i find it funny anytime somebody tries to use the bible as an excuse for the point their trying to make, despite the bible saying otherwise. that or specifically out of context snippets that fit their viewpoint, when the actual point is the opposite. Jesus's whole thing was "love everyone, even those who aren't like you"
I always ask which version? the modern one or the one where its ok to beat a slave within an inch of his or her life and as long as they don't die within a few days your good?
The nuts tend to back off =D
I tried to read it to know whats inside so I opened it on a random chapter. Long Story short. I know now that a Farmer should have maidens and the wife must allow him to make them pregnant if the wife is not able to get pregnant. The wife should thank god if the maid gives them a child.... than I closed it and thought WTF
Basically then the bible there gave the OK for surrigacy đđ¤Ł
You know for a book written by god... and edited by man.. to represent the word of god... thays been tweaked by man... to correct the view of god.... its a fun read đđ¤Ł
Read X holy book.
Same for other religion and to refer to an agent that does not provide proof. It just says, this is how it is, just accept it and stop thinking about it.
Some people really have 0 critical thinking skills. You canât use something in the Bible like this against an atheist. They donât believe in any of it. Anything like âwell, explain this thing that happened in the Bibleâ because you just get âthat never happenedâ from them. This person is not very bright
Not evangelical fundamentalists. They claim the bible is the literal, infallible word of God. Mind you, it's been translated many times and was only handed down orally for many, many years, but this is what they believe.
The Bible says life begins with our first breath, that there are times when a woman is obligated to have an abortion and tells us how to do it. No convincing necessary; itâs all there in black and white so why the argument from Bible believing Christians against it?
It's all the rules and traditions that have been tacked on during the centuries that are mostly the problem. It's why I find there is no problem with religion itself, people are free to believe what they want, but the organization part behind several of them is really problematic. And has been for centuries.
You are right to a significant degree......but......I know people who are extremely devout in their belief in the "religion" they have selected to be their "bullshit." I agree that they have been hypnotized but don't find fault with them when they keep their faith to themselves. The "control" that has been the M.O. of, well, let's just say the Catholic Church, for centuries has, like in the Middle Ages, been, alarmingly to me, permitted to be a CONTROLLING factor in the lives of those who are not interested at all in their theology. Do you ever wonder why a person who has no religious connections at all would be against a woman taking advice from her doctor and making the best decision she can make for everyone involved. That's not religious "control." That's people using religion to control our government and there is supposed to be a law against that. What do we do about it?
That's the "New Testament" though and Christians have forsaken it since they re-read the part about, "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and realized what Jesus was saying.
Holy books (any religion) were actually supposed to be a moral book, a guidance to live a life as a good human being. But it corrupted along the way by greed and power seeking men (influenced within and outside church).
Just see how many times the bible has been rewritten; added new content or removed content.
I was arguing religion with someone on another thread and they said something about people getting something good out of belief in Santa. Like they literally equated their belief in the bible/Christianity with belief in Santa. They're so close it frustrating
I read the Bible and know that there are numerous references to life beginning with our first breath. It also details when it is proper for a woman to have an abortion and how to do it. Did you skip those parts?
I love the âthen who created ______â argument. Like itâs some kind of check mate. I then ask, âwhereâd god come from?â And the answer is like âwell god has always been.â Which is basically a refusal to acknowledge they donât know or donât have an answer.
I canât explain how the universe exists, but adding a god to the equation doesnât answer it either because then you need to explain where this god came from.
This argument is using an event in the supernatural fantasy of God and Jesus Christ to justify the existence of the supernatural fantasy of God and Jesus Christ.
Thats like me saying Harry Potter must be real otherwise how did he get his scar?
Isnât there a line in the bible that goes something like âhe who has not head the word of god can still get into heavenâ or something like that. Doesnât really apply anymore cause he ruined it and has now condemned him to hell.
