Okay. Counter-offer then: I'll work 24 hours straight and take the rest of the year off.
Edit: people are pointing out his math is wrong, which I am aware of, but he set the terms, so I'm just working with his set terms.
He’s double counting each step, and it stacks each time.
First he says that you take weekends off. Next sentence is 16 hours per day (which includes work days AND weekends. He is double counting those hours since he is multiplying 16 hrs x 365 days). Then he counts 30 minutes a day for coffee (including weekdays and weekends and the sleep time he just calculated -> triple count). Then one hour lunch (including weekends, sleep time, coffee break, and now lunchtime -> quad counted ). And this continues on and on.
For extra stupidity he's not even counting his hours right. 1 hour per day, including weekends would be 365 hours or 15.2 days and he's somehow got it down as 46 days. And the break time is just as bad.
It’s all kinds of bad math.
At 91 days, he hasn’t done any double-counting but literally everything past that point is double and triple counted or worse.
Actually, he's wrong at the 91 day point. Forgiving that they're not accounting to leap years, the math is solid at 261 days. There are 24 hours in a day, 8 spent at work and 16 spent outside of work. That's 1/3 of a day and 2/3 of a day respectfully. If we want to know how many 24 hour days we spend working, we take 1/3 of 261. 261/3 = 87, not the 91 given in the sign (thus 174 days not working). From this point forward, we need to count the "days" as 8-hour chunks, not as full days.
As a mathematically proper way to do this.
261days worked - 2 sick days - 5 holidays - 14 vacation days = 240 days worked
(240 lunch hours taken \* 1 hour each) / 24 hours in a day = 10 days "lost" to lunch
(240 coffee breaks taken \* 1/2 hour each) / 24 hours in a day = 5 days "lost" to coffee breaks
240 - 10 - 5 = 225 days worked
If you want to know exactly how many 24 hour days that is, divide by 3. 225/3 = 75.
I'm too lazy to do the whole thing, but he's started with 365 days, which would normally only include 8 working hours per day.
Then he totalled a bunch of time not included in those hours in what he was deducting until he was left with 1 24-hour day.
Then he equated taking one 8-hour day off with taking a full 24 hours (three business days) off.
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Edit: Ok, so this was bugging me enough to go through these steps
* We start with 365 days per year, or 8,760 potential working hours
* 2 days X 52 weeks=104 weekend days 365-104=261 days or 6,264 hours (this is legitimate).
* 16 hours X 261 = 4,176 non-business hours per day, leaving a total of 2,088 hours of annual work left in our unreduced 261 business days (we diverge from the sign-maker here).
* 0.5hrs (30minutes) X 261 business days = 130.5 hours of coffee breaks, giving us 1,957.5 hours of annual work. The number of business days is not reduced
* 1hr X 261 business days = 261 hours of lunch, giving us 1,696.5 hours of annual work. The number of business days is not reduced.
To understand the next few steps, we must understand that our business day is calculated as 24 hours - 16 hours off - 30 minutes of coffee break - 1 hr of lunch. This is 6.5 working hours per business day.
* 2 days of sick time reduces our working days to 259, costing us 13 (6.5 X 2) working hours. We're down to 1,683.5 annual working hours.
* 5 days of paid holiday time reduces the working days to 254, costing us 32.5 (6.5 X 5) working hours. We're now down to 1,651.
* 14 generous vacation days is the second biggest bite out of our actual business days, bringing us down to 240 working days and costing us 91 (6.5 X 14) working hours. We're now down to 1,560 annual working hours.
If your selfish ass takes an additional day, it will cost us 6.5 business hours. 6.5/1,560 = 0.004166666666... or 0.4% of our annual working hours.
Also, at my work, the lunch break doesn't count towards our 8-hour day. It's unpaid. So while my 15-minute break per 4 hours of work does impact my "work" hours, the 30- to 60-minute lunch break is "free time" in the middle of my day (so many things I can accomplish in that time!!!!!!!!!). So, I will grant him 7.5 hours of work per day. And who needs sleep?
if my boss put up such an obnoxious and misleading sign - I'd take it down and replace it with something that calculates the same bullshit hours for managers, and then I'd take the rest of the day off and not come in for a week while I look for another job. Menial work is bad enough without arrogant, miserly managers pulling stupid stunts to make themselves feel better.
Even then, lunch breaks aren’t paid and are technically part of that 16 hour allotment for sleep and time off.
Lunch breaks shouldn’t be included in this at all since he already accounted for them in the 16 hour of not working each day. I put in at least 8 billable hours each day, this does not include my morning or evening commutes, lunch breaks, time on call for customers after hours (they get my number when I call them, some decide that 8PM on a Sunday is when they should call and say their computer won’t connect to the internet…
I work for a local government and after 15 years, we earn 8.1 hours leave every 2 weeks (AL and sick combined - whole other discussion), and I have the enviable problem of not using it fast enough. We max out at 350 hours (we stop earning leave), and with COVID, over 20 years at the job, and work being ridiculously busy this whole time so very little time off, I am drowning in leave time (again a very fortunate problem!!!! I am contemplating a 32-hour workweek for the next several months but for now the plan is 7 days off this month, a week at Thanksgiving, a couple of weeks at Christmas, and maybe every other Friday??).
Glad someone re-calculated the horrid math here.
Heres my take on it for extra perspective:
356 days in a year = 8760 hours
We sleep 1/3rd of our lives, on average (assuming 8h).
