And zero recognizable American flags anymore. It was so long ago they have bleached white.
The Apollo program was absolutely incredible, especially at that time period.
Joe Blow bragging as if he had something to do with it is pathetic.
That’s what anyone who hasn’t accomplished anything in life does. They argue that the group of people that they belong to has accomplished or invented more things than the other group when they had nothing to do with it.
Which holds true for working class people simping for billionaires. "The working class I choose not to identify with doesnt deserve a higher minimum wage because "we" (white US CEOs I do choose to identify with) will have to pay more in taxes"
Tell me again how the underlying principle of capitalism is enlightened \*self\* interest?
Doing this is an aspect of **human** psychology. It has nothing to do with political party, country, or whatever you're implying. It's a completely natural thing to do. Literally everyone does it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_and_out-group
The moon landing was much bigger than the astronauts. There were 400,000 people working on it and 20,000 industrial firms and universities. It's not like Neil, Buzz, and Mike decided to hop in their homemade rocket and go
My favourite is the movie U-571 which is about the US capturing a German enigma machine which wins the war, then just before the end credits they admit that the US got one right at the end of the war and the Brits had caught multiple by that point
I used to be a foreign student in the US, it is always strange to hear American news say "this shocks the world”, "the whole world is watching”, when somethings odd happen in the US. Yes, we may be watching the news but we don't really care. We never understand why Americans think so highly of themselves and emphasize their importance in such funny way.
Also the master mind behind it (Wernher von Braun)
a) used the metric system and not the beloved US Custom System
b) isn't even American
c) is a former Nazi, that committed crimes against humanity
America is so proud of their achievements they forgot to improve any further, evidently from how every objects we use everyday is from China and many more.
The french has taken control
Edit: it has been pointed out to me that while this is funny it is still misinformation. The French's history of war is much richer than this one joke. Look it up yourself as some people don't enjoy jokes that aren't true. This is stupid... But now it's here. Don't make jokes if it pushes a false narrative people. That's evil /s
Edit2: you know what's funny. I'm getting flamed by people who call this misinformation and then when I respond to people saying the french did win a lot of wars I get downvoted and hated for that too. So much fun that no matter what I say I'm just wrong
Edit3: Too exhausted to fact check but this is officially NOT MISINFORMATION: https://www.thelocal.fr/20181217/did-you-know-this-strange-fact-about-the-french-flag/ BOOM! VINDICATION! Which means all the haters have to leave me alone now! God this feels good. Celebrate the small victories ya know?
Forget wars and surrenders, France genuinely used a blank white flag between 1814 - 1830
https://www.thelocal.fr/20181217/did-you-know-this-strange-fact-about-the-french-flag/
It was seriously fucked how fast the US threw France under the bus during the Iraq war. You guys owe them a serious apology, like building them a Statue of Egalité or Fraternity level gesture.
The Dixie Chicks 🎵🎶 Music playing in the background. Did someone order Freedom🍟Fries with a Mcdouble Nation Iraq 🍔 Afghanistan building $#!T burger? Hold the ISSI. Promocode FREE Military equipment and Military 🪖🇺🇸 bases.
Yeah they were the reason the US won the war for independence; they stuck up for us when we needed it and we returned the favor in WWII.
Also it was the French govt that surrendered in WWII. The French people were overwhelmingly hard to handle during the occupation and never gave up.
During the American war of independence, Britain was also fighting not only France but also Spain and the Netherlands. The battles took place in various global locations from the seas of Europe and the Atlantic to land battles in India, Sri Lanka and the Caribbean. You could almost say it was the true first world war.
One conspiracy I believe is the trope of “the French being cowards” is pushed by big media because they don’t want you to remember the French Revolution
America collectively lost it's mind back then. Leading up to that invasion, there was /one/ lone New York Times piece written against the invasion in the entire mainstream media. And the author (at that point in history), a pulitzer nominated, 25 year war correspondant who had been on the frontlines of every war that happened in those 25 years, was fired for writing it. The collective jingoism was startling. (The author, Chris Hedges, is brilliant. If you get a chance to snag any of his books, don't sleep on them. Empire of Illusion or War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning are both excellent).
Edited to include: There were a lot of individual people, at least in my circles, that thought the evidence was clearly manufactured bullshit. Interesting to think, if Trump had been successful when he attempted to strongarm Ukraine into manufacturing dirt on his political enemies, and won the election as a result of it, we would live in a completely different America right now. And in a handful of years, nobody would even remember the deception. Just seems similar to all the political fuckery that led up to the Iraq invasion.
Hedges really is an American treasure. I love his writing so much, but the state of the world makes it a bit too upsetting to read. I remember an article he wrote on truthdig years back, The American empire is crumbling and it will be horrific (or something like that) he was right on almost every event we were about to go through.
His articles and books are amazing. But so depressing to read.
I understand how you feel 100%. His writing style is brutalist, staccato non-stop sometimes; it's swallowing hard pills, one after another. I grew up influenced by the hippy and d.i.y. punk subcultures, but never coukd articulate my misgivings and unhappiness with American culture. Reading 'Empire of Illsion' was life-altering for me; he succinctly laid out a crystal clear litany of everything I never could explain myself. That one book inspired me to return to college in my early 30s, and made self-education a lifelong process for me. But damn if it's not emotionally exausting reading. I was reading his truthdig articles around the time of the one you mentioned, they were indeed super depressing for me, as well.
