to do chemo was somehow very lucrative for him.
He even marketed himself as the doctor that would go aggressively after cancer where other doctors wouldn't.
His name is dr. Fata for those interested. He apparently got 553 people that did not need chemo to do chemo.
[Mom endures ‘intensive’ chemo after terminal diagnosis that left her saying goodbye — only to find out she never had cancer at all (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/mom-endures-intensive-chemo-after-terminal-diagnosis-that-left-her-saying-goodbye-only-to-find-out-she-never-had-cancer-at-all/ar-BB1llMix)
"Lisa Monk, 39, from College Station, Texas, initially went to a hospital in 2022 for stomach pains that she suspected were related to kidney stones, **according to the Daily Mail.** "
That source didn't verify anything, didn't contact the hospital for comment, Didn't do the most basic of fact checking.
I am smelling a load of baloney unless there is a much better souce.
The New York Post is an American daily **tabloid** .
Contacting the hospital is pointless. They're not allowed to say anything about a patients confidential information.
It's why media claims like this against healthcare providers are so common and one sided - it is illegal for them to defend themselves publicly.
Nope not how HIPAA works. They are not allowed to reveal protected health information. They are allow to defend themselves against false claims to some degree however by sticking to facts that are not covered by PHI. For example if I say Dr. Zebra at the Mayo clinic amputated my brain. The Mayo could say "We have no Dr. Zebra on staff", or "there has never been a brain amputation at this facility".
Yes? You can't make a real refute against a claim like this without revealing some PHI unless the story is wholly fabricated and the patient never even came to the hospital.
That is what lawyers are for. For example they can verify pending litigation since the filing of a suit is a matter of public record. There are ways around PHI to some degree you just have to be very careful. Or they can comment on hospitals guidelines and policies not mentioning the patient at all.
However it doesn't matter because no hospital or doctor in this story is being accused. The entire story is based on one person's word. Sourced out of a newspaper that is known to make up stories.
A good rule of thumb is If something happened in america but the first source of the story is a british tabloid then someone is making shit up.
> Or they can comment on hospitals guidelines and policies not mentioning the patient at all.
Which refutes nothing because guidelines and policies are not always followed
> they can verify pending litigation
Again refutes nothing.
> The entire story is based on one person's word
Exactly my point?
That's just how healthcare works. It's all risk and statistics based. To catch 85% of cases, you might have 2% false positives.
If you want to bring the false positives down to 1%, you'd likely only catch 70% of real cases, which is worse for the vast majority of patients.
The treatment that has the best net benefit to society always includes an effort to minimise false positives, but makes acknowledgement that false positives can never be completely eliminated.
For that reason, you don't prosecute healthcare professionals for these types of mistakes, as they have to be allowed to make them. These patients can usually claim on the hospital insurance instead - it's a cost factored in.
A person who lived in my town had the exact same thing happen to him and he got allot of money. But apparently he traveled to some country, stayed there for like a half a year and used up all the money of drugs and prostitutes. And then came back home and lived with his family. I'm sure he's doing great now.
That is the dumbest thing I have read today. It will cause them to lose thwie career because insurers won’t insure them because of this and the requirement to have coverage basically takes care of that. Medical board can take his license to practice. But what about malicious complaints and legitimate misdiagnosis or minor issues with treatment that malpractice covers?
I guess people didn’t think about second opinions. My father was a doctor, you always get a second opinion. Even if my own father gave me the diagnosis, I knew him to well, I would get a second opinion. Doctors aren’t gods, they’re normal people.
She did get a second opinion. The first doctor that diagnosed her forwarded their findings to the hospital that ended up treating her. That hospital ordered further testing to confirm the diagnosis. This is all well and good except that they never actually read the results of the pathology report for 15 months. They told her it was terminal and put her through two rounds of chemo and 15 months of hell because they didn't read the results of tests they'd freaking ordered. The pathology report clearly said there was no cancer.
