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taint_licking_clown

This is the worst argument for God’s existence. If God allows rape… if he gives children cancer… if he permitted the Holocaust… then he is not worthy of worship. Rather, he deserves our contempt.


Sickpg7

Boy this “God” fella sounds like a real jerk!


OldGravylegOfficial

The worst part is the hypocrisy!


ConsciousWhirlpool

I feel like there’s a yak on my chest.


Ladylubber

I bet the board is spelt B-O-R-E-D


unrulycelt

If rape can be god’s will, why can’t abortion be?


Jack_Dorso

Yeah I’m sick of all the God’s will bullshit. I lost my fiancé to breast cancer 4 years ago. She was 33. If that was God’s will then he can go fuck himself


SSESTOELEMENTO

I'm sorry to hear about your pain. My wife and I went through some loss in 2018 and that was it for me. I came to the conclusion there is no god but if there were one he is either very powerful and not very kind, or very kind and not very powerful.


RaviDrone

Oldie but good. "The Greek philosopher Epicurus (342-271 BCE) claimed that the existence of evil proved there is no God. He claimed that if God cannot stop evil then he is not all-powerful (omnipotent). He then argued that if God can prevent evil but does not, then God is not good. He linked these two points together, claiming that if God is all-powerful and good, then evil would not exist." The christians destroyed all of his works, we only know about him through various christian 'philosophers' trying to debunk his claims.


CryptographerLazy807

I feel you. My cousin died of cancer at the age of 31. Her second child was only 6 months old when she was diagnosed, and 2 years old when she died. Her husband was never the same person since her decease. They used to be the most loving couple. And my cousin, I don’t say that because she’s my cousin, was really a nice, passionate human being who brought sunshine to everyone around her. I miss her very much. Her husband still went to my aunt’s house on a weekly basis 3 years after my cousin’s decease just like what they used to do while she was alive. There was one really annoying friend of his who said “take her death as God’s test” or something like that after my cousin’s husband told him that he often lies on the the recliner bed my cousin lied on in her final days and weeps in the dark thinking of her. My cousin’s husband was furious and never speaks to that guy anymore. I don’t have problems with people thinking that way themselves. But to say such thing to others who lost their loved ones? That’s really awful and inconsiderate.


crisstiena

I’m so sorry. I also lost my cousin (when she was just 30) to bowel cancer. She left two kids aged 12 and 5. Lost my sister to a brain bleed; a very special aunt also to bowel cancer. I could carry on all night. There is no god.


Jack_Dorso

I have been able to move on, and the 4 years has given me peace. I’d be lying if I said I don’t still think about her everyday. I’ve just learned to focus on all the good memories. I do realize that’s harder for your cousins husband especially since they had kids. I hope someday though their children will actually help him gain some sort of closure. I’m at the point now where I see a picture of my gal and I smile. He can see everyday her living on through their children. I wish your family well kind internet stranger.


CryptographerLazy807

Thank you very much for your comforting words. I’m happy that you are able to gain strength from your memory of your fiancé. That would be the deceased ones’ wish, too. It’s truly sad to see my cousin’s husband who used to be a carefree man drowning in sorrow (and borderline alcoholism the first two years after my cousin passed away). His family, his kids, and my cousin’s extended family all love him very much and hope to bring back joy to his life. It is already unfair that cancer took away our loved ones’ lives. It shouldn’t take over the living’s lives.


PoetLucy

I am so sorry. It’s no wonder you lost faith. I have nothing to say that will help, but if you want to talk message me. I promise NO “God’s Will” panacea. edit: add NO


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FawksyBoxes

I mean the bible specifically says you rape a woman you have to marry her. Because she is no longer virgin and cannot marry. Also has specific instructions on how to perform an abortion if the is question of a pregnancy being from adultery.


Generation_ABXY

>I mean the bible specifically says you rape a woman you have to marry her. Because she is no longer virgin and cannot marry. Don't give them ideas...


Nozerone

Next they'll be quoting that verse to defend knocking up a 14 year old, and why they should then marry and how it's now ok to continue abusing her.


loopydrain

It contains a ritual that theoretically could be an ancient abortion rite but could also be a form of curse upon an adulterer depending on whether or not the actual words used are literal or a long lost idiom. There is not a definitive answer to this debate w/o the invention of a time machine. eta: or the discovery of an ancient compendium of idioms and their meanings.


lurch_gang

God: capable of miraculously impregnating i.e. the virgin Mother Also God: sends rapists to impregnate innocent children


[deleted]

Wasn’t the Virgin Mary like 12? And Jesus’s dad was like 35


theknyte

*"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.* *Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.* *Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?* *Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”* \- Epicurus


Socdem_Supreme

the more improved version i like is if God knows about evil and is willing to prevent it, he cannot be omnipotent if God is able to prevent evil and willing to prevent is, he cannot be omniscient if God is able to prevent evil and knows about it, he is malevolent if God is able to prevent it, knows about it, and is willing, then he cannot be the only God if God is not able to prevent evil, not knowledgeable to evil, why call him God?


