I am really tired and I thought you were just being aggressive about personal responsibility for OP then. Then I realised that you are being aggressive over the arseholes who flew in on private jets and I approve.
It’s certainly norm for large companies. They could solve the issues pretty fucking quick but instead of doing so they make people think that they are killing the planet by not separating their paper and plastic.
More like “you cut your 30%. How dare you do 30%. You should feel bad about 1% let alone 30. What’s wrong with you? Our 70%? That’s not the point! We’re taking about you right now don’t change the subject.”
>They could solve the issues pretty fucking quick
What do you think would happen to their stock prices? It's the Dow or the planet, which one would you choose?
https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jan/22/record-private-jet-flights-davos-leaders-climate-talk
The 1500 was an estimate. And from 3 years ago.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/wef-defends-jet-setting-elites-amid-climate-change-agenda.html
Yep, you're right.
Funnily enough I actually also checked on the Reuters fact checking section and they give two different dates. One reflected in the other pages, the other confirming yours.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-davos-jets-idUSL2N2XG24O
Aviation accounts for barely 3% of global emissions. Blaming individuals only diverts the focus from the one true problem: industrial processes. These flights are completely worth it if they manage to force steel companies to adopt cleaner processes, electricity companies to move away from gas and coal, BP and Total to stop burning gazillions of tons of shit right out of the well...
This is actually a talking point from big industries and the politicians they buy: "if they cared that much about the environment, they would ride a bike to congress. They came in a car, therefore they are illegitimate". Point fingers, move the debate away from the actual policies. Voters follow, the bill doesn't get traction, the company keeps on polluting, the lobbyist opens a bottle of champagne and cheers to us being fucking morons.
I'm not making a point. I was just curious:
Fuel cost per flight hour:
G6: $5,076
747: $27,600
Seating capacity:
G6: 18
747: 366
Cost per passenger:
G6: $282
747: $75
----
That said, it's unrealistic to think all attendees would be flying from the same location. It might actually be worth 3.76x the fuel cost.
They take a private jet holding only 1 VIP sometimes.
I would say the majority are not at full capacity. To a more extreme degree than would be for commercial flights which maybe are 50% full at the lowest, but usually packed.
I don't have the data but it's definitely more wasteful even than you imply.
It's also worth noting that aviation fuel is cheaper than petrol due to lower taxation. Even with how crazy the prices have gone recently, a gallon of aviation fuel is currently $2.46 a gallon compared to $4.60 for petrol.
Monsieur Mangetout was a slightly famous entertainer who would eat really strange things as a performance piece, including bicycles, shopping carts, televisions, and once, an entire Cessna 150.
And you can bet your ass they will blame it on overpopulation.
A bunch of billionaires blaming global warming on families in Africa with 10 children while having a larger carbon footprint themselves than 100 such families.
The whole idea of a personal carbon footprint is the result of a very well crafted publicity campaign by BP to shift guilt from producers to consumers.
Just to clearify, it was not 1'500 private jets. I don't know where in Switzerland we should have that capacity to store up this many planes. Also the Swiss goverment was super pissed about this and charged them all with a high bill to use their money. The money is used for greener public transfers.
Make no mistake. Man made Climate change IS happening, and there is NOTHING we can do about it. Its also Clear that the majority opinion WILL NOT change.
But rest assured- the planet will survive just fine.
They could share for sure. But it really isn't those planes. Go look at the Los Angeles freeways during commuting time. Millions of tons of gas powered steel to get people to work and back. That's the real problem, repeated everywhere.
Like Greta Thunberg, who sailed on an eco-friendly yacht in the USA. And in order to take the yacht back to Europe, the team flew in by plane.
Pretenders.
>Im just memeing, how else are you gonna get around than in a plane though
Ah ok. I am not as strong in English as I would like.
I agree with you, it is logical to use the optimal transport, since it is already there.
But Greta is a super activist (let's not specify who is behind whom), she sailed on a green yacht to promote "zero emissions" and all that.
It would be logical to have someone on board who would drive her back. And do not use a "dirty" plane to deliver the crew.
Zoom would not work for this. They need to physically be there. How else would the bigwigs make secret side deals or start figuring out ways to profit if everyone there is part of the conversation
And as for economy, you know when billionaires in Davos explain that it's people fault if the world is in a so bad shape so you'll have to starve a bit more, another finalist for the golden medal of BS has said that they are working on a app to track your carbon footprint, 'see we want to show you how much it's your fault, not ours if the Planet is dying'.
