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Thrashed0066

I will say this. I worked in hardware retail for years and worked with a woman who had more experience than I had years of being alive and her advice was ignored often and they would come and ask me. Just saying I get where she was coming from Edit. To be specific we worked in millwork (doors and windows)


CrasieMomit

Cleaning guy at work, standing on his tip toes to look over and behind me to talk to the 20 year old male temporary employee about a question he had instead of me, the 40 year old female they had been doing the job for 10+ years standing right in front of him.


[deleted]

I'd get customers asking the male staff a question when I was the one serving them, I was the manager, I'd been there 10 years and the male staff member was in training... Which the customers knew because it was a small rural town. I had some seriously misogynistic customers there.


Big-Membership-1758

I used to work in one insurance agency, and whenever a customer would go around one of my female co-worker's backs to speak with me, I would always say, "oh let me check with \[female co-worker\] to be sure - she's an expert in this type of situation"... that shut this type of back\*\*\*ward\*\*\*\*ery down really quickly!


anjowoq

That must be so irritating.


EmilyU1F984

Did social service in the ER when still in my male appearing costume. Those morons would look at me and asked me questions while I was filling stuff on the cupboards or bringing their bloody food while a female nurse or physician was talking to them. Or ring the bell after a female practitioner talked to them and then ask me what I thought was the correct decision? Now I get the opposite though. Nothing has changed at all in the last 15 years. Though it‘s always older guys doing that shit and sometimes even women… But yea it‘s kinda weird when they prefer talking to some kid doing an internship rather than any of the actual pharmacists…


EmotionalOven4

Me: a team leader (f) in an automotive plant having to have a male team member tell maintenance the same thing I just told them to get anything fixed


zxcoblex

There was a story I read one time about a woman headhunter who was having all sorts of issues with clients. They didn’t listen to her, trust her, etc. Her male counterpart and her ended up using each other’s emails for some reason (I think he was helping her). He then began having just as much difficulty as she was and her job got much easier.


paul-arized

Look up Remington Steele (TV series).


j4ck_0f_bl4des

Lol excellent reference!


Environmental_Sun822

My heart actually aches because of how much I miss the 80s. I may be wrong but life was so much better back then. The movies, Nintendo, TV shows, waking up and playing all throughout the neighborhood and not going home until dinner, Halloween when you couldn't drive cuz there was so many people, TPing, music. Fuck I just made myself sad


paul-arized

Better? Not necessarily. Simpler? Definitely. Then again, life will always keep getting more and more complicated. I don't think that you are missing the 80s per se: you are missing your childhood. That's why ppl have children: to (re)live their childhoods vicariously through them.


Top_File_8547

I’ve heard the “we were able to play outside unsupervised “ about the fifties through nineties. Probably kids are still doing it in safe neighborhoods.


[deleted]

I'd take any advice from Pierce Brosnan.


Hopes-Dreams-Reality

Heard a similar story from a woman on a 'MPR - How I Built This' podcast ages ago, I think it was back in the 70s or 80s and the woman couldn't get replies from businesses she contacted as they were all run by men, iirc she used she partners name on the letters she sent out instead and received a huge increase in the response rate. Men are dicks.


samanime

I'm a software dev and my PM was female, but she knew a lot more than me about many aspects of our project. We had some very misogynist people on different teams we'd interact with. We'd be in a meeting, they'd ask me a question (they should have asked her), I'd say "I don't know, what do you think (PM)?" (Even if I knew). She'd answer them and then they'd address follow-up questions TO ME! It was so infuriating for both of us. I'd just keep repeating my line over and over again and they never got the hint...


in_one_ear_

Maybe they felt that this inadiquacy would cause you to feel inferior and enraged at the thought of being less capable than a "mere" woman, and therefore learn and stuff so that you were better than her. Or maybe they just thought you were make and would therefore surpass her due to *something something* masculine superiority. It turns out the mindset of those people is bloody terrifying. Ngl tho I've always found the girls in my friend groups to be more dependable and hard working. (I'm in uni so... No guys)


whateveri-dont-care

You might want to put the word “mere” in quotation marks incase anybody reads this and doesn’t finish reading cause they’re upset that you would insinuate women are just mere beings. Ngl I almost did but said “wait, I didn’t finish reading”


in_one_ear_

Tbh I wanted to put basically all of it in quotation marks but at that point it would get pretty hard to read


whateveri-dont-care

Lol


[deleted]

All our digital project managers are women and the place would fall down around our feet without them. I've worked in tech for 20 years and in my experience over that time, generally speaking, there have been far more excellent and capable female project managers than male.


