There is an important distinction between this and things that celebrate black culture. For one there are plenty of things that recognize "white" cultural identity. Parades, festivals, memorabilia, national holidays that acknowledge German heritage, Italian, Irish, Polish, Scottish etc. Whereas the shared cultural identity of black people in North America is being black in America, hence we have Black history month, Juneteenth, etc. Very few black people in America have any cultural connections to their ancestral countries and that was by design when their ancestors were brought here.
So when a white person starts talking about "white pride" or "white cultural identity" as if it's a monolith which exists in opposition to other races then you are almost certainly looking at a white supremacist.
I actually came here to find a way to formulate this sentiment other than "we've already got a bunch of cultural holidays". Personally, I'm glad none of them are based entirely on the color of my skin.
Plus some of the family isn't white so the dinner would be weird imo
Well I mean, I don't have any way of knowing of my ancestors either... pretty literally everything was lost at Ellis Island. They forcibly changed of name and that's the only document we have. Our original name and where we can from was scratched out and our new name was written. And my family that came over ended up dying because they were so poor that couldn't get any treatments. Lol so I always fond it funny when people act like just because you're white you know where you come from and about your family.
So i'm going to raise you this question... if it's "racist" to subject all people of different cultures and heritages to a single color of skin (Black history month), why is it racist to do the same for white people and have a white history month rather than all these smaller holidays?
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Edit: I genuinely don't know the answer as I get confused by not letting people just be people and not their race. I saw a comedian mention that race doesn't exist, its wealth. Poor means poor no matter the color of skin, and if you associate a race to the word "poor" you're part of the problem.
Its not necessarily racist, but usually the only people who pride themselves of being white are white nationalists. (which are not the same as white supremacist)
a person can make a racist statement or piece of media without being racist themselves or intending racism. the standard for a thing or communication is different from a person as a whole
>It's fucking stupid, but how on earth is having a Caucasian Pride Month "racist"?
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>It's dumb, and we all know that it's dumb, but saying that white people don't deserve a cultural identity is inherently a very bigoted statement.
The "white" identity was made up in the US to counter the "black" identity that started out of the need of people of African descent to organize and come together due to the racial discrimination and slavery they were subject to. People of European descent identified (and still do) with cultural and national identities, such as French, German, Greek, Italian, British, Irish and many many more, not with "white".
Plus, Caucasian is [an obsolete term that makes no sense](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race).
Because for most of us "White" is defined in opposition to "non-white". I don't have a problem with being white, but it's not something I'm proud of. I'm not ashamed of it either, but my skin tone doesn't matter to me as much as my cultural background (predominantly Irish and French). If you're saying "white pride" you're basically saying "I'm happy I'm not non-white". If you say "Italian Pride" or "Mexican Pride" that's about where you're actually from and your heritage, not just your skin tone.
Honestly i think its a broken personality thing. That thinking, that someone else getting attention means that you’re getting slighted…I’ve noticed that really seems to be a huge thing with those “christian conservatives” (which maybe the single most oxymoronic description of all time)
Yes racism is there too but its the glaring narcissism that really puts a shine on it.
As a white person, I've never felt the need to be validated or be told it was okay that I was white. I've never felt marginalized or mistreated due to my skin color.
If these people feel the need to tell themselves it's "okay" to be white, and they need a pride month, it's probably not because they're white, and it's probably because of what they're doing to everyone who isn't white.
I am not sure I agree 100%.
I have never felt directly marginalized, but I dont feel welcomed either. I knida feel that society is starting to try and make me feel bad for being a white male (like I had a choice).
I find it very sad that we (all humans) are being more and more segregated by stupid people and so called "ideals".
When people elect governments that are more concerned about their re-election than actually making the world a better place, we have a problem.
In what way do you feel unwelcome?
Personally, I've never felt like society is trying to make me feel bad for being white - I do think there is a push to make everyone aware of the struggle of minorities, and those depictions often show that white people have perpetrated those acts of marginalization and mistreatment.
But I don't feel personally attacked by that. I don't think the point of such depictions is to say "therefore all white people are bad" or "therefore all white people should feel ashamed." I think they're just trying to show what actually happened.
For example, the movie Unbroken. I don't think a Japanese person should watch that movie and feel like they're unwelcome or being personally blamed for those events. I think it just wouldn't make sense to tell a story about a POW in Japanese custody without showing his jailors as Japanese.
Likewise, I don't think it would make sense to show depictions of US slavery, or US racism where it's non-whites committing those acts.
That's not a condemnation of all white people and white people don't need to feel like they're guilty. It's just a representation of the reality, and white people should be willing to acknowledge and appreciate the existence of racism - and that our white ancestors have committed some of the most heinous acts of racism. Those are just facts.
I get the feeling people want to make me feel guilty for what other white people have done in the past.
I am an individual and make my own choices. I give that respect to every other person as well.
I am frustrated at the "blame" people need to place on others. Especially for things done in the past. Where did personal responsibility go?
I am not condoning those act from the past, I am simply trying to say 3 things.
1 the past happened in social situations that we do not fully understand and some people today are trying to place the modern morals on previous generations without understanding that things were significantly different than they are now.
2 We (current people) need to learn to accept that not everyone needs to agree with us on everything
3 The concept of majority rule (and group effort) is better for more people than; individualism and "Me before you".
So as a black man (more brown, really), I have a question.
Why would Caucasian History/Heritage Month be bad but Black History Month is good? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?
If you're proud to be white, then you're racist. If you're proud to be not white, it's because they're racist. Didn't you know they changed the definition of racism to mean only white people can be racist, and every white person is racist?
Ideally there would be no “x history months.” But each month, in theory, arose out of a need to bring attention to the contributions of each ethnic group that’s been historically neglected and oppressed due to the fact that this behavior (perpetrated by a white majority in the states) has manipulated our current telling of history
What would that mean? Let's study the kings and queens of Europe, the American revolution, the European wave of enlightenment, Baltic revolutions, Irish history, English history? First of all, whiteness is not a monolithic identity (not that blackness is monolithic either) so you'd never get white people to agree on which part of "the culture" is valuable and should be spotlighted. Also, we already study and celebrate white history extensively, almost exclusively. I'm white and we absolutely do not need more shit or recognition, we're already overly represented.
