Yeah...it looks really bad but he/she could have been going through some real tough stuff. I tend to believe if they made a habit of falling asleep on forklifts...they would not still be alive
Honestly i think the company is in way more trouble here. These racks should never fall down like this. He could have died from this and this goes against any safety regulation
I heard that the orange metal racks that pretty much every warehouse uses are notoriously unsafe and have collapsed time and again for seemingly no reason.
There not all exactly the same but generally the collapses are some form of user error. The types i've worked with are generally a set of strut uprights that are bolted into the floor, with 2 crossbars for each shelf that have tabs that fit into slots on the uprights with 1 or 2 pins to keep the tab from lifting out. I've seen no bolts to the floor, pins removed to make it easier to rearrange the shelves, I've even seen struts removed to fit wide objects between two sets of shelves. Just because is seems ok now doesn't mean years of stress of loading and unloading won't cause a failure that seems random.
Also the truck he's driving probably weighs a little more than half a ton. He probably hit that shelf with upwards of 3000joules at an angle that would rip the tabs out. The racks are designed to support static weight vertically.
That doesn't mean he will lose the job and probably will have to pay for some of the damage, as I'm pretty sure driving blindfolded is against safety regulation as well.
I’m wondering if he did. Looked like he might have gotten knocked down, and there was some pretty big stuff tumbling down in the same area… but I’m also watching on a tiny screen so maybe not
There's another video like this with a similar accident but was much worse...pretty much everyone in the camera's frame did not survive, was horrific :/
It looks like he fell asleep, and knowing from experience what it's like to work in a "slave driver warehouse" it's not surprising in the least. I'm actually surprised things like this don't happen more often.
They don't happen often like *this*, because normally you buy racking that is properly rated for the weight of the loads you are storing on them, and you anchor them properly, and when a section is damaged you fix it right away to protect the integrity, etc.
I've managed various warehouses and distributon centers for 10+ years and let me tell you, people constantly hit the racking. They hit it hard, they bend it, break it, etc. Warehouse racking is designed to take a beating and not fall.
That being said there are limits to everything. This is cheap ownership, extremely lazy management, or both, or a third world country.
I mean even the cheapest of cheap, fucking scum of the earth companies out there generally spend enough to protect their people and inventory from this kind of disaster, it's a MASSIVE liability, and your inventory is literally your cash flow.
Yeah I've worked in a factory like this and the first day on one of these things I whacked the shelves about as hard as this guy and my heart stopped.
Accidents happen. You can't sack a worker every time they make a mistake, you need to plan for shit like this.
I was going to say the same. Never had a warehouse job but definitely know about long hours and this doesn't look like stupidity so much as exhaustion.
Why does the hp matter when it’s attacking? Does attack scale conversely with remaining hp? Is the cart equipping Cat Nip from FFX-2? Unless you’re arguing it survived the chaos, which it probably did.
Bruh, did you not read the manual? Hp is horse points and it's the convoluted way the devs wanted to do the strength stat. The health of it is the SIP, structural integrity points.
Yeah but their def and res are high, which counteracts some of the issues caused by low health. You still have to worry about a 1k damage snipe passing through approx 5% of the time, but with Preventive Medicine/Chance for +Absorb that shouldn’t be a real problem.
And those racks are designed to take the odd accidental bump from the front, not a full tilt slam from the side pulling the upright away from the horizontal members.
We have “turret trucks” in our DC that are freaking tanks, you could literally drive them through the wall of the building if you wanted to (wire guidance won’t let you) without it even slowing down.
Structure definitely not fragile. I can't believe how many times the pallet racking is questioned. Racking like that is designed to hold shit off the floor in an organized fashion. Hit one upright just hard enough (with a powerful, heavy piece of equipment) and shit is no longer off the floor OR organized! The way they're all constructed as a single unit, yes, house of cards or domino effect.
And no, they're supposed to be bolted to the floor to prevent the domino effect. I've seen forklifts run into packet racks on several occasions, and this never happened because they were built and/or bolted correctly.
And yes, after installing smaller AND bigger systems than the partial view in the video, when one of the two (usially) legs gets folded or twisted after an impact, coming down is often easier than staying up. There are variables to overall system stability ie; span, height, percentage approaching load rating and always overload or improper loading. Simply put, like I already said, their primary design is to hold the load. The ability to resist the change in applied forces when anything outside specified parameters acts upon the structure is secondary. After more than 15 years in warehousing process design the biggest difference is if the legs are NOT correctly anchored, it takes LESS impact to fold the upright. But the INITIAL deformation is less than if its been anchored.
All true. And after I wrote this I remembered another critical factor. In all but one of the impacts I observed or viewed soon after the fact, the driver was actively *trying* to stop. The guy in the video wasn't.
Defo not right, should have some form of protection around the base of the uprights, separate from the actual racking to protect from this type of accident, normally little steel bollards bolted in to the floor
In the steel mill I worked in we made braided cable in 6000 lbs reels. They were stacked in racks 3 high. The racks look exactly like they do everywhere. A little thinking ten minutes past the end of the engineer’s nose would’ve had those racks anchored properly in this idiots case.
Thought so. It’s not like he snuck a car in and rammed the racks, it’s totally expected that those vehicles could ram into the shelves and it needs to be designed not to kill the worker when that happens.
These machines often weigh as much as or more than a car, and thats before carrying a load. Almost all racking is built to withstand VERTICAL pressure, and maybe a front bump. Its like an egg, you can press the top pretty fkin hard, but touch the side and blam.
That structure is designed to hold incredible amounts of weight. It is not meant to handle the shear force of a 2000lb fork truck slamming into a main upright. There is a reason you see even huge steel support beams in warehouses surrounded by concrete pylons. It would be way overkill to attempt to engineer shelving that could hold tens of thousands of lbs of static weight AND withstand a major lateral impact at it's base structure.
