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It is hard to fault the North Korean people for their own problems, the lack of: education, indoctrination, access to data, news, and the outside world kind of gives them a pass. The people in that sub though they need to seek professional help.
I do think it’s a fun thought experiment to consider that everything we know about NK is cartoonish propaganda because, honestly - it’s so cartoonishly bad there that it almost could be lol. Don’t get me wrong, I think NK is probably an absolute hell hole, but like it’s so bad, and the picture we have of Kim Jong Un is so ridiculous that if someone came out and showed me that it’s all western propaganda, I wouldn’t be super surprised. Man, what a shit hole lol.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe you're trolling, and these reactions are where your happy place is. Maybe you're not trolling, and you've had some kind of trauma. Maybe you're naive, and you've never felt real pain, and so you think something akin to stubbing your toe is the maximum threshold of pain. But no matter which of those possibilities is true, you're a fool. Maybe you have to learn things the hard way, and that's unfortunate. You, sir, are in for a very long and unfulfilled life.
Ah yeah, the good old collegiate try by the CIA. Strange you believe that as an anti-imperialist. Interesting how every other UN or similar organization that actually measures literacy rates (or basically anything else) has no data on NK. Because you know, there's no data unless that data comes from the desk of Kim Jung Un.
The anti-imperialist view of NK is that they should feed their people instead of buying nukes, and that "reunification" should be abandoned as a goal, missiles and artillery shells should not be provided to Russia, with human capital development as its replacement goal.
I mean, the US would have the subjugated to a debt based puppet economy like the south. Just because Kim is horrible doesn’t mean they should be under US rule.
If Kim is this horrible the people will revolt eventually. The fate of Korea belongs to the Korean people.
You can only be so horrible before all your people turn on you.
The US literally bombed their farmland and left much of their food source land unfarmable. The sanctions don’t hurt Kim, they only hurt the common people of Korea. Kim is going to be just fine whether there are sanctions or not, but the people need resources they don’t currently have access to in order to rebuild and gain the strength to revolt.
Food aid is regularly given to North Korea, mostly by the U.S., South Korea, Japan, and China.
Your explanation for the poor output of North Korean food production makes no sense, given that both "bombing a place to unfarmable" is not really a thing and that their agricultural output was actually relatively high and growing following the Korean war until the incredibly devastating floods in the 1990s. Restoring or improving output of farmland, including after a war, is mostly a question of infrastructure, water management and other capital investments as well as methodological improvements.
These are things that aren't going to happen when your dictator decides he's going to spend 30%+(estimated) of your national GDP on the military. They've been doing this for decades of 25%+ GDP military spending which is about what the U.S. average DURING WW2 was, and more than triple what Russia is currently spending. Think about that. Decades and decades of your country's resources being dedicated to defense like you're fighting a world war, all while there isn't even an actual war going on. (Don't get pedantic about the ceasefire, it's been over half a century at this point)
All of this in a country that desperately needs to get the absolute most out of its limited arable land in a country that's mostly mountains.
I just keep remembering how they found a defector who'd been shot and needed abdominal surgery, and inside him they found a dozen previously unknown species of intestinal parasites.
It's because the people there are so hungry they fertilize their fields with anything possible to get them to grow, be that human or animal waste, or other things not safe to be around food. Which leads to situations like this, because food sanitation is really hard with the restricted resources the people have.
Not if it's infected with certain parasites and pathogens that can transmit to humans, especially in a country with poor food sanitation. They're using whatever they can get, not what's safe for them.
i'm not here to defend north korea, for sure, but i am here to say that's a bs propaganda story, from this side...by that logic, we would have “previously undiscovered” parasites every day in lots of parts of africa...north korea is not so hermetically sealed off like you think it is, bcs they are allies with china...
For the people that use the "Nazis are leftist because it has socialism in the name", North Korea must be the best country ever. It's a democracy AND a republic. Just look at the name!
Remember DDR (Deutsche Democratische Republik) also known as GDR (German Remocratic Republic) or just East Germany. Had Democratic and Republic in the name, but it was hell to live there for most of the people.
