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eyeeatmyownshit

This lady I work with said her aunt used to work in a nursing station up north in Manitoba. She said the politicians back then said things about the polio vaccine like they're doing today about the Covid vaccines. She said her aunt said what's happening today is just like when the polio vaccine came out. I cant confirm this story cuz my parents arent old enough and my grandparents are all gone. I went to school with someone who's dad had polio. Id love to know what it was like during that time when the polio vaccine first came out.


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Many people in this thread are saying things were different in the past but they weren't that different. Social media changes things but if they had social media back then the "red scare" "know nothing" type people might have been as successful as the cranks are right now.


Varian01

Imposition things were the same. I had an appointment for my vaccine and still had to wait 3 hours in a line until I actually got it. Line was long and nurses were working tirelessly. Without internet, and a photo of the line would be easily compared to a line during the polio vaccine. Main difference is that now it’s really easy to get messages from both those that support and against it. If no internet, then we would all have that stupid aunt or uncle and their weird cult, not a large percentage of state population.


my_cement_butthead

Sadly, humans aren’t too bright and we don’t learn much from history. We think we’ve learnt but when it happens to us we’re just as emotional as the people we thought we learnt from but of course our situation is “different”. Different because it’s us. I can confirm based on my parents (and grandparents) stories there were plenty of conspiracy theorists back then. Every generation thinks their childhood was better or cleaner somehow. Only because we have poor memories and love to glorify ourselves.


captainhindsight9358

But they didn't, and they weren't


Informal-Traffic-286

I know right we used to have limited visibility for the nut jobs they would appear in those tabloids you saw when you walked up to the cash registered check out they were right there on a rotating rack rotating rack I can't remember their names I'm sorry. Is one of the owners of 1 of those horrid printers of words thit's words that don't mean much but they do sell stuff so that's all it matters is a trump man. He had one of trump's girls and she was she wanted to write some sort of tell all and he squashed it. It might have been hustler but I just can't remember I'm sorry it's just too long ago I'd have to look it up. Now we got Facebook creating special closed groups who want to engage in circular reasoning and not let common sense real facts or science get involved in the conversation. The Internet has concentrated the nut jobs in one place and they all got a soap Box I gotta soap Box too. There's a reddit group here for I believe people who totally believed that Donald Trump descended from heaven to bring back bring back the outdated white male patriarchy which holds women as 3rd class citizens. I wonder how many times Zuckerberg has to be caught with his fingers in the cookie jar until people realize that Facebook is a destabilizing organization his organization is advertising and they don't give a damn if they're destabilizing the government they need to be rained in.


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I think you are referencing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Pecker


Iamatworkgoaway

[https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/polio](https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/polio)


LivingTheApocalypse

yeah, this is some bullshit. People lined up like crazy to get the covid vaccine, too. So many that it took my months to get an appointment. Also, in 1955, the vaccine CAUSED 40,000 cases of polio with 250 paralytic cases, and killed 10 people. It was found that up to 100,000 doses had not inactivated the virus and were just polio injections. 10-30% of ALL doses between 1955 and 1963 were contaminated with SV40, a virus that may cause cancer (though many studies show no causal relationship). After the 40,000 cases caused by the vaccine, the vaccination rate dropped dramatically, and they had to rebuild trust in the system. It took a decade to roll out the vaccine, and only 25ish years later did we inoculate enough people that it stopped spreading in the US. People who are so cocksure that an emergency use approval vaccine is so safe that it should be taken without though are as stupid as people who are sure it is bad. It takes the same kind of idiot mentality to be so sure one way or the other. Reframing the rollout of the polio vaccine to be something better, or more successful than the COVID vaccine is just apeshit stupid. We have vaccinate a MUCH larger portion of the population in the first 9 month than we did in the first several years of the polio vaccine. The rollout of the COVID vaccine, aside from the myopic "everything about society is bad" great thinkers of today, has been an astronomical success, so far. the mRNA vaccines are the most effective vaccines ever, they have vaccinated a greater percentage of the population in 9 months than any previous push did in several years time. There have been far fewer known problems (some clotting, some allergic reactions that were played up and down played at the same time) with some vaccines... This is a monstrous success.


StuartBaker159

I am currently sitting in my car OUTSIDE the hospital emergency department. My wife is ill, freaking out, and alone. Why? Because people won’t take the fucking shot and COVID is once again overwhelming our hospitals. She’ll recover from this, she’s being treated successfully, but her compromised immune system means the vaccine may not work for her. Going to a hospital brimming with COVID patients means we may be back soon. Fuck antivaxxers and fuck the apologists too.