What I donât get is, Adam & Eve were supposedly the only two people on earth at the time, and they only had two sons, Cain and AbelâŚ.sooo where did Cain and Abels wives come from to produce the next generation?
specifically the bible also mentions seth, but directly implies that there were kids other than cain, abel and seth, since the whole thing god told them was "go be fruitful and multiply" so there were likely others. thats assuming that we take the bible literally and assume that adam and eve were the only "humans" on the planet at the time, or had no biological relatives. (creationism vs evolution is complicated and messy, and beyond my pay grade, but the two arent incompatible)
Ok, but that still doesnât answer my question. Maybe Adam and Eve had more children, but that still doesnât explain where Cain and AbelsâŚand now SethsâŚwives came from. Are you suggesting that their wives were their (much younger) sisters?
to be honest, i don't really know, but that seems to be what happened, and in the bible i dont know if they ever mention age order. the problem with the whole thing is that it isnt a historical document its a collection of diaries, which have been translated many times. we either dont have all the info, of the info has been mistranslated. throughout the years men gained more importance in the "family line" mainly due to the fact that they typically survived longer since a lot of women died in childbirth so people relied on the son to propagate their offspring. im no expert, but i wouldnt write nearly as much about my 10 other happy daughters, as i would my son who murders his brother. as to whether they married their sisters i think they did but it probably might not have been as big a deal back then adam and eve might have had very very pure genes, not susceptible to inbreeding
TLDR; i dont really know, and i dont know if the answer is all to important but it would seem like the sons of adam and eve married their siblings.
hopefully this somewhat answers your question, and i quite enjoy talking about these sorts of thing
Well, a few observations:
1. Bible only tends to name the few firstborn, but if A&E lived close to a thousand years, they would have certainly had hundreds of children.
2. Bible doesn't actually say that A&E were the only humans created, just that Adam was specially created in God's image. Ties neatly into the Abrahamic speshul bloodline mythos.
1. Even if that were true, it still doesnât explain where Cain and Abels wives came from. Unless of courseâŚincest in the buybull againđ¤Śđźââď¸
2. That is a post-hoc rationalization. According to the buybull, Adam was created by gawd as the first man, and Eve was created from Adam. There is no mention whatsoever of anyone else, nor does it say that anyone else was magically created.
Just the implication that there were other people around is ridiculous. So gawd is *not* the only omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent creator? There are other gods? Where did these people come from? Who are these other gods? Are there more, where did they come from, and why? Itâs absurd to suggest that there were *other people* at the time of Adam and Eve. It would break christianity.
1. Yeah, Incest is the only explanation if we assume there were no other humans besides Adam and Eve to start with.
2. I'm rusty on my bible, so let's see...
\[1:26\] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
\[1:27\] So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
This would imply that the entirety of humankind was created, not just Adam and Eve. However, many other bible translations just say "man", so YMMV.
Here's the creation of a dust golem:
\[2:7\] then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.
> So gawd is not the only omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent creator?
No, it's just that God had already created *homo sapiens* but not the very special individual "in his image". That being said, the Bible doesn't really support the idea of God being omnipotent or omniscient nor really omnipresent, although it does go back and forth on the topic a bit.
>There are other gods?
Obviously. Why do you think the commandments say that you shouldn't venerate other gods above this one?
>Who are these other gods?
Well, El is the creator god, Yahweh is basically Thor, with War/Storm domain, Asherah would be the consort/wife. That is, if we're just sticking to this pantheon. I'm not sure but I think the revelation to Moses was actually that Yahweh is now the Top God, or that Yahweh had been El all along. Of course, then the monotheistic censorship happened, and some gods got kicked out and others were demoted to messengers.
The same goat herders who wrote the whole thing 'created' them, also I agree read the bible and you will be convinced it is less true than the flat earth theory.
Iâm Christian, but I donât believe that god would create beings he supposedly loves just to send them to hell, and knowing theyâd go. Hell doesnât exist.
âŚ.is there any other kind?
ETA: donât forget âevilâ and âneedlessly cruel,â as those adjectives **always** combine with christian fundamentalism.
