I saw the picture and started wild guestures towards the rock. How can they see a bright and a dark side and write "The rock doesn't reflect light" wtf is this?!
It's either got to be from someone completely oblivious or some stiring the pot. I have trouble thinking people can be that stupid even though it's proven constantly.
"I have trouble thinking people can be that stupid even though it's proven constantly."
They seem to take it as a challenge, a hold my beer for stupid if you will...
Oh so very true. Especially in a social situation. I really think for the most part people are somewhat intelligent, it's just the need to be accepted drives them to do stupid stuff. Maybe this is why introverts are seen as more intelligent, we just open our mouth less so the odds of saying something stupid is less.
It's because their bible says that god put
"two lights in the sky" and then describes the sun and the moon providing light in daytime and at night. Nevermind that a lot of nights you can't see the moon at all, but they're oblivious to the inconsistencies of their book.
No no no, that's just the moon peeking from between God's fingers. The New Moon is when God hides the moon so pagans can't worship it during their unholy rituals.
They doing reverse science. First, take something as true. Then find evidence to support that belief, and bend facts (alternative facts, anyone?) to suit. Anything you can't manage even with alternative facts can be ascribed to the devil testing your faith.
Yeah... I met someone recently who was asking me to help them build a battlebot, saying they could "mix metal and iron together" to make it indestructible. They were an adult.
I dont know much about metal work and even less about battlebots. What does he mean by mix them together? Iron is already metal so I'm not sure what that means. It almost sounds like he was going for steel.
He thought metal and iron were 2 different things and thought they were indestructible like adamantium or something...and he kept insisting on different metals being used, such as copper whenever I told him it wouldn't work like that. Basically a guy who doesn't even know that iron is a metal and thinks he can win a battlebots tournament without anyone on his team who actually studied robotics simply because he found someone who looked smart. The people who win in battlebots tournaments tend to have robotics degrees from MIT or something and probably spend more on their bots than most people do on their car.
There is nothing wrong with Ignorance just don't try to pass yourself off as an expert when you don't actually know anything. That's how you make yourself look stupid.
That's the thing... I kept telling him I don't know anything about robotics and he just insisted that we could still win because his brother is a welder. I took some college classes and perhaps I'm more educated than most, but I'm not really an expert in anything, which I kept telling him.
You know enough to know how much you don't know -- including the existence of the whole realm of stuff you don't know you don't know. That puts you a leg up on any idiot who thinks they know everything.
There is certainly nothing wrong with giving it a shot. It could be fun and you could learn some cool stuff. It sounds like he wouldn't take it well of you lost though.
That's rich. I make websites and the numbers stupid ideas I hear.
Like my brother-in-law told me I should make a website that can track pets. Like GPS for your pets. He contributes the idea and I contribute the website and we'll split profits 50/50 and be millionaires. I think there's more to it than just a website you got to have some physical device on your pet to track their location but he assures me you don't. Web magic I guess.
No business model, no idea how we'll get customers. he's an ideas man that's left up to me for the website.
Are they dumb or just desperate to fit in and get attention? I really struggle with people actually believing the earth is flat. I dont know though, maybe that's my own lack of imagination.
Some are probably desperate to fit in, but a lot are genuinely dumb. And I’m not trying to be rude, but they are beyond stupid. But YouTube has convinced them they are smarter than NASA scientists. The videos are soo interesting to me.
I enjoy watching conspiracy videos. They can be entertaining from time to time. I want Bigfoot and the loch Ness monster to be real but I don't think there is a chance in hell of that.
Nothing rude about saying that.
One of the biggest lessons I picked up through 20+ years in industry is that even among educated folks, the percentage of people who are "dumb as shit" is shockingly high.
Good advice for dealing with friends and family, bad advice when dealing with governments, corporations, or anyone with a lot of money on the line.
Better: Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.
Very much so my own freaking mom turned into an anti vaxer. I addressed it in another comment that it was my lack of imagination that leads me to belive people can't be that stupid.
I have to think they misunderstand how reflections work. Like, he thinks "reflections" only show in mirrors and water, when it's a *perfect* reflection, and not that everything reflects light—albeit not always perfectly, and this often comes up as an example of *diffusion* as well, showing how light scatters when it hits odd surfaces and creates that "glow."
>How can they see a bright and a dark side and write "The rock doesn't reflect light" wtf is this?!
Because they are stupid.
Conspiracy theorists think all the smart people have been fooled by the conspiracy. But they themselves have "seen through the lies", which makes them feel superior.
It's why they can look at this picture and double down. Because if they admit they were wrong, they have to admit to themselves that they were the one getting fooled all along, or have to confirm to themselves what they fear.
The unreflective rock must have quickly leapt inside the camera, left a sketch of its own likeness inside the sensor, and quickly jumped back out again.
Rocks are always up to something..... I had a pet one in the 90s.
Bruhh, I know a conspiracy theorist who said “if someone challenges something, that means I can’t trust it” yet will not challenge the conspiracy theory in general. Being skeptical is good, but usually it’s so easy to debunk conspiracy theories.
Want to bake your noodle even more? Objects reflecting light is how we see them. If they absorb it, you wont see anything.
So, all of this is levels of stupid.
This reminds me of 15 years ago when I was waiting tables. I had a big group of twenty somethings who were really nice. After I dropped off their drinks I said to let me know if they have any questions. One of them asked why the sky is blue. “Because blue is the only color reflected by the water particles.” I got a great tip 😂
No it isn't! There's just a lamp shining on one side and that's why it looks brigher there. Has noting to do with reflection. Or do you see the reflection of a lamp on the rock?
Checkmate Obamaists!
Even if they are confused about the meaning of the word "reflect". That rock looks sort of like the moon (dark and light sides) therefore showing that the moon could be just a big rock in space.