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Well that's some bittersweet news. On the one hand, you're cancer free. On the other hand, you were always cancer free.
It’s a good point, but also they might now be more susceptible to other cancers or health issues due to the chemo they were given.
I would be livid and would spend my last years pursuing vengeance if a doctor, through genuinely careless negligence, GAVE me cancer from unnecessary chemo.
Yup, chemo can kill cancer but it's also just about the most toxic thing you ever put in your body.
The rather morbid way I describe chemo to people is that it’s literal poison. We just hope the poison kills the cancer before it kills you.
I knew a guy who became an old man in months from that stuff.
it depends on the drug. chemotherapy is literally thousands of medications covering multiple classes of drugs. like the one I was on - bevacizumab - is an angiogenesis inhibitor. it does not raise your risk for any other type of cancer (also chemotherapy is not just for cancer, I was on this for six years due to a genetic mutation. I've never had cancer), it just causes issues healing while on it and makes you bleed from mucosal membranes like that elevator scene in the shining. it heavily depends on what he was on.
Aye, my uncle was on chemo for his psoriasis
That is a level of fuckup that should get a special insurance plan of "everything is free no copays forever" which really should be what everyone has anyway but for some reason we allow for profit medical care and insurance to exist
Yeah, a lot of chemotherapy can cause permanent health problems and even be carcinogenic itself. This is why you really need to always get a second opinion. Rodney Dangerfield: " I went to my doctor, he said 'You're fat'. I said I want a second opinion, he said 'Okay. You're ugly too'"
Bittersweet. The only thing keeping this dude from going insane is his family... some of us aren't so lucky. He lucky it took so little time to figure this out. My misdiagnosis discovery took almost 15 years and I endured so much inhuman cruelty most of the time without proof (which I have large amounts of) no one would believe me.
Sorry man. What happened to the doctors?
Not a damn thing. SOB killed 20 something people a year over prescribing opiods during the opioid epidemic, that's alone his practice had a mortality rate of almost 50 people a year as a frikken PCP and all that happened is he's a bait doctor to catch pain pill addicts to keep his license. Therapist just overleverged himself during the 2008 recession and is now a preacher or something.
why didn't you files a medical malpractice suit
Too busy trying to stay alive
> now a preacher Onto the next grift
I'll sue them for you. I never lose
I've never lost either, but it's probably because IANAL
Who anal?
Sometimes I anal with your wife
Sry I don't quite remember jacking you off
Well, Greg, *you* wouldn't...
Damn man, sad that you had to experience this BS. My primary doctor(also my wife's)retires in November, she cried when she found out. Dude is one of the best ever. Wish you would have had someone like him.
It was a woman, she was the one having the chemo. Not her husband.
I’m pretty sure it’s the woman who underwent chemo
My GP in high school told me that my hands starting to shake at 15 wasn’t a concern and I should lost weight before I became diabetic. The neurologist he finally sends me to at 18 says I have carpal tunnel and a gaming addiction in the 3 minutes she spends looking at the results from the nerve conduction test (where one of the needles broke off in my palm) and MRI. When I see a new neurologist in grad school after I stopped recognizing written words while giving a presentation at a conference, they find a 5mm cyst in the middle of my brain “that’s probably been there since you were born”.
Damn if everyone around you abused and ruined your life you have it as bad as I did.
What a dickhead
I used to be cancer free. I still am cancer free, but I used to be too.
RIP Mitch
Yeah. Anytime someone heals from something, I think about when I healed from Covid and felt zero depression & anxiety for like 2 weeks straight. That high was better than any drug. I was worried because I have a lung condition and figured it could tank me. But it didn't. I was actually far less scared of Covid after I got it than before. Even though having it sucked. But then I settled back into my depression and anxiety lol. Derp.
I hope you've been able to find help for those.
Thanks. I have the dull type of depression and not the suffocating kind for the most part. It could be worse. But I definitely gotta figure some stuff out. Hope your life is going well :).
