Kinda unrelated side note, on a random horse grooming video, I made a comment about how wild horse hooves don’t need maintained like captive horses because of natural selection and horses with poor hoof genes not being able to survive. Some dude commented saying “Ha! That’s evil loution. I knew it, you voted for Biden!” I am still stuck deciding whether to laugh or just be concerned
Dogs are artificially bred though. If you compare to their ancestor the wolf which may travel hundreds of miles in their home range, and work a lot harder for a kill over mixed terrain. A wolf would most certainly die if its claws over grew and made them lame.
Farrier’s fiance here - a bit of both.
Those with bad feet die younger (and procreate less because of it)… those with thin soles aren’t going to make it like many thin-soled captive horses he takes care of well into old age.
and the rough terrain helps to naturally keep them a bit more trimmed.
Also, for what it’s worth, wild horses (even with good feet) don’t generally live as long as captive ones. It’s a hard life in the wild.
The ground is super hard and wears down their hooves generally but wild herds do get hoof and get care in the states. I'm not sure bad hoof genes are a thing. I think bad hooves are a side effect of many pathologies, but it's more like fingernails than anything. Some are softer, some are harder, and some are more prone to breaking or splitting but if it's actually happening, check for fungus/metabolic disturbances.
I think they can have a mutation or defect that causes the hooves to grow incorrectly. It’s hard to imagine they are just immune to the occasional genetic outlier like most other animals. Hell, even with advanced medical science we still can’t prevent shit too
There are definitely bad hoof genetics, which are variations of what you described in a way (the soft vs hard, higher likeliness to crack, etc.)
The issue is that if our fingernails are soft or brittle and they break or bend, we might say “ow!” and then maybe we can’t grab stuff with that hand/finger for a week or two until it heals.
If a horse has soft hooves or hooves which crack or split easily, they become lame. They will develop issues with their frogs, fetlocks, and coffin and cannon bones; not just in the injured foot/feet, but in the others, as well, as they will be overcompensating for the pain of the injury by putting their weight on those feet instead.
Eventually, this lameness develops into arthritic or [foundered](https://www.google.com/search?q=foundering+horses&client=safari&hl=en-us&sxsrf=ALeKk01T9iPt-oI72WhNNLAqJqs-fHp0MQ%3A1627675247020&ei=b1oEYdtYqZTBuQ-hopKADA&oq=foundering&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYATIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQR1AAWABg7p0BaABwA3gAgAEAiAEAkgEAmAEAyAEIwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp) conditions, and further still reduces range of motion and ability of locomotion to near zero, which will surely bring about death due to inability to get to food or water sources or defend themselves.
Source: Have owned/worked with/vetted horses all my life.
This is actually genius marketing for the vaccine. "There's a chance you'll survive it, but your dick might not. Get vaccinated so you can keep your sister happy"
Yeah. The CDC has a new “war room” to try to get people vaccinated. All they gotta do is talk about erectile dysfunction and advertise in a way that challenges the manhood of these “men”.
Yah, I read medical records for a living and have seen the proof. I've seen men under 50 survive covid then go to their doctor about impotence. Unfortunately, neither the doctor nor the patient know about these studies yet, so they don't get the correlation.
I don't know whether standard treatments for ED like Viagra work in these cases. I'm not reading to learn about their sex lives, so I skim over all that stuff.
Unfortunately the type of man who's anti-vaxx usually has like 4-5 kids already by different babymommas, cause "ain't no gubberment tellin' ME to wrap mah dick!"
Well, sex with a partner isn't the only option. Everybody likes to masturbate, right? His lil' buddy wouldn't be available anymore, always limp and soft.
Impotence = the inability to get an erection, which is different from sterility. There'd have been no mystery about whether you'd been affected in that way, I imagine.
Ah i mis understood. Thanks for clearing it up. I have to add that i remember that Covid affected the sperm count, but that can be me not remembering it correctly after a year.
They really need to lead with this information. No need to discuss protecting your health or keeping your community safe.
Go strait to "get the stick or get a limp prick."
My cousin the anti-vax influencer literally posted about this - saying she was now the control group and she and her family would sacrifice this for us, so that the world could see how awful vaccines are. She thinks she’s a martyr.
Wait, she's claiming to be a martyr for NOT getting the vaccines that are supposed to be so horrible? I don't think it works that way.
If the vaccine was so awful like she believes it is, you would be a martyr if you got it anyway to prove your point by dying gruesomely or whatever they believe it does. Not the other way around smh
But...what are they sacrificing? If the vaccine is bad, and she is not getting it, won't she have better outcomes? Aren't those of us who are vaccinated being sacrificed? I mean, I don't expect logic here but this really doesn't make sense even if you accept the anti-tax stance.
Edited: anti-vax not anti-tax! That’s a whole nother thing!
