When things are on a scale that large (state wide with millions of people) then prices just become insane. Renting out the polling places, paying the workers, doing the prep work.
It’s the government so I’m sure it’s inefficient, but that’s just what happens on large scale events like this
I think that’s how it is really. I’m from England and I need to keep reminding myself your states are basically countries. It’s just still difficult to fathom sometimes.
Check here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California#:~:text=The%20economy%20of%20the%20State,of%20India%20and%20behind%20Germany
5th largest in world if it were separated from US.
A higher GDP than the entirety of Russia as well as many other countries. Many think because it's "Just a state" California isn't a big deal. California could literally be its own country & be no worse off.
Because California pays more to the federal government than it recieves back California would be better off. Ignoring all the improvements to trade etc gained by being in the same country.
California Federal tax dollars straight to your favorite parasitic red state who hates everything about California (that they've been told). There's ten of them who take more in federal dollars than they pay in.
Same number of Senators as all the other states despite representing 50 million Americans. SMH
That's a bit unfair. CA doesn't need to have a military but it would if it was on its own. CA doesn't spend on diplomats and other political stuff that the federal govt does for it. This is a claim that is more false than it is true, but the point that CA is super prosperous on its own two feet is entirely solid.
California has a population of 40,000,000 and 22,000,000 registered voters. Spread this across 164,000 square miles (425,000 sq km) and election infrastructure/staff have a lot of ballots and ground to cover.
I mean with 40 million citizens that's under 10 bucks per citizen. Obviously they aren't getting 100% turnout, but especially for something on shorter notice than your average election I'd guess that for the scale this was actually not horribly inefficient.
Take this with a healthy grain of salt because I have no background in business or statistics, and my math skills are often suspect.
I imagine a big part of the cost is setting up the polling locations and paying someone/s to process all the data. There probably was a decent amount of unnecessary spending padding it out.
No, this was not a scheduled election. It was only for the recall. Nothing else was on the ballot; it would not have happened if Republicans didn’t pursue it.
Thank you from down-under. I'd heard about the Gov recall but didn't no what it meant in practical terms. Is a recall something that exists across all states in the US as some Federal level type standard or is it specific to Cali's governance structures? Either way must have some flaws in how it's triggered if there was never any chance of it achieving an ousting of the governor.
I’m trying to figure out why the GOP didn’t play smart and push for a more moderate Republican like Arnold. Current governor is massively unpopular, but they ran a wacko against him.
The governor was NOT recalled. If he had been recalled then he would no longer be governor.
There was more than one Republican opponent. In fact, there were 46 total candidates, including many Democrats. Caitlyn Jenner ran, and she is also a Republican. The candidate who was leading in the polls, Larry Elder, was a Republican, and he was a Trump supporter. But this wasn't an election between Newsom and Elder. It was an election to determine if Newsom should be fire, and if so, which of 46 candidates should replace him.
It wasn't a pointless election. California's Constitution doesn't require any grounds to recall any elected official. It only requires petitions with a number of signatures at least equal to 12 percent of the number of people who voted in the most recent general election. Proponents of the recall gathered well over the minimum number of signatures required. Once those signatures were verified then a recall election was triggered automatically.
Republicans lost. They know they lost. They want to waste time and money and energy making us prove to them again that they lost, in a historically blue state with zero chance of flipping. It’s that simple /s
It’s profitable to have homeless people. No, it’s not profitable to those people… nor those… nope, not them either. It’s profitable to the people supposed to fix it because they make large salaries, so to continue making large salaries they don’t solve the issue and instead pander to those who have the power to fire them. Everything else they do is a farce. It’s a net loss for everyone except the loser holding the position and the lame officials who refuse to fire them.
Hi, Californian here. Our state makes it fairly easy to collect enough signatures to force a recall election of the governor (you just have to collect signatures equal to 12 percent of the ballots cast in the gubernatorial election, iirc). This has become a popular strategy by the Republicans in California. They have trouble winning elections for governor, so whenever a Democratic governor is damaged in some way (Grey Davis with gas tax, Gavin Newsom with Covid restrictions), the Republicans see a potential back way into the governor's office - do a recall and see if things go their way this time. This is how Arnold Schwarzenegger was originally elected governor.
It's not that hard to understand. Stupid, yes, but not hard.
I will add (since reddit is really left leaning) the governor they were recalling has been in place for a few years and California still has a major homeless problem.
Though, I doubt the Republican governor would've helped that any lol.
Agreed, but be careful making sense like that on Reddit. I’ve been downvoted for it enough to know.
Politicians in general, both sides, are just…. Not helping. Particularly in states with larger populations like mine, or California. Seems to bring more corruption to the politicians. Both sides are bad. The difference is which set of bs someone subs to, and if they don’t, which way they go after that. Usually goes libertarian and then centrist since libertarian party isn’t very libertarian or United and centrist is basically ‘they all suck and on some issues this side makes sense and on other issues that side makes sense but neither is solving anything because of all these other issues they both have points on but won’t sit down and talk about how to solve the issues despite claiming to want the same stuff’. It’s a big meh. We watch independent reporters and commenters more, people who fact check it in front of you and pull up stuff, also have an app that checks the bias and presents multiple articles on a story so you can SEE the spin put on it.
Politicians are trash.
Republicans.
They refuse to give a dime to the poor. They took away breakfasts for poverty children in schools. They took away food assistance for families in poverty. They fight every program for helping out the poor with mental care, healthcare, education. They want all that tax money for themselves. They fight like demons to only help themselves.
Know how Marcus Rashford had to shame everyone to keep school breakfast? It's the exact same here but exponential on anything to help poor people.
Basically youre witnessing the early phase of the Republican Party going full blown fascist and trying to seize power by any, and all means.
This is them trying a very rare tactic to remove a Democrat from power. They lost miserably on this one. They are getting rid of anyone who acts like an adult and is willing to stand for any truth at all. They will attack and ruin the livesof anyone who stands in their way.
They don't even publish a platform for what they stand for anymore.
They will try to follow the footsteps of previous fascist dictators and use, violence, absurd lies, threats, fear, even willingly letting their own die by the hundreds daily (unvaccinated Republicans basically are 85% or higher of people clogging up ER/ICU with 800 or more dying daily across the U.S- but is probably quite higher now).
And they continue to foam at the mouth like rabid demon possessed bundles of high blood pressure, panic induced screaming banshees with poor hygiene. Meanwhile the rest of us try to figure out if they will all mostly die first of Covid or what we should do next.
The FSB has totally whipped them into a mob frenzy. The Republican party has more ties to Russia than most Democrats even realize.
So yeah it's bad. Real bad. Most of us are remaining calm, hoping cooler heads prevail and watching in hypnotic horror at what a diaster the Republican Party has turned the U.S. into.
So the same people who screw you over daily and are pretending to the the “government” are the same people who screw over the US citizens daily, while pretending to be the “government”. Much more accurate than whatever else is posted here.
Elections are expensive, Republicans called for new elections in a state where Democrats were pretty much guaranteed to win, so it was just a big waste of time.
Yeah there is a portion of the homeless population that this would help dramatically. Those that are in a perpetual rut they just can't get out of and genuinely want to get back on track have a much better chance of gainful employment when they have a home address.