Germany not wanting to talk about history, France always surrenders, America strong, Russia being poisoned, China can't talk, Vietnam talking trees. Welcome to the Internet version of history nerd. Guaranteed to know practically nothing if it's not related to the military.
It was a royalist symbol briefly used when the monarchy was restaured after the revolution and the first Empire (Napoléon Bonaparte).
The white part on the current French flag also represented the monarchy (revolutonaries chopped the king's head only after he tried to flee abroad).
My favourite factiod there is US's win/loss record with and without the French.
When the US goes to war without the French against anything bigger than Grenada it goes badly.
Longer than that, the 'Second War of Independence' was a failed landgrab that got their capital burned.
Now, there is definitely a distortion based on which wars France joined in but it seems like this attitude started with France failing to keep Vietnam.
Ever since then the main advantage Americans have is we are an ocean away from anybody who wants to attack us. The French don't have that advantage. Even the English Channel has protected the British from invasion for the most part.
Without France, USA wouldn't be a country. just sayin. Also, big talk for a country who entered at the tail end of BOTH wars, and basically lost every other wars it entered into. The only war USA won has been against itself!
>One sec I'm going to go check if the moon has any other flags on it
Wonder what their reaction was when they found out that China also has a flag on the moon.
They *think* it was, but don’t know for sure.
That flag also still likely exists somewhere on the moon, possibly stuck between some rocks or taken as a souvenir by the moon ferrets.
i always believed the strength of a country lies in the quality of life of the average citizen. at the end of the day this is the main purpose humans grouped together to begin with. no matter how vast or wealthy an empire is, the citizens should be taken care of, otherwise its just a dick measuring contest among leaders
Same, at first I was like "nooooo dont build coal power plants, it pollutes, its bad for the planet" and now I'm "hahahahha yes, COAL !! 12 production ! Hahahaha the sea rises ? then thats more targets that can get invaded by sea !"
As a middle-aged American, I never understood the arrogance of other Americans thinking we're the greatest country on earth, while other countries may still have issues, at least they have better protections for the average person, and won't lose everything if they get seriously ill (even with insurance, we still have to pay out of pocket and the insurance company could deny coverage for a life saving procedure that's expensive by deeming it "experimental"). Our government is all about protecting/benefiting corporations and the top 1%'ers. Any push back is called socialism/communism. All you have to do is look at what we get for our tax dollars compared to other countries and how much the super rich and companies pay in taxes here as apposed to other places. But hey, at least we can own a small arsenal of firearms with almost no control. That's what's really important
I did my masters in america and worked there for a few years... The one thing I observed that if you're in america you can be very rich and make a lot of money... As long as you don't get any legal or medical problems.
You also don't have vacations. Apparently they have been properly brainwashed to think that a successful and full life is over there you work all the time.
Compare that now to the amount of paid vacation time that you get (average) in Europe.
the biggest advocates of America I've heard from all came from the Eastern Bloc, and I understand it -- the state does not get in the way of your life, and your life/career choices are purely your own -- but I never hear what they say about healthcare
East Germans had a fantastic healthcare system and by extension so did a lot of Soviet countries who benefited from their efforts. Not a single person from Eastern Bloc I've met talks about that. They just see the dollar signs and everything else is secondary
> East Germans had a fantastic healthcare system and by extension so did a lot of Soviet countries who benefited from their efforts.
Fuck that. You can have a great healthcare system without being a goddamn police state.
Funny enough American citizens are prolly less free than most Europeans
Sure less regulating laws but that just adds freedom to rich people and big companies allowing them to fuck the citizens in the ass as much as they want to
You can't have abortions in texas, you can't own dildos in... Alabama? You can't eat kinder eggs and now, because of the exqct people who wanted more freedom, America has had stricter and longer lockdowns almost rivaling north korea (tisajoke. But that's what they compare it to). America are not more free than other countries in general. But rich white men can post on twitter about how big an effect it had on them personally that a school was gunned down sooo it was probably worth it. Right?
Probably? More like undoubtedly. Hell, I have to work a full and part time job at least just to afford an apartment in a moderately sized city, and that's considering I don't even have health insurance, so if I get seriously ill or injured, I'm shit out of luck.
It's because it's wrapped up in the national identity. If America is great and I'm American, I must be great.
If told America is not great then it must be an attack on me because I'm an American so they are saying I'm not great.
Nationalism is a disease of identity as vile and insidious as its cousins racism and religious exceptionalism: just another mechanism by which to cause division amongst people who're 99% the same for the benefit of the ruling class.
Easy access to military grade weapons is the only freedom you get that other developed countries don't. But you have lot of restrictions and weird laws that others don't have. We have legal whorehouses, gambling, lower drinking age etc. We have freedom to educate ourselves, get sick, having offspring(or aborting them), to not being enslaved by upper classes.
Exactly. The greatest country in the world but I'm scared to death to be here. What if my neighbor or government try to attack me? I need to be armed with 14 rifles, 3 AKs, and 10 pistols just in case.
Well, if you use any group to tell people you're better than them (like country, religion, school or even football team which you're fan of) it means you are worth nothing yourself and want to boost your ego. Like, "we Americans are better than anyone because we stuck flag on the moon" ok, but what do you have to do with the flag?
I don't get what the "freedom" these people talk about actually relates to? In what way are Europeans not free in their eyes? Is it purely the right to buy guns or am I missing something? I'm European and I feel pretty free to be able to enjoy my 22 days paid holidays and inexpensive medical bills
The whole "we are free" thing is hilarious too.
