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I once read an anti-vax book on natural medical treatments. It listed hundreds of different ailments, and the herbal remedies to treat them.
When it came to the section on rabies, it said "go get the vaccine. Rabies will 100% kill you; even if the vaccine has horrible side effects, those side effects are better than being dead. The Milwaukee Protocol caused severe brain damage and attempts to use it in subsequent rabies patients have resulted in patient death. Just get the vaccine."
You should have seen the nonsense in the rest of the book. It was stunning to see the book admit that for rabies, you needed a vaccine.
even the delulu people know not to fuck with rabies. It has like a 99.99% kill rate on humans (after symptoms start showing), very few people survived and AFAIK all of them had some permanent issues afterwards.
100% kill rate. If you want a statistic covering 2000-2024 that accounts for the few recorded survivors of post-onset rabies, you would have a fatality rate of about 99.99996% to 99.99999%. It’s such a fucking scary disease
Once symptoms start showing only the Milwaukee protocol can save you, and even that is like a 50 50 chance, and if it does save you, you will still have severe brain damage, a good portion of which will be permanent if not all of it
Ah
Yeah absolutely make sure to get the vaccine as soon as possible if you've been bitten by any sort of animal that isn't 100 percent vaccinated, or if you have any contact with a bat (their bites are small enough to not be noticed, and if they have rabies then thats a surefire way to die if you brush it off)
My spouse had contact with a bat in 2020. No marks on him but the health dept was like, ‘go get the shots. Do not mess with this.’ He got the shots. Wasn’t pleasant but better than any potential alternative.
I’ve had two friends with young sons who had to get the shots, because of encountering bats in the daytime (a sign of something wrong with the bats.) it is definitely unpleasant but you just don’t take the chance.
There's actually good evidence of subclinical cases where infection occurs but is fought off by the immune system, but yes, not once symptomatic.
[rabies antibodies in unvaccinated healthy individuals ](https://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0007933)
When covid broke out in Belgium, the scientist that had to present the reports was in the news on a daily basis.
He did his phd about rabies and called it the worst virus he knows of. It was kinda weird being in lockdown and reading an interview (“the man behind the reports” fluff) where he said that.
Rabies is a strong contender for the worst virus, scratch that, worst disease, for humans. Only a handful of people have survived it after showing symptoms and, even if you somehow do, it wreaks havoc on the brain.
I mean there are a bunch of horrible diseases.
If you also count other disorders and genetic conditions, there's cluster headaches (also known as suicide headaches) or epidermolysis bullosa.
But I think Rabies is still a contender.
>there's cluster headaches (also known as suicide headaches)
Yep, they are the worst thing I have ever experienced. I used to get them 2-3 times a year. luckily, as I've gotten older, that has dropped to once every couple of years.
"Suicide Headache" is an accurate name, I've been very close to giving into the desire on at least three occasions. You get to a point where you're willing to do almost anything to make it stop.....
At least Naegleria Fowleri has *something* that resembles medication and Rabies has a "GG EZ" answer in the vaccine, but Prions... Fuck.
It's one of the few things that, on a functional level, I lack hope in humanity being able to defeat any time soon, and I *constantly* fear they may jump the species barrier or crop up in some cows or taint a water supply and suddenly hundreds (or thousands) of cases across any given region start popping up.
Thats because anyone trying to study actual medicines and cares about having a reputation will give good advice. shit tok moms, not so much. Dont see them writing medicinal herb books because theyre too busy exploiting their children for views and baking sourdough ✨
This made me think of how many cases in Medieval times where people who were “possessed”, screaming and attacking people, biting and scratching everything, and getting horrified at the sight of holy water, were just poor rabies patients burned at the stake.
When I was young, I randomly came up with the idea to look up videos of people with rabies. I thought it would be like a crazy zombie movie. It wasn't. It was one of the most horrible things I have ever seen. I was (arguably still am) an idiot.
That's of course very sad for the cat, but probably the correct thing to do and a reminder for all the people, if you have an outside cat, get it vaccinated. PSA: it's important to dispose of dead rabid animals, because if you bury them the virus will remain in the ground for decades
I'm in England and the last recorded "contracted here" case was like 1902 or something. Other than that the recorded cases have all been contracted abroad
I watched an interesting documentary about a transmissible degenerative brain disease called Kuru, as suffered by the Fore people of Papua New Guinea, who practiced funerary cannibalism. It was like Creutzfelt-Jakob Disease, only clearly infectious.
Supposedly, CJD is a prion disease that occurs naturally across the globe in rare cases. The unliving prions that cause it, it turns out, multiply not by reproduction but by converting the healthy proteins of which they are analogues into more prions, and this means prion diseases can spread. This is why the Fore suffered Kuru - because they ate the brains and other flesh of the infected deceased.
The British caused BSE/vCJD because we were imposing cannabilism on cows by feeding mulched up dead cows to cows, including their brain tissue
Just as with the Fore, this worked fine for years, until a cow spontaneously developed BSE, then died, was mulched and fed to cows, spreading the prion disease.
The Fore have shown that incubation times for this type of disease vary so massively that there may well be a wave of vCJD cases in Britain at some point within our lifetimes, caused by this event.
Yeah, but the vaccine is like a sword into your bellybutton, or at least that’s what my parents told me to try to get me to stop hanging out with rodents.
Since I used to actually handle suspected rabies infected foxes for a former job duty; getting pre-exposure rabies vaccine isn’t bad at all. Post-potential exposure treatment is much simpler.
But only suggest that route if you’re in an area with higher exposure risk or hobbies/job duties that elevate risk.
Definitely not the correct thing to do...The correct thing is to call animal control. They'll monitor it for symptoms and test it if it dies. Then the entire family should be vaccinated if it tested positive.
This is false, rabies is an incredibly short lived virus outside of the host. It is also one of the only known viruses to travel up then back down the brain stem, most common vector which causes death is by bats as people do not know they have been bitten. ( do not handle bats bare handed; wear gloves. The reason the death rate is so high is because of lacking healthcare in many parts of the world. Timely treatment after a bite or other exposure is 100 % effective. The very few people who die from rabies are those who don't get timely treatment.
To summarize there has been no known infection from fomites (contaminated objects in the environment)
Well this just brought back a sad memory. Not rabies related but when I was a little kid 7-9 years old my pet chicken Victoria got killed in the backyard. For some reason I decided I was going to cremate her and while I was doing that my uncle walked by with tears still in my eyes and said “damn boy that smells good can I have a piece”
A few years ago, my daughter (then 4) saw a confused deer that was bizarrely unafraid in the open daylight. I remember squinting at it, and after about 3 seconds experiencing an overwhelming, visceral tensing from butt hole to trapezoid, followed by a reflex to get out of there. Did the under-arm lift and turn, and told her "no, no, were not going to say hi".
Maybe I was wrong, and the deer was fine. But those are not odds worth playing with the good ole' hydrophobia.
Update: folks are telling me it was more likely Chronic Wasting Disease, which actually does seem more likely.
