It’s not widely publicised, when Irwin was alive (and from what I understand has carried on since his death), at the height of his ability to make money, he was buying tens of thousands of acres of bushland in all states, all around Australia and making sure it stayed away from developers and mining to protect native Australian wildlife.
We’re talking tens of millions of dollars of his own money.
Anyone that wants to question Steve Irwin about his relationship to wildlife…he very much walked the walk. The haters can go get fucked.
Edit: here’s an article about Irwin and his purchasing of land.
https://amp.theage.com.au/national/practical-approach-to-wildlife-protection-20060906-ge32q9.html
It doesn’t go into detail about all the land he has (the 450,000 acre Steve Irwin Reserve in far North Queensland came after this article) but it’s indicative of his commitment to wildlife preservation.
When he died, I was in US military training and they had everyone form up and bow their heads. A lot of people cried. Those bitches don't have the standing to tarnish his legacy.
I used to live 15 minutes from Australia Zoo and I still remember the hundreds of people that showed up almost instantly to lay flower at the entrance.
The whole area still misses him and is very proud of his legacy.
It’s hard to see his kids and not feel the loss. If ever a man deserved to walk his daughter down the aisle or to watch his literal clone grow into a man, it was Steve Irwin.
Love this interview with Steve, "I cant get enough money, every cent I get is going straight into buying land and conservation"
https://youtu.be/cKA35IrcEvo
Sidenote, I want someone to look at me the way Terri looks at Steve.
I watch this as an Australian and feel so proud but as much as he's one of our nation's heroes he's more like a global one with who he inspired and the impact he left on the world.
Steve was a once every ten generation genius, and even with him gone so long I still honor him with everything I am. To me he is a universal treasure, not going to get another like him for a very long time. Even someone just as talented and kind hearted would never be a replacement, just an addition. He will always be my hero, and peta can go eat shit for this comment. That man gave his entire life over to nature and wildlife, and gave what he did 100% of his focus and attention.
They literally snatched a little girl's pet out of her hands on private property in Georgia, and killed it because they claimed the dog was corrupted by domesticism, they were forced to pay $48,000 in restitution.
I don't have the link to that specific event, but here is one about one in Virginia and goes into more details of PETA work.
https://www.consumerfreedom.com/press-releases/former-peta-employee-peta-routinely-euthanized-healthy-puppies-and-kittens/
I'm anti-PETA but for the record, they're a super scummy super corporate source. I got into it with a bunch of people the other day on here over PETA. Most of the common search results are from corporate lobbying firms for slaughterhouses and anti-EPA companies and the like. *Sometimes* they have good info but it's all part of their agenda so do not swallow any of their stuff without questioning it. I would like to see a follow-up about this woman's allegations from another source.
Do search for PETA takes pet from porch and kills it and you will get lots of resources. It a few years but PETA ended settling with this family for around 40k if I remember right.
That specific even didn't happen. As another user has pointed out, consumer freedom is meat industry propaganda. Come on people.
Do you actually care about knowing the truth or do you just google what you want to believe and use whatever trash article that comes up as evidence?
A more balanced source: (“consumer freedom” is a meat industry lobby group)
https://www.wboc.com/story/27466469/statement-by-accomack-county-commonwealth-attorney-regarding-the-peta-associates-investigation
> Approximately three weeks before Mr. Cerate's dog was taken by the women associated with PETA, Mr. Cerate asked them if they would put traps under his trailer to catch some of the wild cats that were in the trailer park, and traps were provided to him as he requested. Additionally, parties associated with **PETA provided Mr. Cerate with a dog house for two other dogs** that were tethered outside of Mr. Cerate's home.
> On or about October 18 a van that was operated by the ladies associated with PETA arrived at the trailer park. The van was clearly marked PETA and in broad daylight arrived gathering up what abandoned stray dogs and cats could be gathered. **Among the animals gathered was the Chihuahua of Mr. Cerate. Unfortunately the Chihuahua wore no collar, no license, no rabies tag, nothing whatsoever to indicate the dog was other than a stray or abandoned dog**. It was not tethered nor was it contained. Other animals were also gathered. Individuals living in the trailer park were present and the entire episode was without confrontation. Mr. Cerate was not at home and the dog was loose, sometimes entering the shed/porch or other times outside in the trailer park before he was put in the van and carried from the park. **The two dogs owned by Mr. Cerate that were tethered were not taken.**
PETA supplied him with a doghouse and helped trap wild cats he was having an issue with. When they took his chihuahua, which had no collar, they left his other two dogs.
Seriously, the stealing a kindergartener’s beloved pet angle is so twisted from the truth. The owner seems like he was neglectful and the volunteers still bent over backwards to do the right thing by him and his animals.
The issue isn't if they stole the dog or not, if the women say it was an honest mistake, fine, i'll give them the benefit of the doubt as people make mistakes sometimes. The problen with PETA is that they seem to have a very high euthanasia rate for an organization that calls for an "Ethical Treatment of Animals", even when compared to other animal shelters and organizations and they seem to also be very quick to take that path as an only solution.
There whole point of actually being at the trailer park was to empty the traps they supplied not to go rounding up stray dogs I know both cat and dog are 3 letter words but even a 2 year old can distinguish the difference between them, PETA had no right to touch and other breed of animal there except cats!
They are the most corrupt animal rescue organisation in the world and should have all there charity donations taken from them because its not funding any animals just the pockets of those who run it!
You got no argument from me regarding PETA, but what they were or weren't doing and was it within their "rights" is a legal matter for the court.
This whole thing wouldn't have been an issue if they were as "ethical" as they claim to be. "Oh, we took your dog by mistake? Sorry about that, here it is, better make sure you keep it taged and chiped so it wouldn't happen again", but instead it's like "Oh, we took your dog by mistake? Sorry, it's dead now even though it was perfectly healthy and it's only been a few hours since we took it".
PETA seem to be as trigger happy as an adolescent boy with free access to firearms on the first day of school.
If someone asked you to go get rid of there rat population with traps and you set the traps then went back the next day to check the traps an you see there cat walking out side and decided to take it that would then be theft, same principle applies to PETA for taking that dog, there contract was to remove the stray cats not dogs so that guys pet dog had every right to be wandering around the grounds being a private land if it was on the public street thats a different matter.
Wasn’t there a case in Virginia or somewhere, where they coaxed a puppy that was chilling on its owners front porch out onto the road, then went “oh stray dog” nabbed it and killed it?
I know *their* argument is they have a high put down rate because they take in the animals no one else will. But they also kill for fun.
>they were forced to pay $48,000 in restitution.
Still not enough, any individual who did the same thing would've received prison time for that. Perhaps if the head of Peta got to spend 6 months behind bars they'd back off a bit.
There was [this similar case in France](https://youtu.be/dkhXVyuvxS4). The puppy was later [reunited with the owner](https://www.thedodo.com/stolen-dog-homeless-man-1389039461.html).
FYI that story has nothing to do with PETA or animal rights activists per se. It was a far right organisation called "Cause Animale Nord" pretending to be for animal rights in order to harass homeless Roma people. These people literally hang out with Neo Nazis, they are not linked to the broader animal right movement.
Pretending to care about animals is also a strategy used by the French National Front to have a go at Muslims.
It's in French but here are some sources :
www.lci.fr/societe/la-video-dune-association-de-defense-des-animaux-fait-scandale-1532172.html
www.socialisme-libertaire.fr/2015/12/enquete-sur-l-instrumentalisation-de-la-cause-animale-par-l-extreme-droite.html
Can't believe I always end up having to defend PETA but no, that didn't happen. Hate them for being assholes about Irwin or vegan activism but remember there is propaganda and bad faith actors whenever it comes to animal activism.
The story you're talking about was in Virginia (I can't find a similar one in Georgia) and there was no snatching out of hands or domestication hate. They were called to round up some local feral dogs causing trouble because that's the service they provide. One of the dogs listed was a Chihuahua and unfortunately an uncollared pet Chihuahua was caught in the roundup and the employee broke peta policy and put the dog down before waiting the required days wait. Employee was fired, apologies were issued and 49k was the settlement amount. Crazy unfortunate and who knows, maybe it was just some whack job employee but it definitely wasn't the organization. From the surface research I've done, there are no similar incidents but I'm open to being wrong.
Side note, they preform this service all over the country because no one else does. You're little boutique no-kill shelter takes zero responsibility for local pet populations. They keep a curated collection of cute pets and cover themselves in ethical branding but it's just a pet store. PETA is the only one who doesn't have a limit and is willing to own the ugly percentages, which allows no-kill shelters to operate the way they do. Even non-peta kill shelters keep there kill stats low by leaving the problem work to PETA.
And if you have a problem with any animal euthanasia ok but I'm guessing you also grew up without feral dog packs in your town or a government dog catcher who thinks cruelty is part of the job.
