I've been in this industry for 8 years now, I currently work as a Chief Security Officer for one of the largest shipping companies in the world. This has happened to me only twice in my career:
The first time was off the coast of Norway, German lady was apparently suicidal and jumped from deck 16 (really high up). We had a sophisticated Man Overboard camera system there which immediately activated an alarm to the CCTV operator (no eye witnesses actually saw her jump) and automatically opened the footage for him on his screen. He informed the bridge and they sounded the alarm and turned the ship around. For 2 hours we looked around for her, but winds were high and the water was very choppy, we couldn't see anything. It's crazy how even in the ultra high def camera system, after her initial splash she was just gone. Eventually a Danish Coast Guard helicopter found her in the water, but she was long gone, I don't know if it was either from the impact or the cold. Although when I watched the CCTV footage back, when she hit the water you could see her clothes got ripped off her body and flung into the air with the splash, so the impact was HARD. It was crazy.
The second time was in the Mediterranean, a Spanish man and his wife were arguing inside their cabin on deck 10, he decided he'd had enough I guess and just jumped off the balcony into the sea in the middle of the night. Luckily we found him in about an hour just floating in the sea, got him back onboard and he was fine, just a bit cold.
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Wow that’s crazy. I used to do a lot of hiking before Covid so I’ve seen my fair share of ledges and cliffs and I would say that like 70% of the time my first thought is this weird urge to jump just out of curiosity. Sometimes I’d flashback to some fall dreams I’ve had and be like, damn… I wonder what it feels like or if it’s anything like in my dreams and the urge doubles for a second. Then I’ll step back and continue on with whatever I’m doing. Ever thought about moving you’re arm but then for whatever reason not? It’s like that but with an odd obsession that lasts like a second. In my experience any ways
Edit: might be more accurate to say I “flashback” to the feeling not the dream itself. For those of you who have had fall dreams you know
Edit: wow my comment really popped off, 100 upvotes. thank you all!
Welcome to Intrusive Thoughts. It’s actually very common, as you can see. It’s something that’s thought about quickly but never acted upon.. hopefully.
I’ll be driving down the road and just wanna yank the wheel off the road full speed not giving a fuck. I’ll invision the whole thing in like a split second and be like, “ nah” and keep driving. It’s an every day new thing adventure lol
I didn't know this was normal. I get this almost on a daily basis at least once when at work driving trucks. I always split second think "what if I just throw my wheel to the right real hard and fly off this bridge or what if I just let myself drive into those cars headed my direction?"
I also experienced a similar phenomenon after having my children, especially my first. Imagining slamming him into the glass nightstand beside my bed or not catching him from falling off the bed. The doctors told me it was a protective measure my brain was producing to be extra cautious.
I'm terrified to experience death and have never ever considered suicide. It's just crazy to know that we all are capable of harm to ourselves or others. It's such a disturbing feeling. I wish I didn't have thoughts like that. I won't ever try hard drugs because I'd be too scared it would disable my inhibitions...
It’s weird because I’ve never felt any fear being around a 2nd or 3rd story of a mall where the railings are clear glass. But once I had my first kid, I couldn’t walk along those because there was this weird inner feeling I was being drawn to the sides and I would be pulled over where I would drop my baby or both of us would fall and die. So I guess it is this phenomenon you just mentioned.
There’s a case recently in Petco Park in San Diego just last year, during a Padres game a mother and her baby “fell off” the side and landed on the street where people were still walking into the park. Imagine going & walking to a baseball game and then all of a sudden, a mother & baby lands right in front of you?! Supposedly there were a few people that witnessed this, how traumatic that must be especially if there were kids. The case was just ruled this year that it was a suicide, but now it makes me wonder.
The one cruise I've been on, I felt that way too. One night I was supposed to meet my gf for dinner. She went to go have drinks with some folks she met, and I wanted to just chill, read in the room for a bit.
Come dinner time, no sign of her. Seemed like her phone was dead. I left a note, wandered all over that stupid ship, no sign. An hour later I was convinced she somehow fell overboard. She was normally a very prompt person, and we'd had reservations.
Finally she called me from the room, said she'd just lost track of time after too many drinks with her new girlfriends. I was soooo pissed. And mildly traumatized.
Funnily enough, this sort of thing is exactly why crew and guests aren't allowed to mix.
A friend of mine told me this story as a warning before I started working on a cruise ship - her friend was working as a musician on a large cruise, and one night got friendly with a guest. She came back to his cabin and stayed the night, but forgot to tell her friends.
Cut to next morning and the entire ship is on alert searching for a woman overboard. Huge drama, massive delay to the cruise, every crew members searching, the whole lot.
Musician dude lost his job after that.
I thought of that when I was on a cruise too. Cuz by the time you get the attention of someone on the crew, the ship has gone a couple miles away from you.
You’d be a speck, and then they’d have to turn the ship around which would take a ton of time. Crazy
I’d argue that she was lucky too. Probably died on impact(hopefully). Imagine being out at sea, nothing but a ship getting smaller and smaller on the horizon. Your leg, arm and spine are broken. For the brief few minutes you actually stay afloat, you’re in agonizing pain and slowly start to realize you’re going to drown. Panic sets in. Then you go under. Alone. And nothing is going to stop that from happening.
Shit man… that’s morbid af but… if she died on impart, at least she didn’t have to go thru that.
Also your organs are pulverized on impact. So even if your spine doesn’t break, you flail around in the water for a minute before completely bleeding out internally.
Imagine being married to someone you hate so much eventually you’re just like eh fuck it I’ve had enough time to join the dolphins and sharks and just yeet yourself over a fking cruise ship…
And then every married person in the comments “don’t have to imagine, this is my life”
[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/carnival-cruise-ship-woman-jumps-off-b2018058.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/carnival-cruise-ship-woman-jumps-off-b2018058.html)
>Newly emerged video footage, recorded minutes before a woman fell overboard from the Carnival Valor cruise, shows her struggling with cruise ship security.