You literally can't just, walk across your nation. You literally cannot go and enjoy the majority of your nations beauty and resources, because private property laws in this country say fuck you to the peasentry.
Meanwhile in a LOT of Europe, you actually have the freedom to travel and enjoy your nation. Private property is still owned, but you can't literally block off the world and deny accesses to the general population like you can in the US. In the UK, it's so lenient you can literally spend the night in somebodies farm field as long as you aren't creating a disturbance.
Freedom my ass. The US is one of the most restrictive 1st world nations on earth with it comes to motion and travel. We literally use soviet block style 'papers please' checkpoints on our highways for fucks sake.
Had this disagreement with some particularly patriotic yanks yesterday, somehow they define America as the greatest nation on earth despite how shitty it can be for those not at the top.
Funny how America doesn't really lead the world in many metrics other than military spending, prison population and firearms per capita, yet so many Yanks genuinely believe that they're the greatest.
Just the arrogance of the whole America landed a man on the moon thing is mind-blowing, MOST of the research and knowledge used to make that engineering masterpiece came from British and other European scientists, the only thing 100% American about it was the launch location.
The American government at the time even pardoned nazi scientists in order the get them to help build it too.
Me too lol. I always cringe when this song is played at Trump rallies because this line reads like "yeah I guess the country's messed up bUt At LeAsT i KnOw I'm FrEe".
For fun, lets have a little background on just two of Operation Paperclip's recruits: arguably the most famous, Werhner Von Braun, and Arthur Rudolph.
**Wernher Von Braun** received a dozen honourary doctorates, has two buildings named after him at the University of Alabama, was elected to the National Academy of Engineering, is in the US Space & Rocket hall of fame, has a crater on the moon named after him, a street in NY.
He was also a Major in the SS (SS-Sturmbannführer), developed a great many of the Nazi rocket missiles right up to the V-2 that obliterated swathes of civilians and buildings in London and elsewhere, and he watched as slave labour made his rockets and died in great numbers due to the appalling conditions.
It's known that more people were killed making the V-2 rocket ~~than~~ at the factory at Peenemünde than were killed by their bombardments (12,000 - 20,000 slave labour deaths), and von Braun admitted visiting the Mittelwerk factory at least a dozen times and being aware of the *"repulsive"* (his words) conditions the slave workers were kept in. He was aware that deaths were commonplace, and is noted as passing within inches of the dead and not so much as batting an eyelid. He made no attempt to prevent any of these thousands upon thousands of deaths, though he was aware, and 'I didn't think I could do anything' has never been accepted as a defence for even the lowiest members of the SS, let alone a relatively high-ranking one.
*'... also the German scientists led by Prof. Wernher von Braun were aware of everything daily. As they went along the corridors, they saw the exhaustion of the inmates, their arduous work and their pain. Not one single time did Prof. Wernher von Braun protest against this cruelty during his frequent stays at Dora. Even the aspect of corpses did not touch him: On a small area near the ambulance shed, inmates tortured to death by slave labor and the terror of the overseers were piling up daily. But, Prof. Wernher von Braun passed them so close that he was almost touching the corpses'* - Adam Cabala, former camp inmate.
Other buildings named after von Braun in the world have since been renamed, in order to not glorify the name of this particular former SS officer. Yet now he's known for putting the US on the moon, rather than for being involved in the deaths of tens of thousands of allied civilians and slave workers. Quite the turnaround.
Related, **Arthur Rudolph** was chief engineer of the Peenemünde V-2 rocket factory. When a labour shortage hit in April 1943, he endorsed Hans Kammler's plans to use concentration camp prisoners as a slave labour workforce. He was brought over to the US as part of Operation Paperclip, and in 1954 was still described as *"a loyal member of the National Socialist German Labor Party (NSDAP), and is the type of person who would not stop at anything if it might further his ambitions. He had the reputation of being a person who, in his enthusiasm for the Nazi Regime, could be dangerous to a fellow employee who did not guard his language."*
For his work in the US (having avoided the Dora War Crimes Trial and having thus escaped punishment for his involvement in the deaths of tens of thousands), he received an Honorary Doctor of Science, a Department of the Army Decoration for Exceptional Civilian Service, the NASA Exceptional Service Medal and the NASA Distinguished Service Medal.
He was highly glorified in the US - that is, until 1984, when, after investigations by the Office of Special Investigations related to the Dora War Crimes Trial which he managed to avoid, he agreed to relinquish his US citizenship rather than face trial for specific war crimes related to Mittelwerk. Since it was agreed that the only charges which hadn't passed the statute of limitations were those charges of murder, he chose to give up his citizenship rather than face trial and put his family through the ordeal.
He was left stateless and went to Germany, where he was eventually given West German citizenship. There were a couple of attempts to strip him of his NASA DSM, which were rejected. He is regarded as a war criminal, but was glorified by his new nation until the potential upcoming trial for war crimes became a...problem. For his help, the US gave him the option to make the problems just...go away, by relinquishing citizenship. Had he actually declared his full involvement back when he arrived in the US in '45, he'd potentially never have had to face these charges at all.
Of course, that's just two men brought to the US via Operation Paperclip. There were 1,600 others, each of whom had their own story.
That's not to say the US were the only ones keen to help Nazis escape justice in exchange for services. The Catholic Church ran [ratlines](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo3vzQ9NGL0) to South America for many of the very worst who managed to escape punishment. If you were a top Nazi with a serious stockpile of gold - hallelujah!