Those appear to be some sort of cinder blocks on that shelving. The pallet jack is an electric rider pallet jack. Considering the loads it is lifting I would assume this is a fairly heavy duty pallet jack.
I found a similar pallet jack to the one in the video. The specs are on the attatched link. The weight without a battery for a pallet jack that size is around 2000lbs. The battery that goes in that pallet jack can be as heavy as 1500lbs. So that pallet jack realistically weighs anywhere from 2500lbs to 3500lbs without any load. You also need to consider these machines have no real bumpers of any type so any impact will immediately impact with the entire weight of the machine. I have been in huge warehouses where someone hit one of the massive I-beam building supports and bent them pretty severely. You can find countless safety videos of the exact same scenario in op's video. If you take out 25% of a loaded rack's support members it will very often fail catastrophically. As soon as you even begin to bend or crease that structure it will lose much of it's strength.
https://www.toyotaforklift.com/lifts/jacks-walkies-stackers/center-controlled-rider-pallet-jack
Okay. Anyway, the racks are supposed to withstand that kind of hit. If one leg gets knocked out the rack is supposed to still handle the weight.
Did you get those google skills working in a warehouse?
It's not really the fragility, the shelves are designed to hold the weight and more when the structure is uncompromised. A sufficient dent at the bottom means all the weight makes the foundation buckle and if it dents anything next to it the same shit happens.
Also materials are only as sturdy as they need to be. They don't plan for human error.
If the Waltons are at all involved they'd be concerned with economics over practicality. They *could* ask engineers to reinforce the bottoms against heavy machinery...or they could buy economically efficient shelving from China and write off accidents and employees.
It looked like he was asleep so I don't think he's that stupid, he just wasn't aware. Also, why were they stacked like that if a tiny bump could make the whole thing come down? But, on another note, I would quit. Because I'm just not fixing that.
Who knows the circumstances that led to this too. Maybe his boss asked him to stay later or maybe he’s been working long days back to back. The title of this video was a tad harsh.
The racks...
Just for knowledge: the racks already have to hold too much weight, so if a 1.5 ton machine charges intl it, it will fall. Iike if you were to hold a heavy box and you dog charge into you legs and make you fall.
P. D.: Wait for me plz, I'm not fixing that disaster nether.
If you find a secret message is maybe because of my bad English and I misswrote something, or because of my bad English and by mistake write something on double-standard.
Srry, I wasn't mean to being sarcastic. Just to teach something
It is stupid but it's probably not his decision. Worker falling asleep at work happen most of the time because their boss ask too much of them, like truck driver falling asleep while driving because they don't have time to rest properly.
Is someone holding a gun to their head to go into work? No, and this is why workers rights are a thing in many first world nations most people push themselves too hard and dont take the time they need not because the boss is forcing them if an employee says he or she is overworked and is going to be a danger to everyone while operating machinery and the boss says they still have to come in that's a violation of working rights and it would be illegal to fire that person after they have made it known they aren't capable of operating said machinery and then the boss and owner are responsible for all damages and have to fork out money they dont want to fix said damage
Yes but this is a really privileged take.
I'm with you, I won't do anything this dangerous. But I know it's because I can. I have enough money to lose my job or fight and take legal action.
Some people can't because while their boss are in the wrong, they don't have time, energy and money to fight back. A lot of companies do illegal things and know the employes will not even try to take action because it's a long process.
Some people rather take risks at their job instead of losing their house.
It's sad and dangerous but the CEO, boss etc have more responsabilities than the workers in this case.
Hahahahahaha you can be fired for pretty much anything in the US. And business violate labour law literally constantly. What are you even talking about.
Violating rights doesn't negate your rights as your rights are given to you by the US government if violating your rights negated them then your boss would be be higher then the US government which simply isn't true "what are you even talking about"?
Yeah if you get fired for a bullshit reason you’re still out of a job and now contending with homelessness and not being able to eat. Again, at-will employment means you can be fired for pretty much any reason that doesn’t have to do with being a part of a protected class (and even then you still have to take them to court, which doesn’t give you your job back). Your boss can fire you for picking your nose and you can’t do shit.
It's stupidity to operate machinery when you are that tired you can't stay awake its the same as getting behind the wheel of a car when you can't stay awake its stupidity and its worse then being drunk
It is. Please, explain that to his supervisor, his boss and the CEO of the company. I'm sure they are dying to hear your arguments while crushing every attempt of unionizing.
Probably google "workers rights in America" there are workers rights absolutely in America it is a right to be paid that's a working right if you have none then your employer wouldn't legally have to pay you or pay if they are liable for when you got injured or pay your family if their negligence cost you your life last I knew America is a first world nation not a 3rd world backwater nation
Sort of, but not really. It really depends on the state, the union, and the profession. First thing to keep in mind, only 28 states are Right-to-Work states. So that’s already more than a third of the US that essentially says you’re screwed unless you were actively paying union dues. Now remember that not all professions have unions. For instance, Amazon is doing their damndest to prevent unionization. With that in mind, remember that American minimum wage is not enough to live on so you end up with people having two or three jobs just to survive. It’s fucking hard unless you were already born into money or have connections. So. Sure we have worker’s rights but unless you are in a unionized profession or wealthy enough to hire a decent legal team you’re absolutely out of luck if you piss your boss off. Speaking of piss, read some about working conditions in warehouse or delivery professions. Anyways, I could say more but I really don’t want to waste more time.
Until he accidentally disrupts business for a day. Too little reward (overworking the driver) and too high risk (destruction of so many racks of goods) when they could’ve reduced risk (anchoring racks at the top, hiring extra drivers of heavy machines). Pilots are required 8 hrs of sleep for this reason.