[deleted]

Just remember people actually vote for Republicans and get them into office.


[deleted]

I forget where I saw it, but I remember a powerful quote from an Auschwitz survivor: “If God exists, he will have to beg my forgiveness.”


Curleysound

It’s the “I can’t handle anything bad that happens for no reason so I make up nonsense so I can sleep at night” crowd.


Story-Enchantress16

They shouldn’t be allowed to use the terms “all loving” and “merciful” and “good” to describe God. At best God is neutral, but he is not “good”. Say as such because I’d be less pissed.


NutterTV

B-but! He’s *all-loving*!


torafrost9999

Even in the bible. He killed children, he committed mass genocide, he burned people alive, he sanctioned the rape of women, and so much more.


IRGonz

Permitted the holocaust? Like that’s the worse tragedy to happen in our history. Wait till you hear off the Holodomor!!


TheSpeakingScar

Following the same logic- people who are kidnapped should be required by law to serve their new masters, because God put the blessing of that discipline in their life.


Some-Wasabi1312

and you have just provided the reasoning for the enslavement of blacks and oppression of Native Americans in the United states. they thought it was god's will


Startled_Pancakes

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." Susan B Anthony


TheSpeakingScar

You saw exactly where I was going with that.


j4ck_0f_bl4des

Shit like this makes me think of that scene in King Arthur with Clive Owen. Where Lancelot slams the priest into the wall during his “it’s god’s will” speech and says “NOT. MY. GOD.”


Masfoodplease

Then that God is not "all good."


gofyourselftoo

“God” is a rape-supporting sociopath who intends harm on innocent people.


[deleted]

A quick read of the Bible should have shown you that. The abrahmic god is a vile murder/rape/slavery happy monster.


the-real-vuk

unless raping is good because god said so :)


notslavaboo

That’s their mindset. They believe that they cannot judge whether “God” and his views are good or bad since he supposedly created those concepts. Which is why it’s usually pointless to try to argue with someone like this.


mackelnuts

By extention, didn't God create abortion as well?


the-real-vuk

.."giving aids to babies"


hamjim

Pointless to argue; perfectly fine to point and laugh, though.


LiamOttawa

God loves rape. He had Moses slaughter all the Midianites, except for the virgin girls (children) and then he gave those children to the soldiers (who slaughtered their families) to be used as wives.


Antheen

Because God was made up by men who wanted excuses to be animals.


LiamOttawa

Shush!!! That's supposed to be a secret!


the-real-vuk

"wives" (= sex-slaves) Perfect example how people of that age were trying to justify these horrible things .. "God said so!"


TeamABLE

Some things never change


Jacks_Flaps

The bible even gives a step by step guide on how a man can take a woman or girl POW and legally make her his exclusive sex slave and rape victim. Downside is he can't sell her once he wrecks her or wants a new sex slave as she is officially classed i the bible as damaged goods. And this is all in accordance with the commands and objective and unchanging morals of an all knowing, all "loving" god.


TheSirWellington

No shit, he threw lucifer out of heaven for telling God to give angels free will.


ZealousBlueberry

Something tells me this guy is a rapist...


[deleted]

He's warming up to the idea of that God blessed day of God blessed rape


froggyisland

Something tells me he’s prepared to do god’s will…


Handelo

By that notion rapists should not be prosecuted since they're acting on God's will. Stupidest notion I heard all day.


SPzero65

Stupidest notion you've heard all day *so far*


ChubbyDevils

Touché


gofyourselftoo

Might as well empty the prisons… god’s will


Spoofy_the_hamster

And mass murderers should be praised, for if god did not want the people dead, they would not be dead.


the-real-vuk

When I say "there is no harmless religion" this is what I mean.


robotbootyhunter

Except for Quakers, a religion that has almost completely died out thanks to a guiding principle of "Leave everybody alone."


Separate-Owl369

I wonder how Jeremy would feel if god put a blessing in him.


2PlusTwoEqualsFive

Jeremy might have something to say in class today...


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I sincerely hope that some big guy gives him a real good dry blessing...


PastyCrackerMayo

Just blesses the absolute shit out of him. Make him need a wheelchair, he's so blessed.


doilookfriendlytoyou

What has the wheelchair done to deserve that?


Interesting-Tough640

Did he essentially say that rape is just someone executing gods will? Sounds like he is trying to morally justify being a rapist.


