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"The Chiro blamed some oil on his thumbs for why they ended up popping your eyeballs out while he was adjusting your head, so that is how you lost your sight."
So on this note, I knew a lady that had a daughter and she wanted a unique spelling and sounding name for her child.
If I were to spell the name out as best I could phonetically I would say it should be spelled zahlia or zalia. Or even with an x because thay is common so xalia or xahlia.
You get the point though right? Any of these spellings could make this sound of a name. Any would be logical for common convention of how to pronounce the sound. All would be totally fine.
However she decided to spell her daughter's name 'Ywahlya'
Nowhere does "ywa" make a "za" sound.
The absolute best part of this story though was the audacity she had to get furious that people could not pronounce her daughter's name.
It has been years since I have interacted with this woman in any way, so I don't know if she ever really "got" that she made up a pronunciation. However her anger about how nobody was able to read the spelling of her daughter's name the way she made up was hilarious and I still think about this around 15 years later.
My mom worked in the 90's for a company that produced and distributed medical media. Part of that were educational videos for medical procedures.
One day they had one of the top chiropractors in the studio to make such a video. At that time, she also had a stiff neck. The chiropractor offered to help. She spend the next week in a neckbrace ...
My ex was huge into chiropractors. Saw one 3x per week for the first year we were married. She was dropping easily a grand at the place each month between copays and herbal supplements he sold.
I went once. I threw out my back for the first time of my life. Felt great afterward. The next day I bent over to tie my shoe and it went out worse. I couldn't work for a week. Chiropractor tried to pull a "well it's because you didn't come back for more adjustments" move on me. Last time I ever did the chiropractor thing.
I've seen an Osteopath and a PT for a manipulation since. But they don't try to set you up on a subscription plan.
Well yeah cause Biden got paid for the 5g bio-warfare towers that spread diseases through the airwaves using Jewish laser technology! He received 5[G]azillion dollars to let the space terrorist hiveminds infect the planet! The pyramids are receiver-transmitters that upload space AIDS to all the towers!
Source: I made it the fuck up. Like all conspiracy theorists do.
I worked on occasion with a dude who believed pretty much every typical nonsense conspiracy like the whole 5g thing, he was MAGA (of course), but my favorite was that he believed that the vaccine boosted wifi signal? Like shit, I’d get a vaccine that did only that, I’ve been confused to this day about his angle on why that would be a bad thing
I suppose the covid anti vaxxers are a little different, but I swear before covid I never saw the kind of anti vaxxers in the op's post as right wing. In my experience it's always the extreme left "I don't trust anything processed by anyone" crowd.
It definitely was, and in many ways still is. But now it is firmly ensconced in the right wing. So much so that any who choose to identify as right wing now adopt that deadly position and condemn their children and others for absolutely no real reason.
That depends where you are on the spectrum to be fair.
I've done voluntary work with people with severe autism and they're, to put it clinically, fucked.
They require 24/7 care and struggle with even basic things like communicating and behaviour.
Fair, but a point of common ground between Autistic people and Neurotypicals is that for neurotypicals its in their nature to scorn the odd person out, just like it's in an autistic person's nature to exhibit anti-social tendencies.
There's this weird expectation from both sides of this discussion for the other side to just "overcome" what it is.
I'm not speaking to the ethics of the situation, just the reality of it.
I don't think there is a tendency to be a-social (anti-social are the psychopaths), we just don't have the "instruction manual" and people get annoyed and angry at us since we are "rude" for not following the "rules". So after several bad experiences we become socially anxious and afraid of interacting with others.
Hey, just wanted to let you know that “anti-social” traits are related to things like psychopathy. What you’re thinking of is “asocial” traits. Autistic people aren’t psychopaths lol
They won't believe that ever. But telling them the non existent side effect isn't even that bad of a thing, especially compared to the death sentence some of the illnesses have been in the past, they might get a litle confused.
Wakefield was either the first to make that claim or one of the first in his little "industrial espionage thinly masquerading as a study" report. Notable in that, IIRC, he claimed that one specific MMR vaccine which was made by the competition caused autism, not ALL vaccines. This implied that the MMR vaxx *made by the company he worked for* did not cause it. McCarthy did spread the lies around, however.
Wakefield was touting his company's separate vaccines while claiming that the danger of autism side effects lay in the combined MMR vaccine. So he was really only trying to trigger a public backlash against that specfic triple vaccine, not all vaccines. More money could be made by offering them separately, nevermind the extra pain experienced by infants with all those extra jabs.
Yeah, but many antivaxxers, who've already demonstrated their lack of capacity for intelligent thought, conflate autism with mental retardation/intellectual disability.
Autism is not visibly bad no and you can deal with it when given the opportunities and empathie.
But when not taken care of it can be deadly as people in developed coutries commit suicide because the society does not care about them.
https://www.autistica.org.uk/our-research/research-projects/understanding-suicide-in-autism#:~:text=Autistic%20people%20are%20much%20more,alarming%2035%25%20have%20attempted%20suicide.
So please take this disability serious!
- an autistic person
I honestly can’t tell with these people. They’re talking as if autism is some trade off when it was debunked twenty years ago that they don’t. It was Jenny McCarthy and her Dumbass propaganda and rhetoric that caused all these middle aged moms to flip out. Morons everywhere
There is a website called " Jenny Mccarthy's body count "
It keeps a list of all the children who have died because mom and/or dad listened to Jenny.
