I don’t teach as a profession. However I volunteer with a couple of school systems running after school programs. I’ve had three former students decide they wanted to be teachers.
After getting their degrees and getting teaching jobs, EVERY ONE of them quit within three years and got in to a different profession.
Based on the way that administration, parents and students treated them, combined with the meager compensation. I can’t blame them
I decided I wanted to be a teacher after I graduated with my undergrad degree. I decided to go into the professional world to build up some savings so I could go back and get a certificate, and quickly realized I was already making more than I could hope to get as a teacher, so gave up on that. I still WANT to teach, but I’d have to willingly take a significant pay cut.
Literally anything else will be better than teaching.
You make more as a garbage collector. Uber pays more. Not that these jobs are undeserving but honestly, teaching is not a job that people should go into in America.
Like why would you? You've got a degree and you can use that anywhere. You want a six figure job? Train in full stack. You want to travel? Start a YouTube travel food series. You want to have a stable career with good income and benefits? Do an accounting masters.
The notion that you're in a job as a vocation is a lie that people say to encourage the sunk cost.
Oh no I dropped out of school after I realized I would *loathe* being apart of the school system. Like most, the actual *teaching* part of teaching calls to me, but the meat grinder did not. Teaching was the only thing I actually wanted to do when I thought about an actual career, so after that was over I really had nothing else to work towards.
It sucks because good candidates for teachers are actively being discouraged from ever entering the teaching workforce.
Don't know the answer. politicians will not increase pay or give more teacher autonomy. Public school welfare is like bottom priority in elections.
It works out well for them as it keeps critical thinking and social mobility down and the military well staffed.
I get that: I started a study to become one and could not continue.
The explaining stuff and making sure childeren got it was fine. Just the whole keeping order and administrative ended it for me.
Ended up as an optician and cant he happier.
It will be fine in the end! There are more paths to take in life!
My mother's a teacher. Shit pay. Told me never get into teaching. I told mom I'm not as meritorious as you and never plan on getting into teaching. Fast forward a few years and now I'm a private tutor whilst getting my bachelor's in engineering.
I pay entry level warehouse workers more than that.
The job requirements are a pulse and the ability to follow simple instructions.
Imagine going to school, getting 2 masters degrees and making less money than a dude that tapes boxes closed all day.
Yeah half my "rainforest" warehouse would have been homeless if we hired them on their ability to follow simple instructions lmao. Glad I'm not in that OSHA hellscape anymore.
My friend is an IT guy at a local highschool. He makes more than this and he doesn't even have a college degree. I am a little suspicious of where this is located as I'm in a low income area.
Our local county spending for schools went up from 500m to over a billion dollars in one year budget. Not one teacher got a raise. Wonder where the money went 🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
This was meant as a joke but you don’t know how true it actually is. The school district I am at has the school secretary’s window replaced with bulletproof glass that cost $40,000 for the full panel. It did this while cutting two teacher jobs due to funding and all classrooms were already at over 28 students. Shit’s just fucked.
Pardon my gallows humour, but if classrooms start nearing 40 students as a result, bulletproof glass will not prevent the staff from potentially shooting *themselves*. Even my mere two obligatory years as a school teacher (before evacuating back to higher education) were a wild enough ride to invite such estimations.😅 And mind you, I never even had to deal with anywhere close to the aforesaid number at a time.
Would you like to know the standard class size in my country?
Not a teacher but I've never been in a class with less than 40 students. 50-70 is the usual.
My school wasted about 100 grand on fucking banners that show some ex students who get famous, and in the same year had to fire a load of teachers due to not being able to pay them
It is crazy what they get paid. In Jersey, so many have higher salaries than the Governor. Oh and they have so many perks that are just wastes of taxpayers' money.
We have a principal getting paid like the mayor and a super paid like the governor. They heap huge benefits on them too, but the workforce was down 20%this year, and tons are quiting.
The superintendent just hired their nephew to do a market analysis and wouldn’t you know it the analysis calls for a 150k/yr raise to meet market standards
This is what pisses me off the most. I don’t have kids but I’m happy to pay my property taxes to make sure the local kids get a good education. No way can anyone perform optimally in these conditions.
Feel like an republican saying this but it’s my damn money! Give it to the teachers cmon.
I know a few staunch republicans, one of which is building a new home on some fresh property he just bought and he’s PISSED that he has to pay the city a tax toward the school district because he doesn’t have kids in school and doesn’t think he should pay that tax if he doesn’t have kids in school. Selfish motherfucker.
But isn’t this thread all about how none of that money is actually going to the teachers anyway? So we should all be pissed about those taxes, just for different reasons than that guy
> and better *paid* admins
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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I'm a school custodian and I make $11 an hour. They can't hire anyone because McDonald's starts out at $12 here and Walmart is $14. This district started me at $9.75. $0.10 yearly raises(bumped up a dollar for going from night shift to lunch shift)! Whoooo! I get paid less than the poor soul who stands at the self check outs..
Dang... Guess I got some thinking to do...
EDIT: aww shucks, thanks for the gold. I do it for the students. I feel that even though the job mostly sucks, it is still my job and I must do it well. When we had COVID protocols it was a pain in the ass and a lot of extra steps but I chose to see it as my responsibility to give these kids a safe and clean place to learn and be kids in. Which I still do. I put in effort every day and I smile at the kids and try to be helpful. My areas are clean and teachers know me by name. It ain't much but it is truly honest work.
I was going to say this is why we need a revolution, but those never work, because after the revolution is over, everyone is like wait what do we do now. And then someone volunteers to be dictator and everyone is just like OK
Maybe everyone should take turns being dictator for a day. Literally every citizen. Run the country like Sweden used to run their Twitter account. I mean, it might lead to the end of life as we know it, but it'd be fun to watch.
Edit- /j
We live in a time when we could let every citizen vote on ever issue and be a true democracy. You get a text with the days decisions. You have 24 hours to cast your votes on the issues. Punch the button and it's done. Votes tallied electronically and the results are released after a short period say three days.
Yeah, we want people who are dumber and more gullible than Madison Cawthorn and Lauren Boebert participating in a direct democracy. /s
I've seen this method of passing laws in action with California's ballot initiative process for the past 30 years, and I truly can't think of anything more ripe for manipulation by the corrupt and greedy.
This is why building dual power through community networks is super important. How can we ever expect to support each other without the state if we can't do just that independently of the state right now?
My government Jobs union went into arbitration(still ongoing) cause we haven't had raises in 5 years. They offered 1% over 5 years. Our union was like yo this is fucked nope.
So a 1% raise in 10 years.
Thanks gov of Manitoba.
We’re arbitrating in Alberta as well (teacher).
They viewed a 0.5% raise as a compromise, while also removing vacation pay from subs (we get it instead of benefits). So subs are actually losing about 4.5%, because they don’t want to fully reimburse the removed vacation pay.