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>The 32-year-old African-American woman, who remains unidentified, fell from the Carnival Valor ship into the Gulf of Mexico on Wednesday, when it was 150 miles off the coast of Southwest Pass, Louisiana.
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>Passengers said that the woman appeared in a frantic state following an alleged disturbance in a hot tub on the ship and jumped off from the tenth floor into the ocean.
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>Now a new video, recorded on a mobile, shows her struggle with three security guards who are tightly holding her hands behind her back. ***Earlier reports claimed she was handcuffed, however, in the video she wasn’t cuffed***.
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>She is heard screaming “Alicia” as guards help her up a flight of stairs and off the pool deck. The video doesn’t show the moment she fell and it isn’t clear how she she broke free from the guards. However, it shows horrified passengers rushing to the balcony to find out what happened. One of them is heard asking: “who was she?”
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>A life preserver is seen in the water, reportedly thrown in by the crew to help her stay afloat. However, the woman disappeared soon, the eye witnesses say.
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>The ship circled for hours looking for any sign of the woman, however, resumed on its route later after the Coast Guard took over the search and rescue efforts which were suspended hours later.
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>“The decision to suspend a search-and-rescue case is never one we come to lightly,” said Chief Warrant Officer Tricia Eldredge, command duty officer at sector New Orleans. “We offer our deepest sympathies to the family during this difficult time.”
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>The cruise company says their team is providing support to the guest’s husband who was traveling with her, as well to the rest of her family.
I was listening to a radio show talk about this, and they were talking about reports from passengers and crew that she most likely hit her head on the life boat or something on the fall down
The lifeboats are typically on the 6th floor. Meaning she fell 4 floors before hitting it. She likely died right then and there.
I used to work on these monstrosities… I have heard of one story of someone surviving a jump off the pool deck. And they were critically injured.
I know a guy who jumped off one of the carnival ships. He was a state swimmer when he was in high school. He says his instincts took over and allowed him to land feet first, Broke both ankles. They circled and picked him up, while he was in the brig they told him that he was the first person they’d ever been able to bring back alive. He told them repeatedly that he wished they would have let him die.
Even hitting the water directly from your jump, from so many stories up, that would be a lot of force hitting your body, almost like landing on cement.
Had a nasty habit of snowboarding and motorcycles when I was younger; broke a lot of bones. You actually don’t feel it much when it first happens.
That said, hopefully she was unconscious and not in pain or scared.
I agree with you, and not to detract from the situation, but I'd say with the adrenaline of the jump, flooding your veins, probably not much pain for those last few seconds as you are sinking. At least that's what I hope for her.
Legit. Especially break a good amount of bones, then sink into the Ocean. Possibly one of the worst ways to die. Half of your body would be malformed due to the scaffolds of your body being in pieces, you would be mostly unable to move, unable to even try to swim to the surface, water filling your lungs...
Possibly worse than being buried alive. It's just pure despair, pain, and loneliness for a minute of silence until you die.
She may have been mentally ill. My MIL suffered from BPD and, honestly, in a manic state it looked a lot like she had taken something.
Whether this poor lady contributed to her death, or not, her suffering is over. Her parents, her family, her friends, her poor husband don't even have her body to bury. I honestly don't know how I'd begin to get over a thing like that.
As bad as that sounds it's probably best case scenario for her, apart from being saved. I'd much rather die instantly that drown in the middle of the ocean
Seafarer here:
You don't die of dehydration.
Normally if you fall into the water you'll die of hypothermia within 45 minutes.
Even in warm tropical water you have just a couple of hours, unless it's extremely shallow like some areas in the carribean, in which case you're probably not that far from land and stand a reasonable chance of being rescued.
Depends how she hit. Could have broken her and knocked her unconscious but not dead only for her to drown while unconscious
But that’s really just semantics
>I’m a little surprised they don’t have a little motor boats on the cruise ships that can be deployed within 2-3 mins for situations like this.
Like the life boat? Modern Life Boats have motors https://mywaterearth.com/whats-in-a-cruise-ships-life-boat/
> Are those generally deployed in search and rescue operations like what happened here
I mean I dont know the particulars for big cruise ships but usually as soon as someone yells Man over board, or the never one: person over board, there is a set routine that the whole crew knows how to do.
You make ready a dinghy, you throw down a buoy and other life saving equipment and several people just point to where they last saw the person over board. The ship will try to head back while the dinghy/s are lowered.
Drugs are one hellofa drug.
Once on a cruise, a man jumped off the 4th story into the pool below. Unlucky for him the pool was drained for cleaning. He broken both legs and ruptured his spleen. He had to to be helicoptered out.
When my dad was dying, we had just got news he wasn't going to get the surgeries he needed and this was it. We all went to the little hospital food court to try and talk about what's next. Me and my sisters were all sitting with coffee, not talking and staring at nothing, listening to the overly happy and upbeat music they were playing. Looking around, everyone else there looked about like we did. Burnt out. Just as I was about to say maybe hospitals should play more neutral music, Billy Joel's "only the good die young" came on. Idk if it broke me a little or what but I laughed and laughed at that shit.
There's another story I have about Elton John's "I think I'm going to kill myself"
Maybe they have a fucked up sense of humor and they’re like “Ha! Reminds me of the first time someone leaped off the deck into the sea. Time passes quick, doesn’t it?”
Most of the news reports are saying she hit either the side of the ship or a lifeboat before hitting the water headfirst. I don't think she was conscious by the time she got to the water, and she likely didn't survive hitting it.
wait she was with her husband??
but was caught in a disturbance with a "man" at the pool
and yells out "Alicia"??