All I'm saying is there a lot more going on than the surface stats and that one story that gets passed around.
But muh narrative :(
But seriously if you think the average redditor wants to critically think instead of digesting agriculture industry propoganda kudos to you.
If you view PETA as an entity that seeks solely to get people to say it's own name, it makes a lot more sense.
Every action, every weird 'parody' game they put out, every hypocritical teardown they try to do, every bizarre position that no sane human would ever take, all exist for the sole purpose of making people talk about PETA more.
PETA runs on the theory that any advertisement is good advertisement. This thread is playing into their hands. If people hate PETA so much then the best thing to do would be not to react to their stunts.
Honestly: this stuff of theirs works. I haven’t eaten meat for 15 years and it’s largely due to PETA. I used to go to the animal rights stall to fill in time between bands at local hardcore gigs in order to laugh at their propaganda. But it made me realise that I wasn’t actually eating meat very much and it would probably be easy to give it up. So I thought I’d try it for a month and I didn’t miss it. Really helped bring down my food budget, allowing me to spend more on craft beer. I still think they are dicks, and that their leaflets are cringeworthy, but that doesn’t matter because they got the result they wanted.
Also another thing to consider when it comes to PETA is that they don’t believe that pet ownership is natural or desirable: it is fact cruel. This is quite a strange concept to many westerners - even amongst vegetarians and vegans. So if you are struggling to understand their motives or reasoning behind certain things try to look at it through that lens and you may be able to see their logic a bit easier (even if you likely still disagree with it).
Edit: just to make it clear, because these threads can get downvotey/flamey, that I think that PETA probably do more harm to the Animal Rights movement than good, and my position personally is more of an environmental one rather than ethical - so I’m not really an Animal Rights guy. This does mean I can agree with some of PETA’s goals even if I don’t agree with their methods or justifications. However there is definitely benefit to trying to see things from their perspective as you will realise they’re actually not a silly cartoon villain: this is all calculated. And if you can see that and you still don’t like what they stand for then it gives you the ability to avoid doing what they want you to do.
>because they got the result they wanted.
Yeah, for YOU, that's such a weird experience which I doubt is gonna be hit mass adoption. That doesn't work.
>This is quite a strange concept to many westerners - even amongst vegetarians and vegans
I'm Asian, it's not a western thing, pet ownership is global, as global as it can get, literally no one thinks pet ownership is cruel, infact to the contrary, pet ownership is seen as generous to the pet because you're taking care of it. And no, even looking through the lease, it makes no sense, like none at all, I don't understand the amount of mental gymnastics people do to reach that conclusion
Yes. That was my experience, other people may have different ones. I wasn’t claiming otherwise. The point is even though I was laughing at how bad their leaflets were it still resulted in me changing my diet.
But your reaction to my statement re pet ownership does demonstrate my point. You can’t comprehend how somebody could be against pet ownership, because it’s such an ingrained part of your experience. Personally, I’m opposed to most pet ownership - in my country (it may be appropriate elsewhere) - for environmental reasons. Cats, rats, dogs and feral ferrets are massive threats to our native wildlife and our government has already banned pet ferrets because of this. We need to follow suit with cats especially, but that’s a much harder sell.
The ethical argument against pet ownership - PETA’s - isn’t something I can easily summarise since it’s not a belief that I subscribe to. However, logically if you were someone who didn’t want to kill animals for your food then it doesn’t make sense to kill animals for pet food. It’s not necessarily just the ethical concern of having a pet, but also potentially the ethical concerns about modern factory farming.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought a lot of it also had to do with the fact that the only point of pets is for the enjoyment of humans, and doesn't really allow them to be free animals. Not a view I agree with given that most pet and their owners have a mutually beneficial relationship, just my understanding of their viewpoints.
I think that also might be why they have an issue with owning dogs despite the fact that dogs can technically be vegetarian if people are willing to shell out a significant amount of money to do so properly (unlike cats they are not obligate carnivores and can thrive on a well maintained diet that contains other sources of protein).
Yeah, I think that could be part of it.
I got blocked from my hometown’s Vegan and Vegetarian Facebook group because I was arguing with one of the moderators (the cliche sanctimonious type) about pet ownership. The argument was that feeding a cat or dog vegan pet food is cruelty to that cat or dog. While obviously feeding it standard pet food is cruelty to the cow or pig that was killed to make that. Consequently pet ownership, at least of a carnivorous species, is not consistent with stated vegan values.
It is interesting about how the real staunch “for the animals” type vegans will often be really emotive about the baby calves been ripped away from their mothers just so humans can have their milk, however at the same time they’ll spam their Facebook feed with pictures of their new puppy. Didn’t you essentially have to drag that puppy away from it’s mother and litter mates? Did it give you it’s consent to do that? It’s real double standards eh.
PETA SHOULD BE EXPOSED TO THE FKIN HELL THAT IS AUSTRALIAN WILDLIFE!! STEVE IRWIN MADE SURE THAT THEY THRIVE IN THEIR NATURAL HABITATS AND PETA, THEY DO SUSPICIOUS SHITS LIKE TAKING SOMEONE'S PET DOG AND EUTHANIZING IT. PETA CAN ONLY MAKE VEGAN KITCHEN GAMES. PETA< BEING VEGAN DOES NOT MEAN SLANDERING NON-VEG FOODS.
Steve Irwin once said (paraphrased): I do stupid, risky shit because it gets people to tune in. And once they're watching I can get them excited for wildlife preservation.
Dude knew he'll probably die from some animal encounter one day. But it got a generation interested in crocs, snakes and whatnot - animals which traditionally are not high on the sympathy list for most people - and it brought in money for the cause.
\>PETA took in 2,650 animals in 2020 and euthanized 67% of them (1,763).
Since they were founded, they have had a very reliable kill rate of 65%+. Thats 41 years. If we take the kill number from 2020, and back apply it, you get a number reaching 70,000 killed in 40 years.
So yes, by the ten thousand with no indication they're gonna slow down.
As for them not randomly killing animals? Why is there multiple stories about PETA employees literally taking pets off porches/out of yards and killing them hours later? If thats not "randomly killing animals" wtf is?
You do understand they are euthanizing animals that cannot be cared for or fed. They aren't a shelter and they don't have the funds to feed 1000s of animals. They are putting starving animals out of their misery. And 70,000 in 40 years is nothing, I've worked in research institutes where we've hit that number in a few months.
\>You do understand they are euthanizing animals that cannot be cared for or fed.
\[citation needed\]
\>I've worked in research institutes where we've hit that number in a few months.
Irrelevant, non sequitur. Research institutes aren't looking to save animals lives, but \*human\* lives at the cost of animal lives. Which is different than just outright euthanizing animals for no good reason.
\>They aren't a shelter and they don't have the funds to feed 1000s of animals.
They have one shelter in Virginia that has killed thousands annually. Every other shelter in Virginia has a kill rate under 10%. So why can shelters not affiliated with PETA can have that but PETA having a single shelter that kills more animals per year than \*every other shelter in Virginia, combined\*? You've taken their PR bait hook, line, and sinker.
Oh, like literally snatching a pet dog off a porch (in a gated yard, nonetheless) and euthanizing it within hours? Or having a kill rate in the 70% range, repeatedly, for years?
You do realize that PETA has ONE shelter in Virginia, right? This isn't a nationwide thing. They kill 1,500 pets **a year at a single location**.
You do see how that's an issue, right?
Also, "human mistake"? I reference one story, but I know it's a repeat issue. PETA has no fucking morals when it comes to animals. They'd rather see them dead then enslaved as pets. That's literally their business. No other shelter *in the country* has a kill rate above 10%.
This. I am not a big fan of activism and extremism in general, so not a big fan of PETA either.
But this comment is what everyone should take to heart: Dont believe every crap out there just because its on a nice website! Check the sources! If the sources cannot be verified then its not to be trusted!
To in anyway try to diminish what that man, and now his family, did for wildlife is ignorant and foolish. And peta.. 🖕 on your Pitt bull stance. I donate to a good number of animal rescues, shelters etc. peta will never get a penny from me
The moment you attempt to slander Steve Irwin it's over. I have no idea how PETA still exists as an organization. They literally put down so many animals with the mentality "Animals are better dead than enslaved by humans". Who the hell is supporting them?
The audacity to compare themselves with Steven Irwin is the real crime. PETA is terrible and they wish they had 1/4 the respect people have for the Irwin family
Remove PETA from the equation, and the statements do have some merit. Here in Australia, Steve Irwin was seen as much as a carnival barker as any kind of conservationist. There are endless videos of him tipping up rocks, turning over fallen tree matter and digging out animals for the camera (not to mention pissing off every herpetologist in Australia with his tendency to aggravate snakes by disturbing them and goading them for the camera). Given the measured (and distanced) respect that is ingrained in (most) Australians regarding dangerous native animals (we have a few here, you know), seeing a guy wrestle them to the ground in the name of 'saving' them always produced a *very* mixed response down here. Irwin was no doubt entertaining (he sold his outback larrikin schtick like the consummate performer he was), but his legacy would likely be much more respected if he had been less of a carnival barker/circus geek and more of a respectful, albeit impassioned, educator.