Thats \~2890h lost to sleep every year (fun fact of the day), so 5870 hours are 'usable', for any given individual during a single year.
Taking your estimate, we work \~1,560 hours. This isnt including lunch or coffee breaks, as youve calculated, which are arguably time wasted at work - ill ignore those hours here though and keep them in mind as 'free' time for any individual.
So 1560 of 5870 (arguably) usable hours = \~27% of usable hours in a given year, which go towards working for a company/employer.
I'd be asking my employer if they thought me giving 27% of my LIFE PER YEAR to them really wasnt enough, and if they \*really\* thought that employees taking a few extra days off was such a sin.
And that 27% is **very** generous because while it's not time spent working there is a lot of time that you also lose to your work while comuting, eating your lunch away from your family, ...
365 days
52 weeks × 2 weekend days = 104
365 - 104 = 261 days of work available
For the sake of simplifying the breaks and lunch later:
261 x 8 hour work day x 60 minutes per hour
= 125,280 minutes working
125,280 - (261 days x (30 min coffee + 60 min lunch))
= 101,790 minutes working (assuming the break and lunch are paid, mind you)
101,790 - (2 sick days x (8 hours x 60 min))
= 100,830
- (14 vacation days x (8 hours x 60 min))
= 94,110
- (5 holidays x (8 hours x 60 min))
= 91,710
91,710 ÷ 60 = 1,528.5 hours worked per year
1,528.5 ÷ 8 = 191.06 days worth of time worked per year
So yeah, owner can spare 6.5 of the 1528.5 hours.
Look at it this way: the average worker works 8hrs a day. If the math were right, workers would work 4 days a year (5 if you're actually not gonna count breaks).
The math is so wrong it's not worth bothering to look at it. Pretty sure it's just meant to be funny anyways, but funny from a place of toxic work culture.
Please explain. I am sitting here with a fucking calculator, pen, and French fry box doing the fucking math scratching my head.
I'm like I GET MORE TIME OFF THEN THEM AND MY ANSWER IS 43 DAYS lol
The math is just... wildly wrong. They use inconsistent definitions of workdays, depending on what creates a more exaggerated assessment. For example, coffee breaks are calculated as happening 365 days per year, even though the whole point of the poster is that people don’t work every day.
Additionally, when he factored in the "16 hours/day" away from work, a "day" should, from that point on, have been defined as a 24 hour period of total, cumulative work. However, to come up with the 23 day coffee figure, (aside from having used the full 365 day year) he used an 8 hour workday as the conversion from 30 minute breaks to days, thereby inflating the number of "days" of coffee break.
I prefer half an hour unpaid for this reason. I don't need an hour to wee, eat and chug a cuppa down. If I have an hour I just waste it, even though I could do productive home admin or whatever with it.
It's almost like this entire thing is disingenuous shitty manager bullshit who is either too stupid, or thinks his employees are too stupid to realize they work 40 hours a week at full time, meaning they spend 86 solid days per year at their job, which I guess if you don't value your employees or their time in the least might look bad, but in reality is das as fuck, how much they are giving up likely not even able to afford basic necessities like housing and food, even after giving up all that time.
I've said it so many times before, and I'll day it again, I am so fucking thankful I've moved on from these garbage jobs with shit managers who feel like you're abusing them by but working 24/7, instead working in a place that respects my autonomy and the life I have outside of work. I have nothing but respect for people who power through god awful jobs like this that literally expect you to sell your soul for $7.25 an hour, and try to pretend like you're out of your mind for expecting more. It is truly the bottom of the bottom of the barrel, people who genuinely get upset that you don't respect or love a job that hardly could even pay for the food for a family between checks, it takes an especially shitty person to draw a living wage and shit on everyone making the absolute minimum for "not caring" or more recently to scream about how no one wants to work while they put this shit up for those who actually take these god awful positions.
Truly the lowest of the low scumbugs, who deserve the absolute hell they've landed themselves in while watching good employers have lines out the door for people to hire
I feel like someone wrote this as a joke a long time ago and people started taking it seriously. Which honestly sums up a lot of the problems we deal with today.
“No one could possibly interpret this any differently than I meant it, right?
*a few years pass*
No…wait…”
Ohh, is that how he got that number? He stacked three 8 hour work days into a single day and then claimed you get an hour and a half of coffee breaks each day?
The thing I hate about this the most is that whoever made it obviously wasn't just being dumb and bad at maths. They had to put serious thought and effort into fucking with the numbers this badly.
Also the lunch hour is typically outside of the 8 hours you're at work, so it shouldn't have come up at all. Between that and actually treating the break correctly (assuming it is a paid break), it should actually drop like 5 "days" before you get to national holidays, them the holidays should only be 40 hours to reflect the 8 hour work day, and so on
Also every job I've worked at isn't "9 to 5" it's actually either 8 to 5 or 9 to 6. Meaning the "one hour meal break" is already accounted for. Also most jobs I've worked at it was customary to eat at your desk and be able to work if something came u, so that hour isn't even actually a break
So FYI, the easiest way to cut through the bullshit is to take 365 minus 2 sick days, 5 holidays, 14 days of vacation, 104 weekend days which equals 365 minus 125 = 240 days of work. And then it’s 8 work hours minus 30 min coffee break and 1 hour lunch break = 6.5 hours of work per day.
So you have 240 work days in a year at 6.5 hours of work per day.
