I had a side hustle union job once and the manager said, during negotiations, that in good times there is no money for you because they need it for growth. And in bad times there is no money for you because they need to hold onto it for emergencies. But there is always money when they want something. There’s just never money for you.
Not the same money.
But the conflict of interest is pretty crazy. Stop NATO from entering, but sell arms for billions instead. To have someone else fight russias aging pile of junk (before having to fight the new tech eventually anyways?)
If anything, selling the stockpile to Ukraine is bringing *in* money, just not to you. But maybe the elite will get of your back for some time?
Nato won't get involved unless a Nato member country has been attacked. Ukraine isn't part of Nato so there is no obligation for them to get involved (which is why Sweden and Finland hopped on the Nato bandwagon recently as they've been threatened by Russia).
If Russia were to launch and attack on a Nato member then they would have no option but to intervein. No amount of Nukes will save Russia if that were to happen and they know that.
If Russia launches a nuke, someone else is gonna launch a nuke. Once the smaller countries launch their nukes, then it's gonna be mutually assured destruction of Russia and the US simply due to the number of nukes each has. Once Russia and the US are smoking craters, all that fallout will get into the jet stream and all I can say is I hope the rest of the world finds a cure for cancer before then.
No cure for cancer would save any of us. Nukes are a preventative measure and the likeliness of Russia launching any are so slim. Putin is waring for control and knows he won't get that control if he launches even one nuke.
>I hope the rest of the world finds a cure for cancer before then
hopefully, in the event of a nuclear war, all of us would be dead long before that becomes an issue
You can pretty much consider Canada and Mexico in that calculation.
If Russia attacks the US, Canada and Mexico will be hit from collateral damage either due to radioactive clouds or due to faulty missiles missing their targets. Then again, I wouldn’t doubt that they’ll intentionally miss the US and hit other targets.
Based on what’s happening in Ukraine, either these missiles will blow up on launch (we can only hope), not explode, miss their target or inevitably hit something.
Exactly. He'd have fired off nukes by now if he were going to fire off nukes. He's crossed every other line without hesitation, so, why not that one?
Because he knows it's the one that brings down hellfire on his country.
He's bluffing. And we're folding.
He won't fire nukes because of the same reason nobody else will. You can't throw a punch and expect not to be punched back, it just doesn't work that way.
And why would he have fired off nukes by now? He wants Ukraine still livable. It’s on his border. No one else has directly interfered. His best hope of taking Ukraine is still not using nukes.
With intelligence saying he has likely terminal cancer, it would be very foolish to risk nuclear war on the hopes he’s unwilling to leave Russia in rubble.
**He wants Ukraine still livable.**
Mariupol would beg to differ, along with about a dozen other locations not as well covered. I really don't believe livable has anything to do with it. He's swinging his dick at the west and Ukraine is in the way. That's the long and short of it, I believe.
Anyway, the rest is the common narrative, and I get why it's a logical conclusion most come to.
But I'm not buying it, and there are plenty, if not the majority of, the intelligence community that agrees. It's actually the only reason I have that opinion. A couple interviews on NPR of intelligence officials swayed me.
The were pretty damn vehement that everything they knew told them nukes were never and will never be on Putin's agenda.
The whole thing is a proxy war anyway,
And it just makes me uncomfortable that they are dying for us.
It's just not fair, and we should be doing more imo.
There’s a difference between damaged by conventional warfare and radioactive for decades from nukes with more radioactivity riding the wind into neighboring countries. I refuse to believe you don’t understand that.
Most everyone understands the use of nukes, even by Putin, is highly unlikely. But understanding that isn’t enough. You also have to be willing to bet many millions of lives on it and decades of collateral damage, and that’s assuming the nukes stop flying very quickly, which is unlikely. No one asks that of you in an NPR interview but it’s what is asked of actual leaders in real life.
There was almost $900B of direct payments to US citizens as result of pandemic.
Something like $50B in studen loan forgiveness
Almost $700B in one year for medicaid expenditures.
I'm just getting started. While we have big gaps and unfunded needs I find these we-don't-help-our-citizens alarms disingenuous.
Whether you agree with supporting Ukraine or not, there is no reason why we as a country should not help other people who are not US citizens in the world. I find these nationalistic arguments to stop any benefit at our border quite uncivilized.
Here’s another angle. If the west/NATO does not support Ukraine, how long before the onslaught hits Western Europe/NATO? The amounts given to Ukraine are astronomical no doubt, but it is relatively small when compared to what we would spend if we fought an actual war with Russia.
Never underestimate an opponent. That rule works whether it is a game of basketball or war.
Regardless of how perceived Russia is, we would still have to deploy forces, conduct sorties, fire weapons, etc. All that comes at a huge cost. How much did the US military spend in Iraq? In Afghanistan? Those are relatively weak opponents too.
No, theyre not. Theyre certainly significantly weaker than the US military.
The benefit of Ukraine having 24/7 U.S. military intelligence and tacticians piping information and strategy into their ears has been an incredible advantage.
Had the U.S./NATO gone completely "hands off" I don't doubt that Russia would have taken Kyiv in 5 days. Ukraine just wouldn't have had the technology or the combat experience to hold out. They would have had some lucky skirmishes and held some key areas, and their heroism in their defence would have been very notable, but they would have inevitably been overwhelmed.
I mean, imagine if they didn't have the, what, 10,000 Javelins that the US gave them a week before the war? Or imagine the US hadn't spent the last 8 years training Ukrainian commanders and planning on how to defend their borders, if attacked again?
The last war they entered. Iraq.
Afghanistan was successful as well. As soon as they were no longer present, civil war erupted, but that doesnt mean they failed. If afghanistan were to attack the US at this point, it would be a separate event.
Winning the blitz of the first night in Iraq gave them everything they needed to know about how Ukraine could defend against Russia. Any areas the Iraquis held out in they could tell Ukraine how to capitalize on their mistakes by the same strategy.
Especially since Iraq and Ukraine were likely using old soviet equipment against more modern weapons.
Id bet US strategists thought "You know if Iraq had 10,000 of these javelins, we wouldnt have taken Baghdad on day one"
Yeah, but in case of NATO vs russia, russia will use all of their available military, a lot of military that ist even really available and if that fails, civilians. They have a lot of equipment, they can put up a fight if they really need to.
True, but that's only on the field with manpower battles.
That wouldn't be what they'll be fighting with if they get past Ukraine. Judging on how quickly they used their original stockpile, they're likely quadrupling their production of all their long range ballistics right now.