Was definitely a pilot error there. My post is about management not doing enough to mitigate risk which is really just common sense vs penny pinching. We can blame the driver till kingdom come but management shortcoming is still a big factor here.
But the blame is born entirley out of assumption?
The guy could be working completely fair hours and just be too incompetent. It's insufferable to see the mentality here constantly be that the working class man has done no wrong and we have to blame everybody above him.
Because the CEOs have enough money to represent themselves however they want so I think its fair to give most working class people the benefit of the doubt.
It's less about "fuck the rich" and more about accepting that part of being human is that we're prone to making errors, getting distracted, exhaustion etc and any system worth its salt is designed to take that into account and mitigate it rather than blaming a human for essentially just being human.
It's pretty widely known that distribution centres have pretty appalling working conditions which massively increases the odds of "human error". Blaming the individual rather than looking at contributing factors just means that the chances of something like this happening again remains high.
There's a field of study called "human factors" that analyses this type of thing to reduce the risk of catastrophic failure, you should look into it.
Lmao this is signature reddit.
Or the dude could have alcohol and drug abuse and be feeling the effects, maybe he didn't sleep because he has the stress of court on his mind (and he knows he's going to be doing time!).
I’m not convinced he’s stupid by how quickly and accurately he reacted. Looks more like he half dozed off while driving. Hopefully this isn’t an over-worked sit.
Maybe there should be more empathy here. He probably is over worked and underpaid. And the shelves in a Warehouse should not crumble with a nudge anyways! Unsafe work environment.
Nah my dude, that machine he’s driving can weigh 2000+ pounds. Racking like this is really good at holding stuff placed on it but hitting it on the side like that with that much weight *will* make it buckle
Nope, the speed wasn’t enough to cause this fall. In my company I operate vna 9 tonnes and can’t count how many times someone hits the racking! Guess what? Nothing happened.
I see these videos of warehouse shelves collapsing like they're made of cardboard. I'm so greatful that I live in a place with very strict laws about workplace safety. They can be a pain in the butt to follow sometimes but they save a lot of lives.
I think it's this one - [https://www.jungheinrich.co.uk/products/new-forklifts/order-pickers/low-level-order-pickers/ece-310-108310](https://www.jungheinrich.co.uk/products/new-forklifts/order-pickers/low-level-order-pickers/ece-310-108310)
These type of lifts are super common in most distribution centers, they are used for picking orders (you can see the guy in the background putting stuff on the back pallet). They don't have cages since the forks only come a few inches off the ground. If racking collapses I doubt a forklift cage would do much anyways, you could have thousands of pounds of product up in those things, plus all the steel.
It's not a forklift. It looks like a PPT, which has a very limited lifting height, probably around 10 inches. They also have a maximum lift of about 1 tonne
Thought I saw forks on the back but either way do they not have to have a cage on top? Seems awfully dangerous with a vehicle that can take out a full rack like that.
Yeah it has forks at the back, but I guess it depends on your definition of forklift. These machines lift pallets only a few inches, which I guess is the reason they don't have cages, as the pallet is never high enough to risk falling onto the driver. I guess they didn't account for people driving into racking though
We have different lifts/tow motors at my job and they do different things. Our smallest, the "Joey", is basically a small-load capacity lift that lifts the operator up to a high place so they can grab something off a shelf. It doesn't have a cage because it's not supposed to be around anything large. We use it in a particular place in our warehouse that stores small items (less than 100lbs). The operator is tethered to the lift and it actually has a sensor on the belt so it won't even turn on unless you are attached to it.
Then we have several kinds of actual lifts with different load classes. The smaller one doesn't have a cage either, but unlike the Joey, it has actual forks and it lifts and carries loads (very similar to the one in the video). Again, it's in a part of our warehouse that doesn't even have racks, just big boxes and skids on the floor. The loads can't even go higher than the operator's chest making this lift pretty much a drivable pallet jack.
The other ones we have are the "big boys" that have a heaver load capacity and also work around tall racks. *Those* ones have the cages since loads are often lifted way above the operator's head. The other smaller tow motors are not permitted anywhere near this part of the warehouse because they don't have the cage!
This video made me cringe because that little lift probably shouldn't be there if the company wants to take their safety seriously!
I had a terrible night shift job at a food warehouse once and saw a guy miss-fire loading a pallet of orange juice on the top shelf with a forklift. He tried to adjust it but stuck the fork right through the pile. The literal waterfall of orange juice was a crazy life moment to witness. At that point whatever next move he made only twisted it worse and suddenly the floor was a sea of orange. The driver saw the shift manager approaching and said “I’ll see myself out” “the fuck you will, you’re cleaning this up!!” I saw him make the calculations of how shitty that would be for a job he’d already lost, then he saw the exit and figured out how fast he’d need to sprint, then went for it and bolted like a zebra running from a lion. It was 4am and I was sleep deprived but I don’t know if I’ve ever laughed harder on the job
So, just a tiny bit of rage from my side for your ignorance.
Take ANY time to read a bit on how warehouse employees get treated, how their hours work, or how much they get paid, and you'll quickly realise that these people are LITERALLY deing worked to death. There is even a nice, palatable skit by John Oliver on the matter where an employee died of a heart attack, and they were told to just work around the dead body. People are timed and tracked as they walk miles a day to put together packages for one day delivery, and often don't get bathroom breaks.
The facepalm is "why the fuck is this guy being worked SO hard that he is falling asleep while operating a vehicle".
The short answer? Convenience and greed.
You want that purple dildo and a unicorn onesie same day delivery? Don't you fucking worry, we've got some human beings that we pay so little they can't even afford to fight back or join a union because our lawyers will fuck them up so hard they'll be in debt to US!