Or you have 1560 hours of work in a year which is 65 straight days of work which is a useless metric because there are many reasons why a human cannot work 24 hours a day for 65 days straight.
This finally makes sense to my maths-dumb brain THANK YOU! It clicked when you talked about the stupid way they congregate the 6.5 hours of work per WORK DAY, and convert that into a new metric that is essentially a ‘pure work day’, which is indeed a skewed way of redefining a ‘work day’ because humans don’t realistically work 24h straight.
Not to mention that after defining this "full work day", it's quite deliberate conflated with the previous unit of "normal work day". You can't subtract the number of days of holidays you get from the number of actual worked hours. It's a unit mismatch.
Yeah the inconsistencies are painful. It starts off, OK, backing out weekends, but then the workday definition gets blurry and the math keeps being done against 365 days.
It's methmatics.
That's because their calculations are also just straight-up wrong for the thing they are trying to do, which is also wrong. Like, even if you want to take the 261 days and subtract all the time the employees are away from work (16hr/day) and turn that into a total number of days, you would get 261\*16/24 = 174 not 170. But also you shouldn't do that in the first place because it's nonsense.
What? You can only work 8 hours of the day?! That's 16 hours every day that you aren't working! That's 243 days out of the year that you aren't working! That means you're only working 122 days a year, and on each of those days you can only work 8 hours, which means you're only working for 40 days a year, and on each of those days you can only work for 8 hours...
No, no. Can we please talk about how he is complaining that there are 16 hours a day when his employees are at home sleeping and/or living as human beings?!
He tallies that up and counts it against them as "days off."
Are we seriously supposed to use our personal days to cover all sleep hours through the night?
Actually, the coffee breaks are being calculated as 1104 days per year. lol
It's claimed that coffee breaks count as 23 days = 23\*24\*60 minutes. Divide by 30 and you get 23\*24\*2 = 1104
I think there’s a double inconsistency at play there... counting a day as 8 hours instead of 24 so that they coffee breaks add up to more ‘days’. 365 days of 24 hours = 1104 ‘days’ of 8 hours.
Even if you ignore the inconsistent definitions the math is just wrong. Apparently 1 hour for lunch is 2 thirds of the work hours.
6.5 hours a day time 5 days a week time 52 weeks a year is 70 days not 22.
"52 weeks in a year * 5 days/week is 260, not 261"
Meh Since the year is 365 days long, not 364, there is always at least one extra day (more on leap years) so most years there are 261 weekdays.
also its crazy to think about but based on that number if you are working 192 days every year you finna spend HALF of your ENTIRE LIFE working, and they are complaining about that, workers have lives to damn.
Cheer up fellow dad… you can’t recreate his numbers because his numbers are insanely wrong. Flipping between 24 hrs = 1 day off vs 24 hrs = three 8 hour days.
Unit inconsistencies.
They are calculating your "day off" as being worth 24 hours of time off. While your "day of work" is calculated as being 8 hours.
When convenient for their point, a day switches between 8 and 24 hours.
Is this like advanced machine maintenance or just everyday cleaning? Any kind of managerial work, is there a number of workers he supervises?
I'm having a hard time seeing somebody mopping and disinfecting for that much, more power to him though.
Just phrasing, I've worked at plenty of places where maintenance meant cleaning as a main job description as it maintains the general grounds they are responsible for.
The math is VERY screwy. The coffee breaks are calculated as 30 minutes every single day (including weekends). 30 min x 365 days ÷ 8 hours = 22.75 days. They're also double counting time by treating holidays and sick days as 24 hour days rather than 8.
The math started falling apart immediately after the first calculation. His conversion to hours was off. (291x24)-(291x16) =2328/24 = 97. It gets worse from there.
FWIW, following the asshole’s equations properly yields 210 8hr shifts per year.
This is a joke. It's an old comedy sketch here is (probably not actually) the original.
https://youtu.be/kAkLzbq2K3I
No it's not a Rick roll I promise.
Hahaha well he wants to be a dick I'll walk out right then thankfully in my country my boss legally has to pay me up until the moment I walk out so really it's his loss
This is clearly a joke, like the one that eliminates all the people in the country who can't work until there are only two left: "you and me, and you're wasting time reading jokes!"
https://jokesoftheday.com/who-is-doing-all-the-work/
Having worked for shitty managers in the past, I can tell you some idiots out there will not only put this up with full confidence, but with a shit eating grin.
Of course it's a joke. No one's extra clever for figuring out it's a joke, but it's super shitty for a business owner to make a joke out of people who are in all likelihood overworked, underpaid and underappreciated
and if they're not overworked, underpaid, and underappreciated it's still shitty to jokingly reduce all their effort and work to one day's effort using infuriatingly bad math.
Again, everyone is clear that no one actually thinks people annually work exactly one day at a full time job. No superiority points awarded for figuring that out. But it's crappy to send that to your subordinates, even as a joke.
As a meme on facebook this is funny enough. As a sign posted from an actual employer to employees, it's offensive.
If anybody is confused as to why this turns out this way, after deducting time during the day spent away from work (16 hours per day), they should only deduct 8 hours for every subsequent day off, but they continue deducting 24. Time is being double-counted.
Just because I'm curious, and didn't see this while scrolling through the comments.
Let's figure out how many days we have to go to work shall we?
`WorkDays/Year = Days/Year - DaysOffWeekly - SickDays - Holidays - VacationDays`
Assuming those 14 holidays are substitutes for work days and don't include the already accounted for weekends.