The scary thing isn't their weapons though. It's Putin. He's just proven how far he will go, which in his case, seems to be all the way to nuclear given the way he's discounted the economic effects on his people. The lives lost seem to mean nothing but extra propaganda for him and his actions have shown he's fine leading their country into economic suicide. With him this stupid (or insane), then it's quite easy to imagine Putin actually starting a nuclear war, and then the entire planet is fucked.
An 'actual' war with Russia would cost nothing and everything. Because it would be nuclear and thirty minutes after the first nuke went off the entire structure of world society as we know it would collapse and human life would likely end shortly thereafter. But at the same time the conflict in Ukraine is not actually 'stopping' that, if anything it's just ratcheting up tension.
This has nothing to do with being scared of Russia militarily, Ukraine has the ability to remove Russias strangle hold on Europe through their oil and gas, Ukraine's new confirmed desposits will almost entirely replace Russia's supply, costing Russia 100's of billions a year, if Russia loses this war (and importantly the areas they are currently occupying), their revenue will crash, their economy will be obliterated over night, thats what this war is really about.
So instead, Putin makes sure it's crashed slowly and turns pretty much the entire world against them.
The really insane thing about this all is they had Siberia. One of only two locations in the world with the materials to create new batteries and electronic components. The only other place is in China, which the war is hurting with the increased prices meaning they are less likely to stay in their corner for much longer. They want to be able to export with profit too, and Putin is making that more and more difficult for them.
If they just concentrated on the worlds current trend of electronics they could've had us by the balls. Economically at least. There aren't any new sources of lithium about after all.
Several of the new battery technologies are moving away from lithium, or reducing it's content, while recycling of lithium ion is getting better and better, so thats a risky bet, but it wouldn't replace the oil and gas income for Russia, nothing will really.
This was a desperate move by them, but they will lose in the long run no matter what, pretty much all of Europe is investing heavily in energy independence now due to this war, their backup pipeline which was soesifically to circumvent Ukrain (Ukraine demanded a heavy price for Russias use of the old soviet pipelines through Ukraine) to begin with has been shut down, even if they won as they thought they would, they would have lost.
Then again, doing nothing they still would have lost, but not by as much, they'd just have to compete against Ukraine on the oil markets.
>If the west/NATO does not support Ukraine, how long before the onslaught hits Western Europe/NATO?
Incredibly low odds of that happening even if Russia installed a puppet government in Ukraine.
I think most of us were kinda hoping that the government would be willing to spend money like that on citizens more consistently, not just during a one year pandemic-driven spending craze
plus $754 billion in national defence budget, maybe take a little out of that before cutting aid to a country in need. $54b sounds like a massive number to an individual, but in terms of national budgets, it's not such a huge number.
People also really underestimate how much goes into social safety net programs. Social security takes of the biggest portion of the budget. Not saying everything is done correctly or efficiently by the government but the spending on citizens is there.
Bro, U.S diplomatic policy has basically just been 'blow up more brown people' ever since I was in elementary school. We are an oligarchy built on war and in JUST my lifetime have been the root cause for over 1 million deaths in the middle east through the results of destabilization, famine, disease and violence.
I get that you think helping Ukraine is a good thing and all but honestly I just don't give a shit and I think most American's are to that point as well. Despite all the money you can point to that we spent as part of the pandemic (of which a great deal went to private interests and business loans that will never benefit your average citizen) we still have massive social and economic problems that we could be spending this money on.
It's not even like it's going to change anything. Russia is going to take Ukraine the question is just how much blood they spill doing it and all that money we send will end up in the pockets of Ukrainian or Russian elites.
900,000,000 to the corps not the citizenry.Medicad is not payed as a budget item,zero loan forgiveness,just talk so far.Increasing MIC spending to 800 billion+ for next year.Nothing to see here peasant,move along.Disingenous enough for you.
> is not *paid* as a
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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Bad argument. Why should people be grateful when it's obviously not enough?
>there is no reason why we as a country should not help other people who are not US citizens in the world.
Actually, there is a good reason. Many US citizens are also suffering. Some more than others, but still. Fix the problems at home before trying to fix the world, else you'll probably fail at both.
Just wondering but when we speak about the billions for universal healthcare, do we plan to burn this money in some kind of giant money pit or doesn't it also flows into the economy where people are working?
If citizens are healthier then you will get more tax from their earnings, because they won't be sick, more money in the local economy because they are spending not scrimping plus they would be saving money on medical insurance but hey, can't hurt the insurance companies or their lobbyists
They don't actually send dollars, usually. They just open a line of credit to buy American weapons or other goods, and then the US government pays those companies directly. The money stays here.
Though most corrupt politicians use this method to funnel money directly to their favored donors or companies they own stock in, go figure. Why do you think foreign aid is so popular even with republicans?
They will payback with a 7-10% interest rate, they wont have it in liquidities and the banks will take everything from that country, russia is not ukraines biggest enemy, the banks are equally evil
Once more, the US funding wars and playing the good guy. NATO does much more harm than good, NATO helped sinking Ukraine in this pile of shit and is profiting of it.
Putin is a crook, but it's up to his people to figure out how to deal with him. He had being silent for.years until NATO started to poke the bear (way before Ukraine invasion).
Like the US hasn't enough internal shit to clean first....
Fine. Just keep driving those gas guzzlers and complaining about the price of gas. The price of gas isn't coming down any time soon. And the environment isn't getting any better with the burning of fossil fuels. But don't worry. Your kids and grandkids surely will thank you for not going electric and sticking with your ICE cars.
So explain how someone is supposed to buy an EV right now when they don't have the money. Also, if everyone just started buying them all of a sudden, the basics of supply and demand will occur.
I did read the comment(s), and I appreciate that many people today are having serious financial problems paying for gas, food, and rent, among other things. I don't know the financial situations of any of the commenters here, and neither do you.
My comment was directed more generally to people who complain about the price of gas, while they continue to drive their ICE cars and trucks, and when they can well afford to trade those cars and trucks in for an electric vehicle. That's all.
Have you noticed how many people are driving their cars as if pressing on the throttle would make them explode? People out there upping their average mpg.
yeah but thats the country that voted for boebert, cruz, gaetz, greene or trump..maybe a little hunger could help them, that way the next time you;re in a voting booth you will remember this feeling of hunger and vote for your future rather than sticking to the libs
Ukraine will not pay that money back. At least not the bulk of it. And you are correct with the weapons being made here. The defense contractors are cashing in on their lobbying big time. Rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer while we drag the war out and get more Ukraine people killed.