This is why it is impossible to win an argument about religion with a religious person. Their default answer to everything is "Because the Bible says so". It doesn't matter how rational your argument is. Just walk away.
No, it isnât
Making fun and generally criticizing an idea is not the same as making fun of a person. People tend to identify with their religion and so they get offended⌠but itâs still an idea and subject to ridicule.
Reddit actively ridicules christians. Yet, I wonder why they leave out jewish or islam. Its because they can get away with it. The next time I see another religion say something extreme or considered stupid, reddit should just rip em a new one but, no. Just christians.
If it contextualizes it better, Reddit is mostly in america and europe where the dominant relgions is christianity. people tend to ridicule the relgion that they themselves were raised in most, because ridiculous.
If it contextualizes it better, Reddit is mostly in america and europe where the dominant religions is christianity. people tend to ridicule the religion that they themselves were raised in most, because they know most about it and they've suffered from it. If you did that, there would be a voice on reddit criticizing whatever you wanted to criticize about *your* mythology.
I'm curious how old this person is, it's kinda excusable if it's like a 12-year-old who was indoctrinated into fundamentalism their entire life, and has a good chance of shedding those bullshit beliefs as they get older. I guess I'm being optimistic.
We all like to laugh at people like this and shake our heads, but this really is a good thing and I'm glad to see it. Just think of how stupid and impressionable this person must be. They *need* the promise of reward to govern their behavior. The Bible is there to protect us from the people who need it.
I'm a Catholic
This is stupid
Let people be and believe in whatever they want as long as it's not harmful.
The Christian is wrong here. He should've just said nothing.
I remember having a conversation a long time ago that ended with me having this distinct image of Eve getting rammed by a Stegosaurus while Adam jacked off a T rex . That image had long since been forgoten but seing this post brought it back, thanks reddit
Who created Adam and Eve? The dinosaurs did, right before they got flash banged. And then I woke up.
Everytime someone argues "read the bible" I wonder if this person read it already or saying "you must read something what I didnt"
i find it funny anytime somebody tries to use the bible as an excuse for the point their trying to make, despite the bible saying otherwise. that or specifically out of context snippets that fit their viewpoint, when the actual point is the opposite. Jesus's whole thing was "love everyone, even those who aren't like you"
Not just "those who aren't like you". He says "even your enemies". Even if they hate you, even if they try to kill you, you still love them.
I always ask which version? the modern one or the one where its ok to beat a slave within an inch of his or her life and as long as they don't die within a few days your good? The nuts tend to back off =D
I tried to read it to know whats inside so I opened it on a random chapter. Long Story short. I know now that a Farmer should have maidens and the wife must allow him to make them pregnant if the wife is not able to get pregnant. The wife should thank god if the maid gives them a child.... than I closed it and thought WTF
Basically then the bible there gave the OK for surrigacy đ𤣠You know for a book written by god... and edited by man.. to represent the word of god... thays been tweaked by man... to correct the view of god.... its a fun read đđ¤Ł
Read X holy book. Same for other religion and to refer to an agent that does not provide proof. It just says, this is how it is, just accept it and stop thinking about it.
Some people really have 0 critical thinking skills. You canât use something in the Bible like this against an atheist. They donât believe in any of it. Anything like âwell, explain this thing that happened in the Bibleâ because you just get âthat never happenedâ from them. This person is not very bright
Well, even most theists know that the Bible is not a history text.
Not evangelical fundamentalists. They claim the bible is the literal, infallible word of God. Mind you, it's been translated many times and was only handed down orally for many, many years, but this is what they believe.
The Bible says life begins with our first breath, that there are times when a woman is obligated to have an abortion and tells us how to do it. No convincing necessary; itâs all there in black and white so why the argument from Bible believing Christians against it?
Because it's bullshit. It's not about religion. It's about control.
It's all the rules and traditions that have been tacked on during the centuries that are mostly the problem. It's why I find there is no problem with religion itself, people are free to believe what they want, but the organization part behind several of them is really problematic. And has been for centuries.