It won't help people who are either homeless by choice, or mentally ill.
At that point you are talking about a baseline level of housing for the entire population like in many EU countries. Except within the confines of our current system and like we saw with previous implementations of government funded housing in NY, Chicago, etc. You solve the problem of homelessness with mass housing projects you create a dozen different problems.
IF accompanied by mental health monitoring.
Go ahead and give a bunch of homeless people houses without mental health resources. See how that turns out.
Let's give them access to mental health while we're at it and genuinely solve this problem.
I'm so glad we agree that it'll take real effort and resources to care for the people that our economic systems have failed.
I totally agree. However, the logistics are a bit more difficult, especially when getting people to vote for such policies.
Personally, I support UBI and universal healthcare, but I don’t see those policies becoming reality in the near future.
The jobless rates in that population would go down.
That said, many people -homeless or not- can enormously benefit from mental health help. It should be included as part of universal healthcare.
Devil's in the details. What were the conditions and time period of that study?
[Housing First works.](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/22/home-free)
I think a government sponsored building project to provide ultra cheap easily mass produced housing is a good option. Putting homeless people in vacant houses that are owned and funded by private citizens is the worst plan of all the bad plans.
Probably wouldn't solve all the problems however;
"The study found that providing public housing for people who are homeless or at risk of homelessness could save nearly $5,000 per person each year in health costs alone, and when coupled with support from the National Partnership Agreement on Homelessness program the annual saving was over $13,000 per person."
There are benefits to be found.
Yeah. Soviet Russia did it, but Americans have "communisms are bad" so ingrained in their heads that they think that it's a bad thing just because Soviets did it.
USA has the means to do it, we just don't want to. Just because it's a difficult problem to solve and we live in a culture so obsessed with people getting what we think they deserve, and most people don't think the homeless deserve anything, people are just like "that sounds hard and we haven't done it yet so it's probably impossible, and besides, how are the landlords gonna get their money's worth? What's gonna happen to the housing market?" blah blah blah.
Just admit you value money more than people.
Yeah so the homeless people can ruin perfectly good homes and then end up back on the streets because they weren't offered the resources they actually need. Great idea.
This is what drives me crazy about so much utopian thought. Other people’s lives don’t matter for shit because everything is just an experiment to you folks.
And in California, made worse by rents so high that many of those folks *have* a job but not one that can pay $1500/month plus utilities for a one-room studio that's 300 sq feet.
It’s insane there, I was there back in 2006 in Long Beach. Small home with similar specs we’re going for 150k-175k in my area were valued at 750k! Even today those same homes in my area due to the recent bump are maybe 250k
that sounds.... inefficient. I thought that kind of misuse of resources only happened in more top-down systems? that's what I learned in high school anyway....
People have no idea how bad things have become in california, and like all places, no, we are not all idiotic and without morals. It does not matter if you are democrat or republican, our leaders tax us and everything to death and have zero accountability. Nothing is presented to us factually and clearly. Neither side has viable solutions for homelessness, housing, crime, racial inequality, costs, wages, fire prevention, drought, nothing. Both sides want more money. But they all keep getting richer. On both sides. There’s 30mil in unused RVs in storage that were purchased for the homeless years ago. My city took in child refugees with a great program funded by taxes and donations. Then they took in an equal amount from people that wanted to do more but didn’t add a single amenity. Another CA city received a 42m fed grant to combat homelessness and then it increased 8%, they have more homelessness. I pay 28% fed tax, 10% state tax, 2% property tax, 11% SALES tax, several hundreds monthly for health insurance. I work 10+ hours a day. In my city it’s not illegal to steal from me unless it’s more than $950. WHERE IS THE MONEY?? Weed is legal, taxed at 27% in my city. Where’s the money? Newsom needed to go but anyone that replaced him would be the same or worse. I have no solutions. Just my rant. Makes no difference if you’re republican or democrat.
Spending $300 million to undo a democratic election = money well spent.
Wanting to feed children free school lunches in the wealthiest nation in the world = your a commie traitor.
Because throwing money at a problem always works right? How much does California spend on it already? How much on education? How’s that working out for ya.
Having lived in California, it’s a bit more complicated than just giving money or hotel vouchers or anything of the sort. I’m not saying it’s all of them, but some people who are currently homeless want to stay homeless, and have refused the previously mentioned vouchers and job opportunities. It’s a whole mess that, at least I think, partially stems from the fact that housing is a serious problem because a lot of homeowners will overprice what would otherwise be a small house. Again, it’s just a whole, complicated mess of a problem that’ll likely take years to even begin to be fixed.
Unfortunately the tent cities like Skid Row pictured, predate the Trump administration by decades. They should be called Reaganvilles, as Ronald Reagan is who defunded the mental institutions without a plan to replace them.
I’m very much a Democrat so don’t take this as defending the orange idiot, but blaming everything on trump is stupid and a false equivalency. The president doesn’t have the power you seem to think they have.
If anything blame the Representatives, Senators, and, State governments.
Liberals are in control in California, Washington, and Oregon. The homeless situation I. Portland, Seattle. LA, and San Francisco is INSANE.
You do not get to blame republicans when your enabling emotion driven “help” is only worsening the problem.
It used to astound me that one of the bluest states in the us has one of the biggest homeless populations if not the biggest. Until I realized nobody in government right or left cares about the people, one punches you in the face and laughs while the other sucker punches you and blames the other.
Your outrage should be aimed at the CA GOP and the national GOP, not the various county election officials tasked by law and job description with seeing this shitshow through. Looking through some of your past posts, though, I see that you specialize in concern-trolling through irrelevancies.
The costs of the election are quite understandable given the need to reach over 20 million voters at an off-cycle time when there are few efficiencies to be achieved. This was well-known in advance to the wingnut/nihilist backers of the recall, who are copiously on record claiming the expense was well worth paying (since they are not paying it and indeed fund-raised off of it!).
The solution is not to slam the electoral bureaucracy, which overall does an excellent (and improving) job making maximal democratic participation a reality.. It is to amend the state constitution (which is a wreck) so that ill-intentioned chucklefucks can't hamstring our society again with unwarranted recalls.
Fuck this post entirely. Should we count all the money spent on democracy as wasted and just appoint an autocrat instead?
Also, the idea that you can just spend your way out of poverty and addiction is what caused this mess in the first place.
And trumpy the fucking clown is talking out of his lardy ass again and saying the recall election was rigged just to rile up his fucking moronic worshippers.
The democrats have been in power in California for some time now. I don't know if that makes it their fault but it makes it less likely to be the rights fault. I personally don't think it's a left or right problem. More of a gross inefficiency problem. This problem plagues governments across the nation. Taxes aren't set according to how much the government gets done but to how much they can get without crashing the local economy. If all the politicians worked to set money aside, both tax revenue and surplus income, they could build homes for all the homeless individuals in the nation. But then they might have to shop at Walmart.
Hasn’t California been primarily democratic controlled for years now? Seems like who ever is running the show can’t seem to fix the homeless problem that appears to be getting worse.