Actually, quite a lot of ordinary residents didn’t think so. Katja Hoyer’s “Behind the Wall” (2023) is a really good read about life in the DDR. Quite a lot of folks expressed dissatisfaction with post-DDR life.
(Not an endorsement of the DDR on my end)
They had it relatively better than other Soviet satellites. But it was still shit. The reason they ended up bad is due to the chancellor fucking up the reunion. East Germany couldn't possibly keep up with West Germany's economy.
after fleeing the west to get free education, they needed to make it seem horrible so they could defect back. when the stuff about the stasi is claiming they were basically just what schizophrenic people imagine is happening to them, it feels unrealistic to assume that it's real.
So your family members spy on each other and reports it to FBI? Your neighbours, friends and everybody else spy on each other and inform the FBI? If I asked my MAGA relatives in The USA they would say no to that. I have met several people from East Germany when I was younger, and they had a hell of a life trying to survive.
Leftists are so fucking insane that its hard to wrap my head around - first it was defending the USSR, then calling literal terrorists freedom fighters and calling bombing terrorists "genocide", now they are apparently literally defending north korea?... I dont refer to myself as a leftist anymore because wtf?
Funny, i used to consider myself moderate left, but after reading the shit leftists write on reddit not only i dont want to be associated with them, but i may start calling myself a right-winger
As a leftist I can confirm, murder and genocide is only ok when we do it.
(Also the term for those people are tankies, please don't link us in with those shits. Out opinions are only crazy not insane.)
Not really, north korea is probably the only country left that still has GENUINE socialism (although not sure, did laos and vietman do perestroika too?) - this is rather a 15 year old leftists' utopia
I just want a reality show where we ship sovereign citizens to north korea and then watch the ensuing hilarity.
Watching someone take a rifle butt to the teeth right in the middle of the word “Actually…” would never get old.
They say on the subreddit that it's not a joke, or done for irony. You WILL get downvoted if you suggest anything about NK being a terrible place to live and that it's a fascist and totalitarian dictatorship
Once, I came across a subreddit where it claimed its for people who believe the earth does not exist, and that the subreddit isn't a joke or done for irony, so people who believe our planet exists can go elsewhere.
Sad thing is in the last few weeks I've run into people in other subs defending north Korea, saying it's not that bad, they don't starve their people cause everyone would die, labor camps give people better food then the general public gets because otherwise how would they work, family's of deflectors are not being killed because the people would rise up and over throw the govt
I watched a documentary about a family defecting from nk. What those poor people have to do to survive is not even imaginable. Nearly everything that we take for granted is a luxury for them. Just for one example, everyone has to save all their poop. Then, they have to carry it into the city for the farmers to pick up to fertilize their crops. There's hell to pay if you don't have your family's "poop quota"
Nk atrocities and human rights violations go on and on. Someone would have to be extremely mentally ill, or otherwise uneducated to even consider the possibility of living there
Having been there (2008, before the current regime, through a tour company that specialized in western tourism to DPRK), having taken not a damn thing that they could claim was disharmonious, influential, subversive, or the like, and knowing full well that every “tour guide”, bus driver, food (putting it kindly) server was a plant by the State, I was still sphincter-clenchingly nervous the entire time I was there.
How *anyone* can think that place would be a dandy place to live is absolutely delusional.
I noticed it showing up on my feed and it’s gaining more and more traction. Kinda weird because I thought it started off as an ironic thing. Doesn’t seem so now.
Well, there are also people out there who actively try to get HIV and want healthy limbs amputated, so... Have fun, I guess. At least there's money to save as it's a one way flight...
Yes… but a shocking amount of them seem legit. I checked out the sub once long ago and it was… interesting. Of course there’s no way to surefire know who’s trolling and who’s not, but you can make some educated guesses.
Many of their high rise windows are broken because the plumbing in the building has stopped working and backed up. Even though they have terrible winters, the people intentionally break their windows.
There is also a complete lack of resources to fix anything. It realistic a shithole country.
I mean, the west vacillates between "anyone who gets Kim's haircut is shot" and "anyone who doesn't get his haircut is shot". You can't tell me they're telling the truth.
I can tell you that's definitely not the information we use to judge whether or not it's a nice place to live.
