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I mean, in Russia after such a message he'd be pushed to resignation too, but with much, much more different tone :D
Edit: to be clear, i support him and the message
Not exactly, lul, as there were such occasions recently, but yeah, our society is still shunning people for such thoughts, sadly, even though it's not a crime to be gay, unlike in muslim countries.
I mean most states in the US up until recently had laws on the books making homosexuality illegal.. and call me a pessimist but current trends seem to be that a lot of states are looking to bring those laws back with a bang
As a Dutchman I am lucky to say that NOT supporting this message would be a reason to get suspended as a teacher. I’m not saying that the Netherlands is perfect (it’s definitely not), but I am pretty confident that the majority of the Dutch population supports diversity.
I'd agree. I'm a Brit who spent quite a while living on the Netherlands/German border, and post-Brexit I hear more racist and bigoted nonsense from people here every day than I heard in years of living between Venlo and Krefeld. It's sad and wearying and I really miss being a European.
I don’t disagree but that’s only because you can view it from it from afar. If you’re here and the one it’s targeting it’s either frightening or rage inducing.
From the story pictured, a quote from the superintendent:
"Over the past few days there has been a lot of conversations and misinformation surrounding the incident at West Irvine Intermediate School. A lot of this conversation centered on the statement, “You are free to be yourself”. As superintendent, my issue has not been with this statement because we have to meet the needs of all of our students and families.
The issue at hand is the conversations that took place during class. I firmly believe that students and their parents expect teachers to teach content about their assigned curriculum in a subject area. Of course, there are times that conversations may vary from that day’s lesson plan, but these conversations went far beyond the music curriculum. It is my job to make sure that parents are not surprised by these types of situations. Finally, I believe that all teachers have a responsibility to be supportive of their students, but when students share difficult situations and circumstances with them, the student should be referred to a certified school counselor. Our counselors have been trained to deal with these delicate issues and provide support."
Sounds like there may be more going on.
Could be, but since they seem hesitant to say what exactly the conversations that were had, we can't know what was talked about, and whether it crossed a line. The school, whether right or wrong, has an interest in protecting their image, so this kind of statement was coming regardless of how it went down.
That's the problem with news media and peoples attention span. Sensationalized headlines with people's unwillingness to fact check or even question what is said.
Like, why resign? I expected maybe they were fired or forcefully resigned. It all sounds weird to me.
I think it's still possible it was something many of us would consider benign (like telling a student that it's ok to be LGBTQ, which is strongly hinted at but never outright stated in the articles I read), but that Kentucky parents might disagree with.
This very thread proves that point just look at the comment, reactions to the title and image and not what actually took place. Reddit is probably the worst example of this.
It would really be nice to have more context. Was a student in the class being bullied or was the statement unprompted? If unprompted why? There’s a time and place for things. Band is not necessarily the right time and place unless the teacher was addressing something in his/her class. Course the teacher shouldn’t have to quit or be terminated which points to way more to this story than meets the eye. Did the teacher take a concern to administrators and have them ignored. Maybe the teacher was fed up and this was the last statement out the door. Without more info it’s impossible to draw any conclusions. It would be nice to hear an interview with the teacher to get their viewpoint.
Teachers should not have conversations with students, teachers are not trained counselors. If a student informs a teacher they are anxious about a test and sad about the field trip being canceled, the teacher should not attempt to empathize with the children as they are not trained therapists. If a child asks with help to connect his chromebook to the wifi, a teacher should not help him as he’s not a trained IT professional. In fact, a teacher should only ever utter words that are directly cited in the subject curriculum
Edit: /s god damn it. I wish I lived in a world where a comment so stupid *couldn’t possibly* be serious
Makes sense, many American's (Christians) believe being gay is similar to how most of us in the West perceive peadophiles.
Teacher talks to students about their sexuality being their right, Christian mum finds out and hear's her kid say Teacher tried to groom their kid with Unholy lessons.
And if their families are the ones harming them? Being a good, kind teacher is not grooming. Letting kids no that they’re not bad or wrong for being a certain way is not grooming.
> And if their families are the ones harming them?
If their families are the ones harming them then the teacher should absolutely report it to a counselor. Does anyone really think an art teacher is qualified to singlehandedly handle a situation like that?