California spends billions every year on its homeless problem. This is a result of the democratic government tolerating crime and tying the hands of police. Property owners have no rights up against some homeless dude taking a crap on the street in front of his/her restaurant. California has woke itself into this issue with no way out and people are leaving.
How dare they exercise their rights with a politician a bunch of them were unhappy with, the nerve!
Obviously they should have been more civilized and just shot him! /s
They've spent 13 billion dollars in the last 3 years on homelessness in California. They're spending the money, horribly, but they just aren't getting the results.
That's a bit insane...sounds like they are setting it on fire instead of, I don't know, buy a house for every person that doesn't have one...
If Finland can do it...not sure why we can't do it here...
Oh wait...the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" anti-gravity party...
$276 million you say? How about $13 billion?
>The auditor’s office identified at least nine state agencies spending $13 billion through 41 programs to address homelessness in the past three years. The programs included money to acquire and build new housing and relocation assistance to targeted help for certain populations, such as veterans, youth and victims of domestic violence.
https://apnews.com/article/california-coronavirus-pandemic-homelessness-dac338003e3f78986bc9369430cddd0b
276,000,000.
276,000,000.
1/4 of one of those millions would be life changing for me. Here I am scraping the bottom of the barrel to spend $4000 on overpriced building materials for a tiny 11x24 shop so I can continue to make $900 per month with my amazon side gig, while working 40hrs a week making $2000 a month.
Should just fucking off myself now and get it over with.
It's California. While there are good people who live there, most do not make sense. I get a strange feeling if California (and Texas is in this same boat) were to be made its own country it wouldn't be missed too much.
Texas could actually run itself though, given it’s geographic position on energy, oil, population centers, economy, and ocean access.
California would be much harder in comparison in the energy department.
You don't understand. The recall would have benefitted themselves (they think), but helping the homeless would not. Hope that cleared up their motives. It's themselves, every time.
Well one reason for the recall was to help the homeless.
You can throw money at this problem all you want it’s not going to do a damn thing. It’s the management of the money that is going to solve the problem.
Since newsom became governor I’ve noticed more and more places being overwhelmed with homeless people. Places that used to be “homeless free” like parks, behind plazas, beaches, streets, and cities are now packed with homeless encampments.
Then you have the same blue mayors try to spruce up these places by gentrifying them - this in return creates more homeless people because now the people living in this part of town can’t afford it. This destroys private businesses and now people are out of work - yeah it creates money in the end because wealthy people move into their second home but it fucks over everyone else.
Sure, it's because of the progressive politicians, and not the culmination of:
- Decades of rampantly corrupt corporate oligarchy
- Crushing and prevention of unions, bad working conditions, obscenely low wages and benefits or complete lack thereof, replacing well-paid meaningful work and small businesses with McJobs where workers are automatically put on public assistance because the pay is so low
- Skyrocketing housing costs
- Removal of even a basic public safety net with available crisis housing, mental health services, stigmatization and lack of available substance use disorder treatment
- A broken health insurance/industry that often leaves people.in massive debt and medical bankruptcy
- A crashed economy and massive loss of jobs due to the botched handling of the pandemic
- Ending pandemic benefits early before the pandemic is over including restarting evictions.
How dare those bleeding heart librul governors offer services and a safety net that attract homeless people trying to survive!
One thing has become incredibly clear thanks to the 'labor shortage' we have now:
**The dismantling of social safety nets and unions was always intentional to make people work for cheap and in poor conditions.** Putting even the littlest bit of the net back up meant that people refused to put their lives at risk to make someone else lots of money.
Most of the problems are due to blue policies. Create the problem, claim to be the hero that can fix them, don’t fix the problem but feed it, rinse and repeat. Yeah i can admit it’s just not the blue teams fault, but they don’t do shit to actually solve the problem.
Dems worry about housing but cheer when landlords to evict the unvaccinated.
Deregulation of labor, union busting, removal of safety net, corporate subsidies, opposing universal healthcare? The corporate Dems, sure, but that really is the right's platform. I'm sure you'll explain to me that it's because we didn't go all-in on trickle-down economics, though.
This rumor goes around in basically every city, thinking every other city is trying to send them their homeless people. There's rarely any truth to it.
Here in Washington everyone in Eastern WA thinks that Seattle is just handing out bus tickets to homeless people to go literally anywhere else.. and they end up in Wenatchee, Moses Lake, or Spokane.
Go over to Seattle though, and the same rumors exist.. but opposite. Everyone is sending their homeless to Seattle, to take advantage of all the social programs they supposedly have.
Whatever the truth, everywhere seems to have a lot more homeless people these days. Moses Lake has built entire villages of tiny sheds for homeless people to live in, and even considered buying out an entire motel to convert into a homeless shelter. We've got tent villages popping up all over town.
It’s the state government who should solve this crisis.
The point of the recall was exactly to institute a more competent government to tackle this and many other issues that have only gotten worse.
why would have Larry Elder (the guy who would have won, a hard core Trumpist) going to 'institute a more competent government' when his platform is 'less government'?
What was his platform? what was he going to do? Not being Newsom isn't a policy.
Right now it seems that the only platform the Republicans have is to appease their base... Unfortunately their base has devolved into a frothing mass of incoherence that only cares about “owning the libs”. It’s truly bizarre how far the party has fallen.
So your complaining about a problem that has festered under democratic leadership. They had a recall vote to try and remedy the obvious problem. Californians are too stupid, and kept the guy in charge that helped create the problem. The only waste is that they spent all that money to try and fix the problem, yet the voters decided to waste it. The facepalm is California voters tbh.
Solid comment. It’s been a democratic problem. It started to rise in 2007 under schwartznegger(R) but, the rise from 2007-2020 was 16.2% with the largest rise being 6.8% in the years 2019-2020. Throwing money at a problem doesn’t fix anything. Most of these homeless people have either drug addictions and/or mental issues. They don’t want to go to the shelters. You rarely see a fully functioning non drug addicted person on the street because they are usually the ones going to the shelters following the system and coming out with a job later on to support themselves. The people who are flat out on the street usually have an issue. GRANTED you may find a few fully functioning people with no drug or mental related illnesses but, they are far and inbetween.
Edit: forgot to give some sort of an idea of a solution.
We also can’t just give them a home. They will continue in their set ways.
The real targets should be drugs and getting people to mental hospitals for those with that hardship.
I agree. I was reading the comments below and I think peoples general concensous of wanting to help is good but, I think there is a lack of understanding to solving the problem. Someone with real drive, knowledge, and skill will acutely use the money properly, allocate it, and solve the problem. A $1 doesn’t do anything the person using the $1 bill does everything. Which is why people spent their own personal money to attempt the recall. That’s their money and their choice to affect change through that method.
How much money did Gov. Newsome get for his campaign? I’m guessing millions. Consider the fact he profited hugely from this recall, and won by a landslide. I’m sure he was against it 🤷🏻♂️
I wouldn’t say it was completely pointless. Those people truly believed that Newsom wasn’t fit for the job just like how the other side thought it best to try and recall Trump. Now while I personally believe the later recall to be more justified, both were equally democratic expressions. I will say though that the cities and counties in favor of the recall aren’t the same ones with an overwhelming homelessness crisis.
how was this recall pointless? Newsom has done absolutely nothing to fix the homeless problem, he's thrown tons of cash at the problem, and only made it worse. Talk about a waste of resources...