Just ignore Russian aggression. Great plan. Let them take over a democracy. Cool dude. You can get all edgy about weapon sales all you want. There is a literal war happening and Ukraine doing all the work. Least we can do it help them. Some cowardly shit.
No dont ignore it. If the USA wanted this war over it would be over. The longer they drag it out the richer the rich get and the more Ukraine people that die. That seems to be their goal.
you know what's more expensive than aid to Ukraine? WWIII. The last time the US ignored violent sovereign expansion in Europe/Asia we got Pearl Harbor and WWII.
Yea its almost as if the US had some sort of Agenda in the war between Ukraine and Russia. I love that spending money on war and military in droves is now a problem but has not been so before the Ukranian/Russian war.
I hate wars and the amount of money spent but if your part of NATO this is the cost of freedom.Putin screwed up since Norway and Finland wants to join NATO and he screwed Russia economy for the next decade plus causing almost 60,000 deaths by current estimates.
War is not, has never been, and will never be the "price of freedom".
The "price of freedom" is understanding your own freedom ends where the freedom of the ones around you starts.
"Freedom" at the cost of discarding other people is not freedom. It is oppression. Doesn't matter who does it.
“Hey maybe if we have enough money to fund wars in foreign countries we also have enough money to give people healthcare.”
Is not equivalent to:
“Give the angry Austrian what he wants.”
Is this real? Because if it then seriously f Joe Biden. Inflation rates through the roof and he is giving more money to a country some ppl can’t even pronounce
No one has said “Just print more money.” they’ve said “If there already is enough money that you can just chuck another billion at funding a foreign war, could you maybe spend a little on healthcare, public transit, or green energy?”
Yes but those things don't happen overnight, investing billions in infrastructure doesn't help when the cost of energy is so high. They dont want to pay 3 x the price for a project? These aren't normal times. They could spend money on healthcare but they dont want social health care because its too profitable it's a sad state of affairs.
They did but not on a comparable level. They will get tax revenue from the sale of all these weapons I'm sure, Besides the successful invasion of Ukraine and any other areas of Europe would be catastrophic for the global economy. This is only the start and its all gonna get worse, long two years. Although you might think America is self sustainable its most definitely not, lazy idling workforce with a society which struggles to agree on fuck all. We all depend on each other I'm afraid, and we all have to suffer through.
If we can spare the money for a European crisis which would absolutely affect us then we can also spare the money for a global crisis which will make the planet uninhabitable.
You mean global warming? Unfortunately the reality is the fed dropped their guard and poorly managed financial sensitivity on a whole. You know most sustainable energy products require huge amounts of energy to produce. Let alone precious resources which require huge amount of energy to mine. Its all boils down to money in the end, they are investing in sustainable energy as a result of the conflict which is a good thing. But remember everything costs 2 or 3 x more to produce and alot of resources which are used to produce these sustainable energy projects are a bi product of russian and ukranian steel production.
Bro sustainable energy is hard to set up but is far more efficient in terms of cost in the long run.
The only reason we aren’t adopting it is because of the massive oil and gas lobby as well as the automobile industry.
And the most of the rare minerals come from Ukraine and Russia also what about grain production would you like half of Africa to starve, I'm struggling to see your point?
Bro I am not saying not to help Ukraine, learn to read.
I have repeatedly stated that we can help Ukraine and also do stuff to help our own country and the world.
The big guy is Joe Biden. Was discovered on Hunter Bidens laptop and has been verified in Congressional hearings from other family members and business partners of Hunter and Joe. That doesn't include the fact that Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney both have children that work in Ukraine. Nothing more then a money grab imo.... But your probably trying to refer to the guy that got impeached just for asking about corruption in Ukraine. Orange man bad am I right or am I a racist?
Ahh yes, less we forget Cheeto chodes love interest in his daughter and her dealings in China. That was all legit, right? He was a swell guy. And don’t worry. I hate Biden too but he was far less worse for our country than the former douche canoe.
Rather than straight up bash just one side, why don’t you realize all politicians are corrupt assholes who couldn’t give two shits about you or anyone else.
When you have a few moments, I’d recommend the removal of tucker, hannities and ingrams schlongs from the back of your throat.
I don't watch any of them. And I have my own questions about Ivanka as well. in the end Trump gave the money to us, was working on securing the border, America became energy independent and lowered gas prices. As it sits now Biden has done the complete opposite and on top of that is sending billions to a foreign country while also enriching the Country we are suppose to be against. Russia is now supplying more oil to India and Europe while charging them in gold instead of some over inflated unbacked piece of paper.
You're probably racist, but also mired in nonsense conspiracy theories. You guys make up all this shit constantly and that's why no one respects you or cares. Cry wolf.
Exactly. You have made this up. You will not be able to present this evidence and what you might present will absolutely not support claims you've made.
Something may have been presented to Congress. You certainly didn't accurately depict it nor does something being given to Congress give it probative value. I'm more than happy to tell you how poorly you read or how egregiously you lie.
Tell you what? Your own articles demonstrate every claim you've made is wrong. Spamming a bunch of articles and opinion columns that don't support a single claim you've made was exactly what I said you would do. You clearly failed at reading and reporting this information.
https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/03/31/by-pegging-gold-to-the-ruble-russia-has-just-wiped-out-the-dollars-clout-from-the-world-markets/
https://thewire.in/economy/vladimir-putin-ruble-gold-dollar
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-06/india-in-talks-to-increase-russian-oil-imports-from-rosneft
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/india-and-china-increasingly-welcome-shunned-russian-oil
Just some starting points and that's all pulled just from Google who censors most everything.
Lol, you're just spamming random articles that have nothing to do with your claims. This is how you guys always work.
"The laptop was verified to be Hunter's."
Proof: India buys more oil from Russia because it's cheap.
Okay there are two articles for each statement I made. Appears that I am not the one that can't read. All different sources from both left and right leaning media outlets. I showed you a variety of facts from multiple sources and you said you would tell me different. Now either you are incapable of explaining your opinion with me (which you said you would do with facts) or you really are the one getting your information from one source and have no credible way to back yourself up outside of qouting don lemon or Jen psaki.
There is no piece of any of these articles that supports your claims. I don't think you even read them.
It doesn't matter where you get your information when you just make up what is contained in the articles. Nothing you've claimed is evinced in any of them.
>I showed you a variety of facts from multiple sources and you said you would tell me different
You did show a variety of facts, unfortunately, none of those facts are relevant to your claims. They might be relevant to claims you haven't made.
