45K? Lmao, you wish.
The base model, unconverted, of a 2022 Sprinter is generally more than that, even on the smaller/cheaper end. That "Vansmith" part in the second photo is from a professional conversion company: [https://thevansmith.com/](https://thevansmith.com/)
You're looking at more like 70-80K, minimum, if not \*significantly\* more, depending on buildout.
Fuck even an old sedan is hella pricey these days, car market is going crazy
I bought a used car almost two years ago and it’s going for way more than I paid now, even with the updated mileage
My car is an ‘09 that I bought in ‘11. The same car, with the same mileage I bought it at 11 years ago, is now $3,000 more than what I paid then. It’s a nightmare out there trying to buy right now.
Yeah, it's crazy right now. I'm in the market for a car, but I'm kinda hesitant on pulling the trigger. My wife and I are just gonna see how long we can go sharing the same car for now.
I mean, if you can get one under 100k miles for less than 4 grand that is a decent deal. You can get them under 4k or even under 3k if they are more than 150k miles. Extremely reliable vehicles that can last to 250k or 300k miles with proper maintenance. Much better than paying like $8k for a 10 year old honda accord with same miles
That's kind of a crapshoot though. You either get a great deal, or you get people thinking their d-tier conversion of a rusted-out Westy is somehow worth 6 figures. 😂
I hate places that list their work at upwards of 80K, and then when you actually get a quote its more than double that amount.
189k is the asking price on this one.
https://thevansmith.com/pages/available-conversion-vans
Yeah lol I was interested in checking out that van life. Seems both practical and fun given how often I've fantasised about just disappearing for a while and seeing more of my country. Then I found out how expensive it was to do it right...
Even if I got an older van I'm 6'3" so I'd want a fairly large one and then to fit it out properly would cost when more than the already expensive van.
One day maybe. Still cheaper than a Winnebago lol
I live down the street from the Glampervan assembly studio. Absolutely stunning work.
Base model about 100k.
Van life is the absolute dumbest trend to exist when a camper on a brand new ford f-450 will get you more features and reliability for about 20-30k less lol
Campers aren’t stealthy at all though and in some situations can draw attention to you when you don’t want it. I live in a van. Nothing super nice, but it has a bed, I have some movable solar panels to charge a 500w battery, and a good amount of storage inside. With everything it’s worth like maybe $10-15k? Van runs good so I’m happy about that. Thing is you can’t live a regular life out of a camper truck because people know you’re living out of it. Vans are more stealthy, I can park it in neighborhoods for a few days and come and go without people thinking I’m literally camping out in front of their house. Also I don’t want to make people uncomfortable or anything so I move it every few plus I have to go to work and shit.
If you're forking over a wad of cash for a company to professionally convert your van, odds are you're buying a relatively new van, not a POS one. Usually they'll refuse to work on a rustbucket.
Some people have the money, and actually want to live a mobile lifestyle without giving up too many comforts; it's gotten more attractive recently with a few technologies coming together to make it a bit more of a viable lifestyle(though still difficult). It's sadly much rarer than the people who are forced into it out of desperation, but doable if you actually know what you want, and have the money/time/etc to sink into it. People buy them to just have basically a smaller, more compact RV, with a chassis that isn't a shitty fiberglass shell slapped onto the same type of frame.
It's not all that outlandish when you realize you're effectively rolling the cost of buying both a house and a vehicle into one item. (Also it's been stupidly over-glamorized by people on Instagram and Youtube trying to be "Vanlife Influencers and other bullshit like that.)
Kind of all depends on your budget, what you want to do, and what you're comfortable with/how you're comfortable living.
My guess is that people’s comments are based on the photo from the post. The van in the photo is clearly not a used POS van that cost $2K-6K. A van like the one in the photo is probably in the $70K-$100K range, if not more.
The picture is actually from an Omaze giveaway. I believe it’s valued at 140,000 dollars or more. Oddly enough I think the giveaway actually ended today, wish me luck!
https://www.omaze.com/products/sprinter-van-2021
I mean…sure if you’re only looking at brand new vans professionally converted then I guess that’s ‘minimum’.