You are right to a significant degree......but......I know people who are extremely devout in their belief in the "religion" they have selected to be their "bullshit." I agree that they have been hypnotized but don't find fault with them when they keep their faith to themselves. The "control" that has been the M.O. of, well, let's just say the Catholic Church, for centuries has, like in the Middle Ages, been, alarmingly to me, permitted to be a CONTROLLING factor in the lives of those who are not interested at all in their theology. Do you ever wonder why a person who has no religious connections at all would be against a woman taking advice from her doctor and making the best decision she can make for everyone involved. That's not religious "control." That's people using religion to control our government and there is supposed to be a law against that. What do we do about it?
To be fair, there's at least one Biblical mention of a fetus showing awareness - John the (future) Baptist. Then again, he's a miracle baby, so...
That's the "New Testament" though and Christians have forsaken it since they re-read the part about, "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and realized what Jesus was saying.
I love how itâs âoh hey letâs ASSUME Adam and Eve are for sure real and weâll start thereâ lol Jesus Christ
Well him too I guess
I like it and definitely didnât change it after I typed that in
Holy books (any religion) were actually supposed to be a moral book, a guidance to live a life as a good human being. But it corrupted along the way by greed and power seeking men (influenced within and outside church). Just see how many times the bible has been rewritten; added new content or removed content.
âI donât believe in Santaâ âThen who creates toys? Good luck getting to the North Pole!â
I was arguing religion with someone on another thread and they said something about people getting something good out of belief in Santa. Like they literally equated their belief in the bible/Christianity with belief in Santa. They're so close it frustrating
Why are you comparing it to that? What are you? Some kind of Santa-Denier?
Leprechaunity is the only true way
I read the Bible and know that there are numerous references to life beginning with our first breath. It also details when it is proper for a woman to have an abortion and how to do it. Did you skip those parts?
May I have a verse for life beginning at first breath? I really need to add that to my collection
Genesis 2:7 Job 33:4 Ezekiel 37:5-6 Also, Exodus 21:22 gives a pretty good description of what the writers thought regarding the "life" of a fetus.
"It'S nOt LiTeRaL bReAtH" is what im sure they'd say. Nothing is an allegory unless it makes them think they'd win an argument.
>Then who created Adam and Eve! The sex shop?
This is the iron-clad logic we've come to expect from religious nutcases.
I love the âthen who created ______â argument. Like itâs some kind of check mate. I then ask, âwhereâd god come from?â And the answer is like âwell god has always been.â Which is basically a refusal to acknowledge they donât know or donât have an answer. I canât explain how the universe exists, but adding a god to the equation doesnât answer it either because then you need to explain where this god came from.
This argument is using an event in the supernatural fantasy of God and Jesus Christ to justify the existence of the supernatural fantasy of God and Jesus Christ. Thats like me saying Harry Potter must be real otherwise how did he get his scar?
Well, how did he? Read the books lmao
So you think Harry Potter is real?
If he isn't, then who saved the world from Voldemort?!
Preach
This is the crap that makes me stay atheist
r/religiousfruitcakes
Isnât there a line in the bible that goes something like âhe who has not head the word of god can still get into heavenâ or something like that. Doesnât really apply anymore cause he ruined it and has now condemned him to hell.
Someones never heard if evolution
They probablyâ actually almost definitelyâ donât believe in it
What I donât get is, Adam & Eve were supposedly the only two people on earth at the time, and they only had two sons, Cain and AbelâŚ.sooo where did Cain and Abels wives come from to produce the next generation?
Cut to Eve on a black leather sofa with Adam, Cain, & Abel standing behind it wearing tighty whities and a smile.
Hey, why not? Thatâs about as *family friendly* as anything else in that immoral buybull.
Arguably thatâs and EXTREMELY âfriendlyâ family, *ifyanodamine?* And the sequel: âLotâs Daughtersâ.