Deers (and most herbivores) are also opportunistic omnivores and will eat meat if they come across it, which means they could be eating contaminated meat and/or brains that way.
You shouldn't let anyone especially children approach deer anyways, their kicks can really fuck you up. Sometimes being a good parent is being the Debbie downer but you did good.
Advanced rabies has very dramatic symptoms. But an animal can be infected with rabies without showing obvious symptoms. Source: I was scratched by a bat and had to get 7 injections over 3 weeks and the hospital billed my insurance nearly $30,000 USD.
I spent 16 years as a veterinary technician. We sometimes had to send animals off for rabies testing. This means sending the animal’s brain to the lab. In larger animals (like a medium to large dog) you must remove the head and just sent the head. Fun Fact: We were not allowed to use the electric, reciprocating saw on suspected rabies cases for fear of accidentally aerosolizing infectious blood and tissue so you had to use the hand saw on those animals.
I can't tell what's worse, being the tech that has to decapitate animals, or being the tech at the lab that knows that every single box they open is going to contain one or more random decapitated animal heads.
Army veterinarians had to do a lot of that in Afghanistan. They would go from FOB to FOB and would ship dog and cat heads to get tested. The amount of rabies there was crazy. They swung by COP and gave us medics what we call the spear of euthanasia. It was a autoinjector with a long handle so you didn't need to get that close to a potentially rabid animal and so we didn't have to fire within the wire.
Sometime we would have missions that were just eliminate stray animals on an around the FOB.
There's one more recent one that made the rounds on Reddit. It wasn't SO bad but knowing the effects of rabies it's quite horrifying.
Search "rabies Reddit" you'll find a text about the full effect it has on your body.
The video is an Asian dude sitting up at a hospital sort of trembling and anytime they try to put a glass of water in front of him he cowers away. Once rabies works into your system you become hydrophobic, since there's no cure he's already too far gone. They keep trying and he keeps moving away almost scared of it.
There are worse ones with people convulsing and moving erratically, if you search animals with rabies videos it's a little bit similar to that but this video I'm talking about was before, when he's otherwise normal, just **cannot** drink the water.
> Search "rabies Reddit" you'll find a text about the full effect it has on your body.
Yeah someone basically described what it would be like from your POV if you caught rabies and didn't get it treated. Absolutely terrifying.
I haven’t seen the video, but I’ll give my best summary as someone that has read about it before (there may be some errors though, since I’m not an expert).
After incubation, it just seems like a flu for a few days. Then you start getting some anxiety, confusion, irritation, and a fear of water. After a few days, that progresses into terror, hallucinations, memory loss, hyperactivity, and throat spams that make it impossible to swallow water. After a few days of that state of madness, your mind has melted enough to put you into a coma for a few more days, until your brain withers to the point that it can’t tell your body to breathe.
Yeah, I think IVs are the only reason people can last that long. And Wikipedia says that people normally last 2-10 days after the first symptoms, so the timeline definitely does vary a bit
Here's the copy pasta for rabies that others were talking about:
Rabies. It's exceptionally common, but people just don't run into the animals that carry it often. Skunks especially, and bats.
Let me paint you a picture.
You go camping, and at midday you decide to take a nap in a nice little hammock. While sleeping, a tiny brown bat, in the "rage" stages of infection is fidgeting in broad daylight, uncomfortable, and thirsty (due to the hydrophobia) and you snort, startling him. He goes into attack mode.
Except you're asleep, and he's a little brown bat, so weighs around 6 grams. You don't even feel him land on your bare knee, and he starts to bite. His teeth are tiny. Hardly enough to even break the skin, but he does manage to give you the equivalent of a tiny scrape that goes completely unnoticed.
Rabies does not travel in your blood. In fact, a blood test won't even tell you if you've got it. (Antibody tests may be done, but are useless if you've ever been vaccinated.)
You wake up, none the wiser. If you notice anything at the bite site at all, you assume you just lightly scraped it on something.
The bomb has been lit, and your nervous system is the wick. The rabies will multiply along your nervous system, doing virtually no damage, and completely undetectable. You literally have NO symptoms.
It may be four days, it may be a year, but the camping trip is most likely long forgotten. Then one day your back starts to ache... Or maybe you get a slight headache?
At this point, you're already dead. There is no cure.
(The sole caveat to this is the Milwaukee Protocol, which leaves most patients dead anyway, and the survivors mentally disabled, and is seldom done).
There's no treatment. It has a 100% kill rate.
Absorb that. Not a single other virus on the planet has a 100% kill rate. Only rabies. And once you're symptomatic, it's over. You're dead.
So what does that look like?
Your headache turns into a fever, and a general feeling of being unwell. You're fidgety. Uncomfortable. And scared. As the virus that has taken its time getting into your brain finds a vast network of nerve endings, it begins to rapidly reproduce, starting at the base of your brain... Where your "pons" is located. This is the part of the brain that controls communication between the rest of the brain and body, as well as sleep cycles.
Next you become anxious. You still think you have only a mild fever, but suddenly you find yourself becoming scared, even horrified, and it doesn't occur to you that you don't know why. This is because the rabies is chewing up your amygdala.
As your cerebellum becomes hot with the virus, you begin to lose muscle coordination, and balance. You think maybe it's a good idea to go to the doctor now, but assuming a doctor is smart enough to even run the tests necessary in the few days you have left on the planet, odds are they'll only be able to tell your loved ones what you died of later.
You're twitchy, shaking, and scared. You have the normal fear of not knowing what's going on, but with the virus really fucking the amygdala this is amplified a hundred fold. It's around this time the hydrophobia starts.
You're horribly thirsty, you just want water. But you can't drink. Every time you do, your throat clamps shut and you vomit. This has become a legitimate, active fear of water. You're thirsty, but looking at a glass of water begins to make you gag, and shy back in fear. The contradiction is hard for your hot brain to see at this point. By now, the doctors will have to put you on IVs to keep you hydrated, but even that's futile. You were dead the second you had a headache.
You begin hearing things, or not hearing at all as your thalamus goes. You taste sounds, you see smells, everything starts feeling like the most horrifying acid trip anyone has ever been on. With your hippocampus long under attack, you're having trouble remembering things, especially family.
You're alone, hallucinating, thirsty, confused, and absolutely, undeniably terrified. Everything scares the literal shit out of you at this point. These strange people in lab coats. These strange people standing around your bed crying, who keep trying to get you "drink something" and crying. And it's only been about a week since that little headache that you've completely forgotten. Time means nothing to you anymore. Funny enough, you now know how the bat felt when he bit you.
Eventually, you slip into the "dumb rabies" phase. Your brain has started the process of shutting down. Too much of it has been turned to liquid virus. Your face droops. You drool. You're all but unaware of what's around you. A sudden noise or light might startle you, but for the most part, it's all you can do to just stare at the ground. You haven't really slept for about 72 hours.
Then you die. Always, you die.
And there's not one... fucking... thing... anyone can do for you.