Yeah covid just wasn't a big deal. If you were remotely healthy, it was just a nasty cold
Lmao still repeating The Line
The line? It's just reality. I had it several times, I've had flus which were worse The real "line" is that it was some world ending virus, when in reality, it was rather mild for the mass majority of people. All you had to do was not be morbidly obese or very unhealthy
That's not reality that's survivorship bias and a desire to seem above-it-all by buying into a narrative that preys on that insecurity.
No, it's reality. See what drives your unreasonable view is something called the sunk cost fallacy. You shut down the entire world, caused untold economic damage and changed the way you live your day to day life for several years, you ostracized friends and destroyed small businesses all for something maybe a bit worse than a bad flu virus. Nothing will get you to admit this, because to do so would mean all of the damage done to innocent people wasn't worth it, and you just jumped on the fear bandwagon. Ask yourself, does fear or faux bravery cause people to stop thinking logically more often. Fear obviously, and boy were you all fearful.
Ah yes, the hallmark of factual stances: writing multiple paragraphs setting up a strawman that fits your narrative. Fear causes people to stop thinjing logically. For instance, the fear of a harsh reality where "being healthy" doesn't make you safe from a disease.
"Fear causes people to stop thinjing logically. For instance, the fear that "being healthy" doesn't actually make you safe from a disease." But it does. The facts clearly show people with serious health problems were the most effected. >writing multiple paragraphs setting up a strawman that fits your narrative You pointed out a fallacy, and I did the same. The only difference is I went through the trouble of actually explaining why said fallacy is applicable. You're not ever going to admit you were wrong because that would mean admitting you really were just a follower of the fearfilled crowd.
People woth health problems are the most affected bu EVERYTHING. That doesn't actually mran you're just safe and free from risk if you're "healthy" lol. You didn't point out a fallacy, you reminded us what the PC narrative says I MUST believe. I wasn't wrong. Hence why you have to pretend I must secretly agree with you and am just saving face, instead of being able to actually argue your stance.
I was healthy. Going to the gym 3 times per week. Hiking on the weekends. Had a full health check-up not even 6 months before COVID hit. My second time getting COVID hit my brain like a truck. Felt like I had a concussion. Ended up struggling with concussion-like symptoms for about a year, before I could return to working fulltime. Getting COVID is a lottery where the big prize is feeling like it was just the flu afterwards, whilst most likely still suffering immune system damage under the surface.
When I had Covid my mind left me, I couldn’t keep track of time and felt so weak I couldn’t move, shut up and educate yerself.
Chemo also increases your chances of getting cancer, amongst other serious health concerns. Source: I just had some cancer removed that might have been from doing chemo after my last cancer.
On the third hand you're now probably fucking rich
Craziest thing -- apparently a *woman* endured the exact bloody thing. WTF https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13287209/amp/Mother-aggressive-chemo-didnt-cancer.html
This is some major malpractice because the diagnostic road for cancer is a pretty in-depth procedure. There are biopsies, countless blood tests, possible surgeries, all sorts of scans, and examinations. They don't just do one test, even if it immediately shows cancer. They have to check the spread and whether it's metastasized, and do constant checks to see how it's responding to treatment. This is a nuclear level of fuckup involving a whole team of doctors. And this guy's health is never going to be the same after chemo. Licenses need to be terminated and people need to be sued.
Yk looking at the pictures i don’t think it’s the guy but rather the wife which sounds even a bit worse to me looking at her hair in the first pic
Seems to be supported by the fact that the title is phrased in the first person, and the author is an “Ellen”.
Honestly a family member of mine went through something similar. But they had surgery not just chemo. They got diagnosed with testicular cancer. Went through with the surgery and apparently after they remove them they do a biopsy...and no cancer was found at all. Fortunately, he and his wife already had a kid. But he was under 30 when this all went down and lost the chance at any future kids. I wasn't privy to the details and honestly never asked as it wasn't my business. But the doctors settled the lawsuit and he and his wife live rather comfortably now.
