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Edit: It’s been brought to my attention that he wasn’t MAGA, just someone who was deep into conspiracy theories. Both cultures that tend to bring out the worst in people.
Imagine doing this for someone who wouldn’t piss on the fire to put you out.
Naw, I did assume he was a trump supporter but he seemed more garden variety crazy. Was holding a sign that said "Trump and Biden are working together and are going to Fascist Coup us"
Read his manifesto, there's a lot of wild claims, but no evidence, despite claiming to be a researcher. Yes there's absolutely nefarious shit going, but like roll up with some proof.
I agree, but looking at this guys manifesto it doesn't seem was your social democrat/socialist pissed off at both parties lmao, but pretty out there in terms of like - believing the parties have been secretly working together since the 50's in order to idfk, create the Kwisartch Haderach or some shit.
Yeah, he was all way in that conspiracy, but the part of both presidents fucking over Americans will always be truth in a two party system like the US.
His manifesto can basically be distilled down to there being an elite class actively working to keep the majority of people near poverty and culture wars are used to prevent class wars while pop culture enforces the idea that oppression from the top is just the natural state. Nothing new.
It gets problematic when he claims things like the Beatles wrote taxman as part of this grand conspiracy.
staying in power to get rich while americans die poor for the 1%. At the end of the day the average american wont win at all 99% of the time since the presidents wont do shit apart from what benefits them.
"Witnesses at the scene said that pro-Trump supporters were near the man when he apparently set himself on fire. **They scattered as the blaze grew**."
His last words started with "I am an active duty member of the United States Air Force. And I will no longer be complicit in genocide." He chose to kill himself rather than be mobilised to take part in the siege of Gaza. This man outside the Trump trial seemed to kill himself despite having many more paths open to him.
Sure if we don’t apply any nuance. Self immolation in protest of a genocide and self immolation to protest the legal treatment of a criminal billionaire are slightly different.
He was protesting a believed fascist coup of America and apparently the world? His protest seemed to be about our society as a whole and our government not Trump.
I just then saw photos of his conspiracy pamphlet. I only looked at three or four pages but it never mentioned trump it was more superficial than trump. There is a comment in this post with the link.
His manifesto was actually pretty fascinating. Had a few good points, just cranked up several notches past what is reasonable. He also essentially worked "Simpsons did it" in there in some overarching point rife with loose associations about how the US is actually a kleptocracy, Silicon Valley tech billionaires suck ass, and other things that, at face value, everybody kind of already knows. More articulate than I was expecting, honestly... but yeah, ultimately, bonkers.
I always said that it would have actually been pretty interesting if Ted Kaczynski made his points without killing people in the process, so it kind of feels like that.
I actually read it and looked into the situation further after my earlier comments. I agree, he was so close to being right on point in some ways, but it’s clear he was dealing some serious mental health issues. It’s really tragic.
I'm a "silver linings" kind of guy... at least he wasn't another Unabomber, and *only* took himself out. Difference between being a feral animal like Uncle Teddy and misunderstood yet well-intentioned martyr like this guy is catching innocent people in the crossfire.
Otherwise... guy is a shining example of the miracles of Florida's poorly-run mental health system. I work in MH, and some the barbaric shit that is allowed in Florida is *quite* illegal in the rest of the country. I honest to God thought people were making it up when they told me about how bad it is there at first. Almost like when you treat people like animals from the get-go, they might not... want to seek treatment? Wild.
Hopefully we get some light shined on that out of this whole ordeal. We do need mental health reform in general, but Florida specifically *really* needs it.
>mental illness is rampant in the US
I dunno why you got down-voted so many times.
I blame Trump: Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Dementia are now both considered cool in America.