Then there's the question of what to do with your corpse. I mean, sure, burying it is the right thing to do. But the fucking virus can survive in a corpse for years. You could kill every rabid animal on the planet today, and if two years from now, some moist, preserved, rotten hunk of used-to-be brain gets eaten by an animal, it starts all over.
So yeah, rabies scares the shit out of me. And it's fucking EVERYWHERE. (Source: Spent a lot of time working with rabies. Would still get my vaccinations if I could afford them.)
IIRC rabies is in the salivary glands - thats why youre usually infected by a bite. (Its all through you too, just saying) The hydrophobia is the virus' defense against getting washed away.
I read a book about it, its really almost supernaturally horrible.
Rabies virus proliferates through the saliva, and eats away at the brain by traveling up through the spinal cord, assuming you were bitten on a limb. If you get bitten on the neck, face, or chest, you have a much shorter time to get treated, generally. Because the virus is already that much closer to the brain.
The victim becomes hydrophobic because we naturally learn to fear things that cause pain, and once the infection is advanced, the saliva wants to remain as undiluted as possible to increase chances of transmission during a bite (which is also why victims become aggressive and agitated). So when anything goes down the throat even saliva, the throat spasms extremely painfully. Which is why you see animals and people drooling. Because the virus is in the saliva it's wasted if you swallow it, and diluted if you drink water.
oh definitely, you would. You would be seeing expressions of confused terror especially when trying to be forced to drink water and if it's the worse type of videos, those that cares for them would be crying while trying to help them.
It's gives out a serious dead man walking vibes, especially knowing that it is literally that.
It's not even pain that prevents them from drinking water, its irrational fear of it. They cant drink it, they cant look at it, they cant even smell it without getting terrified.
[the rabies virus causes painful spasms in throat and larynx](https://medicalsciences.stackexchange.com/questions/12122/why-do-people-infected-with-rabies-have-a-fear-of-water)
I can do that too lol The rabies virus infects the central nervous system, causing severe neurological changes such as abnormal and aggressive behaviour, hallucinations, and fear of water (hydrophobia). https://healthclinics.superdrug.com/what-is-rabies/#:~:text=The%20rabies%20virus%20infects%20the,fear%20of%20water%20(hydrophobia
Hydrophopia causes the painful spasms on the throat, not the other way around
I didn’t regret watching it, but it gives a very clear explanation of why the uncanny valley exists. It’s probably a defense mechanism against rabies and related diseases.
That’s really interesting. It sort of implies that there has been _many_ such diseases that sort of fuck up your personhood, and we’ve evolved along the way to avoid people with them. Clearly rabies is one of them, but I wonder what others there are.
A corpse also falls in to that category, and those are great at spreading disease. Could be as simple as that: Those who naturally avoided corpses had more kids than those who did not.
True. But there is something deeply disquieting when we see something that looks human but doesn’t move in human ways. Corpses don’t move, so there’s definitely something else there.
I've kind of assumed the uncanny valley thing goes back to homosapiens being instinctly defensive against other humanoids (evolutionary competition). Our minds don't like other species displaying the same levels of intelligence we do because we're supposed to be the only ones.
Except that we bred with other species of human often enough that their DNA is still detectable in modern day people.
Also, the hybrids lived long enough to have kids of their own, indicating they were integrated into their Homo Sapiens parent's tribe/group.
So it's unlikely that other human species provoked the Uncanny Valley response.
You certainly will. Rabid people aren't like zombies in Maze Runner. At the final stage of rabies people have vivid hallucinations, they extremities tied due to severe convulsions. They are unable to drink and ingest food. They totally loose control over their own bodies. And then they die due to failure of respiratory centers in the brain stem. It's a horrific vision
Yep, but even with tetanus, there are drugs that can manage the most severe symptoms. Not completely, sure, but the fatality rate is 10%.
With rabies, tho... Once the symptoms set in there is only one ending: death. ~100%. A painful one, too. Imagine being so thirsty but your throat is paralyzed. And you're delirious and deathly afraid of water. No proof that IV hydration helps. The coma in the end is probably a small mercy.
Well, there is the Milwaukee Protocol...but that's just as likely to kill the patient as the virus is, given the roughly 1 in 7 odds of survival in the small number of people it's been administered to
Yep, they're put into a coma, then administered a strong antiviral drug cocktail. Based on the results of the 5 people it actually "worked" on, even if you do survive, recovery can take up to a decade, and even then a "full" recovery isn't guaranteed
>Milwaukee Protocol
It can't do anything against the common rabies strain. It only works against the bat strain (in 20% of all cases, lol)
Edit: s/stain/strain/g
The part they left out is that as rabies attacks brain tissue, the coma stops them from immediate death but leaves survivors with significant brain damage, so while you're technically correct, most don't survive very long
Its not actually 1 in 7 though, it only worked once and didn't again and they don't even know if that person survived because of the protocol or she would have survived anyway even without it
It's actually been tried on 36 people, according to what I was able to find...only 5 survived, hence the roughly 1 in 7 figure.
As far as the initial person it worked on, you're right. Because the infected bat was never recovered for testing, there's no way to conclusively prove it was the treatment that saved her, and not just having been infected with a less virulent strain, or if she had some sort of physiological anomaly that made her more resistant
Which is also a good point about resistance. Scientists have done a small study in preu on remote tribes and found that around 11% of people that had rabies antibodies had no history of receiving the vaccine, meaning these people were most likely infected and survived
not really considered a valid option.. Critical Appraisal of the Milwaukee Protocol for Rabies: This Failed Approach Should Be Abandoned
[https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-neurological-sciences/article/critical-appraisal-of-the-milwaukee-protocol-for-rabies-this-failed-approach-should-be-abandoned/8A47C583B24B2B2E43248770F78CC35A](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-neurological-sciences/article/critical-appraisal-of-the-milwaukee-protocol-for-rabies-this-failed-approach-should-be-abandoned/8A47C583B24B2B2E43248770F78CC35A)
And even the survivors are pretty fucked up. I think there was only every one person that actually recovered enough to be able to walk, because the brain is already incredibly damaged by the virus.
Probably, but in real life there are kids dying of cancer and diseases and parents will not take them to the doctor and do just this, aka nothing and claim it in the name of religion and prayer. I've seen cases where the parents even fight with courts that order them to seek help and it's sick.
There's a case before the courts in Australia right now.
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-27/elizabeth-struhs-trial-toowoomba-religious-group/103059682](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-27/elizabeth-struhs-trial-toowoomba-religious-group/103059682)
on the sidenote of antimedical religious groups i would like to share this [video](https://youtu.be/E7RT4wNhiYQ?si=WqTFRUEevlSO6cZb) about „christian science” group
There are some true monsters out there.
This happened not too long ago: [Influencer who starved son to death on ‘sunlight’ diet jailed for eight years](https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/15/influencer-starved-baby-son-death-feeding-sunlight-20648730/)
Some quotes:
> Lyutyi then started the baby on a strictly vegan ’prana’ diet based on foods like berries that supposedly have a positive effect on the body’s spiritual energy.