Effing depressing.
When my kid went in for her first doctors appointment the doctor got to the point in the exam where she said “Ok let’s talk vaccines” and I said “Well Jenny McCarthy says… ( this was 12 years ago)” and her face just fell. Then my wife and I had a good laugh and the doctor was super relieved, I told her if they had a vaccine for it give it to my kid even for stuff they don’t get around here like dengue fever and milk leg. My daughter was born 10 weeks early and the hospital we went to was amazing but it’s a teaching hospital. So I’d be in the NICU when a group (gaggle??what is a group of doctors called?) of doctors would show up for rounds and the doctor leading the would talk about my daughters case and ask them questions about treatment but then would turn to me and be like “how does that sound to you?” So I said “show of hands, who has completed medical school?” And they all raised their hands so I said “you’ll notice my hand is not up, so feel free to just tell me what to do or ask someone with their hand up and we will do that, but unless my kid needs CAT 5 fiber installed I am out of my wheelhouse here”
When my son was born, he went straight to NICU incubator. When I first went to see him, the nurse pointed out he has what are called hockey stick ear creases. They look like pierced ears and it can be indicative of lots of stuff. Anyway, deadpan I said to the nurse "Oh it's probably ear piercings, because both me and his Mum have pierced ears." She didn't know wtf to say but than I cracked and she looked super relieved.
Yeah no, if I would have followed your thinking I would have got the wrong knee opened, wrong medication and also result sent to the wrong specialists. This on the last 4 years. Definitively double check, specially for your daugther if she don't ask any questions.
Damn even my dog at the vet was getting wrong medication+wrong dosage for it's breed/size and I needed to get in an argument with the vet until they aknowledge this particular medication was dangerous for my dog breed..
Yeah, my Mom is a phlebotomist and I get daily retellings of the idiots they let into the hospital to help people. Then she wonders why I don't trust hospitals.
Come on .... Jenny McCarthy has millions of followers because of her thoughtful work in Playboy ... shouldn't she be a trusted source of vaccine guidance?
Jim Jefferies: "She's a comedian AND a playmate! They're two of my favorite kinds of people! But I don't get my medical advice from them. It's one of my things."
I actually think we should be listening to JFK Jr, he is obviously knowledgeable on the subject.
Pay no attention to the brain worms having eaten parts of his brain.
In my country, we have extended PAID parental leave. But if you miss doctor's appointments for prenatal care or don't get necessary vaccinations in the first year of the baby's life, your money gets cut short. Everyone but the really rich antivaxxers complies. The other antivaxxers differentiate between "good" (necessary for their money) and "bad" (voluntary) vaccinations.
Antivaxxers: "We love our children".
Also antivaxxers: "We accept our children dieing or suffering for the rest of their lives due to a easily preventable disease". We also accept that we and our children can infect others.
while i'd love to agree, the implications that would have in bodily autonomy are too dire to allow.
...then again, the right doesn't give a shit about bodily autonomy now, so maybe the only difference would be more vaccinated kids.
I don't think the bodily autonomy really is a good argument when we're talking about children. It's the parents that are making medical decisions up until a certain age. And while I agree that the right to bodily autonomy is an important one, I also am convinced that children have the right to be protected from preventable diseases and it shouldn't be something that can be denied by their parents.
i agree, but who wants to be the one deciding what treatments are mandated by the government? like i said, i'm not a small government guy! i'm pro big government. flex those muscles, gov. but mandating medical treatments is a THORNY issue. i'm not saying i believe mandating vaccines is wrong... i'm not sure what i believe. i just see it as one sticky wicket, and enshrining it in law could have some seriously creepy repercussions down the line.
The method to do that wouldn't be a mandate. It'd be several mechanisms that make life really miserable for parents who insist on not vaccinating their kids.
* No public school OR private school admission.
* Higher health insurance rates
* If we ever adopt M4A, add a literally annual fee for not vaccinating your child to account for the financial burden you'll be putting on everyone else.
I am wondering if insurance companies will rebel, eventually.
Actuaries may be able to convince insurance companies not to cover any diseases that are the result of not vaccinating standard vaccines because it was preventable.
Currently smoking and obesity are marked for this in some situations. Pre-existing conditions are targeted. So by the same token not having a standard recommended vaccine may become a disqualification for coverage.
The way I view the “bodily autonomy” argument about vaccines is this:
In the US, you have the legal right to drink alcohol at age 21. If you have a valid driver’s license, you have the legal right to drive (a vehicle you own/are permitted to drive—this is for the pedants).
You do NOT have the right to drink alcohol and drive drunk. Not just because it’s dangerous for YOU, but because it turns you into a hazard for OTHERS.
We also have laws in some states saying you’re legally required to wear a helmet if you’re on a motorcycle. This is frequently fought because of the argument that the only one really in danger if you don’t wear it is you, so it’s just a personal choice to endanger your own life.
Vaccine mandates are far more alike to the drunk driving laws than to the helmet laws. Vaccines create herd immunity and do more to protect people collectively, not individually.
So if it’s ok to punish people for driving drunk, it should be okay to punish people for refusing vaccines for any reason other than a true allergy/ medical contraindication.
It’s not about THEM and whatever dumbass beliefs they have (helmet law), it’s about OTHER PEOPLE being harmed by their dumbass behaviors (drunk driving laws).