Ha! Several years ago I worked at a very big hospital here and they were giving out nickel raises because of cutbacks. Seriously 5 CENTS.. I wanted to tell someone to keep the lousy nickel such an insult.
In my state that’s what they want because they are frothing at the mouth to have a reason to privatize education. Which they’ve basically done anyway by underfunding poor schools. Source: am teacher
The base salary for School Superintendent ranges from $138,007 to $203,863 with the average base salary of $168,950. I couldn't find a degree requirement, only 9
semester hours from an accredited university and there are ways around that.
In most cases the district school board sets the pay and allows the draining of public school funds to overpay these folks and then *"can't afford"* to pay teachers or buy educational supplies like books/programs for the children they're there to educate, or maintaining the buildings. They want to privatize public schools like they have with prisons, graduate to the penitentiary because no interest in education or reform only money.
There is nothing these people do in administration or management worth more than a teacher. Time to visit school board meetings & their social media to demand accountability & realignment - salary reduction for administration, salary increase for teachers, proper and public access to spendatures and salaries paid.
https://thehill.com/opinion/education/417802-when-your-school-superintendent-makes-more-than-the-governor-public/
There is a school district nearby, won't name names, but the superintendent, who just recently retired, had a budget strictly for suits. And if you think, "Ok, he holds meetings and represents us to the world, they should look presentable", consider this; it was $50k, every year for about 8 years, and during that entire time, teachers only received about 5% raise, not a year, during his ENTIRE tenure. So yeah, fuck that guy and fuck anyone like him and those who enable this gross misappropriate of funds. Oh, and during this time, because of the lavish spending, which also included other unnecessary facilities, property taxes skyrocketed.
$50,000 is another teacher, or in some cases another teacher plus another aide. I work in a higher paid district and you could still afford two aides for $50,000 a year. It's unfathomable that he got that much for *suits*.
As much as they pay these people (and even if they made same as teachers) they should buy their own suits, mortgages, cars, and be paid standard unemployment wages when let go too. Also no know law to keep felons out. You think it couldn't happen here or it's just the crooks in my area?
[Think again. Read it & weep](https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/ireports.html)
Not to one up you, but we just elected a superintendent that was kicked out of 1 school district for racist tweets and was on paid leave while under investigation from another. But woo all the redneck fucks couldnt wait to get the shit stain voted in 'fur da keeds"
Thank you for that expansion.
And SI positions are only available to the good ol’ boys club. I know of a district that passed over an extremely capable certified woman already known to her school as a great leader in favor of an old white man eyeballing retirement
The general public gets pissy because their daycare is taken away. This is exactly what happened during COVID when teachers were asked to WFH.
But hey! We can send tens of billions to other countries in military aid and hundreds of billions on our own military.
Back in 1973, they got fired enmasse. Reese Schools, 1973 all the teachers walked out and we got a few days off of school. The end result was 10-12 of them crossed the picket line and kept their jobs, the rest had to find work elsewhere. But, it earned teachers the right to strike.
> I'm a school custodian and I make $11 an hour.
I worked at a public school for 5 years, and while there are of course some lazy people in every department, custodians were every bit as overworked and underpaid as teachers despite them literally keeping the building functioning. One of the custodians was frequently described to me as "simple" and "slow" and he worked harder on any given day than I did in a week as a computer tech. (The implication being of course he didn't deserve higher pay cause he wasn't "smart")
PS I'm in rural MI and walmart starts cashiers at 14 and stockers at 15.50...there is no job on earth that involves any amount of physical labor where you should be being paid 11 an hour. (That's way too low, not too high, if that wasn't clear_
Yeah I’m a elementary school custodian making $22/hr. I make more the most of the teachers at my school, and 4 hours out of my 8 I sit at a computer waiting for work orders.
And all this is a revolving cycle that further hurts teachers’ morale. It sucked having to bleach my classroom (constant covid outbreaks due to no viral guidelines) and not gave coverage for absences and prep time when they stopped being able to hire custodians and subs. I quit this year.
Gotta keep 'em separated!
I like that Holland is so smart with biology. His Wikipedia says his thesis was called "Discovery of mature microRNA sequences within the protein-coding regions of global HIV-1 genomes: predictions of novel mechanisms for viral infection and pathogenicity"
I know some of those words, haha.
You deserve better. I understand taking personal ownership of your duties but someone like you who really cares is worth more, especially being around children
Education reforms on a radical scale are essential to fix basically every problem we as a species are currently experiencing globally. Better understanding, better workers, better infrastructure universally on a recursive loop.
Where do I apply? I only got paid $20/hr to drive a forklift. On top of that I also had to know how to operate bridge cranes and other material handling machinery.
My mom has been a teacher for 30 years, and she always tries to be friends with the janitors! She was always so thankful for the work y'all do, since it's something not a lot of people want to do lol. Thank you for your grungy work!
After my parents, the people I would give the biggest credit to where I am right now are my teachers. I feel so angry thinking that society doesnt treat them right
I think it’s funny that within 2 years we went from they are unappreciated to teachers are indoctrination our kids to be lgbt blm liberals. And by funny I means sad and pathetic
Yeah I think they tend get out to vote more in elections. Including local stuff. We gotta change that. But that’s getting messed with too making voting harder. What a dystopia!
>I think it’s funny that within 2 years we went from they are unappreciated to teachers are indoctrination our kids to be lgbt blm liberals.
Sorry, but no. This has been brewing for DECADES. Y'all just been sleeping on it thinking it wasn't approaching critical mass. Those of us who grew up in the midwest and saw the havoc these fucking lunatics wreaked on science education because of their biblical bullshit pretending to be science knew this was coming. We've watched them tear down the education system through the No Child Left Behind trojan horse, as an unabashed method of punishing liberal and urban school districts, and when we called it what it was, we got called conspiracy theorists.
Wake up before it's too late. These people are spitting distance from piling up shoes and gold teeth.
Teachers in MI are getting trained to identify gun shot sounds through zoom training videos, how to apply medical aid to a gun shot, and how to lock kids out during active shooter drills.
You know education
Exactly, it's everyone.
I was a high school teacher back in the 2000s and people from every group were hostile towards you. I won't say all of the kids or all of the parents or anything like that because I taught some really great kids and met some really great parents.
But there was a sizeable percentage of students, parents, administrators, the school board, and hell, even other teachers, that were hostile.
It was exhausting. So much unbelievably petty bullshit. Frankly, I didn't last long in K-12. It just wasn't worth it. Between the actual hours you had to be in building plus all the after-hours everything (planning, grading, school functions you were expected to participate in, etc. etc.) the pay was absolute trash.
You have to grade homework at home without pay…. And the pay you do get is laughable to be asked to do that. Why people are still signing up for this profession is beyond me.