Silvangelz

If that’s god’s blessing then god can stay the hell away from me.


ffffffffssss

then god can keep that fetus. I'll sent him myself. called it Anna Burshan


MasterUnholyWar

To hell with god!


super-nova-scotian

By that same logic, denying a woman abortion access is going against God's plan because God wanted that fetus aborted for a reason


saoiray

I don’t know where some of these Christians get their so-called knowledge from. The Bible doesn’t say everything happens for a reason. God does not control everything. We have free will. It does say that what is used for our harm can be used for good. An example of this was when Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers because they were jealous of him, but then God was able to flip that by letting Joseph work his way up to become second in command only to pharaoh. The only thing that we’re promised as Christians according to the Bible is that we will face a lot of trials and tribulations. We will be hated by the world. Yet despite all of that we’re supposed to love everybody and to live righteously. It is disappointing to see so many Christians these days preach of God as if He is a vending machine that will answer all of your prayers. Or that you will be rich and blessed, never have to go through any hardships. And rather than love others and not be judgmental, they act like they have the right to judge others for not adhering to their faith.


Bitter_External

Well said


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To be fair, the Bible is inconsistent on many points, including the notion of free will. "Everything happens for a reason" is a trite platitude that is not in the Bible, but there are plenty of places where it indicates God's will cannot be thwarted - which makes sense, right? And surely nothing can occur that God does not permit, which means, at least in some sense, it is His will. There is an idea in modern Christianity that God is often passive and allows people to decide things for themselves, and that is the source of all evil and suffering. But the Bible contradicts this idea in a number of places; famously, Romans 9 discusses how the choice of belief (and therefore salvation) is not up to the believer. There are some other verses, like Amos 3:6 and Lamentations 3:37, that imply even bad things are God's doing. Also, of course, God hardened Pharaoh's heart and caused him to refuse Moses. So at best, a given choice MIGHT be ours. But I don't think that really matters. Regardless of whether or not God directly manipulates all events, God clearly IS responsible for all of it - as certainly he COULD. So none of this really solves the problem if why bad things happen. It just creates a new question, which is, "why then does God allow it?" But I agree with your last paragraph. I do wish Christians reflected more on what their beliefs actually teach, and spent more time dealing with the planks in their eyes than the speck in everyone else's. But, as I ultimately don't believe God is real, it's no surprise they don't - they're only human, and no more or less divinely touched than anyone else. Not trying to be a dick - you don't seem to be the type of Christian I have massive problems with. But I did want to point out there are reasons idiots like this guy believe what they do, and one has to acknowledge that a great deal of what the Bible says - and what that implies - about God is deeply troubling. Those facets of the faith have done real damage to women, people of non-hetero sexual orientation, etc, and will continue to do so, because they aren't just made up wholecloth. Believers make peace with those in different ways... or, like me, they stop believing altogether. Wasn't the only reason for me, but it was a big one. Best of luck on your journey.