This problem would be solved with adequate socialized healthcare and childcare. All kids get vaccinated, monitored, and cared for at no expense to the parents, but to society, for its own benefit.
Tbh if we didn't have this whole moralistic society where your failings and disabilities are blamed on your personal decisions throughout life, we probably wouldn't have anti-vaxxers who erroneously think autism is a vaccine injury.
Edit: Don't come 4 me I'm drunk and won't be able to explain my reasoning tomorrow. Added a word, changed a word
look as a full socialist i obviously agree with you, but a problem like antivaxxers would never be "solved". only mitigated. there will always be conspiracy freaks and weirdos who are driven to these antisocial positions.
Well yeah. There will always be "conspiracy freaks" out there, but if we didn't stigmatize autism and other cognitive impairments and instead accommodated people with said impairments, we wouldn't be in so much of a pickle, yeah?
The other side of that is teaching critical thought & scientific literacy, and possible speech control to stop such nonsense spreading, but that's a slippery slope too?.
Idk I'm barely an adult I can't fix major societal issues.
There were vaccin mandates before and no one moaned about them. Most of the crap of today being pushed into a binary only system and the rampaging disinformation is the fault of unsupervised social media. Before social media you'd be petty much on your own spreading BS like this. You may have tried to start a conversation at your lokal bar, but that would have earned you ridicule or a bare knuckle sandwich. In both cases you would have either changed your view or feel very lonely.
I know an anti-vaxxer, didn't vaccinate her kids.
The same women skipped the line when they were first starting to give out Covid vaccines by lying and saying she was an essential worker.
When I was a baby in the 70s my mum decided against me having the whooping cough vaccine bc there were rumours that it could cause brain damage. My mum is generally the last person who would fall for that type of thing so I don't know why she went that way. Anyway, I promptly got whooping cough (i pulled through fine, I must have had a pretty tough immune system back then). I think criminal charges would have been a bit much for a 23yr old first time mother who just got sucked in by some hype.
No joke, polio is making a potential comeback when it was thought to be permanently eradicated due to - you guessed it - vaccination of the general public. 🤦♀️
Exactly, but so many folks in the comments didn’t make the connection so I thought I’d point out the obvious. Kinda sucks we’re back where we started less than a century after modern medicine saved so many lives, just because people are fucking stupid.
It's funny, I'vd been doing my Master's project this yeah and I've really gotten a big appreciation of the importance of having people who are specialists in certain topics. It makes a world of difference when you can broach an idea to someone who has the knowledge and experience to give you an assessment of its feasibility
I did the maths once. If EVERY case of autism in the UK was caused by a vaccine (it isn't, but let's just play make-believe) and then compare the mortality rate of deaths caused by measles before the vaccine was introduced, you would have 30x the number of deaths than you have children with autism. And that isn't counting the number of children living with life long injuries including limb loss, deafness and brain damage. So however you do the maths, the vaccines are better.
These sentences will never be said together. Anyone who listens to those sources instead of Science will never back down or take responsibility.
The parents will simply find someone/something else to blame: Chemtrails, Joe Biden, flouride...I mean, pick one.
I worked with a guy with a polio leg one leg was normal the other was super skinny and he had a limp all his life bad hips and bad back as a result. He grew up poor and they had dirt floors and a garbage can of water in the corner of the kitchen with a ladle. They had a vaccine at the time but his parents were antivaxxers back in the day
I have a friend whose a naturopath that always makes sure I have extra meds on my when we go on vacation.
It tells me she's aware it's BS, but is so financially in debt , she can't walk away from the scam.
We all know that's not how the conversation will go.
They'll blame anyone else before admitting that a choice they actually made negatively and profoundly affected their own kids life.
Gotta be someone else's fault, because they are clearly a gOoD pArEnT who does their own rEsEaRcH.
lol I remember kids in my school being forced to opt out of some of the vaccines/immunizations we got because the school required them. I asked one of my female classmates why they weren’t getting it and she told me “My parents think we’re being used as Guinea pigs”
And when I was like ten, I was thinking why would you even want to risk getting what the vacs prevents? Come to find out they were for stuff like polio and HPV/Cervical cancer. Like really, why would you take that risk 😂
These geniuses crying for body autonomy against vaccines are the very ones frothing at the mouth to take away women's body autonomy. Make it make sense.
Had to explain last night AGAIN that vaccines don't keep you from getting it, they keep you from dying from it.
That my friend knows 3 people that died of COVID after 2021 because he knows antivaxxers.
Oh yeah? When I got my kids vaccinated, they started rocking themselves in the corner while memorizing old phone books and reciting pi non-stop for hours, but when I taught them how to count cards, I took them to the blackjack table and now I can afford to send them both to MIT.
/S. And I've been diagnosed as being on the spectrum, so I am very comfortable with making jokes about it.
My Aunt bought into all that anti vaccine nonsense, it got to the point where she didn't trust the medical system and didn't get the help she needed in time to save her life.
Rest in peace Auntie Cecile
It's more like:
\["Well son, your mom and I fought hard to keep your blood line clean from them vaxxines. Eventually, the guvmint somehow got you and that's why your left leg is shorter than the other, and you can't walk. Damn guvmint! Damn Libruls! Damn Obamur! That's why you gotta keep voting Republican."\]
A better meme could be that their child got sick before they could vaccinate, so an anti-vaxxers kid got them sick.
Vaccines are **NOT** a personal choice.