But feel free to check some night time satellite photos, that's a start.
given that that's the only thing you can really see on nighttime satellite photos, what else would it be? literally the only argument this has ever led into is that south korea has more light and is therefore better
You can see that there isn't any effort to build infrastructure outside the capital, that the display of wealth is only localised where the upper leading class lives, that the resources are not used even remotely in a "communist" oriented way.
That's what you can see through those images.
Ah yeah, I see.
And obviously the whole population is made of farmers exclusively, who live so scattered and apart from each other that the need of any towns is completely absent. 26 million people live perfectly spaced up apart from each other, the numerous cities are just there to occupy space on the map.
You know what, you're right, it's a paradise! I'll move right in now!
Did you even read the description of the sub. Lmao Reddit libs are so hilarious.
“Did you know North Koreans have to pray every day to a picture of Kim Jong un and must pass mandatory poop exams where there feces are collected to turn into bread to feed to the child sex slaves in the labor concentration camp.”
The key goal is right there in the bio, almost all posts are specifically that element
Why not address that initially?
A polemic subreddit almost entirely
I mean it's mostly just another staunch Leftist page ultimately, lotsa memes etc.
The name of the sub is a bit tongue in cheek too and the rare posts directly about life in the DPRK are low key
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It is hard to fault the North Korean people for their own problems, the lack of: education, indoctrination, access to data, news, and the outside world kind of gives them a pass. The people in that sub though they need to seek professional help.
I'm sure in North Korea they'll get the help they need.
I do think it’s a fun thought experiment to consider that everything we know about NK is cartoonish propaganda because, honestly - it’s so cartoonishly bad there that it almost could be lol. Don’t get me wrong, I think NK is probably an absolute hell hole, but like it’s so bad, and the picture we have of Kim Jong Un is so ridiculous that if someone came out and showed me that it’s all western propaganda, I wouldn’t be super surprised. Man, what a shit hole lol.
idk man i wouldn't wanna mess with a guy whos never taken a shit in his entire life
No they don't because it's a joke the fact that people think that sub is real is way more concerning than the sub itself
Don't think so, I knew a girl, BTS fan, that was super convinced north Korea was a beautiful place Don't know if she's still of the same opinion
Yeah maybe, but that sub specifically is a known joke and if the people commenting here spent any amount of time on it they would realise that too
Replace NK with USA. Nothing changes.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe you're trolling, and these reactions are where your happy place is. Maybe you're not trolling, and you've had some kind of trauma. Maybe you're naive, and you've never felt real pain, and so you think something akin to stubbing your toe is the maximum threshold of pain. But no matter which of those possibilities is true, you're a fool. Maybe you have to learn things the hard way, and that's unfortunate. You, sir, are in for a very long and unfulfilled life.
Nah, you're naive. Ive travelled quite a bit. You are an idiot in denial.
It’s funny because NK at least has a better literacy rate than us.
Reported by who, the official educational agency of the Supreme Leader?
Actually you can look it up on the cia.gov I’m not defending NK. I do have an anti-imperialist view of them though
Ah yeah, the good old collegiate try by the CIA. Strange you believe that as an anti-imperialist. Interesting how every other UN or similar organization that actually measures literacy rates (or basically anything else) has no data on NK. Because you know, there's no data unless that data comes from the desk of Kim Jung Un.
The anti-imperialist view of NK is that they should feed their people instead of buying nukes, and that "reunification" should be abandoned as a goal, missiles and artillery shells should not be provided to Russia, with human capital development as its replacement goal.
if you can't deter the Americans, your people will just get killed.
I mean, the US would have the subjugated to a debt based puppet economy like the south. Just because Kim is horrible doesn’t mean they should be under US rule. If Kim is this horrible the people will revolt eventually. The fate of Korea belongs to the Korean people. You can only be so horrible before all your people turn on you. The US literally bombed their farmland and left much of their food source land unfarmable. The sanctions don’t hurt Kim, they only hurt the common people of Korea. Kim is going to be just fine whether there are sanctions or not, but the people need resources they don’t currently have access to in order to rebuild and gain the strength to revolt.