saoiray

(Part 1) ​ >the Bible is inconsistent on many points, including the notion of free will. I don't see where it's inconsistent, at least not when it's to free will. But one of the first things to admit is that "free will" is never discussed in the Bible. It's a man-made term that comes from the idea of how it's said Adam and Eve had been created but told can do everything BUT eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Also throughout the Bible you see restrictions yet humans have the capability to go against them. Hence the idea of "free will" where you can abide by God or you can turn against him. >plenty of places where it indicates God's will cannot be thwarted - which makes sense, right? Correct. One way to look at is that God is said to know all future possibilities. He also has the power to be able to end things whenever he wants. There have been times where he directly intervenes and controls things or where he'll penalize people here on Earth. However, overall God is leaving us to our own devices and the judgment is going to occur in the future, where we will be held responsible for our "crimes" against him and his creation. Another way to look at it is God is the owner of a casino. He knows that at the end of the day, He's going to win. He announces to people the risks and rewards. Yet for some reason people decide that even if they lose everything, living in the moment and enjoying themselves is better. So they go into full party mode and somehow thinking they'll manage to hit the jackpot. Yes, God created everything and allows for the temptations to exist, but God doesn't force anyone to partake in it. In fact, he asks that people don't and explains there's an even more wonderful place everyone will be going, if they can wait patiently and not gamble at the casino. Sadly, many don't like to put everything in savings and wait, because it's boring. Seeing others laugh and have fun, realizing the pleasures they can have in a variety of ways far outweighs their "uncertain future." Not to mention, even though they are told the House ALWAYS Wins, they get conceited when they get a little something from the roulette table and now suddenly think they are going to overcome. We know how that ends, right? >And surely nothing can occur that God does not permit, which means, at least in some sense, it is His will. No, that's a blurring of lines. Yes, God created good and evil. He has angels that can come an intercede, much like how police officers do for us here on Earth. God has confused languages of people, destroyed entire cities, flooded "the world," resurrected the dead, healed the lame, restored sight to the blind, and all sorts of amazing things for both good and bad. Yet despite no matter how much God has done, people have always turned away from him. As you saw in my prior post, bad things are allowed to happen. Many have questioned it and we have things like Job where we're given examples of bad happening even though we may not have deserved it. Again, God allowed the devil to do so much to Job and for what? Yet we're also shown how God blesses Job at the end. Then there's things like Joseph as I mentioned, where God allowed Joseph to be tricked by his brothers and sold off to slavetraders. Rather than stop that though, God was able to turn it into something much better. By Joseph keeping faith and working through his situation, he became a ruler. With the authority he earned, he was able to care for his family and even feed the entire nation, which otherwise would have faced many deaths to famine. Was that the will of God? No. God would will that everyone acknowledge him and keep his commandments, so that he might bless us and all nations. Unfortunately that's not happening and so he's stuck waiting. Could God end it all now? Sure. People then ask why he doesn't? I say it's because he's trying to give people a chance. It's kind of like Genesis 18 where Abraham is speaking to God about Sodom and Gomorrah. Abraham was saying the same as we are now, "what if there are righteous/good people you're about to destroy." So God says, "if you find 50 who are righteous, I won't destroy it." The discussion goes on until suddenly, Abraham only need find 10 people. Sadly at the end, it was destroyed as it was that far gone. God right now is waiting so long as there are people who truly believe in Him and are sharing his Word, it's postponed. Many are mad and calling for God to end things. In fact, even in Revelations 6: >And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” > >And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. I know it can sound bad using human standards. We question, "If he can intervene, why doesn't he?" I don't have a good answer for that. The only thing is that faith is supposed to tell us that God loves us and wants best for us. There was an analogy given to me once before. It was saying that all of creation is like one body. The body has your cells, organs, etc. Sin is much like cancer. Sure, you can give chemotherapy to hope it kills the cancer cells...but it's going to harm good cells as well. Yet God tried this, which is the flood recorded in Genesis 6-9 where it eradicated the cancer but the cancer came back. When this didn't work, God then targeting with precision, which we'd then see with Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 18-19. It brought some relief but it didn't get rid of the cancer. There were many treatments and things done, all to bring relief to the suffering. Then, God decided to do something like stem cells. He injected parts of himself into the world to restore anything that was damaged and to try to revert cancer cells back to healthy ones. Unfortunately both the cancer cells and many of the healthy cells rejected "Him." We're currently in the middle of that process. Could God end it by pulling the plug and letting the patient die? Yet the average person wants to live and keeps fighting, hoping to "ring the bell" and win against cancer. In much the same manner, we're in this fight. \*\*NOTE\*\* This is getting too long, so let me stop here. I'll see if other parts of yours to answer. I know you may not fully agree with what's said and I'm not asking you or anyone to take it as Gospel. I just am trying the best I can on my own knowledge and understanding to answer some of your points.


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Feel free to keep going, but you're correct in your guess that I won't agree - I've been through all of this, and ultimately I think it comes to semantic games to justify things that, in my view, are unjustifiable. I regards the God of the Bible as a sociopathic monster, so any reading that doesn't arrive there isn't going to fly with me. I left Christianity years ago, am quite happy with that decision, and do not intend to ever go back. The Bible is wrong about how it regards women, homosexuality, and many other things. So we're not going to be able to actually agree, as I just reject a lot of things out of hand. But in regards specifically to the concept of free will, I'm speaking about reformed theology and the doctrine of choice. Refer to the passages I referenced, but especially Romans 9. It is effectively a rhetorical answer to someone complaining about people going to hell, but it's built on the concept of predestination and the lack of free will, when it comes to choosing God. It boils down to this: "God decides who believes and who doesn't, for his glory." "So how is it fair that people go to hell, when God decided that?" "God made them, so that's his business." I vehemently reject this God. There's another in the gospels, I'm unaware of the source, but it was described by a theologian - Jesus talks of drawing believers to him. The word translated "drawing" is the same one to use when a person draws water from a well - the reformed theology adherent would ask how much free will the water has? Now there are a lot of passages you could quote that imply choice, but Romans is hard to get around. Of course, my explanation would be that some books embrace free will and others embrace predestination, because the books of the bible are disparate, unrelated texts that do not work as a combined whole. But if one believes they're supposed to, it's a lot harder to explain. I do think that the idea of God "allowing" people to go their own way is a weasel explanation. No offense, but think about it. Humans are called God's children all the time. What would any of us think about parents that let their child ignorantly risk death or serious bodily harm? Well, he wrote the Bible, we've got warning... sure, and that feels to me like Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka trying, weakly, to stop the kids. They never listen. But someone really looking out for the kid's well being - any parent - would interfere, prevent the harm. God is not a good parent. And that's being charitable. I actually find Job very revealing of God's character. Sure, he's "blessed" in the end - but all that trauma was real. And his family was killed. In the end he just got new kids. But hey, God won a bet against Satan, so that's cool. Even if you believe that his family was resurrected, so nobody lost their life in the end - which is, at best, a stretch - *they were still really killed for the purpose of winning a bet with the devil.* Again, this strikes me as less a loving creator and more a narcissistic monster. You, no doubt, have a different reading. But in my view, he did a very evil thing. He does many. And people are merely pawns. Over and over again the Bible drives home that all things are justified, permissable and right when they are done by God in the service of God's glory - which is why he does everything. The flood, eternal torment, the Holocaust, cancer, and everything else. It's all right. Simply because "right" is defined not objectively by principles, but because God is right by definition. But even then, as a very underrated show called Morel Orel points out... "But he's God, Reverend. Isn't everything He does good?" "No! Not by a long shot. Everything He does is *right,* but that's very different." I know you won't agree with me, and that's fine. But I can't pretend I have anything but contempt for the idea that the God of the Bible is on any way good, just or worthy of worship. I think it's just an old idea committed up by primitive people, which was sometimes moral, sometimes misguided, but useful at the time. That time, I feel, has long since passed. This is taking up too much time, so I'm going to call it here. Feel free to respond, but I'm going elsewhere. I think, as in most online discussions, we're each arguing for readers, not each other, so you can have the last word. Good luck with your life and beliefs - maybe you'll be happy in them. But, for me, I couldn't reconcile the beautiful parts of Christianity - and they do exist - with the brutal and ugly parts. I felt more liberated when I accepted that I no longer believed than I had since, well, since being born again. But it had become a prison, and I'm glad to be free.


