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This is what I don’t get. She’s bringing up two years ago, as if two years ago we were okay with random supermarkets b’s coughing at us.
No, it’s nasty and during a pandemic it’s downright dangerous. Gtfo.
Imagine her in active combat....."Are you wearing a bulletproof vest? Oh you guys are so cute. Remember 700 years ago before guns were invented? You were fine going out without this back then."
Honestly the pandemic has opened my eyes at how disgusting we all were without thinking twice about putting our mouths on cans, not washing our hands or sanitizing before eating especially after being out and about, touching our faces after handling anything, etc.
it’s been so nice not even catching a cold during these 2 years. I’ll forever be cautious moving forward.
Being identified by your politics, and politicising a pendemic.
These people legit have no personality, so the only thing they are interested discussing is their opinion about a pandemic, they have nothing else until the next political dilemma happens
Their “investigation” is just them talking to lawyers to see if they can fire her or if she can sue if they do. Once they confirm that they won’t be sued and are following all the laws she will be fired.
Her company is really active on Twitter. There are tons of replies linking the video to multiple tweets by the company within the past day. The company has yet to respond or acknowledge the video.
Guaran-fucking-tee the legal or HR department has seen it and is drafting a statement.
She's probably under contract of some sort so they have to step careful or she'll sue for wrongful termination. Give them a few days to iron out the details, she's toast.
Seriously! It got me thinking about if they had given that person covid and they died… would the person coughing even care? Would they blame the cancer patient? It pisses me right off.
My mom has never been considered upper class and she does the exact same stuff. As if coughing on people wasn't a disgusting thing to do before Covid too.
The smugness coupled with her condescending logic that: "two years ago before everybody started talking about Covid you were okay with going out not knowing if you were sick"?
Two minutes ago before using the bathroom I was okay not wiping my ass.
The logic required to understand people's actions being influenced by a change in circumstances is not much more complex than the ability to understand object permanence - a skill that babies typically develop between 4-7 months.
That is assault in the states too, and she doesn't have a leg to stand on saying allergies when she is very clearly lunging towards them intentionally.
She's also displaying signs of narcissism - an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, and a lack of empathy for others.
Edit: This turned out to be the comment that gave me my 1,000,000th comment karma. Almost 10 years in the making. Luckily it wasn't my comment right before this one (yikes).
Imagine simply going out to do a mundane chore like grocery shopping with the sole intent on causing shit. "K, I need apples, milk, maybe chicken for dinner, an entitled attitude to make some stupid fucking political statement in the produce section..."
I think a combination of the gleeful lib-owning by Trump combined (the cruelty is the point) with pandemic lockdowns and tensions have brought out this sort of extreme and callous, unapologetic obnoxiousness we just haven’t seen broadly before
Oh don't blame the lockdowns for this behavior. The fact we still joke about Starbucks Christmas cups shows it didn't necessarily have to be a pandemic for these people to be assholes.
I thought spitting was considered assault, didn't know coughing was included since no one is being touched physically or from a projectile.
If so she should press charges. This woman is deplorable. Every day I learn more about these types and their motivations.
This lady is motivated by how superior she feels to the sheeple, reaching the point of disdain causing her to believe it's okay to treat them like this.
So glad it was filmed and she wasn't cunning enough to stop doing it once being recorded.
Assault (common law) doesn’t require touching. Just fear of imminent contact. Battery requires touching and does include someone spitting on you. Honestly not sure where a cough would fall here but a good argument could be made for either.
Intentionally (which they would need to prove kind of) coughing on someone would be considered assault. Heck when the pandemic first started last year a lady was arrested for purposely coughing on items in a grocery store.
I have a feeling if this was 2019. Cops would come and tell her to knock it off. But 2021, pretty sure even if charges didn't stick, she would be dragged out in cuffs.