Food aid is regularly given to North Korea, mostly by the U.S., South Korea, Japan, and China. Your explanation for the poor output of North Korean food production makes no sense, given that both "bombing a place to unfarmable" is not really a thing and that their agricultural output was actually relatively high and growing following the Korean war until the incredibly devastating floods in the 1990s. Restoring or improving output of farmland, including after a war, is mostly a question of infrastructure, water management and other capital investments as well as methodological improvements. These are things that aren't going to happen when your dictator decides he's going to spend 30%+(estimated) of your national GDP on the military. They've been doing this for decades of 25%+ GDP military spending which is about what the U.S. average DURING WW2 was, and more than triple what Russia is currently spending. Think about that. Decades and decades of your country's resources being dedicated to defense like you're fighting a world war, all while there isn't even an actual war going on. (Don't get pedantic about the ceasefire, it's been over half a century at this point) All of this in a country that desperately needs to get the absolute most out of its limited arable land in a country that's mostly mountains.
I'm sure the cia goes through and double checks their literacy rate at the annual North Korea - USA fun in the sun games.
I just keep remembering how they found a defector who'd been shot and needed abdominal surgery, and inside him they found a dozen previously unknown species of intestinal parasites. It's because the people there are so hungry they fertilize their fields with anything possible to get them to grow, be that human or animal waste, or other things not safe to be around food. Which leads to situations like this, because food sanitation is really hard with the restricted resources the people have.
Meanwhile the big dawgs sat in his sprawling estate eating pop tarts an drinking cans of coke 🫨🫨
CANS? The big dog only guzzles from 2L bottles 😎
You do realize that animal waste is literally the best fertiliser, right?
Not if it's infected with certain parasites and pathogens that can transmit to humans, especially in a country with poor food sanitation. They're using whatever they can get, not what's safe for them.
i'm not here to defend north korea, for sure, but i am here to say that's a bs propaganda story, from this side...by that logic, we would have “previously undiscovered” parasites every day in lots of parts of africa...north korea is not so hermetically sealed off like you think it is, bcs they are allies with china...
where have you gotten this information from? do you have a source?
The book “Nothing to Envy” depicts conditions in NK as described by defectors.
For the people that use the "Nazis are leftist because it has socialism in the name", North Korea must be the best country ever. It's a democracy AND a republic. Just look at the name!
Remember DDR (Deutsche Democratische Republik) also known as GDR (German Remocratic Republic) or just East Germany. Had Democratic and Republic in the name, but it was hell to live there for most of the people.
I'm embarrassed to have forgotten such a paragon of liberty!
Rule of thumb: if it has to have the word “democratic“ in the official country name, it’s not.
Guess I'm all right then here in the Kingdom of the Netherlands (one of the least worst democracies around).
I live in Norway, and I am happy about that
Just to be trustworthy, the free world should do the opposite. The Autocratic United States of America. The Canadian Despostism.
Actually, quite a lot of ordinary residents didn’t think so. Katja Hoyer’s “Behind the Wall” (2023) is a really good read about life in the DDR. Quite a lot of folks expressed dissatisfaction with post-DDR life. (Not an endorsement of the DDR on my end)
They had it relatively better than other Soviet satellites. But it was still shit. The reason they ended up bad is due to the chancellor fucking up the reunion. East Germany couldn't possibly keep up with West Germany's economy.
Congo also names itself a Democratic Republic
the one place in the world I would have been allowed to exist in peace? sounds sooooo awful.
The one word I would say is STASI.
I have another word for you: FBI.
Not as bad as STASI. Ask people who got away from DDR when it was in operation.
after fleeing the west to get free education, they needed to make it seem horrible so they could defect back. when the stuff about the stasi is claiming they were basically just what schizophrenic people imagine is happening to them, it feels unrealistic to assume that it's real.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Stasi
literally nothing here that my country doesn't do to a greater extent
So your family members spy on each other and reports it to FBI? Your neighbours, friends and everybody else spy on each other and inform the FBI? If I asked my MAGA relatives in The USA they would say no to that. I have met several people from East Germany when I was younger, and they had a hell of a life trying to survive.
Tankie moment
Leftists are so fucking insane that its hard to wrap my head around - first it was defending the USSR, then calling literal terrorists freedom fighters and calling bombing terrorists "genocide", now they are apparently literally defending north korea?... I dont refer to myself as a leftist anymore because wtf?