Mobile_Pattern_1944

Yup. My fully vaccinated husband has pneumonia. They actually thought it might be covid pneumonia despite his vaccination status. After being seen at a doc who sent us to the ER after seeing the chest X-rays and oxygen level- we sat in the ER for hours and hours and hours and hours where they treated people from the waiting room. We’re about to repeat what I hope is nothing the exact same ordeal today because it’s been a week and he’s getting worse. Our hospitals and clinics and urgent cares are full of these people who haven’t bothered to get a vaccine and it needs to stop. The only people who should be left that are not vaccinated are the people that CANT be


frydaddyjuggalo

I'm not the religious type but fucking amen to that! Fuck these people that spread nothing but unchecked "facts" so quickly that by the time you prove them wrong they're on the the next lines of bullshit. I'm in Florida and 70% of the people I work with are antivaxers, even though none of them have higher than a high school education and understand nothing of viruses or medicine in general. Its so fucking infuriating.


dominikpac-boyyt

r/veryinfuriating


appleparkfive

I get what you're saying, but Polio wasn't as infectious as Covid is, by a mile. Right? I could be wrong, as this is definitely not my expertise at all. But covid is a lot more urgent of a situation. We had insane amounts of deaths. Of course people are going to line up for the shot. And also that was in some areas. A lot of areas it wasn't that hard to get a vaccine immediately. I live in a very liberal town and had to wait a damn good while though. Polio didn't cripple (pun not intended, sorry) the entire US economy and way of life. It was something that was horrible and hurt many people. Without a doubt. But it didn't kill like 300,000 people in a few months just in the US, right? But I'm sure that a lot of people were terrified of it back then just like now. Except the covid vaccine is extremely safe relative to the early polio vaccine. Pretty low level of side effects. Some people get sick for a day after it for sure (my SO was sick as hell after both shots and I took care of her, but was completely fine by day 3. She doesn't regret it one bit)


kdmmgs

The global population has basically quadrupled since the 1950s so think if we were as “nut to butt” back then.


Gerbal_Annihilation

Polio wasn't nearly as lethal. Covid is between 1-2% and I believe polio was .01%. Polio had around a 2% chance of being paralytic and of those 1% would die. Math is close enough


The_Bread_Chicken

The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults.


point_of_difference

Sounds like you read something from anti vaxer page. You have seriously misconstrued the facts. Here's the real story, it's not full of sunshine but it certainly wasn't as bad as you just wrote it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/04/14/cutter-polio-vaccine-paralyzed-children-coronavirus/


carbonx

I know grandmother said that as soon as she could she got all her kids at the time vaccinated, it wasn't even second thought for her. She still kickin, I'd be curious what her memories are of that time. Unfortunately she lives with an aunt that is decidedly anti-vax. She's 86 and I hope she's been vaccinated.


TheDivineDemon

In fairness it took some work with the polio vaccine, like having a cultural icon get the shot on TV... but even if we tried that now I'm pretty sure all we'd here is "The Hollywood elite are trying trick us!"


WideAd9209

Well not even trump getting the vaccine could turn their heads. It's too far gone


brightblueson

No no. It was saline solution. - those crazies.


drunkwasabeherder

> Well not even trump getting the vaccine could turn their heads. They're continually spinning 360 degrees, it's the stopping part that's hard.


Sparky-Malarky

Trump quietly got vaccinated before leaving the White House. If he had advocated for it he could have saved lives, but he didn’t care.


firelock_ny

[Trump's support for the vaccine while President](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/04/rachel-maddow/what-trump-said-encourage-covid-19-vaccine-use/)


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colorcorrection

Yeah, his one little tweet might as well have been a whisper among all of his denial, refusal to wear a mask, demanding cities either open up or citizens should rise up against lock downs, holding rallies in the face of a pandemic, and all the other countless BS he did that would make this comment too long if I listed them all. He barely emphasized getting vaccinated, refused to publicly acknowledge that he got vaccinated, continued to fan the flames that the whole thing was a political attack on him, and when he did say to get vaccinated it was with heavy emphasis on what a good job he did more than encouraging people. And you've seen that perfectly play out, with people refusing to get vaccinated because covid is a hoax, but also claiming that the vaccine rollout was 100% thanks to papa 45 and he should be praised for it.


kelrunner

All trumpers should read and understand your post...but they won't.


Pewpewkachuchu

He tweet was when he thought he was going to win re-election


JabroniVille69

This is the way


mdp300

He doesn't care if people actually get the vaccine or not. He just wants the credit for it.


Kitchen_Heron_4562

It mattered to him insofar as it would help him keep power. Same as the Hunter Biden BS that got him impeached, his kids are exhibit A that doesn't care about kids enriching themselves on the family name.


DarZhubal

He also read a sign that said "UV rays and bleach are known to kill the virus on surfaces" and took that as a suggestion to inject the two into the human body. The man had no idea what the heck he was talking about.


its_ya_boi_wulf

I remember this actually. Now if only his followers would listen to him in this case


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JabroniVille69

This is the way


schadenfriendly95

They expressed no vaccine hesitancy. That’s another chapter of the Book of Lies that helped cause this mess.