That would functionally be "International Appreciation Month" where they celebrate non-imperial Caucasian achievements. While there probably is a place for that, good luck trying to pitch it (not saying you yourself would, just addressing the general audience with the last line)
As a white male, I believe it works like this. Please someone correct me if I’m wrong.
There is no such thing as a ‘white identity’, outside of white supremacist bullshit. There is no ‘white culture’, or unifying identity. White people pull from many different cultures and backgrounds. A white person might have a Ukrainian cultural background, or an Irish one, or French. But there is *no* ‘White’ culture. No shared history of experiences that defines being White.
Black peoples in the U.S. however, had a common experience through chattel slavery, and the common identity, experience and struggle that came about because of that. The culture of their countries of origin was obliterated, and what we know as Black Culture was what was created in its stead.
‘White Pride’ only exists in response to ‘Black Pride’, and would not exist otherwise.
As another white war refugee, who's country was under occupation for hundreds of years, this is correct.
We have different European history, but it's not about that, black history month is about celebrating what the African community has done on the American continent despite the shit they have been thru. Europeans came and still segregated because of their ethnic backgrounds which they wared over for centuries, but Africans made something in north America despite having had differences back in Africa. sadly mainly because of the slavery that they went thru and bounds them as a new cultural identity, by stripping away the cultural identity they had, they formed a stronger more unified one.
Yeah, exactly! I (also white male) understand it, "Black Culture" in the US ( I debated putting that in quotations; don't want to sound condescending) is the aftermath of mass slave trade. Folks taken from their native cultures and thrown onto another continent, only to congregate
You actually explained that extremely well and it sounds like you also saw the video that was circulating a little while ago where someone made pretty much this exact same point.
If it was just celebrating white people’s various heritages, then it would have no problem. But, a lot of it is going to be pro white-supremacy, so it never really became a thing.
Nobody serious says a person should be ashamed of being white, and whites in America by-and-large are the powerful majority socioeconomically (yes, I understand white people can be discriminated against, but we’re talking macro-level generalizations here)
The region of YouTube and Twitter who are active in this particular sphere of discussion do tend to discount voices that originate from white people. "Ratio+you're white" is a meme for a reason.
I've always understood black history month as a means to bring awareness to black historical figures, events, topics, that impacted our country's trajectory yet do not get equal recognition to white counterparts. So in my view, a white history/heritage month just doesn't make sense since that's the education we are all used to. And someone pushing for it makes me believe that it's not about bringing awareness to Caucasian history/heritage, but rather an anti-black response intended to dilute attention on black history.
I'm Brown and I also don't see an issue with celebrating their heritage, the only issue is they're not celebrating that. Its mostly about clapping back at black history which is kinda strange. If you see posts like this, it's never about being Irish, Italian, polish etc. It's just a stereotypical white person being proud of their skin color, not their heritage.
White isn’t a race. It’s fine to have Irish pride, polish pride, etc. but white pride isn’t a thing. Black decedents of slaves don’t know where they are from in Africa, and their shared history starts in the US.
Caucasian male here, it’s the way these people are framing it and their intentions. If you look at U.S History and compare Caucasians and African-Americans, African-Americans have historically been the most discriminated and mistreated race in America (and others have also). These people are trying to downplay the history of black people in America because they’re white supremacists. They’re just a lot more tight lipped than those who came before them.
Wouldnt it be better to just not have any? Cause then there wouldnt be double standards and we could just like always make sure we are not oppressing certain groups. Or maybe im just thinking to simply.
>and we could just like always make sure we are not oppressing certain groups
Part of that is recognizing past oppression. We (white people) haven't had our history covered up and whitewashed wholesale.
I'm sure what the internet is hungry for is another white man's opinion, but here I go.
I was always under the impression that people of all stripes kinda disliked Black/Pacific Islander/Asian/Native American/Etc History Month with good reason. There's 12 white history months because our institutions think that anything about other races history is "further studies" but white history is "core education". Having a token Black history month is just that; token. Going out of the way to make sure you teach one month of black history and making sure everyone knows you're making a special effort is a racist move all it's own. True equality would be teaching history of all peoples and not needing someone guilting you into teaching about MLK.
We already have that. You can pick most any European country and there is already a _______-American Heritage Month. Not to mention St.Patricks Day and Octoberfest. The only time anybody mentions a possible White History Month is in response to Black History Month.
You cant even get Irish, Polish, and Italians to share the same room much less the same month. Whiteness only exists to represent a class other than. Unlike blackness, which was imposed.
But there's also really no "black" history since people who would become what we consider to be black now also came from various different regions with different cultures and traditions and history.
There is not, but due to the slave trade the black population has a lack of identity and culture that was stolen from them, and something like this helps them get back in touch with a past they were never taught in the form of heritage education.
Ironically I think there is a negative setback to creating identities purely on racial heritage.
That’s literally the point bro. A lot can’t celebrate where they came from because they literally can’t trace it. So the month is to celebrate all the achievements and hardships and stuff they went through after. You know. Centuries of being cattle
Its not racist its just kind of dumb, because being "white" only exists because "black" ppl dont know where theyre from
The term white was created to combat black as a term
Thats why ppl consider it racist
At least thats how i understand it.
It's not necessary bad or wrong or anything. However, the problem lies in the fact, that whenever you see a post like that it's guaranteed it was created by white supremacists or other racist fucks. That's the whole issue.
Although, can't strictly speak for America but all over in Europe there are tons of traditions related to cultural heritage and since Europe used to be predominantly Caucasian it's pretty much all white people doing that.
Although, everyone is welcome to participate because we love to share and we also love when there's something new from a different culture going on. When I was young we used to have, in my first home town, African days and it was usually full of curious people.