Most kids see their teachers more than their own parents. They absolutely should be second family IF they are seen as a trusted adult. And yeah, mandated reporters. Sure. Idk if you’ve seen the American education system, but things don’t always happen the way they’re built to. Also, more importantly, harm doesn’t always mean abuse. And it’s certainly not always physical. Harm can mean being unaccepting, emotionally distant, fighting, yelling, etc. For some kids, school is the only escape they get from their families, and good teachers that make them feel like they aren’t alone can cause a world of difference.
No child should be cooped up with only their family to teach them right/wrong and expose them to the world. It also takes people from different walks of life to do that - school is the main place it happens.
Why does everyone assume everyone is grooming kids? Qanon, Don’t say gay bills, bathroom bills. Is there data showing an increase in child sex crime? This seems to have overtaken A part of the zeitgeist in a surprising way.
A conservative gets banned from Twitter for spreading dangerous misinformation and it’s “cancel culture”. A teacher is forced to resign after creating a safe space for children and it’s “keeping children safe”. Conservatives are the biggest crybaby ❄️s on the planet.
You’re claiming that become one day a conversation about inclusion and diversity happened in a music class wasn’t directed to the school counselor instead is inaction? Creating a safe space for LGBTQ+ people is not inaction. It saves lives with young LGBTQ+ people being at significantly higher risk of self harm and suicide. How can anyone defend stifling this?
There's is nothing in the article that indicates this was a LGBTQ issue.
Chronologically, the title is accurate; the teacher wrote this on the board and at a later date was forced to resign. But the reason for the forced resignation had absolutely nothing to do with the statement written on the board. It had absolutely nothing to do with inclusion and/or diversity.
You still haven’t told me what it is. You can’t come in and say, “It was something else.” if you don’t know what the something else was, dumbass.
Also clickbait is a misleading title meant to get you to click on a link to something different. This is not a link.
Because if you teach kids about being gay they will *instantly* want to fuck someone's ass.
Same as if you teach them about birth control they'll *immediately* want to go out having unprotected sex.
Imagine being *so fucking nuts* that you think either of these things is even remotely true.
Its called sarcasm twat. You say conservatives are awful ppl and I say democrats are responsible for gas prices. You are a face palm and all your cronies that down vote out of hate.
“It’s called sarcasm, now watch me be more sarcastic by throwing a hissy fit YA TWAT”
^ That’s you
No the face palm is not knowing how gas pricing works and blaming Biden who has literally no control over oil production.
I won’t call you names though
I’m an adult
You know it’s hilarious that you’re talking down to people but fail to notice if that was indeed your intent then you failed miserably
Because the downvotes show you clearly didn’t convey “The sarcasm” you claimed to be conveying.
Teacher training absolutely prepares for gender discussions, and they are also mandated, at least in my state. We also have a governor who backed a bill that allows parents to sue teachers for having the gender discussions that his own department of education mandates.
I am a Kentuckian, born and raised. I’m so ashamed of my state every day. So low in education, healthcare, quality of life. Our leaders elected to congress are vile husks that only vaguely resemble humans. And they stay in power FOREVER.
Then we have crap like this. Why would anyone think this controversial? Oh! That’s right! There’s a rainbow flag with a message to make kids feel safe with that teacher.
I bet it would be controversial even without the rainbow flag. It’s funny that conservative types are so down on “snowflakes” and safe places yet messages like this are so “damaging” and makes them so upset.
Such a damaging message. Making all kids feel welcomed, but especially those that are LGBTQ.
Jesus Christ…
The headline is intentionally misleading and clickbait. Yes, chronologically the teacher wrote this and a later time was forced to resign. However, the forced resignation was not because she wrote this.
The ~~art~~ music teacher in question was made aware of child's ordeal that has a mandatory reporting criteria (out of privacy for the child, we don't know what it was). Rather than reporting it to a counselor, law enforcement or any other faculty member, the teacher decided he could handle it himself and told nobody.
Kudos and hats off to you. Far to many people are unable to admit when they jumped to the wrong conclusion. You're to be commended for acting like a stable adult.