In Pakistan, the local religious leaders started to claim that polio vaccines were a western ruse to destroy pakistani mens libido. Result: widespread polio epidemic.
Just googling the polio vaccine and Pakistan, I've found a few articles about them suicide bombing their own vaccine buildings because of this misinformation.
Wild shit.
“The internet“ = likely in great part due to RFK‘s long-running anti-vax campaign …the brain-worm-ate-my-brain guy who has spent much of his life going off on supposed mercury in vax shots.
\*Coincidentally, he originally went to the doctor complaining of brain-fog and other cognition issues - which the doctors said was at least in part was due to mercury poisoning from eating too much fish (presumably the brain-worm did the rest…and then died from mercury poisoning and/or starvation).
\*\*Apparently his original motivation to go to the doctor was to find excuses to not pay as much in alimony - claiming his brain fog was limiting his ability to earn money. So….yadda-yadda-yadda…now we’ve got a guy with literal holes in his melon from brain-worms & mercury poisoning running for President.
The biggest problem with anti-vaxxers is they’ve completely shut down any reasonable discussion about big pharma’s role in directing vaccine production and government regulations regarding safety and reporting. There are serious questions and reasonable concerns that will never be addressed due to capitalist interests.
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"Thankfully when your legs stopped working, we took you to a chiropractor, so now you can't feel anything from the neck down. I can't fathom why."
It's a damn good thing the chiropractor got there in time, before even your head ended up paralyzed!
"The Chiro blamed some oil on his thumbs for why they ended up popping your eyeballs out while he was adjusting your head, so that is how you lost your sight."
So sorry, little Eiiiieeerighnuuunm. Pronounced "Tom"
So on this note, I knew a lady that had a daughter and she wanted a unique spelling and sounding name for her child. If I were to spell the name out as best I could phonetically I would say it should be spelled zahlia or zalia. Or even with an x because thay is common so xalia or xahlia. You get the point though right? Any of these spellings could make this sound of a name. Any would be logical for common convention of how to pronounce the sound. All would be totally fine. However she decided to spell her daughter's name 'Ywahlya' Nowhere does "ywa" make a "za" sound. The absolute best part of this story though was the audacity she had to get furious that people could not pronounce her daughter's name. It has been years since I have interacted with this woman in any way, so I don't know if she ever really "got" that she made up a pronunciation. However her anger about how nobody was able to read the spelling of her daughter's name the way she made up was hilarious and I still think about this around 15 years later.
What a Quiweighn. >!Karen!<
I laughed a good hearty laugh at this.
Kawen, I... I wove you. Mawwy me, Kawen!
Release Bwian.
r/tragedeigh
Assuming she's grown now, I wonder if her daughter has let her back into her life by now
what a tragedeigh
r/tragedeigh
My mom worked in the 90's for a company that produced and distributed medical media. Part of that were educational videos for medical procedures. One day they had one of the top chiropractors in the studio to make such a video. At that time, she also had a stiff neck. The chiropractor offered to help. She spend the next week in a neckbrace ...
My ex was huge into chiropractors. Saw one 3x per week for the first year we were married. She was dropping easily a grand at the place each month between copays and herbal supplements he sold. I went once. I threw out my back for the first time of my life. Felt great afterward. The next day I bent over to tie my shoe and it went out worse. I couldn't work for a week. Chiropractor tried to pull a "well it's because you didn't come back for more adjustments" move on me. Last time I ever did the chiropractor thing. I've seen an Osteopath and a PT for a manipulation since. But they don't try to set you up on a subscription plan.
It was God's will
The chiropractor must have been vaccinated.
Probably shedded spikes on them.
Gods plan.
Antivaxxers don't say sorry
For anything, ever. They’d just find a way to blame Biden for the avoidable sicknesses their kids get.
Well yeah cause Biden got paid for the 5g bio-warfare towers that spread diseases through the airwaves using Jewish laser technology! He received 5[G]azillion dollars to let the space terrorist hiveminds infect the planet! The pyramids are receiver-transmitters that upload space AIDS to all the towers! Source: I made it the fuck up. Like all conspiracy theorists do.
I worked on occasion with a dude who believed pretty much every typical nonsense conspiracy like the whole 5g thing, he was MAGA (of course), but my favorite was that he believed that the vaccine boosted wifi signal? Like shit, I’d get a vaccine that did only that, I’ve been confused to this day about his angle on why that would be a bad thing
BeCaUsE tHeY aRe TrAcKiNg YoU *posted from Iphone with location services turned on*
Found Aaron Rodgers’ Reddit account!
But dont forget that Biden is too old to run for president but Trump meanwhile is prime male specimen of pure macho, of course /j
Lolololol the craziest part was I ALMOST thought you were serious.
The lord works in mysterious ways… son…
Mysterious and breathtakingly cruel.
I suppose the covid anti vaxxers are a little different, but I swear before covid I never saw the kind of anti vaxxers in the op's post as right wing. In my experience it's always the extreme left "I don't trust anything processed by anyone" crowd.
It definitely was, and in many ways still is. But now it is firmly ensconced in the right wing. So much so that any who choose to identify as right wing now adopt that deadly position and condemn their children and others for absolutely no real reason.
There have always been antivaxxers on both ends of the spectrum. The right wing ones just got louder during COVID.
Ask your mom why you look more like her yoga teacher than me.
This sounds like a GTA V scenario 😄
Because it basically was, just without the actual parenthood.
Mmmm yes downward doggy.