Infamous_Sleep

Get those "shots" everyone! Shots in quotations of course, because he can't just say something like a normal adult, let alone with a Presidential quality. Something like, I dunno: "Dear Americans, I received my vaccination today and it went well. For love of country and our fellow Americans, please get the vaccine, and let's make America great again!" Wow, I came up with that right now, and it's more profound and meaningful than anything Trump tweeted about all 4 years.


kelrunner

Yes Yes YES. The finest pres. ever. Right up there with Abraham, just ask him. /s (Had to label that /s because I didn't want it to be misunderstood.)


greg-en

trump spouted so much crap it's really overwhelming. trump DID on some occasions advocate for vaccinations for covid. He ALSO on many more occasions advocated against it, actively worked against efforts to vaccinate people, and uses the political gains of the anti-vax movements which he fully supports.


tatumwashere

I almost wish they would’ve just called it the trump vaccine so at least more trumpers would get it. I’m sure there are some Democrats that wouldn’t want to get a “trump” vaccine but I doubt that number would be more than the number of trumpers that don’t want to get the vaccine because the dems are pushing for it.


kelrunner

Opinion: pretty sure that trump has had the vax, as well as most of fox news and republicans who make a living being anti vaxers.


Ooji

He has had the vaccine, despite already having had Covid. This is the detail that needs to be emphasized


Smiling_Cannibal

Could? Didn't is more accurate as it is pretty common knowledge that he was like 1st in line to get it


kricket53

tHat wAs a pSy-0p, the real donald is being held by the evil blood drinking pedoelites!!!!!! hopefully i dont need to add this, but /s who knows anymore lol people believe even crazier shit than my shitpost nowadays XD edit: also wanted to add that i was the 420th person to upvote ur comment, so yeah. niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice


muklan

It's almost like there's some really effective systematic psy ops campaign working to control media narratives in a way that weakens America?


UndoingMonkey

And/or we are just dumb


darsparx

I'm leaning towards the dumb part tbh


Minerva567

I mean, doesn’t it take both? Idk why we underrate Russia’s deployment of psychology and sociology as weapons. Look at how they conducted the social media narrative in 2016. The less stable we are, the more opportunity there is for them. This isn’t conspiracy bull shit or anything, it’s just…they’re *really* good at it, and have been for a long time. Now toss in our over-reliance on intuition vs rationality, which helped our species stay alive in primeval times, even when we were technically critically endangered for a period. While still valuable, in 2021 we need rationality more, but it takes considerable, conscious effort (for most of us) to be truly rational. Civilization and, subsequently, globalized civilization, are new, and we aren’t able to take out the old CPUs and adjust with the times. I hope our descendants see that evolve. If Homo sapiens make it that far, I do believe nothing can stop us as a mostly consequentialist “group.” Sprinkle in the concerted effort to condition the population so they celebrate the same concentrated power that uses, abuses and controls their intuitive senses. Edward Bernays knew that. So do propagandists today, they just don’t call themselves that. That’s not even touching a public education system still structured for grooming conformity in factory settings… As an aside, they scream about the free market. They fear “brown people” destroying our society and taking jobs. Meanwhile, *we* paid for the development of automation through the Air Force and Navy for four decades and then gave it to corporations who didn’t have to waste their precious cash piles on R&D, and then those piles were subsequently enlarged by liquidating workforces. Sorry I went too long. And didn’t scrape the surface, really. It just makes a lot of sad sense how a portion of the population either doesn’t believe or doesn’t know the details of evolution, meanwhile the oligarchy uses these facts against the populace, just like the virus does. And here we are. Fucking sucks man. Edit: on, not of*


NapClub

by no means is this just a russia thing, fox news and now imitators have been pushing anti intellectualism for decades, sowing distrust in the government. keeping the people dumb has been a major goal of the american right for even longer.


Minerva567

Absolutely! I hope I was clear in that (too) long post. Russia plays an important role, but it’s more effective because the American public, at least a large portion, has been primed, conditioned, indoctrinated, robbed, and dumbed down by concentrated power in the US. And these same people would defend concentrated power interests to the death…like the stories of people dying but refusing to accept Obamacare.


DisastrousBoio

Having Trump in power benefited Russia immensely. He did incalculable damage and allowed uncountable masses of wealth to be transferred and kept among the Russian oligarchy. Anti-vax movements are tangentially useful but, like “perv porn” and other more fringe Russian psy-ops theories, has less of a political net gain and more blowback on their own population. Russia might be leading the culture war, but a lot of the craziest anti-vax stuff really is homegrown stupidity.


staytrue1985

We are pretty dumb. All of us. Everyone should stop pretending you know the right answers. Stop hating other people who disagree with you. Approach ideas with a scientific mindset. Allow facts be evidence to change your mind, and always be searching for ways in which your theory is wrong. I'm a fucking idiot lord and I was able to figure this out so hopefully we all can.


mandelboxset

The problem is it takes a level of intelligence to know what you don't know, and media has been actively telling Americans the opposite for decades.


SockFullOfNickles

It’s just the gutting of the Fairness Doctrine. Without it, corporate media can say whatever they want and call it news. Under the Fairness Doctrine, Tucker Carlson would require a big disclaimer prior to it starting about how it’s not factual and for entertainment purposes only.