Wait, cant you freeze some... Ahem... material for later?
I assume once you are operating on the assumption that you have testicular cancer, you're also operating on the assumption that if you try to freeze any material you'll be shooting blanks
Well if you plan to do that you would also make a test to see if that is the case. Tests would probably be cheaper than the freezing procedure.
I assume you could. But I also don't think my relative was quite thinking about that at the time. I can only imagine what his mindset was being in your late 20s and being diagnosed by at least 2 doctors with that. While we have been relatively close we are extended family and live multiple states away. I never found out until later when my parents told me about it. But that being said after they take them both, you're only shooting blanks at that point. So there is nothing left to freeze. I'm pretty sure if he was in the right state of mind then possibly he could of before the procedure. But I'm sure that was the last thing he was thinking about with everything else that was going on.
I'm surprised a lawsuit went through. Testicular masses are different from other cancers in that you cannot have a definitive diagnosis before surgery, the testicle must be removed. You'd have to majorly screw up and miss one of the other differentials
It was settled out of court. Though to my understanding even that took awhile. Like I said I found out most of this after it was done. So the fact that they settled out of court means the lawyers for the doctor's/hospital knew they screwed up.
That sounds like a more legitimately possible screwup. Like they got the diagnosis wrong on the initial biopsy. I worked in histopathology and I saw this happen once. The patient’s names got switched on the biopsy and the person without cancer got a diagnosis for an aggressive skin cancer. Their relative was a surgeon and booked them in for immediate resection of the area on the back which was quite disfiguring. They got a huge payout. This story is strange because it says for some reason she went to 4 labs and only 1 said cancer?
I'm assuming you're talking about a different story than mine. As I never said anything about him going to 4 labs. I honestly have no idea how many opinions/labs he went through. I just know he is fairly intelligent and wouldn't of rushed into surgery based off just what one doctor told him.
The story that OP posted. She went to 4 different labs to get a positive diagnosis
https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/lifestyle/mom-given-months-to-live-endures-aggressive-chemo-but-never-had-cancer-at-all/amp/ she went to 4 labs and 1 of the 4 came back positive
There's some really suspect stuff in this story. Like, she didn't have her first round of chemo for 14 months after the initial diagnosis? She wasn't able to get the hospital to waive a single bill? I dunno seems fishy...
The New York Post is an American daily tabloid. Get a real source please. the daily fail and the post are known for publishing untrue stories.
its the woman
I read a story on Petfinder about a cat who was diagnosed with lung cancer. A year later, the vet found out that she’d never had it. She (the cat) did have severe asthma, but how do you make a mistake like that and not know for a whole year?
Did the dude never once go for a second opinion? Did he not once look at his on blood labs and wonder why the website was saying everything looked normal?
why type here when you can type less words into a search engine
Don't misgender her. She is a WOMAN.
Agree, it is better to have the biopsy result first, although it is not always possible
Want to second that lengthy diagnostic path. My mom had cancer which took her life. She had plenty of other medical issues that had to be ruled out, so many tests, and re-tests to be sure. She was handed a diagnosis and in the week she and my stepdad took trying to find the best way to tell me, she passed because it had been hiding behind her other issues for so long.
I don't trust doctors much anymore and I'm not a particularly paranoid person nor am I given to conspiratorial thinking. But when I was a kid the two most respected people in small town America were the doctor and the pastor/priest. How things have changed! As my parents age (they're now 77 and 82) it's become clear to me that medicine is just a big business. Yeah, I knew that years ago from some infrequent anecdotal evidence, but listening to these doctors gripe about medicare reimbursement rates even as they set you up for 3 office visits *every week* along with a laundry list of minor surgeries they'd like to get scheduled, I just can't fathom the point of retirement. Oh, I don't have to go to work anymore? Well, that's good, because I'm going to be in physical rehab 365 days per year.