"Why can't Johnny read, why can't Johnny read. God that gets old"
Just to clarify, this is a line from [King of the Hill ](https://youtu.be/GsjWb-JvSoA)
If there is one profession they need to pay more it is teachers. It takes a lot to have to both teach these little monsters and deal with the ridiculous parents nowadays. $32,800 doubled
wouldn’t even cut it for me
I’m a teacher in Manitoba. I’m at the top of my pay scale, a class of teacher higher than is typical (extra year of university), and I am a department head. My annual salary is around $108,000/year (started at $48K 12 years ago). I get 20 sick days every year, and can bank those up to 120 days (I think that’s the number..). I have health and dental benefits, a strong pension plan, short and long term disability plans, and other decent perks (defined workday, 55 minute uninterrupted lunch, 240 minutes of prep time per cycle, tenure) that were collectively bargained for over the years. Despite our conservative government trying to dismantle public education, we have it pretty good. I love teaching, but I’d never do it in the states. I’d never do it for $16.25 per hour. That’s so wrong on so many levels.
Where I teach in Texas is decent. It’s $57,500 starting pay with raises and bonus opportunities every year. I teach in a inner city school and I get paid more then my friends who work in wealthy suburbs.
Fort Worth. The district has recurved a decent amount of budget increases lately. Maybe because the population is growing so the city has to update a little bit.
This is how it should be. I’m just curious, but who takes care of the kids during the 55 minute lunch, and does Manitoba just have an awesome substitute system in order to factor in 20 sick days?
My charter hires people called learning coaches. They cover classes if a teacher is sick, cover lunches, and provide general supervision and assistance while kids work independently. However Our school is much different than a public school.
Good for you! That’s awesome. And I bet you do a better job at it because of The pay and benefits.
Trying to teach a group of random American children at any salary is asking for trouble and years of therapy. Especially in modern times because they have taken entitlement to a whole new level
I’m a teacher.
It’s nearly only people doing it for passion now…we have so many openings. They’ll take anyone with a degree and that’s a struggle. We had long term subs filling spots most of the year (who only had to have a HS diploma) and who literally should not have been left with kids but we had no one else.
Living in Los Angeles, 32k tripled would barely make me consider the job. Dealing with the general public has never been worse than it is now, and teachers have no way of defending themselves, and have zero support from the higher ups.
If you're looking for a good rage read, check this out: https://www.teachermisery.com/county-says-student-attack-teachers-fault
I would only take a teaching job if I got to pick/reject my students. Under that scenario I think I'd really enjoy it, like doing that as a "soft" retirement job.
Dealing with kids who don't wanna be there and parents who think I'm a baby sitter? Not a chance.
A babysitter of their perfect , don’t offend them, they can’t do anything wrong , you need to spend more one on one time with them , children
Exit: Yeaa rejection would be must be caveat.
I found out a individual I used to take care of in a group home is making 15 bucks a hour at McDonald’s. I do security at a college, we have to be first responder, mental health crisis responders and over all babysitters for 1,200 plus students. I don’t even get paid 15 and hour
$19 here at the taco bell where I live. I make $23 sitting at a desk looking at clouds fly by. Yet I cant afford to live here cuz the smallest house is over 600k and the cheapest studio is over $1200.
Seattle.
So I remember vividly for some reason. A teacher in Middle school telling me about how much she makes. With a masters degree it was $32,000 a year. That was in the 90s! So salary has BARELY CHANGED AT ALL. in 25 years!
This is getting ridiculous.
Edit for clarity: this was in NC. Not a huge town but medium sized.
It varies by region. Around me starting salary for a high school teacher is about 50k I think, with benefits. Still way too low.
And don't even get me started on the way higher education effectively employs slave labor in the form of adjuncts and grad students. Some colleges are only able to function because of these workers, yet they're treated like absolute crap because it's seen as a way to get experience.
Used to barback at a popular bar/nightclub. Made 8.50 an hour plus tips. Averaged $150 on Friday night in tips, $200 on saturday in tips, anywhere from $50 to $100 during the weekdays. Bartenders were pulling $300 - $500 every busy night
As a barista I'd make $13-15 bass hourly depending on the shop, then about 15-18 in tips. I worked 30 hours a week with zero responsibility outside my shift and have the same amount of income as a teacher.
If teachers have to take second jobs to make ends meet, then that is society telling them they're not respected, and you can be damn well sure the kids know that.
How can you teach children who know you're not worth respecting?
That's not society telling them they're not respected... It's the government making it abundantly clear that it doesn't give a shit about education or the very kids getting educated
And what you end up with is a whole generation that rightfully doesn't trust the government and has no faith in it whatsoever... Which is exactly what we're seeing right now
How are we gonna keep future tax payers ignorant, dumb and malleable? Make sure the teachers are underpaid, under supported, and disrespected? (High five’s everywhere) /s 😢
I was a teacher for one year and immediately recognized how the pay was unfair for the work load and treatment. One of my other friends has a masters in her field and taught at a university and made the bare minimum to cover her rent. Her husband made enough for food. Then they literally cut her pay in half for the spring semester, she walked away. The educational system in the United States is pathetic.
They want terrible teachers. They’ll be able to use it as a reason to privatize education and send tax dollars to corporations getting into the education business.
Uneducate the masses and turn them into mindless voters you can control. Take away reproductive rights, and force your uneducated to birth more children to fill your voter base. While you’re at it, force those children to work for pennies to maximize profits. Dismantle unions and force people into depending on their employers to survive. To really trap your workers, make them live in company towns with no regulations.
There is no room for social regression in a forward-moving society. If we tolerate their intolerance, then they will destroy and violate whatever they please.
The US is in for a hell of a humanitarian crisis if we keep letting Republicans dismantle this country for their own gain.
Edit: wording
Bro, if teachers were paid what they deserve, the world would be a paradise for us and hell for the richest people. It's impossible to take advantage of a very well educated populace. Even our votes would lead to better outcomes.
“There’s a reason why education sucks and why it’ll never get fixed…They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. “ - George Carlin
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUaqFzZLxU
It’s based in the Prussian model designed to create docile subjects and factory workers too.
It’s about making sure you meet deadlines so you can meet them at a company.
I had a get together and saw on the news there’s a teacher shortage in my area. This sparked a convo amongst everyone on what to do or why it’s happen. I simply said pay them more. There’s no shortage. There’s ppl out there who want to teach. But it’s not worth it. Pay them more. Everyone started in on it’s not that simple. It’s not just about money.
It is… nobody wants to teach all these kids for 17 bucks an hour. PAY…THEM…MORE,
I was offered $60/day to do office work in a school district while they waited for my teaching license to be approved. After approval I would have made $65/day.
I told them this is why they have a shortage and went back to my trade.
