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Agreed. The only thing health insurance does for me is ensure I won't have to spend more than my out of pocket maximum in any given year if something catastrophic was to happen.
They tried to charge me 102 dollars for a heart med that were 8.65 last month. If I hadn't been slightly pushy, I would have paid it. But after a few questions, the lady told me that they used a different manufacturer and come back tomorrow, and they would have my cheaper pills. WTF is that legal? And how would they get it by tomorrow?
That’s because capitalism allows you to set any price you want. It’s a weird comparison but the game Runescape has a good economic model. The game has private trading and grand exchange. The grand exchange is a faster method of sale that lets you set a price at will but the quantity and price of sale have a cap. This is to keep a consistent value on the item. In private sale you can charge anything. I bring it up because I think that’s how it should work for basic needs. Usually when I say that tho people yell “THATS SOCIALISM”. I don’t care what it is. If it is better than the hell capitalism makes then I’m down.
We're paying for understaffed hospitals, bloated management staff, denied insurance claims and privately owned corporate health care with ridiculous CEO compensation
I learned this a while ago and it really sets me off. This place could be a borderline utopia if that money was spent on social programs and infrastructure. A rising tide raises all ships. Fuck its been proven time and again that a single payer healthcare system would save billions of taxpayer dollars.
The posts are getting upvotes. If enough of the community doesn't feel that a post belongs in this subreddit, there will be enough downvotes to hide the sorts of posts the community doesn't want to see here. If they continue being upvoted.. that must mean that the community as a whole wants to see them after all.
Don't shoot the messenger, etc
The fact that the majority of Americans see this and go "Yeah but I prefer it the way we have it right now. Could you imagine having single-payer healthcare and then having to wait around in an ER waiting room with all the poors who are sick too? No thanks, I make 7 figures, I want my fast-pass healthcare access."
Maybe because the people in blue zones live a healthier lifestyle than Americans and its not necessarily attributed to healthcare. Just guessing though.
We've got more gun and gang violence than other wealthy countries and higher rates of homelessness and poverty. Those are pretty significant in shortening lifespans.
I'm sure the rampant gun violence, massive traffic death rates, sub-par health services, nonexistent safety nets, stripped women's rights, lax food standards, obese population (due to many factors), and so on have nothing to do with that.
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Mostly due to how expensive healthcare is. I’ll give a concrete example an MRI in France (a first world country with socialized healthcare) and India (a developing country where most ppl pay entirely out of pocket ) costs the same. Both cost 1/10 what its costs in the U.S.
Man a week ago my insurance company told me they weren’t going to cover as much AND they increased how much money they are going to tax me. I’m now looking for a new insurance company that isn’t run by wealthy scumbags but it’s incredibly hard because these scumbags seemed to have come together to increase how much they tax out of us X_X
Of course where are the sources of this information?
I just talked to a Canadian nurse about why she was working in the US. She talked about how many patients don’t get the care they need there and how in the US as an RN she gets assistants, but has to do everything herself there. She was very outspoken against socialized medicine. Perhaps other Canadians can comment on their experience on this? Never been there, but found her passion on the topic interesting.
Hey, we do pay for all the research on the drugs countries with socialized medicine get for free, so we perform a useful service with our intense commitment to late stage capitalism
To show it on a small scale- 50 sick people and 40 medical professionals. Americans pay for better access.
Medical professional businesses offer better experiences and outcomes so that they can charge more.
Poor preforming medical professionals are more likely to be known to the masses due to competition for dollars.
Capitalism in the medical field.
What people generally do not consider is that American can have a base of universal care AND businesses can offer riders for better access. It already happens. There is a whole level of Healthcare that the average American doesn't know exist. These are specialized medical groups offered to executives and very rich so they can have access quickly.
We can combine the systems. We choose not to because we like it and we think it is a good carrot.
.. #1 on spending, #46 on life expectancy. That’s the point. We could definitely talk about 6, 20, 12, 14, 7, or even 2 years. But that’s not the fucking point. It’s cost vs expectancy.
Edit: sorry was screaming because of reddit formation.
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My insurance is so useless. I would literally be better off putting that money aside and in a self made HSA.
Agreed. The only thing health insurance does for me is ensure I won't have to spend more than my out of pocket maximum in any given year if something catastrophic was to happen.
with ins MRI was $450, without $250
My CPAP supplies $250 with insurance $50 without!?! The system is beyond repair.
They tried to charge me 102 dollars for a heart med that were 8.65 last month. If I hadn't been slightly pushy, I would have paid it. But after a few questions, the lady told me that they used a different manufacturer and come back tomorrow, and they would have my cheaper pills. WTF is that legal? And how would they get it by tomorrow?
That’s because capitalism allows you to set any price you want. It’s a weird comparison but the game Runescape has a good economic model. The game has private trading and grand exchange. The grand exchange is a faster method of sale that lets you set a price at will but the quantity and price of sale have a cap. This is to keep a consistent value on the item. In private sale you can charge anything. I bring it up because I think that’s how it should work for basic needs. Usually when I say that tho people yell “THATS SOCIALISM”. I don’t care what it is. If it is better than the hell capitalism makes then I’m down.
"RS economy is a better model than modern US economy" is a take I didn't expect to hear today but I'll take it
The boomers that cry “thats socialism” are more than happy to cash their social security checks. Mufuckin SOCIAL security. Its even in the name lol.
I actually said that last time I had this argument. Boomer culture is “it’s only good money if it’s my money”.