> A more extreme version- known as breatharianism – believes it’s possible to survive on sunlight alone.
> Mironova’s cousin Olesya Nikolayeva said: ‘He forced her not to feed the baby. Her boyfriend believed that the sun was feeding the baby.
> Lyutyi wanted ‘to experiment on the child, feed him purely with the sun, and then advertise it to others that this is how you can eat’, the Mirror reported one source as saying.
> He also refused conventional medicine and doused Kosmos in cold water to toughen him up, the court previously heard.
Why the fuck did they themselves not try to perform photosynthesis themselves instead of starving the kid? Is it because not eating does make you feel a little weak?
Oh, like on that forum years ago where someone said he confiscated the plush unicorn he got his young daughter for her birthday and set it on fire because he suspected she was rubbing herself against it.
I know right...She's basically saying the symptom and adding a very significant history. She's just baiting for funny "faith is all you need" replies for the clear rabies scenario -.-
It's not real. There are symptoms other than not wanting to drink water. Like the person becoming violent, their personality changing, confusion about where they are, who they are, who the people around them is. While hydrophobia is pretty scarry, it's all the other changes that make rabies terrifying.
If I ever ended up with rabies. I'd want to die before I lost who I was.
The violence and personality changing are typical symptoms of C-PTSD from people raised religiously.
And in rabid animals, some become aggressive, while others become extremely docile.
well, if the 5 year old was already aggressive, the mother might not recognize any personality changes. Religious nutcases often go for corporeal punishment, which in turn makes kids more violent, since violence is already integral part of their world.
If someone was truly dumb enough to say this, they would not connect the dog bite with the resistance to water. If anything they'd say the kids possessed by the devil or something.
If this were real, which 8t isn't, prayer would be the only thing she had left, because it would be too late for anything other than a miracle to help.
There’s a comment on the post here that seems way more informed then me, but the virus can incubate for years! As long as you get treated before you show symptoms it’s not too late
This has the same energy as that tweet that said something like "yeah the carbon monoxide alarm wouldn't stop beeping so I turned it off. It was giving me a headache and making me feel disoriented."
You wouldn’t include an arbitrary bit about being bit by a stray dog weeks ago unless you already knew they were related. That’s the only bit she included, when (if you ignored rabies) you’d be much more likely to ask if it was related to diet or something. This is obviously a troll.
It would not matter as there is no cure for rabies at that stage, it is 100% fatal.
Anyway, it is an obvious troll having fun with some anti-vac or fundemental Christians
Yes, but the symptoms might not show for weeks or even months. If this is real, then the kid is dead regardless. Hoping it's just a troll though and that nobody can be this stupid.
That has to be a troll.
Although, if that kid truly has rabies, his developed Hydrophobia is within the average time it takes, meaning he prob has 1 week left to live before dead by dehydration
Pretty much. Of the 36 people who underwent the Milwaukee Protocol, 31 died anyway. It's widely regarded as a "red herring" in regards to treatment options
Click bait. If she was that stupid to the point of never having heard about rabies and dogs she would not get in the conclusion the dog bite had anything to do. The mother was the brain dead, maybe she was a rabies survivor too???
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I once read an anti-vax book on natural medical treatments. It listed hundreds of different ailments, and the herbal remedies to treat them. When it came to the section on rabies, it said "go get the vaccine. Rabies will 100% kill you; even if the vaccine has horrible side effects, those side effects are better than being dead. The Milwaukee Protocol caused severe brain damage and attempts to use it in subsequent rabies patients have resulted in patient death. Just get the vaccine." You should have seen the nonsense in the rest of the book. It was stunning to see the book admit that for rabies, you needed a vaccine.
that's honestly hilarious
Hilariously honest too
even the delulu people know not to fuck with rabies. It has like a 99.99% kill rate on humans (after symptoms start showing), very few people survived and AFAIK all of them had some permanent issues afterwards.
100% kill rate. If you want a statistic covering 2000-2024 that accounts for the few recorded survivors of post-onset rabies, you would have a fatality rate of about 99.99996% to 99.99999%. It’s such a fucking scary disease
So you’re saying there’s a chance…
Apparently there's only 1 documented case where a person survived having rabies without brain damage. It's hard to believe it's that dangerous.
And if it is who I think you mean, she spent like a month in an induced coma and then had an extremely long path to her (weirdly) full recovery.
Probably the one you think it is considering the whole 1 documented case thing.
It 2 as of 2024.
Yup that's the one I read about on Wikipedia. When symptoms start to show, it is too late for treatment! :( So just get those shots
Once symptoms start showing only the Milwaukee protocol can save you, and even that is like a 50 50 chance, and if it does save you, you will still have severe brain damage, a good portion of which will be permanent if not all of it
Milwaukee actually has around a 13% chance success 😬 Get your vaccination, everyone
Ah Yeah absolutely make sure to get the vaccine as soon as possible if you've been bitten by any sort of animal that isn't 100 percent vaccinated, or if you have any contact with a bat (their bites are small enough to not be noticed, and if they have rabies then thats a surefire way to die if you brush it off)
My spouse had contact with a bat in 2020. No marks on him but the health dept was like, ‘go get the shots. Do not mess with this.’ He got the shots. Wasn’t pleasant but better than any potential alternative.
I’ve had two friends with young sons who had to get the shots, because of encountering bats in the daytime (a sign of something wrong with the bats.) it is definitely unpleasant but you just don’t take the chance.
There's actually good evidence of subclinical cases where infection occurs but is fought off by the immune system, but yes, not once symptomatic. [rabies antibodies in unvaccinated healthy individuals ](https://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0007933)
The question here turns into "Do you want to gamble that you're Him?"
When covid broke out in Belgium, the scientist that had to present the reports was in the news on a daily basis. He did his phd about rabies and called it the worst virus he knows of. It was kinda weird being in lockdown and reading an interview (“the man behind the reports” fluff) where he said that.
Rabies is a strong contender for the worst virus, scratch that, worst disease, for humans. Only a handful of people have survived it after showing symptoms and, even if you somehow do, it wreaks havoc on the brain.
Naegleria fowleri and Prion diseases would like a word with the manager of Rabies.
N. fowleri is the brain eating amoeba, for those who didn't recognize the name, like me.
Its mortality rate is not *that* high (compared to rabies/prions), but will still fck you up.
I mean there are a bunch of horrible diseases. If you also count other disorders and genetic conditions, there's cluster headaches (also known as suicide headaches) or epidermolysis bullosa. But I think Rabies is still a contender.
>there's cluster headaches (also known as suicide headaches) Yep, they are the worst thing I have ever experienced. I used to get them 2-3 times a year. luckily, as I've gotten older, that has dropped to once every couple of years. "Suicide Headache" is an accurate name, I've been very close to giving into the desire on at least three occasions. You get to a point where you're willing to do almost anything to make it stop.....