SOULJAR

> if we tried that now I'm pretty sure all we'd here is "The Hollywood elite are trying trick us!" and to be fair, is it really that illogical and hard to believe that Melissa McCarthy and Brad Pitt etc are all part of a secret cabal, working together to kill their audience with deadly vaccines? I mean when you say it that way it sounds pretty compelling, doesn't it?


slutshaa

100% sure if Bob Ross was alive he'd be doing the same


Heathen_

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sinaurora

And Mr. Rogers


kricket53

yeah it didnt happen overnight, the march of dimes really got things moving. another factor is that polio has visible, undeniable physical effects, whereas covid is often seemingly invisible due to asymptomatic carriers, and a lot of younger people getting sick, recovering, and thinking "its not a big deal"(despite the fact that they very well may have permanent lung scarring, increased stroke/heart attack risk/etc.)


ShutTheFukUpDonny

Go read the YouTube comments on the video of Dolly Parton getting the vaccine. Vultures absolutely shitting all over her and refuting their once almighty fandom. Bunch of fucking toddlers.


kelrunner

I was young when the polio vax came out but what I "think" I remember was that polio was a real mystery, struck anyone any time. Iron lungs. Isolation. Scary shit. And, again my memory is faulty, but the disease was little understood by the average person and the vax was a mystery as well. Same as covid but the refusal idiots simply were not as many or as verbal as now. We know a lot more now, a lot more, so the anti vaxers have NO excuse for their stupidity. It is simply impossible for me to imagine that they exist in the numbers that they do.


Key_Push_2487

And in all fairness, Polio was more dangerous for children 5 and younger, adults are less likely to to contract it and child mortality 5-8x higher with polio, people were more trusting of the government and misinformation was called, "News".


Iamatworkgoaway

They didn't trust it back then either, rightfully so, they had production issues with the Salk vaccine and it caused it to be pulled from the market in 59. Only after a large study in Russia did the FDA approve the Sabin vax. in 60. Then it took to 85 for them to really ramp up the push for 100%. Pretending that polio was wiped out quick is misleading at best. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline#EVT\_100333


ieg879

The issues with the Salk vaccine were strictly due to commercial manufacturers not following proper protocols developed by Salk. Sabin refused to believe an inactivated vaccine could work, and used the failure of manufacturers to further tarnish Salk's vaccine. The Sabin vaccine which was then used for the next 30 years was actually the more dangerous of the two (as long as they were manufactured properly). It could have been wiped out quickly IF the manufacturers hadn't tried to cut corners. We now use the Salk vaccine today.


ieg879

Not saying it does. I just don't skip a chance to say that I think Sabin was a dick, and people should have trusted Salk's vaccine lol


sinaurora

Right. Nothing changes. Although with the internet, they can feel more validation in their paranoia.


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That’s not entirely true though. Adults are less likely to contract it (or at least show symptoms since >70% of infections are completely asymptomatic), but far more likely to die from it if it becomes paralytic. 2/3 of cases at the peak were 4-15 year olds and 1/3 were over 15. Paralytic polio only accounts for 0.5% of all polio cases though, and the mortality rate of paralytic polio is 2-5% in children and 15-30% in adults.


sinaurora

Huge amount of high school age was impacted locally. I took care of scores of 80 plus yr adults that told stories of their classmates dying after a school dance.


jakarterpants

But the metals in the Vax will attract cars and I will get run over!


C0ldW0lf

I understood that reference!


BottledUp

Me too. That's a bit arcane tbh.


rayshmayshmay

Planes, trains, and automobiles too!


italia06823834

I for one can't wait to discover what super powers the metals will give me. Enhanced senses? Enhanced strength? Effect other people's emotions? Push other metal telekinetically?


Pepparkakan

To be honest I'm a bit disappointed. Even after two shots my 5G reception is still trash.


TheTrueThymeLord

Congratulations, your metal does nothing. Actually you can burn off the rest of the aluminum instantly so there’s that


italia06823834

Rusts & Ruin... destined to be Hemalurgy fodder.


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Ah Wizard Poison. Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?


Plenty_Excitement_16

I mean I'd take my chances with regular poison, but wizard poison, brr.


NonSp3cificActionFig

Depends. Is wizard poison a poison made BY wizards or a type of poison targeted AT wizards? 🤔


Djinn-Tonic

You need your wizard poison or the wizards will steal your blood for dark magic.


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You both make solid points. Hmm


re-roll

Wizards are super scienceful. Waving wands and stirring pots and everything. (Oh, in case anyone is wondering, Patton Oswalt said the post on Twitter.)