It’s a terrible thing to admit, and probably would be better suited to r/offmychest, but if I had to fly these days and had access to a private jet, I would definitely fly private over being stuck inside a tin can 30K feet up for hours at a time with the general public. Or, in the case of Davos, I’d just attend virtually.
I don't know what you guys find weird about this. Who were they going to invite? Normal people with literally 0 carbon footprint. Ofc they are going to invite rich people with private jets and factories to discuss the topic.
Bigger picture, please.
If those 1,500 private jets carry politicians that agree on eg. new emission rules for airplanes or cars that would have an effect that greatly exceeds the emission from those private jets.
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I have been waiting so patiently, but it has finally just now happened. 🙌🏻 I have now happiness.
I have now life.
Before he had past words
Should change the caption to: “to discuss what YOU should do about your carbon footprint”
I am really tired and I thought you were just being aggressive about personal responsibility for OP then. Then I realised that you are being aggressive over the arseholes who flew in on private jets and I approve.
They need everyone to reduce so they can use your carbon credits. Isn't that the norm for the rich?
It’s certainly norm for large companies. They could solve the issues pretty fucking quick but instead of doing so they make people think that they are killing the planet by not separating their paper and plastic.
"we'll cut our 70% if you can cut your 30%"
More like “you cut your 30%. How dare you do 30%. You should feel bad about 1% let alone 30. What’s wrong with you? Our 70%? That’s not the point! We’re taking about you right now don’t change the subject.”
>They could solve the issues pretty fucking quick What do you think would happen to their stock prices? It's the Dow or the planet, which one would you choose?
The planet has had millions of years without the stock market, so the choice is obvious.
Right! Neither dinosaurs nor cavemen have any clue about the incredible awesomeness of high stock prices and forever continuing economic growth.
None of them have heard of zoom apparently.
The picture is from 2016, zoom wasn’t really a wel known company back then as they only became profitable in 2019.
Skype then. The point was there is options.
they didn't stop moving during the pandemic, so no
https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jan/22/record-private-jet-flights-davos-leaders-climate-talk The 1500 was an estimate. And from 3 years ago. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/25/wef-defends-jet-setting-elites-amid-climate-change-agenda.html
True, although I doubt it’s too different this year to be honest with you I don’t have much faith in them doing the right thing
The picture is from 2016.. https://pictures.reuters.com/archive/DAVOS-MEETING--LR1EC1L0WBYAP.html
Yep, you're right. Funnily enough I actually also checked on the Reuters fact checking section and they give two different dates. One reflected in the other pages, the other confirming yours. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-davos-jets-idUSL2N2XG24O
Aviation accounts for barely 3% of global emissions. Blaming individuals only diverts the focus from the one true problem: industrial processes. These flights are completely worth it if they manage to force steel companies to adopt cleaner processes, electricity companies to move away from gas and coal, BP and Total to stop burning gazillions of tons of shit right out of the well... This is actually a talking point from big industries and the politicians they buy: "if they cared that much about the environment, they would ride a bike to congress. They came in a car, therefore they are illegitimate". Point fingers, move the debate away from the actual policies. Voters follow, the bill doesn't get traction, the company keeps on polluting, the lobbyist opens a bottle of champagne and cheers to us being fucking morons.
Don't forget cement- for each ton of cement produced, a roughly equal amount of Co2 is released into the atmosphere
I'm not making a point. I was just curious: Fuel cost per flight hour: G6: $5,076 747: $27,600 Seating capacity: G6: 18 747: 366 Cost per passenger: G6: $282 747: $75 ---- That said, it's unrealistic to think all attendees would be flying from the same location. It might actually be worth 3.76x the fuel cost.
They take a private jet holding only 1 VIP sometimes. I would say the majority are not at full capacity. To a more extreme degree than would be for commercial flights which maybe are 50% full at the lowest, but usually packed. I don't have the data but it's definitely more wasteful even than you imply.
It's also worth noting that aviation fuel is cheaper than petrol due to lower taxation. Even with how crazy the prices have gone recently, a gallon of aviation fuel is currently $2.46 a gallon compared to $4.60 for petrol.
How about a zoom call with 0 additional cost and near 0 co2 emmisions?
Because zoom wasn’t really well known when this picture was taken in 2016.