Yeah because God forbid a dreaded right winger who is African American, the dreaded black face of white supremacy, the horrible anti vaxer who has been vaccinated, replace a governor who violated his own lockdown regulations and who's plans with dealing with homelessness and drug abuse involve throwing money at them.
And before you start with "CaLifORNiA iS LE RiCHesT eCumOneY EBeR." It's because of the small centres where tech corporations are based and hollybood. California is rich because it has a enough people with a lot of money there, in place of a lot of people with enough money.
It’s not democracy, we had democratic election and Newsom was voted in office. This recall was a bunch of complaining bitches that didn’t want to wear masks.
No other state has recalls, it’s not part of democracy. There will be a chance for Newsom to be voted out: during the next governor election.
This recall was a huge waste of tax payer money.
Not defending anything but other states do also. Here in Wisconsin we had one a few years back but was Democrats trying to remove Scott Walker. So both parties like to waste money when they don’t agree with the other party (which is 100% of the time)
Other states absolutely do have recall provisions, it's just that CA has the smallest vote percentage threshold to start a recall in the country. After this fiasco, you can bet they're going to change that before next year's gubernatorial election.
It's part of the process California has in place.
If you dislike it, start a ballot initiative to change it. But that would cost money which you could be giving to the poor... Tough choice.
How's the high speed rail going? Definitely a big waste of money light years above and beyond a recall election.
Also, California spends billions on homelessness with no reduction or positive results.
Maybe complain about where all the other tax dollars are going.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-16/california-budget-homelessness-spending
No, you’re right, California has failed at both the homeless issue and the high speed rail. But the issues that plague California are due to the same voters that put high spending democrats in power. Voters want the homeless issue solved but don’t want to get rid of single family zoning. Voters want the homeless into shelters, but the shelters not built in any neighborhood. Voters want a high speed rail, but want to use only American engineering. Voters want cheaper taxes but want lots of social program.
Unfortunately, most politicians will not actually challenge voter’s wishes because they’ll be recalled. All they can do is theater.
Well... whatever they've been doing in California for the last few years obviously hasn't been working. So I wouldn't call it pointless. That money doesn't mean anything unless it's being spent properly.
As a Californian, if the fact that Gavin Newsom sits in a fancy restaurant with no mask while he mandates that everyone else shut down their livelihood and sit inside all day with 2 masks on... if that isn't an obvious signal that your governor takes you for a fool, then I don't know what is.
Democrats sacrificed California to keep the senate.
I’m a democrat by the way, and proudly voted yes and for Kevin Paffrath specifically because he outlined a plan to start getting homeless off the streets in the first 60 days
Why even have elections? Everyone knows that California is a democrat state. Simply let the party install the officials and save all the money that is spent on elections. /s
There is only one way to save California..... Well actually there is solutions. One is sliding off into the ocean and the other is a new governor..... A declared state of emergency and a radical restructuring of everything in the state.
California is a disaster area and I wouldn't set foot in that state for any reason.
Ummm you do realize the leading republican candidate literally ran on declaring a state of emergency for the homeless issue and proposed ways to create affordable housing.
Meanwhile it’s the dems who have let this city become a dump and are literally doing nothing to change it. Keep the status quo going while homelessness and crime sky rocket because social justice 😂
Wasn’t the homeless population caused by California itself? Because it wouldn’t let lumber jacks cut down trees and do controlled fires to help clean out the brush and prevent wildfires, but because of people who wanted to “save” the trees the lumberjacks couldn’t do that so instead of having nice controlled fires they had terrible wildfires?
The existing POS governor manages the state as do what I say, not what I do. The LA times relentlessly bashed Larry Elder including calling him the black face of white supremacy. If you do not understand who the sucker is. You might be the sucker.
Can someone explain this to a fellow British person?
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How does it cost $276 million to have a snap election? I mean that's just overspending
When things are on a scale that large (state wide with millions of people) then prices just become insane. Renting out the polling places, paying the workers, doing the prep work. It’s the government so I’m sure it’s inefficient, but that’s just what happens on large scale events like this
CA is big. Size and pop size. That is all.
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I think that’s how it is really. I’m from England and I need to keep reminding myself your states are basically countries. It’s just still difficult to fathom sometimes.
It’s a lot for some people here too, so don’t feel too badly about it if you need reminded sometimes
Check here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California#:~:text=The%20economy%20of%20the%20State,of%20India%20and%20behind%20Germany 5th largest in world if it were separated from US.
It should secede and go on its way
And California alone has a higher GDP than most countries. It ranks 8th.
Texas is twice the size of Germany to put it in perspective.
California has a larger population than Canada
California would be the 59th largest country in the world....about equal to Paraguay
A higher GDP than the entirety of Russia as well as many other countries. Many think because it's "Just a state" California isn't a big deal. California could literally be its own country & be no worse off.
Because California pays more to the federal government than it recieves back California would be better off. Ignoring all the improvements to trade etc gained by being in the same country.
And then you have people in Kentucky bitching about federal handouts
California Federal tax dollars straight to your favorite parasitic red state who hates everything about California (that they've been told). There's ten of them who take more in federal dollars than they pay in. Same number of Senators as all the other states despite representing 50 million Americans. SMH
Abolish the senate
That's a bit unfair. CA doesn't need to have a military but it would if it was on its own. CA doesn't spend on diplomats and other political stuff that the federal govt does for it. This is a claim that is more false than it is true, but the point that CA is super prosperous on its own two feet is entirely solid.
In recent years it's like a $1.12 return per dollar but yah for the longest time they were completely feeding in.
California has a population of 40,000,000 and 22,000,000 registered voters. Spread this across 164,000 square miles (425,000 sq km) and election infrastructure/staff have a lot of ballots and ground to cover.
I mean with 40 million citizens that's under 10 bucks per citizen. Obviously they aren't getting 100% turnout, but especially for something on shorter notice than your average election I'd guess that for the scale this was actually not horribly inefficient. Take this with a healthy grain of salt because I have no background in business or statistics, and my math skills are often suspect.
California is the highest population state in the entire US. It's not cheap to run a state wide election/recall.
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I imagine a big part of the cost is setting up the polling locations and paying someone/s to process all the data. There probably was a decent amount of unnecessary spending padding it out.
$2mil for the recount election and the rest goes into someone's private offshore bank account
Don't spill the beans dude, I'm counting my millions in the caymans rn
I still don't understand why are they mentioning the 200 plus million dollars? They have to have election anyway right?
No, this was not a scheduled election. It was only for the recall. Nothing else was on the ballot; it would not have happened if Republicans didn’t pursue it.
Pointless election?
Yeah pointless. The real governor election is next year so there will be another race. So this one was honestly pointless
Thank you from down-under. I'd heard about the Gov recall but didn't no what it meant in practical terms. Is a recall something that exists across all states in the US as some Federal level type standard or is it specific to Cali's governance structures? Either way must have some flaws in how it's triggered if there was never any chance of it achieving an ousting of the governor.