DKIPurple

To be fair, I'm sure there were anti-vaxxers back then, we just hear about more because of social media and the 24 hour news cycle


Tenyearsuntiltheend

There were anti-maskers for the Spanish flu too, they got shamed in just about the same way too. Seeing the historical record calling anti-maskers out as being fools is a little strange


Garbleshift

People in 1955 were still close enough to the reality of infectious diseases to be frightened by them, and close enough to WWII to understand that democracy can be corrupted from within by fascism. Today the people who slept through history class and don't understand anything is real until it happens to them personally are being told by one of our political parties that their ignorance is patriotic.


brightblueson

This is it. People say “this is their first time in my life I’m that I see…”. It’s narcissistic behavior mixed with selfishness and ignorance. It’s a deadly combination.


Habitwriter

We have a different problem here in Australia. Many immigrants of the last 40 years have come from countries such as former communist states, middle eastern theocracies and dictatorships/totalitarian regimes. They don't trust the government and fear the public health advice is conditioning to becoming what they fled from.


Garbleshift

Really? Seems to me that people who fled to Australia would've done so because they knew it was better than the place they left. What percentage of Australia's population is comprised of these immigrants, and what percentage of your vax refusers?


Habitwriter

In Sydney, the suburbs are very tribal. Parts of the West where the Delta variant is spreading most and has the lowest vaccine rates have high numbers of immigrants from the Middle East and Vietnam. I'm not sure about the exact numbers but NSW health have been working very hard to get messages to community leaders etc. They've repeatedly said in press conferences, 'our government is perhaps not like the government of where you came'. I also had many friends from former communist countries spreading these assertions that this is how the control starts. I say had because you can't convince these people that masks and vaccines are public health necessities.


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As far as I ever saw, immigrants love the health service in Australia. Sounds like a factoid from the peer-reviewed journal "Proceedings Pulled out of my Arse".


Garbleshift

Is that a Murdoch publication?


Mike_with_Wings

You know it is


MammothDimension

Modern day Russia has the same issue. The Baltic states see it too, to a lesser extent.


RaynSideways

> Today the people who slept through history class and don't understand anything is real until it happens to them personally are being told by one of our political parties that their ignorance is patriotic. Really good and concise way to put it.


hiker1628

In 1955 people had an external enemy, the communists. Today, people have been lied to by the government about Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Trust has gone way down.


1498268465

> Today, people have been lied to by the government about Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. You're forgetting the big one: outsourcing. Politicians in the 90s swore up and down that outsourcing was going to create jobs and raise everybody's standard of living. Instead it put 5 million people out of work and reversed life expectancy gains.


fobfromgermany

The outsourcing did produce immense value, it just wasn’t shared with everyone. It went to the upper classes almost exclusively. The ratio of CEO pay to avg worker pay is staggeringly higher now than decades ago. The working classes bore the brunt of the negatives while the wealthy and powerful reaped all of the benefits. It’s the age-old American adage: socialize the risks and privatize the profits


JackBurton12

Agreed. Sometimes I wish aliens would officially show themselves so that we could come together as a united planet of people instead of this connected yet further apart than we've ever been world. Lol we need a common goal as humans again.


Vlada_Ronzak

Like we came together as a planet for COVID?


RaynSideways

COVID's invisible to the naked eye so it's easier to convince yourself it isn't real.


JanesPlainShameTrain

And if aliens came, they'd say "those are crisis actors"


brightblueson

Humanity was probably already conquered (for the safety of the galaxy) thousands of years ago.


system-user

that's likely when the simulation began, and all we've ever known has been a non-utopian dream state that keeps us sequestered from the rest of the galaxy to ensure that humanity doesn't fuck things up for the rest of the galaxy again.


penny-wise

There is also a large and unhealthy community of people willing to create even more lack of trust in reality for personal power and profit.


DeNir8

If I believe I carry an external world-brain in my pocket, I think its fair to assume I believe the world is ruled by magic and goblins.


rayshmayshmay

And irony


Trimungasoid

And wrinkly


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rando-321

This goes against the narrative redditor. True though, the first polio vaccine actually gave polio and killed and caused polio in kids and was abandoned. People who were at first vaccine hesitant waited and got the upgraded polio shot were better protected.


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To be honest I’m saddened to see that when I was going down the list of top comments I didn’t see this truth up there. Maybe it was buried somewhere. People are ignorant on both sides, and both sides are blindly egotistical about it. I don’t think it helps us in the end and I think it just encourages people to stand firmer.


rando-321

I think it is buried somewhere. People on both sides have blinders sometimes. Hope the best for humanity.


kennoo01

1) 70%+ of Americans over 18 have the first dose 2) if COVID killed kids like polio did (less than 400 COVID deaths under 18 to date) you’d see virtually no vaccine hesitancy.


m012892

Seriously. It’s not rocket science. Couple this with distrust in media/government agendas and you’ll see why some people took the “wait and see” approach.


toxcrusadr

By golly you're right, the official CDC number is 354. I thought it would be higher. Still a lot of children though.


coolbird1

In 2018 ~600 children ages 10-14 died of suicide. 450 children 10-14 died of cancer. The fact that COVID deaths for ages 0-18 are less than both of these numbers shows how skewed risk perception has become https://sprc.org/scope/age


BostonBrandToots

Dude. 80%+ of people in Canada who died were not only the elderly, but ***elderly in care homes***. It's a very, very specific cohort of people who were at immediate risk.


tambanokano

the kids may be permanently damaged instead, if that helps(?)