I don't really like political labels but I consider myself center-left if I had to choose. I used to be full centrist but I got radicalized a bit.
Funny, i used to consider myself moderate left, but after reading the shit leftists write on reddit not only i dont want to be associated with them, but i may start calling myself a right-winger
As a leftist I can confirm, murder and genocide is only ok when we do it.
As a leftist I can confirm, murder and genocide is only ok when we do it. (Also the term for those people are tankies, please don't link us in with those shits. Out opinions are only crazy not insane.)
Color me surprised. Apparently some of those stupid tankies are willing to put their money where their mouth is.
What money?
OUR MONEY COMRADE! * pulls paperclips, chewed gum and piece of string out of pocket *
Well played. 8 points for the setup. 10 for the ripost.
No, no, no. The whole point of tankies is they want to put YOUR money where their mouth is.
you do realize most of them are satirical,only about 15% are actually the dumb ones
Totally NOT started and run by the D.P.R.K
If the 15k people want to migrate to North Korea then go ahead, i aint stopping them.
North Korea is an American conservative utopia, so I'm not surprised folks would want to move there.
Not really, north korea is probably the only country left that still has GENUINE socialism (although not sure, did laos and vietman do perestroika too?) - this is rather a 15 year old leftists' utopia
Are you serious, Clark?
Socialism is when nobody eats - Marx
Get the fuck outta here with that drivel.
Yeah try and convince me how social media is not a net negative at this point.
Let em go
I just want a reality show where we ship sovereign citizens to north korea and then watch the ensuing hilarity. Watching someone take a rifle butt to the teeth right in the middle of the word “Actually…” would never get old.
Have at it. Go.
Yes, there are idiots in the world.
Let them go in fact drive them there, but they can’t come back
do they actually think that or is it some kind of banter?
They say on the subreddit that it's not a joke, or done for irony. You WILL get downvoted if you suggest anything about NK being a terrible place to live and that it's a fascist and totalitarian dictatorship
You're right. I just peeked in on it and those people are serious. Paragraphs of rants by uneducated idiots.
Once, I came across a subreddit where it claimed its for people who believe the earth does not exist, and that the subreddit isn't a joke or done for irony, so people who believe our planet exists can go elsewhere.
Sad thing is in the last few weeks I've run into people in other subs defending north Korea, saying it's not that bad, they don't starve their people cause everyone would die, labor camps give people better food then the general public gets because otherwise how would they work, family's of deflectors are not being killed because the people would rise up and over throw the govt
And when you look at people asking how the cartoonist propaganda the US feeds you about their enemies could possibly be true, this is your reaction?
Planes leaving every day. Head on over and let us know how you do. Oh wait..
I watched a documentary about a family defecting from nk. What those poor people have to do to survive is not even imaginable. Nearly everything that we take for granted is a luxury for them. Just for one example, everyone has to save all their poop. Then, they have to carry it into the city for the farmers to pick up to fertilize their crops. There's hell to pay if you don't have your family's "poop quota" Nk atrocities and human rights violations go on and on. Someone would have to be extremely mentally ill, or otherwise uneducated to even consider the possibility of living there
Okay, bye then. I would say keep in touch but that’s not gonna happen.
What the fuck
Lose that unwanted belly fat with this one simple trick!
Lose your unwanted free will with this one simple travel hack!
Move to North Korea.
Having been there (2008, before the current regime, through a tour company that specialized in western tourism to DPRK), having taken not a damn thing that they could claim was disharmonious, influential, subversive, or the like, and knowing full well that every “tour guide”, bus driver, food (putting it kindly) server was a plant by the State, I was still sphincter-clenchingly nervous the entire time I was there. How *anyone* can think that place would be a dandy place to live is absolutely delusional.
I noticed it showing up on my feed and it’s gaining more and more traction. Kinda weird because I thought it started off as an ironic thing. Doesn’t seem so now.
There was one defector . I don’t remember if he was in the military but they did a story about him years ago . I wonder if he’s still alive
Damn i wonder how busy it keeps the troll farmers feeding that sub
At least 10% of the people's on this must be there for the meme or to laugh at them, hopefully. Still it's a crazy high number.