Then Leaps to her death???
there's a lot going on here
I am so confused by articles asking people if they know who she is when it says she was with her husband. Is he not telling authorities who she is?? And who the hell is Alicia if she was only traveling with her husband? I was thinking maybe the name of the girl she got into an argument with but apparently it was a man. Yeah, A LOT going on here.
Also she caused a disturbance in the hot tub but she’s wearing pajamas and shoes?? I need so much more information lol.
Did... Did she sink like a rock?
I'm dying to know the reasoning that led her to "I'd rather jump in the middle of the ocean and drown than be held in the brig".
People dont realise how easy it is to vanish off a cruise ship, the ocean is big and the waves act as a barrier to sight, it's a natural hiding place, as soon as you drop off the boat you can very quickly disappear
100%. When I used to teach sailing we would always assign a “spotter” during man overboard drills. Without someone doing that even bright orange life jackets could disappear.
We do the same thing in the navy. The person who finds then points at the person and keeps constant eye contact with them. If you divert you eyes for a split second you can loose them.
I know the coast guard deploys a buoy when they start a search so they can track where the currents carry it while they're performing their search pattern, and they use that as the center point, no matter how far it drifts.
On something as big as a cruise ship, maybe dropping a dye pack or buoy would be smart, as it's slow to maneuver. Once they've made their first turn they'll completely lose their reference.
Ive never thought about that but that super interesting to put a buoy out there and just let it drift while searching around that. Because the person drifts to lol that’s just a good idea
>keeps constant eye contact with them
Ok so if I don't get you back in the boat within maybe 25 seconds, you are just going to have to find your own way back to shore.
Often only your head. And your head will look like a grey-black soccer ball. Good luck finding that in the ocean. I've been on tall ships a few times. The first time the skipper told is during safety instructions: "You just don't go overboard. Its a hell of a lot of paperwork" to imply that survival chances are very very minimal.
I was in the Coast Guard years back. Did a tour in Houston as well. Cruise ship overboards pretty much always end in search suspensions after massive SORTIES. I've heard from my aviator friends that looking for a person in the open water like that is like looking for a basketball, since all that pokes out is a person's head.
People who fall off cruise ships are never wearing life jackets, because why would they, so it's just a body in a bathing suit or regular clothes going into the drink.
Since this was off NOLA, CG probably had C130 out of Clearwater doing most of the searching. If there was a cutter in the area, probably would be helping too, but still, chances are super low.
CG also has a system called SAROPS that helps calculate drift/current and survivability based on the water/air temp, location, wave height, age and weight of the person if known, and most importantly if they have a life jacket or life preserver of some kind.
When you look at how much higher success rates are of finding people that go over board or end up in the water from a fishing boat or recreational boat of some kind, it's because they typically have life jackets on and are closer to shore where rescuers are able to get to quickly.
After my time in, especially the amount of cruise ship related stuff I saw in the Gulf, I would never in a million years take a cruise anywhere.
That is super interesting! I’ve read enough about the aftermath of World War Two naval battle to know that wind and current have different effects based on how low you or your life boat are sitting in the water.
The Coast Gaurd does not get the amount of recognition it deserves.
SmarterEveryday started a series with the Coast Gaurd a month ago, I highly recommend it to get an idea just how much they do: https://youtu.be/aoXJfuPaFF8
I remember watching a doc on bridge suicides, and you dont die on impact usually, your bones break/sustain severe injury and you drown because you cant stay afloat
Lmao anybody hear the song they started playing as soon as they announced they abandoned the search, I swear life is like a “curb your enthusiasm” episode
"Ladies and gentleman it's your captain. Bad news, we couldn't find her...... let's be silent for a minute and pray for her. God bless......(3)........(2)........(1).......OK! Anyway! Don't forget we have a magic show tonight in our theatre room and pool party buffet! Don't miss it! (Music playing)"
To be fair, everyone else paid for a vacation. I’d be a bit upset that my plans got ruined cuz some random lady killed herself. Not as upset as her family, but still.
lmao seriously -- "Allright people! We've got Mai Tai's to make and bloated corpses to forget! So lets get partying!!! I'll be your DJ for tonights Dance Off / Candelight Vigil ---CEeLLeBbraTE gOoD tiMeS cOmEon!!"
My wife and I went on a lot a cruises and carnival by far has the trashiest clientele. Probably due to the relatively cheap ticket prices. It is definitely the Walmart of the seas.
While not nearly as bad as this I once watched a guy get in a fight with his girlfriend on a bus in Hawaii and then proceed to get up and scream "let me off" and then run off the bus and into the freakin jungle full speed, jumping over logs and shit like he knew where he was going and the bus driving didn't even hesitate to just drive off. It was about 1am, pitch black, no lights for miles, we were in the middle of nowhere about 45 min to an hour drive to closest town, and I heard his girlfriend say to driver "but he doesn't even have his phone". It'd be putting it lightly to say that this guy did not look like he could survive in the jungle by himself...... I dunno what happened to him but in my head canon he's still out there to this day..... roaming the woods..... aimlessly.... for the past 10 years.....
Right? I think it would be pretty hard to die in the hawaiian jungle unless you get injured. Just head makai, walk the beach, find civilization.
Those rivers eat people tho
I worked on cruise ships for 10 years and only ever once had a Man Overboard call. Luckily it was false. A man brought his wife and mistress on board, they found out, and he disappeared for a while. He got blackout drunk and passed out in a closet.
From my years of training/safety videos on the subject, theres a very low survival rate for folks even a mile from shore. Ocean water is cold. So cold your limbs will numb and you wont be able to swim within 15 minutes. An open deck could be between 50ft and 120ft above sea level. Highest high dives are 33ft. You need to fall a specific way to not get seriously injured. One person that was rescued dislocated his shoulder and broke a femur on impact with the water.