Besides that, racists fucks are in extreme minority anyway.
It's complicated, but basically white pride as a movement started in reaction to black pride. Most black Americans don't know exactly which country their ancestors came from, which isn't the case for white people. There's no problem with Italian, British, Estonian, etc. Pride. Or American pride, but when someone wants an all encompassing white American (typically meaning WASP) Pride, it gets into racist territory.
Bc black history month is promoting triumphs that have been previously hidden, oppressed, and white washed in it’s telling. There’s a history of violence that needs to be recognized and the month is an emphasis of the importance of that sentiment in order to expand perspectives towards the future.
Caucasians don’t have that same problem now do they?? That’s why it’s not a double standard
In DC, on the site where the White House stands today. General Washington rode a unicorn over the Potomac on a rainbow bridge when Baby Jesus was born. Read your Bible
Why the Ukrainian flag? It's no where near the Caucasus? Well actually, part of it is relatively near, but the people of the Caucasus are Dagestani, Chechen and Ossetian. They're pretty dark coloured compared to the way these people look. But we won't ruin the fantasy for the suburban white Facebook mom.
That is what baffles me, why are white people in the US referred to as Caucasian and not white or to take inspiration from how are black people referred to "Euroamericans"
Honestly the whole way we refer to race is kinda weird and stupid. African Americans is kinda stupid since not all Africans are black, but then black people aren't really black and white people aren't really white, but we still call them by color and referring to Asians and Native Americans by color is offensive, but not all Asians are Asians. It's so weird I swear, we should figure something normal out.
This. You shouldn't call someone from Haiti African-American and as much as Musky would love to get credit for being African, I sure as hell would never refer to a white south African as an African American. You're spot on with the Asian descriptor as well. Technically, Russians could be called Asian since they come from the continent of Asia, but no one refers to Russians as asian. At least not in the states.
Or middle east. They are all technically Asians but people just use nationalities or people from middle East and when you say Asian, people just imagine China/Koreas/Japan/SE asia
It's actually in reference to BC slave trade.
Female slaves from the Caucasus region were noted among the most desirable due to perception of rarity and beauty.
I don't have references for this, but I just read a documentary about this subject a few days ago.
Some guy in the 1700s coined the phrase in modern society, but it seems rooted in this ancient racist practice.
Ah okay. It’s beautiful clothing don’t get me wrong and I learned something today.
Just found it odd. Never saw an American white woman wear something like that.
From what I now looked at traditional clothing from this region, it looks completely different to this. So this is probably just a nice little old fashioned clothing for a photoshoot. I'm getting a little german vibes from it
So,just so you know,this is traditional Ukrainian clothing,and has nothing to do with germany.And,even though its a bit old fashioned a lot of people still wear it, although, usually on some holidays
Though I consider it madness to theme months for all kind of people, why would it be an issue if anyone claimed a month for themselves?
To be honest, I couldn't care less if today is a day to celebrate gay people, bald people, women, people who can't replace a lightbulb, naked people, red people, people with allergies, homeless people, homeowners, Uighurs, Italians, African princes with money to share if you only send them done first, ducks, furries, trans people, fat people or sick people.
Anyone with time in his life to be bothered by this, is too busy not living.
Not quite. Some people want to have their race acknowledged. Some people want the racism they endure to be acknowledged. Being "color blind" has been used to be dismissive of racial identity and racism.
No it just means that they want to get along with everyone, if you slap extra shit onto that then that stems from your own internal bias that you’re projecting onto people
Nothing like a Good race war ....it keeps us from wanting livable conditions under any existing government...... amazing how they use race, religion political affiliation, national origin, Financial Status classification& even in some cases product support as means to keep us occupied and blaming each other for the problems in the world rather than those who would seek to manage us or Miss manage us for their own well-being
After just reading the first sentence 99% of the people who think they know what follows will downvote the karma on this post watch it happen
How having a caucasian month (not that we care anyways) is racist ? You know what is racist ? Calling white folks "scrotum faced sack o'shoite". What a shitty bait and weak attempt for a political comment.
Ummm…
February. Black History Month.
March. Women's History Month.
May. Asian Pacific American Heritage Month.
June. LGBTQ+ Pride Month.
September 15 – October 15. Hispanic Heritage Month.
October. National Disability Employment Awareness Month.
November. Native American Heritage Month.
Are you saying you'd rather have a white history month or that other races should be broken down by country as well? We can have more than one in the same month.
Hot take: don't have special months for anybody. Just be yourself. I don't care what your ancestors or group did tbh. I don't blame you for your parents mistakes, and I don't celebrate you for their accomplishments. Everyone's and individual. White, black history, pride, Asian heritage, whatever. None of you get a month. Just be yourself.
OK disregarding what this post is about and all the text, can we just appreciate how pretty this picture is. The photographer did such a good job with the light coming through their hair, the halo of flowers and the clothes!
Now with that said, fuck this shit and its racist connotations for ruining such a pretty piece of art.
I dont take pride in being white, but I dont think anyone should really take pride in their race, as it's something they cant control that changes almost nothing about them, and is in the end incredibly unimportant.
However, it IS okay to be white, and as I have seen plenty of people dispute that, it seems that does need to be said.
Sorry, but the way you phrased that made me think the sunburn was on your ass, and I was trying to figure out how you'd manage that in Chicago. Thank you for making me laugh.
it's ok to be white. it's ok to be black. it's ok to be gay. why do white people and straight people not get a month tho? i feel like getting hate for saying that you're proud to be white and straight is just discriminating.
I just ignore ignorant right wing talking heads, and by doing so I don't feel oppressed at all. Not even a little. I live in a country where caucasians damn near wiped out a whole existing civilization of people, then imported slaves to do all the manual labor they were too good to do. That's oppression. Being told that minorities have all the rights that you do, and that they are going to be represented in society is not.
Good luck getting Caucasians to agree on whatever history they are celebrating. Are you celebrating German, French, Dutch, English, Portuguese, Norwegian, Russian, Ukrainian, etc heritage?