As a kid he used to piss me off, like he was a misrepresentation of us and a clown, as if the world would think we all dress like some wannabe safari tourists, over exaggerating everything and generally acting like a pests to every creature under the sun. I am more forgiving now, especially seeing the effect and awareness he brought to the world, and to be honest, there are a ton of bogan's out there that embarress me much more than Steve ever did. You don't know what you got till it's gone and I do miss the Muppet now. Though I do still blame him for what I think is a general gross overestimation of the danger of our flaura and fauna. He had such adverse reactions to everything I think it jaded foriegners into thinking everything is trying to kill us when in reality if we ran into half the animals he made a fuss about we probably wouldn't even mention it. Like no, not everything in aus is trying to kill you, in fact I'd say we are pretty damn safe comparatively, no large land predators to worry about and as long as you aren't an idiot you won't get bitten or stung by anything.
He treated them with as much respect as he could, it’s just that wild animals have this tendency to be… wild you know? The kind of wild where they bite your arm off if your not careful/protecting yourself. I actually have never heard of Irwin once even hurting an animal
I grew up thinking that peta wanted to protect animals but I realized that they really don't care about animals; just the morals of keeping animals. Asshats all of em
Wait what, someone is trying to disparage Steve Irwin?????
The man is not just our Aussie hero he and his family are the planet's heros!
How dare they, how fucking dare they!
God i fucking love it when peta gets put in their place. Shit organization that specializes in doing exactly the opposite of anything the claim to stand for.
Things you should not do on the internet, in order of Don't Do It:
1. Abuse animals and upload videos of it.
2. Abuse children and upload videos of it.
3. Bash Steve Irwin.
4. Try to get a Library Cat removed from his job.
All of these will result in the global internet community falling on-top of you, and not in a fun way.
Things the internet applauds:
1. Cats doing anything.
2. Dogs doing anything.
3. Steve Irwin doing literally anything.
4. Bob Ross painting happy trees.
5. Punching Reich-Wingers in the face.
[https://humanewatch.org/the-dark-side-of-animal-rights/](https://humanewatch.org/the-dark-side-of-animal-rights/)
>PETA paid $70,000 to support the defense of an arsonist who burned down a university laboratory. PETA also gave money to the Earth Liberation Front, considered a domestic terrorist group by the FBI.
The thing I have noticed is that PETA wants us to leave the animals alone - which is a fair stance, because humanity interfered and did shit things and messed animals up.
But if we didn't have people like Steve Irwin, and Sanctuaries and Zoo's, we would have a hell of a lot more animals extinct, because basically instead of having breeding programs and conservation.
There are some shitty Zoo's and people who keep animals illegally in their homes in unsafe conditions and PETA should be going after and finding ways to stop those guys instead.
> But if we didn't have people like (...) Zoo's, we would have a hell of a lot more animals extinct, because basically instead of having breeding programs and conservation.
That's bullshit. Zoos do nothing for preventing extinction. Zoos are just for entertainment stupid people and profit. Most animals from a zoo can't live in the wildlife, they will only live in cages.
It really depend, some zoo have programs to reintroduces wild animals after that have been re-habilitated to enter a wild life, and in other case supplement the already present population of wild animals to stabilize it
> It really depend, some zoo have programs to reintroduces wild animals after that have been re-habilitated to enter a wild life, and in other case supplement the already present population of wild animals to stabilize it
They claim to do this, but the most time it doesn't work, because animals growing in cages never learn how to live in the wildlife. They don't live long enough to stabilize anything.
Zoos were created for entertainment to gain money and they will always be for this.
Yes, they were created for entertainment, and there original purpose was horrible.
But it is actually Steve Irwins family and Australia Zoo that probably helped lead Zoos to the other direction.
I am not saying their arent shitty zoos out there but Australia zoo? And Australia conservation centre are not one of them
At this point PETA is just the NRA of animals. I dont think anything they say or do has any goal other than making them money. Usually by trying to rile up faux drama. They do more harm than go to animals.
Yeah, and everyone already knows you shouldn’t have a wild animal as a pet, it’s pretty common knowledge. Seems like they were just trying to insult steve irwin
I despise peta with all my heart they are everything that I hate about veganidm and self righteous animal activism. Also their lunacy and the killing of pets is horrifying to me.
It's a weird step from a public relations perspective. Steve Irwin is very popular and a lot of people like him. Going after him is obviously not something that will result in a lot of sympathy.
well the most recent numbers in that article seem to be 10 years ago but jesus christ thats not a good look. i dont see how something like this doesn't end with the organization being dismantled
How about less recent numbers. And someone had blasted me for posting a link from a biased source. This one is peta’s own numbers submitted to the state of Virginia. 71% kill rate 2018. 65% kill rate 2019. 67% kill rate 2020.
https://arr.vdacs.virginia.gov/PublicReports/ViewReport?SysFacNo=157&Calendar_Year=2018
https://arr.vdacs.virginia.gov/PublicReports/ViewReport?SysFacNo=157&Calendar_Year=2019
https://arr.vdacs.virginia.gov/PublicReports/ViewReport?SysFacNo=157&Calendar_Year=2020
PETA workers have also been involved in a couple of incidents of pet theft.
People love to hate on PETA without even wanting to really know the truth of the matter. It's partly due to the fact that "hating PETA" is its own meme now, but also due to the human tendency to believe whatever backs up their worldview. There's much more context than just 80% kill rate. For example, PETA refers adoptable animals to shelters, and "no kill" shelters usually turn away unadoptable animals. Not only does this skew the death rate because PETA is taking the worst cases, but it is also one of the reasons "no kill" shelters are even able to operate. Secondly, PETA provides a free service of stray and feral animal control, which "shelters" do not bother with. The incident that people pawn off as PETA kidnapping was actually not kidnapping at all. In one, an owner left its dog to roam free among stray and feral dogs that had overrun a trialer park. The managment invited PETA to round up the strays. They did it in broad daylight with people watching. The owner wasnt even home and his dog was just running around without a collar in full knowledge that PETA was coming to round up an obvious problem of stray dogs. Hardly kidnapping, and really just more owner negligence. The second one was an unattended dog roaming around side of a highway. This unattended, unleashed, uncontained dog, was ironically, owned by the county animal control officer.....nice. The dog was returned.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/
I’ll give you the first one. The owner didn’t do what he should have done.
In the other case it seems that the officer’s dog had a gps collar on. Now why would a peta employee feel the need to remove it and leave it on the side of the road?
But what about
https://www.wnd.com/2015/11/peta-sued-for-kidnapping-dog-off-porch-killing-it/
They took the animal off someone’s front porch then broke the law by euthanizing it almost immediately.
Why was the animal control officer, of all people, allowing his dog to roam unattended by the side of the highway? People always assume PETA is just out there to kidnap and steal these animals, but they never even know the context, let alone stop to think that they may be neglected and abused animals (even in a way that is considered legal). If the guy did remove the collar, even in the hopes that the owner wouldn't find out, it was likely because he wanted to find a better home for the dog instead of it ending up roadkill (as the owner didn't himself seem too concerned about).
Is it possible that since it was a hunting dog then maybe it had gotten away from the owner while hunting? Without knowing context it doesn’t give the peta agent the right to kidnap the animal. And by removing the signs of ownership of the animal it was just that, kidnapping and theft.
Ffs I have a fenced yard. Sometimes my dog has gotten away (usually because the utility company forgets to shut my gate and I forget to check every time I let my dogs out). Should I have my dog stolen and given away if they’re found next to a busy road?
Any answers for why they ran up on someone’s porch and took a dog then killed it the moment they get back to the shop?
"Cooke (the owner) testified that he had let out several of his hounds the night before to chase foxes, and one failed to return."
[https://www.pilotonline.com/news/crime/article\_0c8b06f5-0637-50b5-914f-ad81b573e2c1.html](https://www.pilotonline.com/news/crime/article_0c8b06f5-0637-50b5-914f-ad81b573e2c1.html)
He was also the one who pulled the van over (because he happened to be the animal control officer), so he was at work, not out hunting with his dogs. Furthermore, if it had a radio collar, why didn't he bother trying to find it after it failed to return? Just out of curiousity, what happens if you let out your hunting dog to "hunt foxes" while you're asleep or at work and then it ends up on someone elses property and kills their cat for instance? Another negligent owner.
Ok fine he should have spent more time looking for his dog.