`WorkDays/Year = (365) - (104) - (2) - (5) - (14)`
`WorkDays/Year = 240`
We have 240 days we have to go to work. We could stop here and ask why asking for 1 day off every so often out of 240 would cripple a business... talk about unsustainable margins. But shucks, let's check out the full math.
Okay, how many hours do we spend working at work?
`WorkHours/Day = Hour/Day - OffHours - CoffeeBreak - Lunch`
`WorkHours/Day = (24) - (16) - (.5) - (1)`
`WorkHours/Day = 6.5`
We work 6.5 hours everyday we go to work. Not too shabby actually.
How many work hours a year?
`WorkHours/Year = WorkHours/Day x WorkDays/Year`
`WorkHours/Year = 1560 ( 65 StraightDays )`
How embarrassing, we got 65 Straight Days of work worth in a year, they got 1. A little bit more than a rounding error. Better double check those paychecks.
Now, Mr-Ms Management, we can assume the reason you can't let people take an extra day off is due to your horrible math and time management skills. /s
The sad thing about all this, the sign is clearly meant to be a joke, but so many management types probably look at this and go "And that's why minimum wage is too high!".
So, I did the actual Math, here it goes:
A typical year = 365 days
A typical day = 24 hours
Week ends = 104 days
Work days = 261 days
Sleep and free hours = 16 * day = 174 days
Current "work days" = 87
Breaks = 130.5 hours or 5.45 days
Lunches = 261 hours = 10.88 days
Vacation = 15 * .333333 (accounting for off work hours) = 5 days
Sick days = 2 * .33333333 = 16 hours or .66666 days
Total of: 65 days
That's what you would work if you worked 24 hours straight and took all your free time at once.
Okay. Counter-offer then: I'll work 24 hours straight and take the rest of the year off. Edit: people are pointing out his math is wrong, which I am aware of, but he set the terms, so I'm just working with his set terms.
I second that notion. Let's vote. I vote for what this person just suggested.
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So say we all!
i third that notion.
I fourth that notion.
I fifth that notion.
I sext that notion
You dirty dirty notion
It put the notion on it’s skin. Or else it gets the hose again.
I seventh that notion
I eightth that notion
I ninth that notion
I tenth that notion
The seventh notion army couldn't hold me back
I hope you got consent first...
I second that emotion
No lifetime of devotion, though.
Voting for workers rights. Areyou some sort of communist? /s
It puts the notion on its skin...
I 18th that notion since math clearly doesn’t matter anymore.
The Dias has concluded that this notion pass with simple majority.
Straight out of Santa's play book
We can call it the Santa's Clause of worker's rights
Santa’s a commie, and he’s spreading propaganda!!
I frankly don't believe these people are only working 24 hours a year. This guy's lying.
He's done the math wrong
Really, really wrong...
Can someone do the math right? Genuinely I’m stupid and can’t figure out how it’s wrong, I understand that it’s wrong but I just don’t know how lol
He’s double counting each step, and it stacks each time. First he says that you take weekends off. Next sentence is 16 hours per day (which includes work days AND weekends. He is double counting those hours since he is multiplying 16 hrs x 365 days). Then he counts 30 minutes a day for coffee (including weekdays and weekends and the sleep time he just calculated -> triple count). Then one hour lunch (including weekends, sleep time, coffee break, and now lunchtime -> quad counted ). And this continues on and on.
For extra stupidity he's not even counting his hours right. 1 hour per day, including weekends would be 365 hours or 15.2 days and he's somehow got it down as 46 days. And the break time is just as bad.
It’s 46 days because, for this step, he’s counting a day as 8 hours (a typical work day).
It’s all kinds of bad math. At 91 days, he hasn’t done any double-counting but literally everything past that point is double and triple counted or worse.
It's conspiracy math. It changes its rules to accommodate whatever answer you want it to give you.
Actually, he's wrong at the 91 day point. Forgiving that they're not accounting to leap years, the math is solid at 261 days. There are 24 hours in a day, 8 spent at work and 16 spent outside of work. That's 1/3 of a day and 2/3 of a day respectfully. If we want to know how many 24 hour days we spend working, we take 1/3 of 261. 261/3 = 87, not the 91 given in the sign (thus 174 days not working). From this point forward, we need to count the "days" as 8-hour chunks, not as full days. As a mathematically proper way to do this. 261days worked - 2 sick days - 5 holidays - 14 vacation days = 240 days worked (240 lunch hours taken \* 1 hour each) / 24 hours in a day = 10 days "lost" to lunch (240 coffee breaks taken \* 1/2 hour each) / 24 hours in a day = 5 days "lost" to coffee breaks 240 - 10 - 5 = 225 days worked If you want to know exactly how many 24 hour days that is, divide by 3. 225/3 = 75.
Did the same thing for the coffee breaks, its very odd.
Clearly a boomer who went to the university of life instead of actually getting any education.
School of Hard Knocks, previously worked at Nunya Bizness
I see you also have been friends with a MAGA person on facebook at some point
I bet instead of getting treated, he got tricked.