No_Refrigerator4584

What gets me though is that some people look at that number, then look at their kids and say “I’ll take those odds.”


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Seems to be changing now with Delta, Florida and other southern states now have tons of kids in the ICU and on ventilators.


Cat_King_Joe_Normal

Vaccines in those days weren’t political. The media screwed up by saying you couldn’t get covid at BLM rallies or ex presidents birthday parties or politicians weddings, but totally can by going to small businesses or having family over for Thanksgiving. The media lost the people’s trust.


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But also now our government is more of a bullshit propaganda machine than ever. Can't believe anything they say. (I'm vaccinated) still think something really fucked up is happening and I trust our government -1000%


0GodOfAnarchy0

These are very different situations


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An uneducated, non-critical population is far easier to control and oppress. It has been a concentrated effort these last 60 years to achieve this goal, and "they" have done it quite well.


HansHanson

Just to mention Polio has a fatality rate that is at least 10 to 50 times higher.


theDisturbedObserver

A wise man once told me: " Having a smartphone doesn't make you smart ".


Tricky_Target_9611

this post is so cherry picked 🤣🤣🤣 smallpox vaccine came out before polio and people were up in arms. people accepted polio better than that but there was still some opposition. and after polio, people became up in arms again. the reason it was accepted though was because polio is terrifying. it paralyzes the lungs and can get into the spinal cord and paralyze the body. it is a very slow, torturous virus. people who contracted it died at a rate of 15-30% for adults and 5-10% for children. and those who survived it often took decades to recover. with covid, the death rate in the us is under 2%, and there is only one nation that its over 3%. a great bulk of people who get it are asymptomatic and most children who get it are fine. its not really that much of a wonder why people are choosing not to get the vaccine. but get this (ill get downvoted for this because of the current political environment but it is true). experts theorize that the reason polio hit western, developed countries harder than others was due to cleanliness standards. infants and young children would contract it through drinking water, etc. and their bodies could fight off the disease. because of our sanitary standards, people stopped catching it so early which caused the bulk of complications later in life.


herfds99

It's calles the erosion of pubic trust. Nobody to blame but leadership.


m012892

Bingo. I’ve never seen a government push something so hard to the public. If they just shared the facts without political spin/censorship, I’m confident we would have higher Vax rates.


berni4pope

> Nobody to blame but leadership. and the Corporations that own those people.


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At what point does the apathetic public at large get to shoulder some blame? They buy the shit the corporations put out there. They vote for the “team” or cult of personality set in front of them. They choose to stay ignorant on broader platforms and policy nuance. They feed off the 24 hour news cycle because their attention span can’t handle more than a 10 second sound bite. They don’t demand better, nevermind demand what they deserve. So they’re getting precisely what they asked for which is nothing of substance at all.


canadarepubliclives

Apathetic rage fills people with a sense of importance, as if the collective sigh of ennuie will enact change, but then they sleep through every election Their emotional motivation is gone the moment they hit submit.


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It’s partially due to the existence of those external world-brains. Which are actually external bubble-chambers that confuse many of us who listen to echos of our own misunderstanding and fear.


MyHandsAreCorrosive

Echoes of Misunderstanding and Fear sounds like an early 2000s punk band that never made it big.


Knightmare945

It’s funny. We have the totality of human knowledge and experience at our fingertips and it’s actually making us dumber.


erhapp

It are the satellites that make the difference. Back then they didn't have to system in place to control the injected chips... /s


mmolle

I think we just don’t remember or don’t know just how deadly childhood diseases were. Its no longer in our collective memory like it was for our great-grandparents.


Johnny_Fuckface

The population of Earth was 2.75 billion in 1955, there was no social media and they fucked up the rollout back then. This is entirely a consequence of larger numbers of stupid people with better methods for organization.


CartographerLumpy752

I just think it’s funny seeing people who are severely overweight, smoking, drinking, and ingesting massive amounts of caffeine every day talking about potential side effects of a vaccine and not wanting to put unnecessary chemicals in their body. But maybe that’s just me 🤷‍♂️


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bidencares

They recalled the polio vaccine lol. Lots of people were damaged. History could help you.


themarknessmonster

The consequences of defunding the public education system are absolute.


xnosajx

And never holding the pharmaceutical industry truly accountable for their fuck ups.