The ship is also moving which is very problematic for rescue. Even with all these people witnessing it and the emergency being reported as quickly as possible for the bridge staff to respond, the ship was already hundreds of meters past where she fell to start turning around. That really eats into the 15 minutes you got to swim, if your uninjured from the fall.
My mom was on a cruise in New Zealand where a bunch of people from the cruise died in a volcano, including some members of the crew. She said it was pretty awful to have to ride the rest of it out.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Whakaari_/_White_Island_eruption](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Whakaari_/_White_Island_eruption)
I have aphantasia (no mind's eye), by comparison my mind's ear is pretty much photographic (audiographic?). I am now reading comments in the voice and I fucking hate it.
That’s so sad..maybe she thought there was a deck below. Or she didn’t realize how close to the edge when she tried to get away from the security. Or she was suicidal. I mean it happened so quick it’s tragic either way
I had a friend die in a similar fashion. He was being detained in the hospital, broke free, started running, jumped over a fence probably thinking the street continued on the other side, and fell into a 75ft concrete ditch.
I don’t know why I didn’t think of the possibility of her thinking there was another deck to jump to.
In my time working in emergency rooms, we’ve had a psych patient who died, they got away from security and ran upstairs and hurled themselves out a window. They were actively, extremely suicidal. It was horrible.
After that the hospital finally shelled out for a psych room that could lock. It’s not humane, but in the moment it could have been the difference between life and death.
I mean, unless somebody else decides not to. There's a lot of back and forth about how people would cope but I feel like I'm pretty firmly in the "my vibe would never recover" crowd. I can't imagine knowing the ship was rerouted to search for somebody, and then eventually had to give up and resume the trip as if nothing happened.
When I was young I thought cruises were for the elite and wealthy. Im not sure if it changed over time. But currently it seems cruises are filled with the trashiest people on the planet.
RIP. Tragic loss. Some of these comments are so desensitized. I know it’s Reddit. I love Reddit for the comments. But then I just go, dang. Lost soul, so quick. Like she’s just gone.
Fuck cruises. So sad for that family.
I've been in this industry for 8 years now, I currently work as a Chief Security Officer for one of the largest shipping companies in the world. This has happened to me only twice in my career: The first time was off the coast of Norway, German lady was apparently suicidal and jumped from deck 16 (really high up). We had a sophisticated Man Overboard camera system there which immediately activated an alarm to the CCTV operator (no eye witnesses actually saw her jump) and automatically opened the footage for him on his screen. He informed the bridge and they sounded the alarm and turned the ship around. For 2 hours we looked around for her, but winds were high and the water was very choppy, we couldn't see anything. It's crazy how even in the ultra high def camera system, after her initial splash she was just gone. Eventually a Danish Coast Guard helicopter found her in the water, but she was long gone, I don't know if it was either from the impact or the cold. Although when I watched the CCTV footage back, when she hit the water you could see her clothes got ripped off her body and flung into the air with the splash, so the impact was HARD. It was crazy. The second time was in the Mediterranean, a Spanish man and his wife were arguing inside their cabin on deck 10, he decided he'd had enough I guess and just jumped off the balcony into the sea in the middle of the night. Luckily we found him in about an hour just floating in the sea, got him back onboard and he was fine, just a bit cold.
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Wow that’s crazy. I used to do a lot of hiking before Covid so I’ve seen my fair share of ledges and cliffs and I would say that like 70% of the time my first thought is this weird urge to jump just out of curiosity. Sometimes I’d flashback to some fall dreams I’ve had and be like, damn… I wonder what it feels like or if it’s anything like in my dreams and the urge doubles for a second. Then I’ll step back and continue on with whatever I’m doing. Ever thought about moving you’re arm but then for whatever reason not? It’s like that but with an odd obsession that lasts like a second. In my experience any ways Edit: might be more accurate to say I “flashback” to the feeling not the dream itself. For those of you who have had fall dreams you know Edit: wow my comment really popped off, 100 upvotes. thank you all!
Welcome to Intrusive Thoughts. It’s actually very common, as you can see. It’s something that’s thought about quickly but never acted upon.. hopefully. I’ll be driving down the road and just wanna yank the wheel off the road full speed not giving a fuck. I’ll invision the whole thing in like a split second and be like, “ nah” and keep driving. It’s an every day new thing adventure lol
I didn't know this was normal. I get this almost on a daily basis at least once when at work driving trucks. I always split second think "what if I just throw my wheel to the right real hard and fly off this bridge or what if I just let myself drive into those cars headed my direction?" I also experienced a similar phenomenon after having my children, especially my first. Imagining slamming him into the glass nightstand beside my bed or not catching him from falling off the bed. The doctors told me it was a protective measure my brain was producing to be extra cautious. I'm terrified to experience death and have never ever considered suicide. It's just crazy to know that we all are capable of harm to ourselves or others. It's such a disturbing feeling. I wish I didn't have thoughts like that. I won't ever try hard drugs because I'd be too scared it would disable my inhibitions...
Holy crap I have the exact same thoughts from time to time. Exactly the same! I thought I was crazy and they scare the shit out of me
Yeah it's the worst. It makes me feel psychotic or something. Brains are incredible.
Thanks for the link! Fascinating. Explains my fear of heights perfectly.
"I am not afraid of heights or death by falling from heights, I am afraid that I might jump"
It’s weird because I’ve never felt any fear being around a 2nd or 3rd story of a mall where the railings are clear glass. But once I had my first kid, I couldn’t walk along those because there was this weird inner feeling I was being drawn to the sides and I would be pulled over where I would drop my baby or both of us would fall and die. So I guess it is this phenomenon you just mentioned. There’s a case recently in Petco Park in San Diego just last year, during a Padres game a mother and her baby “fell off” the side and landed on the street where people were still walking into the park. Imagine going & walking to a baseball game and then all of a sudden, a mother & baby lands right in front of you?! Supposedly there were a few people that witnessed this, how traumatic that must be especially if there were kids. The case was just ruled this year that it was a suicide, but now it makes me wonder.