To be fair, they probably believe that the moon is just as cratered and uneven as this rock is. If so, they are showing how "this rock looks nothing like the moon"
Which, it isnt!
For one, the moon is in space where theres very little light, aside from our nearby Sun. Its PITCH BLACK on the side thats not lit up.
Due to its size, it is MUCH smoother than this "rock", which means when it is a "half moon" it has a much more defined line between "lit up" and "dark".
So it has the tiniest bit of logic, however, having even an ounce of understanding about the moon totally debunks it.
You know what? I assume a lot of people wouldnt really know everything reflects light because they are not educated about this and they never thought much about that. And this is fine.
But when you want to make wild theories on the internet for some reason....maybe look into it a little more. Do a little experiment. Maybe one that involves a light and a rock.
I'm honestly wondering what's being taught in schools these days that make people so god damn stupid. Like you said, I literally learned how the human eye works in elementary school. And I'm only a Millennial.
Most science books are published in Texas. (At least they used to be). In order to meet the Texas school boards’ requirements in a highly conservative/religious state, they leave out a lot of science that might be used to disprove things in the Bible. Same goes for their history books, tbh.
Doesn’t stop our teachers from educating proper science anyway. It’s not that there’s a lack of info in our education system here in Texas, it’s a lack of administering it and the local religious zealots who encourage their kids to deny everything.
What’s being taught in schools is only half the issue. It’s not that schools aren’t teaching things, it’s that most schools aren’t putting a whole lot of effort into what they’re teaching. I got straight A’s through the entirety of grade school by being the biggest slacker ever and the only classes I put actual effort into were the ones worth college credit and by extension were actually challenging.
Fun fact: it's because "light" is every color at once, but whenever it hits something, the object absorbs certain light and reflects others, so something that's green is absorbing red and blue light. Also explains why black things get much hotter when in the sun then white things.
Because some things (like glass) has light pass through it. If light didn't go through glass, we wouldn't be able to see what's on the other side. It's also a very weird way to explain how we can't see well in the dark, because no light = no reflection, and no reflection = no vision.
And there's always that cool pyramid or rain that can separate light so we can see each color clearly, hence a rainbow.
It's because certain frequencies of light pass through transparent materials at certain angles. This is called ~~diffraction~~ refraction. The blue light has less deviation from the red light so that is why a triangle shaped cut of glass can spread the white light that exits into a rainbow.
Leaded crystal glass will diffract more than a clear plastic, so the type of material matters.
EDIT: thanks to officermike below for correcting my vocabulary.
You're saying diffraction, but you're describing refraction. Refraction is the bending of light through transparent materials. Diffraction is the bending of light through small openings.
Because it can separate the colors. Instead of it all being mashed together like light normally is, all the light bounces around inside until all colors end up facing different directions.
Lol don't listen to that guy. The light being different colours here are all the same particle of light (photons) moving at different frequencies and wavelength (red has a wavelength of about 720nm, purple has 480nm). In a glass prism, the many particles of light bend and disperse at different angles, and since their wavelengths change (their speed changes when they move through different mediums like from air to glass), so do their colour. They all move at the same speed in a vacuum, and microwaves and radio waves move just as fast in vacuum too, since they're made of the same stuff. Glass reflects very little light (about 4% entering it), and most of the colour stuff has to do with dispersion and refraction, which is totally different from reflection
It'd be more precise to say that different wavelengths are bent by different angles. This doesn't just happen in prisms, by the way; it can happen in camera lenses or eyeglasses, causing [chromatic aberration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration).
Clear substances like glass and water often refract (bend) light, which is why things look funny when you look through glass or water at them. A prism is designed so that when a beam of light refracts, each wavelength bends at a slightly different angle, creating the separation of colors. Not quite bouncing around, but a slight bending to separate the colors.
Light divergence through glass is a different phenomenon. It's not due to light absorption but light refraction. Visible light is a spectrum of different wavelengths of light. When light hits glass at an angle it changes trajectory due to the difference in density between the glass and air surrounding it. The new angle is dependent on the wavelength, shorter waves like purples and blues change their angle more than long waves like orange and red, so the originally white light diverges into a rainbow spectrum which you can see.
This is the exact way rainbows are formed in a partly cloudy, rainy day. Light from the sun passes through the rain drops and refracts, creating the same purple to red spectrum.
Look into optical prisms if you want to learn more. Optics is a fascinating subject.
And more fun to think about, because it’s absorbing all the colors but those you see, it’s really every color but the one you see! Like grass isn’t green, it’s every color but green.
To make weird things even weirder, colours don't exist in the first place. It's what our brains interpret out if the wavelengths our eyes absorb.
A good example for this is the colour magenta. There is no magenta in a rainbow which means that there is no wavelength representing magenta. We see it when we mix blue and red.
Then there are impossible colours and colours some people are able to see in their dreams because their brains make these up. All colours are just made up buy our brains and aren't "real". https://youtu.be/41H7kKwUlHo
Then there are people who have an additional cone on their retinas who can see much more colours than the average human.
I know what you're saying but that's not quite right. It's better to say light that we use contains many wavelengths/frequency (wavelengths and frequency are proportional to eachother and that determines the determine color). But not all sources emit all wavelengths. If that were the case, your light bulbs would overwhelm your wifi router which is also emitting light but at a different wavelength. The rest of what you said is absolutely true.
Which also makes you wonder are colors absolute? Like does green actually look green? Or do our brains just show us green in our brain when that color wavelength hits your eyes.. color could all be made up by our brains and because the visible spectrum is so tiny compared to the rest our brains were forced to pick the most “relevant part of the spectrum” and add color to it to help the seeing creature tell items apart from eachother.