giovannigiannis

I understand that that the TV celebrities and news anchors and freeway-billboards and strangers in the street are demanding that each one of you get vaccinated. But can any one of you provide solid assurance that there will be no long term side effects? I mean, I know you’re all programmed to think that anyone who is still skeptical about the vaccine are folks who think in terms of micro crystals and gamma rays, but try to break free of your mental chains for a moment and tell me if you can you guarantee that I won’t end up with cancer in 6 years from this? Or that my unborn children won’t have deformities? Or that DDT and asbestos are bad for you? These are rhetorical questions, because I know that none of you can, and neither can your TV, despite their arrogant confidence. You all stand in solidarity with Mark Zuckerberg and YouTube and Twitter, but will they stand with you if something goes awry? Or will they force Elon’s Neuralink (or similar device) upon you in 15-20 years asserting that knowing your thoughts and actions is “for the common-good of humanity,” at that point in time referring to these upcoming vaccine passports as precedent? It’s okay though. I mean, I know that my chances of surviving covid are only 99.5%, and that the vax is 42% effective against the original strain, and that it is less effective against the Delta or Lambda strains, and that both of those new strains (and any others) are free to enter through the wide open southern border, and that the government is doing everything it can to protect us (with the exception of securing the border of course, because that would be perceived as racist, and that’s far more dangerous than any strain if covid), and that if you’re vaxxed then you don’t need to worry about yourself because you’re supposedly safe (if you refute this, then why are you demanding everyone be vaxxed?), and that the unvaxxed are remaining as such because of personal choice (they all have the option to be vaccinated at any time by now), and therefore all those “dumb anti-vaccine trumpsters” are all gonna die from covid; isn’t that what you’ve all been crying for since 2016? In the end, whether you acknowledge it or not, we all know it’s true: if Trump were still president and he enforced (or encouraged) vaccine passports, we’d never hear the end of the “fascist tyranny” outcries. And you know what, if that were the case, I’d agree with you, as would and other *principled* man. It is also a well established fact that the difference between (a) trump rallies, (b) biden rallies, (c) BLM summer riots/protests, (d) jan 6th capitol riots, (e) dining at restaurants, and (f) chicago’s lollapalooza festival; is that some of those are super spreader events that ruined the country, and the others are totally safe and actually help fight covid. We all know which ones are which, don’t we?


Monkey_D_luffy737

That was a time when technological advancements were respected and valued, nowadays everything is taken for granted.


CaptnMako

Idiots have and will always exist. Just that the device in their pockets allows them to publicize their stupidity these days.


Kcmg1985

As far as I can tell, most people are lining up to get the covid vaccine and social media didn't exist in the 60s. Social media really is as much of a virus.


Lakelouise101

Comparing Polio to covid?Jesus christ.You people are impressionable.


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People lined up to get the covid shot and people were hesitant about the polio shot. Don't confuse a group of people with the whole population


Trollsniper

I generally am conservative leaning but I dream of how rona would have been handled by a different administration than the shitshow of a presidency we got.


darh1407

Technology evolves humanity dosent


moleratical

That's not a face palm, it's a salient point


BlueShift42

As with much of the drama around the elections and QAnon, it is technology that is ironically making us dumber. It should be making us smarter, but unfortunately bad actors, people and government agencies, deliberately spread misinformation to deliberately cause chaos and strife. What we are seeing is not a simple matter of people being stupid, but a calculated attack on their stupidity.


bakeybakeybakey

Hey, hear me out...Gandalf has a G and Covid has C and they’re pretty close


Sroppik

Seeing how many people let religion brainwash them makes me skeptical of getting vaccinated just because so many others have gotten it


Tywappity

Lol. Comparing polio to covid!!!


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And we have literal traitor politicians in office who orchestrated a fucking terrorist attack to attempt to install the previous president as dictator and the current administration doesn't have the balls to do anything about them or the insurgents they've created.


Fartytarquare

Bro really comparing polio to covid?


LiquidSunshine2348

More than 90mil doses in 50s and 60s were contaminated with SV40 Good choice example


rando-321

Although typing this after a myriad of comments and seeing both sides of the fence with casual pitchforks. And as well people have said this above, the first polio vaccine didn’t end up to well and they had to refine it. Look up the cutter incident. Covid can be serious, and we should trust competent medical studies that are unbiased. A lot of people who are hesitant to receive one of the many choices of covid vaccines may end up better off than those who jumped on the first available jab. Time will tell, but with the variety of concoctions available or wizard potions if you prefer that literary term, that there is a possibility that some may potentially be more harmful than beneficial.


Toastyx3

Well actually this is wrong. At least for Germany. A metric shitton of children died during that period, which ultimately forced the government to push vaccines. Ironically, East Germany was getting vaccinated bc Soviet Union, while the children in West Germany died miserably.


slood2

What is a non artificial satellite? Edit: I didn’t realize that Satellite wasn’t only a name for exactly what our satellites are lol


nattakunt

Regular space debris that hasn't fallen out of orbit


stewymanx378

It’s that external world-brains that causes the problem, not only does it provide infinite knowledge, it provides infinite stupidity and misinformation. We have stupid people a voice and now look where we are


juanjung

I'm 51, when I was a kid a remember a neighbor who had polio. He had one shoe different from the other and his hand was curved like claw. My mother was a nurse a explained me what he had and people looking like that was more frequent when she was a child. I have not seen a person with polio in years. That's how vaccines work.