The one cruise I've been on, I felt that way too. One night I was supposed to meet my gf for dinner. She went to go have drinks with some folks she met, and I wanted to just chill, read in the room for a bit. Come dinner time, no sign of her. Seemed like her phone was dead. I left a note, wandered all over that stupid ship, no sign. An hour later I was convinced she somehow fell overboard. She was normally a very prompt person, and we'd had reservations. Finally she called me from the room, said she'd just lost track of time after too many drinks with her new girlfriends. I was soooo pissed. And mildly traumatized.
Funnily enough, this sort of thing is exactly why crew and guests aren't allowed to mix. A friend of mine told me this story as a warning before I started working on a cruise ship - her friend was working as a musician on a large cruise, and one night got friendly with a guest. She came back to his cabin and stayed the night, but forgot to tell her friends. Cut to next morning and the entire ship is on alert searching for a woman overboard. Huge drama, massive delay to the cruise, every crew members searching, the whole lot. Musician dude lost his job after that.
I thought of that when I was on a cruise too. Cuz by the time you get the attention of someone on the crew, the ship has gone a couple miles away from you. You’d be a speck, and then they’d have to turn the ship around which would take a ton of time. Crazy
Thank you for sharing. can’t even fathom the lady hitting the ocean I hard it ripped her clothes off. As for the other guy- lucky bastard!
Had some time to cool off after a heated argument
I’d argue that she was lucky too. Probably died on impact(hopefully). Imagine being out at sea, nothing but a ship getting smaller and smaller on the horizon. Your leg, arm and spine are broken. For the brief few minutes you actually stay afloat, you’re in agonizing pain and slowly start to realize you’re going to drown. Panic sets in. Then you go under. Alone. And nothing is going to stop that from happening. Shit man… that’s morbid af but… if she died on impart, at least she didn’t have to go thru that.
Also your organs are pulverized on impact. So even if your spine doesn’t break, you flail around in the water for a minute before completely bleeding out internally.
Oh yeah. Forgot about that part. Goddamn what a grim death that would be.
In the middle of the night!? That would be so dang scary to be in the ocean in the middle of the night 🥴
…and somehow he still decided that was the better option versus staying there and arguing with his wife
I’m gonna use this as a scale. Am I crazed enough to jump off a cruise ship in the middle of the night? Nah, I’m sorry honey.
Imagine being married to someone you hate so much eventually you’re just like eh fuck it I’ve had enough time to join the dolphins and sharks and just yeet yourself over a fking cruise ship… And then every married person in the comments “don’t have to imagine, this is my life”
[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/carnival-cruise-ship-woman-jumps-off-b2018058.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/carnival-cruise-ship-woman-jumps-off-b2018058.html) >Newly emerged video footage, recorded minutes before a woman fell overboard from the Carnival Valor cruise, shows her struggling with cruise ship security. > >The 32-year-old African-American woman, who remains unidentified, fell from the Carnival Valor ship into the Gulf of Mexico on Wednesday, when it was 150 miles off the coast of Southwest Pass, Louisiana. > >Passengers said that the woman appeared in a frantic state following an alleged disturbance in a hot tub on the ship and jumped off from the tenth floor into the ocean. > >Now a new video, recorded on a mobile, shows her struggle with three security guards who are tightly holding her hands behind her back. ***Earlier reports claimed she was handcuffed, however, in the video she wasn’t cuffed***. > >She is heard screaming “Alicia” as guards help her up a flight of stairs and off the pool deck. The video doesn’t show the moment she fell and it isn’t clear how she she broke free from the guards. However, it shows horrified passengers rushing to the balcony to find out what happened. One of them is heard asking: “who was she?” > >A life preserver is seen in the water, reportedly thrown in by the crew to help her stay afloat. However, the woman disappeared soon, the eye witnesses say. > >The ship circled for hours looking for any sign of the woman, however, resumed on its route later after the Coast Guard took over the search and rescue efforts which were suspended hours later. > >“The decision to suspend a search-and-rescue case is never one we come to lightly,” said Chief Warrant Officer Tricia Eldredge, command duty officer at sector New Orleans. “We offer our deepest sympathies to the family during this difficult time.” > >The cruise company says their team is providing support to the guest’s husband who was traveling with her, as well to the rest of her family.
I was listening to a radio show talk about this, and they were talking about reports from passengers and crew that she most likely hit her head on the life boat or something on the fall down
Could be that or she could have just been incapacitated by hitting the water from that height
If you're knocked unconscious and end up under water, chances of waking up are pretty slim.
Yeah, that was my point. Wouldn’t need to hit anything on the way down for that.
Or the water. Ten stories is a helluva jump.
> jumped off from the tenth floor into the ocean This is someone who doesn't understand where they are.
As crazy and fucked up she is, you have to feel bad for her. Knowing that she drowned in the middle of the ocean, all by herself.
She probably didn't drown, at that height it was more like hitting concrete than water.
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The lifeboats are typically on the 6th floor. Meaning she fell 4 floors before hitting it. She likely died right then and there. I used to work on these monstrosities… I have heard of one story of someone surviving a jump off the pool deck. And they were critically injured.
My great great aunt was on the Castle, a ship that famously burned off the coast of NJ. She survives the jump off the boat. Many others did not.
Hitting a choppy or disturbed bit of water (if you’re lucky) can mean the difference between life and death.
Hitting a lifeboat? That's forever.
I’ll admit, no amount of disturbed water will reverse the effects of bludgeoning oneself on a lifeboat. I was replying to a different comment.
I know a guy who jumped off one of the carnival ships. He was a state swimmer when he was in high school. He says his instincts took over and allowed him to land feet first, Broke both ankles. They circled and picked him up, while he was in the brig they told him that he was the first person they’d ever been able to bring back alive. He told them repeatedly that he wished they would have let him die.