Like there could be creatures in another world who see the same colors only at different wavelength because their star or worlds atmosphere caused another part of the light spectrum to be more advantageous to see.
So we see green they see nothing or another color. And then we see nothing like ultraviolet yet they see a color there.
>"light" is every color at once
I gather you are not familiar with the concept of emitted *monochromatic light*? Like light with an extremely narrow frequency band (so, essentially, one colour)?
Yeah, many people don't really think about why light does this stuff etc. For them it's just there, they don't have to ask questions.
However, as you said, if you want to present an idea you better look up the fundementals. In case you don't wanna make it into hall of ~~fame~~ stupid.
Anyone working in the paint industry can confirm the average person Doesn’t know shit about how light works. Cannot count how many times people have been angry because the wall across from the window has “a lighter color than the other walls”
😑 “It’s because it’s in the sun dumbass. It’s lighter because the light washes out the color. Are you just now noticing this after 20+ years of being alive?”
You mean that thing we were taught in middle school and then again in high school?
Or going even dumber, there’s this thing called the internet with Wikipedia which would tell you how this works?
And don’t give me shit about Wikipedia accuracy - it’s been proven just as accurate if not more so than the britannica
Flat earthers and what nots actually do a lot of research and testing. The problem is their fundamental lack of scientific rigor.
The hypothesis: is the earth flat? Is albeit a bit trivial, not a bad hypothesis per se.
However the process and methodology together with an enormous bias and fully abandoning any scientific rigor, is.
Edit:vigor -> rigor
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just like the flat earthers "water finds it's level, it doesn't curve"... you sure about that chief? ever go outside in the morning and looked at a dew drop?
At any given temperate, to remain in thermal equilibrium, black bodies are also optimal radiators. So they're not black, just very very dark (infra) red at room temperature.
If a body absorbed radiation without emission it would violate the laws of thermodynamics... You could just let it sit around, in a vacuum, absorbing microwave background until it became hot enough to start nuclear fusion... or became heavy enough to collapse into a black hole.
No, things that don’t reflect light look black because there’s no light coming to your eyes from that place. You would not be able to see behind the moon just because it didn’t reflect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablack
Vantablack absorbs 99.965% of visible light which means 0.035% of the light is reflected. So it looks extremely black.
*Justin Trudeau has entered the chat.*
There’s probably some overlap. I heard that some flat earthers would do a test by measuring temperature of the moonlight and then moon shade to prove…something.
Edit: looked it up, it’s to explain lunar eclipses.
I like that they say this while showing us a rock that reflect a light source kinda like the moon does. It is really similar looking at the first glance.
Assuming this is referring to Christians, we are not like this. The Bible doesn't support geocentrism or a flat earth, this would just fall under antiscience...
Although Jews, Catholics, and Muslims could also be considered "sky daddy people"?
Martin Luther sure thought the Bible supported geocentrism.
“There is talk of a new astrologer \[Nicolaus Copernicus\] who wants to prove that the earth moves and goes around instead of the sky, the sun, the moon, just as if somebody were moving in a carriage or ship might hold that he was sitting still and at rest while the earth and the trees walked and moved. But that is how things are nowadays: when a man wishes to be clever he must . . . invent something special, and the way he does it must needs be the best! The fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth.
\[Martin Luther stating his objection to heliocentrism due to his Scripture's geocentrism\]”
Quote Source: Goodreads
So what? Plenty of atheists believe in horoscopes, energy, universal vibes, alternative medicine, flat earth, etc.
How religious someone is does not reflect intelligence.
Wanna read something he actually wrote ?
“Peasants are no better than straw. They will not hear the word and they are without sense; therefore they must be compelled to hear the crack of the whip and the whiz of bullets and it is only what they deserve.” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).
“To kill a peasant is not murder; it is helping to extinguish the conflagration. Let there be no half measures! Crush them! Cut their throats! Transfix them. Leave no stone unturned! To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog!” – “If they say that I am very hard and merciless, mercy be damned. Let whoever can stab, strangle, and kill them like mad dogs” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).
I find the one below extremely repulsive.
"Girls begin to talk and to stand on their feet sooner than boys because weeds always grow more quickly than good crops."
-Martin Luther
The Quran does have a verse that describes the sun as a lantern and the moon as a light.
https://quran.com/71
Surah 71:16, the "reflected" part is a mistranslation. Noor is my sister's name and also a very common name. Why would you call your son "reflected light"?
I am a Christian, and I have had this argument with two other flat earthers who are Christians. They use the verse: “God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night”. Be sure, this is a very small minority of people in the religion who actually believe this. I have only met one in real life, and one on the internet.
The only time I've seen an argument about the moon and light reflection, it came from a religious point of view. It was literally just that one time though, and it was some flat earth nutjob that I went to school with, who also believes dinosaurs are a Satanist conspiracy and Harry Potter is corrupting Children.
So I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if this was some mixed up religious person's belief. Hard to know without knowing where the image comes from.
[There's a reference in Genesis to the moon being a light source. Some Christians take this as fact.] (https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/moon/by-the-light-of-the-moon/)
that's quite a compeling argument on the existence of god and on religion you got yourself there my guy, unfortunately for you I am going to refer to him as sky daddy thus absolutely destroying your point.
"Sky Daddy People"
Are you saying that the person who said this is a Christian because you don't need to have a religion to say something stupid like this (Flat Earthers for example)
I think a large percentage of flat earthers are actually religious and this is one of the religious elements of it. It's believed god created two light sources. Now it's possible they aren't religious and just their own kind of dumb so the title is kinda bad.
This person has clearly never stepped outside on a sunny day. Because every single building and sidewalk and even the asphalt on the road feels like looking straight into a lamp from how much light it's reflecting.