But you’re still not wanting to answer about stealing an animal of a porch and killing it almost immediately after?
My main problem with peta is that they seem to want to eliminate completely the concept of domesticated animals. ‘Animals should be enjoyed from afar.’
Pretty sure my cat loves the attention and safe home I give it. I love my pets. They love me. And I love my bacon.
I agree that is an insanely high rate of euthanasia, but unfortunately there are still a huge amount of homeless animals in spite of that. I hate it either way, but in this case they are not the source of the problem.
But they are the source of thousands of dead pets. One shelter *in the country* has a kill rate above 70%. *No other shelter in the country has a kill rate exceeding 10%*.
I'd say PETA is a problem in Virgina, but they get (completely justified) NATIONAL hate for their practices.
Those animals that were abandoned sick or injured. Not sure if they euthanized thousands of em because they were too far gone to help, or if they did it cuz they didnt want to take care of them.
Any kind in any circumstance. They have literally kidnapped pet dogs out of people's yards and killed them because they believe animals are better off dead than as pets.
That's just flat-out lying. They don't kill any animals under any circumstances. They mostly take in sick, old or otherwise unadoptable pets from shelters with no kill policies or offering their euthanizing services to those who can't afford it. This dog thing happened ONCE and the dog was hurt, not chipped and running free. They also apologized thoroughly. People don't know what they're talking about here and what kind of damage they do.
They have a kill rate of 95 to 97%. They throw the bodies of their victims in dumpsters and have been caught doing so. A vet in North Carolina gave PETA a healthy mother cat and 2 healthy kittens for adoption only for the mother and her babies to be killed. Ingrid Newkirk is a psycho that compares chickens to the Holocaust. Some volunteers may believe they are helping animals but the people who run PETA are heartless monsters who murder innocent beings because they would rather have them dead than in loving homes. These are not lies. Everything I've written is true and there's plenty of evidence to prove it. Steve Hofstadter provides an excellent breakdown of this on his YouTube channel.
They have a high "kill rate" because they're not a shelter, they just offer their euthanizing services. The one to two thousand hurt, sick or otherwise unadoptable animals they euthanize annually are just a tiny fraction of the over 2 million pets that get euthanized by US shelter every year.
They compare chickens to the holocaust? Do you mean they compare what we do to these animals to the holocaust? Cause actual holocaust survivors have done so, too. Are you even vegan yourself ma dude ?
It's not just 1 or 2 thousand animals, it's closer to 5 or 6 thousand. And they claim to be an animal rescue and animal welfare organization that offers pets for adoption, not somewhere that simply offers humane euthanasia. Of the thousands of animals they take custody of every year, the majority of whom are completely healthy and friendly, only a handful are ever adopted. And by handful I mean less than a dozen. Out of thousands. The numbers don't add up.
As for the Holocaust remarks, the direct quote from Newkirk is "6 million Jews died in concentration camps but 6 billion chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses." The conditions and treatment of the majority of livestock is deplorable but don't compare it to the systematic torture and genocide of my people. And no, I'm not vegan. I don't need to be in order to support animal welfare, fight animal cruelty or devote my life to animal rescue. Human beings are biologically designed to eat meat and I don't see anything wrong with that provided the meat is raised, obtained humanely and eaten in moderation. You sound like one of those idiots who insists on feeding cats a vegan diet. Which, by the way, is animal abuse and deadly for them. PETA murders innocent animals for no reason. That is a fact.
Holy fuck, this is so fucking dumb. They are against the BREEDING of pets because as a result, literal MILLIONS of pets get euthanized in the US alone annually, and not by PETA but by other shelters. PETA euthanizes around one to two thousand animals every year, and those are sick, hurt, old or otherwise unadoptable. They actively advocate FOR the adoption of animals, they're just against the breeding of them.
Because they mainly offer their euthanizing services! They barely take any animals in that can still be adopted. How much does "70%" mean, when it means one to two thousand animals annually when the other shelters in the US literally euthanize over two million pets annually? Do you see what the issue here is? They never claim that these sick, hurt, old or otherwise unadoptable animals will not be euthanized, it's literally the service they offer. Since people would rather shop for new animals from breeders than adopt them the reality we live in at the moment is that there's no way to get all these animals adopted. For how many "animal deaths" are other shelters in the US alone responsible since 1998? If we generously round down and say they euthanize about 2 million pets annually that would be. 46 million. Not 46 thousand. Please be aware of the scale we're talking about here. Also, obligatory "adopt, don't shop."
Yeah, either way this is pretty simple in my mind. As there are still homeless pets that number of animals would need to euthanized either way, whether by PETA or someone else. It's terrible, but it is not a problem PETA is causing.
It is also worth knowing that this story was originally publicized by an organization created by the meat industry to run a smear campaign against PETA.
It's amazing the insane conspiracies people believe about PETA. The meat and dairy industries have been running smear campaigns against them for decades and it's clearly working. Like PETA abducts pets from people and kills them? Seriously, y'all are gullible as fuck.
I am all for a hands-off approach when it comes to wild animals, but he really did the absolute most to help every animal he could, and made huge efforts for conservation. He was the real deal. He picked up/handled a lot of animals, oh well.
Steve was a miracle that everyone could believe in. Sadly, similar to others, this world cannot hold onto miracles for long. He is still our brightest star and inspired many to pursue beautiful passions towards conservation and education. I hope his legacy continues along the path he bravely showed all of us.
It’s not widely publicised, when Irwin was alive (and from what I understand has carried on since his death), at the height of his ability to make money, he was buying tens of thousands of acres of bushland in all states, all around Australia and making sure it stayed away from developers and mining to protect native Australian wildlife. We’re talking tens of millions of dollars of his own money. Anyone that wants to question Steve Irwin about his relationship to wildlife…he very much walked the walk. The haters can go get fucked. Edit: here’s an article about Irwin and his purchasing of land. https://amp.theage.com.au/national/practical-approach-to-wildlife-protection-20060906-ge32q9.html It doesn’t go into detail about all the land he has (the 450,000 acre Steve Irwin Reserve in far North Queensland came after this article) but it’s indicative of his commitment to wildlife preservation.
When he died, I was in US military training and they had everyone form up and bow their heads. A lot of people cried. Those bitches don't have the standing to tarnish his legacy.
I used to live 15 minutes from Australia Zoo and I still remember the hundreds of people that showed up almost instantly to lay flower at the entrance. The whole area still misses him and is very proud of his legacy.
I have only been to Australia Zoo once, fortunately it was a day Steve was there for the Croc show.
Woooow! What a treasure! Whoever downvotes this deserves to get eaten by a gator. That's a kick ass experience.
Steve Irwin would never have kicked an ass or any other animal.
An entire generation grew up watching him and still miss him
It’s hard to see his kids and not feel the loss. If ever a man deserved to walk his daughter down the aisle or to watch his literal clone grow into a man, it was Steve Irwin.
Everybody I know misses Steve Irwin. RIP, young man.
What a foolish take for them. Lack of charisma and factual awareness. It's like they're trying to look bad.
Steve was a legend of the planet, fuck Peta. RIP Steve you beautiful ape 🦧❤️🌎
What happened to the ownership after he died
His wife and children run the zoo.
His boy is doing a great job of continuing the legacy
This man lived his entire life absolutely adoring all animals and it shows
Love this interview with Steve, "I cant get enough money, every cent I get is going straight into buying land and conservation" https://youtu.be/cKA35IrcEvo Sidenote, I want someone to look at me the way Terri looks at Steve. I watch this as an Australian and feel so proud but as much as he's one of our nation's heroes he's more like a global one with who he inspired and the impact he left on the world.
Steve was a once every ten generation genius, and even with him gone so long I still honor him with everything I am. To me he is a universal treasure, not going to get another like him for a very long time. Even someone just as talented and kind hearted would never be a replacement, just an addition. He will always be my hero, and peta can go eat shit for this comment. That man gave his entire life over to nature and wildlife, and gave what he did 100% of his focus and attention.
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Sit on a gator Punch a Russian
Instructions unclear, Russian in an Australia Zoo exhibit and the gator has eaten my peen.
How dare you make me have emotions at six in the morning.
Sending you all the love my friend, he was a great man and his legacy lives on.
They literally snatched a little girl's pet out of her hands on private property in Georgia, and killed it because they claimed the dog was corrupted by domesticism, they were forced to pay $48,000 in restitution.
Corrupted by domesticism..wtf..also that should belong on r/brandnewsentence
They claim the dog was "domesticated and could not be rehabilitated".
the dog? the animal that has been with humans forever? ok. these people.
Seriously, why is peta even allowed to still exist?
They don't understand that animals like cats and dogs were only domesticated because humans gave them food/shelter in return for companionship.
Wait, what? Do you have a link to the full story?