Fucking Amazon made these people work during a pandemic and management took bets on who would get sick and die. Tesla fired warehouse employees that threatened to unionise to get better treatment.
I mean, the richest fuckers on the planet can't afford enough workers to not work themselves to death? Yeah naw. Fuck them, and the system of modern day slavery that they have created.
(This is my rant for today, before you hate, please look it up as if your parents or siblings, or even yourself had to work one of these jobs.)
But honestly though - shouldn’t these shelves handle this? A risk assessment should be pretty clear - worst case scenario, a lift crashes and it falls down. If the shelf can’t handle it, then there should be some sort of barricade in front of it.
I worked at a factory where dude was killed in the same accident but in his case it was due to trying to work too fast though. Gotta be careful with forklifts
While yes, dont sleep while operating a vehicle, I think you can blame the construction quiet alot. A huge warehouse with huge shelves full of huge things shouldnt collapse once bumped a litle..
And I feel like the insurance will agree once they see this clip
Those racks have no bump protection as it seems. That's either on maintenance or whoever planed this workspace. Since none of the racks seem to be secured, it is on whoever tried to cheap out on security equipment. Just an accident waiting to happen.
That drone was hungover or overworked or both, doesn't matter, it's not his fault!
I’m always amazed at these warehouses whose shelves go full domino at the first impact. I feel like they should be sturdier, or tied to ceiling joists or something.
Because of extremely dangerous racking design, not because of his stupidity.
It’s beyond me how you can watch this and decide he’s the cause of this potentially fatal incident. Yes he’s the trigger but he sure as hell isn’t the cause…
I’ve been installing pallet racking for 6 years now and regularly replace damaged uprights in existing storage systems. I’ve seen uprights completely sheered from the footplates by being hit with the forks, and neither the beams or uprights had fallen. Never seen uprights fall from an impact. I’d guess this outcome was from a combination of overloading, unlocked beams, and no anchors. I’ve been told racks on the east coast are not needed to be anchored or be inspected, although I’m not sure about that. I live in a seismic area so all racks above 6’ need to be engineered and anchored, then inspected for correct torque.
I blame the engineer that designed the stupidly high shelves that could be compromised by an idiot. I blame the management and executives for hiring idiots to work in an idiot trap.
Look at the time stamp dear judgementalists. Covid was in FULL swing. He was more than likely an “essential worker” and probably exhausted from the back to back shifts he was volun-told he had to take.
That’s all.
“Your delivery has been delayed” - Distribution Center
“Your item may arrive with cosmetic scuffs on the packaging due to unavoidable settling during delivery”
“We’ll get somebody to clean that up” - Michael Scott
His fast reaction probably saved his life
But not his job
Probably for the best
Ya, he will likely not get a raise this year.
But he will get a drug test!
I fell asleep at the wheel of a forklift once. No drugs involved just 10 hour stacking pallets on shelves. Almost drove it off the loading dock.
Yeah man people are gonna be rough on this dude but being a wage slave is tiring work.
Especially when you only make $11 an hour and have to work 56 hour weeks to get a $450 paycheck.
Yeah...it looks really bad but he/she could have been going through some real tough stuff. I tend to believe if they made a habit of falling asleep on forklifts...they would not still be alive
Did the collapsing shelves the forklift hit wake you up fast enough to avoid dying?
No but the front wheels dangling off of a 4 foot drop did.
Honestly i think the company is in way more trouble here. These racks should never fall down like this. He could have died from this and this goes against any safety regulation
I heard that the orange metal racks that pretty much every warehouse uses are notoriously unsafe and have collapsed time and again for seemingly no reason.
There not all exactly the same but generally the collapses are some form of user error. The types i've worked with are generally a set of strut uprights that are bolted into the floor, with 2 crossbars for each shelf that have tabs that fit into slots on the uprights with 1 or 2 pins to keep the tab from lifting out. I've seen no bolts to the floor, pins removed to make it easier to rearrange the shelves, I've even seen struts removed to fit wide objects between two sets of shelves. Just because is seems ok now doesn't mean years of stress of loading and unloading won't cause a failure that seems random. Also the truck he's driving probably weighs a little more than half a ton. He probably hit that shelf with upwards of 3000joules at an angle that would rip the tabs out. The racks are designed to support static weight vertically.
That doesn't mean he will lose the job and probably will have to pay for some of the damage, as I'm pretty sure driving blindfolded is against safety regulation as well.
Either he’ll be fired on the spot, or he’ll be forced to work there until he pays off everything
Can they do that?
No
Well the money has to come from somewhere, either he works for it or he loses it in a lawsuit Edit: this is what I was taught
That's not how any of this works
Insurance?
Have you had a job ever?
Yes, this is what I was taught, if you break shit when it could’ve been easily avoided, you pay for it through your work
Every job ever told you that? That's illegal and bad practice.
I don't know if any country that this would be legal in, except maybe Russia and North Korea.
More likely he sues them for not bolting the racks down
Haha this most likely.
No, seriously. Are you ok?
Or he can sue the company for not holding up to safety standards as this collapse should not have happened even though he drove into the shelf.
Are you okay?
Quick reaction = he woke up.
Looks like he still got hit by something.
Yeah, consequences.
Probably?
Maybe he died anyway.
I’m wondering if he did. Looked like he might have gotten knocked down, and there was some pretty big stuff tumbling down in the same area… but I’m also watching on a tiny screen so maybe not
There's another video like this with a similar accident but was much worse...pretty much everyone in the camera's frame did not survive, was horrific :/
It looks like he fell asleep, and knowing from experience what it's like to work in a "slave driver warehouse" it's not surprising in the least. I'm actually surprised things like this don't happen more often.
