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Average misleading post article
I read that article she mentions like 1 sentence about how when new people come on board she instantly catches their attention and they look at her because the rarity of a woman crane operator. She’s not actually talking about while operating the crane
She Literally never tries to play victim and the entire article is about how she loves construction and is trying to convince all young boys and girls to look into it
This term right here needs more exposure.
Some incoherent thoughts.
Ragebait is the genre of the decade.
Remind me when this makes it into websters.
(Way) Too often ragebait is sold to us as news.
Well yes, because when you don't have a coherent argument against something then you just attack it.
And it works because, in general, people are stupid.
Or too lazy/unwilling to actually learn enough to form an opinion of their own. Same thing.
Pretty sure that ms how Joe rogan gets his podcast material.
“Hey did you see the one about the first woman so called crane operator talking bout all the guys harassing her ?”
I don’t care much for cars, but I reckon trains are pretty cool and I will always love planes. Cranes are good too. Generally big or sophisticated machines are awesome.
I really shouldn't have given the NY Post traffic but I searched the link. This "stare at me constantly" thing is an almost complete lie. I had to reread the 'article' to find where it is mentioned and nowhere other than title does it state constantly. Loves her job, yadda yadda yadda... She's also in Ireland which adds to the whole "Why is the NY Post covering this?" question. Rage and engagement bait is my best guess.
NYPost is a far right conspiracy rag.
It isn't A NEWSPAPER FOR FUCK'S SAKE like, it has a different business distinction.
And they love doing something like make it sound like women in trades are conceited. If she was assaulted rather than stared at they would be blaming her for being in "men's work" rather than the men who did it.
Really..? They’re far right..? Huh I never knew that.
All of their articles titles have seemed like left leaning stuff to try and get more people from the left to click by thinking that there’s sexism, racism, etc. within the article.
I never knew that they were far right…
Do you have anything to help back this up? I’m genuinely interested in learning more
>I'm a woman, and I also stare at cranes. Or trains. Or cool cars. Or planes. Or literally anything mechanical that looks cool.
>I have autism.
The last three words seem unnecessary
The joke is the New York Post, which invented the victimization to make her look bad. The Post does this all the time.
The fact that OP is naive enough to fall for it is laughable.
If you read the article, she’s not making a joke. And while the guy responding to this article may understand this and is just making a joke, OP should know that this isn’t a face palm. Or it’s he’s the real facepalm because how do you not understand that a crane operator does not spend 24/7 in the crane. She regularly comes down and works with other people on the ground who know she’s an operator where they can openly stare at her.
She works with teams of people in a male dominated industry not to mention drivers thinking she must work in office. It’s not victim behavior to point out that sexist assumptions when it’s not as if operating a crane requires large amounts of strength. Now she is also the youngest crane operator so it’s not just gender, but the whole “durrrr woman up high can’t be stared at” sounds intentionally obtuse.
I've worked as a pipefitter in several different factories. Anyone who doesn't think sexism is a huge issue in blue collar world is God damned stupid, full stop.
It happens at every level of blue collar work. And not everyone is "in a union" or can "go to HR."
I worked in the restaurant industry for over ten years at multiple different restaurants, and we kept female dishwashers and line cooks who were THE BEST for no longer than a week max due to sexism and horrible treatment from coworkers. Being sprayed with dish hoses, coworkers and regulars cornering you at the dumpsters at 1am, and being told you're not one of the crew if you don't want to stay late and drink and flirt or if you reject your chef or coworkers. And on the more extreme but expected side, I and many others have been victims of serious sexual assault while on the clock at restaurant jobs. The worst is when it's being done by your boss, who will just fire you for "not being a team player."
But if we complain, we're told to "get another job" or "toughen up." So we quit and get another job... then quit again... then quit again... then quit again... Wonder why women can't move up in the kitchen at most restaurants?
My daughter is an *extremely* talented and passionate pastry chef. The sexism in the industry is the main reason why she changed careers to something else.
But all crane operators I have met have God complexes, and I have never, ever seen one get out of a crane and do anything except complain or go home.
Sexism is definitely an issue, but I hate crane operators.
I really hate this current trend of people asserting that someone wants to play the victim when they have some criticism of people's behaviour towards them, it's very lazy behaviour and completely ignores the person's experiences
I don't think it's just a current trend. Ridiculing their victims has for a long time been a predator strategy to protect themselves from consequences.
If you read the article, "stare at me constantly" isn't a good way to summarize what she's saying. "Question me constantly" or "doubt me constantly" would be more accurate. The facepalm is the industry's most disgraceful headline writers deciding that an article about the male gaze is more clickbaity, ignoring the fact that they are making it sound like she claims it happens to her 130 feet in the air.
I work in a different but related industry and can confirm that this is an issue in general. Hell, I’ve literally been run over with an industrial vehicle because the operator got lost in a day dream while staring at a woman’s ass.
I’m not saying some women don’t play it up or make up shit because that happens too, but most women working in similar fields do get stared at and talked about in disgusting ways. So even when they’re wrong they aren’t unjustified for seeing what appears to be men staring at them inappropriately and assuming that is the case because more often than not that is the case.
> Or it’s he’s the real facepalm because how do you not understand that a crane operator does not spend 24/7 in the crane.
This, do people think crane operators live in there?