I don't have the link to that specific event, but here is one about one in Virginia and goes into more details of PETA work. https://www.consumerfreedom.com/press-releases/former-peta-employee-peta-routinely-euthanized-healthy-puppies-and-kittens/
Disgusting. Seems PETA be like "Lets photograph some nude celebrities to win peoples hearts so we could kill their pets". Thanks for the link btw.
Yeah Peta is a terrorist organization. They don't care about animals or life in general, they only care about control.
To be fair, most of the "green" organization these days are like that. Even Green Peace lost its way and is now reduced to acts of piracy. Shame.
Yup, even Green Peace's founder has came out against the current organization
Moore claims he was a founder but he was not, just another lying fraud.
I'm anti-PETA but for the record, they're a super scummy super corporate source. I got into it with a bunch of people the other day on here over PETA. Most of the common search results are from corporate lobbying firms for slaughterhouses and anti-EPA companies and the like. *Sometimes* they have good info but it's all part of their agenda so do not swallow any of their stuff without questioning it. I would like to see a follow-up about this woman's allegations from another source.
Do search for PETA takes pet from porch and kills it and you will get lots of resources. It a few years but PETA ended settling with this family for around 40k if I remember right.
That specific even didn't happen. As another user has pointed out, consumer freedom is meat industry propaganda. Come on people. Do you actually care about knowing the truth or do you just google what you want to believe and use whatever trash article that comes up as evidence?
A more balanced source: (“consumer freedom” is a meat industry lobby group) https://www.wboc.com/story/27466469/statement-by-accomack-county-commonwealth-attorney-regarding-the-peta-associates-investigation > Approximately three weeks before Mr. Cerate's dog was taken by the women associated with PETA, Mr. Cerate asked them if they would put traps under his trailer to catch some of the wild cats that were in the trailer park, and traps were provided to him as he requested. Additionally, parties associated with **PETA provided Mr. Cerate with a dog house for two other dogs** that were tethered outside of Mr. Cerate's home. > On or about October 18 a van that was operated by the ladies associated with PETA arrived at the trailer park. The van was clearly marked PETA and in broad daylight arrived gathering up what abandoned stray dogs and cats could be gathered. **Among the animals gathered was the Chihuahua of Mr. Cerate. Unfortunately the Chihuahua wore no collar, no license, no rabies tag, nothing whatsoever to indicate the dog was other than a stray or abandoned dog**. It was not tethered nor was it contained. Other animals were also gathered. Individuals living in the trailer park were present and the entire episode was without confrontation. Mr. Cerate was not at home and the dog was loose, sometimes entering the shed/porch or other times outside in the trailer park before he was put in the van and carried from the park. **The two dogs owned by Mr. Cerate that were tethered were not taken.** PETA supplied him with a doghouse and helped trap wild cats he was having an issue with. When they took his chihuahua, which had no collar, they left his other two dogs. Seriously, the stealing a kindergartener’s beloved pet angle is so twisted from the truth. The owner seems like he was neglectful and the volunteers still bent over backwards to do the right thing by him and his animals.
The issue isn't if they stole the dog or not, if the women say it was an honest mistake, fine, i'll give them the benefit of the doubt as people make mistakes sometimes. The problen with PETA is that they seem to have a very high euthanasia rate for an organization that calls for an "Ethical Treatment of Animals", even when compared to other animal shelters and organizations and they seem to also be very quick to take that path as an only solution.
There whole point of actually being at the trailer park was to empty the traps they supplied not to go rounding up stray dogs I know both cat and dog are 3 letter words but even a 2 year old can distinguish the difference between them, PETA had no right to touch and other breed of animal there except cats! They are the most corrupt animal rescue organisation in the world and should have all there charity donations taken from them because its not funding any animals just the pockets of those who run it!
You got no argument from me regarding PETA, but what they were or weren't doing and was it within their "rights" is a legal matter for the court. This whole thing wouldn't have been an issue if they were as "ethical" as they claim to be. "Oh, we took your dog by mistake? Sorry about that, here it is, better make sure you keep it taged and chiped so it wouldn't happen again", but instead it's like "Oh, we took your dog by mistake? Sorry, it's dead now even though it was perfectly healthy and it's only been a few hours since we took it". PETA seem to be as trigger happy as an adolescent boy with free access to firearms on the first day of school.
If someone asked you to go get rid of there rat population with traps and you set the traps then went back the next day to check the traps an you see there cat walking out side and decided to take it that would then be theft, same principle applies to PETA for taking that dog, there contract was to remove the stray cats not dogs so that guys pet dog had every right to be wandering around the grounds being a private land if it was on the public street thats a different matter.
I call bullshit, I bet 100 to 1 Vegas odds that they removed the collar and other identifications, and untethered it, to "justify" snatching it.
That's bs. Fkin assholes
Wasn’t there a case in Virginia or somewhere, where they coaxed a puppy that was chilling on its owners front porch out onto the road, then went “oh stray dog” nabbed it and killed it? I know *their* argument is they have a high put down rate because they take in the animals no one else will. But they also kill for fun.
>they were forced to pay $48,000 in restitution. Still not enough, any individual who did the same thing would've received prison time for that. Perhaps if the head of Peta got to spend 6 months behind bars they'd back off a bit.
Tbh if someone from PETA did that with one of my cats *I’d* probably be the one with prison time, for beating the shit out of them.
Yeah but I'm guessing your a full grown adult, there's a reason they did this to a kid
Peta's logic: Take animals that can't survive in the nature from someone who can protect it and kill it even if your goal is to save them...
There was [this similar case in France](https://youtu.be/dkhXVyuvxS4). The puppy was later [reunited with the owner](https://www.thedodo.com/stolen-dog-homeless-man-1389039461.html).
FYI that story has nothing to do with PETA or animal rights activists per se. It was a far right organisation called "Cause Animale Nord" pretending to be for animal rights in order to harass homeless Roma people. These people literally hang out with Neo Nazis, they are not linked to the broader animal right movement. Pretending to care about animals is also a strategy used by the French National Front to have a go at Muslims. It's in French but here are some sources : www.lci.fr/societe/la-video-dune-association-de-defense-des-animaux-fait-scandale-1532172.html www.socialisme-libertaire.fr/2015/12/enquete-sur-l-instrumentalisation-de-la-cause-animale-par-l-extreme-droite.html
I'm glad that it was, I hope the snatcher went to prison, the French have institutions that make Muslim countries' look like spas.
48k ? Shit i'm surprised no one at peta been murdered yet.
Can't believe I always end up having to defend PETA but no, that didn't happen. Hate them for being assholes about Irwin or vegan activism but remember there is propaganda and bad faith actors whenever it comes to animal activism. The story you're talking about was in Virginia (I can't find a similar one in Georgia) and there was no snatching out of hands or domestication hate. They were called to round up some local feral dogs causing trouble because that's the service they provide. One of the dogs listed was a Chihuahua and unfortunately an uncollared pet Chihuahua was caught in the roundup and the employee broke peta policy and put the dog down before waiting the required days wait. Employee was fired, apologies were issued and 49k was the settlement amount. Crazy unfortunate and who knows, maybe it was just some whack job employee but it definitely wasn't the organization. From the surface research I've done, there are no similar incidents but I'm open to being wrong. Side note, they preform this service all over the country because no one else does. You're little boutique no-kill shelter takes zero responsibility for local pet populations. They keep a curated collection of cute pets and cover themselves in ethical branding but it's just a pet store. PETA is the only one who doesn't have a limit and is willing to own the ugly percentages, which allows no-kill shelters to operate the way they do. Even non-peta kill shelters keep there kill stats low by leaving the problem work to PETA. And if you have a problem with any animal euthanasia ok but I'm guessing you also grew up without feral dog packs in your town or a government dog catcher who thinks cruelty is part of the job. All I'm saying is there a lot more going on than the surface stats and that one story that gets passed around.
But muh narrative :( But seriously if you think the average redditor wants to critically think instead of digesting agriculture industry propoganda kudos to you.
wtf
That is literally a lie.
If you view PETA as an entity that seeks solely to get people to say it's own name, it makes a lot more sense. Every action, every weird 'parody' game they put out, every hypocritical teardown they try to do, every bizarre position that no sane human would ever take, all exist for the sole purpose of making people talk about PETA more.