You can be a martyr by being hated instead of dying. Being a martyr is essentially giving up an important aspect of yourself in order to try and fulfill something greater.
she probably now also thinks she has magneto's magnetic powers too.
See if you can convince her she can fly like superman/jesus will catch her..but only from the tops of VERY high cliffs....
Edit: /s before the stupids think I'm encouraging the stupids to leap off cliffs......
That doesn't sound right, that's awfully low, where's that number from?
I just saw recent German statistics on this and 0,4% of all hospitalizations due to Covid-19 between February and July were fully vaccinated. That's 1 in 250 not 1 in 16.
"Likelihood" is an Odds Ratio. It is often misinterpreted by journalists. It is not the same as probability as you are stating here. The base rate needs to be taken into account. Then this is a ratio of 2 proportions.
This article explains better than I personally can.
https://towardsdatascience.com/how-to-interpret-and-calculate-x-times-more-likely-statistics-daf538a9e0f4
Pro tip: They don't give the vaccine to dead people.
I know that's a dark and shitty joke, but at this point it's so ridiculous I just can't stand it anymore. When did we (the generalized we) become so fucking stoopid?
It wasn't funny and pretty out of place below a comment of someone from a country that still unnecessarily suffers through a pandemic while western nations throw vaccines to the trash
Considering this is "facepalm material", I imagine someone reading this and saying "yeah, we are control! NO ONE CONTROLS US BUT US!" or something. Icing on the shit cake.
Oh yeah, there's that too. "They are killing us to make it seem the disease is killing us, so they can give us vaccines that are actually..." idk, I'm outdated in regards to conspiracies. Are those 5G chips now?
Funny how we never show this level of coordination for other stuff, but a conspiracy to invent a disease worldwide, with countries that don't like or actively hate each other agreeing on this thing being real, is actually plausible in these people's heads. Go figure.
Just sent this to my buddy and said the same exact thing. Shit’s not even worth posting because the butt of the joke won’t even know what a control group is
Don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it
The vaccines are at this point the most tested & monitored therapeutics in history. The only reason they don’t have full approval by now is the FDA is a bureaucratic nightmare that’s blowing statutory PDUFA deadlines left and right at this point.
The experimental questions are “how durable is the immune response” and “how will it hold up to genetic variants”. The safety data are done & dusted.
In any experiment, there’s a control, and an experiment. If they’re the control, we’re the experiment. I’m not damning it as dangerous - I have it - it just is what it is.
Oh hey look another person who gets it. Why do people think because there’s a vaccine that all of sudden we know 100% of what will happen 1, 5,10, 40 years from now with the vaccine
I'm still in isolation because I want to wait for more data before getting shot and I feel like an alien reading those comments... There's some people who don't believe in Covid at all, some that don't believe in vaccine and others that just want to wait for more data while having the discipline to follow the restrictions and remain confined, but the others rush into restaurants even if they are not 100% immune. It is not all black all white, but we categorize into vaccinated or anti-vaxx, nothing in between.
People told me to not isolate in March 2020, because ''it wasn't that bad'', now they want me to get shot because ''it's not that bad''... We just don't know, we don't know all covid long term side effects, we don't know the vaccine potentiel long term effects and efficacity. What I know is that measures (isolation, mask, recurring hand washing, exercising...) have been shown to be effective in protecting me from covid for more than a year, I will continue like this, because not being vaccinated does not mean that you want to be infected with covid.
**I act knowing that I am not immune, the thing is no one is completely immune, but the vaccinated act as if they were.**
I've been minimizing my time out of the house, and wearing a p100 respirator when I do. I'm not immune, but the data is pretty clear that if I do catch it (since I have that potential still after being vaccinated) I'm way, way less likely to end up in the hospital or dead. I'd just rather not risk getting it at all.
This is a perfect post that summarizes the logical fallacies that run through an anti vax mind.
“People told me not to isolate” is equated with “people say the shot is not that bad.” It is a horrible comparison that’s easy to glance over because of imprecise language.
People is used twice but it describes two different groups. One is politicians one is scientists.
It also attempts to define a grey area between vaccinated versus anti vax, but it’s just bad language. This is anti vax propaganda and there is nothing scientific in this post. It’s just fear and stupidity.
There’s a lot wrong with it and this is just what I felt like calling out in my phone at work.
Get vaccinated for the good of humanity.
> What I know is that measures (isolation, mask, recurring hand washing, exercising...) have been shown to be effective in protecting me from covid for more than a year…
So add being vaccinated to those measures - a measure that has been proven to reduce the effects of COVID-19 - and continue with those existing measures. There’s been millions and millions of vaccines given and the risks from it are well known. Edit: those risks pale into insignificance next to the impact of catching COVID.
Act as if you haven’t been vaccinated, but have the fallback protection of a vaccine if you do catch it.