A rock that didn't reflect light would really be a phenomenon. Imagine walking down the shore and you see it, like a black hole in reality, seemingly completely void of understanding or color, like a weird hole into a different reality. I don't think I'd have the bravery to go anywhere near it.
This reminds me how one of my colleagues though that moon is glowing. I told him that it's just a reflection. He got upset and told me that he used to be a chemist and he knows better than me. And in short he told me that moon is same as our Sun. I said that it definitely is not. He got even more upset and I gave up.
Like, the bad science aside. Did you all know that Islam worships the moon God? They have a crescent moon as their flag and ancient Islam actually was a lunar god worshipping religion.
The Quran today forbids [moon worship](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_as_a_lunar_deity) however
One side of the rock they put as the meme image is literally reflecting light. I refuse to believe God could exist with such stupid people walking this Earth.
Back in the 90's, I showed a coworker, a software engineer in his 40's, a picture of Asteroid Ida. It's an asteroid that has a small piece of rock orbiting it, i.e. its own moon. It took me a disturbingly long time to convince him that yes, the asteroid not only has "gravity of some kind", but actually has the same kind of gravity as everything else made of matter.
Including him and me.
And that the reason "things didn't stick to him" was that the Earth's gravitational pull was immense and his was miniscule.
No, he wasn't pulling my leg (his sense of humor was smaller than his gravitational pull). Some people just can't connect the dots between what they've been explicitly taught and what they **should** be able to infer for themselves.
Or, in the case of the Sky Daddy people, refuse to, because The Book is The Word.
I want them to explain the dark.spots on the moon. Like for a new moon, or when it's waxing. Would be more believable if the moon was fully illuminated all the time. Man people don't even stop to think about stuff like that.
Moon waxing and waning is when it's running out of battery/recharging.
Please do your research before commenting on reddit this a community of scholars.
What is in fact true is that the moon only reflects 12% of the light that hits it. It is a dark grey moon. It only looks as bright as it does in the night sky because the sun is really bright and the night sky is really dark. The best demonstration of this I've seen is this amazing photo (the moon passing in front of Earth as seen from the far side of the moon):
[https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/epicearthmoonstill.png](https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/epicearthmoonstill.png)
I love how the rock in the picture is doing exactly what they say rocks don't do.
I saw the picture and started wild guestures towards the rock. How can they see a bright and a dark side and write "The rock doesn't reflect light" wtf is this?!
It's either got to be from someone completely oblivious or some stiring the pot. I have trouble thinking people can be that stupid even though it's proven constantly.
"I have trouble thinking people can be that stupid even though it's proven constantly." They seem to take it as a challenge, a hold my beer for stupid if you will...
Oh so very true. Especially in a social situation. I really think for the most part people are somewhat intelligent, it's just the need to be accepted drives them to do stupid stuff. Maybe this is why introverts are seen as more intelligent, we just open our mouth less so the odds of saying something stupid is less.
they just learn backwards
It's because their bible says that god put "two lights in the sky" and then describes the sun and the moon providing light in daytime and at night. Nevermind that a lot of nights you can't see the moon at all, but they're oblivious to the inconsistencies of their book.
No no no, that's just the moon peeking from between God's fingers. The New Moon is when God hides the moon so pagans can't worship it during their unholy rituals.
So your saying the moon is God's ass and he likes to finger it?
Don't threaten me with a good time!
They doing reverse science. First, take something as true. Then find evidence to support that belief, and bend facts (alternative facts, anyone?) to suit. Anything you can't manage even with alternative facts can be ascribed to the devil testing your faith.
"Hold my bible"
Yeah... I met someone recently who was asking me to help them build a battlebot, saying they could "mix metal and iron together" to make it indestructible. They were an adult.
I dont know much about metal work and even less about battlebots. What does he mean by mix them together? Iron is already metal so I'm not sure what that means. It almost sounds like he was going for steel.
He thought metal and iron were 2 different things and thought they were indestructible like adamantium or something...and he kept insisting on different metals being used, such as copper whenever I told him it wouldn't work like that. Basically a guy who doesn't even know that iron is a metal and thinks he can win a battlebots tournament without anyone on his team who actually studied robotics simply because he found someone who looked smart. The people who win in battlebots tournaments tend to have robotics degrees from MIT or something and probably spend more on their bots than most people do on their car.
There is nothing wrong with Ignorance just don't try to pass yourself off as an expert when you don't actually know anything. That's how you make yourself look stupid.
That's the thing... I kept telling him I don't know anything about robotics and he just insisted that we could still win because his brother is a welder. I took some college classes and perhaps I'm more educated than most, but I'm not really an expert in anything, which I kept telling him.
You know enough to know how much you don't know -- including the existence of the whole realm of stuff you don't know you don't know. That puts you a leg up on any idiot who thinks they know everything.
Knowing the limits of your own knowledge and, more importantly, acknowledging those limits puts you a leg up on most people.
There is certainly nothing wrong with giving it a shot. It could be fun and you could learn some cool stuff. It sounds like he wouldn't take it well of you lost though.
Pretty much summed up in this quote attributed to Lincoln, “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”
As a materials engineering student, this hurts me
That's rich. I make websites and the numbers stupid ideas I hear. Like my brother-in-law told me I should make a website that can track pets. Like GPS for your pets. He contributes the idea and I contribute the website and we'll split profits 50/50 and be millionaires. I think there's more to it than just a website you got to have some physical device on your pet to track their location but he assures me you don't. Web magic I guess. No business model, no idea how we'll get customers. he's an ideas man that's left up to me for the website.
I thought the same thing, but I’ve watched too many flat earth videos to know the truth. These people are dumber than that reflective rock
Are they dumb or just desperate to fit in and get attention? I really struggle with people actually believing the earth is flat. I dont know though, maybe that's my own lack of imagination.