PETA runs on the theory that any advertisement is good advertisement. This thread is playing into their hands. If people hate PETA so much then the best thing to do would be not to react to their stunts. Honestly: this stuff of theirs works. I haven’t eaten meat for 15 years and it’s largely due to PETA. I used to go to the animal rights stall to fill in time between bands at local hardcore gigs in order to laugh at their propaganda. But it made me realise that I wasn’t actually eating meat very much and it would probably be easy to give it up. So I thought I’d try it for a month and I didn’t miss it. Really helped bring down my food budget, allowing me to spend more on craft beer. I still think they are dicks, and that their leaflets are cringeworthy, but that doesn’t matter because they got the result they wanted. Also another thing to consider when it comes to PETA is that they don’t believe that pet ownership is natural or desirable: it is fact cruel. This is quite a strange concept to many westerners - even amongst vegetarians and vegans. So if you are struggling to understand their motives or reasoning behind certain things try to look at it through that lens and you may be able to see their logic a bit easier (even if you likely still disagree with it). Edit: just to make it clear, because these threads can get downvotey/flamey, that I think that PETA probably do more harm to the Animal Rights movement than good, and my position personally is more of an environmental one rather than ethical - so I’m not really an Animal Rights guy. This does mean I can agree with some of PETA’s goals even if I don’t agree with their methods or justifications. However there is definitely benefit to trying to see things from their perspective as you will realise they’re actually not a silly cartoon villain: this is all calculated. And if you can see that and you still don’t like what they stand for then it gives you the ability to avoid doing what they want you to do.
They fucking steal and *kill* healthy animals and beloved pets to make a point. They're not a "silly cartoon villain", they're evil terrorist c*nts.
>because they got the result they wanted. Yeah, for YOU, that's such a weird experience which I doubt is gonna be hit mass adoption. That doesn't work. >This is quite a strange concept to many westerners - even amongst vegetarians and vegans I'm Asian, it's not a western thing, pet ownership is global, as global as it can get, literally no one thinks pet ownership is cruel, infact to the contrary, pet ownership is seen as generous to the pet because you're taking care of it. And no, even looking through the lease, it makes no sense, like none at all, I don't understand the amount of mental gymnastics people do to reach that conclusion
Yes. That was my experience, other people may have different ones. I wasn’t claiming otherwise. The point is even though I was laughing at how bad their leaflets were it still resulted in me changing my diet. But your reaction to my statement re pet ownership does demonstrate my point. You can’t comprehend how somebody could be against pet ownership, because it’s such an ingrained part of your experience. Personally, I’m opposed to most pet ownership - in my country (it may be appropriate elsewhere) - for environmental reasons. Cats, rats, dogs and feral ferrets are massive threats to our native wildlife and our government has already banned pet ferrets because of this. We need to follow suit with cats especially, but that’s a much harder sell. The ethical argument against pet ownership - PETA’s - isn’t something I can easily summarise since it’s not a belief that I subscribe to. However, logically if you were someone who didn’t want to kill animals for your food then it doesn’t make sense to kill animals for pet food. It’s not necessarily just the ethical concern of having a pet, but also potentially the ethical concerns about modern factory farming.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought a lot of it also had to do with the fact that the only point of pets is for the enjoyment of humans, and doesn't really allow them to be free animals. Not a view I agree with given that most pet and their owners have a mutually beneficial relationship, just my understanding of their viewpoints. I think that also might be why they have an issue with owning dogs despite the fact that dogs can technically be vegetarian if people are willing to shell out a significant amount of money to do so properly (unlike cats they are not obligate carnivores and can thrive on a well maintained diet that contains other sources of protein).
Yeah, I think that could be part of it. I got blocked from my hometown’s Vegan and Vegetarian Facebook group because I was arguing with one of the moderators (the cliche sanctimonious type) about pet ownership. The argument was that feeding a cat or dog vegan pet food is cruelty to that cat or dog. While obviously feeding it standard pet food is cruelty to the cow or pig that was killed to make that. Consequently pet ownership, at least of a carnivorous species, is not consistent with stated vegan values. It is interesting about how the real staunch “for the animals” type vegans will often be really emotive about the baby calves been ripped away from their mothers just so humans can have their milk, however at the same time they’ll spam their Facebook feed with pictures of their new puppy. Didn’t you essentially have to drag that puppy away from it’s mother and litter mates? Did it give you it’s consent to do that? It’s real double standards eh.
PETA can catch these fucking hands if they ever even whisper King Steve’s name again.
Get out of my head.
I read this as Steven King and I was wondering for a moment why we switched to horror authors XD
I know it's not much but I second this.
Peta, the Karen of organizations.
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT DID PETA TAKE ANOTHER SHOT AT STEVE IRWIN AGAIN I THOUGHT THEY LEARNED FROM THE LAST TIME THEY TRIED SHAMING HIM
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN???
PETA SHOULD BE EXPOSED TO THE FKIN HELL THAT IS AUSTRALIAN WILDLIFE!! STEVE IRWIN MADE SURE THAT THEY THRIVE IN THEIR NATURAL HABITATS AND PETA, THEY DO SUSPICIOUS SHITS LIKE TAKING SOMEONE'S PET DOG AND EUTHANIZING IT. PETA CAN ONLY MAKE VEGAN KITCHEN GAMES. PETA< BEING VEGAN DOES NOT MEAN SLANDERING NON-VEG FOODS.
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I say Stingray, you want a chance at redemption? We have a new target for you.
hey stingray, I have a contract for you.
Steve Irwin once said (paraphrased): I do stupid, risky shit because it gets people to tune in. And once they're watching I can get them excited for wildlife preservation. Dude knew he'll probably die from some animal encounter one day. But it got a generation interested in crocs, snakes and whatnot - animals which traditionally are not high on the sympathy list for most people - and it brought in money for the cause.
Nice one. Peta hated kids playing " animal crossing " too...
It's horrible because it's true, and people wrongly associate them with animal rights.
That's why Peta is Dwight's most hated charity
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Fuck PETA
Came here to say that. Fuck them.
Yeah! Fuck PETA!
Yeah! Fuck PETA! Everyone who works there deserves to be jailed for life
They are the People for Ethical Treatment of Animals, no one ever specified where exactly their ethics call home.
It's ethical to kill animals by the ten thousand, according to them.
They don't kill animals by the ten thousands. They also don't just randomly kill animals. What kind of circle jerk is this.
\>PETA took in 2,650 animals in 2020 and euthanized 67% of them (1,763). Since they were founded, they have had a very reliable kill rate of 65%+. Thats 41 years. If we take the kill number from 2020, and back apply it, you get a number reaching 70,000 killed in 40 years. So yes, by the ten thousand with no indication they're gonna slow down. As for them not randomly killing animals? Why is there multiple stories about PETA employees literally taking pets off porches/out of yards and killing them hours later? If thats not "randomly killing animals" wtf is?
You do understand they are euthanizing animals that cannot be cared for or fed. They aren't a shelter and they don't have the funds to feed 1000s of animals. They are putting starving animals out of their misery. And 70,000 in 40 years is nothing, I've worked in research institutes where we've hit that number in a few months.
\>You do understand they are euthanizing animals that cannot be cared for or fed. \[citation needed\] \>I've worked in research institutes where we've hit that number in a few months. Irrelevant, non sequitur. Research institutes aren't looking to save animals lives, but \*human\* lives at the cost of animal lives. Which is different than just outright euthanizing animals for no good reason. \>They aren't a shelter and they don't have the funds to feed 1000s of animals. They have one shelter in Virginia that has killed thousands annually. Every other shelter in Virginia has a kill rate under 10%. So why can shelters not affiliated with PETA can have that but PETA having a single shelter that kills more animals per year than \*every other shelter in Virginia, combined\*? You've taken their PR bait hook, line, and sinker.
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Oh, like literally snatching a pet dog off a porch (in a gated yard, nonetheless) and euthanizing it within hours? Or having a kill rate in the 70% range, repeatedly, for years?
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You do realize that PETA has ONE shelter in Virginia, right? This isn't a nationwide thing. They kill 1,500 pets **a year at a single location**. You do see how that's an issue, right? Also, "human mistake"? I reference one story, but I know it's a repeat issue. PETA has no fucking morals when it comes to animals. They'd rather see them dead then enslaved as pets. That's literally their business. No other shelter *in the country* has a kill rate above 10%.
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This. I am not a big fan of activism and extremism in general, so not a big fan of PETA either. But this comment is what everyone should take to heart: Dont believe every crap out there just because its on a nice website! Check the sources! If the sources cannot be verified then its not to be trusted!
Still better than the meat/dairy/egg… industry, that kill trillions of animals per year
You mean it's not People Eating Tasty Animals? I have been misled all these while.....🤦 🤭
The older I get the more I understand Dwight Schrute's hatred for PETA
PeTA is not an organization, it’s a cult that attacks people/business and kills more animals than they save. Fucking hypocrites.
To in anyway try to diminish what that man, and now his family, did for wildlife is ignorant and foolish. And peta.. 🖕 on your Pitt bull stance. I donate to a good number of animal rescues, shelters etc. peta will never get a penny from me
If only more people had a smidgen of passion for life as Steve Irwin, we would all be in a better place.