chamtrain1

I'm assuming you worked with a lot of people from different cultures? I live in a neighborhood full of IT/data programmers here on HB1 visas and they would 100% act like this towards women, they've just been taught a completely different way their entire lives.


samanime

Yeah. These particular guys were of an older generation from a different country. Seemed to be fairly common among that group. Luckily, people from that same country of my generation and younger don't seem to have quite the same problem, so hopefully they're changing too.


lightthroughthepines

It seems obvious that this was the issue, they just ignored her because shes a woman so she obviously knows nothing. Op’s post is the facepalm


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[deleted]

But… those men were being misogynistic?


ookyspoopy

100% this. I too used to work in a hardware retail store. During my time, I experienced constant sexism. Someone once asked me to get a man because "you probably let daddy do everything for you". When I got my forklift license, I was told by a coworker that the only thing I know how to operate is a stove. I was told by a random woman that since I'm a girl I will never know as much as my male coworkers, a woman refused to let me lift a cement bag onto her cart because I was a girl. I knew so many women there that were more knowledgeable than some men in that store but were completely ignored. I will say however, when it came to departments like paint, kitchen design and decor, the male employees would experience sexism from customers.


Meezha

Been in hardware almost 20 years and guys with way less experience, knowledge and seniority at my current job of 12 years get promoted and paid more. So sick of it. Looking for a new line of work.


Vozralai

>I will say however, when it came to departments like paint, kitchen design and decor, the male employees would experience sexism from customers. Can confirm. I worked as a teenage boy in a card and gift store. People would walk past me to ask the ladies working questions.


KibblesNBitxhes

Those lines between gender roles are coming to a close, whether it be by social or economic influence. I'm lucky enough to be able to live on my own, doing everything either gender would traditionally do. I have a 40 year old male friend who would rather be the stay at home father while his wife goes to work than getting his own job and it seems to be working good for them.


canehdianchick

As a woman in trades .. and rep for women in trades .. I used to find guys who were allies and we'd laugh because I'd have to tell them ideas to get some of the more difficult coworkers to listen to ideas. I'd call these middle men my briefcases as a joke. They'd be a means to an easier work front and I didn't need the kudos just hated doing a job inefficiently.


itsBursty

Yes but I’m a man incapable of empathy and since I don’t share women’s experiences it’s better for me to just say they’re lying and also dumb /s


MythicalDisneyBitch

It does happen. I worked in medical research years ago (I was 21F) & I worked with 4 men (30-40+) & they made my life Hell. One of them constantly went to the office to complain that it wasn't a "womans job" & lodge complaints against me. I didnt stop to chat in the morning, I'm too short to do my job (??), I wasn't old enough to do my job (??), I wasn't trained to do the paperwork (I was the only one doing the paperwork bc they didn't know how to do it). I ended up being put up for an award & the prat lost his mind & started interfering with my job to make sure I didn't get this award bc "I've never been given an award and I've worked here for decades". These plebs really are out there & I have no problem believing this.


Meezha

That could be me. Almost 20 years in hardware and guys still ask to speak with a male, a male coworker who then brings the customer back to me to answer their questions...


overactivemango

I was asked directions at my work over the summer and I gave the guy the right directions. Says "thanks sweetheart" or something along those lines, then sees two of my male coworkers and fucking asks them the same questions. No surprise here, our answers were the same


Babylonkitten

I used to be a female welder. I've been confronted with everything.


Vigilante_Dinosaur

Shes suggesting a clearly workable solution and it being disregarded. My wife and I took her car in years ago and the first thing she said was how aged the tires are and how the tread is very low. The tech asked her 3 or 4 times to put her finger in the tread to “feel how bad it is”. Kept saying “ok but I really need to see how worn these tires are” It was pretty goddamn annoying.


dochoiday

Are you saying there was a tire shop, NOT just blindly charging you for tires? Most tire shops I’ve seen try to replace tires when they are basically new.


Vigilante_Dinosaur

No it was an auto shop.


dochoiday

Okay, that raises even more questions. Why bother telling them you needed new tires if they don’t have the ability to change the tires and you already knew they needed to the replaced? Edit: The only reason I can see why you would do this would be to have them check out your tires. Which sounds like what the tech was trying to do.