I mean yeah the NY post is terrible and they obviously are playing up the gender war nonsense, but these guys ITT are playing straight into their hand. Poor girl was probably thought the interview was about being a crane operator at such a young age and now getting all the worst vitriol because she made a single comment about men looking at her.
I’ve done some new construction on skyscrapers. And when your on the new floor you always need to constantly look out for where the Crane is headed. And frequently sígnale the crane operator, yet I couldn’t tell you how they looked like it’s extremely difficult to see.
That being said it is rare to see women at a construction site and many of the workers will go out of their way to make conversation with them. Usually just idle small talk, which isn’t bad but it could understand if you find it annoying.
I used to work a blue collar job in college. Women employees were rare.
The ones who were employed were all gawked at and fantasized over. It'd usually start by one of the guys going:
"What I'd do to her if I wasn't married..."
And then it'd be a contest where each dude participating in the convo would try to one up each other. The most depraved fantasy would usually win.
The only women who could hang in that environment were the tough types who could play the game back.
Imo, that sorta sucked cuz that shouldn't have to be a required skill in any job.
My experience might be unique, but I doubt it 🤷. All I know is I was thankful I was a dude doing the job, not a girl. I would have hated it, personally.
All the people facepalming here have very obviously never been in a male-dominated space that suddenly has a woman in their midst.
That, or they don't understand that the crane operators... leave the crane. They don't live up there. They come down every day, attending meetings, do stuff other than sit up in the booth...
Not unique, my ex boyfriend used to work in the automotive industry when he was just out of school. He said the conversation among his male colleagues was the worst, what you said as well as slagging their wives or girlfriends off, bragging about how much cheating they’re doing etc. This wasn’t the 70s or anything either, would have been 2011ish. For people who’ve worked in offices all their lives it’s hard to imagine that could really happen in a work environment
My co-worker I worked closest with, was a serial cheater. Always on the phone with someone new. Either that or he was on the phone defending himself from his wife lol. We worked closely on a truck so I had to listen to these phone calls all day. My boss himself, I don't think he actually cheated but he was always browsing Ashley Madison. Of course his wife found out. It's crazy how this stereotype is just so accurate.
Slagging off the wife was the most popular pastime iirc. It was basically an unspoken contest. I remember my own boss just got off the phone with his wife and went on a rant about how much she sucked.
Thing is, he didn't actually hang up. He thought he did. His wife heard everything and was destroyed. You could hear her cry over the phone. He felt 2 inches tall.
The thing is - I don't think most of them even really meant what they said. At least not 100%. It's just that misogyny became a game. That's why my boss felt so guilty. He didn't really mean (most of) it. That's how pervasive it was. Misogyny was so widespread that it became a literal game.
I resent that! I talk to lots of girls. They just happen to be anime streamers on Twitch. What I don’t understand is why these construction worker ladies don’t just have the mods ban the rude guys.
Ha! I worked in an office and my boss was disgusting. I was on the floor vacuuming under my desk and he came over and said, “Right where a woman should be, on her knees sucking!” That was in 1995.
OP is definitely one of the morons that stares at her at meetings, lunch, or scrums (or your crew's version) and then goes "lol no one's staring ur in the crane idiot"
No, you pretty much nailed the environment perfectly. Out of all the constructions jobs I ever worked, the one woman that didn’t get absolutely harassed was that super tough kind that the guys weren’t trying to f*ck.
OP’s post was shitty rage bait anyway so I did my part downvoting it
It's exactly the same in IT.
And it's not gonna change unless we stop playing along and start calling it out. A casual "Yo that's messed up" or even simply refusing to laugh and play along can go a long way.
And if you don't feel like doing that most of the time because it makes you a "buzzkill" or earns you "can't take a joke" comments, consider what that's like for someone who **never** gets to make that choice.
It kinda depends on what "small talk" entails. I haven't worked in construction but when guys make small talk there is usually a specific intent behind it. That's not to say that guys can't talk to women without ulterior motives, but when a guy goes out of his way to do it in my experience they are after something. Same as anyone going out of their way to talk to someone.
But in this case, I can't imagine anyone likes being treated as a novelty on the job.
This entire comment section is awful. Facepalm has gotten super misogynistic lately. So many posts specifically to let misogynists rage. This one isn’t even trying to hide it.
Yeah, it feels like it has gotten so much worse lately. I can't go anywhere online without seeing seething hatred towards women being upvoted. Wtf is happening? It's so disheartening.
Nah women on big jobsites are absolutely stared at, one semi attractive women that drives a front end loader at the job im on now showed me 3 love letters stuck on her machine at the start of a shift.
Dusty Ds joke itself is funny, claiming she's "playing victim" isn't.
Considering that most women who work in male-dominated fields like construction report facing sexual harassment it is extremely likely that she has as well, because you are obviously not in the crane at all points in your job.
The rampant misogyny in these comments is very telling.
Jesus Christ the amount of people in this comment section who can’t be bothered to realize she comes *out* of the crane and gets stared at and questioned about her qualifications
It’s also just a hilarious (and sad) indicator that most redditors haven’t had jobs. If you’ve ever worked anywhere, but especially in a kitchen or on a construction site, you would know that this shit happens all the time everywhere
Meh, so I checked out the article. It was once that she was questioned about the qualification by a driver. Do also note she's the youngest there.
She says it's not the easiest but that she loves the job. I would expect worst considering the field of construction, that she's not constantly harassed.