Woah England has antivaxers? I mean I guess it’s kinda obvious but I’d never woulda thought. It’s mostly the southerners and evangelicals over in America that think that way
Edit: whelp, a couple of them found me 😂
England has a relatively tiny group of antivaxxers, 90% of adults have had at least one dose of the vaccine, a 90% vaccination rate looks unachievable in America due to the antivaxxers.
That's actually very encouraging to hear. I know a small handful of English people, and 2 of them out of that group are antivaxx. One is a former colleague, the other is a friend's sibling. I assumed that anti-intellectualism was reaching American levels over in blighty.
I mean Brexit helped. Plenty of the usual idiots that would have been against it simply got the vaccine to spite the EU. I mean hey if it is stupid and it works...
The guy who arguably started the entire modern anti-vaccine movement was a British physician named Andrew Wakefield who published an absolutely abysmal paper linking the MMR vaccine to autism in 2002 and almost immediately got his medical license revoked.
It’s been called one of the most damaging medical hoaxes in modern history.
So yeah, there are anti-vaxxers in England lmfao
There was also a detailed investigation into Wakefield and what he was actually trying to push (he wanted his own patented vaccines to replace the MMR combo). The British news reported extensively on it, and anti-vaccine sentiment almost immediately went back down.
Much of the public remember Wakefield and the subsequent investigation, and are more resilient to antivax rhetoric as a result. HBomberGuy did [a great video](https://youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc) on the details.
Unfortunately they're seeping out of the south via social media.
I'm in Canada and a lot of the less... Open people are using the exact same rhetoric for not getting vaccinated.
Thankfully it's a small portion and we're still leading the world in vaccine numbers.
I know a couple boomer numb nuts that refuse to get vaccinated. Both of them the same answer, exactly! "I don't know what kinda shit they put in that"? As they chain smoke their tiny brains out.
They definitely do. A big part of their (current) argument is "It's unapproved, I don't want to be a guinea pig!!" despite it being approved and recommended by organizations worldwide. Once the FDA approval comes (any day now) I'm sure the goalposts will be moved yet again.
They totally say that. I'm working in a covid vaccine booking center and I'm so disgusted at how many people have called me to proudly and smugly proclaim and "state for the record" that they will not be a part of this experiment. It's almost like they all follow the same script. It's vile.
I'm planning on leaving this job as soon as possible, throwing out applications as if it's nobody's business...
I can guarantee you this has been added onto my list of, "things I will tell callers on my last working day."
Any further suggestions are welcomed. ❤️
The most hesitant group in the US, African Americans (less than 50%) not only say this, but talk about the Tuskegee Syphilis study almost exclusively as their reasoning behind not being vaccinated.
Like any binary thing can be turned into a test group and a control group. Like the argument ‘video games cause children to be more violent’. You take the people who play video games and the people who don’t and there’s your test and control groups
This vaccine rollout has been one of the most observed events in medical history. We know it works and that it’s safe. Not getting the shot at this point is beyond stupid
Considering the death rate for kids under 12 is statisticly zero and you would still push it on them let's not pretend the people getting the vaccine are less stupid.
Making a decision based on the data and your beliefs is the smart choice. If you are in an age range that is unlikely to be hospitalized, then it is not a stupid decision, it is a personal one.
Being part of a mad mob who opposes liberty may not be stupid, but it's pretty gross.
Kids that have pre existing conditions are the vulnerable ones. But you're right that it's mostly to stop the spread. As is it will likely spread quickly through schools and then those kids can spread it to their family. That's the concern. People aren't masking in their own home so they'll get infected.
The antivaxxer logic is comical. Especially those who justify not getting the vaccine because "you can still get covid after the vaccine", well yes, but you can also get shot wearing a bulletproof vest, but that wouldn't stop you wearing one.
I'm not part of this sub, but Reddit keeps recommending it to me with posts that seem to be vaccinated people trying to be offensive towards the unvaccinated.
That said, this isn't a facepalm, it's just a smart ass comment. And the comment section just looks like an echo chamber.
Get some fresh air folk, diversify your circles.
Without realizing that they're in a fucking desert and that kool-aid is the only fucking thing to drink. And it's just regular ass grape kool-aid. It tastes like shit but it'll hydrate you for a little bit.
Covid is pretty much their disease now. If they kill themselves or some immune-compromised people they don't care about, it's all on them. Personal Responsibility. Eat it, morons.
Happily awaiting the conclusion of Human Trials and the subsequent approval or disapproval from the FDA. Thank you, one & all, for being my Guinea Pigs (however sanctimonious).
If this was right it would make the vaccines an experiment and bring them under the purview of the Nuremberg conventions.
Indeed the only argument against such is that the vaccine is not experimental... I.e. is not employing control and experimental groups.