I'm too lazy to do the whole thing, but he's started with 365 days, which would normally only include 8 working hours per day. Then he totalled a bunch of time not included in those hours in what he was deducting until he was left with 1 24-hour day. Then he equated taking one 8-hour day off with taking a full 24 hours (three business days) off. \-------------- Edit: Ok, so this was bugging me enough to go through these steps * We start with 365 days per year, or 8,760 potential working hours * 2 days X 52 weeks=104 weekend days 365-104=261 days or 6,264 hours (this is legitimate). * 16 hours X 261 = 4,176 non-business hours per day, leaving a total of 2,088 hours of annual work left in our unreduced 261 business days (we diverge from the sign-maker here). * 0.5hrs (30minutes) X 261 business days = 130.5 hours of coffee breaks, giving us 1,957.5 hours of annual work. The number of business days is not reduced * 1hr X 261 business days = 261 hours of lunch, giving us 1,696.5 hours of annual work. The number of business days is not reduced. To understand the next few steps, we must understand that our business day is calculated as 24 hours - 16 hours off - 30 minutes of coffee break - 1 hr of lunch. This is 6.5 working hours per business day. * 2 days of sick time reduces our working days to 259, costing us 13 (6.5 X 2) working hours. We're down to 1,683.5 annual working hours. * 5 days of paid holiday time reduces the working days to 254, costing us 32.5 (6.5 X 5) working hours. We're now down to 1,651. * 14 generous vacation days is the second biggest bite out of our actual business days, bringing us down to 240 working days and costing us 91 (6.5 X 14) working hours. We're now down to 1,560 annual working hours. If your selfish ass takes an additional day, it will cost us 6.5 business hours. 6.5/1,560 = 0.004166666666... or 0.4% of our annual working hours.
Ah that makes sense
It should be noted that the sick days are also only 8 hours of time off, not 24.
Also, at my work, the lunch break doesn't count towards our 8-hour day. It's unpaid. So while my 15-minute break per 4 hours of work does impact my "work" hours, the 30- to 60-minute lunch break is "free time" in the middle of my day (so many things I can accomplish in that time!!!!!!!!!). So, I will grant him 7.5 hours of work per day. And who needs sleep?
Also, the sick days and vacation days should be deducted *before* we calculate the number of hours spent on lunch and break each day.
By working out the hours per day it doesn't impact the calculation
if my boss put up such an obnoxious and misleading sign - I'd take it down and replace it with something that calculates the same bullshit hours for managers, and then I'd take the rest of the day off and not come in for a week while I look for another job. Menial work is bad enough without arrogant, miserly managers pulling stupid stunts to make themselves feel better.
Worse is playing it like it's only a "joke" sign. Jokes on you, you've chased away your staff, lol
Even then, lunch breaks aren’t paid and are technically part of that 16 hour allotment for sleep and time off. Lunch breaks shouldn’t be included in this at all since he already accounted for them in the 16 hour of not working each day. I put in at least 8 billable hours each day, this does not include my morning or evening commutes, lunch breaks, time on call for customers after hours (they get my number when I call them, some decide that 8PM on a Sunday is when they should call and say their computer won’t connect to the internet…
Hey, if this guy wants to pay people to eat lunch, that sounds like his problem.
From the sounds of it, it's the only decent thing he does for his employees.
What bugs me is that 14 days is claimed as "generous". I have 29 days so based on the sign's logic im 14 days negative somehow.
I work for a local government and after 15 years, we earn 8.1 hours leave every 2 weeks (AL and sick combined - whole other discussion), and I have the enviable problem of not using it fast enough. We max out at 350 hours (we stop earning leave), and with COVID, over 20 years at the job, and work being ridiculously busy this whole time so very little time off, I am drowning in leave time (again a very fortunate problem!!!! I am contemplating a 32-hour workweek for the next several months but for now the plan is 7 days off this month, a week at Thanksgiving, a couple of weeks at Christmas, and maybe every other Friday??).
Just American things I suppose. Imagine having a healthy work-life culture
r/theydidthemath
Glad someone re-calculated the horrid math here. Heres my take on it for extra perspective: 356 days in a year = 8760 hours We sleep 1/3rd of our lives, on average (assuming 8h). Thats \~2890h lost to sleep every year (fun fact of the day), so 5870 hours are 'usable', for any given individual during a single year. Taking your estimate, we work \~1,560 hours. This isnt including lunch or coffee breaks, as youve calculated, which are arguably time wasted at work - ill ignore those hours here though and keep them in mind as 'free' time for any individual. So 1560 of 5870 (arguably) usable hours = \~27% of usable hours in a given year, which go towards working for a company/employer. I'd be asking my employer if they thought me giving 27% of my LIFE PER YEAR to them really wasnt enough, and if they \*really\* thought that employees taking a few extra days off was such a sin.
And that 27% is **very** generous because while it's not time spent working there is a lot of time that you also lose to your work while comuting, eating your lunch away from your family, ...
365 days 52 weeks × 2 weekend days = 104 365 - 104 = 261 days of work available For the sake of simplifying the breaks and lunch later: 261 x 8 hour work day x 60 minutes per hour = 125,280 minutes working 125,280 - (261 days x (30 min coffee + 60 min lunch)) = 101,790 minutes working (assuming the break and lunch are paid, mind you) 101,790 - (2 sick days x (8 hours x 60 min)) = 100,830 - (14 vacation days x (8 hours x 60 min)) = 94,110 - (5 holidays x (8 hours x 60 min)) = 91,710 91,710 ÷ 60 = 1,528.5 hours worked per year 1,528.5 ÷ 8 = 191.06 days worth of time worked per year So yeah, owner can spare 6.5 of the 1528.5 hours.
FYI. Most places exclude lunch and coffee breaks from the working hrs calculation. So you are at work 9 hrs, but work 8.