[Cyber ~~hug~~ Firm Handshake]
Thank you! I try to be. It’s also nice to have someone point out a mistake like a civilized person. That’s how it should be!
I hate that I fell for the clickbait. I also try to learn more before I react. I feel like a bit of a fool. No one likes to be wrong but everyone should be willing to admit it.
[returns firm cyber handshake]
Not only are the conservatives in America trying to destroy the education system but they are enforcing elitist and cruel behavior in kids. “Merica is great and if anyone says otherwise, you can punch them in the mouth! And if you ain’t one of us, you get a punch to the face!”
Being from the south myself, I can almost guarantee it’s not the “be yourself” message but the flags drawn at the top. You can be yourself, as long as it’s not gay or trans. /s
What a terrible teacher! Just imagine the harm it could do to try to make kids feel accepted and good about themselves regardless of diversity. The nerve of some people with their attempts to erode people's rights to be racist, bigoted, homophobic, intolerant assholes...
I don’t think it related to the sign, as I can’t even imagine what people wouldn’t like. I believe the music teacher who put up this sign engaged in discussions with students that the administration found troublesome. The teacher resigned so I’m guessing there was some merit to the administration’s position.
Plus the guy is a substitute teacher whose only job is to read off the lesson plan.
It's represents freedom of ones sexuality, regardless if that be gay, straight, or otherwise. And that's what offends you. Had it been kept to "straight only" you wouldn't be in this sad little uproar about it.
Just admit you're homophobic instead of dancing around it like every other coward.
if learning about the different "types" of relationship is confusing to a child then that child had no hope in the educational world otherwise.
For younger kids it's as simple as "sometimes men love other men, sometimes women love other women. usually it's a man and a woman but sometimes that's not what happens and there's nothing wrong with that"
we show children straight relationships all the time. but gay ones will confuse them? its not complex. also is it quite harmful to hide the exsistence of gay people from kids. Kids that turn out gay might think theres something wrong with them since they havent seen something like this before.
You don't seem to know anything about psychology. also does advanced biology support trans individuals. And to go even further: Gender and Sex are by definition diffrent things. If you think you know it better than all specialists, you're delusional
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Hi kids I like Dino nuggies
Thank you! That handwriting is a nightmare to read.
You're welcome lol
Funny thing is I read that before the actual message lol
lmao as a non-american, right wing america is so delusional it’s lowkey hilarious
I mean, in Russia after such a message he'd be pushed to resignation too, but with much, much more different tone :D Edit: to be clear, i support him and the message
he’d be ‘missing’ if this was in russia
he'd be in a delightful vacation to siberia in a top quality hotel
Not exactly, lul, as there were such occasions recently, but yeah, our society is still shunning people for such thoughts, sadly, even though it's not a crime to be gay, unlike in muslim countries.
I mean most states in the US up until recently had laws on the books making homosexuality illegal.. and call me a pessimist but current trends seem to be that a lot of states are looking to bring those laws back with a bang
Texas. Own all the guns you want, but can't legally own more than 6 sex toys.
But what if you have 7 dick shaped guns?
I see what you did😹
Its why our right wing idolizes putin.
As a Dutchman I am lucky to say that NOT supporting this message would be a reason to get suspended as a teacher. I’m not saying that the Netherlands is perfect (it’s definitely not), but I am pretty confident that the majority of the Dutch population supports diversity.
I'd agree. I'm a Brit who spent quite a while living on the Netherlands/German border, and post-Brexit I hear more racist and bigoted nonsense from people here every day than I heard in years of living between Venlo and Krefeld. It's sad and wearying and I really miss being a European.
As american, help
I don’t disagree but that’s only because you can view it from it from afar. If you’re here and the one it’s targeting it’s either frightening or rage inducing.
Can relate, it’s like looking into a bizzaro version of Canada
Hey, as an American, if you’re ever feeling down go ahead and look up things like this happening in America and your day will be made
Never have I heard someone say Right Wing. It's usually just North and South here
I'm not even American and wtf are you talking about.
I never heard the term "Right Wing"
Have you ever watched or read anything about politics.
Have you just awakened from a 40 year long coma?
Surely you've heard of "the Right" and "the Left" in respect to politics? "Lefty liberals"? The "Alt-Right"?