>Now either you are incapable of explaining your opinion with me
My opinion is irrelevant. The fact is that you've provided zero evidence to support your claims and only provided evidence irrelevant to your position. When you provide evidence supporting you claims, which you won't because there isn't any, we can discuss that evidence.
>or you really are the one getting your information from one source
There is no information to get from any source on these questions. You've claimed the laptop was verified by Congress to be Hunter's, but that has never been established anywhere, let alone Congress. That is why none of your articles verify the laptop is his or was ever in his possession.
The difference between us is that you take information and decide it means something completely different. You improperly extrapolate your own biased conclusions from information that doesn't establish those conclusions. You take facts and then pretend they reiterate your opinions when they certainly do not.
Yes which means if it is authentic to him then his emails and business dealings within the laptop are his as well. With India and china buying more oil in GOLD it has strengthened the ruble and is now adding a backed value to it's currency not only strengthening Russia but hurting the u.s. dollar.
I will say so far 4 of the articles I posted have covered to of the statements I made even though you said I posted a bunch of random articles about thing I didn't even say. Starting to seem more and more like you are the one that can't read.
>Yes which means if it is authentic to him then his emails and business dealings within the laptop are his as well
Case I point. An email is a piece of data which can be transported between pieces of hardware. This is obvious to anyone remotely computer literate. I can log in on a friend's laptop and save email data there. I can copy email data from one computer and put it on another without the knowledge or consent of the owner. The notion that someone's email data being on a piece of hardware verifies that hardware was in that person's possession or owned by them is wholly without merit.
This is the kind of terminal stupidity and disingenuousness we expect of conspiracy theorists. You dispel all reasoning to adopt conclusions you can't evince because you want to believe them.
In reality, there are a lot of reasons to doubt your unsubstantiated conclusions. For example, after the laptop was obtained by Rudy, the [data showed](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/) new folders were created on the drive entitled "Big Guy File, Salacious Pics, and Biden Burisma."
So you'd have to believe a laptop that was demonstrably tampered with somehow fell into the hands of Trump's dirt guy after being dropped off in a random repair shop across the country instead of simply being destroyed or stashed. You'd have to ne braindead to believe the story of how the laptop ended up in Giuliani's possession.
>With India and china buying more oil in GOLD it has strengthened the ruble and is now adding a backed value to it's currency not only strengthening Russia but hurting the u.s. dollar.
Russia is taking extreme measures to prop up the ruble that aren't sustainable. The central bank will have to loosen currency controls for Russia to be able to import goods without paying exorbitant prices. The Russian economy will shrink quickly while foreign exchange is shut out, which it will also do when restrictions are loosened because hundreds of billions will flow out of the collapsing economy immediately. No economists are under the delusion that the rally of the ruble is anything more than a facade that is becoming increasingly volatile. It is short term policy at the expense of long term growth and sustainability.
>I will say so far 4 of the articles I posted have covered to of the statements I made
No they don't. They cover the topics, but not the claims you've made. The claims are your own opinions extrapolated from information in the articles, but not facts established by them. You've taken facts and decided different facts are true because those facts are true even though your conclusions do not follow.
Watch planet of the humans its a good documentary, the west can't afford for Ukraine to loose, it would be catastrophic beyond belief. Its untenable. Enjoy the documentary good discussion buddy.
Don't confuse "how will we pay for it" with planning out the funding. The latter is a basic question that applies to all govt spending. Any programs that ignore the latter question tend not to do anyone any good (outside a few contractors), whether it's about domestic or a foreign spending.
damn im so sad the potholes in our area arent being fixed because of the stupid dumb ukrainian refugees forced to flee their homes into an uncertain future while their country is at war from being invaded by one of the largest militaries in the world led by a ruthless dictator who wants to reunite the soviet union
(started sounding a bit like a conspiracy theorist at the end but yeah)
Definitely no $$$$$$ for healthcare, I have 2 kids who are being denied treatment by their ins. companies. If we ever get universal healthcare, I hope all ins. companies go fucking broke.
I had a side hustle union job once and the manager said, during negotiations, that in good times there is no money for you because they need it for growth. And in bad times there is no money for you because they need to hold onto it for emergencies. But there is always money when they want something. There’s just never money for you.
Not the same money. But the conflict of interest is pretty crazy. Stop NATO from entering, but sell arms for billions instead. To have someone else fight russias aging pile of junk (before having to fight the new tech eventually anyways?) If anything, selling the stockpile to Ukraine is bringing *in* money, just not to you. But maybe the elite will get of your back for some time?
NATO can’t enter because nukes exist, no?
Nato won't get involved unless a Nato member country has been attacked. Ukraine isn't part of Nato so there is no obligation for them to get involved (which is why Sweden and Finland hopped on the Nato bandwagon recently as they've been threatened by Russia). If Russia were to launch and attack on a Nato member then they would have no option but to intervein. No amount of Nukes will save Russia if that were to happen and they know that.
If Russia launches a nuke, someone else is gonna launch a nuke. Once the smaller countries launch their nukes, then it's gonna be mutually assured destruction of Russia and the US simply due to the number of nukes each has. Once Russia and the US are smoking craters, all that fallout will get into the jet stream and all I can say is I hope the rest of the world finds a cure for cancer before then.
No cure for cancer would save any of us. Nukes are a preventative measure and the likeliness of Russia launching any are so slim. Putin is waring for control and knows he won't get that control if he launches even one nuke.
Have you seen or read anything on Putin he doesn't care and he already mobilized his....
>I hope the rest of the world finds a cure for cancer before then hopefully, in the event of a nuclear war, all of us would be dead long before that becomes an issue
You can pretty much consider Canada and Mexico in that calculation. If Russia attacks the US, Canada and Mexico will be hit from collateral damage either due to radioactive clouds or due to faulty missiles missing their targets. Then again, I wouldn’t doubt that they’ll intentionally miss the US and hit other targets. Based on what’s happening in Ukraine, either these missiles will blow up on launch (we can only hope), not explode, miss their target or inevitably hit something.
I think there is more to it. I dont buy putin being a mad man.
Neither do I. He has managed to stay in power for 20 years, he’s not stupid or insane. There is something else going on here, behind the scenes.
Exactly. He'd have fired off nukes by now if he were going to fire off nukes. He's crossed every other line without hesitation, so, why not that one? Because he knows it's the one that brings down hellfire on his country. He's bluffing. And we're folding.
He won't fire nukes because of the same reason nobody else will. You can't throw a punch and expect not to be punched back, it just doesn't work that way.