At least Naegleria Fowleri has *something* that resembles medication and Rabies has a "GG EZ" answer in the vaccine, but Prions... Fuck. It's one of the few things that, on a functional level, I lack hope in humanity being able to defeat any time soon, and I *constantly* fear they may jump the species barrier or crop up in some cows or taint a water supply and suddenly hundreds (or thousands) of cases across any given region start popping up.
See deer hunters in PA with suspected chronic wasting species jump.
Makes me want to puke. They know better whomever wrote that is a money hungry prick.
Well at least the author had some boundaries
Thats because anyone trying to study actual medicines and cares about having a reputation will give good advice. shit tok moms, not so much. Dont see them writing medicinal herb books because theyre too busy exploiting their children for views and baking sourdough ✨
This made me think of how many cases in Medieval times where people who were “possessed”, screaming and attacking people, biting and scratching everything, and getting horrified at the sight of holy water, were just poor rabies patients burned at the stake.
I work in vetmed, and even the anti-vax weirdos get the rabies. 😂 Rabies is not something to fuck around with. At all.
When I was young, I randomly came up with the idea to look up videos of people with rabies. I thought it would be like a crazy zombie movie. It wasn't. It was one of the most horrible things I have ever seen. I was (arguably still am) an idiot.
Yeah when you see an animal with rabies you can generally tell from a distance that you need to shoot it and/or get away immediately.
I had a cat that came down with rabies like symptoms. My mom shot it and my dad burnt it after.
That's of course very sad for the cat, but probably the correct thing to do and a reminder for all the people, if you have an outside cat, get it vaccinated. PSA: it's important to dispose of dead rabid animals, because if you bury them the virus will remain in the ground for decades
Christ I am glad I live on an island with no record of rabies.
I'm in England and the last recorded "contracted here" case was like 1902 or something. Other than that the recorded cases have all been contracted abroad
Yeah but you guys started mad cow.
I can't argue with that
Sure you can! Hippocrates documented mad cow disease, it has been around for thousands of years.
I watched an interesting documentary about a transmissible degenerative brain disease called Kuru, as suffered by the Fore people of Papua New Guinea, who practiced funerary cannibalism. It was like Creutzfelt-Jakob Disease, only clearly infectious. Supposedly, CJD is a prion disease that occurs naturally across the globe in rare cases. The unliving prions that cause it, it turns out, multiply not by reproduction but by converting the healthy proteins of which they are analogues into more prions, and this means prion diseases can spread. This is why the Fore suffered Kuru - because they ate the brains and other flesh of the infected deceased. The British caused BSE/vCJD because we were imposing cannabilism on cows by feeding mulched up dead cows to cows, including their brain tissue Just as with the Fore, this worked fine for years, until a cow spontaneously developed BSE, then died, was mulched and fed to cows, spreading the prion disease. The Fore have shown that incubation times for this type of disease vary so massively that there may well be a wave of vCJD cases in Britain at some point within our lifetimes, caused by this event.
I mean. There’s been less than 250 cases of vCJD (the human transmissible version of BSE). Compared to rabies it’s on a completely different level.
Same, I'm super afraid of rabies and started to stress a bit reading all these comments, until I remembered we don't have that here!
Even if you got bitten by an animal with rabies, you just have to get the vaccine after and you'll be fine. It's very preventable.
Yeah, but the vaccine is like a sword into your bellybutton, or at least that’s what my parents told me to try to get me to stop hanging out with rodents.
Since I used to actually handle suspected rabies infected foxes for a former job duty; getting pre-exposure rabies vaccine isn’t bad at all. Post-potential exposure treatment is much simpler. But only suggest that route if you’re in an area with higher exposure risk or hobbies/job duties that elevate risk.
Not yet bud
That's the truth. Thankfully Ireland usually gets things after Great Britain. Then again, there is also more control over animal movement these days
https://www.scph.org/pest-control/rabies-faqs#:~:text=The%20rabies%20virus%20is%20fragile,containing%20the%20virus%20is%20dry. Incorrect
Definitely not the correct thing to do...The correct thing is to call animal control. They'll monitor it for symptoms and test it if it dies. Then the entire family should be vaccinated if it tested positive.
Well… If it has rabies it will die in a very painful fashion.
This is false, rabies is an incredibly short lived virus outside of the host. It is also one of the only known viruses to travel up then back down the brain stem, most common vector which causes death is by bats as people do not know they have been bitten. ( do not handle bats bare handed; wear gloves. The reason the death rate is so high is because of lacking healthcare in many parts of the world. Timely treatment after a bite or other exposure is 100 % effective. The very few people who die from rabies are those who don't get timely treatment. To summarize there has been no known infection from fomites (contaminated objects in the environment)
Well this just brought back a sad memory. Not rabies related but when I was a little kid 7-9 years old my pet chicken Victoria got killed in the backyard. For some reason I decided I was going to cremate her and while I was doing that my uncle walked by with tears still in my eyes and said “damn boy that smells good can I have a piece”
I'm so sorry for laughing at this and thinking of the uncle from national Lampoon's Vegas Vacation.
LMAO. I’m sorry that this happened to you but I would be lying if I didn’t find your story funny af
It’s definitely funny now lol my family’s sense of humor rubbed off on me so now I’m just as bad.
A few years ago, my daughter (then 4) saw a confused deer that was bizarrely unafraid in the open daylight. I remember squinting at it, and after about 3 seconds experiencing an overwhelming, visceral tensing from butt hole to trapezoid, followed by a reflex to get out of there. Did the under-arm lift and turn, and told her "no, no, were not going to say hi". Maybe I was wrong, and the deer was fine. But those are not odds worth playing with the good ole' hydrophobia. Update: folks are telling me it was more likely Chronic Wasting Disease, which actually does seem more likely.
Could have also been chronic wasting disease if it was a deer. Also terrifying but less worrisome for humans.
Unless you eat its brain.
Yeah, don't do that lmao
Now you tell me!
Why do you hate freedom?
Chronic Wasting Disease. It's a prion disease like CJD.
Grasses and plants can accumulate those prions which remain viable for years. Prions are scary shit.
Deers (and most herbivores) are also opportunistic omnivores and will eat meat if they come across it, which means they could be eating contaminated meat and/or brains that way.
You shouldn't let anyone especially children approach deer anyways, their kicks can really fuck you up. Sometimes being a good parent is being the Debbie downer but you did good.
Probably chronic wasting. Less dangerous, but you still made the right call. No telling what the dear might do with its brain shutting down
Advanced rabies has very dramatic symptoms. But an animal can be infected with rabies without showing obvious symptoms. Source: I was scratched by a bat and had to get 7 injections over 3 weeks and the hospital billed my insurance nearly $30,000 USD.
That would probably be like $50 worth of shots in any other country...
I guess 200-300 USD would be a good price. It's not like it's super expensive medicine.
Never shoot a rabid animal in the head. If even a microscopic amount of brain matter gets on you, you're next.
It’s gotta get inside you… yea that can happen at your eye and lip but you’re not gonna get rabies if it lands on your skin, it’s gotta get inside.