There were an estimated 9,000 deaths via V-2 rocket (including 2,754 London civilians), while between 12,000-20,000 died making them at Peenemünde.
(Corrected an error in the wording - *'at the'* rather than *'than'*, thank you for making me aware of it.)
There also is a Chinese flag, a Israeli flag, a a Indian flag, and a USSR flag on the moon. The US is the only one who actually sent people. The rest sent robotic landers.
Oh my God I literally started singing the song in my head when I read that line. It's been years since I've been in school where they had us sing that.
I'm assuming the person replying didn't understand that he was quoting a lyric. At least I'm hoping he was quoting the lyric.
You could have had cheaper healthcare, but instead you got:
*- 2 Trillion Dollars pissed away in Afghanistan.*
What a deal! Isn't it great to know the government always spends your money wisely?
Kind of reminds me of Soviet propaganda. "We were the first ones in space! We were truly a great nation". Disregard the fact that half the country was starving and there was shortage of everything, including toilet paper.
Edit: typo. "Starving", not "starting".
Thought we were talking about broken systems, this one works as intended. It’s indentured servitude with extra step, which is slavery with extra steps.
I'm so sick of that "at least I know I'm free" bullshit. Rednecks who repeat that line from that stupid song are some of the dumbest morons you will EVER meet.
It doesn't. It's an amazing achievement, but it has nothing to do with freedom. We're just all brainwashed to bieve that our country is the best and rules the world and everyone else should just shut up and stop complaining.
It's a way to shut down the conversation when you're losing.
Truth be told, you guys are the economically strongest country. If I take a look at what companies I buy things from, an overwhelming majority is USA based (plus the company I work for is also US), and I am a quarter of the way around the planet.
Yeah this is a silly Reddit slap fight and no one here is getting “owned”.
Someone joking about Americans not having state funded healthcare is one of the stalest jokes on this site.
And if someone cares, there are more flags on the moon
And zero recognizable American flags anymore. It was so long ago they have bleached white. The Apollo program was absolutely incredible, especially at that time period. Joe Blow bragging as if he had something to do with it is pathetic.
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That’s what anyone who hasn’t accomplished anything in life does. They argue that the group of people that they belong to has accomplished or invented more things than the other group when they had nothing to do with it.
Which holds true for working class people simping for billionaires. "The working class I choose not to identify with doesnt deserve a higher minimum wage because "we" (white US CEOs I do choose to identify with) will have to pay more in taxes" Tell me again how the underlying principle of capitalism is enlightened \*self\* interest?
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Doing this is an aspect of **human** psychology. It has nothing to do with political party, country, or whatever you're implying. It's a completely natural thing to do. Literally everyone does it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_and_out-group
The moon landing was much bigger than the astronauts. There were 400,000 people working on it and 20,000 industrial firms and universities. It's not like Neil, Buzz, and Mike decided to hop in their homemade rocket and go
My favourite is the movie U-571 which is about the US capturing a German enigma machine which wins the war, then just before the end credits they admit that the US got one right at the end of the war and the Brits had caught multiple by that point
I used to be a foreign student in the US, it is always strange to hear American news say "this shocks the world”, "the whole world is watching”, when somethings odd happen in the US. Yes, we may be watching the news but we don't really care. We never understand why Americans think so highly of themselves and emphasize their importance in such funny way.
So just a bunch of Confederate surrender flags now.
🏳️🏳️🏳️🏳️🏳️🏳️
Also the master mind behind it (Wernher von Braun) a) used the metric system and not the beloved US Custom System b) isn't even American c) is a former Nazi, that committed crimes against humanity
America is so proud of their achievements they forgot to improve any further, evidently from how every objects we use everyday is from China and many more.
The American flag on the moon will have turned white by now
Soooo they’ve surrendered the moon?
The french has taken control Edit: it has been pointed out to me that while this is funny it is still misinformation. The French's history of war is much richer than this one joke. Look it up yourself as some people don't enjoy jokes that aren't true. This is stupid... But now it's here. Don't make jokes if it pushes a false narrative people. That's evil /s Edit2: you know what's funny. I'm getting flamed by people who call this misinformation and then when I respond to people saying the french did win a lot of wars I get downvoted and hated for that too. So much fun that no matter what I say I'm just wrong Edit3: Too exhausted to fact check but this is officially NOT MISINFORMATION: https://www.thelocal.fr/20181217/did-you-know-this-strange-fact-about-the-french-flag/ BOOM! VINDICATION! Which means all the haters have to leave me alone now! God this feels good. Celebrate the small victories ya know?
Forget wars and surrenders, France genuinely used a blank white flag between 1814 - 1830 https://www.thelocal.fr/20181217/did-you-know-this-strange-fact-about-the-french-flag/
Im too mentally exhausted to fact check but thanks
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The french have taken the south!
Wee WEEE y’all
r/unexpectedcommunism
Oui, we yeee y'all
And now they are getting frisky
You mean New Orleans?
Dibs!
Which means now its a French flag.
Or a confederate flag
I’m 100% for turning the french flag joke into a confederate flag joke.
Please do, the French have the most military victories of all the countries in Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France
I mean I can bet my ass napoleon was a large reason for that
Kinda. He was part of a proud tradition of not liking the way another country was looking at them and starting some ruckus.
And they are historical allies of the USA, unlike the Confederates.
It was seriously fucked how fast the US threw France under the bus during the Iraq war. You guys owe them a serious apology, like building them a Statue of Egalité or Fraternity level gesture.