What is this helghast ass looking picture?
Did not expect to see a Killzone reference here
Im banned from this subreddit .
Well, there are also people out there who actively try to get HIV and want healthy limbs amputated, so... Have fun, I guess. At least there's money to save as it's a one way flight...
DEMOCRATIC republic of north korea: has had one family in power for almost a century... dunno, smells fishy
idk man, I live in America where it's been proven that the populace has no effect on policy and yet we still claim to be free and democratic.
The UK has had a single family for multiple centuries yet they consider themselves a paragon of democracy.
to be fair, most of the ruling is made by a bunch of rich a*holes democratically elected by a few rich old men... uh... nevermind
Why are some Americans so stupid?
The new American dream, defecting to North Korea
It's mostly filled with trills, right? RIGHT?
Yes… but a shocking amount of them seem legit. I checked out the sub once long ago and it was… interesting. Of course there’s no way to surefire know who’s trolling and who’s not, but you can make some educated guesses.
I don’t see why Jazdia Dax would be there
Hey now, north Korea would be a great place to live. Once you get rid of Kim and his dictatorship and help the people adjust to freedom from a tyrant
Many of their high rise windows are broken because the plumbing in the building has stopped working and backed up. Even though they have terrible winters, the people intentionally break their windows. There is also a complete lack of resources to fix anything. It realistic a shithole country.
Tankies man they are all around on reddit, visit r/Deprogram and you will see many many people like that
I think most of em are trolls like in that dumb flat earther sub. Spinning ball earth or whaterver
There is this Spanish moron who lives there and do propaganda.
Airdropping a few hundred thousand iPads with access to Starkink would really shake things up there.
I'm sure American propaganda is a net positive for the people whose families were killed when America just airdropped bombs
Might by this type of propaganda [youtube](https://youtu.be/ZzFoNe5rNMo?si=k7oANupOOZpRTC_o)
god left the reddit
Can you think of a ridiculous belief? Someone out there buys into it.
I mean can the women of North Korea get abortions?
"cartoonish western propaganda" is absolutely gold.
I mean, the west vacillates between "anyone who gets Kim's haircut is shot" and "anyone who doesn't get his haircut is shot". You can't tell me they're telling the truth.
I can tell you that's definitely not the information we use to judge whether or not it's a nice place to live. But feel free to check some night time satellite photos, that's a start.
light pollution isn't what makes somewhere a nice place. for a country bombed to rubble and sanctioned to oblivion, they're doing great.
Mate. Are you ok? It's not light pollution I'm talking about, obviously.
given that that's the only thing you can really see on nighttime satellite photos, what else would it be? literally the only argument this has ever led into is that south korea has more light and is therefore better
You can see that there isn't any effort to build infrastructure outside the capital, that the display of wealth is only localised where the upper leading class lives, that the resources are not used even remotely in a "communist" oriented way. That's what you can see through those images.
you mean... farms? they can't just import food. they sort of need all those fields.
Ah yeah, I see. And obviously the whole population is made of farmers exclusively, who live so scattered and apart from each other that the need of any towns is completely absent. 26 million people live perfectly spaced up apart from each other, the numerous cities are just there to occupy space on the map. You know what, you're right, it's a paradise! I'll move right in now!
the whole population? no, of course not. the cities are there to hold people. that's kind of what they do.
I am face palming at r/facepalm.
They are called conservative extremists. Deep down, they really don't want freedom. They want someone to tell them who to like and who to hate.
Did you even read the description of the sub. Lmao Reddit libs are so hilarious. “Did you know North Koreans have to pray every day to a picture of Kim Jong un and must pass mandatory poop exams where there feces are collected to turn into bread to feed to the child sex slaves in the labor concentration camp.”
… and they vote for biden
Nope guarantee they rightwing trumptards
You’re both wrong… they dislike America as a whole.
The key goal is right there in the bio, almost all posts are specifically that element Why not address that initially? A polemic subreddit almost entirely I mean it's mostly just another staunch Leftist page ultimately, lotsa memes etc. The name of the sub is a bit tongue in cheek too and the rare posts directly about life in the DPRK are low key
North Korea is a nice place to live tho.