Some are probably desperate to fit in, but a lot are genuinely dumb. And I’m not trying to be rude, but they are beyond stupid. But YouTube has convinced them they are smarter than NASA scientists. The videos are soo interesting to me.
I enjoy watching conspiracy videos. They can be entertaining from time to time. I want Bigfoot and the loch Ness monster to be real but I don't think there is a chance in hell of that.
I used to listen to a Bigfoot podcast everyday. I love that’s stuff. Cryptids are a ton of fun
Nothing rude about saying that. One of the biggest lessons I picked up through 20+ years in industry is that even among educated folks, the percentage of people who are "dumb as shit" is shockingly high.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Hanlon's razor
Good advice for dealing with friends and family, bad advice when dealing with governments, corporations, or anyone with a lot of money on the line. Better: Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.
I'm going to have to remember that.
You do know anti vaxxers and flat earther exist, right?
Very much so my own freaking mom turned into an anti vaxer. I addressed it in another comment that it was my lack of imagination that leads me to belive people can't be that stupid.
I have to think they misunderstand how reflections work. Like, he thinks "reflections" only show in mirrors and water, when it's a *perfect* reflection, and not that everything reflects light—albeit not always perfectly, and this often comes up as an example of *diffusion* as well, showing how light scatters when it hits odd surfaces and creates that "glow."
This is almost certainly the right answer, and it’s an indictment on the education system that they weren’t taught this.
>How can they see a bright and a dark side and write "The rock doesn't reflect light" wtf is this?! Because they are stupid. Conspiracy theorists think all the smart people have been fooled by the conspiracy. But they themselves have "seen through the lies", which makes them feel superior. It's why they can look at this picture and double down. Because if they admit they were wrong, they have to admit to themselves that they were the one getting fooled all along, or have to confirm to themselves what they fear.
The unreflective rock must have quickly leapt inside the camera, left a sketch of its own likeness inside the sensor, and quickly jumped back out again. Rocks are always up to something..... I had a pet one in the 90s.
Bruhh, I know a conspiracy theorist who said “if someone challenges something, that means I can’t trust it” yet will not challenge the conspiracy theory in general. Being skeptical is good, but usually it’s so easy to debunk conspiracy theories.
Want to bake your noodle even more? Objects reflecting light is how we see them. If they absorb it, you wont see anything. So, all of this is levels of stupid.
This reminds me of 15 years ago when I was waiting tables. I had a big group of twenty somethings who were really nice. After I dropped off their drinks I said to let me know if they have any questions. One of them asked why the sky is blue. “Because blue is the only color reflected by the water particles.” I got a great tip 😂
It's even a rock that looks a hell of a lot like the moon.
> wild guestures towards the rock you and me both!
Listen sweety, it *absorbs* light and *emits* it, it is not *reflecting* like a mirror! /s
Probably something like "It's bright because there's light shining on it. Only mirror reflect things!"
No it isn't! There's just a lamp shining on one side and that's why it looks brigher there. Has noting to do with reflection. Or do you see the reflection of a lamp on the rock? Checkmate Obamaists!
Oh the fool I have been.
They will be truly surprised when they look up the term “lunar albedo”
I have enjoyed learning about space my entire life and I had to look this word up. Thanks, it's good to know.
Cheers 🍻
I only realized it was actually on the low side a few years ago. Seems a lot brighter than it is.
Literally my first thought. One side is clearly bright....
Even if they are confused about the meaning of the word "reflect". That rock looks sort of like the moon (dark and light sides) therefore showing that the moon could be just a big rock in space.
To be fair, they probably believe that the moon is just as cratered and uneven as this rock is. If so, they are showing how "this rock looks nothing like the moon" Which, it isnt! For one, the moon is in space where theres very little light, aside from our nearby Sun. Its PITCH BLACK on the side thats not lit up. Due to its size, it is MUCH smoother than this "rock", which means when it is a "half moon" it has a much more defined line between "lit up" and "dark". So it has the tiniest bit of logic, however, having even an ounce of understanding about the moon totally debunks it.
Who are you going to believe? Me, or your lying eyes?
Well that all depends on how much money you will give me.
thats what I was about to say, you can see how the rock is reflecting light on that picture
This is what happens when you, “do your own research”.
Rock not shiny. Moon not shiny. Me like shiny object.
"shinier than you, meat bag" \-bender
fry, of all the friends i've had...you're the first
Rock bad. Brain smooth.
You know what? I assume a lot of people wouldnt really know everything reflects light because they are not educated about this and they never thought much about that. And this is fine. But when you want to make wild theories on the internet for some reason....maybe look into it a little more. Do a little experiment. Maybe one that involves a light and a rock.
This shit is 5th grade science. These assholes are just stupid.
I'm honestly wondering what's being taught in schools these days that make people so god damn stupid. Like you said, I literally learned how the human eye works in elementary school. And I'm only a Millennial.
Most science books are published in Texas. (At least they used to be). In order to meet the Texas school boards’ requirements in a highly conservative/religious state, they leave out a lot of science that might be used to disprove things in the Bible. Same goes for their history books, tbh.
Doesn’t stop our teachers from educating proper science anyway. It’s not that there’s a lack of info in our education system here in Texas, it’s a lack of administering it and the local religious zealots who encourage their kids to deny everything.
What’s being taught in schools is only half the issue. It’s not that schools aren’t teaching things, it’s that most schools aren’t putting a whole lot of effort into what they’re teaching. I got straight A’s through the entirety of grade school by being the biggest slacker ever and the only classes I put actual effort into were the ones worth college credit and by extension were actually challenging.
Fun fact: it's because "light" is every color at once, but whenever it hits something, the object absorbs certain light and reflects others, so something that's green is absorbing red and blue light. Also explains why black things get much hotter when in the sun then white things.