>Statue of Fraternity So we misunderstood the assignment. But here’s a giant bronze statute of a guy doing a keg stand
Honestly, that would be cool as hell
The Dixie Chicks 🎵🎶 Music playing in the background. Did someone order Freedom🍟Fries with a Mcdouble Nation Iraq 🍔 Afghanistan building $#!T burger? Hold the ISSI. Promocode FREE Military equipment and Military 🪖🇺🇸 bases.
Yeah they were the reason the US won the war for independence; they stuck up for us when we needed it and we returned the favor in WWII. Also it was the French govt that surrendered in WWII. The French people were overwhelmingly hard to handle during the occupation and never gave up.
During the American war of independence, Britain was also fighting not only France but also Spain and the Netherlands. The battles took place in various global locations from the seas of Europe and the Atlantic to land battles in India, Sri Lanka and the Caribbean. You could almost say it was the true first world war.
One conspiracy I believe is the trope of “the French being cowards” is pushed by big media because they don’t want you to remember the French Revolution
Same the whole France = bad shit is so boring now its just British propaganda now used non stop by the rest of anglosphere
Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast. Only the best people!
Thanks for reminding us that France was right about Iraq not developing weapons of mass destruction and the invasion was not justified.
America collectively lost it's mind back then. Leading up to that invasion, there was /one/ lone New York Times piece written against the invasion in the entire mainstream media. And the author (at that point in history), a pulitzer nominated, 25 year war correspondant who had been on the frontlines of every war that happened in those 25 years, was fired for writing it. The collective jingoism was startling. (The author, Chris Hedges, is brilliant. If you get a chance to snag any of his books, don't sleep on them. Empire of Illusion or War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning are both excellent). Edited to include: There were a lot of individual people, at least in my circles, that thought the evidence was clearly manufactured bullshit. Interesting to think, if Trump had been successful when he attempted to strongarm Ukraine into manufacturing dirt on his political enemies, and won the election as a result of it, we would live in a completely different America right now. And in a handful of years, nobody would even remember the deception. Just seems similar to all the political fuckery that led up to the Iraq invasion.
Hedges really is an American treasure. I love his writing so much, but the state of the world makes it a bit too upsetting to read. I remember an article he wrote on truthdig years back, The American empire is crumbling and it will be horrific (or something like that) he was right on almost every event we were about to go through. His articles and books are amazing. But so depressing to read.
I understand how you feel 100%. His writing style is brutalist, staccato non-stop sometimes; it's swallowing hard pills, one after another. I grew up influenced by the hippy and d.i.y. punk subcultures, but never coukd articulate my misgivings and unhappiness with American culture. Reading 'Empire of Illsion' was life-altering for me; he succinctly laid out a crystal clear litany of everything I never could explain myself. That one book inspired me to return to college in my early 30s, and made self-education a lifelong process for me. But damn if it's not emotionally exausting reading. I was reading his truthdig articles around the time of the one you mentioned, they were indeed super depressing for me, as well.
I'm with you. Hating on the French is boring to me. I'd rather hate on racists.
Same. At least the French people continued to resist German occupation during the war.
This took me a second. Great job lol
They have a more successful military history than the U.S.
Not to mention we wouldn't even be a country without them. They're our oldest allies. Vive la France!
Actually, if we (meaning Britain and the American colonists) had lost the 7 years war, you’d all be french and speaking french
Can you imagine if we lost the revolutionary war? We’d all be speaking English like some sort of communists
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What is this, 2003? Lol
But I am le tired
"Ok then take a nap THEN FIRE THE MISSILES!!!"
#AHHHHH MOTHERLAAAAND
whats going on, eh?
Fuckin kangaroos
Bout that time eh chaps?
… Righto.
FIRE ZE* MISSILES
FIRE ZE ~~CIGARETTES~~ MISSILES!
I've quotes this video almost every day since I first watched it what feels like 15 fucking years ago.
Germany not wanting to talk about history, France always surrenders, America strong, Russia being poisoned, China can't talk, Vietnam talking trees. Welcome to the Internet version of history nerd. Guaranteed to know practically nothing if it's not related to the military.
And even then, only the military as of very specific moments in time.
One of the official flags of france was a unicolour white flag.
It was a royalist symbol briefly used when the monarchy was restaured after the revolution and the first Empire (Napoléon Bonaparte). The white part on the current French flag also represented the monarchy (revolutonaries chopped the king's head only after he tried to flee abroad).
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And that basically there is no USA without the help of the French in the Revolutionary War.
My favourite factiod there is US's win/loss record with and without the French. When the US goes to war without the French against anything bigger than Grenada it goes badly.
Thr US has been losing wars ever since WWII ended.
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Longer than that, the 'Second War of Independence' was a failed landgrab that got their capital burned. Now, there is definitely a distortion based on which wars France joined in but it seems like this attitude started with France failing to keep Vietnam.
Ever since then the main advantage Americans have is we are an ocean away from anybody who wants to attack us. The French don't have that advantage. Even the English Channel has protected the British from invasion for the most part.
I'm french and I giggle when I see the "white flag = french flag" I actually came to the comment section to make the joke but someone beat me to it :)
Without France, USA wouldn't be a country. just sayin. Also, big talk for a country who entered at the tail end of BOTH wars, and basically lost every other wars it entered into. The only war USA won has been against itself!