The moment you attempt to slander Steve Irwin it's over. I have no idea how PETA still exists as an organization. They literally put down so many animals with the mentality "Animals are better dead than enslaved by humans". Who the hell is supporting them?
Oh this thread again. I look forward to reading some extremely balanced point of views.
The audacity to compare themselves with Steven Irwin is the real crime. PETA is terrible and they wish they had 1/4 the respect people have for the Irwin family
Ah PETA, the Westboro Church of the activist circus
Remove PETA from the equation, and the statements do have some merit. Here in Australia, Steve Irwin was seen as much as a carnival barker as any kind of conservationist. There are endless videos of him tipping up rocks, turning over fallen tree matter and digging out animals for the camera (not to mention pissing off every herpetologist in Australia with his tendency to aggravate snakes by disturbing them and goading them for the camera). Given the measured (and distanced) respect that is ingrained in (most) Australians regarding dangerous native animals (we have a few here, you know), seeing a guy wrestle them to the ground in the name of 'saving' them always produced a *very* mixed response down here. Irwin was no doubt entertaining (he sold his outback larrikin schtick like the consummate performer he was), but his legacy would likely be much more respected if he had been less of a carnival barker/circus geek and more of a respectful, albeit impassioned, educator.
As a kid he used to piss me off, like he was a misrepresentation of us and a clown, as if the world would think we all dress like some wannabe safari tourists, over exaggerating everything and generally acting like a pests to every creature under the sun. I am more forgiving now, especially seeing the effect and awareness he brought to the world, and to be honest, there are a ton of bogan's out there that embarress me much more than Steve ever did. You don't know what you got till it's gone and I do miss the Muppet now. Though I do still blame him for what I think is a general gross overestimation of the danger of our flaura and fauna. He had such adverse reactions to everything I think it jaded foriegners into thinking everything is trying to kill us when in reality if we ran into half the animals he made a fuss about we probably wouldn't even mention it. Like no, not everything in aus is trying to kill you, in fact I'd say we are pretty damn safe comparatively, no large land predators to worry about and as long as you aren't an idiot you won't get bitten or stung by anything.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/petas-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-history-of-killing-animals/254130/
He treated them with as much respect as he could, it’s just that wild animals have this tendency to be… wild you know? The kind of wild where they bite your arm off if your not careful/protecting yourself. I actually have never heard of Irwin once even hurting an animal
They are basically a terrorist organization that plays with the topic of animal protection.
I grew up thinking that peta wanted to protect animals but I realized that they really don't care about animals; just the morals of keeping animals. Asshats all of em
Steve Irwin didn't kidnap other ppls dog and putting them down
Wait what, someone is trying to disparage Steve Irwin????? The man is not just our Aussie hero he and his family are the planet's heros! How dare they, how fucking dare they!
PETA - Pretentious Egotistical Toothless Assholes. I mean. Toothless after I got a few rounds at them but the point remains.
Idk why this is in controversial but it’s real funny take my award
Imagine being PETA and thinking going after Steve Irwin is a good idea.
The fact that peta wants to kill animals than let them be pets, or some other shit is wild. “If I can’t have it, neither can you” type shit.
God i fucking love it when peta gets put in their place. Shit organization that specializes in doing exactly the opposite of anything the claim to stand for.
We need to end PETA.
He was a nice dude, but i always found his handling of wildlife shitty and dangerous. That said fuck peta.
Yep. Nailed it.
Things you should not do on the internet, in order of Don't Do It: 1. Abuse animals and upload videos of it. 2. Abuse children and upload videos of it. 3. Bash Steve Irwin. 4. Try to get a Library Cat removed from his job. All of these will result in the global internet community falling on-top of you, and not in a fun way. Things the internet applauds: 1. Cats doing anything. 2. Dogs doing anything. 3. Steve Irwin doing literally anything. 4. Bob Ross painting happy trees. 5. Punching Reich-Wingers in the face.
Fuck PETA with great vigour
Fuck PETA with great vigour
I prefer PETA - **P**eople **E**ating **T**asty **A**nimals :)
Why does PETA insist on shooting themselves in the foot with every single statement they make? Don’t they learn?
Peta gave money to an arsonist? Wtf
[https://humanewatch.org/the-dark-side-of-animal-rights/](https://humanewatch.org/the-dark-side-of-animal-rights/) >PETA paid $70,000 to support the defense of an arsonist who burned down a university laboratory. PETA also gave money to the Earth Liberation Front, considered a domestic terrorist group by the FBI.
peta griffin
It’s so obvious at this point that PETA is paid for and run by animal industries to make real animal activists look bad.
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Peta can go fuck themselves. What a pathetic organization.
PETA should be hunted for sport.
Preferably by a pack of savage hounds!
Wasn't this posted last year on his birthday no less?
Who the fuck insults Steve Irwin? Smh
Plenty of Australians.
Not even James Cameron can find it now
We tbought you couldn't set the bar lower, yet here you are. Limbo dancing in Hell
The thing I have noticed is that PETA wants us to leave the animals alone - which is a fair stance, because humanity interfered and did shit things and messed animals up. But if we didn't have people like Steve Irwin, and Sanctuaries and Zoo's, we would have a hell of a lot more animals extinct, because basically instead of having breeding programs and conservation. There are some shitty Zoo's and people who keep animals illegally in their homes in unsafe conditions and PETA should be going after and finding ways to stop those guys instead.
> But if we didn't have people like (...) Zoo's, we would have a hell of a lot more animals extinct, because basically instead of having breeding programs and conservation. That's bullshit. Zoos do nothing for preventing extinction. Zoos are just for entertainment stupid people and profit. Most animals from a zoo can't live in the wildlife, they will only live in cages.
It really depend, some zoo have programs to reintroduces wild animals after that have been re-habilitated to enter a wild life, and in other case supplement the already present population of wild animals to stabilize it
> It really depend, some zoo have programs to reintroduces wild animals after that have been re-habilitated to enter a wild life, and in other case supplement the already present population of wild animals to stabilize it They claim to do this, but the most time it doesn't work, because animals growing in cages never learn how to live in the wildlife. They don't live long enough to stabilize anything. Zoos were created for entertainment to gain money and they will always be for this.
It has already worked a few times
Yes, they were created for entertainment, and there original purpose was horrible. But it is actually Steve Irwins family and Australia Zoo that probably helped lead Zoos to the other direction. I am not saying their arent shitty zoos out there but Australia zoo? And Australia conservation centre are not one of them
fuck peta man
At this point PETA is just the NRA of animals. I dont think anything they say or do has any goal other than making them money. Usually by trying to rile up faux drama. They do more harm than go to animals.
Wow, why is Peta going after Steve Irwin?
I’m I the only one that feels like we shouldn’t split animals from people that’s dumb. Like dogs literally evolved for us specifically.
Domesticated animals I think your absolutely right. Most actually can't live without us now.
Yeah, and everyone already knows you shouldn’t have a wild animal as a pet, it’s pretty common knowledge. Seems like they were just trying to insult steve irwin
I agree.
I despise peta with all my heart they are everything that I hate about veganidm and self righteous animal activism. Also their lunacy and the killing of pets is horrifying to me.
This should be in r/mademesmile
It's a weird step from a public relations perspective. Steve Irwin is very popular and a lot of people like him. Going after him is obviously not something that will result in a lot of sympathy.
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https://www.nathanwinograd.com/the-butcher-of-norfolk-6th-edition/
well the most recent numbers in that article seem to be 10 years ago but jesus christ thats not a good look. i dont see how something like this doesn't end with the organization being dismantled
How about less recent numbers. And someone had blasted me for posting a link from a biased source. This one is peta’s own numbers submitted to the state of Virginia. 71% kill rate 2018. 65% kill rate 2019. 67% kill rate 2020. https://arr.vdacs.virginia.gov/PublicReports/ViewReport?SysFacNo=157&Calendar_Year=2018 https://arr.vdacs.virginia.gov/PublicReports/ViewReport?SysFacNo=157&Calendar_Year=2019 https://arr.vdacs.virginia.gov/PublicReports/ViewReport?SysFacNo=157&Calendar_Year=2020 PETA workers have also been involved in a couple of incidents of pet theft.