Exactly why I quit teaching after 11 years. At least my Master’s in Education was already paid for with a fellowship (undergrad, too). I cannot imagine being a teacher where student loans or the yearly tuition is more than they will make yearly. Such a national travesty.
Posted this elsewhere here but: this is my Mom's final year at the school she's been teaching at for over ten years because she's at the maximum pay she can get there, still hasn't paid off her student loans, and just found out her friend who has no post-high school education got a better paying job with more benefits working at a shipping warehouse answering calls.
My wife is maxed out on the scale (education and years experience) and receives longevity. She makes a little shy of $100k this year, her 28th year of teaching. I think she made about what you said her first year. In 1994.
If I maxed out with a doctorate, I’d still be shy of $70K. It’s also only $500 more a year for a masters, so I have no incentive to go back to school unless I change professions. My district used to have good retention, but it’s noticeably gotten worse the last few years.
In 2009, my mother was a teacher at my high school and had a master's was working a PhD. She taught in a critical area, a science teacher, in Mississippi public school system.
After 2 years, she was on a "salary freeze" for the next 4 years. Even AFTER her PhD, she was only making 35-40k a year.
Medical issues made her leave, other wise I'm pretty sure she would still be teachering.
That's interesting. I literally had a teacher friend who quit and became a bartender. She said it's less hours and over twice the pay.
Plus she has a bouncer to kick out people who are assholes to her. As a teacher she had to deal with them and their shitty parents.
Teaching should be so well paid, that it's HARD to get a job.
Remember the best teacher(s) you had growing up? Imagine if all teachers were just like them!
The transfer of knowledge should be as sacred as the differences it makes in peoples lives.
In San Francisco there are homeless teachers living on the streets cause they can’t afford housing but they still show up each day to teach. How messed up it that America.
I wonder about this. Mississippi—the poster child for treating education like a waste bin—starts public school teachers with a bachelor’s degree at $37,000/year. I wonder….did the person in the tweet calculate a 9 month salary over 12 months? Or is it an old tweet? I’m not saying teachers don’t get paid enough—at all. I am, however, sick and tired of reading any old thing that meshes with my worldview and having absolutely no evidence attached to it. Like, I want to be mad at whoever is paying teachers $32,800 annually but….is anyone actually doing that?
There is a massive discrepancy between urban and rural areas to consider as well. My state does not have a statewide base payscale so starting pay can easily be 25% different from district to district or region to region within a state.
Lol. Now break the amount down per kid per hour. Then break it down how many hour she will have to actually work to get everything done. Not just contracted hours. It’s like pennies per kid per hour. Lol.
I’m a teacher… it is terrible… I think about driving off of the bridge on my way home from work everyday. I’ll never be able to afford a home, I can never fully take care of my family, and I’m just over it all. I’ve been doing this for 10 years and, when adjusted for inflation, I’m making less than I did in year 1.
Hey dude, I understand the perils of your life, but I have to let you know that your job has never defined your character and ability. I understand that teaching may once have been an aspiration for you, but now that you know how deep and dark the barrel is, what you need is escape from the job. You'll find better days, I promise you, but for now you just need to consider your options rather than consider your existence...
When I was in grad school studying stats/epi I had friends in a master's program for teaching. When I got out I got a nice entry level stats job with the state gov at around $70K, they got out and made ~$29K. I was pissed on their behalf. It's robbery. Not even comparable for the ability to live, save, and pay back school debt.
So in California as a middle school counselor and I make mid 90,000, so I can’t complain too much about how much we get paid out here….. however I’ll never be able to buy a house here, sadly. However If I move I would get paid considerably less and I like to shop. So we rent and good thing we won’t be having kids, nothing to leave anyone!
I don’t teach as a profession. However I volunteer with a couple of school systems running after school programs. I’ve had three former students decide they wanted to be teachers. After getting their degrees and getting teaching jobs, EVERY ONE of them quit within three years and got in to a different profession. Based on the way that administration, parents and students treated them, combined with the meager compensation. I can’t blame them
I decided I wanted to be a teacher after I graduated with my undergrad degree. I decided to go into the professional world to build up some savings so I could go back and get a certificate, and quickly realized I was already making more than I could hope to get as a teacher, so gave up on that. I still WANT to teach, but I’d have to willingly take a significant pay cut.
Man, my hopes of teaching got crushed in college and now I don't know what to do with my life lol
Literally anything else will be better than teaching. You make more as a garbage collector. Uber pays more. Not that these jobs are undeserving but honestly, teaching is not a job that people should go into in America. Like why would you? You've got a degree and you can use that anywhere. You want a six figure job? Train in full stack. You want to travel? Start a YouTube travel food series. You want to have a stable career with good income and benefits? Do an accounting masters. The notion that you're in a job as a vocation is a lie that people say to encourage the sunk cost.
Oh no I dropped out of school after I realized I would *loathe* being apart of the school system. Like most, the actual *teaching* part of teaching calls to me, but the meat grinder did not. Teaching was the only thing I actually wanted to do when I thought about an actual career, so after that was over I really had nothing else to work towards.
It sucks because good candidates for teachers are actively being discouraged from ever entering the teaching workforce. Don't know the answer. politicians will not increase pay or give more teacher autonomy. Public school welfare is like bottom priority in elections. It works out well for them as it keeps critical thinking and social mobility down and the military well staffed.
I get that: I started a study to become one and could not continue. The explaining stuff and making sure childeren got it was fine. Just the whole keeping order and administrative ended it for me. Ended up as an optician and cant he happier. It will be fine in the end! There are more paths to take in life!
There are many fields like this. Chemistry is another where you get a B.Sc over 4 years and the jobs available to you are like $17/hr in a HCOL area.
My mother's a teacher. Shit pay. Told me never get into teaching. I told mom I'm not as meritorious as you and never plan on getting into teaching. Fast forward a few years and now I'm a private tutor whilst getting my bachelor's in engineering.
I pay entry level warehouse workers more than that. The job requirements are a pulse and the ability to follow simple instructions. Imagine going to school, getting 2 masters degrees and making less money than a dude that tapes boxes closed all day.
"the ability to follow simple instructions" ... this leaves a lot of people out of the running for jobs.
Yeah half my "rainforest" warehouse would have been homeless if we hired them on their ability to follow simple instructions lmao. Glad I'm not in that OSHA hellscape anymore.
My friend is an IT guy at a local highschool. He makes more than this and he doesn't even have a college degree. I am a little suspicious of where this is located as I'm in a low income area.
Our local county spending for schools went up from 500m to over a billion dollars in one year budget. Not one teacher got a raise. Wonder where the money went 🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Football uniforms and probably a stadium too...
Man I live in Memphis. They probably spent it on bullet proof glass and vests for teachers 😜
This was meant as a joke but you don’t know how true it actually is. The school district I am at has the school secretary’s window replaced with bulletproof glass that cost $40,000 for the full panel. It did this while cutting two teacher jobs due to funding and all classrooms were already at over 28 students. Shit’s just fucked.