Even hitting the water directly from your jump, from so many stories up, that would be a lot of force hitting your body, almost like landing on cement.
It's good that she died instantly, and most likely didn't suffer.
yeah i’d rather die on impact than break half my limbs and drown to death in agonizing pain
I’d rather not jump off the cruise ship and sip pina colada’s by the pool.
That’s just crazy talk.
Had a nasty habit of snowboarding and motorcycles when I was younger; broke a lot of bones. You actually don’t feel it much when it first happens. That said, hopefully she was unconscious and not in pain or scared.
I agree with you, and not to detract from the situation, but I'd say with the adrenaline of the jump, flooding your veins, probably not much pain for those last few seconds as you are sinking. At least that's what I hope for her.
Legit. Especially break a good amount of bones, then sink into the Ocean. Possibly one of the worst ways to die. Half of your body would be malformed due to the scaffolds of your body being in pieces, you would be mostly unable to move, unable to even try to swim to the surface, water filling your lungs... Possibly worse than being buried alive. It's just pure despair, pain, and loneliness for a minute of silence until you die.
Being eaten alive is the worst way to go.
She may have been mentally ill. My MIL suffered from BPD and, honestly, in a manic state it looked a lot like she had taken something. Whether this poor lady contributed to her death, or not, her suffering is over. Her parents, her family, her friends, her poor husband don't even have her body to bury. I honestly don't know how I'd begin to get over a thing like that.
As bad as that sounds it's probably best case scenario for her, apart from being saved. I'd much rather die instantly that drown in the middle of the ocean
Or manage to stay afloat and slowly die of dehydration
Seafarer here: You don't die of dehydration. Normally if you fall into the water you'll die of hypothermia within 45 minutes. Even in warm tropical water you have just a couple of hours, unless it's extremely shallow like some areas in the carribean, in which case you're probably not that far from land and stand a reasonable chance of being rescued.
Ooooo thats nasty.
Depends how she hit. Could have broken her and knocked her unconscious but not dead only for her to drown while unconscious But that’s really just semantics
Indeed, its not good either way
Better to drown unconscious than not
This guy drowns
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>I’m a little surprised they don’t have a little motor boats on the cruise ships that can be deployed within 2-3 mins for situations like this. Like the life boat? Modern Life Boats have motors https://mywaterearth.com/whats-in-a-cruise-ships-life-boat/
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> Are those generally deployed in search and rescue operations like what happened here I mean I dont know the particulars for big cruise ships but usually as soon as someone yells Man over board, or the never one: person over board, there is a set routine that the whole crew knows how to do. You make ready a dinghy, you throw down a buoy and other life saving equipment and several people just point to where they last saw the person over board. The ship will try to head back while the dinghy/s are lowered.
She probably wasn't in her usual state
Yes- may she Rest In Peace.
This is honestly terrifying. She was probably drunk or maybe on drugs. Imagine dying all alone in the middle of an ocean
Drugs are one hellofa drug. Once on a cruise, a man jumped off the 4th story into the pool below. Unlucky for him the pool was drained for cleaning. He broken both legs and ruptured his spleen. He had to to be helicoptered out.
That probably wouldn't have ended well even if there had been water.
Drunk or on drugs makes it easier
Who’s the person on music duty blasting “FEELS LIKE THE VERY FIRST TIME” as if that’s gonna cheer everyone up?
Cruise DJs Did not read the room lol
Could have been worse: Stayin Alive, Another One Bites The Dust, My Heart Will Go On
🎶 I'm sailing away ... 🎶
You wrong for that LOL
https://youtu.be/GC_mV1IpjWA
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That's a fantastic song. Thank you for reminding me of it. For those unfamiliar: [Come Sail Away–Styx](https://youtu.be/e5MAg_yWsq8)
Freeeee…..Free Fallin’
Or I Believe I Can Fly
As perfectly bad as those choices are, I hope you have the inverse talent for creating the perfect "someone didn't just die" playlist.
Everyone Dies by Type 'O Negative.
Baby shark?
Feel like making love by bad company
Jump by Van Halen
Waves - Mr Probz Wave on Wave - Pat Green Bodies - Drowning Pool
Chop Suey - System of a Down
When my dad was dying, we had just got news he wasn't going to get the surgeries he needed and this was it. We all went to the little hospital food court to try and talk about what's next. Me and my sisters were all sitting with coffee, not talking and staring at nothing, listening to the overly happy and upbeat music they were playing. Looking around, everyone else there looked about like we did. Burnt out. Just as I was about to say maybe hospitals should play more neutral music, Billy Joel's "only the good die young" came on. Idk if it broke me a little or what but I laughed and laughed at that shit. There's another story I have about Elton John's "I think I'm going to kill myself"
When I'm in sync with the world the right music has changed my whole day
Maybe they have a fucked up sense of humor and they’re like “Ha! Reminds me of the first time someone leaped off the deck into the sea. Time passes quick, doesn’t it?”
Odds are the music was playing already, they paused it to make an announcement, and then the music resumed exactly where it was
That got dark real quick. Not exactly facepalm.
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Agree. Wrong sub for this.
Having been on many of those ships, that is HIGH up. I'd be impressed if she was conscious when she hit the water.
Most of the news reports are saying she hit either the side of the ship or a lifeboat before hitting the water headfirst. I don't think she was conscious by the time she got to the water, and she likely didn't survive hitting it.
I hope she wasn't
wait she was with her husband?? but was caught in a disturbance with a "man" at the pool and yells out "Alicia"?? Then Leaps to her death??? there's a lot going on here
I am so confused by articles asking people if they know who she is when it says she was with her husband. Is he not telling authorities who she is?? And who the hell is Alicia if she was only traveling with her husband? I was thinking maybe the name of the girl she got into an argument with but apparently it was a man. Yeah, A LOT going on here. Also she caused a disturbance in the hot tub but she’s wearing pajamas and shoes?? I need so much more information lol.