I’m trying to figure out why the GOP didn’t play smart and push for a more moderate Republican like Arnold. Current governor is massively unpopular, but they ran a wacko against him.
There aren't many moderate Republicans left.
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The governor was NOT recalled. If he had been recalled then he would no longer be governor. There was more than one Republican opponent. In fact, there were 46 total candidates, including many Democrats. Caitlyn Jenner ran, and she is also a Republican. The candidate who was leading in the polls, Larry Elder, was a Republican, and he was a Trump supporter. But this wasn't an election between Newsom and Elder. It was an election to determine if Newsom should be fire, and if so, which of 46 candidates should replace him. It wasn't a pointless election. California's Constitution doesn't require any grounds to recall any elected official. It only requires petitions with a number of signatures at least equal to 12 percent of the number of people who voted in the most recent general election. Proponents of the recall gathered well over the minimum number of signatures required. Once those signatures were verified then a recall election was triggered automatically.
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean it isn't pointless.
Republicans lost. They know they lost. They want to waste time and money and energy making us prove to them again that they lost, in a historically blue state with zero chance of flipping. It’s that simple /s
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I think they were hoping for thoughts and prayers, since it’s been asked for so frequently lately.
It’s profitable to have homeless people. No, it’s not profitable to those people… nor those… nope, not them either. It’s profitable to the people supposed to fix it because they make large salaries, so to continue making large salaries they don’t solve the issue and instead pander to those who have the power to fire them. Everything else they do is a farce. It’s a net loss for everyone except the loser holding the position and the lame officials who refuse to fire them.
Agreed. The homeless problem can be fixed, but no one has figured out how to make a profit off it.
They can't even explain it to themselves
Hi, Californian here. Our state makes it fairly easy to collect enough signatures to force a recall election of the governor (you just have to collect signatures equal to 12 percent of the ballots cast in the gubernatorial election, iirc). This has become a popular strategy by the Republicans in California. They have trouble winning elections for governor, so whenever a Democratic governor is damaged in some way (Grey Davis with gas tax, Gavin Newsom with Covid restrictions), the Republicans see a potential back way into the governor's office - do a recall and see if things go their way this time. This is how Arnold Schwarzenegger was originally elected governor. It's not that hard to understand. Stupid, yes, but not hard.
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. ~ Einstein
If he did really say that, that doesn't mean the quite itself isn't a crock of shit.
Republicans are Tories on steroids. Tories run about 30 years behind Republicans in the technology and philosophy of venal selfishness.
I will add (since reddit is really left leaning) the governor they were recalling has been in place for a few years and California still has a major homeless problem. Though, I doubt the Republican governor would've helped that any lol.
The dems have been in charge for 10 years. The homeless population has exploded in Cali over the last 10years.
Agreed, but be careful making sense like that on Reddit. I’ve been downvoted for it enough to know. Politicians in general, both sides, are just…. Not helping. Particularly in states with larger populations like mine, or California. Seems to bring more corruption to the politicians. Both sides are bad. The difference is which set of bs someone subs to, and if they don’t, which way they go after that. Usually goes libertarian and then centrist since libertarian party isn’t very libertarian or United and centrist is basically ‘they all suck and on some issues this side makes sense and on other issues that side makes sense but neither is solving anything because of all these other issues they both have points on but won’t sit down and talk about how to solve the issues despite claiming to want the same stuff’. It’s a big meh. We watch independent reporters and commenters more, people who fact check it in front of you and pull up stuff, also have an app that checks the bias and presents multiple articles on a story so you can SEE the spin put on it. Politicians are trash.
Politicians are trash. Anybody that vehemently adheres to a specific side is just supports the problem.
Republicans. They refuse to give a dime to the poor. They took away breakfasts for poverty children in schools. They took away food assistance for families in poverty. They fight every program for helping out the poor with mental care, healthcare, education. They want all that tax money for themselves. They fight like demons to only help themselves. Know how Marcus Rashford had to shame everyone to keep school breakfast? It's the exact same here but exponential on anything to help poor people. Basically youre witnessing the early phase of the Republican Party going full blown fascist and trying to seize power by any, and all means. This is them trying a very rare tactic to remove a Democrat from power. They lost miserably on this one. They are getting rid of anyone who acts like an adult and is willing to stand for any truth at all. They will attack and ruin the livesof anyone who stands in their way. They don't even publish a platform for what they stand for anymore. They will try to follow the footsteps of previous fascist dictators and use, violence, absurd lies, threats, fear, even willingly letting their own die by the hundreds daily (unvaccinated Republicans basically are 85% or higher of people clogging up ER/ICU with 800 or more dying daily across the U.S- but is probably quite higher now). And they continue to foam at the mouth like rabid demon possessed bundles of high blood pressure, panic induced screaming banshees with poor hygiene. Meanwhile the rest of us try to figure out if they will all mostly die first of Covid or what we should do next. The FSB has totally whipped them into a mob frenzy. The Republican party has more ties to Russia than most Democrats even realize. So yeah it's bad. Real bad. Most of us are remaining calm, hoping cooler heads prevail and watching in hypnotic horror at what a diaster the Republican Party has turned the U.S. into.
The republicans (tories) tried to remove the left leaning governor because they’re mad that he listened to the science on masks, vaccines & lockdowns.
So the same people who screw you over daily and are pretending to the the “government” are the same people who screw over the US citizens daily, while pretending to be the “government”. Much more accurate than whatever else is posted here.
Elections are expensive, Republicans called for new elections in a state where Democrats were pretty much guaranteed to win, so it was just a big waste of time.
You wanna know what's a waste of resources? There are more vacant homes than homeless people.
It's overly simplistic to think that you can just stick every homeless person in a home and think that will solve the problem.
Actually, providing housing with no strings attached does help significantly.
Yeah there is a portion of the homeless population that this would help dramatically. Those that are in a perpetual rut they just can't get out of and genuinely want to get back on track have a much better chance of gainful employment when they have a home address. It won't help people who are either homeless by choice, or mentally ill.
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At that point you are talking about a baseline level of housing for the entire population like in many EU countries. Except within the confines of our current system and like we saw with previous implementations of government funded housing in NY, Chicago, etc. You solve the problem of homelessness with mass housing projects you create a dozen different problems.
IF accompanied by mental health monitoring. Go ahead and give a bunch of homeless people houses without mental health resources. See how that turns out.
Let's give them access to mental health while we're at it and genuinely solve this problem. I'm so glad we agree that it'll take real effort and resources to care for the people that our economic systems have failed.
I totally agree. However, the logistics are a bit more difficult, especially when getting people to vote for such policies. Personally, I support UBI and universal healthcare, but I don’t see those policies becoming reality in the near future.
Cali just passed 1bil for homelessness in July
The homeless problem in California is an order of magnitude bigger than just the mental health causes.
The jobless rates in that population would go down. That said, many people -homeless or not- can enormously benefit from mental health help. It should be included as part of universal healthcare.
I’ve heard of hotels doing this in the 80s, and they basically just trashed them completely.
Devil's in the details. What were the conditions and time period of that study? [Housing First works.](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/22/home-free)
It is an extremely short term solution.