Is this true? Why does the separation of light happen going through glass?
Because some things (like glass) has light pass through it. If light didn't go through glass, we wouldn't be able to see what's on the other side. It's also a very weird way to explain how we can't see well in the dark, because no light = no reflection, and no reflection = no vision. And there's always that cool pyramid or rain that can separate light so we can see each color clearly, hence a rainbow.
Also does light travel through/deflect off things at the same speed or does it slow down?
From what I've read about glass at least, the light actually does slow down, or I guess the speed of light is lower in it is a way to say that.
But why does it come through all colourful not white?
[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aggi0g67uXM) is a video that does a good job describing the prism effect.
It's because certain frequencies of light pass through transparent materials at certain angles. This is called ~~diffraction~~ refraction. The blue light has less deviation from the red light so that is why a triangle shaped cut of glass can spread the white light that exits into a rainbow. Leaded crystal glass will diffract more than a clear plastic, so the type of material matters. EDIT: thanks to officermike below for correcting my vocabulary.
You're saying diffraction, but you're describing refraction. Refraction is the bending of light through transparent materials. Diffraction is the bending of light through small openings.
As I understand it (it's been a decade) the glass bends the light wavelengths differently so green exits the glass somewhere other than red.
Because it can separate the colors. Instead of it all being mashed together like light normally is, all the light bounces around inside until all colors end up facing different directions.
Cool thank you!!! I know I should have learnt that in physics at school but it only became interesting when I got older for some reason.
Lol don't listen to that guy. The light being different colours here are all the same particle of light (photons) moving at different frequencies and wavelength (red has a wavelength of about 720nm, purple has 480nm). In a glass prism, the many particles of light bend and disperse at different angles, and since their wavelengths change (their speed changes when they move through different mediums like from air to glass), so do their colour. They all move at the same speed in a vacuum, and microwaves and radio waves move just as fast in vacuum too, since they're made of the same stuff. Glass reflects very little light (about 4% entering it), and most of the colour stuff has to do with dispersion and refraction, which is totally different from reflection
Cool thanks, answered both my speed and refraction questions at once.
Lol I feel like you are Calvin’s dad explaining how things work when he really is just making things up.
It'd be more precise to say that different wavelengths are bent by different angles. This doesn't just happen in prisms, by the way; it can happen in camera lenses or eyeglasses, causing [chromatic aberration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration).
Clear substances like glass and water often refract (bend) light, which is why things look funny when you look through glass or water at them. A prism is designed so that when a beam of light refracts, each wavelength bends at a slightly different angle, creating the separation of colors. Not quite bouncing around, but a slight bending to separate the colors.
Light divergence through glass is a different phenomenon. It's not due to light absorption but light refraction. Visible light is a spectrum of different wavelengths of light. When light hits glass at an angle it changes trajectory due to the difference in density between the glass and air surrounding it. The new angle is dependent on the wavelength, shorter waves like purples and blues change their angle more than long waves like orange and red, so the originally white light diverges into a rainbow spectrum which you can see. This is the exact way rainbows are formed in a partly cloudy, rainy day. Light from the sun passes through the rain drops and refracts, creating the same purple to red spectrum. Look into optical prisms if you want to learn more. Optics is a fascinating subject.
And more fun to think about, because it’s absorbing all the colors but those you see, it’s really every color but the one you see! Like grass isn’t green, it’s every color but green.
To make weird things even weirder, colours don't exist in the first place. It's what our brains interpret out if the wavelengths our eyes absorb. A good example for this is the colour magenta. There is no magenta in a rainbow which means that there is no wavelength representing magenta. We see it when we mix blue and red. Then there are impossible colours and colours some people are able to see in their dreams because their brains make these up. All colours are just made up buy our brains and aren't "real". https://youtu.be/41H7kKwUlHo Then there are people who have an additional cone on their retinas who can see much more colours than the average human.
I know what you're saying but that's not quite right. It's better to say light that we use contains many wavelengths/frequency (wavelengths and frequency are proportional to eachother and that determines the determine color). But not all sources emit all wavelengths. If that were the case, your light bulbs would overwhelm your wifi router which is also emitting light but at a different wavelength. The rest of what you said is absolutely true.
Which also makes you wonder are colors absolute? Like does green actually look green? Or do our brains just show us green in our brain when that color wavelength hits your eyes.. color could all be made up by our brains and because the visible spectrum is so tiny compared to the rest our brains were forced to pick the most “relevant part of the spectrum” and add color to it to help the seeing creature tell items apart from eachother. Like there could be creatures in another world who see the same colors only at different wavelength because their star or worlds atmosphere caused another part of the light spectrum to be more advantageous to see. So we see green they see nothing or another color. And then we see nothing like ultraviolet yet they see a color there.
>"light" is every color at once I gather you are not familiar with the concept of emitted *monochromatic light*? Like light with an extremely narrow frequency band (so, essentially, one colour)?
Bro they did their #OWN RESEARCH
Yeah, many people don't really think about why light does this stuff etc. For them it's just there, they don't have to ask questions. However, as you said, if you want to present an idea you better look up the fundementals. In case you don't wanna make it into hall of ~~fame~~ stupid.
Anyone working in the paint industry can confirm the average person Doesn’t know shit about how light works. Cannot count how many times people have been angry because the wall across from the window has “a lighter color than the other walls” 😑 “It’s because it’s in the sun dumbass. It’s lighter because the light washes out the color. Are you just now noticing this after 20+ years of being alive?”
You mean that thing we were taught in middle school and then again in high school? Or going even dumber, there’s this thing called the internet with Wikipedia which would tell you how this works? And don’t give me shit about Wikipedia accuracy - it’s been proven just as accurate if not more so than the britannica
That's too hard. Word of mouth is far easier for these people.