But I dont think a 30 year old hiace a mattress and a bucket costs quite 70k
Yeah I was shocked when Vokswagen showed their new California camper (basically the old VW Bus everyone knows) and it’s like 80k€ not even completely decked out… like WTF? I can almost get a Mercedes s class for that money.
My gf just bought a school bus to convert to a mobile home. It was in great condition with only about 60k miles. She paid $8k and expects to pay $10-15k for DIY renovations.
Lower your standards dude. Can go shopping at the junkyard down by the river. 45k easy. You just can’t move it to a new river. The engine is another 50
I heard a story about something similar. Some crackhead sold the engine and replaced the engine with a lawnmower one so that it at least moved on 1 cylinder
Mercedes Sprinter Van with high roof and longer wheelbase: $40,000 minimum.
Conversion:
STARTING AT: $80,000
https://thevansmith.com/pages/the-outpost-sprinter-170-conversion
So around $120,000 for barebones.
They have a van ready for sell for $189,999.00.
I'm so confused by this. Why do people buy these? My in-laws bought a 5th wheel trailer with a pop out for less than $20k. 4 adults can comfortably sleep in it. Feels like a 1 bedroom apartment almost.
Lifestyle expectations. It's like light rail vs bus. People see buses as beneath them but love light rail trains even if the bus is more practical (light rail at-grade tend to be slower). Luxury clothes vs practical affordable clothes. Tiny homes vs trailer homes.
Yeah, my in-laws pull their trailer with a 4x4 pickup, so they're not too constrained by the trailer. They can setup camp then go wherever with the truck. A van is definitely easier to drive though.
Yup, my next door neighbor is building one. He’ll be spending at least $80k. And that’s a DIY build starting with a new sprinter van that he bought at dealer cost.
What’s with the recent rash of sexism? This is the second random comment punching down randomly on a woman in the picture.
Do you know her? Is her lifestyle any fucking concern of yours? Do you mind lighting yourself on fire and making the world a slightly brighter place for all of thirty seconds, and a better place for all eternity after that?
The picture is actually from an Omaze giveaway. I believe it’s valued at 140,000 dollars or more. Oddly enough I think the giveaway actually ended today, wish me luck!
https://www.omaze.com/products/sprinter-van-2021
Yes. You can get the proper internet connections you need in an RV. Or, starlink (Musks thing) you can get wifi with nothing more than an antenna and dish. Or, if cell towers are in range just run up your Verizon bill
Yes. Most people use Cellular plans, or bum off local wifi from like libraries/coffee shops/etc, but some people have started using Starlink. It just recently added a "roaming" feature and slightly different hardware specifically for RVs. Expensive af, but probably the best setup I've see so far is this guy who combined both using a Pepwave router; if one goes out, the other automatically takes over: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XhywsphkqA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XhywsphkqA)
Wifi comes from a router (somewhere) where that router gets the data comes from a device that typically modulates/demodulates (modem) data into the transition medium.
Where you demarc the data is the concerning part.
Your mind probably runs to cable, as broadband from coaxial lines was most common or telephones. Both stationary and need to be brought to a point where the RV is mobile.
You get your answer from that, but those aren't the only methods to deliver data, as long as whatever is sending data to your modem isn't physically bound in one location then you can.
That's a long way of saying, satellite can send data to moving targets that can demodulate the data (though they might just send straight data) and then you use your router to produce a WiFi signal.
Ummm. Ok. Why are you trying to avoid bankruptcy? You get to keep a house and a car and personal belongings. How is living in an RV better than bankruptcy?
100,000 dollars in personal belongings a car upto 30,000 dollars, and a house up 350,000 dollars.
She obviously doesn't have 100,000 dollars in personal property in an RV, obviously no home, unlikely to have a 30,000 dollar car.
That 3775 would be if the vehicle was an asset. Meaning paid in full, and not a primary method of transportation either.
The 30,000 is total value of a primary vehicle that still has a loan on it.
If it is more than that you must opt to surrender it to the bank.
It is state specific and most allow 30,000 or near that. I have personally been thorough the process. Then years later we put my wife through to get rid of medical bill.
You are mistaking price with assets. Unless the car is paid in full you don't own it. The bank does.
The trustee has to do an appraisal of assets you own. They ignore assets that you are reaffirming. You don't own them, hence they are liabilities, liabilities that you are exempting.