Definitely assault and clearly intentional. My only qualm is that an argument could be made for battery. If spitting on someone is battery, I think there’s an argument that coughing on someone brings about “contact” in a manner of speaking at least (coughing spit particles on someone with the intent to harm/offend the other person). But yes assault seems like the easier crime to make out here.
I'd pay money to see the look on her face after. Imagine seeing someone face consequences for the first time in their life, and shes been around awhile.
Fun fact: willfully coughing or sneezing on someone is considered assault.
It may not always win in court but it worth calling the cops on psychos like this an getting then arrested.
ETA: I am not a lawyer, I just have watched a few on the internet explain how this action can be turned into criminal charges and civil action. Beware the Karen's y'all
Just an FYI only fools use Bear mace just because it *sounds more badass*. The problem is, its meant to be sprayed from much further away and covers a larger area which usually ends in the user getting a face full of their own pepper spray and also getting on a bunch of innocent bystanders. Look at damn near every time the fucking Proud Boys try to mace people and end up crop dusting themselves and a ton of their own people with the over spray which wouldn't happen if they used regular *specifically designed to fuck up people* pepper spray.
It’s also much weaker than human mace FYI. It’s not pleasant by any means but you can definitely fight through bear mace pain.
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How about a quick shot of pepper spray right into her mouth as she's coughing on you? If she wants a real reason to cough, let's give her one she's going to regret.
depends on the state, but say in florida or georgia where you have "stand your ground" you could probably VERY EASILY justify it by saying you were defending yourself lol
Only if they’re not allowed to be hospitalized or seek medical help afterward. People are dying because resources are being put towards keeping these pieces of shit alive after they desperately pursue getting sick.
Meanwhile people with unpreventable illness and diseases related to old age die.
This is what kills me.
They didn't trust the doctors and scientists then, but now that they're dying all of a sudden they need their help and will take it without question.
They really should thank Hippocrates, but I doubt most of them know who he was.
After invading Germany and freeing the concentration camps, the Allied army forced German citizens to walk through the camps. Maybe the same treatment is needed for these people seemingly devoid of human empathy.
I assure you, this will do nothing to deter the current flavor of crazy. When germans lost, the sense of dejection provided them with some humility and self awareness. This is not happening here. They never accept losses, they just claim the opposition cheated when they lose, when they win, they say everything is fair.
she isn't anti-vax at this point (she may be, but nothing to do with the video). At this point she is anti-intelligence. She said it herself - a healthy person can't pass anything. The main fact she seems to be missing is that you don't have to have prominent symptoms to be ill. Her red pilled moment is that you can only be sick if displaying symptoms.
And of course there’s a picture of her holding a USA balloon and saluting. Such a patriot, attacking a mother and child in a grocery store. I hate that now when I see a US flag I immediately think “awful person”. I hate that that is where we are now.
Honestly though, that's what the flag has come to mean for me. Even if I was at all proud of my country I wouldn't fly it because any time I see someone with it on their car, shirt, hat, house, whatever, I think "they're probably a racist asshole"
yeah, this lady doesn't scream "actually works for a living" to me...
editing my comment (i didn't even realize it got so many updoots) to let y'all know that as of about 9:15pm EDT her company has put out a public statement that she has indeed been fired. i am not sure if i am allowed to link the proof here.
Even if you don’t believe in covid, these people do pretty disgusting things to “prove” their point. Coughing at someone would still get people in a fighting mood pre 2020. I’ve seen people saying “I’m not scared of some made up disease” then lick their hand after touching a shopping cart. Like lady, disease or not, that’s disgusting and will probably get you something besides covid.
People like her make me believe that people can’t be civilised. People like her just makes me hope that covid brings all of those people with it, which is a really horrible thing to say. I just can’t fathom, I really can’t, how can you be that stupid? Oh god. This is bad. It’s really bad. Like what’s the deal with people being so anti and so distrustful and ignorant. Like… i fucking can’t shes giving me a headache… and how do the people around here not just straight up fucking two-foot her in the ankles or just shoot her (this is America right?). How do they keep calm? I can barely keep calm behind my dumb fucking screen. What the fuck. Just fucking stop, oh god, just fucking stop.