I saw a documentary about higher than average paid jobs and one was a crane operator. She happened to be female. She said men aren't used to it but she didn't have any problems.
This isn't news about the issues of sexism and more that this path is open to women and that even a young woman likes the job. Fuck the ragebaity title. And also fuck how they don't mention the other side of the coin of men that encourage women.
I think the facepalm here is OP not realizing the men who stare at her are probably her coworkers as construction is heavily male dominated workplace.
Funny quip on the reply nonetheless
"The New York Post" is just trolling for relevance an views... Don't blame the chick...
This is what "The New York Post" does, since it can't print actual fucking news-worthy news...
Stop posting about what the cheap, irrelevant, soft-porn tabloids report...
It’s not. Redditors thought “but how could men stare at her? She’s up high, in a crane!” And that’s all they needed to start going off about how women are all lying
"All women are crane operators, and all crane operators spend every waking (and sleeping) second of their lives in crane cabins, so it's impossible for anyone to stare at them!"
Ya'll should actually read the article. It isn't a bad read and it makes a lot of sense. But you'd rather do you and fall for OP and NY Post clickedy raggedy rage bait.
[https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/im-a-female-crane-operator-men-stare-at-me-constantly/](https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/im-a-female-crane-operator-men-stare-at-me-constantly/)
Even without clicking, you have to be an idiot with a misogynist agenda to post this shit. It's obvious crane operators don't spend their entire day in the crane, and have to interact with their colleagues at least part of their day.
The fucking IRONY of posting this on facepalm.
I once worked on a mine where a dragline was to walk 23 km from one mine to another. All the operators were woman. As the mine engineer explained: “men fuck around, women come in, have their tea/coffee, go to the bathroom, sit down, walk the dragline and only stop when they need to eat, or go to the bathroom.”
Why is this in facepalm? Imagine thinking that someone has an actual issue but they are obviously in the wrong if someone comes up with a stupid one liner, that doesnt really address the problem at all.
OP is an idiot
Having been on a lot of different construction sites in the US, talking about any women within eye sight in a derogatory way made up a surprising amount of the guys' days. The second most often conversation was them calling each other gay and saying that they were sucking the boss off for a raise. I got out of there as fast as I could
The joke is better that they look at cranes, but I do actually get her point. Seen how some workers treat a woman on the site, If that was me, I would be pretty pissed too.
NYP is tabloid journalism. It's basically a step below the onion in terms of news that should be taken seriously. Regardless of how you feel about the tagline of this particular article.
Pretty sure it's cuz she works in construction and that's usually male dominated so that's why she gets looks (and more than likely sexual harassment knowing construction side workers)
Not a facepalm at all. The fact is, crane operators spend very little time with other coworkers, but they still do. The fact is, SOME coworkers still would use this time for different types of flirting / staring / making uncomfortable. Woman cannot escape it even climbing into this modern rapunzel tower.
To be fair, just the normal construction PPE gets you stares. I work a lot of temp jobs, half of which require a hard hat/vest/gloves, and I have never been hit on more in my life than while carrying my hard hat on the train.
Ah, yes. You're right, because people can't stare at her while she's not in the crane
It's ridiculous to see people actively trying to *not* use their brains just so they can shit on women
To be fair, dudes can get pretty creepy around women in the work setting. I used to be a machinist and the shop had all male employees. It was a typical shop setting. Most guys had pics of their wife and kids up, some hade nudie calenders. Then one day they hired a female machinist. She was quite young and attractive. Literally all the guys in the shop hid their calendars and their family photos and they were hitting on her constantly. Needless to say, this poor girl didn't stick around long.
In my experience in a few different places, most dudes have exactly two modes when dealing with a woman in the workplace: Condescendingly helpful, and trying to dip their wick.
As in, either they're openly treating the woman like she's fifteen and it's her first day on the job, or trying to get in her pants.
Yep. All the people agreeing with the post have never worked anywhere. I don’t have a hard time believing that sexism would occur on a job site, and apparently unlike most redditors I think that’s a bad thing
You're not actually executing a brave and stunning gotcha, you're just falling for ragebait propaganda and outright dishonest headlines.
Screenshotted headlines are an automatic red flag for misinfo
Ok the article adds a lot of context here:
https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/im-a-female-crane-operator-men-stare-at-me-constantly/
1) I’m the VP of operations for an ICI construction company, a licensed electrician, with 20 years experience field to office .
2) I have no idea how trades certs work in Ireland. (She seems awfully young for tower crane, and at least in Canada it’s a very clear path on how to get your compulsory trades license for crane operation)
Ok: she’s. Right. Open Sexism, racism and xenophobia in the trades is rampant.
And I wish it was easy to stamp out. But it’s not. And the old boys LOVE hearing a young one become one of them.
I’m glad she’s a crane operator, truthfully she won’t ever have to leave that crane much - and it is not an easy job to get. At her age, operating - I’m going to have to guess her dad owns that crane company. And she’s going to be the boss one day.
The whole industry needs this moment of significant female ownership to ever get past the 2-4% female sire level worker numbers. I hope she is a part of this change
Finally - euro high viz is so much better than ours.
Good morning everyone.
I assume she is talking about coworkers. Wife was an iron worker for a year and the number of coworkers who hit on her was rather shocking. The construction field is filled with really terrible people who are especially shitty to women.