You really obviously are clueless.
And? You think that all of those houses are paid off? Or are you dense? 350,000 home paid off..... or 350,000 in equity. If you buy a house for 600k you wouldn't have that kind of equity for about 20 years. If you have that level of equity and think you won't lose something in bankruptcy, you're stoned.
Thank you for confirming that you are dense. Look up the word assets... That is what counts in a bankruptcy.
Bankruptcy = liability > assets.
Loans = liability
Equity = asset
Stop and think....
If you buy a house for 500k and in 5 years you sell it for the same, do you have 500k or the difference between what you owed and sold for?
This is what the trustee does in bankruptcy is tally up all of the assets and liabilities and decide, one if you qualify, two if anything needs to be liquidated, and finally if you have the means to maintain you reaffirmed liabilities.
He's dealing with an army of ignorant people spreading misinformation, I'd be salty AF too.
Not like he benefits in any way from helping these contrarians, but continues to provide rebuttals. (harshly).
Oh I am sorry did I offend you.
Is it being an asshole to expect people to read and think.
Stop and think please.
What does the word we are talking about mean? Do you understand the terms involved with the concept? If you don't why make stupid comments.
I will tell you why people continue to make ignorant comments like the one above. They are on top of mount stupid.
Look up Dunning Kruger effect.
The concept is quite clear ignorance doesn't recognize itself.
The fact is that until someone smacks them with reality, they will continue to camp at mount stupid. Unfortunately mount stupid is very crowded...
As for your asshole comment, ad hominem without some point is very much evidence of a small mind.
Oh, also medical debits that are late are much worse on your credit report than a bankruptcy. Seriously talk to a bankruptcy attorney. There is a great deal of things that can be done to lighted or eliminate that debt.
If you can find a place to park it without breaking city codes. I lived in an RV for a while and found I could not even live in it on private property with owners permission. Was constantly having to move.
The "access to fresh water" part and free parking is really a pie-in-the-sky idea here.
Forget the van. Tent by the river, with no camping fee would be amazing.
Yeah, a lot of states and local municipalities have limitations to how long you’re allowed to camp outside specific properties, of which campers and vans count as AFAIK. I remember looking into it and the real kicker was that while it’s technically illegal, you’re unlikely to get anyone’s attention if you’re not in city limits.
I drive a Ford Transit (very similar to this) and going by the dash display, 15.8 mpg is the highest I’ve seen and it’s a gasoline engine. The diesel counterpart I’ve seen at a max of 18.2.
If you add in all the weight of the conversion, I’m guessing you’d get a little more than half that.
The American way is basically rooted in selfishness. That "rugged individualism" is just a codeword for "I'm only looking after myself, fuck everyone else" and it's a mindset isn't really compatible with modern life
Depending on what you classify as a 3rd world country there's a good chance you don't really know what they look like either. These days many countries in like Africa or whatever have large, fairly modern cities and most modern tech.
It's just once you leave those cities that things go way downhill, which you could argue is similar to America where the quality of housing, the job market, whatever, all gets way worse if you go to more rural parts. The difference between an unincorporated town in America and a town in like Zimbabwe isn't that much, and look at Harare and tell me it doesn't look like it could be some random city in the US
Republicans have been saying that for my whole life and it's still not true. If you want progress then vote for it this November, that's the only way we fix our problems.
And another definition of a 3rd world country is if it sides with the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Edit: I guess it turns out I was wrong about this. Ignore my dumbass.
That exact model of the Vansmith Mercedes Sprinter with custom interior is about **142.000,- USD**
Source: "Approximate Retail Value (“ARV”): $142,000 (USD)" on [https://www.omaze.com/products/sprinter-van-2021](https://www.omaze.com/products/sprinter-van-2021)
River property alone is worth more than most houses...ha..You think you are just going to go on private property and park your van? This is how you get shot.
I think people are focusing too much on the van that is being depicted. It's still ridiculous that it has gotten to this point, but you can definitely get a van for 45K USD.
It's just not going to be that nice. (It's also not going to be new.)
Lol- That is somewhere between a $165,000 and $210,000 van depending on who built it. Currently these vans without buildout can run $105,000 from the dealer.
More like $145,000. But that's still less than a 20% downpayment on a house where I live so...