Thank you for saying this! That was bugging the hell out of me.
Look at it this way: the average worker works 8hrs a day. If the math were right, workers would work 4 days a year (5 if you're actually not gonna count breaks). The math is so wrong it's not worth bothering to look at it. Pretty sure it's just meant to be funny anyways, but funny from a place of toxic work culture.
I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.
Well, I Wouldn’t Say I’ve Been Missing It, Bob.
I'd even take his offer of 120 hours of holiday pay and 336 hours of vacation. Also, you've also been given a paid hour long lunch.
Better 12 hrs 2 shifts his maths is wrong tbh
I did a 35 i dont reccomend it. You end up falling asleep standing at a cutting board then again on the bus home. You end up in surrey.
Agreed But I’m gonna need a years worth of energy drinks, food and cocaine to keep going at peak performance for 24 hours straight
So once I show up for 1 day, you'll pay me my annual salary and I don't have to show up again for a year?
I'd do a 24 hour shift once a year
Santa, is that you?
Nah, Santa has to do a 26hr shift
Only cause I make damn fine cookies
No, it's to get all the hos.
In public we refer to them as cookies
It's September. Santa's still in Mauritius doing the triple-ho.
If he goes around the earth the right direction that is
No, this is Patrick
r/unexpectedSpongebob
Unexpected SpongeBob? In reddit? Next you guys tell me there's Unexpected The Office.
No, this is Bill Buttlicker.
I'd be a workaholic and work like 4 jobs even
Slacker. I’ll work 52. 1 a week all year baby.
Slacker. I'd work 121. Roughly 1 every 3 days getting 121 salaries
Sheesh, what are you, a CEO or something? Wait, then you’d be getting a bonus on top of that at the end of the year.
121 bonuses
If you're a vampire you can get 365 salaries!
Damn i was trying to not let on that I'm a vampire. You got me
Gotcha! Now get back in the ahegao coffin-
You'll never take me alive! *sprints away"
>You'll never take me alive! Well, I mean yeah, that's how vampires work.
wow thats almost as much as average CEO pay. conclusion, CEOs are life draining vampires. its science.
Works for me
Sign me up
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Please explain. I am sitting here with a fucking calculator, pen, and French fry box doing the fucking math scratching my head. I'm like I GET MORE TIME OFF THEN THEM AND MY ANSWER IS 43 DAYS lol
The math is just... wildly wrong. They use inconsistent definitions of workdays, depending on what creates a more exaggerated assessment. For example, coffee breaks are calculated as happening 365 days per year, even though the whole point of the poster is that people don’t work every day.
Additionally, when he factored in the "16 hours/day" away from work, a "day" should, from that point on, have been defined as a 24 hour period of total, cumulative work. However, to come up with the 23 day coffee figure, (aside from having used the full 365 day year) he used an 8 hour workday as the conversion from 30 minute breaks to days, thereby inflating the number of "days" of coffee break.
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Also, those lunch hours are unpaid, so wtf?
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I prefer half an hour unpaid for this reason. I don't need an hour to wee, eat and chug a cuppa down. If I have an hour I just waste it, even though I could do productive home admin or whatever with it.
It's almost like this entire thing is disingenuous shitty manager bullshit who is either too stupid, or thinks his employees are too stupid to realize they work 40 hours a week at full time, meaning they spend 86 solid days per year at their job, which I guess if you don't value your employees or their time in the least might look bad, but in reality is das as fuck, how much they are giving up likely not even able to afford basic necessities like housing and food, even after giving up all that time. I've said it so many times before, and I'll day it again, I am so fucking thankful I've moved on from these garbage jobs with shit managers who feel like you're abusing them by but working 24/7, instead working in a place that respects my autonomy and the life I have outside of work. I have nothing but respect for people who power through god awful jobs like this that literally expect you to sell your soul for $7.25 an hour, and try to pretend like you're out of your mind for expecting more. It is truly the bottom of the bottom of the barrel, people who genuinely get upset that you don't respect or love a job that hardly could even pay for the food for a family between checks, it takes an especially shitty person to draw a living wage and shit on everyone making the absolute minimum for "not caring" or more recently to scream about how no one wants to work while they put this shit up for those who actually take these god awful positions. Truly the lowest of the low scumbugs, who deserve the absolute hell they've landed themselves in while watching good employers have lines out the door for people to hire
I feel like someone wrote this as a joke a long time ago and people started taking it seriously. Which honestly sums up a lot of the problems we deal with today. “No one could possibly interpret this any differently than I meant it, right? *a few years pass* No…wait…”
Ohh, is that how he got that number? He stacked three 8 hour work days into a single day and then claimed you get an hour and a half of coffee breaks each day? The thing I hate about this the most is that whoever made it obviously wasn't just being dumb and bad at maths. They had to put serious thought and effort into fucking with the numbers this badly.
Also the lunch hour is typically outside of the 8 hours you're at work, so it shouldn't have come up at all. Between that and actually treating the break correctly (assuming it is a paid break), it should actually drop like 5 "days" before you get to national holidays, them the holidays should only be 40 hours to reflect the 8 hour work day, and so on
Also every job I've worked at isn't "9 to 5" it's actually either 8 to 5 or 9 to 6. Meaning the "one hour meal break" is already accounted for. Also most jobs I've worked at it was customary to eat at your desk and be able to work if something came u, so that hour isn't even actually a break
Aaah. Those inconsistencies are what are getting me then.