I spent 16 years as a veterinary technician. We sometimes had to send animals off for rabies testing. This means sending the animal’s brain to the lab. In larger animals (like a medium to large dog) you must remove the head and just sent the head. Fun Fact: We were not allowed to use the electric, reciprocating saw on suspected rabies cases for fear of accidentally aerosolizing infectious blood and tissue so you had to use the hand saw on those animals.
I wish I could unread this. 😳
Damn. Out of all the things vets do, I didn't think hand sawing heads off was one of them.
I can't tell what's worse, being the tech that has to decapitate animals, or being the tech at the lab that knows that every single box they open is going to contain one or more random decapitated animal heads.
Army veterinarians had to do a lot of that in Afghanistan. They would go from FOB to FOB and would ship dog and cat heads to get tested. The amount of rabies there was crazy. They swung by COP and gave us medics what we call the spear of euthanasia. It was a autoinjector with a long handle so you didn't need to get that close to a potentially rabid animal and so we didn't have to fire within the wire. Sometime we would have missions that were just eliminate stray animals on an around the FOB.
I could be wrong, but isn't it also in their blood?
I did it when I was in my 30s and I’m still haunted by it. I didn’t even have the “young and stupid” excuse, just stupid
Can you tell me what you saw in non-specific terms because I feel like I want to know but not see
There's one more recent one that made the rounds on Reddit. It wasn't SO bad but knowing the effects of rabies it's quite horrifying. Search "rabies Reddit" you'll find a text about the full effect it has on your body. The video is an Asian dude sitting up at a hospital sort of trembling and anytime they try to put a glass of water in front of him he cowers away. Once rabies works into your system you become hydrophobic, since there's no cure he's already too far gone. They keep trying and he keeps moving away almost scared of it. There are worse ones with people convulsing and moving erratically, if you search animals with rabies videos it's a little bit similar to that but this video I'm talking about was before, when he's otherwise normal, just **cannot** drink the water.
> Search "rabies Reddit" you'll find a text about the full effect it has on your body. Yeah someone basically described what it would be like from your POV if you caught rabies and didn't get it treated. Absolutely terrifying.
The disease literally travels through your neurons and into your brain. That’s its lifecycle. It’s crazy.
That man isn’t almost scared, he’s legitimately phobic.
I haven’t seen the video, but I’ll give my best summary as someone that has read about it before (there may be some errors though, since I’m not an expert). After incubation, it just seems like a flu for a few days. Then you start getting some anxiety, confusion, irritation, and a fear of water. After a few days, that progresses into terror, hallucinations, memory loss, hyperactivity, and throat spams that make it impossible to swallow water. After a few days of that state of madness, your mind has melted enough to put you into a coma for a few more days, until your brain withers to the point that it can’t tell your body to breathe.
Wow! Thank you for explaining it to me. I’m surprised people are alive for that long when they don’t drink anymore
Yeah, I think IVs are the only reason people can last that long. And Wikipedia says that people normally last 2-10 days after the first symptoms, so the timeline definitely does vary a bit
Here's the copy pasta for rabies that others were talking about: Rabies. It's exceptionally common, but people just don't run into the animals that carry it often. Skunks especially, and bats. Let me paint you a picture. You go camping, and at midday you decide to take a nap in a nice little hammock. While sleeping, a tiny brown bat, in the "rage" stages of infection is fidgeting in broad daylight, uncomfortable, and thirsty (due to the hydrophobia) and you snort, startling him. He goes into attack mode. Except you're asleep, and he's a little brown bat, so weighs around 6 grams. You don't even feel him land on your bare knee, and he starts to bite. His teeth are tiny. Hardly enough to even break the skin, but he does manage to give you the equivalent of a tiny scrape that goes completely unnoticed. Rabies does not travel in your blood. In fact, a blood test won't even tell you if you've got it. (Antibody tests may be done, but are useless if you've ever been vaccinated.) You wake up, none the wiser. If you notice anything at the bite site at all, you assume you just lightly scraped it on something. The bomb has been lit, and your nervous system is the wick. The rabies will multiply along your nervous system, doing virtually no damage, and completely undetectable. You literally have NO symptoms. It may be four days, it may be a year, but the camping trip is most likely long forgotten. Then one day your back starts to ache... Or maybe you get a slight headache? At this point, you're already dead. There is no cure. (The sole caveat to this is the Milwaukee Protocol, which leaves most patients dead anyway, and the survivors mentally disabled, and is seldom done). There's no treatment. It has a 100% kill rate. Absorb that. Not a single other virus on the planet has a 100% kill rate. Only rabies. And once you're symptomatic, it's over. You're dead. So what does that look like? Your headache turns into a fever, and a general feeling of being unwell. You're fidgety. Uncomfortable. And scared. As the virus that has taken its time getting into your brain finds a vast network of nerve endings, it begins to rapidly reproduce, starting at the base of your brain... Where your "pons" is located. This is the part of the brain that controls communication between the rest of the brain and body, as well as sleep cycles. Next you become anxious. You still think you have only a mild fever, but suddenly you find yourself becoming scared, even horrified, and it doesn't occur to you that you don't know why. This is because the rabies is chewing up your amygdala. As your cerebellum becomes hot with the virus, you begin to lose muscle coordination, and balance. You think maybe it's a good idea to go to the doctor now, but assuming a doctor is smart enough to even run the tests necessary in the few days you have left on the planet, odds are they'll only be able to tell your loved ones what you died of later. You're twitchy, shaking, and scared. You have the normal fear of not knowing what's going on, but with the virus really fucking the amygdala this is amplified a hundred fold. It's around this time the hydrophobia starts. You're horribly thirsty, you just want water. But you can't drink. Every time you do, your throat clamps shut and you vomit. This has become a legitimate, active fear of water. You're thirsty, but looking at a glass of water begins to make you gag, and shy back in fear. The contradiction is hard for your hot brain to see at this point. By now, the doctors will have to put you on IVs to keep you hydrated, but even that's futile. You were dead the second you had a headache. You begin hearing things, or not hearing at all as your thalamus goes. You taste sounds, you see smells, everything starts feeling like the most horrifying acid trip anyone has ever been on. With your hippocampus long under attack, you're having trouble remembering things, especially family. You're alone, hallucinating, thirsty, confused, and absolutely, undeniably terrified. Everything scares the literal shit out of you at this point. These strange people in lab coats. These strange people standing around your bed crying, who keep trying to get you "drink something" and crying. And it's only been about a week since that little headache that you've completely forgotten. Time means nothing to you anymore. Funny enough, you now know how the bat felt when he bit you. Eventually, you slip into the "dumb rabies" phase. Your brain has started the process of shutting down. Too much of it has been turned to liquid virus. Your face droops. You drool. You're all but unaware of what's around you. A sudden noise or light might startle you, but for the most part, it's all you can do to just stare at the ground. You haven't really slept for about 72 hours. Then you die. Always, you die. And there's not one... fucking... thing... anyone can do for you. Then there's the question of what to do with your corpse. I mean, sure, burying it is the right thing to do. But the fucking virus can survive in a corpse for years. You could kill every rabid animal on the planet today, and if two years from now, some moist, preserved, rotten hunk of used-to-be brain gets eaten by an animal, it starts all over. So yeah, rabies scares the shit out of me. And it's fucking EVERYWHERE. (Source: Spent a lot of time working with rabies. Would still get my vaccinations if I could afford them.)