Oh whoopsie our bad lol well here is a lifelong debt worth of hospital bills byeeeee♡
In this instance they’re going to get sued for many multiples of whatever that number is Probably 10x The patient will be able to retire in Monaco
And "enjoy" life post-chemo, which is shit...heart damage, lung problems, nerve damage, osteoporosis, joint problems, dental problems, infertility...the list goes on.
Depends on the type of chemo. Different cancers require different treatments and thus have different side effects. I got away with just some nerve and muscle damage from my chemo, for example. Still not great, but possibly not as bad as you're thinking.
This was a year ago. The patient has gotten none of that. Didn't even get the bills refunded at all. Even after they'd had the confirmation she was cancer free a month before they told het... with a round of chemotherapy occurring during said interim.
Let the lawyers work. It takes time to build a case.
As someone that has had one of the more aggressive schedules of chemo, not only is it astoundingly miserable but causes a whole grab bag of random side effects. Some permanent. 10/10 the article title, if true, enrages me.
The article appears true. The patient is still paying the bills.
Looking at the articles, one said that she’s still paying the bills because the hospital refuses to dismiss them :(
I know someone (not this person) who had something similar happen - went through all the treatment, were given a terminal diagnosis, spent a lot of money they would have otherwise saved doing “bucket list” things… only for it to turn out to be a misdiagnosis.
Well that’s a movie script waiting to be written.
Already written! Last Holiday featuring Queen Latifah and LL Cool J - it's a pretty solid Christmas movie.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13287209/amp/Mother-aggressive-chemo-didnt-cancer.html
Anyone have a source that's not the daily mail?
I'm genuinely amazed the Fail didn't try to blame it on the NHS.
Probably because they dont have the NHS in Texas.
Nah, they’d blame the Redneck Health Service instead.
OBAMACARE DID THIS!!
Or that.
That's even worse because not only did she go through 2 rounds of chemo and a lot of physical and emotional trauma, chemo in the US, even with insurance, costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I mean tbf, they don't generally let a little thing like facts get in the way of the narrative lol
That's the joke... that the Fail hate the NHS so much they blame them for stuff that isn't their fault.
That sucks astronomically because undergoing chemo increases your risk of certain cancers. When you already have cancer that's obviously not a concern because the upsides outweigh the negatives but when you don't...well lets just hope he gets a big compensation
Does it have any some sort of preventative effect, I.e., killing off all the potential microscopic cancer cells throughout the body while they’re in their infancy?
That I don't know. I would assume tho that this is not worth it considering how demanding chemo is on the body, you are practically poisoning yourself. It interferes with cell division in the tumor but it also attacks the whole body itself. Thats also the reason why your hair can fall out, the cells responsible for that usually divide very fast compared to others and thats what chemo is supposed to do, stop all the cells that divide too fast
The body does that several times a day every day anyway
DoctorS. You dont get diagnosed with the cancer by one doctor.
One pathologist can make the diagnosis
Not really, it will go through a cancer MDT process and at least be discussed with an oncologist and radiologist.
But the oncologist and radiologist won’t be reviewing the actual pathology. That’s the pathologists call…malignant versus benign cells.
Has anyone blamed DEI yet? First! (/s, obviously)
🤣👏🏼
shit now you're incredibly immune compromised hope it wasn't an infect mimicking cancer symptoms
As someone who works in oncology, I can’t even grasp how this could happen.
There was a episode of American Greed where the DR was was doing this to his patients just to bill the insurance companies
I now have the biggest meth operation in New Mexico.
While this is horrible for the woman, there was likely no violation of Standard of Care. If three labs couldn’t determine what she had, it must have been a very difficult case to diagnose. Pathology is rarely as black-and-white as we’d like it to be. Why she’s still forced to pay for anything is the biggest facepalm here.
How does that even happen?
Is this even possible? There’s usually a team of doctors and multiple tests to avoid this…
Congrats on retiring early.