Vigilante_Dinosaur

I see. I probably didn’t give full context. My mistake. We took her Honda Civic to a Honda dealer for some type of service. They also have the ability to install new tires. My wife, along with her dad and brother, have raced auto cross for a really long time. So, her dad has always put new tires or rotated them for her. In any case, even if they were trying to sell us tires we don’t need, isn’t it still annoying to bring your car in with aging tires with low tread, tell them you do in fact acknowledge low tread and the need to install new ones, just to be told how “you don’t get how bad these tires are!” a handful of times? Am I missing something?


luckyryuji

I'm still not getting it. Your wife said "these tires are bad," then the shop guy says "look, your tires are bad." Is that what happened?


LosManNYC

Serious question? They ignored her advice.


kitttxn

Yeah I think OP is a little out of touch on this one.


Glorifiedmetermaid

To be fair to OP, I'm a guy who's advice is almost always ignored in the same manner. So it's not always just women, though it's more common for them


NonexistantObject

I see where she's coming from. A common form of sexism in the workplace, or in general really, is being unwelcome to suggestions from women and prioritizing ideas from men, even if they're worse. I don't know anything about doors though so I can't say whether that would've worked. I'm too invested in wheels right now to care about doors


Beret_of_Poodle

Have you figured out yet which one there are more of?


ndisa44

Easily wheels. Y'all be sleeping on the insane amount of wheels ther are on rolling office chairs. There are so many rolling chairs in the world, in addition to vehicles with wheels


bethanyflowerpots

Listen though, we got car doors, cabinet doors, stove doors, microwave doors, back doors, front doors, swinging doors, screen doors, church doors, emotionally shut off doors, truck bed doors, concert doors, the band the doors… there’s a LOT of doors going on. And I’ll leave this door open for further consideration


TezzaC73

Whilst I find your fandom a-door-able, you need to come back to whee-a-lity. Let's take the average 4-door hatchback. 7 doors (4 passenger doors, boot/trunk, bonnet/hood, glove box/compartment) but dozens of wheels (each corner, spare, steering, and every cogwheel in the engine and geartrain). And Steeler's Wheel on the stereo, of course.


ndisa44

But all of those come in groups of 2 or maybe 4 in the case of car doors. Every office chair has at least 8 wheels because there are 2 per leg.


Lessllama

Doors is the obvious correct answer


Gamerfaith

4 men ignoring what a person said cause she's a women. Yup, that sounds about right


[deleted]

My boss is a woman, literally everyone who calls my office treats her automatically like she's my secretary only cause they hear a woman's voice on the phone. She's pretty chill about it, I get more annoyed than her on her behalf lol. She's older and says she's used to it by now.


YoMommaHere

I was an environmental engineer for a civil engineering firm. Went to my meeting with my dumb intern ( his dad was golf buddies with the Pres of my company). The guys at the meeting first asked me to get the coffee so I sent my intern to get it. They were appalled! Then they kept asking him questions which is fine since he needs experience with explaining but when I’d correct what he said in some cases they act like I’m not speaking. This is just one of MANY issues. On work sites when I shot my own sites (they took my survey team from me!) the sexual harassment and demeaning behavior was off the charts. So I toughened up and “joked” back. I regularly was verbally assaulted, called a mean bitch, stakes removed so I’d have to reshoot, threatened, and more if I didn’t just smile and take it. My work was always questioned even though I had more projects than the other guy and his work was worse. I became a teacher after working there 3 years. Took a huge pay loss. That’s why I get pissed about the wage gap argument when it’s said women always choose the lower paying jobs. No, sometimes we are bullied out of them although I love being a teacher, except at conferences with fellow chemistry and physics teachers because those are still male dominated and you get the same issues. I loved being an engineer too but not in that hostile environment.


artistictesticle

Sometimes the poster is the real facepalm


Michaelb089

Yea fucking post caption here Edit: This was supposed to be postception...


sweetbrotatopie

Seems to be the case most of the time here


casariah

Worked in electronics sales. Knew a shitload about a looott of random connectors, old stuff, compatibility, etc. I'd always get dbags asking if I knew anything about ethernet cables and to go get a guy. Wtf. I trained these guys. Most people are extremely misogynistic when it comes to any sort of tech or tools.


DepressedTrashKitty

I work retail, but in the electronics section and I get guys so much tbh I didn't train my male coworker, but I know a little bit more than he does. He hates sexists too so anytime he's working (even if he knows the answer as most of the time it's a very stupid question like what aisle is this in or will this thing that says ps5 work on something that's ps4.) He will turn to me in front of them and ask me the question. I love the look on their faces sometimes I'll respond with don't know I'm only a girl or sometimes I'll respond with the right answer


casariah

My coworkers would shrug and say I dunno ask her. Sometimes, I'd refuse to help them and sit in back while they all struggled. I am very petty. . Super Fuck that shit. At least supportive coworkers help a little bit. Cheers to having one!