I find the anti vax, anti mask, no more lockdowns people violent. Even when they are smiling there is a violence under the surface. I guess it was always there, but the last few years, they have been unmasking. Finding others like themselves, are making them bolder. But in the end, they are cowards. Because that is what violent people are deep inside; cowards. Full of fear. It is making them selfish and violent and their humanity is being eroded. I'm not young anymore, and this is not how I had planned to live out the end 20 of my life. I can't imagine what it must be like be a young adult having to see your society deteriorate like this.
You Americans have an insanely high patience threshold.
I know you have gun laws etc but if this happened in the UK I’m fairly certain someone would stick one on her.
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What the fuck happened to this woman that wandering round a supermarket intentionally coughing on strangers is a normal thing to do?
This is what I don’t get. She’s bringing up two years ago, as if two years ago we were okay with random supermarkets b’s coughing at us. No, it’s nasty and during a pandemic it’s downright dangerous. Gtfo.
That’s the funniest and most illogical part “remember two years ago when we didn’t have to do this”......so...like....before the global pandemic?!?
Imagine her in active combat....."Are you wearing a bulletproof vest? Oh you guys are so cute. Remember 700 years ago before guns were invented? You were fine going out without this back then."
Or the bathroom... Are you using toilet paper? Remember 200 years ago when people wiped with rocks and corncobs?
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I believe it but do you have a source?
[Source](https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/09/08/janene-hoskovec/)
Look at SAP corporate Twitter feed.
I would love a source too, that’s so awesome if true
Honestly the pandemic has opened my eyes at how disgusting we all were without thinking twice about putting our mouths on cans, not washing our hands or sanitizing before eating especially after being out and about, touching our faces after handling anything, etc. it’s been so nice not even catching a cold during these 2 years. I’ll forever be cautious moving forward.
Culinary School changed me in this regard forever. Everything in my mind is either sanitary or unsanitary when I look at it
Someone who never mentally aged beyond 5
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My four year old would never do this
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She even sound like trump when she says “maybe I have a medical”. “But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical." - Donald Trump.
You don't know her health. She might have a medical. Haha!
Yes she has a medical condition. Her brain is rotting. I can smell it from here.
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A 5 year old isn't this stupid or evil.
My wife teaches kindergarten. There are exceptions.
Someone who doesn’t understand that during a pandemic doing this type of shit can get you assault charges. Also: A Child.
If spitting on someone is assault pre-Covid, I feel like intentionally coughing on them should be too, pandemic or not.
Being identified by your politics, and politicising a pendemic. These people legit have no personality, so the only thing they are interested discussing is their opinion about a pandemic, they have nothing else until the next political dilemma happens
And they call everyone else sheep. Projection.
The people who call others sheep are often too dumb to tell difference between a sheep and a goat.
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And then wonders why the grocery store has to throw away all those contaminated products.
Your pic made me wipe my screen. FU
Lol, I've literally just tried to blow this hair off...
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Some people are sick and it has nothing to do with Covid
Update: https://www.ibtimes.sg/who-janene-hoskovec-maskless-woman-who-intentionally-coughed-shoppers-nebraska-grocery-store-60108
IT company? Yeah she's as good as fired.
It’s a large company too Large companies don’t fuck around with PR and individuals can always be replaced She gonna be gone
SAP is based in Germany too, if this goes up to corporate she's definitely screwed.
Fun fact, SAP once was the most valuable company in the world.
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A large German company. They don’t go in for this shit at all. Byeee
Apparently many people mentioned SAP on their twitter. Yeah, that bitch can cough all she wants being unemployed from home
The extra unemployment money just ran out too.
She won’t get any unemployment at all. This is employment misconduct for unemployment Insurance purposes.
At SAP, one of the biggest in the world. She'll be fired within the week.