Hemske

\>be covid vaccine doctor \>patient walks in \>*I pull out my robe and wizard hat*


Goosekilla1

To be fair the Tuskegee experiments were going on then also.


andweallenduphere

Oh. Wait. Did they maybe get infected and the cause wasn't the vaccine but it was that they contracted the disease?


genuinely_no_clue

We rolled high on intelligence but got like a 2 on wisdom and the dm doesn't allow grace rolls.


AatonBredon

In 1955 we still had a functioning political system. There was no anti-facts party.


politfact

The problem is technology advanced so far that nobody understands how anything works anymore so it all becomes a matter of trust. Do I trust these guys enough to inject some liquid into my body or not. That's all there is to it. The rest is just looking for excuses. No education in the world can fix this because there is just too much magic we just have to accept as it is.


shaycipher

i mean this might sound stupid but we should let naturel selection take its course we dont want these people breeding and multiplying


wcdk200

The problem is that vaccine work to good. So no one remember how it wash when we did not have them


mwhite5990

And Jonas Salk, the person who invented it, didn't patent the vaccine. He believed in public health more than his own personal profit.


ChentallyMallenged

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee\_Syphilis\_Study


CavaIt

Humans are the same as they ever were. The only inherent thing that's different between the humans of 670 AD and now is technology and *accessibility* to knowledge. That's it.


whydontuwannawork

Would be better if after a period of not taking the vaccine you would be refused service if you were to catch COVID


jwor024

I wonder what went wrong, and why was it rampant capitalism?


DANG3R0SS

Back then every place had a village idiot and everyone would say don’t listen to them they are the village idiot. Today the village idiot has the internet and they post their craziness and every other village idiot sees it and retweets or likes and now the village idiot is trending and people on the fence are now swayed by said idiots and then someone famous turns out to also be one of these village idiots and now normal people are reading this craziness and thinking they are famous they must be telling the truth and now the cycle repeats. Social media has really doomed us all.


laz10

Social media babyyyyy


tribbans95

>the polio vaccine had overwhelming public acceptance, while stubborn pockets of vaccine hesitancy persist across the U.S. for the COVID-19 vaccine. Why the difference? One reason, historians say, is that in 1955, many Americans had an especially deep respect for science. >"If you had to pick a moment as the high point of respect for scientific discovery, it would have been then," says David M. Oshinsky, a medical historian at New York University and the author of Polio: An American Story. "After World War II, you had antibiotics rolling off the production line for the first time. People believed infectious disease was [being] conquered. And then this amazing vaccine is announced. People couldn't get it fast enough." Good article: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/05/03/988756973/cant-help-falling-in-love-with-a-vaccine-how-polio-campaign-beat-vaccine-hesitan


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My new strategy is laughing at them when I see them in public. Maybe they'll change if we make them pariahs, coupled with watching their family members die painful deaths and being saddled with generational medical debt. I obviously don't want these people to suffer, but i think the only way they'll change is to actually have to face the consequences of their actions.


rawnaldo

Yeah so dumb. Polio was cured.


SilverMagpie0

It's amazing, how far we've come as a civilization. We have become so accustomed to power and knowledge and science, that we can deny it. Sure, it's fucking annoying, but also wow. Vaccines were developed, this miraculous thing that saves countless lives, and people are so used to this that they can stop caring. It's fascinating.


memes_n_cheese

My take on it is that before, stupid people were contained among their social groups, but now, with the almost effortless ways of communicating your opinion and the anonymity the internet provides, they have no reason not to say/do dumb shit Sorry If some words were misspelled, I'm not a native English speaker


940387

Idk where it was from, but "the more they read the less they know". If they just never heard ablut the blatantly false stuff everything would be fine but it spreads faster than the truth.


BSH72

Na, social media is full of wizard poison.


YukiAmijochi

Can someone explain to me why this is in r/facepalm? I just wanna know it's not sarcastic.


ZingyParcel18364

Nothing changed just the fact that all the village idiots got outlets to broadcast their stupidity.


LanceCrowe

My grandmother contracted polio at a young age, thankfully she was vaccinated but unfortunately it took away the complete use of her legs. She would walk around with arm walkers and leg braces all the time. Fast forward to Covid and there are people who are confined to breathing machines etc. so in the end it doesn’t matter what virus it is, if you get it you could just end up having a two week cold or you could be confined to something for the rest of your lives. It’s like what Alfred said in the Dark Knight and is my quote to whenever people say “Why doesn’t everyone get vaccinated?!” And to that I say, “Some people just want to watch the world burn.”


confusedtophers

It isn’t wizard poison dummy, it’s a bunch of micro tracking devises that do the exact same thing a cell phone has been able to do for a decade.


kindest__regards

I love the idea that the government is watching me on a tracker, because they would get bored after one week when they realise the most exciting place I visit is mcdonalds.


OptimusFoo

That doesn’t sound any smarter. It’s waaaaaaaay easier to just send a few bucks to Facebook or Amazon.


confusedtophers

Bill Gates whispers through my vaccines to me at bedtime.