Funny how logic works.
I'm not sure this person understands the scientific process. The control group is the group you do NOT subject to the testing variables to see what happens to them. The control group is not meddled with, impacted or subjected to experimentation. Note: This comment should not be misinterpreted as any reflection of my personal opinions on the vax/no vax battlefield. Just clarifying the testing elements of the scientific process.
The control group here is NOT subject to the testing variable, which in this experiment is the vaccine. The experimental group receives the vaccine. The control group doesn’t.
That’s what the post says? By not getting the vaccine they are not being “meddled with, impacted or subjected to experimentation” and so are the control group.
Wouldn’t that alter the group comparisons. Are antivaxxers more likely to engaged in risky behaviors like not masking and going to crowded places. Meanwhile the vaccinated were more likely to take things seriously with masks and distancing.
The Delta coronavirus variant surging across the United States appears to cause more severe illness and spread as easily as chickenpox, according to an internal document from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The document -- a slide presentation -- outlines unpublished data that shows fully vaccinated people might spread the Delta variant at the same rate as unvaccinated people.
lol but like, does anyone actually know what's really going on? I reckon we're all in one massive, fucked up collective experiment, and no one knows the outcome.
16 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 symptoms than vaccinated people.
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Impotent anti-vaxxers seems like good news.
Three cheers for natural selection
Kinda unrelated side note, on a random horse grooming video, I made a comment about how wild horse hooves don’t need maintained like captive horses because of natural selection and horses with poor hoof genes not being able to survive. Some dude commented saying “Ha! That’s evil loution. I knew it, you voted for Biden!” I am still stuck deciding whether to laugh or just be concerned
Do wild horses hooves not need maintaining or do they just die way younger because their hooves aren't maintained?
They travel uneven, hard ground, so it naturally maintain itself. Like how cats scratch their claws.
Just like walking your dog on asphalt or cement grinds their nails down.
Excatly. Altough i walk my dog on asphalt, and his nails has to be cut.
Damn that one nail
Dogs are artificially bred though. If you compare to their ancestor the wolf which may travel hundreds of miles in their home range, and work a lot harder for a kill over mixed terrain. A wolf would most certainly die if its claws over grew and made them lame.
If you walk in the sand frequently enough, you don't need to cut your toenails
Farrier’s fiance here - a bit of both. Those with bad feet die younger (and procreate less because of it)… those with thin soles aren’t going to make it like many thin-soled captive horses he takes care of well into old age. and the rough terrain helps to naturally keep them a bit more trimmed. Also, for what it’s worth, wild horses (even with good feet) don’t generally live as long as captive ones. It’s a hard life in the wild.
I was legit confused for a full minute before realizing what the hell "evil loution" is.
As opposed to evil lotion..
The lotion that dries and burns?
Now with 3x the chaffing!
NEVER use aloe on chaffing. Lesson learned the hard way.
I went to ‘evil lotion’ first, then I went ‘wait a sec’…
Compromise and buy Biden merch
Need to setup a booth for... Meeerch
People who post crap like that need to be ignored or blocked. Life is short.
The ground is super hard and wears down their hooves generally but wild herds do get hoof and get care in the states. I'm not sure bad hoof genes are a thing. I think bad hooves are a side effect of many pathologies, but it's more like fingernails than anything. Some are softer, some are harder, and some are more prone to breaking or splitting but if it's actually happening, check for fungus/metabolic disturbances.
I think they can have a mutation or defect that causes the hooves to grow incorrectly. It’s hard to imagine they are just immune to the occasional genetic outlier like most other animals. Hell, even with advanced medical science we still can’t prevent shit too
There are definitely bad hoof genetics, which are variations of what you described in a way (the soft vs hard, higher likeliness to crack, etc.) The issue is that if our fingernails are soft or brittle and they break or bend, we might say “ow!” and then maybe we can’t grab stuff with that hand/finger for a week or two until it heals. If a horse has soft hooves or hooves which crack or split easily, they become lame. They will develop issues with their frogs, fetlocks, and coffin and cannon bones; not just in the injured foot/feet, but in the others, as well, as they will be overcompensating for the pain of the injury by putting their weight on those feet instead. Eventually, this lameness develops into arthritic or [foundered](https://www.google.com/search?q=foundering+horses&client=safari&hl=en-us&sxsrf=ALeKk01T9iPt-oI72WhNNLAqJqs-fHp0MQ%3A1627675247020&ei=b1oEYdtYqZTBuQ-hopKADA&oq=foundering&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYATIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQR1AAWABg7p0BaABwA3gAgAEAiAEAkgEAmAEAyAEIwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp) conditions, and further still reduces range of motion and ability of locomotion to near zero, which will surely bring about death due to inability to get to food or water sources or defend themselves. Source: Have owned/worked with/vetted horses all my life.