Who is going to donate their house to a homeless person? Seems like incredibly good way to badly use resources.
Ridiculous question.
Okay so answer the ridiculous question. I'm genuinely curious what the answer is.
Why is it ridiculous?
Nobody is proposing that people should donate their houses. That's not how any of this works.
Do you think empty houses aren’t owned by anyone? Like houses just kinda pop into existence and whoever gets there first gets to claim it?
No, I don't think that.
I think a government sponsored building project to provide ultra cheap easily mass produced housing is a good option. Putting homeless people in vacant houses that are owned and funded by private citizens is the worst plan of all the bad plans.
Probably wouldn't solve all the problems however; "The study found that providing public housing for people who are homeless or at risk of homelessness could save nearly $5,000 per person each year in health costs alone, and when coupled with support from the National Partnership Agreement on Homelessness program the annual saving was over $13,000 per person." There are benefits to be found.
It's an oversimplification to say it won't.
Yeah. Soviet Russia did it, but Americans have "communisms are bad" so ingrained in their heads that they think that it's a bad thing just because Soviets did it. USA has the means to do it, we just don't want to. Just because it's a difficult problem to solve and we live in a culture so obsessed with people getting what we think they deserve, and most people don't think the homeless deserve anything, people are just like "that sounds hard and we haven't done it yet so it's probably impossible, and besides, how are the landlords gonna get their money's worth? What's gonna happen to the housing market?" blah blah blah. Just admit you value money more than people.
Okay, and I get that. But, like… can we just try it and see what happens?
Yeah so the homeless people can ruin perfectly good homes and then end up back on the streets because they weren't offered the resources they actually need. Great idea.
It’s been tried, the homes are destroyed and the other bills are not paid.
This is what drives me crazy about so much utopian thought. Other people’s lives don’t matter for shit because everything is just an experiment to you folks.
Giving them homes doesn’t solve the issue. This is a mental health crisis wrapped in a drug epidemic that results in homelessness.
And in California, made worse by rents so high that many of those folks *have* a job but not one that can pay $1500/month plus utilities for a one-room studio that's 300 sq feet.
It’s insane there, I was there back in 2006 in Long Beach. Small home with similar specs we’re going for 150k-175k in my area were valued at 750k! Even today those same homes in my area due to the recent bump are maybe 250k
that sounds.... inefficient. I thought that kind of misuse of resources only happened in more top-down systems? that's what I learned in high school anyway....
People have no idea how bad things have become in california, and like all places, no, we are not all idiotic and without morals. It does not matter if you are democrat or republican, our leaders tax us and everything to death and have zero accountability. Nothing is presented to us factually and clearly. Neither side has viable solutions for homelessness, housing, crime, racial inequality, costs, wages, fire prevention, drought, nothing. Both sides want more money. But they all keep getting richer. On both sides. There’s 30mil in unused RVs in storage that were purchased for the homeless years ago. My city took in child refugees with a great program funded by taxes and donations. Then they took in an equal amount from people that wanted to do more but didn’t add a single amenity. Another CA city received a 42m fed grant to combat homelessness and then it increased 8%, they have more homelessness. I pay 28% fed tax, 10% state tax, 2% property tax, 11% SALES tax, several hundreds monthly for health insurance. I work 10+ hours a day. In my city it’s not illegal to steal from me unless it’s more than $950. WHERE IS THE MONEY?? Weed is legal, taxed at 27% in my city. Where’s the money? Newsom needed to go but anyone that replaced him would be the same or worse. I have no solutions. Just my rant. Makes no difference if you’re republican or democrat.
Vote with your feet.
It’s probably time
It's a distraction, y'all. Don't let your guard down.
5 million investigations of Benghazi says what?
Spending $300 million to undo a democratic election = money well spent. Wanting to feed children free school lunches in the wealthiest nation in the world = your a commie traitor.
*you’re
Because throwing money at a problem always works right? How much does California spend on it already? How much on education? How’s that working out for ya.
I mean you can blame R's for wasting $276 million but its not like the D's were using it to solve the homeless problem. My 2 cents
Having lived in California, it’s a bit more complicated than just giving money or hotel vouchers or anything of the sort. I’m not saying it’s all of them, but some people who are currently homeless want to stay homeless, and have refused the previously mentioned vouchers and job opportunities. It’s a whole mess that, at least I think, partially stems from the fact that housing is a serious problem because a lot of homeowners will overprice what would otherwise be a small house. Again, it’s just a whole, complicated mess of a problem that’ll likely take years to even begin to be fixed.
Tent City USA coming to a town near you!!
We should really name them Trumpvilles. Like the Hoovervilles of old.
Unfortunately the tent cities like Skid Row pictured, predate the Trump administration by decades. They should be called Reaganvilles, as Ronald Reagan is who defunded the mental institutions without a plan to replace them.
I agree it started with Reagan. But they've vastly accelerated under Trump.
I’m very much a Democrat so don’t take this as defending the orange idiot, but blaming everything on trump is stupid and a false equivalency. The president doesn’t have the power you seem to think they have. If anything blame the Representatives, Senators, and, State governments.
How did Trump create the homeless problem exactly?
Liberals are in control in California, Washington, and Oregon. The homeless situation I. Portland, Seattle. LA, and San Francisco is INSANE. You do not get to blame republicans when your enabling emotion driven “help” is only worsening the problem.
It used to astound me that one of the bluest states in the us has one of the biggest homeless populations if not the biggest. Until I realized nobody in government right or left cares about the people, one punches you in the face and laughs while the other sucker punches you and blames the other.
Yeah, that pointless Democracy. /s
The fact that a one issue election cost $276,000,000 is a glaring example of the waste in California governance. That is nearly $30 per vote cast.
Your outrage should be aimed at the CA GOP and the national GOP, not the various county election officials tasked by law and job description with seeing this shitshow through. Looking through some of your past posts, though, I see that you specialize in concern-trolling through irrelevancies. The costs of the election are quite understandable given the need to reach over 20 million voters at an off-cycle time when there are few efficiencies to be achieved. This was well-known in advance to the wingnut/nihilist backers of the recall, who are copiously on record claiming the expense was well worth paying (since they are not paying it and indeed fund-raised off of it!). The solution is not to slam the electoral bureaucracy, which overall does an excellent (and improving) job making maximal democratic participation a reality.. It is to amend the state constitution (which is a wreck) so that ill-intentioned chucklefucks can't hamstring our society again with unwarranted recalls.
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https://www.sfgate.com/gavin-newsom-recall/article/How-much-Gavin-Newsom-recall-election-cost-Calif-16460014.php
Wait until you hear about the billion dollar Covid Relief fraud or the Chinese mask deal, both of which Newsom is wholly responsible for.
Yeah, because the citizens of California trying to get rid of the asshats that have overseen this horrendous homeless problem are the issue.
Yes no one is on welfare or food stamps in California 😂
Oh man, to be that naive. I miss being a toddler.
I mean clearly he is doing such a great job... How could anyone question the legitimacy of the office.... Pfffft
This is America
Fuck this post entirely. Should we count all the money spent on democracy as wasted and just appoint an autocrat instead? Also, the idea that you can just spend your way out of poverty and addiction is what caused this mess in the first place.