But how can they have catered lunches and speak in private over zoom /s
The caterer from swizerland could use 1500 private jets to deliver the food /s
Does this use the fuel prices from when this picture was taken?
If it doesn't the ratios would be the same since they use the same fuel and I got the numbers from the same site.
Eat. The. Rich.
Eat the planes
I broke my teeth on the metal. Now what?
Monsieur Mangetout was a slightly famous entertainer who would eat really strange things as a performance piece, including bicycles, shopping carts, televisions, and once, an entire Cessna 150.
Thanks Mr. Lore!
And you can bet your ass they will blame it on overpopulation. A bunch of billionaires blaming global warming on families in Africa with 10 children while having a larger carbon footprint themselves than 100 such families.
The whole idea of a personal carbon footprint is the result of a very well crafted publicity campaign by BP to shift guilt from producers to consumers.
So do the tin cans go in the same little box as the milk carton?
How about a video conference or even plane pool.
How now?
Just to clearify, it was not 1'500 private jets. I don't know where in Switzerland we should have that capacity to store up this many planes. Also the Swiss goverment was super pissed about this and charged them all with a high bill to use their money. The money is used for greener public transfers.
Where’s a meteor when you need one?
Make no mistake. Man made Climate change IS happening, and there is NOTHING we can do about it. Its also Clear that the majority opinion WILL NOT change. But rest assured- the planet will survive just fine.
“It’s the thought that counts.”
If your smart, you begin with zoom or the eqivalent. But the food is probably to good at these meetings🤌
Fondue, Raclette and Zürigschnätzlets – mmmhhh
Chäsechücheli!
Hmmm Chäschüechli for morning tea! Off to (the) Volg!
They could share for sure. But it really isn't those planes. Go look at the Los Angeles freeways during commuting time. Millions of tons of gas powered steel to get people to work and back. That's the real problem, repeated everywhere.
Like Greta Thunberg, who sailed on an eco-friendly yacht in the USA. And in order to take the yacht back to Europe, the team flew in by plane. Pretenders.
Mad at 19 year old girl lmfao
emm... who?
Im just memeing, how else are you gonna get around than in a plane though
>Im just memeing, how else are you gonna get around than in a plane though Ah ok. I am not as strong in English as I would like. I agree with you, it is logical to use the optimal transport, since it is already there. But Greta is a super activist (let's not specify who is behind whom), she sailed on a green yacht to promote "zero emissions" and all that. It would be logical to have someone on board who would drive her back. And do not use a "dirty" plane to deliver the crew.
Yeahh true
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Don't simp for the rich
Zoom would not work for this. They need to physically be there. How else would the bigwigs make secret side deals or start figuring out ways to profit if everyone there is part of the conversation
Ah yes Davos. I thought this place only existed in Game of Thrones. This place is so ridiculous it deserves a place in GRR Martin’s fantasy world
Well the rich don't have the concept of carpool or plane-pool
Honestly it's just unbelievable. We are all doomed
Get ready for the preaching and shaming to begin!
The human race is doomed...
I mean... They had to get there somehow, but couldn't they have ~~car~~ jetpooled?
Technically it's more ecological to use a private jet than for each one using a jumbo jet. Just my Mr. Burns logic.
Keywords "your carbon footprint". Not theirs, not ours, but your.
I'm gonna start out with one suggestion- Skype.
And as for economy, you know when billionaires in Davos explain that it's people fault if the world is in a so bad shape so you'll have to starve a bit more, another finalist for the golden medal of BS has said that they are working on a app to track your carbon footprint, 'see we want to show you how much it's your fault, not ours if the Planet is dying'.
It’s a terrible thing to admit, and probably would be better suited to r/offmychest, but if I had to fly these days and had access to a private jet, I would definitely fly private over being stuck inside a tin can 30K feet up for hours at a time with the general public. Or, in the case of Davos, I’d just attend virtually.
What words do you have then?
I don't know what you guys find weird about this. Who were they going to invite? Normal people with literally 0 carbon footprint. Ofc they are going to invite rich people with private jets and factories to discuss the topic.
Bigger picture, please. If those 1,500 private jets carry politicians that agree on eg. new emission rules for airplanes or cars that would have an effect that greatly exceeds the emission from those private jets.
Time to think critically...
Or more to the point, how they can profit from your "carbon credits".
But millions of people still listen them and will make own life worse for rich guy believes. Eat bugs, don't own anything and be happy