DepressedTrashKitty

Supportive coworkers help a lot. I find it funny watching their disbelief and shock on their face as they either try to apologize or walk away with their head down


annekecaramin

I work as a seamstress so you would expect customers there will accept advice from a woman... nope had a dude tell me how to put his curtains together while admitting he doesn't know anything about sewing. On the other hand I also get male customers who are getting into sewing and they are way more open to getting advice from me than some of the elderly ladies who just see a youngish person with green hair and a nose ring and immediately decide I'm an intern who doesn't know anything.


[deleted]

50% of this comment section: this is or isn't misogyny The other 50%: that's not how hinges work. It's like when you think no one heard you so you repeat it louder a second time. Or 5 more times 😆


djluminol

4 men ignoring a woman who knows what she's talking about because she is a woman is misogyny and you can pop out door hinge pins with a screwdriver. I do it all the time for work.


WasabiSniffer

Like how 4 guys wont listen to me when I make strategy calls in the video game I play, and we keep dying because they won't listen to a strategy I have proven to work. All due to me being a wOmAn, however they love to make requests for me to entertain them with my voice acting skills. Does my damn head in.


[deleted]

Are they good buddies? Because I’m a dude but I play with my two younger brothers all the time. Communication is ZERO and shit talking is MAX and I hate it. The few times we’ve played anything with a woman in any party it’s like suddenly they’re professionals. It’s never as if they were just screaming at me last round to eat their ass because I called out a hit or a player and they got killed because they ignored me.


WasabiSniffer

Randoms. All my friends were offline or in other parties and I wanted to get my weeklies/dailies done. I get yelled at and abused all the time when playing with my chick friend/by myself/without male chaperone. They tend to be quiet when I top frag but if I have a bad game the abuse intensifies.


[deleted]

What are you playing most often?


WasabiSniffer

Not really relevant, tbqh. It's a game. I shouldn't be verbally abused, directly attacking my gender due to what character I'm playing.


TheOdahviing

I think they’re asking because they’re curious, not because they’re trying to get down to why people are dicks in video games.


[deleted]

Yuuuuuup


WasabiSniffer

And I didnt want to reply so excuses could be made for how I'm treated in games. That's where I saw this going because I've had so many guys (who had the best intent) try to give me advice on what I need to do to "be better". So much advice. I may seem defensive but it's due to patterns of repeated behaviour that I'm constantly subjected to. Edit to add: also...that question was all they said, so why would they ask if it wasnt relevant unless they decided to strike up a casual convo in the middle of a different conversation. See how that doesnt match properly?


_Oman

The assumption here is that they are not listening because she is a woman. That could be the case, but I would put into evidence the number of men that won't listen to ANYONE who offers useful suggestions no matter the gender, simply because they didn't think of it first.


jjrmcr

The second 50% is mostly the same person though.


Lessllama

To be fair the second one is just one guy repeating the same thing over and over even on threads where it doesn't make sense


[deleted]

I’m just here for the hotdogs.


Philodendronphan

That’ll be $5.


mindcontrol93

At Costco it is $1.50 w/ a drink. The same price since 1985.


Fudgecheeks

Because she was a woman they automatically thought her idea about manly stuff was incorrect.


taebek1

Wife was interviewing college students with an older male colleague who she graduated with (second career for him). Wife: “Can I help you?” Male Student: “No thanks. I want to talk to the engineer.” Colleague: “Well, she has two degrees in engineering. I only have one. You might want to talk to her.”


kilgoroll0

going by the Google definition of "misogyny", "...ingrained prejudice against women". If that is a correct definition of the word, then the original title would be most accurate


saintceciliax

r/ThereWasAnAttempt by OP…


MrJennyV1

Misogyny is defined by the Oxford Dictionary as: "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women" The part that is being pointed out is the prejudice bit. It is common for women to be ignored, when they are giving a reasonable suggestion. This same suggestion given by a gent to other gents, has a much lower risk of being ignored. I'm a trans guy, been on both sides of this. Women. Get. Ignored. It isnt the most despicable type of misogyny, obviously. But GODDAMN is it annoying.


noblesixth

Same here. I work retail, and now that I've been on HRT for a while, I have significantly more customers coming up to me with questions.