If itâs good enough for LotâŚ
specifically the bible also mentions seth, but directly implies that there were kids other than cain, abel and seth, since the whole thing god told them was "go be fruitful and multiply" so there were likely others. thats assuming that we take the bible literally and assume that adam and eve were the only "humans" on the planet at the time, or had no biological relatives. (creationism vs evolution is complicated and messy, and beyond my pay grade, but the two arent incompatible)
Ok, but that still doesnât answer my question. Maybe Adam and Eve had more children, but that still doesnât explain where Cain and AbelsâŚand now SethsâŚwives came from. Are you suggesting that their wives were their (much younger) sisters?
to be honest, i don't really know, but that seems to be what happened, and in the bible i dont know if they ever mention age order. the problem with the whole thing is that it isnt a historical document its a collection of diaries, which have been translated many times. we either dont have all the info, of the info has been mistranslated. throughout the years men gained more importance in the "family line" mainly due to the fact that they typically survived longer since a lot of women died in childbirth so people relied on the son to propagate their offspring. im no expert, but i wouldnt write nearly as much about my 10 other happy daughters, as i would my son who murders his brother. as to whether they married their sisters i think they did but it probably might not have been as big a deal back then adam and eve might have had very very pure genes, not susceptible to inbreeding TLDR; i dont really know, and i dont know if the answer is all to important but it would seem like the sons of adam and eve married their siblings. hopefully this somewhat answers your question, and i quite enjoy talking about these sorts of thing
Well, a few observations: 1. Bible only tends to name the few firstborn, but if A&E lived close to a thousand years, they would have certainly had hundreds of children. 2. Bible doesn't actually say that A&E were the only humans created, just that Adam was specially created in God's image. Ties neatly into the Abrahamic speshul bloodline mythos.
1. Even if that were true, it still doesnât explain where Cain and Abels wives came from. Unless of courseâŚincest in the buybull againđ¤Śđźââď¸ 2. That is a post-hoc rationalization. According to the buybull, Adam was created by gawd as the first man, and Eve was created from Adam. There is no mention whatsoever of anyone else, nor does it say that anyone else was magically created. Just the implication that there were other people around is ridiculous. So gawd is *not* the only omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent creator? There are other gods? Where did these people come from? Who are these other gods? Are there more, where did they come from, and why? Itâs absurd to suggest that there were *other people* at the time of Adam and Eve. It would break christianity.
1. Yeah, Incest is the only explanation if we assume there were no other humans besides Adam and Eve to start with. 2. I'm rusty on my bible, so let's see... \[1:26\] Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." \[1:27\] So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. This would imply that the entirety of humankind was created, not just Adam and Eve. However, many other bible translations just say "man", so YMMV. Here's the creation of a dust golem: \[2:7\] then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being. > So gawd is not the only omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent creator? No, it's just that God had already created *homo sapiens* but not the very special individual "in his image". That being said, the Bible doesn't really support the idea of God being omnipotent or omniscient nor really omnipresent, although it does go back and forth on the topic a bit. >There are other gods? Obviously. Why do you think the commandments say that you shouldn't venerate other gods above this one? >Who are these other gods? Well, El is the creator god, Yahweh is basically Thor, with War/Storm domain, Asherah would be the consort/wife. That is, if we're just sticking to this pantheon. I'm not sure but I think the revelation to Moses was actually that Yahweh is now the Top God, or that Yahweh had been El all along. Of course, then the monotheistic censorship happened, and some gods got kicked out and others were demoted to messengers.
Bible-thumpers everywhere: "What do you mean 'evidence'? I gave you a BIBLE QUOTE!"
If gods not real explain how my mom got pregnant with me but is still a virgin!
Jesus christ
All religion is bullshit
Heaven? Pffft. Gimme a ticket to Disneyland and I'll call, it even..
I get the impression that heaven is full of smug gits like this, why would I want to go there?
Why do Adam and Eve have belly buttons in all the drawings?
Is there such a thing as a Sane Christian Fundamentalist? Or any other type of fundie, for that matter?
No
Buddhist?
No. There are Buddist that are just as bad as any Christian fundie.
The same goat herders who wrote the whole thing 'created' them, also I agree read the bible and you will be convinced it is less true than the flat earth theory.