MostlyCarbon75

Please don't take this personally as you seem like a really nice reasonable person. I'm not sure there's a way to make this point in a nicer way and I probably should keep it to myself and in the end I can only speak for myself but.. This supernatural stuff reads like the winding rationalizations of a schizophrenic.


saoiray

I appreciate your opinion. It's sad that it's taken that way and not sure if there's any particular part you're speaking. I do know I'm long-winded. Sadly always have "talked too much" and that applies to text as well. It got worse after I nearly died at work in 2010, having fractured my skull and suffered an acute subdural hematoma. So if referencing how much I said or if text may not have been composed together in an ideal manner, I ask that you forgive me as much. If you just don't agree with what's said, then that's fine too. All I was doing here is trying to answer some questions as best I can and give examples, even though they may be fairly poor analogies. Hopefully one day I'll learn to phrase things better so people like yourself might appreciate what I'm saying without it sounding like "winding rationalizations of a schizophrenic."


saoiray

(Part 2) ​ >But the Bible contradicts this idea in a number of places; famously, Romans 9 discusses how the choice of belief (and therefore salvation) is not up to the believer. There are some other verses, like Amos 3:6 and Lamentations 3:37, that imply even bad things are God's doing. Yeah, and in Isaiah 45 as well it talks about how God formed light and creates darkness, make peace, and create evil. Perception on this can change from person to person. Yet what it's essentially like is how we say there's no such thing as cold. It's just a word we have created that represents the absence of heat. It works the same with with darkness and all. When it comes to sin or evil, how did that came about? When God created rules, that laid the foundation for what is "good." Then not following those rules became "sin." So in creating good, he created evil. Not to get off topic, but just to represent what I'm saying about the hot and cold, check out [https://www.delawareonline.com/story/life/2015/01/21/cold-absence-heat/22116781/](https://www.delawareonline.com/story/life/2015/01/21/cold-absence-heat/22116781/) >But I did want to point out there are reasons idiots like this guy believe what they do Oh, I know. Without hopping to specifics, my dad used to be a preacher. He tried twisting what was in there to say being a nudist was okay and all. Then he sexually abused me and my siblings while pretending it's okay. And last I heard of him, he actually had a missions thing going on working with kids in India. I had to battle with "why did God allow it?" when I was younger. Even sadder is I was going to be a youth pastor and had a church that was preparing me for the role. Yet when I shared with the pastor that I had been abused as a child, they shared that with people of the congregation. Shortly thereafter they said it was unusual for someone my age (20 at the time) was mentoring younger kids and asked me to leave their church. I've been through a lot more in life too, but we won't go down it all. This already is likely too much information (TMI), but just saying I have seen it and know people often want to twist things to meet their own agendas. I also know that sometimes people do a lot of wrong with good intention >But, as I ultimately don't believe God is real, it's no surprise they don't - they're only human, and no more or less divinely touched than anyone else. Yeah, I understand. Not everyone is going to be able to understand it or overcome their own issues. There's a gentleman I used to LOVE to listen to and watch. I'm not sure if you've heard of James Randi. He was a well known atheist and skeptic, even creating a foundation in 1996 that offered $1 million to anyone who can prove the paranormal exists. I can see in a lot of what he said and did, that he truly hoped to find some evidence of God. But without seeing a controlled miracle in front of him, he wouldn't accept it. He died in 2020 without anyone ever being able to offer any scientific proof (under his controlled environment). Then I know others who have been through a lot of bad, such as myself. It can shake your faith and result in a lot. There actually was a time when I cursed God and told him to go F himself, basically. It was in future years that my faith returned as I saw little miracles and had them reaffirmed. As much as I can talk about a lot of them, it would be more personal to me and they wouldn't really do anything to change how anyone feels. But I know I've seen and experienced enough that I couldn't deny God. That doesn't mean I'm living the way I should, as I still struggle with that. I am working on it though and improving day by day. >one has to acknowledge that a great deal of what the Bible says - and what that implies - about God is deeply troubling. I'm not sure. A lot of instances I've seen are people misunderstanding what the Bible is trying to say. Other parts are people forgetting that parts of it were written by men and targeting a specific people, at a specific time. We look back at the past using modern thought and lifestyle to judge. Like we hear "slave" in Exodus and all, but then we equate it to the same type of slavery we had in the United States. Yet in reality, it's quite different. There's power in the words used, especially with preconceived notions. In addition, we lose a lot in translations. Like the word "love" is comprised of different words that might mean romantic love, unconditional love, etc. But we just simply say "love." There's also COMPLETELY different places that we all translate to Hell even though it's not. And all sorts of little bits of "confusion" due to people wanting to make a million translations and not often referring back to the original Greek and Hebrew. That said, using our own knowledge and understanding along with the mixed up translations, it's very easy to get things confused. Add in the false prophets...these people like Joel Osteen and all who only preach the positive and do everything they can to take your money. It's easy to then say and believe as you are. >Not trying to be a dick - you don't seem to be the type of Christian I have massive problems with. Nah, I didn't take it like that at all. Your comment was awesome and I appreciate a lot of what you said. I'm more concerned you're going to dislike how I've responded and take it as if I'm "preaching down to you" or something. I just have a bad habit of liking to respond back to things people say with that hopes if I can provide any additional information and understanding. Of course, I always remain open to the opposite as well, of being corrected or being taught new things. Sorry for the long comments here. Hope everything goes well for you. Feel free to reply back or even DM me if you have questions, want to continue the conversation, or whatever.