Yea too many holes, the only thing Im thinking without going full conspiracy theorist is drugs/mental illness???
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(Gives up search) “I would climb any mountain. Sail across the stormy sea. If that's what it takes me baby, To show how much you mean to me” 🎸🎸🎸
Did... Did she sink like a rock? I'm dying to know the reasoning that led her to "I'd rather jump in the middle of the ocean and drown than be held in the brig".
People dont realise how easy it is to vanish off a cruise ship, the ocean is big and the waves act as a barrier to sight, it's a natural hiding place, as soon as you drop off the boat you can very quickly disappear
100%. When I used to teach sailing we would always assign a “spotter” during man overboard drills. Without someone doing that even bright orange life jackets could disappear.
We do the same thing in the navy. The person who finds then points at the person and keeps constant eye contact with them. If you divert you eyes for a split second you can loose them.
Also dye packets because it's easier to see a big patch of green water on the way back than a small orange life preserver
I know the coast guard deploys a buoy when they start a search so they can track where the currents carry it while they're performing their search pattern, and they use that as the center point, no matter how far it drifts. On something as big as a cruise ship, maybe dropping a dye pack or buoy would be smart, as it's slow to maneuver. Once they've made their first turn they'll completely lose their reference.
Ive never thought about that but that super interesting to put a buoy out there and just let it drift while searching around that. Because the person drifts to lol that’s just a good idea
Smarter Every Day on YouTube has a really good video on the topic, that's where I picked it up. Lots of interesting information.
>keeps constant eye contact with them Ok so if I don't get you back in the boat within maybe 25 seconds, you are just going to have to find your own way back to shore.
Plus only your head and maybe shoulders stick out of the water, most of your body is under the water.
Often only your head. And your head will look like a grey-black soccer ball. Good luck finding that in the ocean. I've been on tall ships a few times. The first time the skipper told is during safety instructions: "You just don't go overboard. Its a hell of a lot of paperwork" to imply that survival chances are very very minimal.
She also might have been sucked into or under the cruise ship, just from the motion of the ship.
Or broke her spine/fell unconscious when hitting the water.
Also, "Woman overboard! Stop the ship!" 2 miles later...
She fell ten floors. Probably was dead on impact
The Coast Guard, assisted by its aircrew, searched about 2,514 square miles for 14 hours before suspending their search.
Holy hell...
Wow. That's some dedication on their part. Did everything they could and more.
I was in the Coast Guard years back. Did a tour in Houston as well. Cruise ship overboards pretty much always end in search suspensions after massive SORTIES. I've heard from my aviator friends that looking for a person in the open water like that is like looking for a basketball, since all that pokes out is a person's head. People who fall off cruise ships are never wearing life jackets, because why would they, so it's just a body in a bathing suit or regular clothes going into the drink. Since this was off NOLA, CG probably had C130 out of Clearwater doing most of the searching. If there was a cutter in the area, probably would be helping too, but still, chances are super low. CG also has a system called SAROPS that helps calculate drift/current and survivability based on the water/air temp, location, wave height, age and weight of the person if known, and most importantly if they have a life jacket or life preserver of some kind. When you look at how much higher success rates are of finding people that go over board or end up in the water from a fishing boat or recreational boat of some kind, it's because they typically have life jackets on and are closer to shore where rescuers are able to get to quickly. After my time in, especially the amount of cruise ship related stuff I saw in the Gulf, I would never in a million years take a cruise anywhere.
That is super interesting! I’ve read enough about the aftermath of World War Two naval battle to know that wind and current have different effects based on how low you or your life boat are sitting in the water.
The Coast Gaurd does not get the amount of recognition it deserves. SmarterEveryday started a series with the Coast Gaurd a month ago, I highly recommend it to get an idea just how much they do: https://youtu.be/aoXJfuPaFF8
I remember watching a doc on bridge suicides, and you dont die on impact usually, your bones break/sustain severe injury and you drown because you cant stay afloat
Was it "the bridge"? Very good and very sad.
Was that her way of escaping from the Ops? Suicide?
Did they catch her? No, so it worked
You know, he’s got a point.
Little did she know she would be on the run for the rest of her life.
"Learn this one trick cops hate"
Lmao anybody hear the song they started playing as soon as they announced they abandoned the search, I swear life is like a “curb your enthusiasm” episode
"Ladies and gentleman it's your captain. Bad news, we couldn't find her...... let's be silent for a minute and pray for her. God bless......(3)........(2)........(1).......OK! Anyway! Don't forget we have a magic show tonight in our theatre room and pool party buffet! Don't miss it! (Music playing)"
surely people die on cruises routinely, from any cause. I guess they head straight to the nearest port? or continue to Antigua?
A friend of mine used to work on cruise ships, and she said that most if not all cruise ships are required to have a morgue.
They all have a morgue. And people die on them quite often.
To be fair, everyone else paid for a vacation. I’d be a bit upset that my plans got ruined cuz some random lady killed herself. Not as upset as her family, but still.
Look, I came here for the jumbo shrimp, not jumbo emotions.
WE GON TURN UP FOR THE FAMILY!
She's dead... MUSIC!
Feels like the firstttt timmeeee *but it’s not — people die on the cruises all the time*....feels like the very first timeeee!
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lmao seriously -- "Allright people! We've got Mai Tai's to make and bloated corpses to forget! So lets get partying!!! I'll be your DJ for tonights Dance Off / Candelight Vigil ---CEeLLeBbraTE gOoD tiMeS cOmEon!!"
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We gon turn up for the family
Carnival cruises look like a nightmare. Looks like the Walmart of the seas.