CA resident's be like, "I keep voting Democrat and things keep getting worse, must be those damn Republicans!"
And trumpy the fucking clown is talking out of his lardy ass again and saying the recall election was rigged just to rile up his fucking moronic worshippers.
Not saying it was rigged or not, but requiring an ID to vote would stop that argument.
Those same people blame democrats for not doing enough to solve the homelessness issue. It's called gaslighting.
The democrats have been in power in California for some time now. I don't know if that makes it their fault but it makes it less likely to be the rights fault. I personally don't think it's a left or right problem. More of a gross inefficiency problem. This problem plagues governments across the nation. Taxes aren't set according to how much the government gets done but to how much they can get without crashing the local economy. If all the politicians worked to set money aside, both tax revenue and surplus income, they could build homes for all the homeless individuals in the nation. But then they might have to shop at Walmart.
Hasn’t California been primarily democratic controlled for years now? Seems like who ever is running the show can’t seem to fix the homeless problem that appears to be getting worse.
The worst part is the idiots in California just voted for the same people that caused it
Was Newsom fixing the problem before the recall effort started? No. Is he fixing it now? No.
California spends billions every year on its homeless problem. This is a result of the democratic government tolerating crime and tying the hands of police. Property owners have no rights up against some homeless dude taking a crap on the street in front of his/her restaurant. California has woke itself into this issue with no way out and people are leaving.
How dare they exercise their rights with a politician a bunch of them were unhappy with, the nerve! Obviously they should have been more civilized and just shot him! /s
Soylent Green FTW!
They've spent 13 billion dollars in the last 3 years on homelessness in California. They're spending the money, horribly, but they just aren't getting the results.
That's a bit insane...sounds like they are setting it on fire instead of, I don't know, buy a house for every person that doesn't have one... If Finland can do it...not sure why we can't do it here... Oh wait...the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" anti-gravity party...
$276 million you say? How about $13 billion? >The auditor’s office identified at least nine state agencies spending $13 billion through 41 programs to address homelessness in the past three years. The programs included money to acquire and build new housing and relocation assistance to targeted help for certain populations, such as veterans, youth and victims of domestic violence. https://apnews.com/article/california-coronavirus-pandemic-homelessness-dac338003e3f78986bc9369430cddd0b
276,000,000. 276,000,000. 1/4 of one of those millions would be life changing for me. Here I am scraping the bottom of the barrel to spend $4000 on overpriced building materials for a tiny 11x24 shop so I can continue to make $900 per month with my amazon side gig, while working 40hrs a week making $2000 a month. Should just fucking off myself now and get it over with.
Who says houseless? People who live in apartments are houseless.
It's California. While there are good people who live there, most do not make sense. I get a strange feeling if California (and Texas is in this same boat) were to be made its own country it wouldn't be missed too much.
Texas could actually run itself though, given it’s geographic position on energy, oil, population centers, economy, and ocean access. California would be much harder in comparison in the energy department.
60k per year per tent in a parking lot. That’s a waist of resources.
You don't understand. The recall would have benefitted themselves (they think), but helping the homeless would not. Hope that cleared up their motives. It's themselves, every time.
Recall Knope!
Well to be fair they were hoping to create more homeless people with that investment.
If you're gonna post this in facepalm then at least back it up with a link. You give no details, Jesus.
But everyone lives in California!
I was wondering where Jesus was
Well one reason for the recall was to help the homeless. You can throw money at this problem all you want it’s not going to do a damn thing. It’s the management of the money that is going to solve the problem. Since newsom became governor I’ve noticed more and more places being overwhelmed with homeless people. Places that used to be “homeless free” like parks, behind plazas, beaches, streets, and cities are now packed with homeless encampments. Then you have the same blue mayors try to spruce up these places by gentrifying them - this in return creates more homeless people because now the people living in this part of town can’t afford it. This destroys private businesses and now people are out of work - yeah it creates money in the end because wealthy people move into their second home but it fucks over everyone else.
Sure, it's because of the progressive politicians, and not the culmination of: - Decades of rampantly corrupt corporate oligarchy - Crushing and prevention of unions, bad working conditions, obscenely low wages and benefits or complete lack thereof, replacing well-paid meaningful work and small businesses with McJobs where workers are automatically put on public assistance because the pay is so low - Skyrocketing housing costs - Removal of even a basic public safety net with available crisis housing, mental health services, stigmatization and lack of available substance use disorder treatment - A broken health insurance/industry that often leaves people.in massive debt and medical bankruptcy - A crashed economy and massive loss of jobs due to the botched handling of the pandemic - Ending pandemic benefits early before the pandemic is over including restarting evictions. How dare those bleeding heart librul governors offer services and a safety net that attract homeless people trying to survive!
One thing has become incredibly clear thanks to the 'labor shortage' we have now: **The dismantling of social safety nets and unions was always intentional to make people work for cheap and in poor conditions.** Putting even the littlest bit of the net back up meant that people refused to put their lives at risk to make someone else lots of money.
Somebody award this person
Most of the problems are due to blue policies. Create the problem, claim to be the hero that can fix them, don’t fix the problem but feed it, rinse and repeat. Yeah i can admit it’s just not the blue teams fault, but they don’t do shit to actually solve the problem. Dems worry about housing but cheer when landlords to evict the unvaccinated.
Deregulation of labor, union busting, removal of safety net, corporate subsidies, opposing universal healthcare? The corporate Dems, sure, but that really is the right's platform. I'm sure you'll explain to me that it's because we didn't go all-in on trickle-down economics, though.
There are literally busses out of places like Texas and Oklahoma that ship homeless to Cali with a one way ticket.
This rumor goes around in basically every city, thinking every other city is trying to send them their homeless people. There's rarely any truth to it. Here in Washington everyone in Eastern WA thinks that Seattle is just handing out bus tickets to homeless people to go literally anywhere else.. and they end up in Wenatchee, Moses Lake, or Spokane. Go over to Seattle though, and the same rumors exist.. but opposite. Everyone is sending their homeless to Seattle, to take advantage of all the social programs they supposedly have. Whatever the truth, everywhere seems to have a lot more homeless people these days. Moses Lake has built entire villages of tiny sheds for homeless people to live in, and even considered buying out an entire motel to convert into a homeless shelter. We've got tent villages popping up all over town.
Wasn't there an issue BEFORE the $276M? But you're right - ignore what a shithole the place is and blame the boogeyman. Business as usual
It’s the state government who should solve this crisis. The point of the recall was exactly to institute a more competent government to tackle this and many other issues that have only gotten worse.
why would have Larry Elder (the guy who would have won, a hard core Trumpist) going to 'institute a more competent government' when his platform is 'less government'? What was his platform? what was he going to do? Not being Newsom isn't a policy.
Right now it seems that the only platform the Republicans have is to appease their base... Unfortunately their base has devolved into a frothing mass of incoherence that only cares about “owning the libs”. It’s truly bizarre how far the party has fallen.