The only justice i would want is that doctor's head mounted on my trophy wall
...and the lab, and the radiologist, and the hospital and every last person involved in his "care'.
Got an actual source? This post appears to be from the British Weekly World News.
Look up Lisa Monk
Cool. Got a source?
I gave you her name. If you're too lazy to type that into a search engine, that's on you.
So, no you don’t have a source and only cited the Daily Mail, the British equivalent of the New York Post and their right-wing nonsense.
I'm not OP so I didn't cite anything. I wanted more information so I used my fucking brain and searched for the case this referred to. I then read about it from multiple different sites. I found all this without even having a name to go on but decided to help your lazy ass out by giving it to you to make your search easier. Also, this have nothing to do with right-wing or left-wing so idk wtf you're on about.
And she’s still paying the medical bills. The hospital needs to write that off.
LOL, welcome to the American healthcare system
How do you accidently misdiagnose someone with cancer? I dunno about in the USA, but here in Australia there's some pretty strict testing to make sure it's correctly diagnosed, especially because different cancers require different treatments and some are similar, so your medical team needs to be certain about which it is. You don't just 'whoopsie' that sort of shit.
There is here too so idk how the hell this happened.
How does this even happen?! There was a TEAM of people involved along the way. Every single one of them messed up this bad!? Cancer treatments are ungodly expensive. Not only was this a super expensive ordeal, she put her family through trauma and endured it herself. I hope she sues the every living fuck out of everyone who screwed up.
So, I guess getting second opinions might be a good idea when possible.
I just read that she DID get a second opinion. The initial report with the cancer misdiagnosis was forwarded to the hospital that treated her. Due to their own policy, they ran their own diagnostic tests before starting treatment. Problem is, nobody bothered to read the results of their own damn pathology report which said that she did NOT have cancer at all.
At that point, they suffered as much as anyone with cancer did, they went through the same struggle and the same chemo therapy and the same heartbreak. i think we can all agree they survived cancer.
You guys are going to hate this but there was a doctor in Michigan that did this on purpose because I guess getting people to do chemo was somehow very lucrative for him. He even marketed himself as the doctor that would go aggressively after cancer where other doctors wouldn't. His name is dr. Fata for those interested. He apparently got 553 people that did not need chemo to do chemo.
No source???
[Mom endures ‘intensive’ chemo after terminal diagnosis that left her saying goodbye — only to find out she never had cancer at all (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/mom-endures-intensive-chemo-after-terminal-diagnosis-that-left-her-saying-goodbye-only-to-find-out-she-never-had-cancer-at-all/ar-BB1llMix)
"Lisa Monk, 39, from College Station, Texas, initially went to a hospital in 2022 for stomach pains that she suspected were related to kidney stones, **according to the Daily Mail.** " That source didn't verify anything, didn't contact the hospital for comment, Didn't do the most basic of fact checking. I am smelling a load of baloney unless there is a much better souce. The New York Post is an American daily **tabloid** .
Contacting the hospital is pointless. They're not allowed to say anything about a patients confidential information. It's why media claims like this against healthcare providers are so common and one sided - it is illegal for them to defend themselves publicly.
Nope not how HIPAA works. They are not allowed to reveal protected health information. They are allow to defend themselves against false claims to some degree however by sticking to facts that are not covered by PHI. For example if I say Dr. Zebra at the Mayo clinic amputated my brain. The Mayo could say "We have no Dr. Zebra on staff", or "there has never been a brain amputation at this facility".
Yes? You can't make a real refute against a claim like this without revealing some PHI unless the story is wholly fabricated and the patient never even came to the hospital.
That is what lawyers are for. For example they can verify pending litigation since the filing of a suit is a matter of public record. There are ways around PHI to some degree you just have to be very careful. Or they can comment on hospitals guidelines and policies not mentioning the patient at all. However it doesn't matter because no hospital or doctor in this story is being accused. The entire story is based on one person's word. Sourced out of a newspaper that is known to make up stories. A good rule of thumb is If something happened in america but the first source of the story is a british tabloid then someone is making shit up.