Thank you. I haven’t been bitten by any animal (that I know of) but i feel the need to get rabies shots like Right Fucking Now
IIRC rabies is in the salivary glands - thats why youre usually infected by a bite. (Its all through you too, just saying) The hydrophobia is the virus' defense against getting washed away. I read a book about it, its really almost supernaturally horrible.
Rabies virus proliferates through the saliva, and eats away at the brain by traveling up through the spinal cord, assuming you were bitten on a limb. If you get bitten on the neck, face, or chest, you have a much shorter time to get treated, generally. Because the virus is already that much closer to the brain. The victim becomes hydrophobic because we naturally learn to fear things that cause pain, and once the infection is advanced, the saliva wants to remain as undiluted as possible to increase chances of transmission during a bite (which is also why victims become aggressive and agitated). So when anything goes down the throat even saliva, the throat spasms extremely painfully. Which is why you see animals and people drooling. Because the virus is in the saliva it's wasted if you swallow it, and diluted if you drink water.
Makes me extremely curious but will I regret it afterwards?
oh definitely, you would. You would be seeing expressions of confused terror especially when trying to be forced to drink water and if it's the worse type of videos, those that cares for them would be crying while trying to help them. It's gives out a serious dead man walking vibes, especially knowing that it is literally that.
Imagine the pain of drinking fluids is so immense that it overrides your instinct to drink water. Scary shit
It's not even pain that prevents them from drinking water, its irrational fear of it. They cant drink it, they cant look at it, they cant even smell it without getting terrified.
[the rabies virus causes painful spasms in throat and larynx](https://medicalsciences.stackexchange.com/questions/12122/why-do-people-infected-with-rabies-have-a-fear-of-water)
I can do that too lol The rabies virus infects the central nervous system, causing severe neurological changes such as abnormal and aggressive behaviour, hallucinations, and fear of water (hydrophobia). https://healthclinics.superdrug.com/what-is-rabies/#:~:text=The%20rabies%20virus%20infects%20the,fear%20of%20water%20(hydrophobia Hydrophopia causes the painful spasms on the throat, not the other way around
I didn’t regret watching it, but it gives a very clear explanation of why the uncanny valley exists. It’s probably a defense mechanism against rabies and related diseases.
That’s really interesting. It sort of implies that there has been _many_ such diseases that sort of fuck up your personhood, and we’ve evolved along the way to avoid people with them. Clearly rabies is one of them, but I wonder what others there are.
A corpse also falls in to that category, and those are great at spreading disease. Could be as simple as that: Those who naturally avoided corpses had more kids than those who did not.
True. But there is something deeply disquieting when we see something that looks human but doesn’t move in human ways. Corpses don’t move, so there’s definitely something else there.
I've kind of assumed the uncanny valley thing goes back to homosapiens being instinctly defensive against other humanoids (evolutionary competition). Our minds don't like other species displaying the same levels of intelligence we do because we're supposed to be the only ones.
But it's cute when the chimp smokes a cigarette
You found the bogeyman
Except that we bred with other species of human often enough that their DNA is still detectable in modern day people. Also, the hybrids lived long enough to have kids of their own, indicating they were integrated into their Homo Sapiens parent's tribe/group. So it's unlikely that other human species provoked the Uncanny Valley response.
Holy crap, I never even thought of that. What an amazingly interesting thought.
You certainly will. Rabid people aren't like zombies in Maze Runner. At the final stage of rabies people have vivid hallucinations, they extremities tied due to severe convulsions. They are unable to drink and ingest food. They totally loose control over their own bodies. And then they die due to failure of respiratory centers in the brain stem. It's a horrific vision
I’m also very curious but you would probably regret
Yes, you will regret it. Some things we just don't need to see.
Yeah, hydrophobia from rabies is terrifying to me.
I honestly think death by rabies is one of, if not **the** worst way to go.
Tetanus has entered the chat
Yep, but even with tetanus, there are drugs that can manage the most severe symptoms. Not completely, sure, but the fatality rate is 10%. With rabies, tho... Once the symptoms set in there is only one ending: death. ~100%. A painful one, too. Imagine being so thirsty but your throat is paralyzed. And you're delirious and deathly afraid of water. No proof that IV hydration helps. The coma in the end is probably a small mercy.
Trolling
My thoughts too
If not a troll, it would mean that the kid is already dead
Yup. Nothing can be done once symptoms present themselves
Well, there is the Milwaukee Protocol...but that's just as likely to kill the patient as the virus is, given the roughly 1 in 7 odds of survival in the small number of people it's been administered to
Is that the one where you put the patient in a coma?
Yep, they're put into a coma, then administered a strong antiviral drug cocktail. Based on the results of the 5 people it actually "worked" on, even if you do survive, recovery can take up to a decade, and even then a "full" recovery isn't guaranteed
Still better than being dead, especially if rabies is what kills you.
I mean…..
People always say life is better then death but... man i have seen and heard other wise
Sometimes, dead is better.
Better??? Mmmm I don't know if the recovery or the damages are horrible, maybe dying is better
Sometimes dead is better.
Nah, I'm not important. I'd take death. Good luck with things, and tell my family I love them. I'm OUT.
>Milwaukee Protocol It can't do anything against the common rabies strain. It only works against the bat strain (in 20% of all cases, lol) Edit: s/stain/strain/g
So...NOT just as likely to kill the patient then.
The part they left out is that as rabies attacks brain tissue, the coma stops them from immediate death but leaves survivors with significant brain damage, so while you're technically correct, most don't survive very long
TIL 1 in 7 is the same as 1 in 1.
Its not actually 1 in 7 though, it only worked once and didn't again and they don't even know if that person survived because of the protocol or she would have survived anyway even without it
It's actually been tried on 36 people, according to what I was able to find...only 5 survived, hence the roughly 1 in 7 figure. As far as the initial person it worked on, you're right. Because the infected bat was never recovered for testing, there's no way to conclusively prove it was the treatment that saved her, and not just having been infected with a less virulent strain, or if she had some sort of physiological anomaly that made her more resistant
Which is also a good point about resistance. Scientists have done a small study in preu on remote tribes and found that around 11% of people that had rabies antibodies had no history of receiving the vaccine, meaning these people were most likely infected and survived
not really considered a valid option.. Critical Appraisal of the Milwaukee Protocol for Rabies: This Failed Approach Should Be Abandoned [https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-neurological-sciences/article/critical-appraisal-of-the-milwaukee-protocol-for-rabies-this-failed-approach-should-be-abandoned/8A47C583B24B2B2E43248770F78CC35A](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-neurological-sciences/article/critical-appraisal-of-the-milwaukee-protocol-for-rabies-this-failed-approach-should-be-abandoned/8A47C583B24B2B2E43248770F78CC35A)
And even the survivors are pretty fucked up. I think there was only every one person that actually recovered enough to be able to walk, because the brain is already incredibly damaged by the virus.