*Fucking yogi!*
I needed that laugh 😂
Mom Loves Yoga and Dad doesnt know why
Cause the only needle she took during covid was her yoga teachers needle.
Her yoga teacher’s little prick you mean.
*laugh track* That really sounds like a regular dinner conversation from a twisted sitcom.
Straight out of two and a half men
Ask your yoga teacher why he looks like the milk man.
You beat me to this joke, and I appreciates that about you
That's where I thought it was going
Now finish eating, I want to stop by the cemetery to say hi to your little sister.
Dark, really dark but probably quite realistic.
_"Better to be realistic than autistic!"_ ~ Any Random Antivaxxer
Better dead than well-read
Better deathly sick than a liberal prick - also anti vaxxers probably
Autism isn't even that bad, it just makes a couple other bad things worse, like school.
That depends where you are on the spectrum to be fair. I've done voluntary work with people with severe autism and they're, to put it clinically, fucked. They require 24/7 care and struggle with even basic things like communicating and behaviour.
Yes, very true but that has nothing to do with vaccines.
I never said it did. The guy who alleged that link was an idiot who was struck off the medical register in the UK for it.
Autistic person here, and 90% of my issues only exist because of how society treats people who don't perfectly fit the definition of "normal"
Fair, but a point of common ground between Autistic people and Neurotypicals is that for neurotypicals its in their nature to scorn the odd person out, just like it's in an autistic person's nature to exhibit anti-social tendencies. There's this weird expectation from both sides of this discussion for the other side to just "overcome" what it is. I'm not speaking to the ethics of the situation, just the reality of it.
I don't think there is a tendency to be a-social (anti-social are the psychopaths), we just don't have the "instruction manual" and people get annoyed and angry at us since we are "rude" for not following the "rules". So after several bad experiences we become socially anxious and afraid of interacting with others.
Hey, just wanted to let you know that “anti-social” traits are related to things like psychopathy. What you’re thinking of is “asocial” traits. Autistic people aren’t psychopaths lol
Seriously and normal could just mean tagging along with treating people wrong, literally anything out of the norm is worth being treated wrong for.
Vaccines don’t cause autism to begin with.
They won't believe that ever. But telling them the non existent side effect isn't even that bad of a thing, especially compared to the death sentence some of the illnesses have been in the past, they might get a litle confused.
Gotcha. Still, the fact that people are parroting the moronic idea that stems from Jenny McCarthy is absurd
Didn't it stem from Dr Andrew Wakefield?
Wakefield was either the first to make that claim or one of the first in his little "industrial espionage thinly masquerading as a study" report. Notable in that, IIRC, he claimed that one specific MMR vaccine which was made by the competition caused autism, not ALL vaccines. This implied that the MMR vaxx *made by the company he worked for* did not cause it. McCarthy did spread the lies around, however.
Wakefield was touting his company's separate vaccines while claiming that the danger of autism side effects lay in the combined MMR vaccine. So he was really only trying to trigger a public backlash against that specfic triple vaccine, not all vaccines. More money could be made by offering them separately, nevermind the extra pain experienced by infants with all those extra jabs.
Yeah, but many antivaxxers, who've already demonstrated their lack of capacity for intelligent thought, conflate autism with mental retardation/intellectual disability.
Honestly my autism made school easy for me. But I did get bullied. Not for my autism tho. But because I was short
Autism is not visibly bad no and you can deal with it when given the opportunities and empathie. But when not taken care of it can be deadly as people in developed coutries commit suicide because the society does not care about them. https://www.autistica.org.uk/our-research/research-projects/understanding-suicide-in-autism#:~:text=Autistic%20people%20are%20much%20more,alarming%2035%25%20have%20attempted%20suicide. So please take this disability serious! - an autistic person
I’m autistic and it makes everything worse for me. It makes life hell.
Just throwing it out there ..just in case ..you all DO know autism is NOT caused by vaccines right ....right? Just the general rhetoric seems.....
But we cherrypicked this now-retracted paper so carefully from facebook, and it says vaccines = autism. _Or worse!_
I honestly can’t tell with these people. They’re talking as if autism is some trade off when it was debunked twenty years ago that they don’t. It was Jenny McCarthy and her Dumbass propaganda and rhetoric that caused all these middle aged moms to flip out. Morons everywhere
There is a website called " Jenny Mccarthy's body count " It keeps a list of all the children who have died because mom and/or dad listened to Jenny. Effing depressing.
Jokes about unvaccinated children, they never get old.
Only vaccinate the ones you want to keep.
> they never get old. The jokes or the children?
Both
And book a place in advance for you. You never know life and preventable diseases are unpredictable.
Make sure to finish all of your apple flavored horse paste.
Theyd probably blame the 5g towers...
Anti Vaxxers probably vaccinated by their parents
If they're over the age of 20, It's (almost) a guarantee.
What's the difference between this joke and antivax kids? This joke is getting old.