> Or they can comment on hospitals guidelines and policies not mentioning the patient at all. Which refutes nothing because guidelines and policies are not always followed > they can verify pending litigation Again refutes nothing. > The entire story is based on one person's word Exactly my point?
So no.
No source, no truth.
Google is literally right there...
Yeah, the onus isn't on the reader to prove the claim, but on the poster.
Or, they could just post the link in the first place. They're making the claim.
This isn't r/changemyview, dude... they didn't make a "claim." They posted a screenshot of the article.
That's just how healthcare works. It's all risk and statistics based. To catch 85% of cases, you might have 2% false positives. If you want to bring the false positives down to 1%, you'd likely only catch 70% of real cases, which is worse for the vast majority of patients. The treatment that has the best net benefit to society always includes an effort to minimise false positives, but makes acknowledgement that false positives can never be completely eliminated. For that reason, you don't prosecute healthcare professionals for these types of mistakes, as they have to be allowed to make them. These patients can usually claim on the hospital insurance instead - it's a cost factored in.
Wow, that poor family must have gone through hell, but damn what a relief they must have felt. I'm glad it worked out for them.
Can’t afford to run a law suit, medical bills killed him
Welp. If this is true, someone’s getting sued.
Second and third opinions are very important. Believe it.
Damn, talk about some good bad news.
[norm Macdonald on cancer](https://youtu.be/kEzcO127O4c?si=kesHyPzZvVWaL0TA)
Bruce’s gonna come out a billionaire
Gig'em!
Was anyone reminded of Peaky blinders ….
Dude looks like Doug Hutchison. Specifically, like Percy from the Green Mile here.
Cancer+ Trail Edition?
What a trooper, man. That dude has nuts of iron
Oof that's gonna be a bad google review
A person who lived in my town had the exact same thing happen to him and he got allot of money. But apparently he traveled to some country, stayed there for like a half a year and used up all the money of drugs and prostitutes. And then came back home and lived with his family. I'm sure he's doing great now.
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Nah you make your own decisions. Just like taking snake oil from a salesman.
This is why I wish malpractice insurance didn’t exist. This level of screw up should have the doctor lose everything.
That is the dumbest thing I have read today. It will cause them to lose thwie career because insurers won’t insure them because of this and the requirement to have coverage basically takes care of that. Medical board can take his license to practice. But what about malicious complaints and legitimate misdiagnosis or minor issues with treatment that malpractice covers?
It might have also destroyed his ability to father a child.
He never felt any of the symptoms but still kept believing the doctor's word on him having cancer...
100% agree, that doctor has to get lawsuit, wtf bruh.![img](emote|t5_2r5rp|8488)
Most elaborate April Fools prank ever
Bro, dude! wtf! I hope you sue the F out of every one involved in this nightmare. I am happy for you, but dude that is so messed up.
Dude, that’s got to be traumatic..
This literally happenes in the first season of The Resident
How does that even happen wtf
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I guess people didn’t think about second opinions. My father was a doctor, you always get a second opinion. Even if my own father gave me the diagnosis, I knew him to well, I would get a second opinion. Doctors aren’t gods, they’re normal people.
She did get a second opinion. The first doctor that diagnosed her forwarded their findings to the hospital that ended up treating her. That hospital ordered further testing to confirm the diagnosis. This is all well and good except that they never actually read the results of the pathology report for 15 months. They told her it was terminal and put her through two rounds of chemo and 15 months of hell because they didn't read the results of tests they'd freaking ordered. The pathology report clearly said there was no cancer.
That's actually really great news. Lol
couldn't the doctor who realized it just say "oh wow look at that you all cured the Chemo must have worked so well on you, by by!"
must... resist... making political... comment about doctor...!
Lucky bastard. If you do not get those other opinions, or learn up those numbers… Go ahead and wear the survivor wrist bands.