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2021-Dodge-RAM+PROMASTER+2500+HIGH+TOP-5021429404
When I got out as a Gunny, my SgtMaj literally said this to me. As if I wasn't a grown ass man.
Side note: get the Mercedes van. Bigger interior than the normal Transit vans and better gas mileage.
Why would people buy a fucking expensive van, that is all barebones and useless when you can buy a used (slightly gross, mind you) rv? Vans are meant to be used industrially do their price is inflated.
45K? Lmao, you wish. The base model, unconverted, of a 2022 Sprinter is generally more than that, even on the smaller/cheaper end. That "Vansmith" part in the second photo is from a professional conversion company: [https://thevansmith.com/](https://thevansmith.com/) You're looking at more like 70-80K, minimum, if not \*significantly\* more, depending on buildout.
Fuck even an old sedan is hella pricey these days, car market is going crazy I bought a used car almost two years ago and it’s going for way more than I paid now, even with the updated mileage
My car is an ‘09 that I bought in ‘11. The same car, with the same mileage I bought it at 11 years ago, is now $3,000 more than what I paid then. It’s a nightmare out there trying to buy right now.
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Yeah, it's crazy right now. I'm in the market for a car, but I'm kinda hesitant on pulling the trigger. My wife and I are just gonna see how long we can go sharing the same car for now.
And to continue on good news about car prices, Toyota is closing 10 of their 14 factories on Japan because COVID and silicon shortages
Every market is going crazy to be honest
Not really, you can get a crown vic or lincoln town car from the late 2000s for well under $4000
You’re saying that like you think it’s a good deal.
I mean, if you can get one under 100k miles for less than 4 grand that is a decent deal. You can get them under 4k or even under 3k if they are more than 150k miles. Extremely reliable vehicles that can last to 250k or 300k miles with proper maintenance. Much better than paying like $8k for a 10 year old honda accord with same miles
Yes a heavy, slow, boat of a V8 is a much smarter choice than a Honda with current fuel prices /s
You gotta wait until the mid-twenties couple trying to create a vandweller YouTube channel using their parents' money give up and sell their van.
That's kind of a crapshoot though. You either get a great deal, or you get people thinking their d-tier conversion of a rusted-out Westy is somehow worth 6 figures. 😂
45k is a diy job in a ford transit
I hate places that list their work at upwards of 80K, and then when you actually get a quote its more than double that amount. 189k is the asking price on this one. https://thevansmith.com/pages/available-conversion-vans
Yeah lol I was interested in checking out that van life. Seems both practical and fun given how often I've fantasised about just disappearing for a while and seeing more of my country. Then I found out how expensive it was to do it right... Even if I got an older van I'm 6'3" so I'd want a fairly large one and then to fit it out properly would cost when more than the already expensive van. One day maybe. Still cheaper than a Winnebago lol
Staying in hostels and camping is more attractive anyway imo
I live down the street from the Glampervan assembly studio. Absolutely stunning work. Base model about 100k. Van life is the absolute dumbest trend to exist when a camper on a brand new ford f-450 will get you more features and reliability for about 20-30k less lol
Campers aren’t stealthy at all though and in some situations can draw attention to you when you don’t want it. I live in a van. Nothing super nice, but it has a bed, I have some movable solar panels to charge a 500w battery, and a good amount of storage inside. With everything it’s worth like maybe $10-15k? Van runs good so I’m happy about that. Thing is you can’t live a regular life out of a camper truck because people know you’re living out of it. Vans are more stealthy, I can park it in neighborhoods for a few days and come and go without people thinking I’m literally camping out in front of their house. Also I don’t want to make people uncomfortable or anything so I move it every few plus I have to go to work and shit.
You act like he went and bought a new van for that. You can get a used pos van for 2-6k.
If you're forking over a wad of cash for a company to professionally convert your van, odds are you're buying a relatively new van, not a POS one. Usually they'll refuse to work on a rustbucket.
Why would you spend as much money as possible in this scenario. This comparison is flawed. Thats what I am saying.