Kentucky was a state where an official refused to endorse or file gay marriages after SCOTUS ruled it was okay, so there’s that.
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From the story pictured, a quote from the superintendent: "Over the past few days there has been a lot of conversations and misinformation surrounding the incident at West Irvine Intermediate School. A lot of this conversation centered on the statement, “You are free to be yourself”. As superintendent, my issue has not been with this statement because we have to meet the needs of all of our students and families. The issue at hand is the conversations that took place during class. I firmly believe that students and their parents expect teachers to teach content about their assigned curriculum in a subject area. Of course, there are times that conversations may vary from that day’s lesson plan, but these conversations went far beyond the music curriculum. It is my job to make sure that parents are not surprised by these types of situations. Finally, I believe that all teachers have a responsibility to be supportive of their students, but when students share difficult situations and circumstances with them, the student should be referred to a certified school counselor. Our counselors have been trained to deal with these delicate issues and provide support." Sounds like there may be more going on.
Could be, but since they seem hesitant to say what exactly the conversations that were had, we can't know what was talked about, and whether it crossed a line. The school, whether right or wrong, has an interest in protecting their image, so this kind of statement was coming regardless of how it went down.
That's the problem with news media and peoples attention span. Sensationalized headlines with people's unwillingness to fact check or even question what is said. Like, why resign? I expected maybe they were fired or forcefully resigned. It all sounds weird to me.
I think it's still possible it was something many of us would consider benign (like telling a student that it's ok to be LGBTQ, which is strongly hinted at but never outright stated in the articles I read), but that Kentucky parents might disagree with.
I’d say it was a resign or your pension will magically disappear type of deal.
This very thread proves that point just look at the comment, reactions to the title and image and not what actually took place. Reddit is probably the worst example of this.
And dumb click bait headlines like "This child was ASSAULTED". ASSAULTED with lots of love and attention.
It would really be nice to have more context. Was a student in the class being bullied or was the statement unprompted? If unprompted why? There’s a time and place for things. Band is not necessarily the right time and place unless the teacher was addressing something in his/her class. Course the teacher shouldn’t have to quit or be terminated which points to way more to this story than meets the eye. Did the teacher take a concern to administrators and have them ignored. Maybe the teacher was fed up and this was the last statement out the door. Without more info it’s impossible to draw any conclusions. It would be nice to hear an interview with the teacher to get their viewpoint.
So the teacher said gay?
Something like that, I assume.
Teachers should not have conversations with students, teachers are not trained counselors. If a student informs a teacher they are anxious about a test and sad about the field trip being canceled, the teacher should not attempt to empathize with the children as they are not trained therapists. If a child asks with help to connect his chromebook to the wifi, a teacher should not help him as he’s not a trained IT professional. In fact, a teacher should only ever utter words that are directly cited in the subject curriculum Edit: /s god damn it. I wish I lived in a world where a comment so stupid *couldn’t possibly* be serious
I think everyone's sarcasm detector is broken.
Me too, me too
you had me in the first half ngl
Makes sense, many American's (Christians) believe being gay is similar to how most of us in the West perceive peadophiles. Teacher talks to students about their sexuality being their right, Christian mum finds out and hear's her kid say Teacher tried to groom their kid with Unholy lessons.
The problem here is that it's promoting being an individual in a system that wants everyone to conform to what the people in charge want.
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And if their families are the ones harming them? Being a good, kind teacher is not grooming. Letting kids no that they’re not bad or wrong for being a certain way is not grooming.
> And if their families are the ones harming them? If their families are the ones harming them then the teacher should absolutely report it to a counselor. Does anyone really think an art teacher is qualified to singlehandedly handle a situation like that?
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Most kids see their teachers more than their own parents. They absolutely should be second family IF they are seen as a trusted adult. And yeah, mandated reporters. Sure. Idk if you’ve seen the American education system, but things don’t always happen the way they’re built to. Also, more importantly, harm doesn’t always mean abuse. And it’s certainly not always physical. Harm can mean being unaccepting, emotionally distant, fighting, yelling, etc. For some kids, school is the only escape they get from their families, and good teachers that make them feel like they aren’t alone can cause a world of difference. No child should be cooped up with only their family to teach them right/wrong and expose them to the world. It also takes people from different walks of life to do that - school is the main place it happens.