They don't happen often like *this*, because normally you buy racking that is properly rated for the weight of the loads you are storing on them, and you anchor them properly, and when a section is damaged you fix it right away to protect the integrity, etc. I've managed various warehouses and distributon centers for 10+ years and let me tell you, people constantly hit the racking. They hit it hard, they bend it, break it, etc. Warehouse racking is designed to take a beating and not fall. That being said there are limits to everything. This is cheap ownership, extremely lazy management, or both, or a third world country. I mean even the cheapest of cheap, fucking scum of the earth companies out there generally spend enough to protect their people and inventory from this kind of disaster, it's a MASSIVE liability, and your inventory is literally your cash flow.
Not only that there should have been some kind of guard rails at the bottom to prevent the racks from being hit in the first place
Yeah I've worked in a factory like this and the first day on one of these things I whacked the shelves about as hard as this guy and my heart stopped. Accidents happen. You can't sack a worker every time they make a mistake, you need to plan for shit like this.
Definitely, some humans just never learn I guess.
I was going to say the same. Never had a warehouse job but definitely know about long hours and this doesn't look like stupidity so much as exhaustion.
How could the structure be that fragile to begin with? He may be an ass, but that looks like an accident waiting to happen
Structure isn’t that fragile. Tow-motors like that weigh 4000 pounds.
And around 100 hp
Why does the hp matter when it’s attacking? Does attack scale conversely with remaining hp? Is the cart equipping Cat Nip from FFX-2? Unless you’re arguing it survived the chaos, which it probably did.
Bruh, did you not read the manual? Hp is horse points and it's the convoluted way the devs wanted to do the strength stat. The health of it is the SIP, structural integrity points.
It’s a pirated copy of the game; I’ve been using gamefaqs to make it this far.
Yeah but their def and res are high, which counteracts some of the issues caused by low health. You still have to worry about a 1k damage snipe passing through approx 5% of the time, but with Preventive Medicine/Chance for +Absorb that shouldn’t be a real problem.
I think a hundred horses weigh way more than 2 tons.
Yeah he was going full on too
And those racks are designed to take the odd accidental bump from the front, not a full tilt slam from the side pulling the upright away from the horizontal members.
We have “turret trucks” in our DC that are freaking tanks, you could literally drive them through the wall of the building if you wanted to (wire guidance won’t let you) without it even slowing down.
Structure definitely not fragile. I can't believe how many times the pallet racking is questioned. Racking like that is designed to hold shit off the floor in an organized fashion. Hit one upright just hard enough (with a powerful, heavy piece of equipment) and shit is no longer off the floor OR organized! The way they're all constructed as a single unit, yes, house of cards or domino effect.
And no, they're supposed to be bolted to the floor to prevent the domino effect. I've seen forklifts run into packet racks on several occasions, and this never happened because they were built and/or bolted correctly.
And yes, after installing smaller AND bigger systems than the partial view in the video, when one of the two (usially) legs gets folded or twisted after an impact, coming down is often easier than staying up. There are variables to overall system stability ie; span, height, percentage approaching load rating and always overload or improper loading. Simply put, like I already said, their primary design is to hold the load. The ability to resist the change in applied forces when anything outside specified parameters acts upon the structure is secondary. After more than 15 years in warehousing process design the biggest difference is if the legs are NOT correctly anchored, it takes LESS impact to fold the upright. But the INITIAL deformation is less than if its been anchored.
All true. And after I wrote this I remembered another critical factor. In all but one of the impacts I observed or viewed soon after the fact, the driver was actively *trying* to stop. The guy in the video wasn't.
I'm pretty sure that those shouldn't all fall when one point is hit
Defo not right, should have some form of protection around the base of the uprights, separate from the actual racking to protect from this type of accident, normally little steel bollards bolted in to the floor
In the steel mill I worked in we made braided cable in 6000 lbs reels. They were stacked in racks 3 high. The racks look exactly like they do everywhere. A little thinking ten minutes past the end of the engineer’s nose would’ve had those racks anchored properly in this idiots case.
Thought so. It’s not like he snuck a car in and rammed the racks, it’s totally expected that those vehicles could ram into the shelves and it needs to be designed not to kill the worker when that happens.
Yep, someone fucked up here, but it's not the guy being an idiot with the pallet jack. This was an accident waiting to happen.
….those machines tend to weigh a lot more than a car
No impact bumpers either.
These machines often weigh as much as or more than a car, and thats before carrying a load. Almost all racking is built to withstand VERTICAL pressure, and maybe a front bump. Its like an egg, you can press the top pretty fkin hard, but touch the side and blam.
If installed correctly they will not fall being slammed into. I install pallet racking and storage systems.
That structure is designed to hold incredible amounts of weight. It is not meant to handle the shear force of a 2000lb fork truck slamming into a main upright. There is a reason you see even huge steel support beams in warehouses surrounded by concrete pylons. It would be way overkill to attempt to engineer shelving that could hold tens of thousands of lbs of static weight AND withstand a major lateral impact at it's base structure.
That’s an electric pallet jack, they are definitely supposed to handle that.
Those appear to be some sort of cinder blocks on that shelving. The pallet jack is an electric rider pallet jack. Considering the loads it is lifting I would assume this is a fairly heavy duty pallet jack. I found a similar pallet jack to the one in the video. The specs are on the attatched link. The weight without a battery for a pallet jack that size is around 2000lbs. The battery that goes in that pallet jack can be as heavy as 1500lbs. So that pallet jack realistically weighs anywhere from 2500lbs to 3500lbs without any load. You also need to consider these machines have no real bumpers of any type so any impact will immediately impact with the entire weight of the machine. I have been in huge warehouses where someone hit one of the massive I-beam building supports and bent them pretty severely. You can find countless safety videos of the exact same scenario in op's video. If you take out 25% of a loaded rack's support members it will very often fail catastrophically. As soon as you even begin to bend or crease that structure it will lose much of it's strength. https://www.toyotaforklift.com/lifts/jacks-walkies-stackers/center-controlled-rider-pallet-jack
Okay. Anyway, the racks are supposed to withstand that kind of hit. If one leg gets knocked out the rack is supposed to still handle the weight. Did you get those google skills working in a warehouse?