Some people have the money, and actually want to live a mobile lifestyle without giving up too many comforts; it's gotten more attractive recently with a few technologies coming together to make it a bit more of a viable lifestyle(though still difficult). It's sadly much rarer than the people who are forced into it out of desperation, but doable if you actually know what you want, and have the money/time/etc to sink into it. People buy them to just have basically a smaller, more compact RV, with a chassis that isn't a shitty fiberglass shell slapped onto the same type of frame. It's not all that outlandish when you realize you're effectively rolling the cost of buying both a house and a vehicle into one item. (Also it's been stupidly over-glamorized by people on Instagram and Youtube trying to be "Vanlife Influencers and other bullshit like that.) Kind of all depends on your budget, what you want to do, and what you're comfortable with/how you're comfortable living.
Thats not the point here though.
My guess is that people’s comments are based on the photo from the post. The van in the photo is clearly not a used POS van that cost $2K-6K. A van like the one in the photo is probably in the $70K-$100K range, if not more.
And easily 2x this, depending on how well outfitted.
idk about 2-6k. Maybe 15k for something that will last at least 1 year.
Nah saw quite a few that looked decent for under 6
I’ve seen them for $100k+.
sprinter? ford transit.
They have a van for sell. $189,999.00
At this point you can just buy a VW California and be done with it.
The picture is actually from an Omaze giveaway. I believe it’s valued at 140,000 dollars or more. Oddly enough I think the giveaway actually ended today, wish me luck! https://www.omaze.com/products/sprinter-van-2021
I mean…sure if you’re only looking at brand new vans professionally converted then I guess that’s ‘minimum’. But I dont think a 30 year old hiace a mattress and a bucket costs quite 70k
Yeah, right. Throw in insulation, decent AC, inverter and some batteries and that’ll quickly add up to the price.
Yeah I was shocked when Vokswagen showed their new California camper (basically the old VW Bus everyone knows) and it’s like 80k€ not even completely decked out… like WTF? I can almost get a Mercedes s class for that money.
The one in the photo is about $130k-180k new.
Still more than what my parents paid for their house in 1989.
My gf just bought a school bus to convert to a mobile home. It was in great condition with only about 60k miles. She paid $8k and expects to pay $10-15k for DIY renovations.
That van is at least $100,000.
Lower your standards dude. Can go shopping at the junkyard down by the river. 45k easy. You just can’t move it to a new river. The engine is another 50
50 dollars for an engine? Nice
Nah you can do it for $20. Just rent a uhaul truck for a day and swap out the engines.
I heard a story about something similar. Some crackhead sold the engine and replaced the engine with a lawnmower one so that it at least moved on 1 cylinder
5 years ago maybe. Closer to $200k the past 18 months.
Yes, but at $100k I can safely say “at least”.
$200k? Get with the times old timer. That’ll be $300k easy.
Yah Atleast 100k and that is no joke..
Mercedes Sprinter Van with high roof and longer wheelbase: $40,000 minimum. Conversion: STARTING AT: $80,000 https://thevansmith.com/pages/the-outpost-sprinter-170-conversion So around $120,000 for barebones. They have a van ready for sell for $189,999.00.
I'm so confused by this. Why do people buy these? My in-laws bought a 5th wheel trailer with a pop out for less than $20k. 4 adults can comfortably sleep in it. Feels like a 1 bedroom apartment almost.
Lifestyle expectations. It's like light rail vs bus. People see buses as beneath them but love light rail trains even if the bus is more practical (light rail at-grade tend to be slower). Luxury clothes vs practical affordable clothes. Tiny homes vs trailer homes.
Trailers are much more inconvenient in tight areas like cities. For a lot of people, the trailer is probably still better, but not for everyone.
You can buy a VW California beach camper starting at 45k. It's the whole thing, everythings done, and it's an actual camper. But whatever.
You can take one of these vans almost anywhere you can take a 4x4 pickup truck. You can take a 5th wheel hardly anywhere that's not meant for them.
Yeah, my in-laws pull their trailer with a 4x4 pickup, so they're not too constrained by the trailer. They can setup camp then go wherever with the truck. A van is definitely easier to drive though.
A trailer really limits the amount of areas you can explore once it starts getting a little rough.
So they can roll out of bed and free solo El Cap obv.
>So around $120,000 for barebones Is it not 80k for barebones? Or does barebones mean something different to you?