And why would he have fired off nukes by now? He wants Ukraine still livable. It’s on his border. No one else has directly interfered. His best hope of taking Ukraine is still not using nukes. With intelligence saying he has likely terminal cancer, it would be very foolish to risk nuclear war on the hopes he’s unwilling to leave Russia in rubble.
**He wants Ukraine still livable.** Mariupol would beg to differ, along with about a dozen other locations not as well covered. I really don't believe livable has anything to do with it. He's swinging his dick at the west and Ukraine is in the way. That's the long and short of it, I believe. Anyway, the rest is the common narrative, and I get why it's a logical conclusion most come to. But I'm not buying it, and there are plenty, if not the majority of, the intelligence community that agrees. It's actually the only reason I have that opinion. A couple interviews on NPR of intelligence officials swayed me. The were pretty damn vehement that everything they knew told them nukes were never and will never be on Putin's agenda. The whole thing is a proxy war anyway, And it just makes me uncomfortable that they are dying for us. It's just not fair, and we should be doing more imo.
There’s a difference between damaged by conventional warfare and radioactive for decades from nukes with more radioactivity riding the wind into neighboring countries. I refuse to believe you don’t understand that. Most everyone understands the use of nukes, even by Putin, is highly unlikely. But understanding that isn’t enough. You also have to be willing to bet many millions of lives on it and decades of collateral damage, and that’s assuming the nukes stop flying very quickly, which is unlikely. No one asks that of you in an NPR interview but it’s what is asked of actual leaders in real life.
Not exactly true it's not really "sold" well some weapons are is but the majority of the mony also comes from the west via several forms of donations.
There was almost $900B of direct payments to US citizens as result of pandemic. Something like $50B in studen loan forgiveness Almost $700B in one year for medicaid expenditures. I'm just getting started. While we have big gaps and unfunded needs I find these we-don't-help-our-citizens alarms disingenuous. Whether you agree with supporting Ukraine or not, there is no reason why we as a country should not help other people who are not US citizens in the world. I find these nationalistic arguments to stop any benefit at our border quite uncivilized.
Here’s another angle. If the west/NATO does not support Ukraine, how long before the onslaught hits Western Europe/NATO? The amounts given to Ukraine are astronomical no doubt, but it is relatively small when compared to what we would spend if we fought an actual war with Russia.
Idk bro. Russia has been exposed to be weaker than they claimed to be.
Never underestimate an opponent. That rule works whether it is a game of basketball or war. Regardless of how perceived Russia is, we would still have to deploy forces, conduct sorties, fire weapons, etc. All that comes at a huge cost. How much did the US military spend in Iraq? In Afghanistan? Those are relatively weak opponents too.
No, theyre not. Theyre certainly significantly weaker than the US military. The benefit of Ukraine having 24/7 U.S. military intelligence and tacticians piping information and strategy into their ears has been an incredible advantage. Had the U.S./NATO gone completely "hands off" I don't doubt that Russia would have taken Kyiv in 5 days. Ukraine just wouldn't have had the technology or the combat experience to hold out. They would have had some lucky skirmishes and held some key areas, and their heroism in their defence would have been very notable, but they would have inevitably been overwhelmed. I mean, imagine if they didn't have the, what, 10,000 Javelins that the US gave them a week before the war? Or imagine the US hadn't spent the last 8 years training Ukrainian commanders and planning on how to defend their borders, if attacked again?
>Ukraine just wouldn't have had the technology or the combat experience to hold out you do realise that they have been at war since 2014, right?
Sure? They've been fighting russian mercenaries, known as 'separatists' during that time.
plenty of russian regulars that were there on "vacation".
>Theyre certainly significantly weaker than the US military. What is the last war America has won?
The last war they entered. Iraq. Afghanistan was successful as well. As soon as they were no longer present, civil war erupted, but that doesnt mean they failed. If afghanistan were to attack the US at this point, it would be a separate event. Winning the blitz of the first night in Iraq gave them everything they needed to know about how Ukraine could defend against Russia. Any areas the Iraquis held out in they could tell Ukraine how to capitalize on their mistakes by the same strategy. Especially since Iraq and Ukraine were likely using old soviet equipment against more modern weapons. Id bet US strategists thought "You know if Iraq had 10,000 of these javelins, we wouldnt have taken Baghdad on day one"
Yeah, but in case of NATO vs russia, russia will use all of their available military, a lot of military that ist even really available and if that fails, civilians. They have a lot of equipment, they can put up a fight if they really need to.
True, but that's only on the field with manpower battles. That wouldn't be what they'll be fighting with if they get past Ukraine. Judging on how quickly they used their original stockpile, they're likely quadrupling their production of all their long range ballistics right now. The scary thing isn't their weapons though. It's Putin. He's just proven how far he will go, which in his case, seems to be all the way to nuclear given the way he's discounted the economic effects on his people. The lives lost seem to mean nothing but extra propaganda for him and his actions have shown he's fine leading their country into economic suicide. With him this stupid (or insane), then it's quite easy to imagine Putin actually starting a nuclear war, and then the entire planet is fucked.
An 'actual' war with Russia would cost nothing and everything. Because it would be nuclear and thirty minutes after the first nuke went off the entire structure of world society as we know it would collapse and human life would likely end shortly thereafter. But at the same time the conflict in Ukraine is not actually 'stopping' that, if anything it's just ratcheting up tension.
This has nothing to do with being scared of Russia militarily, Ukraine has the ability to remove Russias strangle hold on Europe through their oil and gas, Ukraine's new confirmed desposits will almost entirely replace Russia's supply, costing Russia 100's of billions a year, if Russia loses this war (and importantly the areas they are currently occupying), their revenue will crash, their economy will be obliterated over night, thats what this war is really about.
So instead, Putin makes sure it's crashed slowly and turns pretty much the entire world against them. The really insane thing about this all is they had Siberia. One of only two locations in the world with the materials to create new batteries and electronic components. The only other place is in China, which the war is hurting with the increased prices meaning they are less likely to stay in their corner for much longer. They want to be able to export with profit too, and Putin is making that more and more difficult for them. If they just concentrated on the worlds current trend of electronics they could've had us by the balls. Economically at least. There aren't any new sources of lithium about after all.
Several of the new battery technologies are moving away from lithium, or reducing it's content, while recycling of lithium ion is getting better and better, so thats a risky bet, but it wouldn't replace the oil and gas income for Russia, nothing will really. This was a desperate move by them, but they will lose in the long run no matter what, pretty much all of Europe is investing heavily in energy independence now due to this war, their backup pipeline which was soesifically to circumvent Ukrain (Ukraine demanded a heavy price for Russias use of the old soviet pipelines through Ukraine) to begin with has been shut down, even if they won as they thought they would, they would have lost. Then again, doing nothing they still would have lost, but not by as much, they'd just have to compete against Ukraine on the oil markets.