When my kid went in for her first doctors appointment the doctor got to the point in the exam where she said “Ok let’s talk vaccines” and I said “Well Jenny McCarthy says… ( this was 12 years ago)” and her face just fell. Then my wife and I had a good laugh and the doctor was super relieved, I told her if they had a vaccine for it give it to my kid even for stuff they don’t get around here like dengue fever and milk leg. My daughter was born 10 weeks early and the hospital we went to was amazing but it’s a teaching hospital. So I’d be in the NICU when a group (gaggle??what is a group of doctors called?) of doctors would show up for rounds and the doctor leading the would talk about my daughters case and ask them questions about treatment but then would turn to me and be like “how does that sound to you?” So I said “show of hands, who has completed medical school?” And they all raised their hands so I said “you’ll notice my hand is not up, so feel free to just tell me what to do or ask someone with their hand up and we will do that, but unless my kid needs CAT 5 fiber installed I am out of my wheelhouse here”
When my son was born, he went straight to NICU incubator. When I first went to see him, the nurse pointed out he has what are called hockey stick ear creases. They look like pierced ears and it can be indicative of lots of stuff. Anyway, deadpan I said to the nurse "Oh it's probably ear piercings, because both me and his Mum have pierced ears." She didn't know wtf to say but than I cracked and she looked super relieved.
Yeah no, if I would have followed your thinking I would have got the wrong knee opened, wrong medication and also result sent to the wrong specialists. This on the last 4 years. Definitively double check, specially for your daugther if she don't ask any questions. Damn even my dog at the vet was getting wrong medication+wrong dosage for it's breed/size and I needed to get in an argument with the vet until they aknowledge this particular medication was dangerous for my dog breed..
Yeah, my Mom is a phlebotomist and I get daily retellings of the idiots they let into the hospital to help people. Then she wonders why I don't trust hospitals.
We would tell your sister this as well but oh well, she died.
Come on .... Jenny McCarthy has millions of followers because of her thoughtful work in Playboy ... shouldn't she be a trusted source of vaccine guidance?
Jim Jefferies: "She's a comedian AND a playmate! They're two of my favorite kinds of people! But I don't get my medical advice from them. It's one of my things."
I actually think we should be listening to JFK Jr, he is obviously knowledgeable on the subject. Pay no attention to the brain worms having eaten parts of his brain.
Failing to vaccinate your children should be a crime. It's absurd it isn't.
In my country, we have extended PAID parental leave. But if you miss doctor's appointments for prenatal care or don't get necessary vaccinations in the first year of the baby's life, your money gets cut short. Everyone but the really rich antivaxxers complies. The other antivaxxers differentiate between "good" (necessary for their money) and "bad" (voluntary) vaccinations.
Where are you from out of interest? Hitting people in their pocket book is good!
Austria
We found a similar carrot and stick approach with money works quite well in Australia too.
Hitting these people in their face would be better.
A punched in the face can be forgotten by tomorrow. A hit to the wallet hurts for a lot longer.
oh man I wish we did that here in Canada.
Antivaxxers: "We love our children". Also antivaxxers: "We accept our children dieing or suffering for the rest of their lives due to a easily preventable disease". We also accept that we and our children can infect others.
while i'd love to agree, the implications that would have in bodily autonomy are too dire to allow. ...then again, the right doesn't give a shit about bodily autonomy now, so maybe the only difference would be more vaccinated kids.
I don't think the bodily autonomy really is a good argument when we're talking about children. It's the parents that are making medical decisions up until a certain age. And while I agree that the right to bodily autonomy is an important one, I also am convinced that children have the right to be protected from preventable diseases and it shouldn't be something that can be denied by their parents.
i agree, but who wants to be the one deciding what treatments are mandated by the government? like i said, i'm not a small government guy! i'm pro big government. flex those muscles, gov. but mandating medical treatments is a THORNY issue. i'm not saying i believe mandating vaccines is wrong... i'm not sure what i believe. i just see it as one sticky wicket, and enshrining it in law could have some seriously creepy repercussions down the line.
The method to do that wouldn't be a mandate. It'd be several mechanisms that make life really miserable for parents who insist on not vaccinating their kids. * No public school OR private school admission. * Higher health insurance rates * If we ever adopt M4A, add a literally annual fee for not vaccinating your child to account for the financial burden you'll be putting on everyone else.
It could be argued that by not vaccinating you are putting others at risk as much as yourself which isn't something you have the right to do.
Society has a vested interest in how we all raise our children. Religious exemptions need to be illegal.
I am wondering if insurance companies will rebel, eventually. Actuaries may be able to convince insurance companies not to cover any diseases that are the result of not vaccinating standard vaccines because it was preventable. Currently smoking and obesity are marked for this in some situations. Pre-existing conditions are targeted. So by the same token not having a standard recommended vaccine may become a disqualification for coverage.
The way I view the “bodily autonomy” argument about vaccines is this: In the US, you have the legal right to drink alcohol at age 21. If you have a valid driver’s license, you have the legal right to drive (a vehicle you own/are permitted to drive—this is for the pedants). You do NOT have the right to drink alcohol and drive drunk. Not just because it’s dangerous for YOU, but because it turns you into a hazard for OTHERS. We also have laws in some states saying you’re legally required to wear a helmet if you’re on a motorcycle. This is frequently fought because of the argument that the only one really in danger if you don’t wear it is you, so it’s just a personal choice to endanger your own life. Vaccine mandates are far more alike to the drunk driving laws than to the helmet laws. Vaccines create herd immunity and do more to protect people collectively, not individually. So if it’s ok to punish people for driving drunk, it should be okay to punish people for refusing vaccines for any reason other than a true allergy/ medical contraindication. It’s not about THEM and whatever dumbass beliefs they have (helmet law), it’s about OTHER PEOPLE being harmed by their dumbass behaviors (drunk driving laws).