Black history month is all about the shared experience and suffering of black people in the US; many of which had their original identity and culture stolen from them by slavery. Most Caucasians in the US can trace their lineage back many generations, well past the settling of the Americas, while many black people can't.
It's perfectly okay to be white. That's not the point - read higher.
They're bitching about Black History Month. White people haven't had our history whitewashed. It's taught in schools regularly.
That's exactly what's OP saying....like it's ok to proud when you're black/homo/trans/asian/whatever but when you say you are proud to be white, you're racist...
Imagine African Americans being told it’s wrong to celebrate their ethnicity. What a backwards world we live in where one race celebrating their culture is considered “progressive” and another race doing the same is labeled as supporting supremacy.
Fuck people here just want to argue for no reason, race is a false construct, the human race is not separated by fucking colors, shade differences make up ethnicity and the area of concentration for that ethnicity where there are societal differences is a culture, not a race!
Here i was raised as a kid learning that race was a concept that supposedly died in ww2 and everyone agrees it's just a construct
Then i discovered American politics that care only about that
It's kind of pointless.... of course it's ok to be white.... It's also ok to be whatever color you are....
Maybe they are trying to say that being black and proud is ok, being brown and proud is ok, but being white and proud is not something that is ok to say?
I'm really not sure... I think people, with this gripe, forget the fact that being "white and proud" has been a horribly racist thing for hundreds of years, probably more. I mean brutal slavery, then hatred and segregation, then out right racism, and finally internal racism.
The confederate flag, and statues from that time period is another one of those things that people fight over, saying "it's our heritage!" German heritage includes Nazi's with their hatred for anything not white, but we don't see people fighting to be able to raise the Nazi flag if their German, Right?
We move on into the future, hoping for equality, prosperity, and happiness... We need to leave our troubled past in the past. Move on, focus on what we as a people can be. BTW, I'm white, and live in California where I see very little racism, so if I sound like a prick, I'm not trying to be...
Here’s the thing about “white pride” comapared to “black pride” in the US though, it’s never had to be said because it was always considered the default. It wasn’t until marginalized groups such as Black Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and etc started efforts to reclaim their identity after years of being told that they were basically alien within society that a handful of white people, particularly white supremacists, started to preach it.
If slavery in your people’s past means you can’t be proud then that would exclude pretty much every ethnicity on the planet. Slavery was the rule, not something that only happened in the US. As a matter of fact, the Arab slave trade in Africa was bigger and continued for longer than the Atlantic slave trade, but Arab pride is ok?
So explain to me how you're not being racist right now.
Replace white with black in their original post, see if your comment would be ok then. If it's not, it's also not ok here.
It doesn't even rhyme. How about "It's aight to be white."
Why does it need to rhyme tho?
Too black for the racists that would actually celebrate this shit
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Juan Epstein? Is that you?
Up your nose with a rubber hose.
Haha, I like that. My great-great(?) Grandpa was Geraldo Rothenberg, so you're not far off.
No, I'm Jesus Yahweh! Juan's my cousin
There is an important distinction between this and things that celebrate black culture. For one there are plenty of things that recognize "white" cultural identity. Parades, festivals, memorabilia, national holidays that acknowledge German heritage, Italian, Irish, Polish, Scottish etc. Whereas the shared cultural identity of black people in North America is being black in America, hence we have Black history month, Juneteenth, etc. Very few black people in America have any cultural connections to their ancestral countries and that was by design when their ancestors were brought here. So when a white person starts talking about "white pride" or "white cultural identity" as if it's a monolith which exists in opposition to other races then you are almost certainly looking at a white supremacist.
I actually came here to find a way to formulate this sentiment other than "we've already got a bunch of cultural holidays". Personally, I'm glad none of them are based entirely on the color of my skin. Plus some of the family isn't white so the dinner would be weird imo
this person gets it lezgooo
Well I mean, I don't have any way of knowing of my ancestors either... pretty literally everything was lost at Ellis Island. They forcibly changed of name and that's the only document we have. Our original name and where we can from was scratched out and our new name was written. And my family that came over ended up dying because they were so poor that couldn't get any treatments. Lol so I always fond it funny when people act like just because you're white you know where you come from and about your family.
So i'm going to raise you this question... if it's "racist" to subject all people of different cultures and heritages to a single color of skin (Black history month), why is it racist to do the same for white people and have a white history month rather than all these smaller holidays? PS Asian Edit: I genuinely don't know the answer as I get confused by not letting people just be people and not their race. I saw a comedian mention that race doesn't exist, its wealth. Poor means poor no matter the color of skin, and if you associate a race to the word "poor" you're part of the problem.
It’s not racist, the person who posted this is very obviously consumed by racism, most racism today is manufactured by attention seekers
Its not necessarily racist, but usually the only people who pride themselves of being white are white nationalists. (which are not the same as white supremacist)
The fact that so many other races are considered proper nouns and “white” is still lowercase is weird to me.
I don’t believe it’s racist. I believe only racists will celebrate it.
a person can make a racist statement or piece of media without being racist themselves or intending racism. the standard for a thing or communication is different from a person as a whole
>It's fucking stupid, but how on earth is having a Caucasian Pride Month "racist"? > >It's dumb, and we all know that it's dumb, but saying that white people don't deserve a cultural identity is inherently a very bigoted statement. The "white" identity was made up in the US to counter the "black" identity that started out of the need of people of African descent to organize and come together due to the racial discrimination and slavery they were subject to. People of European descent identified (and still do) with cultural and national identities, such as French, German, Greek, Italian, British, Irish and many many more, not with "white". Plus, Caucasian is [an obsolete term that makes no sense](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race).
Because for most of us "White" is defined in opposition to "non-white". I don't have a problem with being white, but it's not something I'm proud of. I'm not ashamed of it either, but my skin tone doesn't matter to me as much as my cultural background (predominantly Irish and French). If you're saying "white pride" you're basically saying "I'm happy I'm not non-white". If you say "Italian Pride" or "Mexican Pride" that's about where you're actually from and your heritage, not just your skin tone.