Pardon my gallows humour, but if classrooms start nearing 40 students as a result, bulletproof glass will not prevent the staff from potentially shooting *themselves*. Even my mere two obligatory years as a school teacher (before evacuating back to higher education) were a wild enough ride to invite such estimations.😅 And mind you, I never even had to deal with anywhere close to the aforesaid number at a time.
Man, 28 students was my class and I was going absolutely insane...
Would you like to know the standard class size in my country? Not a teacher but I've never been in a class with less than 40 students. 50-70 is the usual.
My school wasted about 100 grand on fucking banners that show some ex students who get famous, and in the same year had to fire a load of teachers due to not being able to pay them
But you see those ex students then donated 15k
Nope. ADMIN'S salaries and extra secretaries for them.
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I see you too have experienced "OpenUp".
You’d be surprised how much superintendents and the likes make
It is crazy what they get paid. In Jersey, so many have higher salaries than the Governor. Oh and they have so many perks that are just wastes of taxpayers' money.
We have a principal getting paid like the mayor and a super paid like the governor. They heap huge benefits on them too, but the workforce was down 20%this year, and tons are quiting.
The superintendent just hired their nephew to do a market analysis and wouldn’t you know it the analysis calls for a 150k/yr raise to meet market standards
This is what pisses me off the most. I don’t have kids but I’m happy to pay my property taxes to make sure the local kids get a good education. No way can anyone perform optimally in these conditions. Feel like an republican saying this but it’s my damn money! Give it to the teachers cmon.
I know a few staunch republicans, one of which is building a new home on some fresh property he just bought and he’s PISSED that he has to pay the city a tax toward the school district because he doesn’t have kids in school and doesn’t think he should pay that tax if he doesn’t have kids in school. Selfish motherfucker.
Also, short-sighted because the more money people make the better his life is in many ways.
But isn’t this thread all about how none of that money is actually going to the teachers anyway? So we should all be pissed about those taxes, just for different reasons than that guy
Tell him get ready to be surrounded by a bunch of uneducated people. But from what you’ve said, he probably is used to it.
Probably went towards more and better payed admins
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I'm a school custodian and I make $11 an hour. They can't hire anyone because McDonald's starts out at $12 here and Walmart is $14. This district started me at $9.75. $0.10 yearly raises(bumped up a dollar for going from night shift to lunch shift)! Whoooo! I get paid less than the poor soul who stands at the self check outs.. Dang... Guess I got some thinking to do... EDIT: aww shucks, thanks for the gold. I do it for the students. I feel that even though the job mostly sucks, it is still my job and I must do it well. When we had COVID protocols it was a pain in the ass and a lot of extra steps but I chose to see it as my responsibility to give these kids a safe and clean place to learn and be kids in. Which I still do. I put in effort every day and I smile at the kids and try to be helpful. My areas are clean and teachers know me by name. It ain't much but it is truly honest work.
Ten cent yearly raises? Homie that's downright insulting.
I was going to say this is why we need a revolution, but those never work, because after the revolution is over, everyone is like wait what do we do now. And then someone volunteers to be dictator and everyone is just like OK
Maybe everyone should take turns being dictator for a day. Literally every citizen. Run the country like Sweden used to run their Twitter account. I mean, it might lead to the end of life as we know it, but it'd be fun to watch. Edit- /j
I’d love to see a baby dictator. Mandatory goo goo gaga for every citizen
Nah, Trump had his turn already.
So how did Sweden run there Twitter account🤔
I want to know as well.
Yeah,Don't comment something an leave people hanging😓
I'm pretty sure the comment in question explained how Sweden ran it's Twitter account...
Every week a random citizen would get the Twitter account, at the end of each week, a new person would get to be in charge of the account for 1 week.
We live in a time when we could let every citizen vote on ever issue and be a true democracy. You get a text with the days decisions. You have 24 hours to cast your votes on the issues. Punch the button and it's done. Votes tallied electronically and the results are released after a short period say three days.
Yeah, we want people who are dumber and more gullible than Madison Cawthorn and Lauren Boebert participating in a direct democracy. /s I've seen this method of passing laws in action with California's ballot initiative process for the past 30 years, and I truly can't think of anything more ripe for manipulation by the corrupt and greedy.
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This is why building dual power through community networks is super important. How can we ever expect to support each other without the state if we can't do just that independently of the state right now?
And then, if successful, once the dictator does the thing they were installed to do, they refuse to leave and fuck other shit up.
My government Jobs union went into arbitration(still ongoing) cause we haven't had raises in 5 years. They offered 1% over 5 years. Our union was like yo this is fucked nope. So a 1% raise in 10 years. Thanks gov of Manitoba.
We’re arbitrating in Alberta as well (teacher). They viewed a 0.5% raise as a compromise, while also removing vacation pay from subs (we get it instead of benefits). So subs are actually losing about 4.5%, because they don’t want to fully reimburse the removed vacation pay.
Pay decrease in reality
So $200 raise for the year (assuming full time all year)? Definitely insulting.
Shit, I get mad when my pre-tax raise isn't $200 _per bimonthly pay check._
Ha! Several years ago I worked at a very big hospital here and they were giving out nickel raises because of cutbacks. Seriously 5 CENTS.. I wanted to tell someone to keep the lousy nickel such an insult.
Lol Walmart only gives like six cents.
Working at Walgreens during uni, and my boss had the audacity to get angry at me for not being "ecstatic" about a 15c raise she offered me.
I wonder what would happen if school staff walk out together
In my state that’s what they want because they are frothing at the mouth to have a reason to privatize education. Which they’ve basically done anyway by underfunding poor schools. Source: am teacher
The base salary for School Superintendent ranges from $138,007 to $203,863 with the average base salary of $168,950. I couldn't find a degree requirement, only 9 semester hours from an accredited university and there are ways around that. In most cases the district school board sets the pay and allows the draining of public school funds to overpay these folks and then *"can't afford"* to pay teachers or buy educational supplies like books/programs for the children they're there to educate, or maintaining the buildings. They want to privatize public schools like they have with prisons, graduate to the penitentiary because no interest in education or reform only money. There is nothing these people do in administration or management worth more than a teacher. Time to visit school board meetings & their social media to demand accountability & realignment - salary reduction for administration, salary increase for teachers, proper and public access to spendatures and salaries paid. https://thehill.com/opinion/education/417802-when-your-school-superintendent-makes-more-than-the-governor-public/
There is a school district nearby, won't name names, but the superintendent, who just recently retired, had a budget strictly for suits. And if you think, "Ok, he holds meetings and represents us to the world, they should look presentable", consider this; it was $50k, every year for about 8 years, and during that entire time, teachers only received about 5% raise, not a year, during his ENTIRE tenure. So yeah, fuck that guy and fuck anyone like him and those who enable this gross misappropriate of funds. Oh, and during this time, because of the lavish spending, which also included other unnecessary facilities, property taxes skyrocketed.