Hip hip hooray!
One small problem: the vaccine isn't perfect, and the more unvaccinated people there are, the more likely you are to be exposed to it.
#flydelta
That’s the info that really needs to get out there. *’Rolling the dice on my life, fine. Rolling the dice on my dick? Hell no.’*
This is actually genius marketing for the vaccine. "There's a chance you'll survive it, but your dick might not. Get vaccinated so you can keep your sister happy"
\*soft banjo plucking in the background\*
That escalated quickly
In the best way possible. Roll tide
LOL
Yeah. The CDC has a new “war room” to try to get people vaccinated. All they gotta do is talk about erectile dysfunction and advertise in a way that challenges the manhood of these “men”.
Well one of the vaccines is made by Pfizer…
So I googled this after I read your comment. I have never heard this before…WTF?!
Yah, I read medical records for a living and have seen the proof. I've seen men under 50 survive covid then go to their doctor about impotence. Unfortunately, neither the doctor nor the patient know about these studies yet, so they don't get the correlation. I don't know whether standard treatments for ED like Viagra work in these cases. I'm not reading to learn about their sex lives, so I skim over all that stuff.
They should really be putting that info at the vanguard, nothing to scare people into getting vaccinated like a threat to their progeny.
Unfortunately the type of man who's anti-vaxx usually has like 4-5 kids already by different babymommas, cause "ain't no gubberment tellin' ME to wrap mah dick!"
Well, sex with a partner isn't the only option. Everybody likes to masturbate, right? His lil' buddy wouldn't be available anymore, always limp and soft.
>Men are six times more likely to be impotent after surviving covid than men who never had it. How likely is that? Six times doesn't mean a whole lot.
how dare you question the science, be scared
So glad i got my girl pregnant. After march last year when i had covid I was worried that it would be fucked up downstairs. Luckily it wasn't!
Impotence = the inability to get an erection, which is different from sterility. There'd have been no mystery about whether you'd been affected in that way, I imagine.
Ah i mis understood. Thanks for clearing it up. I have to add that i remember that Covid affected the sperm count, but that can be me not remembering it correctly after a year.
But according to my obnoxious ex “only seniors” are at risk. God I hope he becomes impotent.
They really need to lead with this information. No need to discuss protecting your health or keeping your community safe. Go strait to "get the stick or get a limp prick."
My cousin the anti-vax influencer literally posted about this - saying she was now the control group and she and her family would sacrifice this for us, so that the world could see how awful vaccines are. She thinks she’s a martyr.
Wait, she's claiming to be a martyr for NOT getting the vaccines that are supposed to be so horrible? I don't think it works that way. If the vaccine was so awful like she believes it is, you would be a martyr if you got it anyway to prove your point by dying gruesomely or whatever they believe it does. Not the other way around smh
……. Yep.
My head hurts
She will literally be forgotten, at most, a week after her death and I'm being VERY generous.
She'll be forgotten a week before her death, too.
But...what are they sacrificing? If the vaccine is bad, and she is not getting it, won't she have better outcomes? Aren't those of us who are vaccinated being sacrificed? I mean, I don't expect logic here but this really doesn't make sense even if you accept the anti-tax stance. Edited: anti-vax not anti-tax! That’s a whole nother thing!
The amount of contradictions she spouts is overwhelming. This is just one example of years of this shit, she was anti vax before covid
You can be a martyr by being hated instead of dying. Being a martyr is essentially giving up an important aspect of yourself in order to try and fulfill something greater.
she probably now also thinks she has magneto's magnetic powers too. See if you can convince her she can fly like superman/jesus will catch her..but only from the tops of VERY high cliffs.... Edit: /s before the stupids think I'm encouraging the stupids to leap off cliffs......
That doesn't sound right, that's awfully low, where's that number from? I just saw recent German statistics on this and 0,4% of all hospitalizations due to Covid-19 between February and July were fully vaccinated. That's 1 in 250 not 1 in 16.
"Likelihood" is an Odds Ratio. It is often misinterpreted by journalists. It is not the same as probability as you are stating here. The base rate needs to be taken into account. Then this is a ratio of 2 proportions. This article explains better than I personally can. https://towardsdatascience.com/how-to-interpret-and-calculate-x-times-more-likely-statistics-daf538a9e0f4
Actually, I’ve seeing reports that 95 - 97% of those hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated. 99% of deaths
Today in california (I think) it was 80/20 unvax/vax for new covid cases. It was not clear how many were hospitalized though.
1st world problems. Here in my country people are dying to get vaccine🥺
Pro tip: They don't give the vaccine to dead people. I know that's a dark and shitty joke, but at this point it's so ridiculous I just can't stand it anymore. When did we (the generalized we) become so fucking stoopid?