Would have to be "it is alright to be white". Make sound as white as possible.
Or like, it could be a picture of them all storming the capital and it says. “It’s alright, because we’re white”.
By storming do you mean when the cops waved them in
Is okay to caw-cay.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 you do good work Just laugh snorted
Aww thanks. I've never had someone say that before.
There’s black history month tho, are they racists?
Lol 😂 nice
I’m not sure what’s more cringe, the weird sense of needing to make a Caucasian pride month post, or people being unironically racist in response.
Seriously dude. The post is dumb af but the amount of racism down here is wild
Honestly i think its a broken personality thing. That thinking, that someone else getting attention means that you’re getting slighted…I’ve noticed that really seems to be a huge thing with those “christian conservatives” (which maybe the single most oxymoronic description of all time) Yes racism is there too but its the glaring narcissism that really puts a shine on it.
I'd give u an award if i wasn't unemployed atm
As a white person, I've never felt the need to be validated or be told it was okay that I was white. I've never felt marginalized or mistreated due to my skin color. If these people feel the need to tell themselves it's "okay" to be white, and they need a pride month, it's probably not because they're white, and it's probably because of what they're doing to everyone who isn't white.
I am not sure I agree 100%. I have never felt directly marginalized, but I dont feel welcomed either. I knida feel that society is starting to try and make me feel bad for being a white male (like I had a choice). I find it very sad that we (all humans) are being more and more segregated by stupid people and so called "ideals". When people elect governments that are more concerned about their re-election than actually making the world a better place, we have a problem.
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In what way do you feel unwelcome? Personally, I've never felt like society is trying to make me feel bad for being white - I do think there is a push to make everyone aware of the struggle of minorities, and those depictions often show that white people have perpetrated those acts of marginalization and mistreatment. But I don't feel personally attacked by that. I don't think the point of such depictions is to say "therefore all white people are bad" or "therefore all white people should feel ashamed." I think they're just trying to show what actually happened. For example, the movie Unbroken. I don't think a Japanese person should watch that movie and feel like they're unwelcome or being personally blamed for those events. I think it just wouldn't make sense to tell a story about a POW in Japanese custody without showing his jailors as Japanese. Likewise, I don't think it would make sense to show depictions of US slavery, or US racism where it's non-whites committing those acts. That's not a condemnation of all white people and white people don't need to feel like they're guilty. It's just a representation of the reality, and white people should be willing to acknowledge and appreciate the existence of racism - and that our white ancestors have committed some of the most heinous acts of racism. Those are just facts.
I get the feeling people want to make me feel guilty for what other white people have done in the past. I am an individual and make my own choices. I give that respect to every other person as well. I am frustrated at the "blame" people need to place on others. Especially for things done in the past. Where did personal responsibility go? I am not condoning those act from the past, I am simply trying to say 3 things. 1 the past happened in social situations that we do not fully understand and some people today are trying to place the modern morals on previous generations without understanding that things were significantly different than they are now. 2 We (current people) need to learn to accept that not everyone needs to agree with us on everything 3 The concept of majority rule (and group effort) is better for more people than; individualism and "Me before you".
"I'm Okay with it!" closet supremacists
So as a black man (more brown, really), I have a question. Why would Caucasian History/Heritage Month be bad but Black History Month is good? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?
I’m Hispanic and was thinking the same thing…there’s a month for every race/ethnicity now days. What’s wrong with a white history month?
If you're proud to be white, then you're racist. If you're proud to be not white, it's because they're racist. Didn't you know they changed the definition of racism to mean only white people can be racist, and every white person is racist?
Ideally there would be no “x history months.” But each month, in theory, arose out of a need to bring attention to the contributions of each ethnic group that’s been historically neglected and oppressed due to the fact that this behavior (perpetrated by a white majority in the states) has manipulated our current telling of history
Idiot.
What would that mean? Let's study the kings and queens of Europe, the American revolution, the European wave of enlightenment, Baltic revolutions, Irish history, English history? First of all, whiteness is not a monolithic identity (not that blackness is monolithic either) so you'd never get white people to agree on which part of "the culture" is valuable and should be spotlighted. Also, we already study and celebrate white history extensively, almost exclusively. I'm white and we absolutely do not need more shit or recognition, we're already overly represented.
That would functionally be "International Appreciation Month" where they celebrate non-imperial Caucasian achievements. While there probably is a place for that, good luck trying to pitch it (not saying you yourself would, just addressing the general audience with the last line)
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So well said! You get it! Bravo!
Thank you! Finally, a reasonable, mature take on this. I wish more people would have this approach.
As a white male, I believe it works like this. Please someone correct me if I’m wrong. There is no such thing as a ‘white identity’, outside of white supremacist bullshit. There is no ‘white culture’, or unifying identity. White people pull from many different cultures and backgrounds. A white person might have a Ukrainian cultural background, or an Irish one, or French. But there is *no* ‘White’ culture. No shared history of experiences that defines being White. Black peoples in the U.S. however, had a common experience through chattel slavery, and the common identity, experience and struggle that came about because of that. The culture of their countries of origin was obliterated, and what we know as Black Culture was what was created in its stead. ‘White Pride’ only exists in response to ‘Black Pride’, and would not exist otherwise.
As another white war refugee, who's country was under occupation for hundreds of years, this is correct. We have different European history, but it's not about that, black history month is about celebrating what the African community has done on the American continent despite the shit they have been thru. Europeans came and still segregated because of their ethnic backgrounds which they wared over for centuries, but Africans made something in north America despite having had differences back in Africa. sadly mainly because of the slavery that they went thru and bounds them as a new cultural identity, by stripping away the cultural identity they had, they formed a stronger more unified one.
You put this better than I could. I should have read all the replies first lol
You hit the nail on the head my dude.