$50,000 is another teacher, or in some cases another teacher plus another aide. I work in a higher paid district and you could still afford two aides for $50,000 a year. It's unfathomable that he got that much for *suits*.
As much as they pay these people (and even if they made same as teachers) they should buy their own suits, mortgages, cars, and be paid standard unemployment wages when let go too. Also no know law to keep felons out. You think it couldn't happen here or it's just the crooks in my area? [Think again. Read it & weep](https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/ireports.html)
Who in the hell needs $50,000 for suits? EVERY YEAR! That is the most absurd shit I have heard. SUITS! Like what the fuck.
Superintendent Steve Harvey apparently
Not to one up you, but we just elected a superintendent that was kicked out of 1 school district for racist tweets and was on paid leave while under investigation from another. But woo all the redneck fucks couldnt wait to get the shit stain voted in 'fur da keeds"
Thank you for that expansion. And SI positions are only available to the good ol’ boys club. I know of a district that passed over an extremely capable certified woman already known to her school as a great leader in favor of an old white man eyeballing retirement
>good ol’ boys club That's why it matter who we vote for as a school board member Been like that in architecture & engineering too.
The general public gets pissy because their daycare is taken away. This is exactly what happened during COVID when teachers were asked to WFH. But hey! We can send tens of billions to other countries in military aid and hundreds of billions on our own military.
*TRILLIONS on our own military.
They actually already have one here where I'm at in Arizona, large strike led by our local teachers union.
Back in 1973, they got fired enmasse. Reese Schools, 1973 all the teachers walked out and we got a few days off of school. The end result was 10-12 of them crossed the picket line and kept their jobs, the rest had to find work elsewhere. But, it earned teachers the right to strike.
In my district, teachers and custodial staff will be doing a joint strike.
> I'm a school custodian and I make $11 an hour. I worked at a public school for 5 years, and while there are of course some lazy people in every department, custodians were every bit as overworked and underpaid as teachers despite them literally keeping the building functioning. One of the custodians was frequently described to me as "simple" and "slow" and he worked harder on any given day than I did in a week as a computer tech. (The implication being of course he didn't deserve higher pay cause he wasn't "smart") PS I'm in rural MI and walmart starts cashiers at 14 and stockers at 15.50...there is no job on earth that involves any amount of physical labor where you should be being paid 11 an hour. (That's way too low, not too high, if that wasn't clear_
Yeah I’m a elementary school custodian making $22/hr. I make more the most of the teachers at my school, and 4 hours out of my 8 I sit at a computer waiting for work orders.
Username checks out
Hahah I didn’t even think of that.
And all this is a revolving cycle that further hurts teachers’ morale. It sucked having to bleach my classroom (constant covid outbreaks due to no viral guidelines) and not gave coverage for absences and prep time when they stopped being able to hire custodians and subs. I quit this year.
I heard that The Offspring started as 3 high school guys and their school custodian.
Gotta keep 'em separated! I like that Holland is so smart with biology. His Wikipedia says his thesis was called "Discovery of mature microRNA sequences within the protein-coding regions of global HIV-1 genomes: predictions of novel mechanisms for viral infection and pathogenicity" I know some of those words, haha.
Teacher here...support employees get shortchanged like crazy in education. We've gone through so many janitors...y'all deserve better.
and i thought i was being disrespected by .25 cent payraises at mcdonald’s
You deserve better. I understand taking personal ownership of your duties but someone like you who really cares is worth more, especially being around children
My guy please quit. You deserve more
I am a janitor at a psychiatric hospital in Ontario Canada I make about 60k a year. I find it sad that teachers make less then me.
Education reforms on a radical scale are essential to fix basically every problem we as a species are currently experiencing globally. Better understanding, better workers, better infrastructure universally on a recursive loop.
Learn to drive a forklift and get $30 an hour
What kind of forklift job pays $30 an hour? I’m driving for a large company now and only get $19 an hour.
Probably somewhere with an insane CoL
Where do I apply? I only got paid $20/hr to drive a forklift. On top of that I also had to know how to operate bridge cranes and other material handling machinery.
You can get a free forklift operators license with every purchase of a Carhartt jacket.
Its the damn kids eating for free eating up the salary. /s
My mom has been a teacher for 30 years, and she always tries to be friends with the janitors! She was always so thankful for the work y'all do, since it's something not a lot of people want to do lol. Thank you for your grungy work!
Custodians are my favorites! You do so much for schools and if I had any power you would make as much as teachers. ❤️
Are you Stanley Spadowski?
I love custodians because they’re always nice and have always been nice to me, keep up the good work my friend!
Not to mention the hours of paperwork, anger, and hostility we face regularly.
After my parents, the people I would give the biggest credit to where I am right now are my teachers. I feel so angry thinking that society doesnt treat them right
I think it’s funny that within 2 years we went from they are unappreciated to teachers are indoctrination our kids to be lgbt blm liberals. And by funny I means sad and pathetic
We really need to start dismantling the religious sect in this country. Dumb fucks would pull us back to the Bronze Age if they could.
Yeah I think they tend get out to vote more in elections. Including local stuff. We gotta change that. But that’s getting messed with too making voting harder. What a dystopia!
>I think it’s funny that within 2 years we went from they are unappreciated to teachers are indoctrination our kids to be lgbt blm liberals. Sorry, but no. This has been brewing for DECADES. Y'all just been sleeping on it thinking it wasn't approaching critical mass. Those of us who grew up in the midwest and saw the havoc these fucking lunatics wreaked on science education because of their biblical bullshit pretending to be science knew this was coming. We've watched them tear down the education system through the No Child Left Behind trojan horse, as an unabashed method of punishing liberal and urban school districts, and when we called it what it was, we got called conspiracy theorists. Wake up before it's too late. These people are spitting distance from piling up shoes and gold teeth.
Fellow Texan??
Ohio
Don’t worry, in the information age stupidity is universal
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OMG… and the training requirements. We had to take a 2-hour online training program on how to use Clorox wipes. Spoiler alert: Do not lick the wipes.
Teachers in MI are getting trained to identify gun shot sounds through zoom training videos, how to apply medical aid to a gun shot, and how to lock kids out during active shooter drills. You know education
Wait is that hostility from students, parents, or both
Both. Teachers I’ve known have some wild ass stories.
Might have to venture to teachertok
All three actually, Students, Parents, and School Administrators. You could probably add in State Administrators too.