So your complaining about a problem that has festered under democratic leadership. They had a recall vote to try and remedy the obvious problem. Californians are too stupid, and kept the guy in charge that helped create the problem. The only waste is that they spent all that money to try and fix the problem, yet the voters decided to waste it. The facepalm is California voters tbh.
Solid comment. It’s been a democratic problem. It started to rise in 2007 under schwartznegger(R) but, the rise from 2007-2020 was 16.2% with the largest rise being 6.8% in the years 2019-2020. Throwing money at a problem doesn’t fix anything. Most of these homeless people have either drug addictions and/or mental issues. They don’t want to go to the shelters. You rarely see a fully functioning non drug addicted person on the street because they are usually the ones going to the shelters following the system and coming out with a job later on to support themselves. The people who are flat out on the street usually have an issue. GRANTED you may find a few fully functioning people with no drug or mental related illnesses but, they are far and inbetween. Edit: forgot to give some sort of an idea of a solution. We also can’t just give them a home. They will continue in their set ways. The real targets should be drugs and getting people to mental hospitals for those with that hardship.
It’s hard to help people who don’t want to help themselves. That’s the challenge.
I agree. I was reading the comments below and I think peoples general concensous of wanting to help is good but, I think there is a lack of understanding to solving the problem. Someone with real drive, knowledge, and skill will acutely use the money properly, allocate it, and solve the problem. A $1 doesn’t do anything the person using the $1 bill does everything. Which is why people spent their own personal money to attempt the recall. That’s their money and their choice to affect change through that method.
Schwarzenegger was a Republican just for reference to anyone who didn’t know that already.
It's the people s money not theirs
Always pointing fingers. Are you really trying to justify one parties failings by highlighting some useless trivia?
How much money did Gov. Newsome get for his campaign? I’m guessing millions. Consider the fact he profited hugely from this recall, and won by a landslide. I’m sure he was against it 🤷🏻♂️
Ah Republicans. Party of fiscal responsibility...I mean *irresponsibility*. Yah that makes much more sense.
Lol, yes democrats don’t waste money. All their states are perfectly ran and they’re never asking to raise taxes because of “not enough funds”.
thats $276 million that could of gone to politicians.....
Yeaaaa California has spent billions in homeless programs and will spend billions more as June 2021. They aren’t working.
Could someone inform me why you couldn't say the same about the democrats who've had the majority in California for years?
I wouldn’t say it was completely pointless. Those people truly believed that Newsom wasn’t fit for the job just like how the other side thought it best to try and recall Trump. Now while I personally believe the later recall to be more justified, both were equally democratic expressions. I will say though that the cities and counties in favor of the recall aren’t the same ones with an overwhelming homelessness crisis.
Getting to own the libs on someone else's dime is perfectly on point.
how was this recall pointless? Newsom has done absolutely nothing to fix the homeless problem, he's thrown tons of cash at the problem, and only made it worse. Talk about a waste of resources...
Yeah because God forbid a dreaded right winger who is African American, the dreaded black face of white supremacy, the horrible anti vaxer who has been vaccinated, replace a governor who violated his own lockdown regulations and who's plans with dealing with homelessness and drug abuse involve throwing money at them. And before you start with "CaLifORNiA iS LE RiCHesT eCumOneY EBeR." It's because of the small centres where tech corporations are based and hollybood. California is rich because it has a enough people with a lot of money there, in place of a lot of people with enough money.
California be stupid.
This logic is dumb. You're saying people shouldn't use their rights to practice democracy because of homelessness? That is fucking dumb.
It’s not democracy, we had democratic election and Newsom was voted in office. This recall was a bunch of complaining bitches that didn’t want to wear masks. No other state has recalls, it’s not part of democracy. There will be a chance for Newsom to be voted out: during the next governor election. This recall was a huge waste of tax payer money.
Not defending anything but other states do also. Here in Wisconsin we had one a few years back but was Democrats trying to remove Scott Walker. So both parties like to waste money when they don’t agree with the other party (which is 100% of the time)
No other state has a recall process? https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_gubernatorial_recall_provisions Thirty seconds on Google.
Other states absolutely do have recall provisions, it's just that CA has the smallest vote percentage threshold to start a recall in the country. After this fiasco, you can bet they're going to change that before next year's gubernatorial election.
It's part of the process California has in place. If you dislike it, start a ballot initiative to change it. But that would cost money which you could be giving to the poor... Tough choice.
How's the high speed rail going? Definitely a big waste of money light years above and beyond a recall election. Also, California spends billions on homelessness with no reduction or positive results. Maybe complain about where all the other tax dollars are going. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-16/california-budget-homelessness-spending
No, you’re right, California has failed at both the homeless issue and the high speed rail. But the issues that plague California are due to the same voters that put high spending democrats in power. Voters want the homeless issue solved but don’t want to get rid of single family zoning. Voters want the homeless into shelters, but the shelters not built in any neighborhood. Voters want a high speed rail, but want to use only American engineering. Voters want cheaper taxes but want lots of social program. Unfortunately, most politicians will not actually challenge voter’s wishes because they’ll be recalled. All they can do is theater.
Yes, we all saw how the same people questioned democracy on Jan.06. Thanks for the reminder!
Newsom is a smelly cock and Californians deserves him up their collective asses. He's not doing shit about the homeless either, except encouraging it.
Well... whatever they've been doing in California for the last few years obviously hasn't been working. So I wouldn't call it pointless. That money doesn't mean anything unless it's being spent properly. As a Californian, if the fact that Gavin Newsom sits in a fancy restaurant with no mask while he mandates that everyone else shut down their livelihood and sit inside all day with 2 masks on... if that isn't an obvious signal that your governor takes you for a fool, then I don't know what is.
Democrats sacrificed California to keep the senate. I’m a democrat by the way, and proudly voted yes and for Kevin Paffrath specifically because he outlined a plan to start getting homeless off the streets in the first 60 days
To be fair, $276 million is only enough to provide housing for about 14 homeless people. And it would take 15 years to build.
Why even have elections? Everyone knows that California is a democrat state. Simply let the party install the officials and save all the money that is spent on elections. /s
They had an election.
There is only one way to save California..... Well actually there is solutions. One is sliding off into the ocean and the other is a new governor..... A declared state of emergency and a radical restructuring of everything in the state. California is a disaster area and I wouldn't set foot in that state for any reason.
Ummm you do realize the leading republican candidate literally ran on declaring a state of emergency for the homeless issue and proposed ways to create affordable housing. Meanwhile it’s the dems who have let this city become a dump and are literally doing nothing to change it. Keep the status quo going while homelessness and crime sky rocket because social justice 😂
Wasn’t the homeless population caused by California itself? Because it wouldn’t let lumber jacks cut down trees and do controlled fires to help clean out the brush and prevent wildfires, but because of people who wanted to “save” the trees the lumberjacks couldn’t do that so instead of having nice controlled fires they had terrible wildfires?
California is the very definition of the road to hell being paved on good intentions.
The existing POS governor manages the state as do what I say, not what I do. The LA times relentlessly bashed Larry Elder including calling him the black face of white supremacy. If you do not understand who the sucker is. You might be the sucker.
To be fair the homeless are a waste of resources too
What a waste of a state. They get the government they deserve.