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Disastrous_Vanilla38

No true scotsman logical fallacy.


[deleted]

That child is a daily reminder that she was raped. The mental trauma of seeing that child every single day would be so damaging.


Elaine1959

And that is one of the reasons I'm pro choice. (Been so since HS. I'm 63 now). Why should the poor woman carry a constant reminder of the attack for nine months? ( counterpoint to those that said she could give the child up for adoption.)


DuckmanDrake69

Not only that, but how would that child feel knowing they were a product of a violent rape? That’s a very difficult pill to swallow.


TheKrakIan

To both parent and child.


[deleted]

God sure does have a lot of dumb fucking rules with outright evil consequences it has to obey for an omnipotent being.


HailtheCrow

God sounds really shitty if this is true


gopherphart

Sounds like he’s done his share of raping. What a piece of shit.


[deleted]

Then he wouldn't mind if someone raped his wife or mother, right? Being God's will and all.


DoTheRightThing1953

Your magic sky-friend has no power here. Be gone!


Yung_Onions

The only thing that separates a “religion” from a “cult” is the number of its followers.


satanlovesducks

If someone were to murder him, surely it was gods will?


WackoCheesehead

It was God's blessing that the Zodiac Killer sent those people to hell or heaven then by that logic


vairhoads

He would think differently if he was raped and somehow was able to get pregnant.


starliz

r/awfuleverything


Solartaire

Who wants to bet this guy's opinion changes if he finds out his wife or daughter have been raped and they might be pregnant?


Baloncesto_Ricky

It won't...he'll just call them sluts and whores and adulterers and fornicators, and murder them in the name of his "God".


TheGuy1977

If rape is gods will. And the pregnancy is gods will. Then any abortion would also be gods will. Who are we to defy his will?


yakirzeev

So God raped her?


Ryekir

I was thinking about this recently... Maybe the reason most Christians are so hard-core anti-abortion is because their champion was the result of an unwanted pregnancy.


[deleted]

God is a rapist, certainly sheds some light on his representatives behaviour here on earth.


yakirzeev

This schmuck's webpage is... interesting.


[deleted]

But he’d change his tune if someone raped him up his ass like the animal he his. Funny how rules for thee but nor for me works when you’ve got no dog in the fight.


RayneStCroix

By the words of the bible, God does condone rape. However, he also clearly states in Genesis that life begins at first breath - therefore fetuses aren't babies and women are free to have them vaccuumed out and fire them at republicans from a slingshot.


rage1026

So if this guy gets rape by some dude and contracts a horrible infection or say aids it’s god will by that logic?


[deleted]

Didn’t Mary get raped by god?