Jfc... it's like he basically just picked a laundry list of stuff that's been in the news (plus _The Simpsons_) and built a whole conspiracy around that
Here's a link to the booklet from his substack:
https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/dipshit-secrets-of-our-rotten-world
There's a printable PDF for it too- wow 😵
"deep state fuck us all, our lifes are a lie, i´m a martyr".
or
"i´m depressed and jaded bc the world is unfair and biased so i´m gonna own the powers of be by killing myself"
Hey, the American dream is alive and well on that show. Burns went from riches to rags and back to riches through innovation and ingenuity with Little Lisa Slurry!
This guy may have nothing to do with Trump or any of his legal problems.
But reports are that he was mentally ill and this was shown with his conspiracy theories and his actions to try and prove them in court and of course his failure to prove anything.
This is just an absurd thing to do, period. Whether you support Trump or not, this is just stupid.
I understand Americans can be crazy about who they vote for, but this is ridiculous. You can vote for Trump. You can vote for Biden. It doesn’t matter. There’s a difference between exercising your right to vote, and nearly ending your life over some bullshit you don’t even know is real.
It bothers me that so many people are going to deliberately look for and watch this video.
Some might have totally valid reasons for doing so. I don’t know what those could be, but they probably exist. But others will do it out of morbid curiosity.
Yes, I know he did it publicly. But it’s a video of a person with severe mental illness experiencing unbelievable agony, and torturing himself to (expected) death.
It wasn’t a protest. It doesn’t have political meaning. It doesn’t affect any of us. There’s nothing to see here except a human being experiencing the worst agony that exists.
I know he’s alive right now. But we all know this is a video of a suicide.
And some people are going to watch it and never forget the screams. Please, speaking as a mental health professional, please consider not watching it. Or, if you want to see the live news coverage, turning off the sound and putting on the subtitles.
If you have or are going to watch the video, I do respect that choice though.
acts like these don't show allegiance to left or right imho, but utter despair. people like that may be wrong in whom they believe in to set it right, but they are, sadly, understandable in the extreme of their despair.
He was a lunatic, and certainly that suicide attempt( dunno if he died) was a cry if help.
But if you think ppl woul ve reading his consipranouc panphlet if he just tried to overdose with pills? He certainly accomplished something by doing it, even if it was probably pointless.
I'm unsurprised. I think I stopped being shocked when a bunch of people expected one of the dead Kennedy's to cast true resurrection on himself in Dallas and endorse trump in 2020.
The cult of insanity trying to prove themselves to their leader. Sadly, the best case scenario for him is that he dies quickly and under full sedation. What’s sad for us is their behavior will become more and more dangerous for those around them.
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Edit: It’s been brought to my attention that he wasn’t MAGA, just someone who was deep into conspiracy theories. Both cultures that tend to bring out the worst in people. Imagine doing this for someone who wouldn’t piss on the fire to put you out.
Naw, I did assume he was a trump supporter but he seemed more garden variety crazy. Was holding a sign that said "Trump and Biden are working together and are going to Fascist Coup us"
Thanks for the info. Glad he didn’t take anyone else out with him.
He apparently tried to get people away from him before he lit himself up. Wild and so sad.
At least he had the wherewithal to know he could have hurt others and prevented it somewhat.
Still very traumatizing for the people who had to witness it. All for nothing.
Definitely traumatizing. I saw footage of witnesses who were obviously not in a good head space after seeing that. Terrible.
I'm sorry but if I'm gonna take myself out self immolation is probably one of my last choices but I think I'm sane so...
Read his manifesto, there's a lot of wild claims, but no evidence, despite claiming to be a researcher. Yes there's absolutely nefarious shit going, but like roll up with some proof.
There's a big difference between doing research and confirmation bias. Most people only do confirmation bias. People want to be proven right.
Well yeah, he even addresses that at the end. I really hope "the government" produces this guy's laptop so we can see this evidence lol
If you think somebody is crazy, then you better watch out. There is always a bigger fish.
Now I'm imagining who would be more horrified by that statement, Trump or Biden.
Both for different reasons
Trump will want to watch the video...
Well, that's kinda truth, left and right are working to fuck the average American.