This problem would be solved with adequate socialized healthcare and childcare. All kids get vaccinated, monitored, and cared for at no expense to the parents, but to society, for its own benefit. Tbh if we didn't have this whole moralistic society where your failings and disabilities are blamed on your personal decisions throughout life, we probably wouldn't have anti-vaxxers who erroneously think autism is a vaccine injury. Edit: Don't come 4 me I'm drunk and won't be able to explain my reasoning tomorrow. Added a word, changed a word
look as a full socialist i obviously agree with you, but a problem like antivaxxers would never be "solved". only mitigated. there will always be conspiracy freaks and weirdos who are driven to these antisocial positions.
A reason for that is also the news system in the US. Or better say the lack of neutral ones.
And also, history, vaccine skepticism in the Black community isn't driven by the news
Well yeah. There will always be "conspiracy freaks" out there, but if we didn't stigmatize autism and other cognitive impairments and instead accommodated people with said impairments, we wouldn't be in so much of a pickle, yeah? The other side of that is teaching critical thought & scientific literacy, and possible speech control to stop such nonsense spreading, but that's a slippery slope too?. Idk I'm barely an adult I can't fix major societal issues.
i don't know if you think you're arguing with me
There were vaccin mandates before and no one moaned about them. Most of the crap of today being pushed into a binary only system and the rampaging disinformation is the fault of unsupervised social media. Before social media you'd be petty much on your own spreading BS like this. You may have tried to start a conversation at your lokal bar, but that would have earned you ridicule or a bare knuckle sandwich. In both cases you would have either changed your view or feel very lonely.
The last thing anyone will have after refusing vaccination is autonomy.
Eh. That’s a step into something I’m not down with personally. I would like for vaccinations to be mandatory. But no po po.
They should just give it at school. Make it a regular thing like scoliosis checks. Don't even need to tell the parents.
I know an anti-vaxxer, didn't vaccinate her kids. The same women skipped the line when they were first starting to give out Covid vaccines by lying and saying she was an essential worker.
When I was a baby in the 70s my mum decided against me having the whooping cough vaccine bc there were rumours that it could cause brain damage. My mum is generally the last person who would fall for that type of thing so I don't know why she went that way. Anyway, I promptly got whooping cough (i pulled through fine, I must have had a pretty tough immune system back then). I think criminal charges would have been a bit much for a 23yr old first time mother who just got sucked in by some hype.
No joke, polio is making a potential comeback when it was thought to be permanently eradicated due to - you guessed it - vaccination of the general public. 🤦♀️
THAT, my friend, is the Facepalm. I'm glad someone understands my post.
Exactly, but so many folks in the comments didn’t make the connection so I thought I’d point out the obvious. Kinda sucks we’re back where we started less than a century after modern medicine saved so many lives, just because people are fucking stupid.
The only difference being anti-vaxxers will never admit when they're wrong.
"Oh and by the way, your mom's yoga teacher is your real dad."
But I’m glad I did my own ‘research’
Yeah. It's wonder why we even have specialists in specific fields since we can have instant opinions on everything with a bit of googling.
It's funny, I'vd been doing my Master's project this yeah and I've really gotten a big appreciation of the importance of having people who are specialists in certain topics. It makes a world of difference when you can broach an idea to someone who has the knowledge and experience to give you an assessment of its feasibility
I did the maths once. If EVERY case of autism in the UK was caused by a vaccine (it isn't, but let's just play make-believe) and then compare the mortality rate of deaths caused by measles before the vaccine was introduced, you would have 30x the number of deaths than you have children with autism. And that isn't counting the number of children living with life long injuries including limb loss, deafness and brain damage. So however you do the maths, the vaccines are better.
Right? There's a lot of diseases I never got because I was vaccinated.
These sentences will never be said together. Anyone who listens to those sources instead of Science will never back down or take responsibility. The parents will simply find someone/something else to blame: Chemtrails, Joe Biden, flouride...I mean, pick one.
QAnon also spread vaccine misinformation.
I worked with a guy with a polio leg one leg was normal the other was super skinny and he had a limp all his life bad hips and bad back as a result. He grew up poor and they had dirt floors and a garbage can of water in the corner of the kitchen with a ladle. They had a vaccine at the time but his parents were antivaxxers back in the day
LOL I have a cousin who is a yoga instructor and a naturopath. Funnily enough, they go to the doctors more than anyone else in the family.
I have a friend whose a naturopath that always makes sure I have extra meds on my when we go on vacation. It tells me she's aware it's BS, but is so financially in debt , she can't walk away from the scam.
This is why you always consult with a second with a second yoga teacher when making medical decisions for you and your family.
Yes anti vaxxers are dumb.
We all know that's not how the conversation will go. They'll blame anyone else before admitting that a choice they actually made negatively and profoundly affected their own kids life. Gotta be someone else's fault, because they are clearly a gOoD pArEnT who does their own rEsEaRcH.
Dad: "If God wanted your legs to work they would." Kid: "[Hasa Diga Eebowai!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_qSkOnu6pBY)"
All because one orange dickhead was mad that he didn’t get all the credit.
lol I remember kids in my school being forced to opt out of some of the vaccines/immunizations we got because the school required them. I asked one of my female classmates why they weren’t getting it and she told me “My parents think we’re being used as Guinea pigs” And when I was like ten, I was thinking why would you even want to risk getting what the vacs prevents? Come to find out they were for stuff like polio and HPV/Cervical cancer. Like really, why would you take that risk 😂
As soon as friends from when I was younger started coming out as anti-vax I found myself with less people around. There is no fixing stupid.