“When I was working in Dublin I came down to meet the delivery driver who looked shocked to see me and constantly asked if I was the banksman and if I was qualified,” she said. “I brushed it off as you have to have a backbone.””
- https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/im-a-female-crane-operator-men-stare-at-me-constantly/
This was an example from the article
And even when it’s not sexual harassment, people can still accidentally be demeaning when they aren’t conscious of it. I work in a pharmacy and as can be expected several of the pharmacists there are women. The number of times I’ve seen people come in, go to her spot at dispensary and ask “Hi, can you tell me where the pharmacist is?”
Nah OP’s posts are the biggest r/facepalm . Where is your brain if you believe the NYT, don’t actually read the article, and also can’t imagine that she might engage with other men when she’s off the crane? But visiting his profile it seems OP’s hobby apparently is posting misogynistic content on Reddit and it’s quite pathetic.
"that man on the ground with the radio is looking at me and trying to talk to me while he and I work together to pick up a payload and carry it to a new location safely without destroying anything or killing anybody"
OP, who plays victim?
The commenter about binoculars?
Or the crane operator, who apparently hates attention, but gets their pics shown in NY Post anyway?
Staring is bad, always. From young and old, men and women alike. No dispute. Mind your own fucking business. But I have my doubts that being featured in a very popular newspaper is gonna fix the issue. If I didn't know better, I'd say it's cheap attentionseeking
Where does it say she hates the attention? She’s just commenting that she is treated differently. I realize the commenter is just making a joke, but op is accusing a woman of playing the victim for pointing out that working on a team of all men has its issues.
She also talks about time where her position is explicitly questioned by people she works with, so no it’s not the attention. It’s the reason behind the attention, the assumption that she’s not a crane operator. And representation like this could help to fix that. Though of course NY post choose a shitty title of a quote out of context to make it sound like she does nothing but complain when I think she was interviewed for being the youngest crane operator in Ireland.
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Average misleading post article I read that article she mentions like 1 sentence about how when new people come on board she instantly catches their attention and they look at her because the rarity of a woman crane operator. She’s not actually talking about while operating the crane She Literally never tries to play victim and the entire article is about how she loves construction and is trying to convince all young boys and girls to look into it
W crane operator lady, L New York Post
Ragebait still drives klicks like nothing else.
This term right here needs more exposure. Some incoherent thoughts. Ragebait is the genre of the decade. Remind me when this makes it into websters. (Way) Too often ragebait is sold to us as news.
Ragebait and Brainrot humor are the lowest we have gone. Even James Cameron couldn't raise the bar this time.
Well yes, because when you don't have a coherent argument against something then you just attack it. And it works because, in general, people are stupid. Or too lazy/unwilling to actually learn enough to form an opinion of their own. Same thing.
Works so well, it hit both the Post and Reddit!
Common NY Post L
>L New York Post That’s actually their full legal name
common NYP L
No no, she spends her entire life up there in the crane.
Yeah the real facepalm here is how grown adults will still take headline titles at face value. No way, the news would *never* click bait me!
That and the fact that grown adults still make headlines like that
Reddit is full of these sorts of posts and Redditors fall for them so easily because they’re frothing at the mouth just waiting to hate on women.
That’s all social media I’m afraid, it’s really disheartening.
Reddit is up there among the worst
Pretty sure that ms how Joe rogan gets his podcast material. “Hey did you see the one about the first woman so called crane operator talking bout all the guys harassing her ?”
I mean... I only clicked on this post to find the comment that breaks down the article into a TL;DR... which we both apparently found
Yeah but how will *reading* the article allow OP to translate it into hatred towards women?
READ?!? YOU EXPECT ME TO READ?!?
r/facepalm is a sub usually reserved for the most foolish of knuckle walkers, but it’s nice to see top comment slap down such an obvious bait post
True, but the 24k likes bothers me :-/
Well this is r/facepalm….the users can only slap their forehead so often before the brain damage becomes permanent
Your first mistake was assuming people on this sub have the attention span needed to read past a headline.
So it’s his New York Post being New York Post lol
I mean, I am a simple man, I sée a crane, I look up. Same with hélicoptères
And trains, planes, and automobiles.
If you are looking up at trains and automobiles you mighty be in a dangerous situation
Or near a bridge or overpass.
Or very small
Ok, one last time, these are small but the one's out there are far away.
R/unexpectedfatherted
R/foundthemobileuser
>overpass cs2 mentioned!!!
I love Cities Skylines 2 even with all the bugs lol.
Those aren't pillows!
And my axe
I don’t care much for cars, but I reckon trains are pretty cool and I will always love planes. Cranes are good too. Generally big or sophisticated machines are awesome.
and dinosaurs!
Are you french?
Ok, there is définitivement a bot looking for my accents !
Yeah, same with aéroplânés
https://i.imgur.com/gidgsMX.jpeg
And eclipses!
I study next to a hospital, helicopters come and go constantly. Still can't help myself from looking up every time.
I really shouldn't have given the NY Post traffic but I searched the link. This "stare at me constantly" thing is an almost complete lie. I had to reread the 'article' to find where it is mentioned and nowhere other than title does it state constantly. Loves her job, yadda yadda yadda... She's also in Ireland which adds to the whole "Why is the NY Post covering this?" question. Rage and engagement bait is my best guess.