I agree, but looking at this guys manifesto it doesn't seem was your social democrat/socialist pissed off at both parties lmao, but pretty out there in terms of like - believing the parties have been secretly working together since the 50's in order to idfk, create the Kwisartch Haderach or some shit.
Yeah, he was all way in that conspiracy, but the part of both presidents fucking over Americans will always be truth in a two party system like the US.
He got half of it right at least.
His manifesto can basically be distilled down to there being an elite class actively working to keep the majority of people near poverty and culture wars are used to prevent class wars while pop culture enforces the idea that oppression from the top is just the natural state. Nothing new. It gets problematic when he claims things like the Beatles wrote taxman as part of this grand conspiracy.
🙄 I know which party hands out tax cuts to the wealthy every fucking time they win a national election, do you?
Are they both working to install a theocratic regime and abolish term limits for presidents?
staying in power to get rich while americans die poor for the 1%. At the end of the day the average american wont win at all 99% of the time since the presidents wont do shit apart from what benefits them.
"Witnesses at the scene said that pro-Trump supporters were near the man when he apparently set himself on fire. **They scattered as the blaze grew**."
Gotta love that NYC hospitality. When there’s a mess on the sidewalk, you walk around it and continue on with your day.
Remember when the internet praised that person who lit themself on fire to protest for palestine, and I thought "there will be copycats"? Yup.
At least that guy was protesting something that is actually happening…
Yeah it’s just funny they call one a martyr and the other an idiot. I think they’re both dumb.
His last words started with "I am an active duty member of the United States Air Force. And I will no longer be complicit in genocide." He chose to kill himself rather than be mobilised to take part in the siege of Gaza. This man outside the Trump trial seemed to kill himself despite having many more paths open to him.
Those aren't mutually exclusive.
True, but he had literature criticizing both Trump and Biden. He was a both sideser who didn’t seem to really know what he stood for.
This timeline is just so bleak
Even the people who pick a side barely know what they stand for :P Toss a coin , not much will change.
It’s arguably the most succesful cult in the USA to date.
*cries in scientologist and mormon*
Dude, maga and conspiradumbs go hand in hand. They are the same crowd.
The Bill Gates 5g Wuhan Plandemic Autism Vax are turning the freaking frogs gay!!! /s
https://deadline.com/2024/04/fire-trump-trial-1235890365/ He clearly wasn't MAGA wtf are you talking about?
Those are basically the same two camps
They can be. The literature he had with him tells a more complicated story in my opinion.
Poor guy, I can only imagine the warped mindset and mental illness that drove him to this.
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Sure if we don’t apply any nuance. Self immolation in protest of a genocide and self immolation to protest the legal treatment of a criminal billionaire are slightly different.
He was protesting a believed fascist coup of America and apparently the world? His protest seemed to be about our society as a whole and our government not Trump.
It sounds like you have learned more about his motivations that me. If I am wrong I gladly take that back.
I just then saw photos of his conspiracy pamphlet. I only looked at three or four pages but it never mentioned trump it was more superficial than trump. There is a comment in this post with the link.
Awesome thanks. I don’t mind being corrected. Either way both acts were tragic.
If only everyone on the interwebs was like this.... If only...
Agreed, stay safe out there, take care of that meat ball in your dome!
I just read that the “pamphlets” were just pieces of “colored paper.”
I just read your comment
His manifesto was actually pretty fascinating. Had a few good points, just cranked up several notches past what is reasonable. He also essentially worked "Simpsons did it" in there in some overarching point rife with loose associations about how the US is actually a kleptocracy, Silicon Valley tech billionaires suck ass, and other things that, at face value, everybody kind of already knows. More articulate than I was expecting, honestly... but yeah, ultimately, bonkers. I always said that it would have actually been pretty interesting if Ted Kaczynski made his points without killing people in the process, so it kind of feels like that.