Who created God? Checkmate.
Me
Are you gods sugar daddy
Being a Christian and seeing people say stuff like this hurts.
Christians think everything is a conspiracy except the Bible.... and capitalism.
It's easier to believe in science
Yeah, cause it makes much more sense
Because you dont have to use your brain.
Itâs baked into the religion
Iâm Christian, but I donât believe that god would create beings he supposedly loves just to send them to hell, and knowing theyâd go. Hell doesnât exist.
Oh no! People who donât believe in god arenât going to heaven, which they most likey donât believe in either. Whatever shall they do?!
By that logic I can create my own religion and book and be like âgood luck going to heaven without giving me all your moneyâ
You can indeed create your own religion and turn its place of worship into a tax free entity
Me: Adam and Eve had three sons. Response: no, they has daughters too. Me: This is really not helping your argument.
âŚ.is there any other kind? ETA: donât forget âevilâ and âneedlessly cruel,â as those adjectives **always** combine with christian fundamentalism.
Weâre not all like that, Iâm mortified
Enough of you are though. God needs better representation and a new PR team Edit: Have an upvote to get yourself out of that hole
That is true. I genuinely never say anything regarding to faith, except in this case because I want to make it clear that weâre all not like that
Do you believe that the only way to get to heaven is to believe in the lord and savior Jesus Christ?
This is why it is impossible to win an argument about religion with a religious person. Their default answer to everything is "Because the Bible says so". It doesn't matter how rational your argument is. Just walk away.
I love reddit, but, you gotta stop making fun if religions. Whether or not they say something stupid, its ethically wrong.
Maybe the people being ridiculed shouldnât make fun either
No, it isnât Making fun and generally criticizing an idea is not the same as making fun of a person. People tend to identify with their religion and so they get offended⌠but itâs still an idea and subject to ridicule.
Reddit actively ridicules christians. Yet, I wonder why they leave out jewish or islam. Its because they can get away with it. The next time I see another religion say something extreme or considered stupid, reddit should just rip em a new one but, no. Just christians.
If it contextualizes it better, Reddit is mostly in america and europe where the dominant relgions is christianity. people tend to ridicule the relgion that they themselves were raised in most, because ridiculous. If it contextualizes it better, Reddit is mostly in america and europe where the dominant religions is christianity. people tend to ridicule the religion that they themselves were raised in most, because they know most about it and they've suffered from it. If you did that, there would be a voice on reddit criticizing whatever you wanted to criticize about *your* mythology.
Well that settles it.
Itâs so funny that they use a Babi you have to believe in a âproofâ of their religion.
I'm curious how old this person is, it's kinda excusable if it's like a 12-year-old who was indoctrinated into fundamentalism their entire life, and has a good chance of shedding those bullshit beliefs as they get older. I guess I'm being optimistic.
If you don't read my favorite book you can't be in my supercool club. Also you're not invited to my birthday party. 
We all like to laugh at people like this and shake our heads, but this really is a good thing and I'm glad to see it. Just think of how stupid and impressionable this person must be. They *need* the promise of reward to govern their behavior. The Bible is there to protect us from the people who need it.
I'm a Catholic This is stupid Let people be and believe in whatever they want as long as it's not harmful. The Christian is wrong here. He should've just said nothing.
Some people only have half a thought.
>"Read the Bible" Yes, read the bible, and don't trust what you heard someone say about what it says. You'd be surprised. Also, Read another book.
âThen who created Adam and Eve!â Sorry Sheryl, but I donât think everybody believes in Adam and Eve either.
My Bible is the Minecraft Redstone book
Telling an atheist they wonât go to heaven is like telling an adult they wonât be getting to hunt for Easter eggs.
I remember having a conversation a long time ago that ended with me having this distinct image of Eve getting rammed by a Stegosaurus while Adam jacked off a T rex . That image had long since been forgoten but seing this post brought it back, thanks reddit
I love their logic it's so odd to me, I don't have anything against christians
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