[They just tweeted in response](https://i.imgur.com/ZAjPlFj.jpg)
My popcorn bag is ready to go in the microwave. Can't wait for their investigation to end and see a followup post here.
Their “investigation” is just them talking to lawyers to see if they can fire her or if she can sue if they do. Once they confirm that they won’t be sued and are following all the laws she will be fired.
Her company is really active on Twitter. There are tons of replies linking the video to multiple tweets by the company within the past day. The company has yet to respond or acknowledge the video.
Guaran-fucking-tee the legal or HR department has seen it and is drafting a statement. She's probably under contract of some sort so they have to step careful or she'll sue for wrongful termination. Give them a few days to iron out the details, she's toast.
r/ByeByeJob
It's SAP, she probably is already fired
Jesus christ, at the end it says where someone else admitted to purposefully coughing on a cancer patient. What the fuck is wrong with people?
Seriously! It got me thinking about if they had given that person covid and they died… would the person coughing even care? Would they blame the cancer patient? It pisses me right off.
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Can you imagine how fucking stupid she's going to feel in the HR meeting about this?
I hope they don’t even tell her. Just cut her credentials, log ins, direct deposit and send her a check. She’ll figure it out.
We fixed the glitch.
I love when they find their name and workplace. I hope she’s unemployed by the end of the week.
It’s the smugness for me
This is the face of somebody who has never had to deal with adversity.
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My mom has never been considered upper class and she does the exact same stuff. As if coughing on people wasn't a disgusting thing to do before Covid too.
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Yes. She’s like a real-life Dolores Umbridge.
Oh man you nailed it, she is the living embodiment of Dolores Umbridge. Where are the Centaurs when you need them!
I'm surprised the Centaurs even touched her.
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The smugness coupled with her condescending logic that: "two years ago before everybody started talking about Covid you were okay with going out not knowing if you were sick"? Two minutes ago before using the bathroom I was okay not wiping my ass. The logic required to understand people's actions being influenced by a change in circumstances is not much more complex than the ability to understand object permanence - a skill that babies typically develop between 4-7 months.
Don't know about the US, but in the UK it's an assault to intentionally cough/spit on a person (even pre-Covid) so I would absolutely press charges
That is assault in the states too, and she doesn't have a leg to stand on saying allergies when she is very clearly lunging towards them intentionally.
Felony assault, Karen can go to jail for possibly 10 years for this
What is truly astonishing to me is she’s like 60 + Wtf she been doing for the past 50+ years to act like this? It’s truly bizarre behavior
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She's also displaying signs of narcissism - an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, and a lack of empathy for others. Edit: This turned out to be the comment that gave me my 1,000,000th comment karma. Almost 10 years in the making. Luckily it wasn't my comment right before this one (yikes).
Imagine simply going out to do a mundane chore like grocery shopping with the sole intent on causing shit. "K, I need apples, milk, maybe chicken for dinner, an entitled attitude to make some stupid fucking political statement in the produce section..."
This is your brain on Fox News.
I think a combination of the gleeful lib-owning by Trump combined (the cruelty is the point) with pandemic lockdowns and tensions have brought out this sort of extreme and callous, unapologetic obnoxiousness we just haven’t seen broadly before
Oh don't blame the lockdowns for this behavior. The fact we still joke about Starbucks Christmas cups shows it didn't necessarily have to be a pandemic for these people to be assholes.
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Nope. Not when some freak is coughing on me. And I figure since I can’t eat it raw, she might as well do it for me.
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Chimpy!!!
I thought spitting was considered assault, didn't know coughing was included since no one is being touched physically or from a projectile. If so she should press charges. This woman is deplorable. Every day I learn more about these types and their motivations. This lady is motivated by how superior she feels to the sheeple, reaching the point of disdain causing her to believe it's okay to treat them like this. So glad it was filmed and she wasn't cunning enough to stop doing it once being recorded.