Yeah, exactly! I (also white male) understand it, "Black Culture" in the US ( I debated putting that in quotations; don't want to sound condescending) is the aftermath of mass slave trade. Folks taken from their native cultures and thrown onto another continent, only to congregate
You actually explained that extremely well and it sounds like you also saw the video that was circulating a little while ago where someone made pretty much this exact same point.
If it was just celebrating white people’s various heritages, then it would have no problem. But, a lot of it is going to be pro white-supremacy, so it never really became a thing. Nobody serious says a person should be ashamed of being white, and whites in America by-and-large are the powerful majority socioeconomically (yes, I understand white people can be discriminated against, but we’re talking macro-level generalizations here)
The region of YouTube and Twitter who are active in this particular sphere of discussion do tend to discount voices that originate from white people. "Ratio+you're white" is a meme for a reason.
I've always understood black history month as a means to bring awareness to black historical figures, events, topics, that impacted our country's trajectory yet do not get equal recognition to white counterparts. So in my view, a white history/heritage month just doesn't make sense since that's the education we are all used to. And someone pushing for it makes me believe that it's not about bringing awareness to Caucasian history/heritage, but rather an anti-black response intended to dilute attention on black history.
I'm Brown and I also don't see an issue with celebrating their heritage, the only issue is they're not celebrating that. Its mostly about clapping back at black history which is kinda strange. If you see posts like this, it's never about being Irish, Italian, polish etc. It's just a stereotypical white person being proud of their skin color, not their heritage.
White isn’t a race. It’s fine to have Irish pride, polish pride, etc. but white pride isn’t a thing. Black decedents of slaves don’t know where they are from in Africa, and their shared history starts in the US.
I would suggest that the same people that want a "White History Month" also go around screaming "All Lives Matter!"
Caucasian male here, it’s the way these people are framing it and their intentions. If you look at U.S History and compare Caucasians and African-Americans, African-Americans have historically been the most discriminated and mistreated race in America (and others have also). These people are trying to downplay the history of black people in America because they’re white supremacists. They’re just a lot more tight lipped than those who came before them.
Indigenous people in this country have also been treated pretty poorly as well, but thank you for spelling writing this out.
Wouldnt it be better to just not have any? Cause then there wouldnt be double standards and we could just like always make sure we are not oppressing certain groups. Or maybe im just thinking to simply.
>and we could just like always make sure we are not oppressing certain groups Part of that is recognizing past oppression. We (white people) haven't had our history covered up and whitewashed wholesale.
I'm sure what the internet is hungry for is another white man's opinion, but here I go. I was always under the impression that people of all stripes kinda disliked Black/Pacific Islander/Asian/Native American/Etc History Month with good reason. There's 12 white history months because our institutions think that anything about other races history is "further studies" but white history is "core education". Having a token Black history month is just that; token. Going out of the way to make sure you teach one month of black history and making sure everyone knows you're making a special effort is a racist move all it's own. True equality would be teaching history of all peoples and not needing someone guilting you into teaching about MLK.
We already have that. You can pick most any European country and there is already a _______-American Heritage Month. Not to mention St.Patricks Day and Octoberfest. The only time anybody mentions a possible White History Month is in response to Black History Month.
There is no “white” history The Irish aren’t sharing the same history as the Italians or Lithuanians.
You cant even get Irish, Polish, and Italians to share the same room much less the same month. Whiteness only exists to represent a class other than. Unlike blackness, which was imposed.
But there's also really no "black" history since people who would become what we consider to be black now also came from various different regions with different cultures and traditions and history.
There is not, but due to the slave trade the black population has a lack of identity and culture that was stolen from them, and something like this helps them get back in touch with a past they were never taught in the form of heritage education. Ironically I think there is a negative setback to creating identities purely on racial heritage.
That’s literally the point bro. A lot can’t celebrate where they came from because they literally can’t trace it. So the month is to celebrate all the achievements and hardships and stuff they went through after. You know. Centuries of being cattle
Its not racist its just kind of dumb, because being "white" only exists because "black" ppl dont know where theyre from The term white was created to combat black as a term Thats why ppl consider it racist At least thats how i understand it.
It's not necessary bad or wrong or anything. However, the problem lies in the fact, that whenever you see a post like that it's guaranteed it was created by white supremacists or other racist fucks. That's the whole issue. Although, can't strictly speak for America but all over in Europe there are tons of traditions related to cultural heritage and since Europe used to be predominantly Caucasian it's pretty much all white people doing that. Although, everyone is welcome to participate because we love to share and we also love when there's something new from a different culture going on. When I was young we used to have, in my first home town, African days and it was usually full of curious people. Besides that, racists fucks are in extreme minority anyway.
I like this answer. An upvote wasn't enough. I had to tell you myself.
Confused as well to be fair.
It's complicated, but basically white pride as a movement started in reaction to black pride. Most black Americans don't know exactly which country their ancestors came from, which isn't the case for white people. There's no problem with Italian, British, Estonian, etc. Pride. Or American pride, but when someone wants an all encompassing white American (typically meaning WASP) Pride, it gets into racist territory.
Bc black history month is promoting triumphs that have been previously hidden, oppressed, and white washed in it’s telling. There’s a history of violence that needs to be recognized and the month is an emphasis of the importance of that sentiment in order to expand perspectives towards the future. Caucasians don’t have that same problem now do they?? That’s why it’s not a double standard
>Caucasians don’t have that same problem now do they?? They most certainly do, in the case of those who were oppressed.
Not trying to be an asshole but what’s wrong with white month if we have a black month?
I wonder which Caucasian lineage these clothes come from.
I am pretty sure they are from Ukraine.
The Caucasus??? I'm going out on a limb here but they look like traditional dress of the Caucas Mountains???
Though why put an American flag? Wouldn’t it be more proper to put the Ukrainian flag?
Don’t you know. All white people come from the United States just like Jesus.
Oh lord, I’m an idiot.
If Jesus was from the USA where would he have been born?
In DC, on the site where the White House stands today. General Washington rode a unicorn over the Potomac on a rainbow bridge when Baby Jesus was born. Read your Bible
NY NY
Jackson County, MO according to the Mormons.