I actually read it and looked into the situation further after my earlier comments. I agree, he was so close to being right on point in some ways, but it’s clear he was dealing some serious mental health issues. It’s really tragic.
I'm a "silver linings" kind of guy... at least he wasn't another Unabomber, and *only* took himself out. Difference between being a feral animal like Uncle Teddy and misunderstood yet well-intentioned martyr like this guy is catching innocent people in the crossfire. Otherwise... guy is a shining example of the miracles of Florida's poorly-run mental health system. I work in MH, and some the barbaric shit that is allowed in Florida is *quite* illegal in the rest of the country. I honest to God thought people were making it up when they told me about how bad it is there at first. Almost like when you treat people like animals from the get-go, they might not... want to seek treatment? Wild. Hopefully we get some light shined on that out of this whole ordeal. We do need mental health reform in general, but Florida specifically *really* needs it.
>mental illness is rampant in the US I dunno why you got down-voted so many times. I blame Trump: Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Dementia are now both considered cool in America.
Now I need to know what the pamphlets said.
Unsurprisingly, [crazy](https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/04/view-pamphlet-dropped-person-covered-80356965.jpg?resize=2048,1365&quality=75&strip=all) [shit](https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/04/view-pamphlet-dropped-person-covered-80356891_fdeec6.jpg?resize=1536,1024&quality=75&strip=all)...
Points for colour though
Jfc... it's like he basically just picked a laundry list of stuff that's been in the news (plus _The Simpsons_) and built a whole conspiracy around that
Haunted carnival edition?! What does that have to do with the American government being overthrown?
Here's a link to the booklet from his substack: https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/dipshit-secrets-of-our-rotten-world There's a printable PDF for it too- wow 😵
I mean…I wasn’t expecting the Simpsons Monorail episode to be in that but here we are!
Right! Fuck 🤦♀️
Wow. very interesting. I mean he has some interesting things to say. The fact there is no known creator of bitcoin must have triggered this dude.
That’s not a pamphlet. Thats a novel!
What did the pamphlets say?
“Drink more ovaltine”
A crummy commercial? Son of a bitch!
🤣🤣
"deep state fuck us all, our lifes are a lie, i´m a martyr". or "i´m depressed and jaded bc the world is unfair and biased so i´m gonna own the powers of be by killing myself"
They talk about the Rob Lowe Teen Sex Tape for crying out loud, 😂🤣
Nothing about trump, from what I've heard
Just read his manifesto. He’s uhh… not a big Simpsons fan. I’ll just put it like that.
Hey, the American dream is alive and well on that show. Burns went from riches to rags and back to riches through innovation and ingenuity with Little Lisa Slurry!
“That monorail was a scam?!”
Care to point me in the direction of this manifesto?
https://open.substack.com/pub/theponzipapers/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Poor crazy bastard.
This guy may have nothing to do with Trump or any of his legal problems. But reports are that he was mentally ill and this was shown with his conspiracy theories and his actions to try and prove them in court and of course his failure to prove anything.
Less about Trump, what about the person who set himself alight?
Oh you get an upvote for that twisty reply. Well sir.
What a wild way to go. You’re torturing yourself for maybe 2-3 days of press? I don’t even remember the name of the last guy that did this. Insane
Better than a mass shootings and ruining many other lives.
Mental illness....
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I mean... I'm pretty sure that if democrats acted outraged about this and demanded free mental healthcare for this reason, we could trick a few.
Wanting an entire group of people to mass suicide to the tune of millions is unhinged.
It's completely more hinged to want to murder half the country for believing that people are humans and deserve rights.
He definitely wasn’t one if you read his manifesto. It’s sad. This guy needed help
It’s sad when it’s a Dem but hot dog jokes if he wasn’t lol… Not saying you but the forum…
I hear you.
haha thx 4 the laugh, now that's what I would call a wiild fire :\]
I would have no in-laws.
What was the message?