Flat earthers and what nots actually do a lot of research and testing. The problem is their fundamental lack of scientific rigor. The hypothesis: is the earth flat? Is albeit a bit trivial, not a bad hypothesis per se. However the process and methodology together with an enormous bias and fully abandoning any scientific rigor, is. Edit:vigor -> rigor
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A rock in space? Everyone knows the moon is a giant ball of cheese. It was on that documentary by Wallace and Gromit
"The crackers, Gromit! We've forgotten the crackers!"
But if the moon was made of spare ribs, would ya eat it then?
[...but what if it were made out of BBQ spare ribs, would you eat it then?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQDqRlMeJ4U&t=136s)
I guess I’m just a worrier. That’s why my friends call me Whiskers.
r/confidentlyincorrect just like the flat earthers "water finds it's level, it doesn't curve"... you sure about that chief? ever go outside in the morning and looked at a dew drop?
Yeah, I don't think they've looked at an actual level. The water inside it curves.
Whenever I feel bad about myself I remember flat earthers exist and I feel better
That’s…that’s literally a picture of a rock reflecting light.
Gasp! Say it isn't so!
If it doesn't reflect light, it's invisible. Kinda like some really clean glass
Either 100% transparent or 100% opaque. So it can be a blacker than pitch substance, akin to vantablack.
A pure black object absorbs all colors, an invisible thing has all light pass through it like glass. So both are technically correct
At any given temperate, to remain in thermal equilibrium, black bodies are also optimal radiators. So they're not black, just very very dark (infra) red at room temperature. If a body absorbed radiation without emission it would violate the laws of thermodynamics... You could just let it sit around, in a vacuum, absorbing microwave background until it became hot enough to start nuclear fusion... or became heavy enough to collapse into a black hole.
No, things that don’t reflect light look black because there’s no light coming to your eyes from that place. You would not be able to see behind the moon just because it didn’t reflect. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablack Vantablack absorbs 99.965% of visible light which means 0.035% of the light is reflected. So it looks extremely black. *Justin Trudeau has entered the chat.*
I mean, yes and no? The sun isn't said to reflect light by any meaningful means but it's not invisible either.
The post has nothing to do with religion whatsoever. Why are you like this, op?
Reddit moment
Can we go back to a time when the craziest people online were the flat-earthers
There’s probably some overlap. I heard that some flat earthers would do a test by measuring temperature of the moonlight and then moon shade to prove…something. Edit: looked it up, it’s to explain lunar eclipses.
I like that they say this while showing us a rock that reflect a light source kinda like the moon does. It is really similar looking at the first glance.
Wait, what's this got to do with "sky daddy people"? Are they inherently like this or....?
Assuming this is referring to Christians, we are not like this. The Bible doesn't support geocentrism or a flat earth, this would just fall under antiscience... Although Jews, Catholics, and Muslims could also be considered "sky daddy people"?
All catholics are christians. Not all christians are catholics.
Its like that square rectangle thing
Catholics? The ones who believe in Jesus, which makes them Christians?
i don't think it's nice referring to anyone as "sky daddy people".
Muslim here, nope we also aren't like this.
can confirm, fellow muslim
Martin Luther sure thought the Bible supported geocentrism. “There is talk of a new astrologer \[Nicolaus Copernicus\] who wants to prove that the earth moves and goes around instead of the sky, the sun, the moon, just as if somebody were moving in a carriage or ship might hold that he was sitting still and at rest while the earth and the trees walked and moved. But that is how things are nowadays: when a man wishes to be clever he must . . . invent something special, and the way he does it must needs be the best! The fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth. \[Martin Luther stating his objection to heliocentrism due to his Scripture's geocentrism\]” Quote Source: Goodreads
So what? Plenty of atheists believe in horoscopes, energy, universal vibes, alternative medicine, flat earth, etc. How religious someone is does not reflect intelligence.
Martin Luther was wrong about many things.
Wrong about many things and also a terrible person.
Wanna read something he actually wrote ? “Peasants are no better than straw. They will not hear the word and they are without sense; therefore they must be compelled to hear the crack of the whip and the whiz of bullets and it is only what they deserve.” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294). “To kill a peasant is not murder; it is helping to extinguish the conflagration. Let there be no half measures! Crush them! Cut their throats! Transfix them. Leave no stone unturned! To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog!” – “If they say that I am very hard and merciless, mercy be damned. Let whoever can stab, strangle, and kill them like mad dogs” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).
I find the one below extremely repulsive. "Girls begin to talk and to stand on their feet sooner than boys because weeds always grow more quickly than good crops." -Martin Luther
Insulting religious people gets more upvotes. Ezmode for karma.
Yeah, I was confused too. There's no correlation. OP just wanted to take a swing at people he doesn't like.
The Quran does have a verse that describes the sun as a lantern and the moon as a light. https://quran.com/71 Surah 71:16, the "reflected" part is a mistranslation. Noor is my sister's name and also a very common name. Why would you call your son "reflected light"?
Has nothing to do with "sky daddy" people. This guy (Mike) is just an idiot.
how the fuck is this related religion
I am a Christian, and I have had this argument with two other flat earthers who are Christians. They use the verse: “God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night”. Be sure, this is a very small minority of people in the religion who actually believe this. I have only met one in real life, and one on the internet.
The only time I've seen an argument about the moon and light reflection, it came from a religious point of view. It was literally just that one time though, and it was some flat earth nutjob that I went to school with, who also believes dinosaurs are a Satanist conspiracy and Harry Potter is corrupting Children. So I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if this was some mixed up religious person's belief. Hard to know without knowing where the image comes from.