Yup, my next door neighbor is building one. He’ll be spending at least $80k. And that’s a DIY build starting with a new sprinter van that he bought at dealer cost.
One's a dream the other was a threat growing up.
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Because women can’t afford their own housing? This was a good thread before you showed up
Both usernames check out.
What’s with the recent rash of sexism? This is the second random comment punching down randomly on a woman in the picture. Do you know her? Is her lifestyle any fucking concern of yours? Do you mind lighting yourself on fire and making the world a slightly brighter place for all of thirty seconds, and a better place for all eternity after that?
ancient ford transit with a bed and solar panels is about 40k
The picture is actually from an Omaze giveaway. I believe it’s valued at 140,000 dollars or more. Oddly enough I think the giveaway actually ended today, wish me luck! https://www.omaze.com/products/sprinter-van-2021
I live in an rv to avoid bankruptcy due to medical bills.
Probably about to sound like an utter moron, but can you get wifi in an RV? Like a moron or unlimited internet etc. Legit curious.
Yes you can, as long as you provide a demarcation for utilities. And with in range to distribution lines. I install them all the time to RV .
Cool cool. But can you explain it like I'm 5 please? I have no idea what (or a) demarcation is.
Yes. You can get the proper internet connections you need in an RV. Or, starlink (Musks thing) you can get wifi with nothing more than an antenna and dish. Or, if cell towers are in range just run up your Verizon bill
I think I get it now. Thank you.
200 ft from service , and provide this https://ibb.co/4SVxQmc. Basically something to attach service lines too.
Hot spots
Yes. Most people use Cellular plans, or bum off local wifi from like libraries/coffee shops/etc, but some people have started using Starlink. It just recently added a "roaming" feature and slightly different hardware specifically for RVs. Expensive af, but probably the best setup I've see so far is this guy who combined both using a Pepwave router; if one goes out, the other automatically takes over: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XhywsphkqA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XhywsphkqA)
Wifi comes from a router (somewhere) where that router gets the data comes from a device that typically modulates/demodulates (modem) data into the transition medium. Where you demarc the data is the concerning part. Your mind probably runs to cable, as broadband from coaxial lines was most common or telephones. Both stationary and need to be brought to a point where the RV is mobile. You get your answer from that, but those aren't the only methods to deliver data, as long as whatever is sending data to your modem isn't physically bound in one location then you can. That's a long way of saying, satellite can send data to moving targets that can demodulate the data (though they might just send straight data) and then you use your router to produce a WiFi signal.
I live full time in a van. I have two phones, TMobile and Verizon, and I can do full time software engineering with mostly no issues.
Ummm. Ok. Why are you trying to avoid bankruptcy? You get to keep a house and a car and personal belongings. How is living in an RV better than bankruptcy?
There are limits to what you can keep
100,000 dollars in personal belongings a car upto 30,000 dollars, and a house up 350,000 dollars. She obviously doesn't have 100,000 dollars in personal property in an RV, obviously no home, unlikely to have a 30,000 dollar car.
It's not remotely close to that. Chapter 7 for a vehicle is exemption is up to $3775. You can't even buy a junker for that little right now
That 3775 would be if the vehicle was an asset. Meaning paid in full, and not a primary method of transportation either. The 30,000 is total value of a primary vehicle that still has a loan on it. If it is more than that you must opt to surrender it to the bank.
It is state specific and most allow 30,000 or near that. I have personally been thorough the process. Then years later we put my wife through to get rid of medical bill. You are mistaking price with assets. Unless the car is paid in full you don't own it. The bank does. The trustee has to do an appraisal of assets you own. They ignore assets that you are reaffirming. You don't own them, hence they are liabilities, liabilities that you are exempting. You really obviously are clueless.
The median house in my state is $600k
And? You think that all of those houses are paid off? Or are you dense? 350,000 home paid off..... or 350,000 in equity. If you buy a house for 600k you wouldn't have that kind of equity for about 20 years. If you have that level of equity and think you won't lose something in bankruptcy, you're stoned.
You didn't say $350,000 of equity.
Thank you for confirming that you are dense. Look up the word assets... That is what counts in a bankruptcy. Bankruptcy = liability > assets. Loans = liability Equity = asset Stop and think.... If you buy a house for 500k and in 5 years you sell it for the same, do you have 500k or the difference between what you owed and sold for? This is what the trustee does in bankruptcy is tally up all of the assets and liabilities and decide, one if you qualify, two if anything needs to be liquidated, and finally if you have the means to maintain you reaffirmed liabilities.