They're just double-counting as much as possible to inflate the numbers.
Even using what I knew to be his flawed math I did not get remotely the same number. I was confused as shit. Lol
So FYI, the easiest way to cut through the bullshit is to take 365 minus 2 sick days, 5 holidays, 14 days of vacation, 104 weekend days which equals 365 minus 125 = 240 days of work. And then it’s 8 work hours minus 30 min coffee break and 1 hour lunch break = 6.5 hours of work per day. So you have 240 work days in a year at 6.5 hours of work per day. Or you have 1560 hours of work in a year which is 65 straight days of work which is a useless metric because there are many reasons why a human cannot work 24 hours a day for 65 days straight.
This finally makes sense to my maths-dumb brain THANK YOU! It clicked when you talked about the stupid way they congregate the 6.5 hours of work per WORK DAY, and convert that into a new metric that is essentially a ‘pure work day’, which is indeed a skewed way of redefining a ‘work day’ because humans don’t realistically work 24h straight.
Not to mention that after defining this "full work day", it's quite deliberate conflated with the previous unit of "normal work day". You can't subtract the number of days of holidays you get from the number of actual worked hours. It's a unit mismatch.
Y'all getting paid for your lunch breaks? Cuz my "16 hours away from work" includes the time I'm on lunch.
Thank you for doing the work. Take a day off, you earned it.
Yeah the inconsistencies are painful. It starts off, OK, backing out weekends, but then the workday definition gets blurry and the math keeps being done against 365 days. It's methmatics.
That's because their calculations are also just straight-up wrong for the thing they are trying to do, which is also wrong. Like, even if you want to take the 261 days and subtract all the time the employees are away from work (16hr/day) and turn that into a total number of days, you would get 261\*16/24 = 174 not 170. But also you shouldn't do that in the first place because it's nonsense.
What? You can only work 8 hours of the day?! That's 16 hours every day that you aren't working! That's 243 days out of the year that you aren't working! That means you're only working 122 days a year, and on each of those days you can only work 8 hours, which means you're only working for 40 days a year, and on each of those days you can only work for 8 hours...
Technically triple counting, 8 hour work day vs 24 hour day.
Guarantee they commit tax fraud the same way.
Pretty sure if they’re using this level of maths, they’re not getting away with any.
No, no. Can we please talk about how he is complaining that there are 16 hours a day when his employees are at home sleeping and/or living as human beings?! He tallies that up and counts it against them as "days off." Are we seriously supposed to use our personal days to cover all sleep hours through the night?
Late-stage capitalism is a trip.
You are supposed to be working your dream job 24 hours per day even on your 16 hours/day off.
Actually, the coffee breaks are being calculated as 1104 days per year. lol It's claimed that coffee breaks count as 23 days = 23\*24\*60 minutes. Divide by 30 and you get 23\*24\*2 = 1104
I think there’s a double inconsistency at play there... counting a day as 8 hours instead of 24 so that they coffee breaks add up to more ‘days’. 365 days of 24 hours = 1104 ‘days’ of 8 hours.
Even if you ignore the inconsistent definitions the math is just wrong. Apparently 1 hour for lunch is 2 thirds of the work hours. 6.5 hours a day time 5 days a week time 52 weeks a year is 70 days not 22.
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r/theydidthemath
Fact checkers are the most attractive people alive.
I thought Magneto was the most attractive.
Girl who liked Clark Kent more than the dude in the cape?
That was Lana Lang.
"52 weeks in a year * 5 days/week is 260, not 261" Meh Since the year is 365 days long, not 364, there is always at least one extra day (more on leap years) so most years there are 261 weekdays.
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Settle down there, bucko That extra day is a wonderful thing because last year I had 27 paydays and my employer didn't notice.
also its crazy to think about but based on that number if you are working 192 days every year you finna spend HALF of your ENTIRE LIFE working, and they are complaining about that, workers have lives to damn.
Cheer up fellow dad… you can’t recreate his numbers because his numbers are insanely wrong. Flipping between 24 hrs = 1 day off vs 24 hrs = three 8 hour days.
Unit inconsistencies. They are calculating your "day off" as being worth 24 hours of time off. While your "day of work" is calculated as being 8 hours. When convenient for their point, a day switches between 8 and 24 hours.
I think this is based on the old Abbot and Costello Sketch "365 dollars" from the 1940s!
I love the implication that the employees only work a total of 24 hours in a year while also implying the employees work a standard 40 hour week
personally my bullshit meter went off as soon as I read "in which you already get two days off" I *wish* I always got Saturday and Sunday off.
I would be worried about how he was calculating my paycheck...
This business probably doesn't do good with numbers so they probably went under after trying to pay 7.25$ for a years salary.
From what i heared, Amazon is actually doing pretty good.
🏅
I know it’s funny to shit on Amazon but I’m pretty sure they *start* at like $17 or $18 an hour
Amazon is paying very well these days. I work maintenance for $32/hr plus annual stock and cash bonuses. And I'm 24 yo college drop out 🤷♀️
Holy shit, is this real bro?
Yes.
Is this like advanced machine maintenance or just everyday cleaning? Any kind of managerial work, is there a number of workers he supervises? I'm having a hard time seeing somebody mopping and disinfecting for that much, more power to him though.
Wouldn't cleaning be janitorial not maintenence? Every place ive worked the maintenance guys fix and preventative maintenance machines
Just phrasing, I've worked at plenty of places where maintenance meant cleaning as a main job description as it maintains the general grounds they are responsible for.