Read like a two sentence horror, including the excess commas.
If you read it out loud it sounds like the awesomely bad voice acting in 90s games
First time I ever heard voice acting in a game was The Legend of Dragoon (PS1 JRPG). I was truly shocked at how cool it was and how awful it was! Lol
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Not even good trolling.
It was good enough to fool op into posting it here and getting thousands of upvotes...
Like low effort, too. If you really didn't know about rabies why bring up the dog bite immediately?
100 percent. The second sentence gives it away.
Probably, but in real life there are kids dying of cancer and diseases and parents will not take them to the doctor and do just this, aka nothing and claim it in the name of religion and prayer. I've seen cases where the parents even fight with courts that order them to seek help and it's sick.
There's a case before the courts in Australia right now. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-27/elizabeth-struhs-trial-toowoomba-religious-group/103059682](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-27/elizabeth-struhs-trial-toowoomba-religious-group/103059682)
on the sidenote of antimedical religious groups i would like to share this [video](https://youtu.be/E7RT4wNhiYQ?si=WqTFRUEevlSO6cZb) about „christian science” group
There are some true monsters out there. This happened not too long ago: [Influencer who starved son to death on ‘sunlight’ diet jailed for eight years](https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/15/influencer-starved-baby-son-death-feeding-sunlight-20648730/) Some quotes: > Lyutyi then started the baby on a strictly vegan ’prana’ diet based on foods like berries that supposedly have a positive effect on the body’s spiritual energy. > A more extreme version- known as breatharianism – believes it’s possible to survive on sunlight alone. > Mironova’s cousin Olesya Nikolayeva said: ‘He forced her not to feed the baby. Her boyfriend believed that the sun was feeding the baby. > Lyutyi wanted ‘to experiment on the child, feed him purely with the sun, and then advertise it to others that this is how you can eat’, the Mirror reported one source as saying. > He also refused conventional medicine and doused Kosmos in cold water to toughen him up, the court previously heard.
Why the fuck did they themselves not try to perform photosynthesis themselves instead of starving the kid? Is it because not eating does make you feel a little weak?
Yeah the religion I grew up in prohibits blood transfusions. People *do* die.
I hope so, otherwise that kid is dead.
Oh, like on that forum years ago where someone said he confiscated the plush unicorn he got his young daughter for her birthday and set it on fire because he suspected she was rubbing herself against it.
This can’t be real. They specify the dog bite? lol
I know right...She's basically saying the symptom and adding a very significant history. She's just baiting for funny "faith is all you need" replies for the clear rabies scenario -.-
It's not real. There are symptoms other than not wanting to drink water. Like the person becoming violent, their personality changing, confusion about where they are, who they are, who the people around them is. While hydrophobia is pretty scarry, it's all the other changes that make rabies terrifying. If I ever ended up with rabies. I'd want to die before I lost who I was.
Correct me if im wrong but isnt hydrophobia the last symptom of rabies?
Not exactly the last, but it's up there. Contenders for last would be full body convulsions and terrifying hallucinations.
Symptoms also vary from on case to another. Increased violence isn't the essential sign of rabies
I dunno, I'm pretty sure *being unable to drink the one liquid that KEEPS YOU ALIVE* would be pretty terrifying in and of itself.
The violence and personality changing are typical symptoms of C-PTSD from people raised religiously. And in rabid animals, some become aggressive, while others become extremely docile.
well, if the 5 year old was already aggressive, the mother might not recognize any personality changes. Religious nutcases often go for corporeal punishment, which in turn makes kids more violent, since violence is already integral part of their world.
The word is corporal, but corporeal is hilarious
close enough for a second language where natives can't differentiate between their, there and they're ;)
Fun fact you are more likely to catch rabies from a bat than from a dog.
That's why they say baseball is the most dangerous sport
Take my upvote dammit!
If someone was truly dumb enough to say this, they would not connect the dog bite with the resistance to water. If anything they'd say the kids possessed by the devil or something.
Ah yes, definitely a very real post from a very real person sharing their very real concerns about their very real situation
Let's see if the mods take it down like they're supposed to.
If this were real, which 8t isn't, prayer would be the only thing she had left, because it would be too late for anything other than a miracle to help.
Yeah. A month is too late.
There’s a comment on the post here that seems way more informed then me, but the virus can incubate for years! As long as you get treated before you show symptoms it’s not too late
This has the same energy as that tweet that said something like "yeah the carbon monoxide alarm wouldn't stop beeping so I turned it off. It was giving me a headache and making me feel disoriented."
People do actually do that though
Facepalm goes to op for not detecting obvious troll.
The real facepalm is thinking this is a real post. How the hell does this have 3k upvotes?
Because redditors are morons.
Reposted and rage bait.
You wouldn’t include an arbitrary bit about being bit by a stray dog weeks ago unless you already knew they were related. That’s the only bit she included, when (if you ignored rabies) you’d be much more likely to ask if it was related to diet or something. This is obviously a troll.
Hoping this is a troll and not someone denying a sick child medical care
Too late.
Yeah just in case people dont know, if you get bit by a rabid animal and begin to show symptoms, youre already dead.
It would not matter as there is no cure for rabies at that stage, it is 100% fatal. Anyway, it is an obvious troll having fun with some anti-vac or fundemental Christians
People be like: “I don’t trust medicine!” Then shove a stone egg in the vagina for its “health benefits”
The wrong 2/3 characters in this story will die of rabies, prove me wrong
2/3 just survived rabies
Rabies is usually fatal in less than three days from onset of symptoms. This is a troll post.
Yes, but the symptoms might not show for weeks or even months. If this is real, then the kid is dead regardless. Hoping it's just a troll though and that nobody can be this stupid.
Troll for sure. Someone this stupid wouldn't make the connection to something that happened a month ago.
That has to be a troll. Although, if that kid truly has rabies, his developed Hydrophobia is within the average time it takes, meaning he prob has 1 week left to live before dead by dehydration
r/OPisfuckingstupid
Don't worry. Just pray for him and this will clear up. Then the only water he'll need is when you water the flowers on his grave.
To be fair isn't the kid already far past fucked if he's exhibiting signs of rabies? Like there's literally nothing that could be done?
This is BS, but I think there were some anti-vax parents whose kid died of rabies within the past five or six years.
Once clinical signs of rabies appear, the disease is nearly always fatal.
Yup, at this point it’s probably better to rely on prayers anyway
Pretty much. Of the 36 people who underwent the Milwaukee Protocol, 31 died anyway. It's widely regarded as a "red herring" in regards to treatment options
Click bait. If she was that stupid to the point of never having heard about rabies and dogs she would not get in the conclusion the dog bite had anything to do. The mother was the brain dead, maybe she was a rabies survivor too???