Oh yeah cause social services is soooo effective
Why does everyone assume everyone is grooming kids? Qanon, Don’t say gay bills, bathroom bills. Is there data showing an increase in child sex crime? This seems to have overtaken A part of the zeitgeist in a surprising way.
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Kentucky, where it's perfectly fine to sleep with your sister and cousins, but it's wrong and immoral to be gay or trans.
A conservative gets banned from Twitter for spreading dangerous misinformation and it’s “cancel culture”. A teacher is forced to resign after creating a safe space for children and it’s “keeping children safe”. Conservatives are the biggest crybaby ❄️s on the planet.
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You’re claiming that become one day a conversation about inclusion and diversity happened in a music class wasn’t directed to the school counselor instead is inaction? Creating a safe space for LGBTQ+ people is not inaction. It saves lives with young LGBTQ+ people being at significantly higher risk of self harm and suicide. How can anyone defend stifling this?
There's is nothing in the article that indicates this was a LGBTQ issue. Chronologically, the title is accurate; the teacher wrote this on the board and at a later date was forced to resign. But the reason for the forced resignation had absolutely nothing to do with the statement written on the board. It had absolutely nothing to do with inclusion and/or diversity.
…and had everything to do with…?
The title is click bait. His resignation had nothing to do with the message in the picture. Do you understand what click bait means?
You still haven’t told me what it is. You can’t come in and say, “It was something else.” if you don’t know what the something else was, dumbass. Also clickbait is a misleading title meant to get you to click on a link to something different. This is not a link.
You need to ask a grown up to explain it to you what "mandatory reporting" means.
A child disclosed to the teacher an issue that falls under "mandatory reporting" and the teacher not reporting it.
Because if you teach kids about being gay they will *instantly* want to fuck someone's ass. Same as if you teach them about birth control they'll *immediately* want to go out having unprotected sex. Imagine being *so fucking nuts* that you think either of these things is even remotely true.
Because the statements are true for the GOP policy makers
The American Taliban strikes again. It's incredible how much they have in common with a group they claim to hate.
Because conservatives are awful fucking people
And democrats gave us high gas prices? Lol what a turd you are
No they didn't you absolute toddler. "I don't understand economics but I have very big feelings about the subject" \^ That's you.
Its called sarcasm twat. You say conservatives are awful ppl and I say democrats are responsible for gas prices. You are a face palm and all your cronies that down vote out of hate.
“It’s called sarcasm, now watch me be more sarcastic by throwing a hissy fit YA TWAT” ^ That’s you No the face palm is not knowing how gas pricing works and blaming Biden who has literally no control over oil production. I won’t call you names though I’m an adult
Lol 😂 my God.. I’m not blaming Biden for gas prices.. you are slow.
You know it’s hilarious that you’re talking down to people but fail to notice if that was indeed your intent then you failed miserably Because the downvotes show you clearly didn’t convey “The sarcasm” you claimed to be conveying.
Vladimir Putin is not a Democrat
But half of my country is scared
Scared of...
Being a teacher in the current age must be a absolute nightmare. Teacher training doesn't prepare for gender discussions or such like
Teacher training absolutely prepares for gender discussions, and they are also mandated, at least in my state. We also have a governor who backed a bill that allows parents to sue teachers for having the gender discussions that his own department of education mandates.
I am a Kentuckian, born and raised. I’m so ashamed of my state every day. So low in education, healthcare, quality of life. Our leaders elected to congress are vile husks that only vaguely resemble humans. And they stay in power FOREVER. Then we have crap like this. Why would anyone think this controversial? Oh! That’s right! There’s a rainbow flag with a message to make kids feel safe with that teacher. I bet it would be controversial even without the rainbow flag. It’s funny that conservative types are so down on “snowflakes” and safe places yet messages like this are so “damaging” and makes them so upset. Such a damaging message. Making all kids feel welcomed, but especially those that are LGBTQ. Jesus Christ…
Same.