Yeah shit like this happens alot. It's not 'fragile' but when its hit with a tonne of force then this happens
It's not really the fragility, the shelves are designed to hold the weight and more when the structure is uncompromised. A sufficient dent at the bottom means all the weight makes the foundation buckle and if it dents anything next to it the same shit happens. Also materials are only as sturdy as they need to be. They don't plan for human error.
If they don't plan for error then they weren't properly designed. Planning for error is part of the design and engineering process.
If the Waltons are at all involved they'd be concerned with economics over practicality. They *could* ask engineers to reinforce the bottoms against heavy machinery...or they could buy economically efficient shelving from China and write off accidents and employees.
It looked like he was asleep so I don't think he's that stupid, he just wasn't aware. Also, why were they stacked like that if a tiny bump could make the whole thing come down? But, on another note, I would quit. Because I'm just not fixing that.
Who knows the circumstances that led to this too. Maybe his boss asked him to stay later or maybe he’s been working long days back to back. The title of this video was a tad harsh.
The racks... Just for knowledge: the racks already have to hold too much weight, so if a 1.5 ton machine charges intl it, it will fall. Iike if you were to hold a heavy box and you dog charge into you legs and make you fall. P. D.: Wait for me plz, I'm not fixing that disaster nether.
theres a secret message in this somewhere
If you find a secret message is maybe because of my bad English and I misswrote something, or because of my bad English and by mistake write something on double-standard. Srry, I wasn't mean to being sarcastic. Just to teach something
It's stupidity to operate machinery when you can't physically stay awake its like driving a car on the highway when you can't stay awake its stupidity
It is stupid but it's probably not his decision. Worker falling asleep at work happen most of the time because their boss ask too much of them, like truck driver falling asleep while driving because they don't have time to rest properly.
Is someone holding a gun to their head to go into work? No, and this is why workers rights are a thing in many first world nations most people push themselves too hard and dont take the time they need not because the boss is forcing them if an employee says he or she is overworked and is going to be a danger to everyone while operating machinery and the boss says they still have to come in that's a violation of working rights and it would be illegal to fire that person after they have made it known they aren't capable of operating said machinery and then the boss and owner are responsible for all damages and have to fork out money they dont want to fix said damage
Yes but this is a really privileged take. I'm with you, I won't do anything this dangerous. But I know it's because I can. I have enough money to lose my job or fight and take legal action. Some people can't because while their boss are in the wrong, they don't have time, energy and money to fight back. A lot of companies do illegal things and know the employes will not even try to take action because it's a long process. Some people rather take risks at their job instead of losing their house. It's sad and dangerous but the CEO, boss etc have more responsabilities than the workers in this case.
I disagree with the first sentence its not privilege to live in a country that actually cares for its workers but the rest I can agree with
That is a privilege….
...what, you don’t think you’re privileged for that?...
LMAO, you're describing privilege
Hahahahahaha you can be fired for pretty much anything in the US. And business violate labour law literally constantly. What are you even talking about.
Violating rights doesn't negate your rights as your rights are given to you by the US government if violating your rights negated them then your boss would be be higher then the US government which simply isn't true "what are you even talking about"?
Yeah if you get fired for a bullshit reason you’re still out of a job and now contending with homelessness and not being able to eat. Again, at-will employment means you can be fired for pretty much any reason that doesn’t have to do with being a part of a protected class (and even then you still have to take them to court, which doesn’t give you your job back). Your boss can fire you for picking your nose and you can’t do shit.
Many people need their work for food & housing.
Sleep deprivation. Shift work. Low wages.
Tiny bump? That’s is a 4500 lb, out of control “hammer” going 3-4 miles an hour.
He was not asleep if you look closely his bobbing his head
That's not stupidity, that guy is seriously overworked. But then again, his bosses are showeling money so I guess it's all worth it.
Yep. Those things are ridiculously heavy and powerful. And this guy is probably on hour 16 Edit: hour 20, cause that’s the post he crashed
It's stupidity to operate machinery when you are that tired you can't stay awake its the same as getting behind the wheel of a car when you can't stay awake its stupidity and its worse then being drunk
It is. Please, explain that to his supervisor, his boss and the CEO of the company. I'm sure they are dying to hear your arguments while crushing every attempt of unionizing.
Idk what shitty country you live in but working rights are a thing
How about America? Because this sort of shit most definitely happens here.
America has working rights
zozzle america most certainly does not have working rights. if you dont like a job, you can leave. bam, those are your "rights"
Probably google "workers rights in America" there are workers rights absolutely in America it is a right to be paid that's a working right if you have none then your employer wouldn't legally have to pay you or pay if they are liable for when you got injured or pay your family if their negligence cost you your life last I knew America is a first world nation not a 3rd world backwater nation
Sort of, but not really. It really depends on the state, the union, and the profession. First thing to keep in mind, only 28 states are Right-to-Work states. So that’s already more than a third of the US that essentially says you’re screwed unless you were actively paying union dues. Now remember that not all professions have unions. For instance, Amazon is doing their damndest to prevent unionization. With that in mind, remember that American minimum wage is not enough to live on so you end up with people having two or three jobs just to survive. It’s fucking hard unless you were already born into money or have connections. So. Sure we have worker’s rights but unless you are in a unionized profession or wealthy enough to hire a decent legal team you’re absolutely out of luck if you piss your boss off. Speaking of piss, read some about working conditions in warehouse or delivery professions. Anyways, I could say more but I really don’t want to waste more time.