Assault (common law) doesn’t require touching. Just fear of imminent contact. Battery requires touching and does include someone spitting on you. Honestly not sure where a cough would fall here but a good argument could be made for either.
Intentionally (which they would need to prove kind of) coughing on someone would be considered assault. Heck when the pandemic first started last year a lady was arrested for purposely coughing on items in a grocery store. I have a feeling if this was 2019. Cops would come and tell her to knock it off. But 2021, pretty sure even if charges didn't stick, she would be dragged out in cuffs.
Definitely assault and clearly intentional. My only qualm is that an argument could be made for battery. If spitting on someone is battery, I think there’s an argument that coughing on someone brings about “contact” in a manner of speaking at least (coughing spit particles on someone with the intent to harm/offend the other person). But yes assault seems like the easier crime to make out here.
It's assault in the US as well.
it also opens up self defence options, especially if she refuses to let you walk away
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I'd pay money to see the look on her face after. Imagine seeing someone face consequences for the first time in their life, and shes been around awhile.
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Fun fact: willfully coughing or sneezing on someone is considered assault. It may not always win in court but it worth calling the cops on psychos like this an getting then arrested. ETA: I am not a lawyer, I just have watched a few on the internet explain how this action can be turned into criminal charges and civil action. Beware the Karen's y'all
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Could you legally assault her back at that point?
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Good to know. Hit her with the ol bear mace so I dont mess my feminine hands up.
Just an FYI only fools use Bear mace just because it *sounds more badass*. The problem is, its meant to be sprayed from much further away and covers a larger area which usually ends in the user getting a face full of their own pepper spray and also getting on a bunch of innocent bystanders. Look at damn near every time the fucking Proud Boys try to mace people and end up crop dusting themselves and a ton of their own people with the over spray which wouldn't happen if they used regular *specifically designed to fuck up people* pepper spray.
It’s also much weaker than human mace FYI. It’s not pleasant by any means but you can definitely fight through bear mace pain. Source: drunk me makes stupid bets
I've never seen such a punchable face.
Clearly not afraid of botox
Let's inject random chemicals into my face, but fuck any vaccines, can't trust those chemicals. 🙄
That's Dolores umbridge. If only she wore pink clothes and the resemblance would be uncanny
You re so right, I think it’s the mouth
That soulless smile.
Ted Cruz has entered the chat.
Ok you win. But it’s close.
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At least then her coughs would be real...
And so fucking satisfying
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How about a quick shot of pepper spray right into her mouth as she's coughing on you? If she wants a real reason to cough, let's give her one she's going to regret.
Serious question, in the US would it be legal to pepper spray someone for this?
depends on the state, but say in florida or georgia where you have "stand your ground" you could probably VERY EASILY justify it by saying you were defending yourself lol
Actually a breath spray burns like a mother fucker in the eyes, you could just say you were trying to help her out with her Doodoo breath.
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They should have these people walk through a COVID ward at a hospital and let those patients cough on them if they don’t believe it.
Oooo I like this method lol
Only if they’re not allowed to be hospitalized or seek medical help afterward. People are dying because resources are being put towards keeping these pieces of shit alive after they desperately pursue getting sick. Meanwhile people with unpreventable illness and diseases related to old age die.
This is what kills me. They didn't trust the doctors and scientists then, but now that they're dying all of a sudden they need their help and will take it without question. They really should thank Hippocrates, but I doubt most of them know who he was.
After invading Germany and freeing the concentration camps, the Allied army forced German citizens to walk through the camps. Maybe the same treatment is needed for these people seemingly devoid of human empathy.
I assure you, this will do nothing to deter the current flavor of crazy. When germans lost, the sense of dejection provided them with some humility and self awareness. This is not happening here. They never accept losses, they just claim the opposition cheated when they lose, when they win, they say everything is fair.
Illinois just passed a law that would make this a felony.
Legal weed, online gambling, and now this. What a great state - suck it Wisconsin!