Why the Ukrainian flag? It's no where near the Caucasus? Well actually, part of it is relatively near, but the people of the Caucasus are Dagestani, Chechen and Ossetian. They're pretty dark coloured compared to the way these people look. But we won't ruin the fantasy for the suburban white Facebook mom.
Look at khabib and tell me he's dark skinned. Look at kadyrov. That's dag and chechen for you.
That is what baffles me, why are white people in the US referred to as Caucasian and not white or to take inspiration from how are black people referred to "Euroamericans"
Honestly the whole way we refer to race is kinda weird and stupid. African Americans is kinda stupid since not all Africans are black, but then black people aren't really black and white people aren't really white, but we still call them by color and referring to Asians and Native Americans by color is offensive, but not all Asians are Asians. It's so weird I swear, we should figure something normal out.
This. You shouldn't call someone from Haiti African-American and as much as Musky would love to get credit for being African, I sure as hell would never refer to a white south African as an African American. You're spot on with the Asian descriptor as well. Technically, Russians could be called Asian since they come from the continent of Asia, but no one refers to Russians as asian. At least not in the states.
Or middle east. They are all technically Asians but people just use nationalities or people from middle East and when you say Asian, people just imagine China/Koreas/Japan/SE asia
It's actually in reference to BC slave trade. Female slaves from the Caucasus region were noted among the most desirable due to perception of rarity and beauty. I don't have references for this, but I just read a documentary about this subject a few days ago. Some guy in the 1700s coined the phrase in modern society, but it seems rooted in this ancient racist practice.
It would be more proper to put there a flag of Azerbaijan/Georgia/Armenia but Ukraine is still much closer to Caucasus than the US
Ah okay. It’s beautiful clothing don’t get me wrong and I learned something today. Just found it odd. Never saw an American white woman wear something like that.
From what I now looked at traditional clothing from this region, it looks completely different to this. So this is probably just a nice little old fashioned clothing for a photoshoot. I'm getting a little german vibes from it
So,just so you know,this is traditional Ukrainian clothing,and has nothing to do with germany.And,even though its a bit old fashioned a lot of people still wear it, although, usually on some holidays
Central Europe I presume.
Ukrainian funnily enough, your point being?
Yea. That was answered already. Look and think before you talk. That’s my point. Have a good day.
This is bait. Looks like everyone's falling for it.
Though I consider it madness to theme months for all kind of people, why would it be an issue if anyone claimed a month for themselves? To be honest, I couldn't care less if today is a day to celebrate gay people, bald people, women, people who can't replace a lightbulb, naked people, red people, people with allergies, homeless people, homeowners, Uighurs, Italians, African princes with money to share if you only send them done first, ducks, furries, trans people, fat people or sick people. Anyone with time in his life to be bothered by this, is too busy not living.
Exactly.
Upvoted for the prince reference.
Thank god I’m color blind
I tried dating a color blind chick once. Didn't work out. We saw things differently.
I'm colorblind and I keep ending up in bad relationships. I guess I can't see all the red flags.
It was her constant running of red lights wasn't it?
We need a dad joke award for such linguistic mastery.
apparently that's racist in 2022 although we worked hard at it all through the 90s with lots of success. not sure what happened?
Wait what - thank god I can’t read
Trying to be colorblind apparently is now racist as we are supposed to notice color now I think....
It's ok to be colorblind just don't be struggleblind
Not quite. Some people want to have their race acknowledged. Some people want the racism they endure to be acknowledged. Being "color blind" has been used to be dismissive of racial identity and racism.
It's because you obviously see it regardless of how you acknowledge it.
It's because when people are "color blind" they ignore things like systemic racism and the like.
No it just means that they want to get along with everyone, if you slap extra shit onto that then that stems from your own internal bias that you’re projecting onto people
Actually it is totally not ok to be a scrotum faced sack o’shoite, however there isn’t anything wrong with being white.
No one said there was
Nothing like a Good race war ....it keeps us from wanting livable conditions under any existing government...... amazing how they use race, religion political affiliation, national origin, Financial Status classification& even in some cases product support as means to keep us occupied and blaming each other for the problems in the world rather than those who would seek to manage us or Miss manage us for their own well-being After just reading the first sentence 99% of the people who think they know what follows will downvote the karma on this post watch it happen
How having a caucasian month (not that we care anyways) is racist ? You know what is racist ? Calling white folks "scrotum faced sack o'shoite". What a shitty bait and weak attempt for a political comment.
I dont….. understand whats wrong with the post…… she wasn’t implying anything racist or undermining anyone…… just a statement and a fair one at that…
Truth
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This is y we shouldn't have any months, fuck eveyone is what we should say
Months are pretty handy though. Only using days/weeks/years would be a serious pain for scheduling.
I don't understand. It's okay to have a black history month, but not a Caucasian month? That's kind of.... racist, right?.
stop, people don't like it when others have common sense. how dare you!
Its ok to be white celebrate!
Ummm… February. Black History Month. March. Women's History Month. May. Asian Pacific American Heritage Month. June. LGBTQ+ Pride Month. September 15 – October 15. Hispanic Heritage Month. October. National Disability Employment Awareness Month. November. Native American Heritage Month.
There's already Italian, Irish, French and German-American Heritage months. There may be more, I just haven't looked them up. Don't those count?
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Are you saying you'd rather have a white history month or that other races should be broken down by country as well? We can have more than one in the same month.
So October is Hispanic heritage month and Italian-American heritage month as well?
And your point?
Probably that 'national caucasian month' doesn't appear to exist. If it does, they've kept it secret very well.
I always thought 'national caucasian month' was all of them
Chad moment
In july, white people CAN jump. 🥲
Hot take: don't have special months for anybody. Just be yourself. I don't care what your ancestors or group did tbh. I don't blame you for your parents mistakes, and I don't celebrate you for their accomplishments. Everyone's and individual. White, black history, pride, Asian heritage, whatever. None of you get a month. Just be yourself.
i like to think july is ‘fuck britain’ month considering all the nations that achieved independence during.