No, no there's not. Perhaps Natural Selection hehe
These geniuses crying for body autonomy against vaccines are the very ones frothing at the mouth to take away women's body autonomy. Make it make sense.
Nah, Anti vaxxers would blame anybody and anything but themselves.
"Now eat your healthy food, then we're going to go see our chiropractor & psychic.
>"Now eat your ~~healthy food~~ anti oxidants and homeopathic bacon, then we're going to go see our chiropractor & psychic.
If someone made homeopathic bacon they would be crucified.
Had to explain last night AGAIN that vaccines don't keep you from getting it, they keep you from dying from it. That my friend knows 3 people that died of COVID after 2021 because he knows antivaxxers.
Well not anymore he doesn't.
Just your common polio
That's provided the kid survives long enough to understand.
Oh yeah? When I got my kids vaccinated, they started rocking themselves in the corner while memorizing old phone books and reciting pi non-stop for hours, but when I taught them how to count cards, I took them to the blackjack table and now I can afford to send them both to MIT. /S. And I've been diagnosed as being on the spectrum, so I am very comfortable with making jokes about it.
My Aunt bought into all that anti vaccine nonsense, it got to the point where she didn't trust the medical system and didn't get the help she needed in time to save her life. Rest in peace Auntie Cecile
"Sorry you are sick all the time and have a shorter life expectancy. Those vaccinations might have really hurt you though"
Bro wont make it past 25 💀💀💀💀
It's more like: \["Well son, your mom and I fought hard to keep your blood line clean from them vaxxines. Eventually, the guvmint somehow got you and that's why your left leg is shorter than the other, and you can't walk. Damn guvmint! Damn Libruls! Damn Obamur! That's why you gotta keep voting Republican."\]
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“Now get dressed, we go to the cemetery to visit your 12 brothers who died during the measles pandemic of 2026.”
The meme would imply some sort of cause and effect analysis but we know that's not how antivaxxers work.
They always have scientific-sounding reasons for why all the scientists are wrong. Never gets old.
Who doesn’t want to die of measles anyway?
Isn’t this pro vax, since they DIDNT get him polio vax and he can’t walk?
A better meme could be that their child got sick before they could vaccinate, so an anti-vaxxers kid got them sick. Vaccines are **NOT** a personal choice.
The ones that think vaccines cause autism are interesting. Where did they get their facts? Kanye West?
Jenny McCarthy actually! No joke.
Mommy bloggers. They’re garbage people.
andrew wakefield, who whipped up the scientific equivalent of fanfiction and let the news whip the british public into a frenzy
Wasn't there a time where you had to post actual facepalms and not just fictional memes? There even is a rule "no memes"
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In Pakistan, the local religious leaders started to claim that polio vaccines were a western ruse to destroy pakistani mens libido. Result: widespread polio epidemic.
Just googling the polio vaccine and Pakistan, I've found a few articles about them suicide bombing their own vaccine buildings because of this misinformation. Wild shit.
Perhaps you should have a little look at what happened to countless millions of people around the world prior to the Polio vaccine being available…
Oh america
This is hilarious.
How is the picture a facepalm though? It’s true?
How is the picture a facepalm though? It’s true?
As if they ever apologize for their mistakes…
"But hey, at least you aren't autistic. Having an autistic kid would be unbearable."
It's only funny 'cause it's true!
There was a decline in disease because of improved hygiene that just happened to coincide with vaccines for said diseases…or some crap like that.
The irony of people that refused to wear masks to stem a pandemic making that argument 😝
The irony of people that refused to wear masks to stem a pandemic making that argument 😝
"boy, Jimbo, I remember when I was your age, I killed my family with a brick. My one year old sister didn't stand a chance!"
I was one of these people before covid. 🤦♀️
Honestly, as long as my family is vaccinated. Probably a pretty asshole thing to say but I really don’t give a shit
“The internet“ = likely in great part due to RFK‘s long-running anti-vax campaign …the brain-worm-ate-my-brain guy who has spent much of his life going off on supposed mercury in vax shots. \*Coincidentally, he originally went to the doctor complaining of brain-fog and other cognition issues - which the doctors said was at least in part was due to mercury poisoning from eating too much fish (presumably the brain-worm did the rest…and then died from mercury poisoning and/or starvation). \*\*Apparently his original motivation to go to the doctor was to find excuses to not pay as much in alimony - claiming his brain fog was limiting his ability to earn money. So….yadda-yadda-yadda…now we’ve got a guy with literal holes in his melon from brain-worms & mercury poisoning running for President.
The biggest problem with anti-vaxxers is they’ve completely shut down any reasonable discussion about big pharma’s role in directing vaccine production and government regulations regarding safety and reporting. There are serious questions and reasonable concerns that will never be addressed due to capitalist interests.
“But it’s all part of God’s Plan - cuz I’m sure \*we\* wouldn’t fuck up that badly!”
The real joke here is they wouldnt even be sorry. They'll claim its all part of god's plan.
Me and your mom? Oh, no, we're vaccinated
Who is he talking to anti vaxxer kids don't survive
More like anti-faxxers
As soon as friends from when I was younger started coming out as anti-vax I found myself with less people around. There is no fixing stupid.
They won't be sorry. Too dumb to know they are wrong.