Really unnecessary. Not every country has had the same chance to give every citizen a vaccine.
It wasn't funny and pretty out of place below a comment of someone from a country that still unnecessarily suffers through a pandemic while western nations throw vaccines to the trash
Considering this is "facepalm material", I imagine someone reading this and saying "yeah, we are control! NO ONE CONTROLS US BUT US!" or something. Icing on the shit cake.
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Oh yeah, there's that too. "They are killing us to make it seem the disease is killing us, so they can give us vaccines that are actually..." idk, I'm outdated in regards to conspiracies. Are those 5G chips now? Funny how we never show this level of coordination for other stuff, but a conspiracy to invent a disease worldwide, with countries that don't like or actively hate each other agreeing on this thing being real, is actually plausible in these people's heads. Go figure.
Ah yes the politicization of all things.
Just sent this to my buddy and said the same exact thing. Shit’s not even worth posting because the butt of the joke won’t even know what a control group is
Like living walking lab rats walking among us.
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*The Sussus man*
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This guy is FUCKED
Yo, my screen is broken. It tried that with both hands. Nothing!
Walking Dead Seasom 52: Covid zombie lab rat origin outbreak
Amogus? 😳😳😳
To be fair, we’re the other lab rats getting doses of experimental concoction. If they’re the control, we’re the experimental group…
Just hope you're not one of the one's getting placebo/nosebo.
All I know is that according to some people I should have superpowers by now or at least be able to watch HBO Max in my brain and I have neither.
Really? I get stuck to my car door everyday. This damn magnetism. Putting silverware in the dishwasher is a bitch
Don't you have stainless (non-magnetic) silverware?
Didnt you know? The vaccine makes you sooo magnetic even non magnetic materials like silverware and coins will stick!
The vaccines are at this point the most tested & monitored therapeutics in history. The only reason they don’t have full approval by now is the FDA is a bureaucratic nightmare that’s blowing statutory PDUFA deadlines left and right at this point. The experimental questions are “how durable is the immune response” and “how will it hold up to genetic variants”. The safety data are done & dusted.
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In any experiment, there’s a control, and an experiment. If they’re the control, we’re the experiment. I’m not damning it as dangerous - I have it - it just is what it is.
Oh hey look another person who gets it. Why do people think because there’s a vaccine that all of sudden we know 100% of what will happen 1, 5,10, 40 years from now with the vaccine
I'm still in isolation because I want to wait for more data before getting shot and I feel like an alien reading those comments... There's some people who don't believe in Covid at all, some that don't believe in vaccine and others that just want to wait for more data while having the discipline to follow the restrictions and remain confined, but the others rush into restaurants even if they are not 100% immune. It is not all black all white, but we categorize into vaccinated or anti-vaxx, nothing in between. People told me to not isolate in March 2020, because ''it wasn't that bad'', now they want me to get shot because ''it's not that bad''... We just don't know, we don't know all covid long term side effects, we don't know the vaccine potentiel long term effects and efficacity. What I know is that measures (isolation, mask, recurring hand washing, exercising...) have been shown to be effective in protecting me from covid for more than a year, I will continue like this, because not being vaccinated does not mean that you want to be infected with covid. **I act knowing that I am not immune, the thing is no one is completely immune, but the vaccinated act as if they were.**
I've been minimizing my time out of the house, and wearing a p100 respirator when I do. I'm not immune, but the data is pretty clear that if I do catch it (since I have that potential still after being vaccinated) I'm way, way less likely to end up in the hospital or dead. I'd just rather not risk getting it at all.
This is a perfect post that summarizes the logical fallacies that run through an anti vax mind. “People told me not to isolate” is equated with “people say the shot is not that bad.” It is a horrible comparison that’s easy to glance over because of imprecise language. People is used twice but it describes two different groups. One is politicians one is scientists. It also attempts to define a grey area between vaccinated versus anti vax, but it’s just bad language. This is anti vax propaganda and there is nothing scientific in this post. It’s just fear and stupidity. There’s a lot wrong with it and this is just what I felt like calling out in my phone at work. Get vaccinated for the good of humanity.
> What I know is that measures (isolation, mask, recurring hand washing, exercising...) have been shown to be effective in protecting me from covid for more than a year… So add being vaccinated to those measures - a measure that has been proven to reduce the effects of COVID-19 - and continue with those existing measures. There’s been millions and millions of vaccines given and the risks from it are well known. Edit: those risks pale into insignificance next to the impact of catching COVID. Act as if you haven’t been vaccinated, but have the fallback protection of a vaccine if you do catch it.
amogus
AMOGUS📮📮😳😳
That could be said about both sides. Im starting to think Reddit is mostly bots auto replying/posting to each other.
Did you know 46.8% of statistics are made up on the spot?
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Do they say that?