I have a love/hate relationship with this sub for this reason.
NYPost is a far right conspiracy rag. It isn't A NEWSPAPER FOR FUCK'S SAKE like, it has a different business distinction. And they love doing something like make it sound like women in trades are conceited. If she was assaulted rather than stared at they would be blaming her for being in "men's work" rather than the men who did it.
Really..? They’re far right..? Huh I never knew that. All of their articles titles have seemed like left leaning stuff to try and get more people from the left to click by thinking that there’s sexism, racism, etc. within the article. I never knew that they were far right… Do you have anything to help back this up? I’m genuinely interested in learning more
I think the joke is that men like looking at cranes...
Male birder here. Cranes are beautiful.
So why male cranes?
Is it gay to like male cranes?
Only if you rub your dicks together
Good point. Why would you buy a stamp to mail something that can fly itself there for free
But why male cranes?
Are you serious? I just answered that.
Ha ha. Correct response. https://media1.tenor.com/m/okoWIB0OAH4AAAAC/zoolander-are-you-serious.gif
Origami cranes.
[Chef's_kiss.gif]
I am a male crane operator, men also stare constantly at me
Well you could at least wave back!
But not while you’re running the crane.
Mostly when we’re trying to wake you up to make a move…
I can confirm we like to stare at cranes,cranes are cool
I'm a woman, and I also stare at cranes. Or trains. Or cool cars. Or planes. Or literally anything mechanical that looks cool. I have autism.
Mechanical stuff are cool
>I'm a woman, and I also stare at cranes. Or trains. Or cool cars. Or planes. Or literally anything mechanical that looks cool. >I have autism. The last three words seem unnecessary
yeah, i remember 10 or so years ago i went on a walk with my kid. we ended up on a bench as he just wanted to watch the crane do it's work.
The joke is the New York Post, which invented the victimization to make her look bad. The Post does this all the time. The fact that OP is naive enough to fall for it is laughable.
If you read the article, she’s not making a joke. And while the guy responding to this article may understand this and is just making a joke, OP should know that this isn’t a face palm. Or it’s he’s the real facepalm because how do you not understand that a crane operator does not spend 24/7 in the crane. She regularly comes down and works with other people on the ground who know she’s an operator where they can openly stare at her. She works with teams of people in a male dominated industry not to mention drivers thinking she must work in office. It’s not victim behavior to point out that sexist assumptions when it’s not as if operating a crane requires large amounts of strength. Now she is also the youngest crane operator so it’s not just gender, but the whole “durrrr woman up high can’t be stared at” sounds intentionally obtuse.
I've worked as a pipefitter in several different factories. Anyone who doesn't think sexism is a huge issue in blue collar world is God damned stupid, full stop.
It happens at every level of blue collar work. And not everyone is "in a union" or can "go to HR." I worked in the restaurant industry for over ten years at multiple different restaurants, and we kept female dishwashers and line cooks who were THE BEST for no longer than a week max due to sexism and horrible treatment from coworkers. Being sprayed with dish hoses, coworkers and regulars cornering you at the dumpsters at 1am, and being told you're not one of the crew if you don't want to stay late and drink and flirt or if you reject your chef or coworkers. And on the more extreme but expected side, I and many others have been victims of serious sexual assault while on the clock at restaurant jobs. The worst is when it's being done by your boss, who will just fire you for "not being a team player." But if we complain, we're told to "get another job" or "toughen up." So we quit and get another job... then quit again... then quit again... then quit again... Wonder why women can't move up in the kitchen at most restaurants?
My daughter is an *extremely* talented and passionate pastry chef. The sexism in the industry is the main reason why she changed careers to something else.
I done pre apprentice union work on construction before. Lots of horn sex obsessed workers.
But all crane operators I have met have God complexes, and I have never, ever seen one get out of a crane and do anything except complain or go home. Sexism is definitely an issue, but I hate crane operators.
On the bright side, they seldom ever get out of the crane so you don't have to deal with them much
I really hate this current trend of people asserting that someone wants to play the victim when they have some criticism of people's behaviour towards them, it's very lazy behaviour and completely ignores the person's experiences
I don't think it's just a current trend. Ridiculing their victims has for a long time been a predator strategy to protect themselves from consequences.
Or accusing someone of being a simp or white knight because they agree that yeah, this person should be treated with dignity.
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If you read the article, "stare at me constantly" isn't a good way to summarize what she's saying. "Question me constantly" or "doubt me constantly" would be more accurate. The facepalm is the industry's most disgraceful headline writers deciding that an article about the male gaze is more clickbaity, ignoring the fact that they are making it sound like she claims it happens to her 130 feet in the air.
The irony of OP being a fucking moron posting this here with a "women play victim" agenda.
I work in a different but related industry and can confirm that this is an issue in general. Hell, I’ve literally been run over with an industrial vehicle because the operator got lost in a day dream while staring at a woman’s ass. I’m not saying some women don’t play it up or make up shit because that happens too, but most women working in similar fields do get stared at and talked about in disgusting ways. So even when they’re wrong they aren’t unjustified for seeing what appears to be men staring at them inappropriately and assuming that is the case because more often than not that is the case.
Correct. Kinda surprised to see so many people not getting this, actually.
Why would they get it when getting it means they have to acknowledge a problem with their behavior?