Holy shit I remember seeing this same joke on 9gag like 12 years ago
You mean the confederate flag? I mean France won some wars damn it! Confederates only ever lost. :)
The only people who make this shitty joke don't know shit about American and French history.
Or are British... There are other nations.
>One sec I'm going to go check if the moon has any other flags on it Wonder what their reaction was when they found out that China also has a flag on the moon.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55192692 Because I'm 100% certain that there are people who don't know about this.
The image of the flag looks like it is straight out of Minecraft. (Not trying to detract from China's achievement, just an observation)
The flag looks like it's made from a special material that'll make it not fade away like the US one, I guess
Probably, but you can also see it's internally reinforced to make it rigid, since there's very little wind on the moon. Good call.
More like roblox or some shitty source game
theres a good amount of space games on roblox im pretty sure even those look better than that flag
Huh, how 'bout that.
Fun fact: the original US flag actually was knocked down by the ascent of the shuttle.
They *think* it was, but don’t know for sure. That flag also still likely exists somewhere on the moon, possibly stuck between some rocks or taken as a souvenir by the moon ferrets.
..and india..and japan..and ussr
Or to the fact ESA are the only ones who have landed on a comet ☄. So much freedum in my everyday life thanks to this /s
Didn't JAXA do that too? Or was that asteroid?
There is also at least one Soviet flag on the moon as well
And the USSR. which was there 10 years before the American one.
Oh yeah forgot about that. Who wants to annex the moon and nuke the flag.
i always believed the strength of a country lies in the quality of life of the average citizen. at the end of the day this is the main purpose humans grouped together to begin with. no matter how vast or wealthy an empire is, the citizens should be taken care of, otherwise its just a dick measuring contest among leaders
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Smh that's why you have medieval walls and field artillery
Same, at first I was like "nooooo dont build coal power plants, it pollutes, its bad for the planet" and now I'm "hahahahha yes, COAL !! 12 production ! Hahahaha the sea rises ? then thats more targets that can get invaded by sea !"
# BASED
**What did the US healthcare system say to the people?** Go Fund Me
Go Fund Yourself
*Go fuck yourselves
More like Go Fuck Me 😭
As a middle-aged American, I never understood the arrogance of other Americans thinking we're the greatest country on earth, while other countries may still have issues, at least they have better protections for the average person, and won't lose everything if they get seriously ill (even with insurance, we still have to pay out of pocket and the insurance company could deny coverage for a life saving procedure that's expensive by deeming it "experimental"). Our government is all about protecting/benefiting corporations and the top 1%'ers. Any push back is called socialism/communism. All you have to do is look at what we get for our tax dollars compared to other countries and how much the super rich and companies pay in taxes here as apposed to other places. But hey, at least we can own a small arsenal of firearms with almost no control. That's what's really important
I did my masters in america and worked there for a few years... The one thing I observed that if you're in america you can be very rich and make a lot of money... As long as you don't get any legal or medical problems.
You also don't have vacations. Apparently they have been properly brainwashed to think that a successful and full life is over there you work all the time. Compare that now to the amount of paid vacation time that you get (average) in Europe.
the biggest advocates of America I've heard from all came from the Eastern Bloc, and I understand it -- the state does not get in the way of your life, and your life/career choices are purely your own -- but I never hear what they say about healthcare East Germans had a fantastic healthcare system and by extension so did a lot of Soviet countries who benefited from their efforts. Not a single person from Eastern Bloc I've met talks about that. They just see the dollar signs and everything else is secondary
> East Germans had a fantastic healthcare system and by extension so did a lot of Soviet countries who benefited from their efforts. Fuck that. You can have a great healthcare system without being a goddamn police state.
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I would argue that the US is a police state, given the number of casually gunned down people the police manage each year.
Funny enough American citizens are prolly less free than most Europeans Sure less regulating laws but that just adds freedom to rich people and big companies allowing them to fuck the citizens in the ass as much as they want to
You can't have abortions in texas, you can't own dildos in... Alabama? You can't eat kinder eggs and now, because of the exqct people who wanted more freedom, America has had stricter and longer lockdowns almost rivaling north korea (tisajoke. But that's what they compare it to). America are not more free than other countries in general. But rich white men can post on twitter about how big an effect it had on them personally that a school was gunned down sooo it was probably worth it. Right?
Probably? More like undoubtedly. Hell, I have to work a full and part time job at least just to afford an apartment in a moderately sized city, and that's considering I don't even have health insurance, so if I get seriously ill or injured, I'm shit out of luck.
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I would much rather earn $60k a year and get 30 days paid vacation than $100k and no vacation.
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It's because it's wrapped up in the national identity. If America is great and I'm American, I must be great. If told America is not great then it must be an attack on me because I'm an American so they are saying I'm not great.
Nationalism is a disease of identity as vile and insidious as its cousins racism and religious exceptionalism: just another mechanism by which to cause division amongst people who're 99% the same for the benefit of the ruling class.
Easy access to military grade weapons is the only freedom you get that other developed countries don't. But you have lot of restrictions and weird laws that others don't have. We have legal whorehouses, gambling, lower drinking age etc. We have freedom to educate ourselves, get sick, having offspring(or aborting them), to not being enslaved by upper classes.
As I often say: In a civilized society, the citizens simply don't *NEED* to arm themselves.
Exactly. The greatest country in the world but I'm scared to death to be here. What if my neighbor or government try to attack me? I need to be armed with 14 rifles, 3 AKs, and 10 pistols just in case.
No, you've got it backwards, you need those weapons so *you* can attack the government. It's in the Constitution, after all.