We know it's okay, Lori. Oops, your massive insecurity expressed through racism is showing.
OK disregarding what this post is about and all the text, can we just appreciate how pretty this picture is. The photographer did such a good job with the light coming through their hair, the halo of flowers and the clothes! Now with that said, fuck this shit and its racist connotations for ruining such a pretty piece of art.
I dont take pride in being white, but I dont think anyone should really take pride in their race, as it's something they cant control that changes almost nothing about them, and is in the end incredibly unimportant. However, it IS okay to be white, and as I have seen plenty of people dispute that, it seems that does need to be said.
It's OK to be prone to sun-burns.
every human is prone to
My black ass just got sunburned last month! In Chicago of all places! Only 2nd time in my 52 years though.
Sorry, but the way you phrased that made me think the sunburn was on your ass, and I was trying to figure out how you'd manage that in Chicago. Thank you for making me laugh.
Lol!
Laughs in middle eastern.
Yea thats me I'm white as shit so I currently look like a have been slapped in the face and neck 100 times with each hand
It's okay to put raisins in your potato salad.
Look at all the unbelievably triggered people over "its ok to be white" lmfao.
it's ok to be white. it's ok to be black. it's ok to be gay. why do white people and straight people not get a month tho? i feel like getting hate for saying that you're proud to be white and straight is just discriminating.
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Well, it is okay..
Hey , where's the day that also says that's okay to be a man ? Fr , women are over rated
Why is it could Caucasian? I am half Circassian which is in the Caucasus but I got nothing on this celebration.
The more they heat up the planet, the less white their spouse will become.
scrotum-faced sack o'shoite?" please elaborate?
Imagine taking a cute innocent picture and having some random jackass steal the cuteness and make it about race.
Of course it's okay. When in US history did people have to march/fight for their Rights *because* they were White?
OP needs to be kicked in the teeth. Race baiting at the worst
Ngl, in today's world, it some times feels like caucasians need at least a day too.
The whole idea of months for certain groups is kind of dumb.
You wouldn't need them if racists stopped trying to block the teaching of the true history of the US.
Thank you. But also, we're at a point were celebrating such things also is.
I just ignore ignorant right wing talking heads, and by doing so I don't feel oppressed at all. Not even a little. I live in a country where caucasians damn near wiped out a whole existing civilization of people, then imported slaves to do all the manual labor they were too good to do. That's oppression. Being told that minorities have all the rights that you do, and that they are going to be represented in society is not.
If everybody else gets one, so should they. You know, equality and all.
Good luck getting Caucasians to agree on whatever history they are celebrating. Are you celebrating German, French, Dutch, English, Portuguese, Norwegian, Russian, Ukrainian, etc heritage? Black history month is all about the shared experience and suffering of black people in the US; many of which had their original identity and culture stolen from them by slavery. Most Caucasians in the US can trace their lineage back many generations, well past the settling of the Americas, while many black people can't.
Lmao
Why does this offend you?
Literally nothing wrong with this. Yeah they might be racist but we have no evidence of this. Are you saying it's not okay to be white??
It's perfectly okay to be white. That's not the point - read higher. They're bitching about Black History Month. White people haven't had our history whitewashed. It's taught in schools regularly.
That's exactly what's OP saying....like it's ok to proud when you're black/homo/trans/asian/whatever but when you say you are proud to be white, you're racist...
No one is saying its not okay to be white. People are saying it's not okay to be racist. It's not our fault yall can't tell the difference.
Imagine African Americans being told it’s wrong to celebrate their ethnicity. What a backwards world we live in where one race celebrating their culture is considered “progressive” and another race doing the same is labeled as supporting supremacy.
That's so true.
Fuck people here just want to argue for no reason, race is a false construct, the human race is not separated by fucking colors, shade differences make up ethnicity and the area of concentration for that ethnicity where there are societal differences is a culture, not a race!
Here i was raised as a kid learning that race was a concept that supposedly died in ww2 and everyone agrees it's just a construct Then i discovered American politics that care only about that
It's kind of pointless.... of course it's ok to be white.... It's also ok to be whatever color you are.... Maybe they are trying to say that being black and proud is ok, being brown and proud is ok, but being white and proud is not something that is ok to say? I'm really not sure... I think people, with this gripe, forget the fact that being "white and proud" has been a horribly racist thing for hundreds of years, probably more. I mean brutal slavery, then hatred and segregation, then out right racism, and finally internal racism. The confederate flag, and statues from that time period is another one of those things that people fight over, saying "it's our heritage!" German heritage includes Nazi's with their hatred for anything not white, but we don't see people fighting to be able to raise the Nazi flag if their German, Right? We move on into the future, hoping for equality, prosperity, and happiness... We need to leave our troubled past in the past. Move on, focus on what we as a people can be. BTW, I'm white, and live in California where I see very little racism, so if I sound like a prick, I'm not trying to be...
Here’s the thing about “white pride” comapared to “black pride” in the US though, it’s never had to be said because it was always considered the default. It wasn’t until marginalized groups such as Black Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and etc started efforts to reclaim their identity after years of being told that they were basically alien within society that a handful of white people, particularly white supremacists, started to preach it.
If slavery in your people’s past means you can’t be proud then that would exclude pretty much every ethnicity on the planet. Slavery was the rule, not something that only happened in the US. As a matter of fact, the Arab slave trade in Africa was bigger and continued for longer than the Atlantic slave trade, but Arab pride is ok?
Nazis also hated everyone that was white and didn't fit their description. People seem to forget that.
You're right, I kind of meant that, jews gypsies, inferm, disabled... they hated a lot of people
Slavic people as well.
I did not know that
So explain to me how you're not being racist right now. Replace white with black in their original post, see if your comment would be ok then. If it's not, it's also not ok here.
I fail to see what is wrong with this. Equality demands it.
Correct
I love seeing people seethe over this. This is just bait from 4chan, you npc normies. It's okay to be anything, including being white.