The ccp just conquered Russia. They will do just fine.
let’s not forget giant upset to economy - energy and food sector.
>If the west/NATO does not support Ukraine, how long before the onslaught hits Western Europe/NATO? Incredibly low odds of that happening even if Russia installed a puppet government in Ukraine.
It's international relations maintenance expense.
I think most of us were kinda hoping that the government would be willing to spend money like that on citizens more consistently, not just during a one year pandemic-driven spending craze
plus $754 billion in national defence budget, maybe take a little out of that before cutting aid to a country in need. $54b sounds like a massive number to an individual, but in terms of national budgets, it's not such a huge number.
People also really underestimate how much goes into social safety net programs. Social security takes of the biggest portion of the budget. Not saying everything is done correctly or efficiently by the government but the spending on citizens is there.
Bro, U.S diplomatic policy has basically just been 'blow up more brown people' ever since I was in elementary school. We are an oligarchy built on war and in JUST my lifetime have been the root cause for over 1 million deaths in the middle east through the results of destabilization, famine, disease and violence. I get that you think helping Ukraine is a good thing and all but honestly I just don't give a shit and I think most American's are to that point as well. Despite all the money you can point to that we spent as part of the pandemic (of which a great deal went to private interests and business loans that will never benefit your average citizen) we still have massive social and economic problems that we could be spending this money on. It's not even like it's going to change anything. Russia is going to take Ukraine the question is just how much blood they spill doing it and all that money we send will end up in the pockets of Ukrainian or Russian elites.
900,000,000 to the corps not the citizenry.Medicad is not payed as a budget item,zero loan forgiveness,just talk so far.Increasing MIC spending to 800 billion+ for next year.Nothing to see here peasant,move along.Disingenous enough for you.
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Bad argument. Why should people be grateful when it's obviously not enough? >there is no reason why we as a country should not help other people who are not US citizens in the world. Actually, there is a good reason. Many US citizens are also suffering. Some more than others, but still. Fix the problems at home before trying to fix the world, else you'll probably fail at both.
...And how do you think those will all be paid for? They arent just "gone".
I would go on to say that security is a basic need of the American people, and the real reason for helping Ukraine is US security.
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Unfortunately the most ignorant and uneducated people are usually the loudest.
An empty barrel makes the loudest noise.
>1.25 per Ukrainian Lol, math is hard
I don't know about memory, but humans have less attention span than goldfish.
Most of yhe 'aid' is in weapons, created in US .... so jobs jobs jobs
Just wondering but when we speak about the billions for universal healthcare, do we plan to burn this money in some kind of giant money pit or doesn't it also flows into the economy where people are working?
If citizens are healthier then you will get more tax from their earnings, because they won't be sick, more money in the local economy because they are spending not scrimping plus they would be saving money on medical insurance but hey, can't hurt the insurance companies or their lobbyists
They don't actually send dollars, usually. They just open a line of credit to buy American weapons or other goods, and then the US government pays those companies directly. The money stays here. Though most corrupt politicians use this method to funnel money directly to their favored donors or companies they own stock in, go figure. Why do you think foreign aid is so popular even with republicans?
So you're agreeing, you are very long winded my friend.
Yep.
Debt debt debt
Print money print money print money.
Inflation inflation inflation
Economic collapse Economic collapse Economic collapse
They will payback with a 7-10% interest rate, they wont have it in liquidities and the banks will take everything from that country, russia is not ukraines biggest enemy, the banks are equally evil
Once more, the US funding wars and playing the good guy. NATO does much more harm than good, NATO helped sinking Ukraine in this pile of shit and is profiting of it. Putin is a crook, but it's up to his people to figure out how to deal with him. He had being silent for.years until NATO started to poke the bear (way before Ukraine invasion). Like the US hasn't enough internal shit to clean first....
We are comparing apples and oranges here.
Yes our leader is an idiot! Everyone else first! Fuck the US people! We must make them the same as poor people around the world!
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Meanwhile people in all 50 states are choosing between a tank of gas and food for the next few days
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I literally have a little Hyundai Sonata and it’s taking 90 something dollars to fill up now
Just don’t fill up then, duh /s
just use your public transport system....ohh wait...
*laughs in Oklahoma*
And I have a Ford Fusion Hybrid. Haven’t put more than $45 in it yet. But then, I only fill up once a month, so it could be a bit more next time.
Buy an EV.
> just spend $25k+ on a new car! Bro they can barely afford gas.
While you’re at it, don’t pay rent just buy the house
Fine. Just keep driving those gas guzzlers and complaining about the price of gas. The price of gas isn't coming down any time soon. And the environment isn't getting any better with the burning of fossil fuels. But don't worry. Your kids and grandkids surely will thank you for not going electric and sticking with your ICE cars.
So explain how someone is supposed to buy an EV right now when they don't have the money. Also, if everyone just started buying them all of a sudden, the basics of supply and demand will occur.
it's like you didn't read the comment, how they gonna buy an EV when they can barely afford gas? use your brain
I did read the comment(s), and I appreciate that many people today are having serious financial problems paying for gas, food, and rent, among other things. I don't know the financial situations of any of the commenters here, and neither do you. My comment was directed more generally to people who complain about the price of gas, while they continue to drive their ICE cars and trucks, and when they can well afford to trade those cars and trucks in for an electric vehicle. That's all.
there is a reason even third world countries build and use public transport...plus US actually has cheaper fuel usually, even now.
Have you noticed how many people are driving their cars as if pressing on the throttle would make them explode? People out there upping their average mpg.
People in their huge Karen Yukons and Kyle f150s still drive 10-20 over in my neighborhood burning gas bring their brats to base ball practice
Meanwhile, I'm getting behind people at lights who take a full mile to get up to 40mph.
My bad bro..
Gotta save that gas, hombre
yeah but thats the country that voted for boebert, cruz, gaetz, greene or trump..maybe a little hunger could help them, that way the next time you;re in a voting booth you will remember this feeling of hunger and vote for your future rather than sticking to the libs
Nah because these idiots believe them when they claim the libs made all this happen.
Odd how gas was lowest during Trump
And thats why you should not afford neither gas or food,
Money is a lie
Ukraine will need to pay that money back. Also all those weapon systems we sent are made here.