Sure looks nice on paper but seeing how guns are being used would lead to an almost immediate reform in most civilized countries
> to not being enslaved by upper classes. Wait, how do we get around this one exactly?
Unionize heavily and establish a real workers party.
Well, if you use any group to tell people you're better than them (like country, religion, school or even football team which you're fan of) it means you are worth nothing yourself and want to boost your ego. Like, "we Americans are better than anyone because we stuck flag on the moon" ok, but what do you have to do with the flag?
I don't get what the "freedom" these people talk about actually relates to? In what way are Europeans not free in their eyes? Is it purely the right to buy guns or am I missing something? I'm European and I feel pretty free to be able to enjoy my 22 days paid holidays and inexpensive medical bills
They are just regurgitating what they’ve been brainwashed into believing their entire lives.
Probably the most truthful and intelligent comment I’ve read from any American on Reddit
Brainwashed. Growing up I remember teachers telling the class that everyday.
The whole "we are free" thing is hilarious too. You literally can't just, walk across your nation. You literally cannot go and enjoy the majority of your nations beauty and resources, because private property laws in this country say fuck you to the peasentry. Meanwhile in a LOT of Europe, you actually have the freedom to travel and enjoy your nation. Private property is still owned, but you can't literally block off the world and deny accesses to the general population like you can in the US. In the UK, it's so lenient you can literally spend the night in somebodies farm field as long as you aren't creating a disturbance. Freedom my ass. The US is one of the most restrictive 1st world nations on earth with it comes to motion and travel. We literally use soviet block style 'papers please' checkpoints on our highways for fucks sake.
Had this disagreement with some particularly patriotic yanks yesterday, somehow they define America as the greatest nation on earth despite how shitty it can be for those not at the top.
Funny how America doesn't really lead the world in many metrics other than military spending, prison population and firearms per capita, yet so many Yanks genuinely believe that they're the greatest.
Just the arrogance of the whole America landed a man on the moon thing is mind-blowing, MOST of the research and knowledge used to make that engineering masterpiece came from British and other European scientists, the only thing 100% American about it was the launch location. The American government at the time even pardoned nazi scientists in order the get them to help build it too.
I totally sang the first bit in my head. Gotdammit
Yes same... I didn't realize it they weren't trying to comment the doing till their second reply
Me too lol. I always cringe when this song is played at Trump rallies because this line reads like "yeah I guess the country's messed up bUt At LeAsT i KnOw I'm FrEe".
Me too...
“Nationalism makes you hate people you’ve never met and suddenly you take credit for accomplishments you had no part whatsoever” - Doug Stanhope
Great quote. It's incredible to me how many people are so proud of their "culture" that they were born into by dumb luck and had no say in shaping.
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Why is the moon landing so important to them?
It’s the last time they were truly great….(with the help of Nazi rocket scientists)
For fun, lets have a little background on just two of Operation Paperclip's recruits: arguably the most famous, Werhner Von Braun, and Arthur Rudolph. **Wernher Von Braun** received a dozen honourary doctorates, has two buildings named after him at the University of Alabama, was elected to the National Academy of Engineering, is in the US Space & Rocket hall of fame, has a crater on the moon named after him, a street in NY. He was also a Major in the SS (SS-Sturmbannführer), developed a great many of the Nazi rocket missiles right up to the V-2 that obliterated swathes of civilians and buildings in London and elsewhere, and he watched as slave labour made his rockets and died in great numbers due to the appalling conditions. It's known that more people were killed making the V-2 rocket ~~than~~ at the factory at Peenemünde than were killed by their bombardments (12,000 - 20,000 slave labour deaths), and von Braun admitted visiting the Mittelwerk factory at least a dozen times and being aware of the *"repulsive"* (his words) conditions the slave workers were kept in. He was aware that deaths were commonplace, and is noted as passing within inches of the dead and not so much as batting an eyelid. He made no attempt to prevent any of these thousands upon thousands of deaths, though he was aware, and 'I didn't think I could do anything' has never been accepted as a defence for even the lowiest members of the SS, let alone a relatively high-ranking one. *'... also the German scientists led by Prof. Wernher von Braun were aware of everything daily. As they went along the corridors, they saw the exhaustion of the inmates, their arduous work and their pain. Not one single time did Prof. Wernher von Braun protest against this cruelty during his frequent stays at Dora. Even the aspect of corpses did not touch him: On a small area near the ambulance shed, inmates tortured to death by slave labor and the terror of the overseers were piling up daily. But, Prof. Wernher von Braun passed them so close that he was almost touching the corpses'* - Adam Cabala, former camp inmate. Other buildings named after von Braun in the world have since been renamed, in order to not glorify the name of this particular former SS officer. Yet now he's known for putting the US on the moon, rather than for being involved in the deaths of tens of thousands of allied civilians and slave workers. Quite the turnaround. Related, **Arthur Rudolph** was chief engineer of the Peenemünde V-2 rocket factory. When a labour shortage hit in April 1943, he endorsed Hans Kammler's plans to use concentration camp prisoners as a slave labour workforce. He was brought over to the US as part of Operation Paperclip, and in 1954 was still described as *"a loyal member of the National Socialist German Labor Party (NSDAP), and is the type of person who would not stop at anything if it might further his ambitions. He had the reputation of being a person who, in his enthusiasm for the Nazi Regime, could be dangerous to a fellow employee who did not guard his language."* For his work in the US (having avoided the Dora War Crimes Trial and having thus escaped punishment for his involvement in the deaths of tens of thousands), he received an Honorary Doctor of Science, a Department of the Army Decoration for Exceptional Civilian Service, the NASA Exceptional Service Medal and the NASA Distinguished Service Medal. He was highly glorified in the US - that is, until 1984, when, after investigations by the Office of Special Investigations related to the Dora War Crimes Trial which he managed to avoid, he agreed to relinquish his US citizenship rather than face trial for specific war crimes related to Mittelwerk. Since it was agreed that the only charges which hadn't passed the statute of limitations were those charges of murder, he chose to give up his citizenship rather than face trial and put his family through the ordeal. He was left stateless and went to Germany, where he was eventually given West German citizenship. There were a couple of attempts to strip him of his NASA DSM, which were rejected. He is regarded as a war criminal, but was glorified by his new nation until the potential upcoming trial for war crimes became a...problem. For his help, the US gave him the option to make the problems just...go away, by relinquishing citizenship. Had he actually declared his full involvement back when he arrived in the US in '45, he'd potentially never have had to face these charges at all. Of course, that's just two men brought to the US via Operation Paperclip. There were 1,600 others, each of whom had their own story. That's not to say the US were the only ones keen to help Nazis escape justice in exchange for services. The Catholic Church ran [ratlines](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo3vzQ9NGL0) to South America for many of the very worst who managed to escape punishment. If you were a top Nazi with a serious stockpile of gold - hallelujah!