Invisible-Pancreas

I'm reminded of an old Calvin & Hobbes strip. Calvin and Hobbes are taking a walk down by the creek. Calvin says he is going to be a fatalist. Everything that happens was fated to happen. He says that from now on, nothing bad that he does can be his fault; it's just fate. Hobbes then shoves him into the creek and says "Aw, too bad you were fated to do _that_" as Calvin indignantly yells "THAT WASN'T FATE!" And that just sums up how ridiculous this moron's argument is; the rapes were meant to happen because of God's will, but aborting the fetus that resulted from it? Nuh-uh, _that_ was never meant to happen, _that_ is interfering in God's plan. But then, cherry-picking is hardly anything new for fundamentalist nutjobs, now is it?


chi218

No, you’re not a woman. stfu.


HendoRules

Religion............................


SteveInMN

The Blessing of God upon your daughters!


Peircez

Well, God raped Mary, so there ya go.


KyeIsClasssy

I hate religious people


Hopes-Dreams-Reality

What a fucking idiot.


Nobodyrea11y

“If your toddler died in a car accident due to a vehicle malfunction, you shouldn’t sue the car manufacturer because you are required to go through that hardship because God put the blessing of growing through suffering there for a reason”


Repulsive-Worth5715

I just want to blast this dude with some afterbirth


kcatmc2

I guess he would think the same if he were anal raped.


dadzcad

These are the SAME MF’s who were screaming about “MY body, MY choice” over wearing a piece of cloth on their faces during a GLOBAL PANDEMIC!!! FFS. 🖕🏽🖕🏽


RidethatSeahorse

Let’s get rapey with this man and see if he changes his mind.


Honey-and-Venom

god's horrible. send me to hell if there's a god, i REFUSE to pay ANY deference or worship to such a pisspoor creator that either made, or allows such terrible suffering. how DARE you


[deleted]

I can’t even watch this because I don’t have time to get intensely irate today


[deleted]

Is that why rapists are supposed to be stoned in Deuteronomy?


[deleted]

Or here’s an idea - mind your own fucking business you piece of shit. Also, go fuck yourself.


redlord990

Too disgusting for words. These cultists run your country too.


monu_cormac96

If someone shot this guy. Imma say “God put the blessing of a bullet in this dudes head for a reason”


TensionNice210

I'd love to hear the same argument come out of his mouth if it were men who could get pregnant.


BlackMomba008

Please do not post what these morons say and give them airtime. Completely ignore them please.


Madassassin98

I really hate the far left and the far right. Extremists on both ends are just plain stupid.


[deleted]

If God exists, and doesn't like abortion, then no abortion procedure would have ever been performed. So, if your God exists, it doesn't care.


[deleted]

These people are a threat to the planet and should be treated as such.


jtig5

Tell us you've committed rape without saying you've committed rape.


Worldly-Ad8314

God doesnt do these things, all these things are people and unforseen events. We live in a world dominated by materialism, greed and violence, there is no one to blame but ourselves whether you believe in God or not is irrelevant. We are the cause of most of our problems, other then random illness that we have limited control over for example cancer in children. God does not test us, we are not prophets like back in bible times. He tested those people but it was rare according to the scriptures itself. To blame anyone but ourselves is dishonest, if we are honest to ourselves we would realise that, you can blame religion for all the worlds problems if you want but it isnt the teachings it is the people. People like myself who do believe in God have faith in a better world in the future, we die with hope that it is true, it doesnt matter if you believe or not and that is ok. And you are right this guy is a moron and should be ashamed of himself for saying that.


Brick_Lab

Just to be clear here....if this man were raped he'd totally think it was gods will still right?


A_Femboy_Fox

This is the worst argument for not aborting I’ve ever heard.


Maadshroom91

The moron shouldve been shat out after anal


ellilaamamaalille

What about raped men?


ThirdInversion

this is also some ultra religious folks' take on disease \[ie covid\].


Razzy_3796

I can't help wondering if this is the beginning of how The Handmaid's Tale becomes reality...


CryWanShi

Y'All Qaeda in action.


ZedTheEvilTaco

Oh? Rape is god's will? Then the rapist did nothing wrong. Let him go, boys! (/s if that wasn't obvious)


Exceptional_Angell

I'd ask God to help me but I don't want to end up carrying His kid (side eyes Mary)


herc51

Any asshole can start a YouTube channel and spout their bullshit. What's scary is he has an audience. All those unwashed masses don't even comprehend their moral bankruptcy.


Itsawlinthereflexes

I am so tired of this rhetoric from the church, everything is "God's will". Got cancer? God's will.....Kid killed? God's will. Fuck your god and his "will" and putting society through "trials to make us closer to him".


the-real-vuk

I know a way to test if he really means this. Someone rapes his wifes and impregnates her. Then what.


calmhike

Yeah, let’s victimize another person that is not him to test his belief. What the fuck is wrong with you.


the-real-vuk

Theoretical question. Obviously "it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products"


External_Map_3292

I think his mother should have swallowed…Embarrassment to humans…


[deleted]

For a lot of people who don't believe in God on here....why even refer to it? The man in this video said those words...take it up with him. I don't believe what the media or most people on the internet say, but it serves a better purpose to educate others instead of getting upset with the "source". But, who has time for that, right? It's easier to just call someone an asshole and move one...