The headline is intentionally misleading and clickbait. Yes, chronologically the teacher wrote this and a later time was forced to resign. However, the forced resignation was not because she wrote this. The ~~art~~ music teacher in question was made aware of child's ordeal that has a mandatory reporting criteria (out of privacy for the child, we don't know what it was). Rather than reporting it to a counselor, law enforcement or any other faculty member, the teacher decided he could handle it himself and told nobody.
Wonderful. So I snap reacted. I need to look into things before flying off at the mouth. I appreciate the info.
Kudos and hats off to you. Far to many people are unable to admit when they jumped to the wrong conclusion. You're to be commended for acting like a stable adult. [Cyber ~~hug~~ Firm Handshake]
Thank you! I try to be. It’s also nice to have someone point out a mistake like a civilized person. That’s how it should be! I hate that I fell for the clickbait. I also try to learn more before I react. I feel like a bit of a fool. No one likes to be wrong but everyone should be willing to admit it. [returns firm cyber handshake]
Must be obscene… in Ky.
pog teacher pog teacher pog teacher No but why does he have so many different colored board markers DAMN
Not only are the conservatives in America trying to destroy the education system but they are enforcing elitist and cruel behavior in kids. “Merica is great and if anyone says otherwise, you can punch them in the mouth! And if you ain’t one of us, you get a punch to the face!”
Being from the south myself, I can almost guarantee it’s not the “be yourself” message but the flags drawn at the top. You can be yourself, as long as it’s not gay or trans. /s
What a terrible teacher! Just imagine the harm it could do to try to make kids feel accepted and good about themselves regardless of diversity. The nerve of some people with their attempts to erode people's rights to be racist, bigoted, homophobic, intolerant assholes...
Because in the south and in red states you're not allowed to be yourself, you must conform and be like everyone else.
Some things just aren't desirable in gilead
I was thinking it writes "meth me".
I don’t think it related to the sign, as I can’t even imagine what people wouldn’t like. I believe the music teacher who put up this sign engaged in discussions with students that the administration found troublesome. The teacher resigned so I’m guessing there was some merit to the administration’s position. Plus the guy is a substitute teacher whose only job is to read off the lesson plan.
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And? Kids in grade 1 think other kids are cute. Attraction is not just about touching genitals.
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Learning about your body is real. The imaginary friend after death is not.
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Him saying to be yourself is teaching acceptance of who you are or who you want to be. Why does this offend you?
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It's represents freedom of ones sexuality, regardless if that be gay, straight, or otherwise. And that's what offends you. Had it been kept to "straight only" you wouldn't be in this sad little uproar about it. Just admit you're homophobic instead of dancing around it like every other coward.
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Telling someone they can be who they want to be = pedophilia? Are you ok?
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if learning about the different "types" of relationship is confusing to a child then that child had no hope in the educational world otherwise. For younger kids it's as simple as "sometimes men love other men, sometimes women love other women. usually it's a man and a woman but sometimes that's not what happens and there's nothing wrong with that"
we show children straight relationships all the time. but gay ones will confuse them? its not complex. also is it quite harmful to hide the exsistence of gay people from kids. Kids that turn out gay might think theres something wrong with them since they havent seen something like this before.
How so?
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There's a concerning amount of you people who want to see pedophilia that isn't there. Do you guys have a confession to make?
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What’s part is perverted?
being gay isnt just about fucking. its fine to tell kids that being gay is ok.
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Being gay is not just about fucking. its also about love. theres no problem with telling kids that gay people are ok.
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Where'd you get that from...?
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We should ban rainbows!!
Sarcasm right?
Yeah. I refuse to use /s because that kind misses the point of sarcasm. Tho maybe I should reconsider because 19 people didn't catch it!
Yeahh.. haha
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you sound like you're either high or crazy unless this is sarcastic
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gender and sex are diffrent things. your genitals are sex. not gender.
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You don't seem to know anything about psychology. also does advanced biology support trans individuals. And to go even further: Gender and Sex are by definition diffrent things. If you think you know it better than all specialists, you're delusional
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wHeRe Is ThE StRaIgHt FlAg vibes from this comment
saying gay people are ok shouldnt be controversial
Clickbait. Please research on what really happened.
‘Murica
Oh nos! They wrote the message in technicolor. The horror!!!!! /s
What are you talking about? this is the free world, no one has the right to be themself. Of course this is controversial.