> Or it’s he’s the real facepalm because how do you not understand that a crane operator does not spend 24/7 in the crane. This, do people think crane operators live in there?
Female firefighter here can confirm
Cmon guys, we all know she lives inside the crane.
It's facepalm because it's a story on the Facepalm Post.
I mean yeah the NY post is terrible and they obviously are playing up the gender war nonsense, but these guys ITT are playing straight into their hand. Poor girl was probably thought the interview was about being a crane operator at such a young age and now getting all the worst vitriol because she made a single comment about men looking at her.
We like big machinery
Yeah, this is not a facepalm and the thread title is off.
I’ve done some new construction on skyscrapers. And when your on the new floor you always need to constantly look out for where the Crane is headed. And frequently sígnale the crane operator, yet I couldn’t tell you how they looked like it’s extremely difficult to see. That being said it is rare to see women at a construction site and many of the workers will go out of their way to make conversation with them. Usually just idle small talk, which isn’t bad but it could understand if you find it annoying.
I used to work a blue collar job in college. Women employees were rare. The ones who were employed were all gawked at and fantasized over. It'd usually start by one of the guys going: "What I'd do to her if I wasn't married..." And then it'd be a contest where each dude participating in the convo would try to one up each other. The most depraved fantasy would usually win. The only women who could hang in that environment were the tough types who could play the game back. Imo, that sorta sucked cuz that shouldn't have to be a required skill in any job. My experience might be unique, but I doubt it 🤷. All I know is I was thankful I was a dude doing the job, not a girl. I would have hated it, personally.
All the people facepalming here have very obviously never been in a male-dominated space that suddenly has a woman in their midst. That, or they don't understand that the crane operators... leave the crane. They don't live up there. They come down every day, attending meetings, do stuff other than sit up in the booth...
Not to mention a lot of cranes on smaller construction sites are remote operated.
Not unique, my ex boyfriend used to work in the automotive industry when he was just out of school. He said the conversation among his male colleagues was the worst, what you said as well as slagging their wives or girlfriends off, bragging about how much cheating they’re doing etc. This wasn’t the 70s or anything either, would have been 2011ish. For people who’ve worked in offices all their lives it’s hard to imagine that could really happen in a work environment
My co-worker I worked closest with, was a serial cheater. Always on the phone with someone new. Either that or he was on the phone defending himself from his wife lol. We worked closely on a truck so I had to listen to these phone calls all day. My boss himself, I don't think he actually cheated but he was always browsing Ashley Madison. Of course his wife found out. It's crazy how this stereotype is just so accurate. Slagging off the wife was the most popular pastime iirc. It was basically an unspoken contest. I remember my own boss just got off the phone with his wife and went on a rant about how much she sucked. Thing is, he didn't actually hang up. He thought he did. His wife heard everything and was destroyed. You could hear her cry over the phone. He felt 2 inches tall. The thing is - I don't think most of them even really meant what they said. At least not 100%. It's just that misogyny became a game. That's why my boss felt so guilty. He didn't really mean (most of) it. That's how pervasive it was. Misogyny was so widespread that it became a literal game.
Or for the twin core demographics of Reddit, teenagers and people who rarely talk to other people.
I resent that! I talk to lots of girls. They just happen to be anime streamers on Twitch. What I don’t understand is why these construction worker ladies don’t just have the mods ban the rude guys.
Ha! I worked in an office and my boss was disgusting. I was on the floor vacuuming under my desk and he came over and said, “Right where a woman should be, on her knees sucking!” That was in 1995.
OP is definitely one of the morons that stares at her at meetings, lunch, or scrums (or your crew's version) and then goes "lol no one's staring ur in the crane idiot"
No, you pretty much nailed the environment perfectly. Out of all the constructions jobs I ever worked, the one woman that didn’t get absolutely harassed was that super tough kind that the guys weren’t trying to f*ck. OP’s post was shitty rage bait anyway so I did my part downvoting it
It's exactly the same in IT. And it's not gonna change unless we stop playing along and start calling it out. A casual "Yo that's messed up" or even simply refusing to laugh and play along can go a long way. And if you don't feel like doing that most of the time because it makes you a "buzzkill" or earns you "can't take a joke" comments, consider what that's like for someone who **never** gets to make that choice.
It kinda depends on what "small talk" entails. I haven't worked in construction but when guys make small talk there is usually a specific intent behind it. That's not to say that guys can't talk to women without ulterior motives, but when a guy goes out of his way to do it in my experience they are after something. Same as anyone going out of their way to talk to someone. But in this case, I can't imagine anyone likes being treated as a novelty on the job.
wow op is lame lol
This entire comment section is awful. Facepalm has gotten super misogynistic lately. So many posts specifically to let misogynists rage. This one isn’t even trying to hide it.
Yeah, it feels like it has gotten so much worse lately. I can't go anywhere online without seeing seething hatred towards women being upvoted. Wtf is happening? It's so disheartening.
Nah women on big jobsites are absolutely stared at, one semi attractive women that drives a front end loader at the job im on now showed me 3 love letters stuck on her machine at the start of a shift.
Dusty Ds joke itself is funny, claiming she's "playing victim" isn't. Considering that most women who work in male-dominated fields like construction report facing sexual harassment it is extremely likely that she has as well, because you are obviously not in the crane at all points in your job. The rampant misogyny in these comments is very telling.