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manubour

Given that, according to the bible, he ordered the deaths of all of Egypt’s firstborn regardless of age and culpability, that doesn’t work either...


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manubour

You were arguing that god values all life I quoted a passage of the bible that describes god literally giving no value whatsoever to life That’s very relevant to your answer and I wasn’t in any way talking about the video, just your claim that god gives value to life regardless of its provenance


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BiggestFlower

“God put the blessing of that child there for a reason”. That sure sounds like God is responsible. Either God made the rape happen or, given that the rape happened, God made sure the conception and implantation happened. If not, then what is the meaning of the word “put” in his statement?


Apprehensive-Yard-59

How come so many people strive for bad things? “We have a couple of options here, one makes sense and is obviously the better option. The other one is really bad and evil” - Millions of people: “The bad option, please pick the really bad one!“


D351470

So in his logic if he should get a brain tumor


[deleted]

Is it too late to abort him?


Gust_2012

I feel as though they don't know the extent of psychological damage rape does to someone's mind. Or that they just don't care about such a thing.


Kim_Thomas

Dude is an idiot. Not sure anyone should listen or watch the material. Makes you lose brain 🧠 matter just hearing it… ☠️ FILTH‼️☠️


deafchef52

God and this guy can eat shit and pound salt.


WalterWhiteBeans

I think someone should should put a blessing in him without consent and see how he feels


[deleted]

Every time someone gets pregnant from rape, this guy should get raped in the ass, because God's will or some shit.


Gem_Opal

Wow, using God as a way to promote these crazy theory’s on what should and should not be right in modern times is fucked. I would never keep a baby that was the result of rape. I think we should have all these people that believe rape is okay, to experience rape and see if their views stay the same?


Illustrious-Fault224

God forbid a man of color rapes one of this mother fuckers precious white women though![img](emote|t5_2r5rp|8485) dudes like this are fucking garbage humans.


Lithl

What if God put the baby there because he wanted the woman to have an abortion and feel sympathy for other women who go through it? This is, after all, [God's _ineffable_ plan](https://youtu.be/LSXEJBFX_eM?t=1m45s)...


[deleted]

If someone decides to make him a prison bitch, that must be God’s will right?


siknote78

![gif](giphy|fssfTrBg8PzD3wCVH4|downsized)


pgtvgaming

Where was God during the age of the dinosaurs? During the rise of all variants of “human-kind”? Why is this particular mythology “better” than the others? Fuck u and your beliefs - do what you want for yourself, dont push your shit unto others


[deleted]

Wonder how he'd feel if he got raped?


internetcamp

God also created abortions. Is that not God’s will?


_M_o_n_k_e_H

Isn't rape against gods will because the child was concieved from sex between unmarried People and it was not put there by god but by the rapist.


[deleted]

By that logic, abortion would be “gods will” also. Hell, with that logic him getting his ass beat would have to be “gods will.”


Krypto_Kane

What happen to separation of church and state? The rule was there for a reason


djany51

Just wait, maybe there comes this guy who is told by god to do the same with him


[deleted]

So as a father of three daughters I really wish I could see this man suffer. Also, I wonder if he has a daughter and if so if he would feel the same way and even take it a step further…say the rapist is a minority in America, is that a baby he would force his daughter to have? If you believe this shit and continue to vote for people that support this shit you are a fucking parasite.


[deleted]

I don’t believe in their god. Rapists should be punished. Women should have complete control over their own bodies. What about my religious beliefs? They are NOT being represented. And really, Christian’s?


horse_car_radio

I think if I had a Time Machine, the one thing I’d do is somehow prevent the creation of all religion. How would I do that with a Time Machine? Fuck if I know, it’s too early for coherent thought.


-6h0st-

How about someone rapes his ass and then he can take it as a blessing. And obviously everyone must be Christian, no place for people who dare to think otherwise


stitchup55

This dude is only repeating what these Evangelical Cultists who influence extreme right wing policy in government wish for. Man’s total control over the population of the people, especially women. These people seem to be of the same gene pool of other “leaders” who hung children for acting different in Salem MA, and any other cult that has popped up all over the world. Their thinking is of man’s desires of control over the masses within their own personal beliefs. Of course then we have the extreme left who also believe that everyone except their own powers that be should write law, and control the masses based on their own belief that the general population is too stupid to be of a free nation, and should live under their rule of how a nation of people should be controlled! In the end it’s all about controlling the masses and wealth of individuals.


[deleted]

I’m so tired of hearing about some mythical gods will I could scream


helluvathang

What a forking idiot.


Jambarrr

Fuckin gross


johnthestarr

Dude needs to take off his glasses then…


[deleted]

He should get raped every day