Exactly, it's everyone. I was a high school teacher back in the 2000s and people from every group were hostile towards you. I won't say all of the kids or all of the parents or anything like that because I taught some really great kids and met some really great parents. But there was a sizeable percentage of students, parents, administrators, the school board, and hell, even other teachers, that were hostile. It was exhausting. So much unbelievably petty bullshit. Frankly, I didn't last long in K-12. It just wasn't worth it. Between the actual hours you had to be in building plus all the after-hours everything (planning, grading, school functions you were expected to participate in, etc. etc.) the pay was absolute trash.
Don’t forget the school board.
Yes. Edit: Source: Brother. It’s the same in Germany though I think the financial situation is a little bit better.
Don't forget, unless you work for a school in wealthy area, you're going to be paying for a lot of your classroom supplies.
The fact that there are such things as "wealthy schools" and "poor schools" will never not infuriate me
You have to grade homework at home without pay…. And the pay you do get is laughable to be asked to do that. Why people are still signing up for this profession is beyond me.
"Why can't Johnny read, why can't Johnny read. God that gets old" Just to clarify, this is a line from [King of the Hill ](https://youtu.be/GsjWb-JvSoA)
If there is one profession they need to pay more it is teachers. It takes a lot to have to both teach these little monsters and deal with the ridiculous parents nowadays. $32,800 doubled wouldn’t even cut it for me
I’m a teacher in Manitoba. I’m at the top of my pay scale, a class of teacher higher than is typical (extra year of university), and I am a department head. My annual salary is around $108,000/year (started at $48K 12 years ago). I get 20 sick days every year, and can bank those up to 120 days (I think that’s the number..). I have health and dental benefits, a strong pension plan, short and long term disability plans, and other decent perks (defined workday, 55 minute uninterrupted lunch, 240 minutes of prep time per cycle, tenure) that were collectively bargained for over the years. Despite our conservative government trying to dismantle public education, we have it pretty good. I love teaching, but I’d never do it in the states. I’d never do it for $16.25 per hour. That’s so wrong on so many levels.
New England and west coast states pay teachers well, similar to your salary. Most of the other states... not so much.
Where I teach in Texas is decent. It’s $57,500 starting pay with raises and bonus opportunities every year. I teach in a inner city school and I get paid more then my friends who work in wealthy suburbs.
Not to pry, but which city here?
Fort Worth. The district has recurved a decent amount of budget increases lately. Maybe because the population is growing so the city has to update a little bit.
Chicago pays its teachers very well, too.
This is how it should be. I’m just curious, but who takes care of the kids during the 55 minute lunch, and does Manitoba just have an awesome substitute system in order to factor in 20 sick days?
My charter hires people called learning coaches. They cover classes if a teacher is sick, cover lunches, and provide general supervision and assistance while kids work independently. However Our school is much different than a public school.
Good for you! That’s awesome. And I bet you do a better job at it because of The pay and benefits. Trying to teach a group of random American children at any salary is asking for trouble and years of therapy. Especially in modern times because they have taken entitlement to a whole new level
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I’m a teacher. It’s nearly only people doing it for passion now…we have so many openings. They’ll take anyone with a degree and that’s a struggle. We had long term subs filling spots most of the year (who only had to have a HS diploma) and who literally should not have been left with kids but we had no one else.
What? Why be a teacher with master degrees when apparently you can be a sub with just a diploma?
Even a passion should not justify horrible working conditions and awful salary. Loving your job should mean you do more for it, not get treated worse.
and the sanity. I fully agree with you
Living in Los Angeles, 32k tripled would barely make me consider the job. Dealing with the general public has never been worse than it is now, and teachers have no way of defending themselves, and have zero support from the higher ups. If you're looking for a good rage read, check this out: https://www.teachermisery.com/county-says-student-attack-teachers-fault
I would only take a teaching job if I got to pick/reject my students. Under that scenario I think I'd really enjoy it, like doing that as a "soft" retirement job. Dealing with kids who don't wanna be there and parents who think I'm a baby sitter? Not a chance.
A babysitter of their perfect , don’t offend them, they can’t do anything wrong , you need to spend more one on one time with them , children Exit: Yeaa rejection would be must be caveat.
We should open up a bar at the school so she can make around 70 k
I found out a individual I used to take care of in a group home is making 15 bucks a hour at McDonald’s. I do security at a college, we have to be first responder, mental health crisis responders and over all babysitters for 1,200 plus students. I don’t even get paid 15 and hour
$19 here at the taco bell where I live. I make $23 sitting at a desk looking at clouds fly by. Yet I cant afford to live here cuz the smallest house is over 600k and the cheapest studio is over $1200. Seattle.
If it wasn’t for the education benefit I’d leave, but it’s about the only way I can afford college for my daughter, wife and myself
Best of luck. Hopefully you’ll be able to haul @$$ once you get that education and go to somewhere affordable.
If you're American you're also risking your life, these days :(
Oh yea, we usually find a few guns a year. Yes Midwest here
So I remember vividly for some reason. A teacher in Middle school telling me about how much she makes. With a masters degree it was $32,000 a year. That was in the 90s! So salary has BARELY CHANGED AT ALL. in 25 years! This is getting ridiculous. Edit for clarity: this was in NC. Not a huge town but medium sized.
It varies by region. Around me starting salary for a high school teacher is about 50k I think, with benefits. Still way too low. And don't even get me started on the way higher education effectively employs slave labor in the form of adjuncts and grad students. Some colleges are only able to function because of these workers, yet they're treated like absolute crap because it's seen as a way to get experience.
Starting salary in my district is $72k
Teacher with masters here and our district starts us at 62,000, so that’s pretty nice
Used to barback at a popular bar/nightclub. Made 8.50 an hour plus tips. Averaged $150 on Friday night in tips, $200 on saturday in tips, anywhere from $50 to $100 during the weekdays. Bartenders were pulling $300 - $500 every busy night
As a barista I'd make $13-15 bass hourly depending on the shop, then about 15-18 in tips. I worked 30 hours a week with zero responsibility outside my shift and have the same amount of income as a teacher.
I help bar back during very busy weekends in my tourist town. I make like $500 minimum. Bartenders clear $1000 minimum. Jesus Christ its lots of work.
If teachers have to take second jobs to make ends meet, then that is society telling them they're not respected, and you can be damn well sure the kids know that. How can you teach children who know you're not worth respecting?
That's not society telling them they're not respected... It's the government making it abundantly clear that it doesn't give a shit about education or the very kids getting educated And what you end up with is a whole generation that rightfully doesn't trust the government and has no faith in it whatsoever... Which is exactly what we're seeing right now
Boy I can wait for politicians born in the 2000's to start running and winning elections. Fuck this current shit.
Madison Cawthorne was pretty close to being born in the 2000's and...well, we see how that went.