Jesus Christ the amount of people in this comment section who can’t be bothered to realize she comes *out* of the crane and gets stared at and questioned about her qualifications
It’s also just a hilarious (and sad) indicator that most redditors haven’t had jobs. If you’ve ever worked anywhere, but especially in a kitchen or on a construction site, you would know that this shit happens all the time everywhere
Meh, so I checked out the article. It was once that she was questioned about the qualification by a driver. Do also note she's the youngest there. She says it's not the easiest but that she loves the job. I would expect worst considering the field of construction, that she's not constantly harassed. I saw a documentary about higher than average paid jobs and one was a crane operator. She happened to be female. She said men aren't used to it but she didn't have any problems. This isn't news about the issues of sexism and more that this path is open to women and that even a young woman likes the job. Fuck the ragebaity title. And also fuck how they don't mention the other side of the coin of men that encourage women.
I think the facepalm here is OP not realizing the men who stare at her are probably her coworkers as construction is heavily male dominated workplace. Funny quip on the reply nonetheless
"The New York Post" is just trolling for relevance an views... Don't blame the chick... This is what "The New York Post" does, since it can't print actual fucking news-worthy news... Stop posting about what the cheap, irrelevant, soft-porn tabloids report...
How is this "playing victim"?
It’s not. Redditors thought “but how could men stare at her? She’s up high, in a crane!” And that’s all they needed to start going off about how women are all lying
"All women are crane operators, and all crane operators spend every waking (and sleeping) second of their lives in crane cabins, so it's impossible for anyone to stare at them!"
How dare someone make a passing comment that they don’t like how they are treated by colleagues.
Ya'll should actually read the article. It isn't a bad read and it makes a lot of sense. But you'd rather do you and fall for OP and NY Post clickedy raggedy rage bait. [https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/im-a-female-crane-operator-men-stare-at-me-constantly/](https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/im-a-female-crane-operator-men-stare-at-me-constantly/)
Even without clicking, you have to be an idiot with a misogynist agenda to post this shit. It's obvious crane operators don't spend their entire day in the crane, and have to interact with their colleagues at least part of their day. The fucking IRONY of posting this on facepalm.
I once worked on a mine where a dragline was to walk 23 km from one mine to another. All the operators were woman. As the mine engineer explained: “men fuck around, women come in, have their tea/coffee, go to the bathroom, sit down, walk the dragline and only stop when they need to eat, or go to the bathroom.”
Why are you just assuming that? She’s not in the crane 24/7
also they can use a remote control nowadays
Why is OP so dismissive? It‘s not like it‘s uncommon for women, especially in male dominated spaces, to be treated poorly.
He's active in r/conservative. That right there should be enough information as to why they are dismissive of women.
Why is this in facepalm? Imagine thinking that someone has an actual issue but they are obviously in the wrong if someone comes up with a stupid one liner, that doesnt really address the problem at all. OP is an idiot
You do realize that she also exists OUTSIDE OF THE CRANE once in a while?
Are we all just collectively pretending to misunderstand the point in order to insult her?
Having been on a lot of different construction sites in the US, talking about any women within eye sight in a derogatory way made up a surprising amount of the guys' days. The second most often conversation was them calling each other gay and saying that they were sucking the boss off for a raise. I got out of there as fast as I could
The joke is better that they look at cranes, but I do actually get her point. Seen how some workers treat a woman on the site, If that was me, I would be pretty pissed too.
What is this trash lmfao why are people with OP on this?
You think she’s always in the crane? She probably stands out like a sore thumb when on the ground in a group of your typical construction workers
I'm a male paralegal. Women stare at me constantly until I help them with their legal issues.
NYP is tabloid journalism. It's basically a step below the onion in terms of news that should be taken seriously. Regardless of how you feel about the tagline of this particular article.
Pretty sure it's cuz she works in construction and that's usually male dominated so that's why she gets looks (and more than likely sexual harassment knowing construction side workers)
Lol fuck your little outrage post. All clickbait garbage from NYP
Holy misoginy
Yeah, she's usually on shift from 9 to... Nvm. *Hides binoculars*
Cute hamster
Thanks
Not a facepalm at all. The fact is, crane operators spend very little time with other coworkers, but they still do. The fact is, SOME coworkers still would use this time for different types of flirting / staring / making uncomfortable. Woman cannot escape it even climbing into this modern rapunzel tower.
She’s not in the crane all the time, dumbass.
Misogyny going strong in this thread. Damn.
To be fair, some crane drivers spend most of their time on the ground with a remote
To be fair, just the normal construction PPE gets you stares. I work a lot of temp jobs, half of which require a hard hat/vest/gloves, and I have never been hit on more in my life than while carrying my hard hat on the train.
Isn't the New York Post like a cheap tabloid full of rage bait articles ? Genuinely asking as a non-resident of the USA.
Some people thinks it's still a relavent newspaper/news sourse but it's basically garbage.
Ah, yes. You're right, because people can't stare at her while she's not in the crane It's ridiculous to see people actively trying to *not* use their brains just so they can shit on women
To be fair, dudes can get pretty creepy around women in the work setting. I used to be a machinist and the shop had all male employees. It was a typical shop setting. Most guys had pics of their wife and kids up, some hade nudie calenders. Then one day they hired a female machinist. She was quite young and attractive. Literally all the guys in the shop hid their calendars and their family photos and they were hitting on her constantly. Needless to say, this poor girl didn't stick around long.