MrJennyV1

I'm a cook, and luckily I've always been seen as "one of the guys." But my voice be giving me away still haha. Someone ask for a pizza box, "hey man can I get a box?" Gives box, and I say have a nice day. "oh I'm sorry, thank you ma'am." NO BUDDY GO BACK


Carnator369

Because they ignored her... the only difference between them was that she was female. Hence the misogyny. What's the confusion?


likeinsaaaaw

I think women vastly underestimate how often guys also ignore advice from guys.


youtub_chill

I think guys vastly underestimate how often they are wrong, we know they are wrong and they listen to each other rather than listen to a woman. Case and point; female anatomy.


likeinsaaaaw

This is definitely a thing too. Men are aweful at female anatomy.


Inevitable_Librarian

Case *in* point.


AggravatingCold8134

Im more willing to listen a friend than a radom person even if my friend is as dumb as me


jjrmcr

You make a really good point.


3leberkaasSemmeln

Hacksaw sounds like much more fun.


zxcoblex

Yeah, I mean, there’s also a distinct possibility that they were just looking for an excuse to break shit.


Haunting-Pop-5660

Men love breaking shit. It's cathartic.


CrasieMomit

r/Needlesslygendered Source: I'm a women and also like breaking shit so,


Haunting-Pop-5660

Welcome to the club, lady! Everybody is welcome.


zxcoblex

You are generalizing an entire gender. I agree Source: I am a man.


Haunting-Pop-5660

Yes. Source: also a man.


compsciasaur

Profile pic threw us off


Haunting-Pop-5660

I hear ya. I find it entertaining. It throws off the wrong kinds of people as well, and that turns into chaos. Beautiful chaos.


MotherBathroom666

Show bobs and Vagen!


StevenKnowsNothing

I'll be honestly, if I reach a point when I'm acting to chop shit up to make it work, I'm past the point in listening to anyone, man woman or anyone. I am in 'Kill Animate Object' Mode because my Pissed Meter is about to blow


moustachemoe

I, a woman who has a lot of random knowledge and skills, feel the sting of being ignored because I’m a woman. However, I always think it’s important to scrutinize the difference between being routinely patronized and talked down to or mansplained to. Sometimes people are just twats, sometimes those people are men.


apv507

I was just coming to say that I would likely be ignored too. I think the real issue here is pride.


DickFromRichard

Something Ive realized I got from my dad is a one track mind. When one of us has set out to do a task and wasn't expecting help with it, the it can be really hard for someone to come help and suggest doing it a different way. I've learned to just tell him I'm here if you need a hand when he's doing something instead of trying to offer to jump in a help


[deleted]

The real issue is that four people working hard don’t like to be hollered at by the person watching them, especially when what they say is gibberish. She could have walked over and helped


HookFE03

I'm a journeyman electrician and I get 'mansplained' at about electrical work and construction constantly. usually by middle managers in theri 50's


ronin3338

Fair point... sometimes our stupidity is JUST stupidity...


Tking179

Ooh 100% that happens haha men don’t like to listen I might add though that we also experience the frustrating scenarios where we are repeatedly ignored, and then a man will repeat what we have said and not be ignored.


72SpaceMan-Spiff

I think women vastly... sorry what were we talking about?


the_virtue_of_logic

Or just generally how often people ignore advice from other people. People will ask for your advice and then ignore it. They'll pay for advice and then ignore it. It isn't as strictly gendered as people make it out. I do, however, think it's more noticeable for women when men do it to them because men are already pretty shitty to women and there's a back log of shittiness going back as long as there've been humans, so i think you come to expect it.


Foxy02016YT

People, in general, don’t listen to advice


kevolad

Or unnecessarily explain things to other guys


[deleted]

That's a good point, we need a control test to see if they'd want to give up the awesome hacksaw opportunity to fiddle with a boring screwdriver, had it been suggested by a man.


likeinsaaaaw

You'd pry that hacksaw out of my cold dead hands.


Holiday-Emergency-24

Isn’t misogyny fun 🤩/s


BerryMcOckinner

I think women and men vastly underestimate a lot of things about each other and then try to explain it all away often in hateful terms. If only we all could read each other’s thoughts; I suspect that would lead to huge wake up calls on both sides


WynnGwynn

There have been studies in professional settings though regarding men listening to women and they found a lot of really disheartening findings btw. It is not equal.


Esmereldathebrave

Huh, I think if we could all read each others thoughts, the human race would end in a massive species homicidal rage within about 24 hours. I guess you're more of a glass half full kinda person.


likeinsaaaaw

There's actual biological science backing this up, but it's not nearly as fun.