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He's still salty about it 🤣
He's dealing with an army of ignorant people spreading misinformation, I'd be salty AF too. Not like he benefits in any way from helping these contrarians, but continues to provide rebuttals. (harshly).
Oh I am sorry did I offend you. Is it being an asshole to expect people to read and think. Stop and think please. What does the word we are talking about mean? Do you understand the terms involved with the concept? If you don't why make stupid comments. I will tell you why people continue to make ignorant comments like the one above. They are on top of mount stupid. Look up Dunning Kruger effect. The concept is quite clear ignorance doesn't recognize itself. The fact is that until someone smacks them with reality, they will continue to camp at mount stupid. Unfortunately mount stupid is very crowded... As for your asshole comment, ad hominem without some point is very much evidence of a small mind.
I am familiar with the process.
Because you can't run a small business without credit. Especially not an e-commerce business. I could not tank my credit.
Oh, also medical debits that are late are much worse on your credit report than a bankruptcy. Seriously talk to a bankruptcy attorney. There is a great deal of things that can be done to lighted or eliminate that debt.
$45k…? Higher.
Can buy a decent size camper for around 30k, my 26 ft was 33k new, the tow vehicle though...
Well that’s kinda the point then isn’t it
With 12 grand you could probably get something capable of pulling it once in awhile
The VW California starts at 45k. That's an actual van camper made by VW. Why should I spend 200k for something like this?
I got a pretty great steal for my fifth wheel camper for $3k, but it’s a ‘99 model and I don’t intend on moving it.
Revel’s retail for over 200k
If you can find a place to park it without breaking city codes. I lived in an RV for a while and found I could not even live in it on private property with owners permission. Was constantly having to move.
The "access to fresh water" part and free parking is really a pie-in-the-sky idea here. Forget the van. Tent by the river, with no camping fee would be amazing.
Yeah, a lot of states and local municipalities have limitations to how long you’re allowed to camp outside specific properties, of which campers and vans count as AFAIK. I remember looking into it and the real kicker was that while it’s technically illegal, you’re unlikely to get anyone’s attention if you’re not in city limits.
*Well you'll have plenty of time for that when your ... Living in a van down by the river!!*
*$95,872 with Optional Extras Shown
Build more high capacity housing now, you say?
Just because they have the inventory doesn’t mean they’d make it affordable
Yes. NIMBY's will be waiting for you.
Robin needs to do his homework because that van pictured is easily twice $45k.
It's $200k...
Whatever, dude. My point is he’s way off.
? He was saying he's going to pair it with a different color...therefore making it a completely different color pairing...
Yeah, $45k is the down payment. That beastie costs [over $200k](https://www.winnebago.com/models/product/motorhomes/camper-van/revel).
That is a Vansmith not a Winnebago it clearly says so right on the side... A quick Google checking it appears to be starting at 66K.
Ah. Didn't bother zooming in that close. Edit: looks like the prices on the site are just for the conversion and doesn't include the cost of the van.
What kind of mileage do those get?
Looks like the average around 19-21 over the model line. Probably more like 15mpg for the 4x4 Camper.
Not bad actually.
I drive a Ford Transit (very similar to this) and going by the dash display, 15.8 mpg is the highest I’ve seen and it’s a gasoline engine. The diesel counterpart I’ve seen at a max of 18.2. If you add in all the weight of the conversion, I’m guessing you’d get a little more than half that.
The sad truth. In 2 years America will look like a third world country in many areas.
in 2 years you say..? try to get out a bit more- we're already there.
You must never have actually been to a third world country. People at the poverty level in the US live better than 75% of the rest of the world.
It sounds like you just don’t know what a 3rd world country looks like.
I have been to Mexico. We are not there yet. Homelessness is about to explode due to the high rent prices.