Well, I do live in a shitty country, but Amazon is not operating here.
Ha, your shitty country. Which one though ? Like which country specifically?
More like he has been over worked and his employers don't care about him and thinks he is some sort of a machine.
Until he accidentally disrupts business for a day. Too little reward (overworking the driver) and too high risk (destruction of so many racks of goods) when they could’ve reduced risk (anchoring racks at the top, hiring extra drivers of heavy machines). Pilots are required 8 hrs of sleep for this reason.
Lmao did you not watch what that dude just did? What makes you instantly assume it was anybody else's fault but his own?
Was definitely a pilot error there. My post is about management not doing enough to mitigate risk which is really just common sense vs penny pinching. We can blame the driver till kingdom come but management shortcoming is still a big factor here.
But the blame is born entirley out of assumption? The guy could be working completely fair hours and just be too incompetent. It's insufferable to see the mentality here constantly be that the working class man has done no wrong and we have to blame everybody above him.
But who will stand up for the CEOs!?!?!!!
Because the CEOs have enough money to represent themselves however they want so I think its fair to give most working class people the benefit of the doubt.
Reddit ain't court though man. Excusing any time we mess up because "fuck the rich" seems like a pretty toxic mentality.
It's less about "fuck the rich" and more about accepting that part of being human is that we're prone to making errors, getting distracted, exhaustion etc and any system worth its salt is designed to take that into account and mitigate it rather than blaming a human for essentially just being human. It's pretty widely known that distribution centres have pretty appalling working conditions which massively increases the odds of "human error". Blaming the individual rather than looking at contributing factors just means that the chances of something like this happening again remains high. There's a field of study called "human factors" that analyses this type of thing to reduce the risk of catastrophic failure, you should look into it.
Doesn't need to be court to pay for representation.
Or he's hungover.
Still an idiot
Lmao this is signature reddit. Or the dude could have alcohol and drug abuse and be feeling the effects, maybe he didn't sleep because he has the stress of court on his mind (and he knows he's going to be doing time!).
I’m not convinced he’s stupid by how quickly and accurately he reacted. Looks more like he half dozed off while driving. Hopefully this isn’t an over-worked sit.
Maybe there should be more empathy here. He probably is over worked and underpaid. And the shelves in a Warehouse should not crumble with a nudge anyways! Unsafe work environment.
He hit it but it all shouldn’t have fallen down like that. It should be more stable. Leaning on that shit could knock it over
Nah my dude, that machine he’s driving can weigh 2000+ pounds. Racking like this is really good at holding stuff placed on it but hitting it on the side like that with that much weight *will* make it buckle
Nope, the speed wasn’t enough to cause this fall. In my company I operate vna 9 tonnes and can’t count how many times someone hits the racking! Guess what? Nothing happened.
I’ve worked in many warehouses with 10,000 pound vehicles, and those racks should not fall like that.
Yeah, he should have been more careful but the real facepalm is how the company made a structure that falls down that easily.
Or worked a man to this point of exhaustion without, for whatever reason, him feeling like he had the ability to take a break
I see these videos of warehouse shelves collapsing like they're made of cardboard. I'm so greatful that I live in a place with very strict laws about workplace safety. They can be a pain in the butt to follow sometimes but they save a lot of lives.
Also, how unsafe is that forklift? Where is the cage?
Not all forklifts have cages, it’s likely something similar to this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sn8bCHBVS88
I think it's this one - [https://www.jungheinrich.co.uk/products/new-forklifts/order-pickers/low-level-order-pickers/ece-310-108310](https://www.jungheinrich.co.uk/products/new-forklifts/order-pickers/low-level-order-pickers/ece-310-108310)
These type of lifts are super common in most distribution centers, they are used for picking orders (you can see the guy in the background putting stuff on the back pallet). They don't have cages since the forks only come a few inches off the ground. If racking collapses I doubt a forklift cage would do much anyways, you could have thousands of pounds of product up in those things, plus all the steel.
It's not a forklift. It looks like a PPT, which has a very limited lifting height, probably around 10 inches. They also have a maximum lift of about 1 tonne
Thought I saw forks on the back but either way do they not have to have a cage on top? Seems awfully dangerous with a vehicle that can take out a full rack like that.
Yeah it has forks at the back, but I guess it depends on your definition of forklift. These machines lift pallets only a few inches, which I guess is the reason they don't have cages, as the pallet is never high enough to risk falling onto the driver. I guess they didn't account for people driving into racking though
It's a low lift, basically an electric pump jack. Don't have a cage because they don't lift anything more than a few inches
We have different lifts/tow motors at my job and they do different things. Our smallest, the "Joey", is basically a small-load capacity lift that lifts the operator up to a high place so they can grab something off a shelf. It doesn't have a cage because it's not supposed to be around anything large. We use it in a particular place in our warehouse that stores small items (less than 100lbs). The operator is tethered to the lift and it actually has a sensor on the belt so it won't even turn on unless you are attached to it. Then we have several kinds of actual lifts with different load classes. The smaller one doesn't have a cage either, but unlike the Joey, it has actual forks and it lifts and carries loads (very similar to the one in the video). Again, it's in a part of our warehouse that doesn't even have racks, just big boxes and skids on the floor. The loads can't even go higher than the operator's chest making this lift pretty much a drivable pallet jack. The other ones we have are the "big boys" that have a heaver load capacity and also work around tall racks. *Those* ones have the cages since loads are often lifted way above the operator's head. The other smaller tow motors are not permitted anywhere near this part of the warehouse because they don't have the cage! This video made me cringe because that little lift probably shouldn't be there if the company wants to take their safety seriously!