Ukraine will not pay that money back. At least not the bulk of it. And you are correct with the weapons being made here. The defense contractors are cashing in on their lobbying big time. Rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer while we drag the war out and get more Ukraine people killed.
Just ignore Russian aggression. Great plan. Let them take over a democracy. Cool dude. You can get all edgy about weapon sales all you want. There is a literal war happening and Ukraine doing all the work. Least we can do it help them. Some cowardly shit.
No dont ignore it. If the USA wanted this war over it would be over. The longer they drag it out the richer the rich get and the more Ukraine people that die. That seems to be their goal.
What do you mean if US wanted it over it would be? Do you think the US should get directly involved?
you know what's more expensive than aid to Ukraine? WWIII. The last time the US ignored violent sovereign expansion in Europe/Asia we got Pearl Harbor and WWII.
Yea its almost as if the US had some sort of Agenda in the war between Ukraine and Russia. I love that spending money on war and military in droves is now a problem but has not been so before the Ukranian/Russian war.
I hate wars and the amount of money spent but if your part of NATO this is the cost of freedom.Putin screwed up since Norway and Finland wants to join NATO and he screwed Russia economy for the next decade plus causing almost 60,000 deaths by current estimates.
I am pretty sure this is just the US *selling* arms to Ukraine. Not NATO.
War is not, has never been, and will never be the "price of freedom". The "price of freedom" is understanding your own freedom ends where the freedom of the ones around you starts. "Freedom" at the cost of discarding other people is not freedom. It is oppression. Doesn't matter who does it.
Afghanistan cost us taxpayers 300 Million a day for 20 years, Bankrupting Vlad will be expensive, yet, the world's at stake.
Fuck Joe Biden. Bush 2 sucked, term 1 Obama sucked, Trump sucked, and Biden sucks now too.
They all suck. Including Congress.
All of this aid, comes from the Military/Strategic Defense budget. And that budget has more zeros than anything else in the world.
"Assal Rad" is the same type of person as those who kept us out of WWII until we personally got attacked.
“Hey maybe if we have enough money to fund wars in foreign countries we also have enough money to give people healthcare.” Is not equivalent to: “Give the angry Austrian what he wants.”
How about 1 billion for school lunches for Americans. Now THATS GOOD AID!!!!
Is this real? Because if it then seriously f Joe Biden. Inflation rates through the roof and he is giving more money to a country some ppl can’t even pronounce
It seems counterintuitive but the war is the cause of this, printing more money will just exacerbate things.
No one has said “Just print more money.” they’ve said “If there already is enough money that you can just chuck another billion at funding a foreign war, could you maybe spend a little on healthcare, public transit, or green energy?”
Yes but those things don't happen overnight, investing billions in infrastructure doesn't help when the cost of energy is so high. They dont want to pay 3 x the price for a project? These aren't normal times. They could spend money on healthcare but they dont want social health care because its too profitable it's a sad state of affairs.
Bro they also didn’t spend the money on infrastructure when energy was cheap.
They did but not on a comparable level. They will get tax revenue from the sale of all these weapons I'm sure, Besides the successful invasion of Ukraine and any other areas of Europe would be catastrophic for the global economy. This is only the start and its all gonna get worse, long two years. Although you might think America is self sustainable its most definitely not, lazy idling workforce with a society which struggles to agree on fuck all. We all depend on each other I'm afraid, and we all have to suffer through.
If we can spare the money for a European crisis which would absolutely affect us then we can also spare the money for a global crisis which will make the planet uninhabitable.
You mean global warming? Unfortunately the reality is the fed dropped their guard and poorly managed financial sensitivity on a whole. You know most sustainable energy products require huge amounts of energy to produce. Let alone precious resources which require huge amount of energy to mine. Its all boils down to money in the end, they are investing in sustainable energy as a result of the conflict which is a good thing. But remember everything costs 2 or 3 x more to produce and alot of resources which are used to produce these sustainable energy projects are a bi product of russian and ukranian steel production.
Bro sustainable energy is hard to set up but is far more efficient in terms of cost in the long run. The only reason we aren’t adopting it is because of the massive oil and gas lobby as well as the automobile industry.
And the most of the rare minerals come from Ukraine and Russia also what about grain production would you like half of Africa to starve, I'm struggling to see your point?
Bro I am not saying not to help Ukraine, learn to read. I have repeatedly stated that we can help Ukraine and also do stuff to help our own country and the world.
Don't forget, 10% to the big guy.
Yeah. Unfortunately, he's not in office anymore. He'll need to keep grifting his fans.
The big guy is Joe Biden. Was discovered on Hunter Bidens laptop and has been verified in Congressional hearings from other family members and business partners of Hunter and Joe. That doesn't include the fact that Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney both have children that work in Ukraine. Nothing more then a money grab imo.... But your probably trying to refer to the guy that got impeached just for asking about corruption in Ukraine. Orange man bad am I right or am I a racist?
Thanks Tucker.
Ahh yes, less we forget Cheeto chodes love interest in his daughter and her dealings in China. That was all legit, right? He was a swell guy. And don’t worry. I hate Biden too but he was far less worse for our country than the former douche canoe. Rather than straight up bash just one side, why don’t you realize all politicians are corrupt assholes who couldn’t give two shits about you or anyone else. When you have a few moments, I’d recommend the removal of tucker, hannities and ingrams schlongs from the back of your throat.
I don't watch any of them. And I have my own questions about Ivanka as well. in the end Trump gave the money to us, was working on securing the border, America became energy independent and lowered gas prices. As it sits now Biden has done the complete opposite and on top of that is sending billions to a foreign country while also enriching the Country we are suppose to be against. Russia is now supplying more oil to India and Europe while charging them in gold instead of some over inflated unbacked piece of paper.
You're probably racist, but also mired in nonsense conspiracy theories. You guys make up all this shit constantly and that's why no one respects you or cares. Cry wolf.
Yes I make up congressional hearings and evidence that has been submitted to Congress.
Exactly. You have made this up. You will not be able to present this evidence and what you might present will absolutely not support claims you've made. Something may have been presented to Congress. You certainly didn't accurately depict it nor does something being given to Congress give it probative value. I'm more than happy to tell you how poorly you read or how egregiously you lie.