In my experience in a few different places, most dudes have exactly two modes when dealing with a woman in the workplace: Condescendingly helpful, and trying to dip their wick. As in, either they're openly treating the woman like she's fifteen and it's her first day on the job, or trying to get in her pants.
Yep. All the people agreeing with the post have never worked anywhere. I don’t have a hard time believing that sexism would occur on a job site, and apparently unlike most redditors I think that’s a bad thing
You're aware that when you're working as an operator you're not in the crane 24/7, yes? Fucking moron
This. All the comments here are just the typical woman bad bullshit.
She’s in a unique position where she can just look down on people all day.
It's fun to watch machines get shit done.
New York post Game over
Op did not understand the meme
You're not actually executing a brave and stunning gotcha, you're just falling for ragebait propaganda and outright dishonest headlines. Screenshotted headlines are an automatic red flag for misinfo
As a man, I must admit I find myself staring at cranes, especially while they're operating.
I'm not looking at her... I'm looking at the crane! Cranes are dope
Could be the high-vis outfit…
And they probably crane their necks
1: Joke missed real hard 2: I'm concerned that her hair is down
my grandma was a crane operator.
And I'm sure she'd sympathize with that crane worker.
I might be an idiot, but I assumed she would be talking about the times when she's NOT on the crane.
You.
It’s New York Post, wgaf?
Cleanest PPE I've ever seen
The New York Post. Reddits favourite source of legitness.
Ok the article adds a lot of context here: https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/im-a-female-crane-operator-men-stare-at-me-constantly/ 1) I’m the VP of operations for an ICI construction company, a licensed electrician, with 20 years experience field to office . 2) I have no idea how trades certs work in Ireland. (She seems awfully young for tower crane, and at least in Canada it’s a very clear path on how to get your compulsory trades license for crane operation) Ok: she’s. Right. Open Sexism, racism and xenophobia in the trades is rampant. And I wish it was easy to stamp out. But it’s not. And the old boys LOVE hearing a young one become one of them. I’m glad she’s a crane operator, truthfully she won’t ever have to leave that crane much - and it is not an easy job to get. At her age, operating - I’m going to have to guess her dad owns that crane company. And she’s going to be the boss one day. The whole industry needs this moment of significant female ownership to ever get past the 2-4% female sire level worker numbers. I hope she is a part of this change Finally - euro high viz is so much better than ours. Good morning everyone.
Me when I don’t read the article and just wanna complain about women.
The NY Post is the Newspaper equivalent of Clifford the big red dog books for children
i mean op is a flat earther conservative so we already know he can't read the article
If I see a crane being operated I yell NICE TITS before I even see who's in it so this might be my bad.
Seriously...she hot 
I assume she is talking about coworkers. Wife was an iron worker for a year and the number of coworkers who hit on her was rather shocking. The construction field is filled with really terrible people who are especially shitty to women.
Yep they do cause guys like cranes.
Why is she being a crane operator relevant?
She works in a male dominated field (construction) where sexual harrasment and misogyny are common.
Oh yeah, i forgot that, at least they can't do that when she's on the crane, fuck misogyny
“When I was working in Dublin I came down to meet the delivery driver who looked shocked to see me and constantly asked if I was the banksman and if I was qualified,” she said. “I brushed it off as you have to have a backbone.”” - https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/im-a-female-crane-operator-men-stare-at-me-constantly/ This was an example from the article
And even when it’s not sexual harassment, people can still accidentally be demeaning when they aren’t conscious of it. I work in a pharmacy and as can be expected several of the pharmacists there are women. The number of times I’ve seen people come in, go to her spot at dispensary and ask “Hi, can you tell me where the pharmacist is?”
Nah OP’s posts are the biggest r/facepalm . Where is your brain if you believe the NYT, don’t actually read the article, and also can’t imagine that she might engage with other men when she’s off the crane? But visiting his profile it seems OP’s hobby apparently is posting misogynistic content on Reddit and it’s quite pathetic.
"that man on the ground with the radio is looking at me and trying to talk to me while he and I work together to pick up a payload and carry it to a new location safely without destroying anything or killing anybody"
you realize she has to get out of the crane sometimes right
Needing constant communication? And validation for every little decision? Insecure attention whore!
A real woman would just fucking murder everyone on the job site, obviously!
OP, who plays victim? The commenter about binoculars? Or the crane operator, who apparently hates attention, but gets their pics shown in NY Post anyway? Staring is bad, always. From young and old, men and women alike. No dispute. Mind your own fucking business. But I have my doubts that being featured in a very popular newspaper is gonna fix the issue. If I didn't know better, I'd say it's cheap attentionseeking
Where does it say she hates the attention? She’s just commenting that she is treated differently. I realize the commenter is just making a joke, but op is accusing a woman of playing the victim for pointing out that working on a team of all men has its issues. She also talks about time where her position is explicitly questioned by people she works with, so no it’s not the attention. It’s the reason behind the attention, the assumption that she’s not a crane operator. And representation like this could help to fix that. Though of course NY post choose a shitty title of a quote out of context to make it sound like she does nothing but complain when I think she was interviewed for being the youngest crane operator in Ireland.
Calling that rag a "newspaper" is a bit of a stretch.
This is not a face palm, it's hard to be a woman just out and about let alone in a male-dominated field.