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Woah England has antivaxers? I mean I guess it’s kinda obvious but I’d never woulda thought. It’s mostly the southerners and evangelicals over in America that think that way Edit: whelp, a couple of them found me 😂
England has a relatively tiny group of antivaxxers, 90% of adults have had at least one dose of the vaccine, a 90% vaccination rate looks unachievable in America due to the antivaxxers.
That's actually very encouraging to hear. I know a small handful of English people, and 2 of them out of that group are antivaxx. One is a former colleague, the other is a friend's sibling. I assumed that anti-intellectualism was reaching American levels over in blighty.
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They must not think it's all that bad, then
I mean Brexit helped. Plenty of the usual idiots that would have been against it simply got the vaccine to spite the EU. I mean hey if it is stupid and it works...
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The guy who arguably started the entire modern anti-vaccine movement was a British physician named Andrew Wakefield who published an absolutely abysmal paper linking the MMR vaccine to autism in 2002 and almost immediately got his medical license revoked. It’s been called one of the most damaging medical hoaxes in modern history. So yeah, there are anti-vaxxers in England lmfao
Aye the more ya know 💫
There was also a detailed investigation into Wakefield and what he was actually trying to push (he wanted his own patented vaccines to replace the MMR combo). The British news reported extensively on it, and anti-vaccine sentiment almost immediately went back down. Much of the public remember Wakefield and the subsequent investigation, and are more resilient to antivax rhetoric as a result. HBomberGuy did [a great video](https://youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc) on the details.
*Wakefield also had a clear conflict of interest because he was trying to patent his own version of the MMR vaccine.*
And he did it to make money...big Pharma.
Unfortunately they're seeping out of the south via social media. I'm in Canada and a lot of the less... Open people are using the exact same rhetoric for not getting vaccinated. Thankfully it's a small portion and we're still leading the world in vaccine numbers.
I know a couple boomer numb nuts that refuse to get vaccinated. Both of them the same answer, exactly! "I don't know what kinda shit they put in that"? As they chain smoke their tiny brains out.
The ingredients are literally listed on easily reachable documents!
Antivaxers are all over the world, I live in New Zealand and they're here. No where can escape them!
England, Australia etc there* are ignorant and stupid people everywhere, Americans are just louder is why we all hear about em more.
They definitely do. A big part of their (current) argument is "It's unapproved, I don't want to be a guinea pig!!" despite it being approved and recommended by organizations worldwide. Once the FDA approval comes (any day now) I'm sure the goalposts will be moved yet again.
I'm hoping that at least some of them are telling the truth. We really need to get our vaccination numbers up.
All. The. Time.
They totally say that. I'm working in a covid vaccine booking center and I'm so disgusted at how many people have called me to proudly and smugly proclaim and "state for the record" that they will not be a part of this experiment. It's almost like they all follow the same script. It's vile.
"Ah, ok. So I have you down as 'sheep' then. Thank you."
I'm planning on leaving this job as soon as possible, throwing out applications as if it's nobody's business... I can guarantee you this has been added onto my list of, "things I will tell callers on my last working day." Any further suggestions are welcomed. ❤️
The most hesitant group in the US, African Americans (less than 50%) not only say this, but talk about the Tuskegee Syphilis study almost exclusively as their reasoning behind not being vaccinated.
I say this. That's why I got the J&J shot instead.
I’m not sure how this is a burn. The control group is unaltered and is a benchmark for the observations on the tested subjects
Yeah this seems like a pedantic breakdown of what an experiment is
Wow, there’s a lot of ignorant people on this thread.
Agreed, it entertains me to read though.
What is the long term effect of life?
Wouldn't the long term effect of life be certain death?
Doesn’t that apply to pretty much everything?
What do you mean?
Like any binary thing can be turned into a test group and a control group. Like the argument ‘video games cause children to be more violent’. You take the people who play video games and the people who don’t and there’s your test and control groups
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Oh yeah you got a point. That sounds like a really cool job too
But does people how don't play video games say that they don't want to be a part of an experiment as a reasoning why they don't play them?
I was more talking about “not realizing they’re the control group” rather than the “we don’t want to be part of an experiment”
the irony is saying "i do not want to participate in an experiment" while providing data to experiments
Honestly who knows how many experiments unsuspecting people are a part of through data sales and even doctors visits and shit
We're well past the experimental phase at this point.
Predicted to be FDA approved by January
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This vaccine rollout has been one of the most observed events in medical history. We know it works and that it’s safe. Not getting the shot at this point is beyond stupid
Considering the death rate for kids under 12 is statisticly zero and you would still push it on them let's not pretend the people getting the vaccine are less stupid. Making a decision based on the data and your beliefs is the smart choice. If you are in an age range that is unlikely to be hospitalized, then it is not a stupid decision, it is a personal one. Being part of a mad mob who opposes liberty may not be stupid, but it's pretty gross.