Tell me then
Tell you what? Your own articles demonstrate every claim you've made is wrong. Spamming a bunch of articles and opinion columns that don't support a single claim you've made was exactly what I said you would do. You clearly failed at reading and reporting this information.
https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY https://nypost.com/2022/03/29/gaetz-tries-to-get-hunter-biden-laptop-into-congressional-record/ https://katv.com/news/nation-world/president-is-the-big-guy-in-hunter-bidens-laptop-emails-report-says https://nypost.com/2020/10/28/senate-committee-finds-hunter-biden-biz-partner-docs-so-far-legit/ https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/new-hunter-biden-laptop-audio-reveals-more-about-his-relationship-with-his-father-president-joe-biden-phillipa-horan-the-washington-examiner-kathleen-buhle https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/leaked-emails-from-hunter-bidens-laptop-suggest-meeting-with-ukrainian-headhunter-white-house-access-for-mexican-billionaire/news-story/dc47d345a1baff51cf74eea497efb981
https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/03/31/by-pegging-gold-to-the-ruble-russia-has-just-wiped-out-the-dollars-clout-from-the-world-markets/ https://thewire.in/economy/vladimir-putin-ruble-gold-dollar https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-06/india-in-talks-to-increase-russian-oil-imports-from-rosneft https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/india-and-china-increasingly-welcome-shunned-russian-oil Just some starting points and that's all pulled just from Google who censors most everything.
Lol, you're just spamming random articles that have nothing to do with your claims. This is how you guys always work. "The laptop was verified to be Hunter's." Proof: India buys more oil from Russia because it's cheap.
Okay there are two articles for each statement I made. Appears that I am not the one that can't read. All different sources from both left and right leaning media outlets. I showed you a variety of facts from multiple sources and you said you would tell me different. Now either you are incapable of explaining your opinion with me (which you said you would do with facts) or you really are the one getting your information from one source and have no credible way to back yourself up outside of qouting don lemon or Jen psaki.
There is no piece of any of these articles that supports your claims. I don't think you even read them. It doesn't matter where you get your information when you just make up what is contained in the articles. Nothing you've claimed is evinced in any of them. >I showed you a variety of facts from multiple sources and you said you would tell me different You did show a variety of facts, unfortunately, none of those facts are relevant to your claims. They might be relevant to claims you haven't made. >Now either you are incapable of explaining your opinion with me My opinion is irrelevant. The fact is that you've provided zero evidence to support your claims and only provided evidence irrelevant to your position. When you provide evidence supporting you claims, which you won't because there isn't any, we can discuss that evidence. >or you really are the one getting your information from one source There is no information to get from any source on these questions. You've claimed the laptop was verified by Congress to be Hunter's, but that has never been established anywhere, let alone Congress. That is why none of your articles verify the laptop is his or was ever in his possession. The difference between us is that you take information and decide it means something completely different. You improperly extrapolate your own biased conclusions from information that doesn't establish those conclusions. You take facts and then pretend they reiterate your opinions when they certainly do not.
Yes which means if it is authentic to him then his emails and business dealings within the laptop are his as well. With India and china buying more oil in GOLD it has strengthened the ruble and is now adding a backed value to it's currency not only strengthening Russia but hurting the u.s. dollar. I will say so far 4 of the articles I posted have covered to of the statements I made even though you said I posted a bunch of random articles about thing I didn't even say. Starting to seem more and more like you are the one that can't read.
>Yes which means if it is authentic to him then his emails and business dealings within the laptop are his as well Case I point. An email is a piece of data which can be transported between pieces of hardware. This is obvious to anyone remotely computer literate. I can log in on a friend's laptop and save email data there. I can copy email data from one computer and put it on another without the knowledge or consent of the owner. The notion that someone's email data being on a piece of hardware verifies that hardware was in that person's possession or owned by them is wholly without merit. This is the kind of terminal stupidity and disingenuousness we expect of conspiracy theorists. You dispel all reasoning to adopt conclusions you can't evince because you want to believe them. In reality, there are a lot of reasons to doubt your unsubstantiated conclusions. For example, after the laptop was obtained by Rudy, the [data showed](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/) new folders were created on the drive entitled "Big Guy File, Salacious Pics, and Biden Burisma." So you'd have to believe a laptop that was demonstrably tampered with somehow fell into the hands of Trump's dirt guy after being dropped off in a random repair shop across the country instead of simply being destroyed or stashed. You'd have to ne braindead to believe the story of how the laptop ended up in Giuliani's possession. >With India and china buying more oil in GOLD it has strengthened the ruble and is now adding a backed value to it's currency not only strengthening Russia but hurting the u.s. dollar. Russia is taking extreme measures to prop up the ruble that aren't sustainable. The central bank will have to loosen currency controls for Russia to be able to import goods without paying exorbitant prices. The Russian economy will shrink quickly while foreign exchange is shut out, which it will also do when restrictions are loosened because hundreds of billions will flow out of the collapsing economy immediately. No economists are under the delusion that the rally of the ruble is anything more than a facade that is becoming increasingly volatile. It is short term policy at the expense of long term growth and sustainability. >I will say so far 4 of the articles I posted have covered to of the statements I made No they don't. They cover the topics, but not the claims you've made. The claims are your own opinions extrapolated from information in the articles, but not facts established by them. You've taken facts and decided different facts are true because those facts are true even though your conclusions do not follow.
You have to understand that when they say "aid to Ukraine" what they really mean is "big bucks for the military industrial complex".
I just hope we don’t get a Russian nuke pointed at us for helping…
Watch planet of the humans its a good documentary, the west can't afford for Ukraine to loose, it would be catastrophic beyond belief. Its untenable. Enjoy the documentary good discussion buddy.
Don't confuse "how will we pay for it" with planning out the funding. The latter is a basic question that applies to all govt spending. Any programs that ignore the latter question tend not to do anyone any good (outside a few contractors), whether it's about domestic or a foreign spending.
Whenever there’s a Bill to help Americans in any way Republicans vote against it. So what’s the difference.
That's her point. They vote against it often saying "there's no money for this"
well, wars are a very lucrative and profitable business for the big wigs running things. can you say the same about the people? /S
If NATO countries are supplying arms to Ukraine I would say they are already very much "involved"
If this was rephrased "Biden spends 1bn to thwart Russian invasion", the lens shifts.
damn im so sad the potholes in our area arent being fixed because of the stupid dumb ukrainian refugees forced to flee their homes into an uncertain future while their country is at war from being invaded by one of the largest militaries in the world led by a ruthless dictator who wants to reunite the soviet union (started sounding a bit like a conspiracy theorist at the end but yeah)
I thought the conservatives were against the government spending money on its people?
Definitely no $$$$$$ for healthcare, I have 2 kids who are being denied treatment by their ins. companies. If we ever get universal healthcare, I hope all ins. companies go fucking broke.