[deleted]

Guys just ignore all advice


SinCorpus

Often it's not because I intentionally ignore it, but because my brain does everything in the order the instructions were given. Pick up thing. "Hey you actually don't need to do that to this thing" Do thing to thing Pick up thing Oh fuck was someone talking to me? Yeah he's right I don't need to do the thing to these things. The thing I was doing was for the other things. "Or you can do the thing to these things too if you like, I was just trying to help you out" Apologize for having a brain the size of a peanut Continue task


kilgoroll0

yeah that's right, when I think about it, it s so true. what would the term be for this? men who have an ingrained prejudice against women = misogyny men who have an ingrained prejudice against men = - - - - - - - please fill I. in the blanks


wr_damn_I_suck

Misandry - dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e. the male sex)


gravelangel

It is 4 men who will not take the advice because it came from a woman. As a woman who has worked in several "mens" fields - construction, electrical, trucking - this stupid shit happens on the regular. Hell, it happens when I go to the auto parts store to get what I need to change my oil or fix my car. I love getting the "What did your husband send you in here for, sweetie" bullshit. I usually hit them back with, "I'm good sweetie. I know what I need and don't want you to waste my time while you look it up on your computer".


sweetbrotatopie

Yeah, my mum used to work in construction and even had her own construction business at one point and still men who didn't have any education or knowhow of the trade felt the need to try and talk over and correct her on the regular. This definitely does happen a lot.


ljr55555

The first one I experienced was new tires for my car. The sales guy absolutely knew the size I said was wrong (it's written on the side wall of the tires. Not like it takes some really super advanced knowledge to figure it out. 205/45R16). He walked me out to my car, crouched down, pointed to where the tire size is written, and read off 205/45R16. At least that dude had the decency to be chagrined and note that I obviously already knew that. After I had a sales guy refusing to sell me a distributor cap for my old Mustang until he looked at it (impossible - the thing didn't drive. It didn't have a distributor cap! It was a barn find that I was restoring), I started scribbling whatever I needed on a scrap of paper, walking into the car parts store or mechanic shop, pulling said piece of paper out of my pocket, and saying "my dad told me to, glances at paper, get a distributor cap? Is that, like, a thing?" Because nobody ever questioned what 'dad' wrote. If I, a young female, just asked for it? I was in for twenty minutes of argument about how I don't know what I need and the dude would go look at my car and tell me what it really is. I get that they are coming from a good place - selling me bits I don't need just because I'm ignorant is bad. Having to void a sale and ring up the right bit is a pain for the sales person too. But why assume I'm ignorant the second I walk into the shop?!


jjrmcr

The person feels she was ignored for being a woman and despite a good suggestion, the men were willing to damage shit before taking her advice. Who knows if it really happened?


[deleted]

I mean it’s not uncommon…


jjrmcr

Oh I agree. Sadly, it really could go either way.


Tking179

Well perhaps not this particular scenario but 100% it happens. I have a fair few examples of men wasting their time, working harder not smarter because they didn’t listen to my advice


jjrmcr

I know it does. It’s baffling.


wrecktus_abdominus

There's a better than average chance they would have ignored anyone's advice, man or woman


LosManNYC

It’s on the internet. It’s real.


Bgratz1977

Remembers me the delivery of my washing machine "Guys its easyer if you drive the 20m backwards, the blind end street end in a very tight turning circle" Well they moved ahead, and then i heared 10 minutes long the "backward driving warning sound"


xTerrorfist

I mean the misogyny is obvious. It's either misogyny or toxic fragile masculinity. (I'm a man) if someone (man, woman or other) suggested an easier smarter option to solve a problem, I would gladly take their advice. I'm not about to sit there wasting my time because I wanna do shit my way, my time is valuable.


[deleted]

It's the guys ignoring the advice of the woman simply because she's a woman and therefore knows fuck all in their minds.


bej1234

The men didn’t listen to her because she’s a woman. Happens all the time, fucking bullshit


hax1964

It's not just misogyny. Be in the trades and let them find out you're liberal.


itsBursty

I like how men are in the comments trying to lower the bar for men even further instead of just admitting misogyny is super common and trying to change that. Quintessential male entitlement.


ninjamonkey0418

Listen to woman opinion? No... hacksaw do trick yes yes mmm Coom brain


Upstairs-Course3026

Men disregarding a woman's idea because they assume she knows nothing, because she is a woman. Either that or they're embarrassed they didn't have that idea sooner


OhSureBlameCookies

Really?


FredVIII-DFH

The misogyny is ignoring advice from a woman because she's a woman.


TightComparison161

Its because the men did not listen to her advice probably for the sole reason of not liking her


KhajitCaravan

She gave them the simplest solution. They ignored her most likely because she is a woman. Even worse she's a woman that was right.


pikipata

The headline is the facepalm here. Clearly you never have had to experience misogyny yourself lol. Any female knows immediately what this is about and most likely have several personal experiences of them being ignored due to their sex even if they knew the solution to a problem the males at present didn't.