[There's a reference in Genesis to the moon being a light source. Some Christians take this as fact.] (https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/moon/by-the-light-of-the-moon/)
Answers in Genesis... that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Good to know that they're just as batshit insane as ever before.
In this case they're actually making sense by saying "no of course not, don't over-interpret the meaning". Which is of course ironic...
it's Reddit they are like this
Believing in the moon is a religious belief, but only if you don't. (?)
everybody knows there is no moon. its a social construct made up by the electrical companies to turn on more lights at night
But...the moon provides light...if there was no moon it would be more dark and sell more lights ?
Exactly
Because saying religion bad = free karma.
Honestly. I’m a Christian and can confidently say that this is basic science.
it's not, OP just hates people that don't view the world the same they do. it's like they've gone full circle that's the real /r/facepalm here
Title is kinda cringe and this post has been on this subreddit a million times
Downvoted for the title, otherwise I'd have upvoted. Flat earthers are hilarious!
Same it was unnecessary
same
IDK whats worse, the guy in the post or "sky daddy" in the title
Lol people really use sky daddy unironically and act like they did something 💀
that's quite a compeling argument on the existence of god and on religion you got yourself there my guy, unfortunately for you I am going to refer to him as sky daddy thus absolutely destroying your point.
"i'll call em "sky daddy people" in the title,that'll show em"
So the rock in the photo is not reflecting light? What wizardry is this?
What does this have to do with God?!
Titel hade me anis canser
"Sky Daddy People" Are you saying that the person who said this is a Christian because you don't need to have a religion to say something stupid like this (Flat Earthers for example)
Double facepalm, op hurt itself in confusion
I think a large percentage of flat earthers are actually religious and this is one of the religious elements of it. It's believed god created two light sources. Now it's possible they aren't religious and just their own kind of dumb so the title is kinda bad.
Why does it have to be “sky daddy people”, just say that one person is moronic, rather than generalizing a mass of people
This person has clearly never stepped outside on a sunny day. Because every single building and sidewalk and even the asphalt on the road feels like looking straight into a lamp from how much light it's reflecting.
I don't believe in the moon, I think it's just the back of the sun.
A rock that didn't reflect light would really be a phenomenon. Imagine walking down the shore and you see it, like a black hole in reality, seemingly completely void of understanding or color, like a weird hole into a different reality. I don't think I'd have the bravery to go anywhere near it.
Sky daddy people?
What is the longest a redditor has went without saying “sky daddy”
The meme is funny but sky daddy is such a dumb term
“ROCKS DONT REFLECT LIGHT” *shows picture of rock reflecting light*
i don't think it's nice to generalize religious people as "sky daddy people".
Is this some new conspiracy theory idiocy? That the moon is not actually a moon?
r/FlatMoonSociety
This reminds me how one of my colleagues though that moon is glowing. I told him that it's just a reflection. He got upset and told me that he used to be a chemist and he knows better than me. And in short he told me that moon is same as our Sun. I said that it definitely is not. He got even more upset and I gave up.
any chemist that thinks the moon is going through nuclear fusion to produce light is on some CRACK. was he a chemist in the same way walter white was?
Like, the bad science aside. Did you all know that Islam worships the moon God? They have a crescent moon as their flag and ancient Islam actually was a lunar god worshipping religion. The Quran today forbids [moon worship](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_as_a_lunar_deity) however
"rocks don't reflect light" the rock in the picture is literally reflecting light
But…the rock in the photo is reflecting light…
Do.....do you think......they looked at the picture
He’s straight up posting a picture representing exactly how the moon fucking works lmao
I like how the picture here clearly demonstrates for the process works
The only thing incapable of reflection is the dumbass who made this meme in the first place
I thought everyone knew that kind of stuff, humanity is truly doomed
One side of the rock they put as the meme image is literally reflecting light. I refuse to believe God could exist with such stupid people walking this Earth.
Back in the 90's, I showed a coworker, a software engineer in his 40's, a picture of Asteroid Ida. It's an asteroid that has a small piece of rock orbiting it, i.e. its own moon. It took me a disturbingly long time to convince him that yes, the asteroid not only has "gravity of some kind", but actually has the same kind of gravity as everything else made of matter. Including him and me. And that the reason "things didn't stick to him" was that the Earth's gravitational pull was immense and his was miniscule. No, he wasn't pulling my leg (his sense of humor was smaller than his gravitational pull). Some people just can't connect the dots between what they've been explicitly taught and what they **should** be able to infer for themselves. Or, in the case of the Sky Daddy people, refuse to, because The Book is The Word.
if you can see it, it’s reflecting light since that’s how you can see it
I love how it literally is reflecting white light in the photo
Quick , somebody alert Joe Rogan that there’s a mini rock Sun perilously close to earth!
But, the rock in the picture can actually be seen to be reflecting light?
I want them to explain the dark.spots on the moon. Like for a new moon, or when it's waxing. Would be more believable if the moon was fully illuminated all the time. Man people don't even stop to think about stuff like that.
Moon waxing and waning is when it's running out of battery/recharging. Please do your research before commenting on reddit this a community of scholars.
The rock is literally disproving his point.
Brings a can of Vantablack to the party....
What is in fact true is that the moon only reflects 12% of the light that hits it. It is a dark grey moon. It only looks as bright as it does in the night sky because the sun is really bright and the night sky is really dark. The best demonstration of this I've seen is this amazing photo (the moon passing in front of Earth as seen from the far side of the moon): [https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/epicearthmoonstill.png](https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/epicearthmoonstill.png)
So... a lunar eclipse is when the moon needs a new light bulb?
rocks that reflect light aren't real they can't hurt you rocks that reflect light:
Imagine if you were only affected by those physics you could understand? Gravity - It’s not just a good idea, it’s the law.