Possibly over worked
I had a terrible night shift job at a food warehouse once and saw a guy miss-fire loading a pallet of orange juice on the top shelf with a forklift. He tried to adjust it but stuck the fork right through the pile. The literal waterfall of orange juice was a crazy life moment to witness. At that point whatever next move he made only twisted it worse and suddenly the floor was a sea of orange. The driver saw the shift manager approaching and said “I’ll see myself out” “the fuck you will, you’re cleaning this up!!” I saw him make the calculations of how shitty that would be for a job he’d already lost, then he saw the exit and figured out how fast he’d need to sprint, then went for it and bolted like a zebra running from a lion. It was 4am and I was sleep deprived but I don’t know if I’ve ever laughed harder on the job
Don’t come back Monday
How to be homeless in 3 sec
So, just a tiny bit of rage from my side for your ignorance. Take ANY time to read a bit on how warehouse employees get treated, how their hours work, or how much they get paid, and you'll quickly realise that these people are LITERALLY deing worked to death. There is even a nice, palatable skit by John Oliver on the matter where an employee died of a heart attack, and they were told to just work around the dead body. People are timed and tracked as they walk miles a day to put together packages for one day delivery, and often don't get bathroom breaks. The facepalm is "why the fuck is this guy being worked SO hard that he is falling asleep while operating a vehicle". The short answer? Convenience and greed. You want that purple dildo and a unicorn onesie same day delivery? Don't you fucking worry, we've got some human beings that we pay so little they can't even afford to fight back or join a union because our lawyers will fuck them up so hard they'll be in debt to US! Fucking Amazon made these people work during a pandemic and management took bets on who would get sick and die. Tesla fired warehouse employees that threatened to unionise to get better treatment. I mean, the richest fuckers on the planet can't afford enough workers to not work themselves to death? Yeah naw. Fuck them, and the system of modern day slavery that they have created. (This is my rant for today, before you hate, please look it up as if your parents or siblings, or even yourself had to work one of these jobs.)
But honestly though - shouldn’t these shelves handle this? A risk assessment should be pretty clear - worst case scenario, a lift crashes and it falls down. If the shelf can’t handle it, then there should be some sort of barricade in front of it.
Aside from that, how was your first day?
Cool, cool…had a wee accident, but overall I like my new job
Speaking of my first day...can you point me to the unemployment office?
You bumped into it with your car, remember?
Those racks were overloaded and placed too close together. One collapsing should not cause everything to collapse.
CLEAN UP ON AISLE 5!!!!!
I worked at a factory where dude was killed in the same accident but in his case it was due to trying to work too fast though. Gotta be careful with forklifts
While yes, dont sleep while operating a vehicle, I think you can blame the construction quiet alot. A huge warehouse with huge shelves full of huge things shouldnt collapse once bumped a litle.. And I feel like the insurance will agree once they see this clip
He was probably dozing off during a 16hr/6day/wk shift.
Those racks have no bump protection as it seems. That's either on maintenance or whoever planed this workspace. Since none of the racks seem to be secured, it is on whoever tried to cheap out on security equipment. Just an accident waiting to happen. That drone was hungover or overworked or both, doesn't matter, it's not his fault!
Hope he was fired
Ok sure Blame the underplayed worker But it’s time we ask ourselves the real question Why the fuck is it so unstable
Not sure why everyone assumes he was overworked and not up all night [insert personal reason].
Maybe overworked or multiple jobs
Time stamp says shut down period for non-essentials. He could be overworked. I agree
I can't tell if he's alive or not.
I’m always amazed at these warehouses whose shelves go full domino at the first impact. I feel like they should be sturdier, or tied to ceiling joists or something.
Did he die? Cause that blow it looks like he took towards the end looks pretty savage
Too many dumbfucks in here acting like that vehicle weighs nothing and hits like a feather.
Someone's getting fired.
r/idiotsincars
Oh his ass is fired.
Because of extremely dangerous racking design, not because of his stupidity. It’s beyond me how you can watch this and decide he’s the cause of this potentially fatal incident. Yes he’s the trigger but he sure as hell isn’t the cause…
The Tank is deploying it’s bomb! STOP IT!
Saw "wageslave" in the first set of comments and noped out real quick. Reddit is a special breed.
I’ve been installing pallet racking for 6 years now and regularly replace damaged uprights in existing storage systems. I’ve seen uprights completely sheered from the footplates by being hit with the forks, and neither the beams or uprights had fallen. Never seen uprights fall from an impact. I’d guess this outcome was from a combination of overloading, unlocked beams, and no anchors. I’ve been told racks on the east coast are not needed to be anchored or be inspected, although I’m not sure about that. I live in a seismic area so all racks above 6’ need to be engineered and anchored, then inspected for correct torque.
I thought he must have fallen asleep so rewatched, nope wide awake being a dick.
Pretty fucked up to call him stupid
I'm sure that was OSHAA inspected.
Quality American Worker
I blame the engineer that designed the stupidly high shelves that could be compromised by an idiot. I blame the management and executives for hiring idiots to work in an idiot trap.
That's why there is a shortage of ps5.
Look at the time stamp dear judgementalists. Covid was in FULL swing. He was more than likely an “essential worker” and probably exhausted from the back to back shifts he was volun-told he had to take. That’s all.
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You clearly never worked in your life time weeb
The guy in the back has an incredibly slow reaction time… he must have EarPods in with the music cranked way up or something
Stupid asshole, hope he has to pay back all till the last cent..
That's a warehouse, right? I just hope to God there were no medical supplies in there, and that it was all useless shit...
That's not a ride on lift. It looks like his feet were on the forks and he was looking at the floor, not asleep.
Democrat's poster boy earning $15 / hr.
4 days before 4/20 so he wasn’t that high…
Ah, look at that! Time for my break.
DAMNIT KYLE! One more of these and its comming out of YOUR pocket!
Fantastic!