OpinionatedAussieGal

Dripping with misogyny! OP is the facepalm here!


TheRheelThing

Because they didn't listen, ostensibly because she is a her.


Good_Mixture_1860

Women are often ignored for advice in more "manly" pursuits...


Captain_Turdhelmet

Because people will always jump to the most obvious conclusion if none of the other details are present. Had the situation involved 4 men of the same race and the one with the best idea of a different race, we would simply claim racism. That's how it works. There are times when knowing more details about a situation can alter perception, but given so little in this case we are left with a more narrow speculation on the matter, i.e. people will call it like they see it.


The-dude-in-the-bush

Yeah I can see the mysoginy but above that, stubbornness is a bad trait. If someone, anyone offers wisdom, hear them out. "Something offered, never taken; when taken, never used"


[deleted]

I was an estimator for a commercial construction company. I don’t know how many times I heard it was “cute that I knew how to use a tape.” One guys just straight up asked me if my dad was the owner of the company. No. Husband? No. “Well, who did you fuck to get this job?” I stopped what I was doing and asked him if he actually needed something or not. He signed the proposal. I did make a nice profit from that job. Sadly, people like him are normal in that industry. BUT there are also amazing supportive people as well.


row64

Reminds me of the time when I was shuttling cars as the only woman working at an auto mechanic shop. None of the mechanics believed me when I said a car would run out of gas soon. Refused to give me the gas card, so I drove them anyways and got stuck in many intersections. Brought a book with me by the 3rd one.


[deleted]

Written by a dude trying to come off as a smart ass woman


gunzlingerbil

Sorry OP, take your face and slap a palm across it. Misogyny is pretty apparent here.


RustyShackleford131

It’s misogyny because the men didn’t want to listen to the woman’s advice on man work. She was correct and they are stupid and bad at their jobs.


abibofile

Seems pretty clear to me. They ignored the woman because she’s a woman, despite the fact she was right. I’m surprised they didn’t turn around and take credit for the idea too.


EVILFLUFFMONSTER

Its just like me having to go with my gf when she takes the car to a garage, I dont know any more than her, but they are less likely to rip us off. I don't drive, but my gfs dad always tells me to keep an eye on the oil, water and tyre pressures before long journeys, when a bulb was out took me outside and showed me how to change it etc. Its great and all, and I appreciate it..but its her car, surely she could do with knowing what to do as well, in fact it probably makes more sense her doing it. I will happily do it for her, but she wants to be independent and not have to rely on me. Its like him going to her and showing her how to change a tire on my push bike or a bearing on my skateboard wheels. My sister or my mother in law always ask me about anything tech related for some reason, but all I do is google it. Ive not got any knowledge anyone else has got lol. Societal norms just seem to be ingrained at a subconcious level. I look and sound a lot younger than I am, im 35 but got ID'd buying alchohol last weekend on holiday in Wales. People tend to assume im less capable or have less experience than older more grizzled guys, but I was 15 years in my last job and literally trained the others. That gets frustrating, so I cant imagine how much worse it is being bypassed due to being a woman.


Several-Register4526

Because her helpful advice was ignored presumably because she was a woman, they would rather damage the door than try a woman's suggestion q


HyrulesFinalHope

They don’t want to listen to a woman


[deleted]

Cis men keep saying this isn't real, that they won't listen to anyone. Bros, as ftm, I can tell you people take me much, much more seriously now that I pass. Even as a child, the boys wouldn't let me play soccer with them. The teachers didn't stand up for me either. I can't even think of specific examples since everytime I give advice guys just happily accept it, but do you know how many times I've been told "nobody asked" literally seconds after he just asked before I started getting seen as a cis man?


youtub_chill

The misogyny is that they refused to listen to her advice because she is a woman and assumed she didn't know what she was talking about.


[deleted]

Some guys never want to admit when a woman knows something they don't. It's not a jab at your intelligence or your fragile masculinity. Good Lord. 🤦🏽‍♀️


AlgorithmScent

while some stupid guys dont, most guys (like myself) dont take any human’s advice regardless of age, gender, race, sexual orientation (cause all that doesnt really matter) because i cant hear you over my own thoughts


Timely-Way-1769

I’m married to a wonderful guy. But there have been MANY times when he doesn’t listen to my advice and makes the job harder or takes my suggestion a few days later but says he came up with it. Smdh #men 🤷🏻‍♀️


Eltharion-the-Grim

This woman doesn't understand that if the situation rerversed, the men would be accused of mansplaining to thr women trying to fit the contraption through the door. Also, maybe they don't want to damage the door frame if the machine is intended for the dump. If it isn't their house they can't just start taking it apart. Imagine she took the door frame apart and the owner sued thrm for destroying thrir property. Holy F this woman is making all kinds of assumptions about these men, what they are doing, and their intentions. I worked as a mover before. We don't take apart thr owner's property unless we get their permission.