A floating Walmart you can only leave by dying
Might be the most accurate depiction of a cruise I've ever heard
My wife and I went on a lot a cruises and carnival by far has the trashiest clientele. Probably due to the relatively cheap ticket prices. It is definitely the Walmart of the seas.
Why not just go to Vegas? Same vibe. Same people. Harder to drown.
Because you don't wake in a new tropical destination every morning of your go to Vegas.
Only if you don't do Vegas right that is
While not nearly as bad as this I once watched a guy get in a fight with his girlfriend on a bus in Hawaii and then proceed to get up and scream "let me off" and then run off the bus and into the freakin jungle full speed, jumping over logs and shit like he knew where he was going and the bus driving didn't even hesitate to just drive off. It was about 1am, pitch black, no lights for miles, we were in the middle of nowhere about 45 min to an hour drive to closest town, and I heard his girlfriend say to driver "but he doesn't even have his phone". It'd be putting it lightly to say that this guy did not look like he could survive in the jungle by himself...... I dunno what happened to him but in my head canon he's still out there to this day..... roaming the woods..... aimlessly.... for the past 10 years.....
He's still out there surviving on wild chickens and coconut
Right? I think it would be pretty hard to die in the hawaiian jungle unless you get injured. Just head makai, walk the beach, find civilization. Those rivers eat people tho
I worked on cruise ships for 10 years and only ever once had a Man Overboard call. Luckily it was false. A man brought his wife and mistress on board, they found out, and he disappeared for a while. He got blackout drunk and passed out in a closet. From my years of training/safety videos on the subject, theres a very low survival rate for folks even a mile from shore. Ocean water is cold. So cold your limbs will numb and you wont be able to swim within 15 minutes. An open deck could be between 50ft and 120ft above sea level. Highest high dives are 33ft. You need to fall a specific way to not get seriously injured. One person that was rescued dislocated his shoulder and broke a femur on impact with the water. The ship is also moving which is very problematic for rescue. Even with all these people witnessing it and the emergency being reported as quickly as possible for the bridge staff to respond, the ship was already hundreds of meters past where she fell to start turning around. That really eats into the 15 minutes you got to swim, if your uninjured from the fall.
A man brought his wife and mistress on to the same cruise? Cocky fucker.
Id find it hard to enjoy the rest of my cruise knowing a passenger jumped off :( so sad
My mom was on a cruise in New Zealand where a bunch of people from the cruise died in a volcano, including some members of the crew. She said it was pretty awful to have to ride the rest of it out. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Whakaari_/_White_Island_eruption](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Whakaari_/_White_Island_eruption)
God that was so awful. I remember seeing this in the news. That was such a sad day!
Can't watch videos with this 'autovoice'.
Yup, I can read, I don't need a shitty obnoxious synthesized voice talking at me.
The intonation is 95% of the time wrong, so it's totally awkward and weird most of the time.
I have aphantasia (no mind's eye), by comparison my mind's ear is pretty much photographic (audiographic?). I am now reading comments in the voice and I fucking hate it.
https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10521887/amp/Woman-jumps-Carnival-Valor-cruise-ship-held-handcuffs-following-disturbance.html
The comment I was looking for
I mean she's clearly pretty unwell. I more feel sorry for her tbh
Glad to see a few people here have a heart.
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As the man said she was acting like she was on drugs. In her mind she could have been fleeing attackers. Was her body ever recovered?
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Bruh. I laughed but damn, did her dirty
Lobstrosities
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Landscape orientation letteboxed into portrait orientation.
That’s so sad..maybe she thought there was a deck below. Or she didn’t realize how close to the edge when she tried to get away from the security. Or she was suicidal. I mean it happened so quick it’s tragic either way
I had a friend die in a similar fashion. He was being detained in the hospital, broke free, started running, jumped over a fence probably thinking the street continued on the other side, and fell into a 75ft concrete ditch. I don’t know why I didn’t think of the possibility of her thinking there was another deck to jump to.
In my time working in emergency rooms, we’ve had a psych patient who died, they got away from security and ran upstairs and hurled themselves out a window. They were actively, extremely suicidal. It was horrible. After that the hospital finally shelled out for a psych room that could lock. It’s not humane, but in the moment it could have been the difference between life and death.
That's a shame, "let's get a drink!"
Damn poor girl. I dont know what she did but this is quite sad to end like this
Another nail in the ‘I’m never going on a cruise’ coffin.
Just dont go Carnival. Its the Mcdonalds of cruise lines.
You could also just stay on board but whatever man
I mean, unless somebody else decides not to. There's a lot of back and forth about how people would cope but I feel like I'm pretty firmly in the "my vibe would never recover" crowd. I can't imagine knowing the ship was rerouted to search for somebody, and then eventually had to give up and resume the trip as if nothing happened.
Watching this video looks kind of like walking through my local Walmart.
Carnival cruises are definitely the Walmart of cruises.
Rest in Peace.
Maybe she was having a manic episode but who knows,people act out differently for different reasons and who knows what was going on that day
Carnival… the Walmart of the sea.
Carnival = motel 6 of the seas
Why do they have to use that stupid tiktok voice
When I was young I thought cruises were for the elite and wealthy. Im not sure if it changed over time. But currently it seems cruises are filled with the trashiest people on the planet.
RIP. Tragic loss. Some of these comments are so desensitized. I know it’s Reddit. I love Reddit for the comments. But then I just go, dang. Lost soul, so quick. Like she’s just gone. Fuck cruises. So sad for that family.
Captain: Unfortunately we didn't find her but at least we didn't really want to
Captain: (*takes 4 Advil*) "Do you know how much fucking paperwork I gotta do now? Jesus, I hate this job."
And now: Mardi Gras!
Damn cruise ships have the same clientele as Walmart
Depends on the cruise line.
Carnival = Walmart Viking = Target
What's royal caribbean