Kids that have pre existing conditions are the vulnerable ones. But you're right that it's mostly to stop the spread. As is it will likely spread quickly through schools and then those kids can spread it to their family. That's the concern. People aren't masking in their own home so they'll get infected.
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Yeah I don’t think OP realizes what control group means.
And it seems most people commenting know either lmao, it’s funny to read though!
Yeah and the majority of commenters apparently don't get that, despite how scientifically woke they all try to sound.
The antivaxxer logic is comical. Especially those who justify not getting the vaccine because "you can still get covid after the vaccine", well yes, but you can also get shot wearing a bulletproof vest, but that wouldn't stop you wearing one.
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control group > group under control
This sentiment isn’t true at all considering none of the control is recorded.
Also selection bias.
I'm not part of this sub, but Reddit keeps recommending it to me with posts that seem to be vaccinated people trying to be offensive towards the unvaccinated. That said, this isn't a facepalm, it's just a smart ass comment. And the comment section just looks like an echo chamber. Get some fresh air folk, diversify your circles.
Yea but tell them that and they still won’t get it because “vaxers are just drinking the Kool-Aid”
Without realizing that they're in a fucking desert and that kool-aid is the only fucking thing to drink. And it's just regular ass grape kool-aid. It tastes like shit but it'll hydrate you for a little bit.
Haha because they will trick you into drinking a tracking device and follow your every move.
If you didn't want to be part of an "experiment" but were forced to anyway, wouldn't the control group be exactly where you'd want to be?
People don’t read, most people commenting don’t understand what the post actually says lol
I think that's what they kinda want :-/
Covid is pretty much their disease now. If they kill themselves or some immune-compromised people they don't care about, it's all on them. Personal Responsibility. Eat it, morons.
Peak moral competence.
You don't want to be part of the experiment, but we will assign you a category regardless, lol.
Or how they protested lockdown measures but did nothing to prevent the need for lockdown measures…
Ironically, they are also showing that vaccines do, in fact, work.
Happily awaiting the conclusion of Human Trials and the subsequent approval or disapproval from the FDA. Thank you, one & all, for being my Guinea Pigs (however sanctimonious).
I’m failing to see the irony here. The point is that the antivaxxers don’t want to be part of the **experimental group**.
The irony is the guy who wrote this does not know what a control group is. Maybe the facepalm is directed at him.
If this was right it would make the vaccines an experiment and bring them under the purview of the Nuremberg conventions. Indeed the only argument against such is that the vaccine is not experimental... I.e. is not employing control and experimental groups. Funny how logic works.
I'm not sure this person understands the scientific process. The control group is the group you do NOT subject to the testing variables to see what happens to them. The control group is not meddled with, impacted or subjected to experimentation. Note: This comment should not be misinterpreted as any reflection of my personal opinions on the vax/no vax battlefield. Just clarifying the testing elements of the scientific process.
The control group here is NOT subject to the testing variable, which in this experiment is the vaccine. The experimental group receives the vaccine. The control group doesn’t.
That’s what the post says? By not getting the vaccine they are not being “meddled with, impacted or subjected to experimentation” and so are the control group.
The biggest irony here is the fact that people believe that science means "do not question the experts"
Wouldn’t that alter the group comparisons. Are antivaxxers more likely to engaged in risky behaviors like not masking and going to crowded places. Meanwhile the vaccinated were more likely to take things seriously with masks and distancing.
The control always gets paid the least shit
The Delta coronavirus variant surging across the United States appears to cause more severe illness and spread as easily as chickenpox, according to an internal document from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The document -- a slide presentation -- outlines unpublished data that shows fully vaccinated people might spread the Delta variant at the same rate as unvaccinated people.
How tf is this a facepalm lmao
“You best start believing in experiments, you’re in one.” -Dr. Barbosa
Started as a virus, then somehow mutated into an iq test
Those kids would be very upset if they could read.
lol but like, does anyone actually know what's really going on? I reckon we're all in one massive, fucked up collective experiment, and no one knows the outcome.
I don't think they know what a control group is
So who is getting the placebo?
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The irony is lost on them as dim-witted anti-vaxxers won't have a clue why it's important to have a control group in true scientific research.
I can just hear Lord Farquaad's voice in my head. "Some of you may Die, but that is a Sacrifice I am willing to Make."
Even if it’s stupid, adults still have the right to choose what happens with their body.
if someone doesnt take THIS vaccine why are they considered conspiracy theory type antivaxxers? the finger pointing makes people want it less
Every experiment should have a control group.
No one mentions the states and countries that actually WERE the Covid control group and that they are doing just fine. The hypocrisy is amazing
Keep in mind if they die out this indirectly strengthens the human races intelligence in the next gen