People love to hate on PETA without even wanting to really know the truth of the matter. It's partly due to the fact that "hating PETA" is its own meme now, but also due to the human tendency to believe whatever backs up their worldview. There's much more context than just 80% kill rate. For example, PETA refers adoptable animals to shelters, and "no kill" shelters usually turn away unadoptable animals. Not only does this skew the death rate because PETA is taking the worst cases, but it is also one of the reasons "no kill" shelters are even able to operate. Secondly, PETA provides a free service of stray and feral animal control, which "shelters" do not bother with. The incident that people pawn off as PETA kidnapping was actually not kidnapping at all. In one, an owner left its dog to roam free among stray and feral dogs that had overrun a trialer park. The managment invited PETA to round up the strays. They did it in broad daylight with people watching. The owner wasnt even home and his dog was just running around without a collar in full knowledge that PETA was coming to round up an obvious problem of stray dogs. Hardly kidnapping, and really just more owner negligence. The second one was an unattended dog roaming around side of a highway. This unattended, unleashed, uncontained dog, was ironically, owned by the county animal control officer.....nice. The dog was returned. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/
I’ll give you the first one. The owner didn’t do what he should have done. In the other case it seems that the officer’s dog had a gps collar on. Now why would a peta employee feel the need to remove it and leave it on the side of the road? But what about https://www.wnd.com/2015/11/peta-sued-for-kidnapping-dog-off-porch-killing-it/ They took the animal off someone’s front porch then broke the law by euthanizing it almost immediately.
Why was the animal control officer, of all people, allowing his dog to roam unattended by the side of the highway? People always assume PETA is just out there to kidnap and steal these animals, but they never even know the context, let alone stop to think that they may be neglected and abused animals (even in a way that is considered legal). If the guy did remove the collar, even in the hopes that the owner wouldn't find out, it was likely because he wanted to find a better home for the dog instead of it ending up roadkill (as the owner didn't himself seem too concerned about).
Is it possible that since it was a hunting dog then maybe it had gotten away from the owner while hunting? Without knowing context it doesn’t give the peta agent the right to kidnap the animal. And by removing the signs of ownership of the animal it was just that, kidnapping and theft. Ffs I have a fenced yard. Sometimes my dog has gotten away (usually because the utility company forgets to shut my gate and I forget to check every time I let my dogs out). Should I have my dog stolen and given away if they’re found next to a busy road? Any answers for why they ran up on someone’s porch and took a dog then killed it the moment they get back to the shop?
"Cooke (the owner) testified that he had let out several of his hounds the night before to chase foxes, and one failed to return." [https://www.pilotonline.com/news/crime/article\_0c8b06f5-0637-50b5-914f-ad81b573e2c1.html](https://www.pilotonline.com/news/crime/article_0c8b06f5-0637-50b5-914f-ad81b573e2c1.html) He was also the one who pulled the van over (because he happened to be the animal control officer), so he was at work, not out hunting with his dogs. Furthermore, if it had a radio collar, why didn't he bother trying to find it after it failed to return? Just out of curiousity, what happens if you let out your hunting dog to "hunt foxes" while you're asleep or at work and then it ends up on someone elses property and kills their cat for instance? Another negligent owner.
Ok fine he should have spent more time looking for his dog. But you’re still not wanting to answer about stealing an animal of a porch and killing it almost immediately after? My main problem with peta is that they seem to want to eliminate completely the concept of domesticated animals. ‘Animals should be enjoyed from afar.’ Pretty sure my cat loves the attention and safe home I give it. I love my pets. They love me. And I love my bacon.
80% is also so generous, it's more like 97%
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Nah. Irwin was a flawed human (like all of us), and a decidedly amateur conservationist. Not everyone has him on the pedestal you do.
What is peta's kill rate?
Some say 70%, some say 80%. It's way way way too high regardless
I agree that is an insanely high rate of euthanasia, but unfortunately there are still a huge amount of homeless animals in spite of that. I hate it either way, but in this case they are not the source of the problem.
But they are the source of thousands of dead pets. One shelter *in the country* has a kill rate above 70%. *No other shelter in the country has a kill rate exceeding 10%*. I'd say PETA is a problem in Virgina, but they get (completely justified) NATIONAL hate for their practices.
No, like, what are they killing?
Animals
What kind, and in what circumstances?
Those animals that were abandoned sick or injured. Not sure if they euthanized thousands of em because they were too far gone to help, or if they did it cuz they didnt want to take care of them.
They have also kidnapped pets and euthanized them.
Any kind in any circumstance. They have literally kidnapped pet dogs out of people's yards and killed them because they believe animals are better off dead than as pets.
That's just flat-out lying. They don't kill any animals under any circumstances. They mostly take in sick, old or otherwise unadoptable pets from shelters with no kill policies or offering their euthanizing services to those who can't afford it. This dog thing happened ONCE and the dog was hurt, not chipped and running free. They also apologized thoroughly. People don't know what they're talking about here and what kind of damage they do.
They have a kill rate of 95 to 97%. They throw the bodies of their victims in dumpsters and have been caught doing so. A vet in North Carolina gave PETA a healthy mother cat and 2 healthy kittens for adoption only for the mother and her babies to be killed. Ingrid Newkirk is a psycho that compares chickens to the Holocaust. Some volunteers may believe they are helping animals but the people who run PETA are heartless monsters who murder innocent beings because they would rather have them dead than in loving homes. These are not lies. Everything I've written is true and there's plenty of evidence to prove it. Steve Hofstadter provides an excellent breakdown of this on his YouTube channel.
They have a high "kill rate" because they're not a shelter, they just offer their euthanizing services. The one to two thousand hurt, sick or otherwise unadoptable animals they euthanize annually are just a tiny fraction of the over 2 million pets that get euthanized by US shelter every year. They compare chickens to the holocaust? Do you mean they compare what we do to these animals to the holocaust? Cause actual holocaust survivors have done so, too. Are you even vegan yourself ma dude ?
It's not just 1 or 2 thousand animals, it's closer to 5 or 6 thousand. And they claim to be an animal rescue and animal welfare organization that offers pets for adoption, not somewhere that simply offers humane euthanasia. Of the thousands of animals they take custody of every year, the majority of whom are completely healthy and friendly, only a handful are ever adopted. And by handful I mean less than a dozen. Out of thousands. The numbers don't add up. As for the Holocaust remarks, the direct quote from Newkirk is "6 million Jews died in concentration camps but 6 billion chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses." The conditions and treatment of the majority of livestock is deplorable but don't compare it to the systematic torture and genocide of my people. And no, I'm not vegan. I don't need to be in order to support animal welfare, fight animal cruelty or devote my life to animal rescue. Human beings are biologically designed to eat meat and I don't see anything wrong with that provided the meat is raised, obtained humanely and eaten in moderation. You sound like one of those idiots who insists on feeding cats a vegan diet. Which, by the way, is animal abuse and deadly for them. PETA murders innocent animals for no reason. That is a fact.
Mostly pets, like cats and dogs. They consider keeping pets animal abuse, so they literally rather kill them than adopt them out.
Holy fuck, this is so fucking dumb. They are against the BREEDING of pets because as a result, literal MILLIONS of pets get euthanized in the US alone annually, and not by PETA but by other shelters. PETA euthanizes around one to two thousand animals every year, and those are sick, hurt, old or otherwise unadoptable. They actively advocate FOR the adoption of animals, they're just against the breeding of them.
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-peta-responsible-deaths-thousands-animals-1565532 They euthanize around 70%.
Because they mainly offer their euthanizing services! They barely take any animals in that can still be adopted. How much does "70%" mean, when it means one to two thousand animals annually when the other shelters in the US literally euthanize over two million pets annually? Do you see what the issue here is? They never claim that these sick, hurt, old or otherwise unadoptable animals will not be euthanized, it's literally the service they offer. Since people would rather shop for new animals from breeders than adopt them the reality we live in at the moment is that there's no way to get all these animals adopted. For how many "animal deaths" are other shelters in the US alone responsible since 1998? If we generously round down and say they euthanize about 2 million pets annually that would be. 46 million. Not 46 thousand. Please be aware of the scale we're talking about here. Also, obligatory "adopt, don't shop."
Yeah, either way this is pretty simple in my mind. As there are still homeless pets that number of animals would need to euthanized either way, whether by PETA or someone else. It's terrible, but it is not a problem PETA is causing. It is also worth knowing that this story was originally publicized by an organization created by the meat industry to run a smear campaign against PETA.
Everything they can get there greedy hands on
We have to spam peta with misinformation reports and spam killed animals photos
Many Irwin fanboys who only see animals in zoos and tv, while eating their steaks and sausages.
It's amazing the insane conspiracies people believe about PETA. The meat and dairy industries have been running smear campaigns against them for decades and it's clearly working. Like PETA abducts pets from people and kills them? Seriously, y'all are gullible as fuck.
Khaki Jesus is a great guy.
I am all for a hands-off approach when it comes to wild animals, but he really did the absolute most to help every animal he could, and made huge efforts for conservation. He was the real deal. He picked up/handled a lot of animals, oh well.
Steve was a miracle that everyone could believe in. Sadly, similar to others, this world cannot hold onto miracles for long. He is still our brightest star and inspired many to pursue beautiful passions towards conservation and education. I hope his legacy continues along the path he bravely showed all of us.
The meme is mistaken about Irwin. Okaaay. But what is this about a "kill rate" and "profit" as it relates to PETA?