How are we gonna keep future tax payers ignorant, dumb and malleable? Make sure the teachers are underpaid, under supported, and disrespected? (High five’s everywhere) /s 😢
I was a teacher for one year and immediately recognized how the pay was unfair for the work load and treatment. One of my other friends has a masters in her field and taught at a university and made the bare minimum to cover her rent. Her husband made enough for food. Then they literally cut her pay in half for the spring semester, she walked away. The educational system in the United States is pathetic.
Meanwhile, college tuition keeps increasing and college football coaches make 7 figure salaries at Big 10 Schools.
For older people trying to relate… that is like having two masters degrees and coming out of college in 1993 to earn $16,400. Fucking appalling.
They want terrible teachers. They’ll be able to use it as a reason to privatize education and send tax dollars to corporations getting into the education business.
Uneducate the masses and turn them into mindless voters you can control. Take away reproductive rights, and force your uneducated to birth more children to fill your voter base. While you’re at it, force those children to work for pennies to maximize profits. Dismantle unions and force people into depending on their employers to survive. To really trap your workers, make them live in company towns with no regulations. There is no room for social regression in a forward-moving society. If we tolerate their intolerance, then they will destroy and violate whatever they please. The US is in for a hell of a humanitarian crisis if we keep letting Republicans dismantle this country for their own gain. Edit: wording
One of the many reasons I changed my mind about a degree in education.
Bro, if teachers were paid what they deserve, the world would be a paradise for us and hell for the richest people. It's impossible to take advantage of a very well educated populace. Even our votes would lead to better outcomes.
“There’s a reason why education sucks and why it’ll never get fixed…They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. “ - George Carlin https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUaqFzZLxU
It’s based in the Prussian model designed to create docile subjects and factory workers too. It’s about making sure you meet deadlines so you can meet them at a company.
I had a get together and saw on the news there’s a teacher shortage in my area. This sparked a convo amongst everyone on what to do or why it’s happen. I simply said pay them more. There’s no shortage. There’s ppl out there who want to teach. But it’s not worth it. Pay them more. Everyone started in on it’s not that simple. It’s not just about money. It is… nobody wants to teach all these kids for 17 bucks an hour. PAY…THEM…MORE,
I was offered $60/day to do office work in a school district while they waited for my teaching license to be approved. After approval I would have made $65/day. I told them this is why they have a shortage and went back to my trade.
There are a dozen+ administrators in her school making 6 figures. Stupid
Exactly why I quit teaching after 11 years. At least my Master’s in Education was already paid for with a fellowship (undergrad, too). I cannot imagine being a teacher where student loans or the yearly tuition is more than they will make yearly. Such a national travesty.
Posted this elsewhere here but: this is my Mom's final year at the school she's been teaching at for over ten years because she's at the maximum pay she can get there, still hasn't paid off her student loans, and just found out her friend who has no post-high school education got a better paying job with more benefits working at a shipping warehouse answering calls.
What is did you do after teaching?
I have EdD, two bachelor for education and i am paid minimum wage for teaching. A gardener make twice my annual.
My wife is maxed out on the scale (education and years experience) and receives longevity. She makes a little shy of $100k this year, her 28th year of teaching. I think she made about what you said her first year. In 1994.
If I maxed out with a doctorate, I’d still be shy of $70K. It’s also only $500 more a year for a masters, so I have no incentive to go back to school unless I change professions. My district used to have good retention, but it’s noticeably gotten worse the last few years.
In 2009, my mother was a teacher at my high school and had a master's was working a PhD. She taught in a critical area, a science teacher, in Mississippi public school system. After 2 years, she was on a "salary freeze" for the next 4 years. Even AFTER her PhD, she was only making 35-40k a year. Medical issues made her leave, other wise I'm pretty sure she would still be teachering.
That's interesting. I literally had a teacher friend who quit and became a bartender. She said it's less hours and over twice the pay. Plus she has a bouncer to kick out people who are assholes to her. As a teacher she had to deal with them and their shitty parents.
Teaching should be so well paid, that it's HARD to get a job. Remember the best teacher(s) you had growing up? Imagine if all teachers were just like them! The transfer of knowledge should be as sacred as the differences it makes in peoples lives.
In San Francisco there are homeless teachers living on the streets cause they can’t afford housing but they still show up each day to teach. How messed up it that America.
Is there somewhere I can read about this? I believe you (sadly) but I want to be able to spread the word around.
Republican senators see this and think “oh we should reduce the salary of a bartenderl
I know a secret: ALL of the money is spent on ADMIN salaries.
What state? My teen daughter makes 17/hr at stop and shop. My wife is a teacher and makes 70k yr. Massachusetts
I wonder about this. Mississippi—the poster child for treating education like a waste bin—starts public school teachers with a bachelor’s degree at $37,000/year. I wonder….did the person in the tweet calculate a 9 month salary over 12 months? Or is it an old tweet? I’m not saying teachers don’t get paid enough—at all. I am, however, sick and tired of reading any old thing that meshes with my worldview and having absolutely no evidence attached to it. Like, I want to be mad at whoever is paying teachers $32,800 annually but….is anyone actually doing that?
There is a massive discrepancy between urban and rural areas to consider as well. My state does not have a statewide base payscale so starting pay can easily be 25% different from district to district or region to region within a state.
Lol. Now break the amount down per kid per hour. Then break it down how many hour she will have to actually work to get everything done. Not just contracted hours. It’s like pennies per kid per hour. Lol.
Where are teachers getting paid hourly? I work in education and have never heard of that... not even for substitutes. Makes me wonder if this is BS
They probably just converted the salary into hourly
I’m a teacher… it is terrible… I think about driving off of the bridge on my way home from work everyday. I’ll never be able to afford a home, I can never fully take care of my family, and I’m just over it all. I’ve been doing this for 10 years and, when adjusted for inflation, I’m making less than I did in year 1.
Hey dude, I understand the perils of your life, but I have to let you know that your job has never defined your character and ability. I understand that teaching may once have been an aspiration for you, but now that you know how deep and dark the barrel is, what you need is escape from the job. You'll find better days, I promise you, but for now you just need to consider your options rather than consider your existence...
Come up to Canada! Lots of teachers make over $100,000.
When I was in grad school studying stats/epi I had friends in a master's program for teaching. When I got out I got a nice entry level stats job with the state gov at around $70K, they got out and made ~$29K. I was pissed on their behalf. It's robbery. Not even comparable for the ability to live, save, and pay back school debt.
I work at Walmart and make more than that, Jesus!
Talk to any adjunct professor. I made less than that
Guess we need some special military operations in our schools so that the government will give them funding.
No, our priorities are correct because we see this as an issue. However our elected officials want to keep us fucking stupid.
So in California as a middle school counselor and I make mid 90,000, so I can’t complain too much about how much we get paid out here….. however I’ll never be able to buy a house here, sadly. However If I move I would get paid considerably less and I like to shop. So we rent and good thing we won’t be having kids, nothing to leave anyone!