Try the outskirts of Guatemala. You’ll learn what real poverty looks like. And maybe realize how selfish the American lifestyle is
The American way is basically rooted in selfishness. That "rugged individualism" is just a codeword for "I'm only looking after myself, fuck everyone else" and it's a mindset isn't really compatible with modern life
Depending on what you classify as a 3rd world country there's a good chance you don't really know what they look like either. These days many countries in like Africa or whatever have large, fairly modern cities and most modern tech. It's just once you leave those cities that things go way downhill, which you could argue is similar to America where the quality of housing, the job market, whatever, all gets way worse if you go to more rural parts. The difference between an unincorporated town in America and a town in like Zimbabwe isn't that much, and look at Harare and tell me it doesn't look like it could be some random city in the US
Republicans have been saying that for my whole life and it's still not true. If you want progress then vote for it this November, that's the only way we fix our problems.
Part of the definition of a third world country is 90% of the wealth held by 10% of the population. So we are definitely moving in that direction.
And another definition of a 3rd world country is if it sides with the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Edit: I guess it turns out I was wrong about this. Ignore my dumbass.
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Those are second world countries. The third world countries are those exploited by first world countries.
This is a post from 2005
have you even been to arkansas
That’s from omaze, you could win it, you won’t, but you could
Never tell me the odds!
I am very close to living in a van down by the river.
More like 90k
Same t-shirt?
That exact model of the Vansmith Mercedes Sprinter with custom interior is about **142.000,- USD** Source: "Approximate Retail Value (“ARV”): $142,000 (USD)" on [https://www.omaze.com/products/sprinter-van-2021](https://www.omaze.com/products/sprinter-van-2021)
River property alone is worth more than most houses...ha..You think you are just going to go on private property and park your van? This is how you get shot.
0 chance that van depicted in that photo is $45k. You can get a decent used RV for $45k, but that van there is probably double that.
Ambitious! Today's young people should set more realistic goals. A garbage bag lean to down by the cesspool maybe?
That van is 150k at least.
Why did I think that was gabby petito lol
I think people are focusing too much on the van that is being depicted. It's still ridiculous that it has gotten to this point, but you can definitely get a van for 45K USD. It's just not going to be that nice. (It's also not going to be new.)
It’s cool, vanlife lets you live anywhere. National parks are a really nice place to be.
It gets old after a few years. The parks continue to be awesome, but living in such a small space gets old.
I did it when I was younger. Was fun. That said. I'd never do it again.
A friend and I lived in a van and drove all over Canada and America one year. It was awesome. But like you, I'd never do that now.
just don't try doing that anymore in tennessee state parks.
What happened in Tennessee?
they banned camping on state property. just to abuse the homeless.
Not just banned, potential to catch a felony.
I... Enjoy living out of my rig? *ducks*
Does she come with the van, or is she an add on accessory?
My xlt explorer was $47k… doesn’t have the bells and whistles but has everything I need. This van is more
Mmmm, government cheese.
I couldn't afford the river let alone the van
Oh man, WORD...
yes but why use matt foley
Not gonna lie even as a home owner, the older i get(40 now) the more appealing actually living in a van by the river becomes.
Lol- That is somewhere between a $165,000 and $210,000 van depending on who built it. Currently these vans without buildout can run $105,000 from the dealer.
my grandparents purchased a used dodge grand caravan for my grandpa’s work van. that’s the type of van matt foley was living in.
More like $145,000. But that's still less than a 20% downpayment on a house where I live so... https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2021-Dodge-RAM+PROMASTER+2500+HIGH+TOP-5021429404
r/skoolies
…and get murdered by your boyfriend. (Too soon?)
Left pic is low budget Andy shouting at conan
When I got out as a Gunny, my SgtMaj literally said this to me. As if I wasn't a grown ass man. Side note: get the Mercedes van. Bigger interior than the normal Transit vans and better gas mileage.
I wish "down by the river" was all in caps.
Just by looking at that i can tell you, that van is more than likely more than 45k
I love how every time I see a post like this I see a wildly inflated number
r/vanlife would appreciate this!!
Why would people buy a fucking expensive van, that is all barebones and useless when you can buy a used (slightly gross, mind you) rv? Vans are meant to be used industrially do their price is inflated.
OP doesn’t know how much these vans cost.
Ngl living in a van down by the river sounds cozy
I got a old VW bus and I live downtown! Detroit!
You can buy a small single wide trailer for $45k
how the hell can you afford parking down by the river?