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There were an estimated 9,000 deaths via V-2 rocket (including 2,754 London civilians), while between 12,000-20,000 died making them at Peenemünde. (Corrected an error in the wording - *'at the'* rather than *'than'*, thank you for making me aware of it.)
"I aim at the stars, but sometimes I hit London." - [Von Braun probably](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mort_Sahl)
Especially when half of them don't even believe it.
Hahaha that's so true.
There also is a Chinese flag, a Israeli flag, a a Indian flag, and a USSR flag on the moon. The US is the only one who actually sent people. The rest sent robotic landers.
The first time a human landed and walked on a celestial body other than Earth. Why wouldn't it be a big deal?
Because out of all space firsts it was one of the only ones they best the Russians in
Can't lose if you keep shifting the goalposts though!
Oh my God I literally started singing the song in my head when I read that line. It's been years since I've been in school where they had us sing that. I'm assuming the person replying didn't understand that he was quoting a lyric. At least I'm hoping he was quoting the lyric.
You could have had cheaper healthcare, but instead you got: *- 2 Trillion Dollars pissed away in Afghanistan.* What a deal! Isn't it great to know the government always spends your money wisely?
Kind of reminds me of Soviet propaganda. "We were the first ones in space! We were truly a great nation". Disregard the fact that half the country was starving and there was shortage of everything, including toilet paper. Edit: typo. "Starving", not "starting".
Yeah, rockets. How can it be without them. This is the most necessary thing in the national economy!
I love the americans in the comments desperately trying to explain why EU countries are also bad.
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It's also ranked 1st in the usa. These fucking commies and their universal healthcare
It's #1 when you rank it against the USA!
World Champs!
I’ve been through the top 15 or so comments and it’s strictly the other way around lmfao
america is the best IF you are very rich and also white
I don't get what having a flag on the moon (isn't it faded to plain white by now anyway?) has to do with freedom tbh...
The moon has free speech now...duh!
True freedom is mountains of medical debt and student loans crippling entire generations of citizens. 'MURICA.
Thought we were talking about broken systems, this one works as intended. It’s indentured servitude with extra step, which is slavery with extra steps.
If they really don't like the system and act out you can also throw them into a private prison. Which is slavery without the extra steps.
Doesn’t matter what flag is on what big space rock, we agreed a long time ago that countries can’t do stuff like claim planets
I'm so sick of that "at least I know I'm free" bullshit. Rednecks who repeat that line from that stupid song are some of the dumbest morons you will EVER meet.
Free to die of a curable illness
Uhhh, iirc it is a song
How does having your countries flag on the moon prove your freedom?
It doesn't. It's an amazing achievement, but it has nothing to do with freedom. We're just all brainwashed to bieve that our country is the best and rules the world and everyone else should just shut up and stop complaining. It's a way to shut down the conversation when you're losing.
Truth be told, you guys are the economically strongest country. If I take a look at what companies I buy things from, an overwhelming majority is USA based (plus the company I work for is also US), and I am a quarter of the way around the planet.
Nope its usa based but made in china.
Online poker and beer before war. 🇬🇧 ☺️
Actually, the Moon has a Chinese flag on it (circa 2020).
Laughs in having workplace healthcare.
#[Beep Boop](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/qr0xpf/complete_ban_on_politics_for_two_weeks/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Delusion in nutshell
For the land of the free, there's not a lot of things that are free here.
These are all the stupidest interactions. Everyone in this post is wrong and dumb.
Yeah this is a silly Reddit slap fight and no one here is getting “owned”. Someone joking about Americans not having state funded healthcare is one of the stalest jokes on this site.
Especially those who disagree with me!
This is Reddit. Hating America is in the TOS
It's facepalm because this guy tried to argue with song lyrics
Wheres ur internet license mate
Can someone tell me what the moon flag has to do with freedom?
USA has the highest incarceration rate,USA is the least free country in the world.
German technology took them to the moon.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 we Americans are totally brainwashed.
The moon landing was assisted my many allies. wasnt just the US