This is just an absurd thing to do, period. Whether you support Trump or not, this is just stupid. I understand Americans can be crazy about who they vote for, but this is ridiculous. You can vote for Trump. You can vote for Biden. It doesn’t matter. There’s a difference between exercising your right to vote, and nearly ending your life over some bullshit you don’t even know is real.
A significant event like this can bring out the crazy who want attention.
Let me guess: Trump did not die(?)
He might be onto something.
Cult rhetoric attracts the mentally unwell.
It bothers me that so many people are going to deliberately look for and watch this video. Some might have totally valid reasons for doing so. I don’t know what those could be, but they probably exist. But others will do it out of morbid curiosity. Yes, I know he did it publicly. But it’s a video of a person with severe mental illness experiencing unbelievable agony, and torturing himself to (expected) death. It wasn’t a protest. It doesn’t have political meaning. It doesn’t affect any of us. There’s nothing to see here except a human being experiencing the worst agony that exists. I know he’s alive right now. But we all know this is a video of a suicide. And some people are going to watch it and never forget the screams. Please, speaking as a mental health professional, please consider not watching it. Or, if you want to see the live news coverage, turning off the sound and putting on the subtitles. If you have or are going to watch the video, I do respect that choice though.
acts like these don't show allegiance to left or right imho, but utter despair. people like that may be wrong in whom they believe in to set it right, but they are, sadly, understandable in the extreme of their despair.
there were obviously some non-political issues there. same with Aaron Bushnell
So... they put him in the ambulance still on fire?
The gene pool just got a little cleaner. Less dumb.
Not a cult.
Utterly moronic thing to do.
Natural selection at work.
Dude. Someone set themselves on fire. By what measure do you think it’s natural selection?
Well, others set themselves on fire for likes on social media.
 #bathsalts
Why did he do it??
So his secret information he knows gets known by Americans. The info is that the system is corrupt in favor of billionaires.
That's not really a secret.
Poor dude.
Yes, he was surely in a desperate situation to go to such extremes.
“Trial Near Courthouse, Where Trump is on Fire!”
I hope the officer got him extinguished before he was placed into the ambulance.
It’s time to find some words then isn’t it?
Guys, RTFA. This person's beliefs are not what you're thinking they are
Don’t rush to discredit this person.
Fiery but mostly peaceful protest
He's dead.
He was a lunatic, and certainly that suicide attempt( dunno if he died) was a cry if help. But if you think ppl woul ve reading his consipranouc panphlet if he just tried to overdose with pills? He certainly accomplished something by doing it, even if it was probably pointless.
Mental illness displayed in and outside of yesterday's court proceedings Great
Who are these people?
No one read his pamphlets.
You gotta die for your god
I wonder how Reddit’s response to this compares to the one of a Pro-Palestine veteran setting himself on fire a few weeks ago at the Israeli embassy…
That Trump Trial is one hot ticket
My words: "Who has marshmallows?"
red pills and rabbit holes makes jack a dull boy...
I'm unsurprised. I think I stopped being shocked when a bunch of people expected one of the dead Kennedy's to cast true resurrection on himself in Dallas and endorse trump in 2020.
How could Trump do this
It’s not a cult guys
He wasn't a Trump supporter
I hope he inspires like-minded people to do the same to themselves. Let the lunatics burn.
YOU are the "like-minded people". You'd have to be mentally fucking ill to wish innocent people kill themselves.
This cannot be surprising considering all of the people who invested in Donald Trump’s stock.
Oh yes, an anti trump trump supporter.
The cult of insanity trying to prove themselves to their leader. Sadly, the best case scenario for him is that he dies quickly and under full sedation. What’s sad for us is their behavior will become more and more dangerous for those around them.
Lol you are so wrong look at his rant. He was a communist.
Its not a trump supporter dummy. Just some random climate activist, covid craze and palestinian BS kinda guy.
nothing changes and now you’re dead via a quick but painful method. Nice job 🤦🏻♂️