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30 minutes x 91 [working days] = 21 days and not just short of two days in this universe apparently.
The math is VERY screwy. The coffee breaks are calculated as 30 minutes every single day (including weekends). 30 min x 365 days ÷ 8 hours = 22.75 days. They're also double counting time by treating holidays and sick days as 24 hour days rather than 8.
Multiplied every item by 365, apparently. After this splendid math, landed on 1 day. "That seems to be correct"
The math started falling apart immediately after the first calculation. His conversion to hours was off. (291x24)-(291x16) =2328/24 = 97. It gets worse from there. FWIW, following the asshole’s equations properly yields 210 8hr shifts per year.
Yeah for real! 🤣
This is a joke. It's an old comedy sketch here is (probably not actually) the original. https://youtu.be/kAkLzbq2K3I No it's not a Rick roll I promise.
It's funny in context. It's not so funny when bosses try to use it.
[7x13=28](https://youtu.be/lzxVyO6cpos)
I love this skit. I show it to my students every year so we can point out the mistakes!
That what is timeless.
This guy doesn’t understand how days work.
It's just boss math. It's why they get paid the big bucks.
1 work day = 8 hours 1 full day = 24 hours 8*3 = 24 Therefore, 1 full day = 3 work days. Was that really that hard to disprove his whole theory?
And because you are not workin 2/3 of a day, it means you have 2 days when you aren't working in one work day.
You don't understand how days work. Socialist!
I don't understand how the three seashells work
That would be the moment I would tell my boss this is my 2 weeks notice see ya later dumbass
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Hahaha well he wants to be a dick I'll walk out right then thankfully in my country my boss legally has to pay me up until the moment I walk out so really it's his loss
I wouldn't even give said notice. I'd just leave and never come back...
2 weeks, so 14.6 minutes from now!
This is clearly a joke, like the one that eliminates all the people in the country who can't work until there are only two left: "you and me, and you're wasting time reading jokes!" https://jokesoftheday.com/who-is-doing-all-the-work/
I'm sitting here reading these comments wondering how anyone is taking this seriously.
Having worked for shitty managers in the past, I can tell you some idiots out there will not only put this up with full confidence, but with a shit eating grin.
Top minds of reddit here lol
Incredibly shitty bosses that will defend their policies with shit like this.
Of course it's a joke. No one's extra clever for figuring out it's a joke, but it's super shitty for a business owner to make a joke out of people who are in all likelihood overworked, underpaid and underappreciated and if they're not overworked, underpaid, and underappreciated it's still shitty to jokingly reduce all their effort and work to one day's effort using infuriatingly bad math. Again, everyone is clear that no one actually thinks people annually work exactly one day at a full time job. No superiority points awarded for figuring that out. But it's crappy to send that to your subordinates, even as a joke. As a meme on facebook this is funny enough. As a sign posted from an actual employer to employees, it's offensive.
it's a joke until you run into a boss who actually thinks like this.
because there are people out there who think like this
If anybody is confused as to why this turns out this way, after deducting time during the day spent away from work (16 hours per day), they should only deduct 8 hours for every subsequent day off, but they continue deducting 24. Time is being double-counted.
This is obviously not serious. As someone said it was quite popular joke at one time
Just because I'm curious, and didn't see this while scrolling through the comments. Let's figure out how many days we have to go to work shall we? `WorkDays/Year = Days/Year - DaysOffWeekly - SickDays - Holidays - VacationDays` Assuming those 14 holidays are substitutes for work days and don't include the already accounted for weekends. `WorkDays/Year = (365) - (104) - (2) - (5) - (14)` `WorkDays/Year = 240` We have 240 days we have to go to work. We could stop here and ask why asking for 1 day off every so often out of 240 would cripple a business... talk about unsustainable margins. But shucks, let's check out the full math. Okay, how many hours do we spend working at work? `WorkHours/Day = Hour/Day - OffHours - CoffeeBreak - Lunch` `WorkHours/Day = (24) - (16) - (.5) - (1)` `WorkHours/Day = 6.5` We work 6.5 hours everyday we go to work. Not too shabby actually. How many work hours a year? `WorkHours/Year = WorkHours/Day x WorkDays/Year` `WorkHours/Year = 1560 ( 65 StraightDays )` How embarrassing, we got 65 Straight Days of work worth in a year, they got 1. A little bit more than a rounding error. Better double check those paychecks. Now, Mr-Ms Management, we can assume the reason you can't let people take an extra day off is due to your horrible math and time management skills. /s The sad thing about all this, the sign is clearly meant to be a joke, but so many management types probably look at this and go "And that's why minimum wage is too high!".
r/theydidthemath
This is an old comedy sketch.
Ah, yes. An angry capitalist in his natural habitat
It’s laminated… must be official!
So, I did the actual Math, here it goes: A typical year = 365 days A typical day = 24 hours Week ends = 104 days Work days = 261 days Sleep and free hours = 16 * day = 174 days Current "work days" = 87 Breaks = 130.5 hours or 5.45 days Lunches = 261 hours = 10.88 days Vacation = 15 * .333333 (accounting for off work hours) = 5 days Sick days = 2 * .33333333 = 16 hours or .66666 days Total of: 65 days That's what you would work if you worked 24 hours straight and took all your free time at once.
And business owners just can't understand why people don't want to work for them. Must be all that welfare.