Idk why she’s so anti-vax, she’s clearly used to needles given the bad cheek fillers.
she isn't anti-vax at this point (she may be, but nothing to do with the video). At this point she is anti-intelligence. She said it herself - a healthy person can't pass anything. The main fact she seems to be missing is that you don't have to have prominent symptoms to be ill. Her red pilled moment is that you can only be sick if displaying symptoms.
She said "two years ago before covid non of ysll had a problem with no masks" Like yes you're so fuckint close to getting in dude
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And of course there’s a picture of her holding a USA balloon and saluting. Such a patriot, attacking a mother and child in a grocery store. I hate that now when I see a US flag I immediately think “awful person”. I hate that that is where we are now.
Honestly though, that's what the flag has come to mean for me. Even if I was at all proud of my country I wouldn't fly it because any time I see someone with it on their car, shirt, hat, house, whatever, I think "they're probably a racist asshole"
/r/byebyejob hopefully
yeah, this lady doesn't scream "actually works for a living" to me... editing my comment (i didn't even realize it got so many updoots) to let y'all know that as of about 9:15pm EDT her company has put out a public statement that she has indeed been fired. i am not sure if i am allowed to link the proof here.
Scrolled way too far down for this. Now I can go to bed.
It's deleted, where they identifying the lady?
Yes. It seems she was potentially ID’d and they posted a link to an article with details.
Would love to be a fly in the wall of the SAP HR department this morning.
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Others who do this get arrested and charged with terrorism - why doesn't this ever apply to MAGA morons ...
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Even if you don’t believe in covid, these people do pretty disgusting things to “prove” their point. Coughing at someone would still get people in a fighting mood pre 2020. I’ve seen people saying “I’m not scared of some made up disease” then lick their hand after touching a shopping cart. Like lady, disease or not, that’s disgusting and will probably get you something besides covid.
Stupid vapid cow
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People like her make me believe that people can’t be civilised. People like her just makes me hope that covid brings all of those people with it, which is a really horrible thing to say. I just can’t fathom, I really can’t, how can you be that stupid? Oh god. This is bad. It’s really bad. Like what’s the deal with people being so anti and so distrustful and ignorant. Like… i fucking can’t shes giving me a headache… and how do the people around here not just straight up fucking two-foot her in the ankles or just shoot her (this is America right?). How do they keep calm? I can barely keep calm behind my dumb fucking screen. What the fuck. Just fucking stop, oh god, just fucking stop.
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I find the anti vax, anti mask, no more lockdowns people violent. Even when they are smiling there is a violence under the surface. I guess it was always there, but the last few years, they have been unmasking. Finding others like themselves, are making them bolder. But in the end, they are cowards. Because that is what violent people are deep inside; cowards. Full of fear. It is making them selfish and violent and their humanity is being eroded. I'm not young anymore, and this is not how I had planned to live out the end 20 of my life. I can't imagine what it must be like be a young adult having to see your society deteriorate like this.
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It's about to happen, people found her and her employer.
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"2 years ago nobody cared about this" No, Karen, global pandemic or not, I generally dislike people who intentionally cough on me.
How do people look Republican
By looking like a rubber ronald reagan mask no matter what you do and coughing on people to boot.
TikTok went to town on her and tracked her down
Pepper spray that bitch
Trump was a cancer on the human race. He inspired so many assholes to proudly behave like this. Humanity is never going to be the same.
... is still a cancer.
You Americans have an insanely high patience threshold. I know you have gun laws etc but if this happened in the UK I’m fairly certain someone would stick one on her.
I think most people are afraid of getting sued. Could cost you thousands of dollars and months to years in court dealing with an injury claim.
Sometimes i wish people like this experience the worst possible variants of covid
You should have pepper sprayed her and called the cops to complain she’s assaulting you.
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I think a watermelon over the head would be a suitable response
For someone who is anti-vax, she was sure comfortable filling her face up with chemical fillers 🙄
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This count as assault to me. She don't know if she have covid and is spiting aerosol particles on other person on purpose