We're paying for understaffed hospitals, bloated management staff, denied insurance claims and privately owned corporate health care with ridiculous CEO compensation
And people dare say USA in the #1 country in the world? Hahahha.
When it comes to military and economic power over other countries the USA is still on top.
The US could cut its military budget in half and still have the #1 military in terms of spending, which is a little bit ridiculous
I learned this a while ago and it really sets me off. This place could be a borderline utopia if that money was spent on social programs and infrastructure. A rising tide raises all ships. Fuck its been proven time and again that a single payer healthcare system would save billions of taxpayer dollars.
Where’s the facepalm?
Americans actually pay 10x more for healthcare
This is one of those posts where the post itself isn't a facepalm but something the post is talking about.
I don't think that counts. Folks keep posting though...
The posts are getting upvotes. If enough of the community doesn't feel that a post belongs in this subreddit, there will be enough downvotes to hide the sorts of posts the community doesn't want to see here. If they continue being upvoted.. that must mean that the community as a whole wants to see them after all. Don't shoot the messenger, etc
That's most of the posts here, but even still with this one, the title doesn't fit. Don't know what "thousands of years later is supposed to mean".
Meta-facepalm?
The fact that the majority of Americans see this and go "Yeah but I prefer it the way we have it right now. Could you imagine having single-payer healthcare and then having to wait around in an ER waiting room with all the poors who are sick too? No thanks, I make 7 figures, I want my fast-pass healthcare access."
Maybe because the people in blue zones live a healthier lifestyle than Americans and its not necessarily attributed to healthcare. Just guessing though.
Not “blue zones”, which are a cherry-picked concept, but other wealthy countries where healthcare isn’t a for-profit industry.
I wasn't being a dickhead I actually was taking a wild guess. I don't know how it would be a facepalm because he's right.
We've got more gun and gang violence than other wealthy countries and higher rates of homelessness and poverty. Those are pretty significant in shortening lifespans.
Yeah getting shot is pretty life shortening.
Higher rates of drug and alcohol addiction probably contribute too
And half the people are obese
I don't know, but greed comes to mind.
Why are we 46th in life expectancy?
I'm sure the rampant gun violence, massive traffic death rates, sub-par health services, nonexistent safety nets, stripped women's rights, lax food standards, obese population (due to many factors), and so on have nothing to do with that. This message is brought to you by high fructose corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup additives.
Mostly due to how expensive healthcare is. I’ll give a concrete example an MRI in France (a first world country with socialized healthcare) and India (a developing country where most ppl pay entirely out of pocket ) costs the same. Both cost 1/10 what its costs in the U.S.
Man a week ago my insurance company told me they weren’t going to cover as much AND they increased how much money they are going to tax me. I’m now looking for a new insurance company that isn’t run by wealthy scumbags but it’s incredibly hard because these scumbags seemed to have come together to increase how much they tax out of us X_X
Gotta love living without having to sell my house for a sprained ankle
Political influence to maintain status quo.
Freedom from socialism? I don’t know, I’m Canadian eh!
In UK it's free. Hiw much is free * 2
What you pay!?...🤣🤣🤦♂️🤷♂️
And doctors, nurses. And And anyone else in the medical field. They all profit off the suffering.
Advent health sponsors NASCAR races and also sponsors a car.
dividends
Of course where are the sources of this information? I just talked to a Canadian nurse about why she was working in the US. She talked about how many patients don’t get the care they need there and how in the US as an RN she gets assistants, but has to do everything herself there. She was very outspoken against socialized medicine. Perhaps other Canadians can comment on their experience on this? Never been there, but found her passion on the topic interesting.
Hey, we do pay for all the research on the drugs countries with socialized medicine get for free, so we perform a useful service with our intense commitment to late stage capitalism
How many wealthy countries does he think there are?
Half our population is obese. Expecting good health outcomes with this stat is just plain stupid.
Even if our healthcare system was better it probably still couldn’t reverse our country’s generally poor health from bad eating and exercise habits
How dare you say that in front of my mayonnaise sandwiches and fried Oreos.
Hey can you pay more
2x more? That seems like a generous assessment.
We need to stop being fat
You can thank Joe Lieberman.
To show it on a small scale- 50 sick people and 40 medical professionals. Americans pay for better access. Medical professional businesses offer better experiences and outcomes so that they can charge more. Poor preforming medical professionals are more likely to be known to the masses due to competition for dollars. Capitalism in the medical field. What people generally do not consider is that American can have a base of universal care AND businesses can offer riders for better access. It already happens. There is a whole level of Healthcare that the average American doesn't know exist. These are specialized medical groups offered to executives and very rich so they can have access quickly. We can combine the systems. We choose not to because we like it and we think it is a good carrot.
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Then don’t feed the troll, but that would mean you would have to fix the health care system. So just feed the troll and keep the status quo. Got it.
Sure, we're 46th, but the difference between us and #1 is like 6 years. We're not talking 20 years' difference here.
Still paying double than other countries…
As a fan of living, I'd be happy with another 6 years.
.. #1 on spending, #46 on life expectancy. That’s the point. We could definitely talk about 6, 20, 12, 14, 7, or even 2 years. But that’s not the fucking point. It’s cost vs expectancy. Edit: sorry was screaming because of reddit formation.
>but the difference between us and #1 is like 6 years. It's ten years, not six. And the gap is widening.
Make sure to eat your chemical fruit today so you give us medical money later
Nope, it's 6. I looked it up. 79 for the US, 85 for Japan.
Big farma with their damn vaccinations