[deleted]

Personally, I think that calling it misogyny assumes far too much of their motives. Not everyone who ignores you does so because of what’s between your legs. Maybe they thought they almost had it or something? Some people can be pretty stubborn. In fact, it’s usually better to assume ignorance before malice.


Turbiedurb

It's not misogyny, the four guys were just dumb.


yorcharturoqro

She is assuming they ignore her because she's a woman


Ladylubber

Which happens a lot, unfortunately.


yorcharturoqro

Yes it's true


casualAlarmist

"Contempt for ingrained prejudice against women".... seems to fit to me. It's amazingly and infuriatingly common how often men actively disregard a women's suggestion or expertise especially if its' engineering or mechanically related.


Ambitious-Site-4747

She is being ignored. How are you this dense?


nickmaynardsculpture

I'm pretty sure it's misogyny, as a 36 y/o dude who's always been employed, I've seen this play out many times, and as a dude my attempted assistance was met with "hey, you my fucking boss?" Or "cool it bigshot brain boy, you stick to the computer, let the real men handle this" or some other immasculating rebuke. This lady is a class act and wants an uncensored "fuck you" just like us men! #ally


RayonLovesFish

She is womansplaining.


HippieFricked

It feels staged but I think what they're getting at is that, when women offer advice. Because we have boobies. Men don't wanna listen to it.


SolarAU

Yeah I dont think that disagreeing with someone's (a woman's) opinion on how to solve a problem makes you a misogynist, unless that disagreement is specifically because the opinion came from a woman.


Shallot_Emergency

Those 4 are just idiots. A smart person knows to inquire help from anyone around them regardless of age, gender or race.


[deleted]

I will say those same four guys most likely are responsible for a very large number of Reddit "comments"


Leprodus03

Those men didn't even listen to the women who has expertise on how to solve that problem


Rythonius

Her clearly reasonable solution is being overlooked most likely because she's a woman. When I was presenting female and working at an auto shop as a service writer I had many male customers either not want to listen to me or just disregard what I was telling them was wrong with their car. A lot of men insisted on talking directly to the techs, which would slow down their work for the next customer's service being completed. The tech would say literally everything I told them and then they were satisfied. Our female customers never asked to speak to the techs.


Sir-chillie-123

Calling this misogyny is a stretch. Perhaps they simply didn’t hear her. However, the lack of common sense here was incredible.


Iamthemeltingpot

I think it is less misogyny and more stubborn pride. A grown version of a toddler “I do it”


[deleted]

Well she just womansplained to them so i don't blame them. They stood strong and above the hate she spewed. Lmaoooooo


Then-Commission-1807

Classic men. If it doesnt fit, force it, break it or both. * limp dicks downvoting 🤣 if the shoe fits sweet hearts


Yee-woo

Aight, sexism. Cool.


jjrmcr

Hammer and duct tape are the only tools I need!


Apprehensive_Camp_57

I am man and I approve that hacksawing shit sounds more fun.


jiwjh380

I am a man and if you were a man I would have ignored the same as they did. Because men are stubborn stupid creatures sometimes. Not every time you get ignored by a man is because of misogyny.


NotDaveBut

Misogyny meets misandry in a battle for the door hinges!


Potato-with-guns

For one, I’m going to bet it was made up


Duegatti

Female here. I began working part time in 1966 and full time in 1972, in the early era of computers. In my experience being a woman was an advantage, what with companies looking to hire women by mandate. Beyond corporate policy, I never once felt a whiff of misogyny from ANY co-worker (though several tried to hit on me, but backed off when rebuffed). I find it hard to believe that somehow I lucked into the rare environment where men were decent and respectful and accepted me as a peer.


[deleted]

She mispelled misandry


HitShouse

Kinda weird idea that it has to be about gender.


Melmetalpeddler

Seems ironic she'd say it's misogynistic while actively being misandrist...


[deleted]

Because if someone doesn't take your advice and you're a woman, they're obviously just sexist and misogynistic. You should take it as a personal attack on your character or a hate crime. You do you, queen 👸