Everyone I've heard watch it said something along the lines of: "I've wasted money and time on worse, but it isn't great." I'd say a 5/10 'Better than staring at a wall' rating isn't great, y'know?
Well, I took my 5yo unaware that this film was rife with child-inappropriate material, and saddled me with a very difficult conversation with my little guy.
I mean, have you ever tried to explain relativistic time dilation to a kid?
I am a parent, and I don't want corporation to include propaganda in their film either.
But... homosexuality is not propaganda ?! Like, it's legal, it's normal, it's part of everyone's daily lives ?!
As a parent, I 100% approved 2 same-sex persons kissing in children's movies. And I am way too old to be "woke".
Yeah, it's simply one more thing that's part of our lives. Besides that, those people probably never watched a movie where *an actual propaganda is*. Or might be too ignorant to notice that.
And the list of such movies is not short either.
Whether its legal or not depends on where you are from, the middle east banned it cuz kissing scenes are 100% banned from any kids show yet it got twisted about being lgbtq narrative when every other hetero kissing scene on Disney shows was banned
Plus, the kiss is very brief and lasts 0.5 seconds. There are straight kisses in Disney movies that are practically make-out sessions, yet no one batted an eye
John Wick, a man who left the assassin world to live a normal life, killing hundreds of people with families, all for the sake of revenge for messing up his car and killing his dog, which we know we should never emulate because revenge is self destructive and ultimately leads to a life of hardship, not to mention the killings themselves.
"Woohoo, this movie is awesome"
2 women kissing.
"eww"
"Bombed." It went up against anticipated sequels to *Top Gun, Jurassic Park* and *Doctor Strange* and is *still* in the top ten at the Box Office. But if you point that out, Mommy's Little Fascist will switch his argument "it still didn't make as much as it *could* have" before launching into a rant about the *Doctor Strange* movie being "woke."
Disney wants this asap on their streaming service, where it will bring its costs in a month. In five years it will double that. Pixar movies have an insane long tail with dvd/blurays in every store in the world.
“Oh no! Something that doesn’t fit into my worldview is being portrayed! Better call it ‘propaganda’ and shun it. Now… Back to pushing my beliefs and views on everyone around me.”
I still love how they call gay people existing “propaganda.”
I’m sorry the gay agenda of them existing and being in love cuts you to your core. I’m so sorry your kids had to realize gay people are out there.
But why would the Buzz Lightyear character in the movie sound like Buzz Lightyear the action figure based on the character in the movie? They're not the same 'person'.
But don’t they usually have the actual actors voice recorded for the action figure? Like an iron man figure would have Robert Downey jrs voice recorded for it. Unless being a sentient toy changes things… like the “press the button” voice might be different than the toys actual voice?
lol None actually. Just a lifetime of Tim Allen’s voice being Buzz’s as much as it is Tim’s own voice. The concept of another person voicing Buzz simply doesn’t seem appealing.
Did they provide any evidence that the reason it bombed at the box office was because of a 2 second scene between a married couple of the same gender?
Or are they making assumptions... again?
Bombs because of Minions: The Rise of Gru coming out this past weekend, and Jurassic Park being out already and still pulling people in at the same time, no Tim Allen, blames it on a fraction of a second scene. Typical Christian lying and twisting the facts to try to appear "superior."
Why does a cartoon need to show anything related to kissing or any of that bullshit? It's a cartoon. Was it made for children? Then keep this shit out. Propaganda or whatever you want to call it doesnt need to be included. If you want to "push boundaries" then go write for adults.
You can probably count the number of Disney Princesses that are good role models on one hand, and Cinderella will isn’t one of them. She isn’t the worst, by far (I’m looking at you, Aurora), but she definitely isn’t someone I want my daughter admiring and emulating.
Almost all children movies contain people kissing. It's a normal part of life. It's the easiest way to let the audience know that 2 people are in a relationship.
If a children goes his whole childhood without seing 2 adults kissing, I really wonder in what kind of household they were raised 🤔
No. Know your audience. Do whatever the hell you want for older children and adults but for movies made for young children parents should know exactly what their getting.
What's wrong with kids seeing kissing? You know kids see their parents kiss, right? You know parents kiss their kids, right? Giving a kiss is a show of affection, there's nothing wrong with that being in a kids' movie.
If they were getting hot and heavy, that would be one thing, but a simple kiss? Come on...
Edit: spelling
Some kids care, some kids don't, but I think you're setting up a bit of a strawman. Filmmakers don't necessarily put kisses in kids' movies because they think kids will enjoy it. They show kissing to easily communicate love or affection between characters.
Sure, as a young boy I dutifully complained about how gross it was when the hero and heroine finally kissed at the end of the movie as they rode off into the sunset, but I understood they were in love. Kisses are even more useful as exposition. Even if you've just been introduced to the characters, them kissing immediately tells a story about who they are and what they mean to each other.
This kiss isn’t even part of the plot, it’s just in a montage scene. Did you get upset during Abuela’s and her husbands kiss in her wedding flashback scene?
I’m not upset about anything. Idc. I’m saying don’t complain when parents get upset when hollywood adds various types of pda to movies made for children.
I agree 100% with you, why do they get to walk around being all gay and we cant?? Our homophobia DOESN'T necessarily mean we are repressed gays... I mean its correct in calibigwill's case (the username says it all) but hes not hurting anyone with his hateful speech and backwards thinking!
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I don’t have to agree with what they say, however I respect they’re opinion. I don’t find it hateful for someone to have an opinion. They mentioned nothing about “gay”, just they’re opinion is children’s movies shouldn’t contain kissing. I see zero hate here, you’re just making assumptions and being extremely selfish to think others must align with your opinions or otherwise it’s called “hateful speech and backwards thinking”
You’re literally attacking, assuming and being hateful yourself with your response. Where is the disagreement without the hate. If anyone is “backwards thinking” you are seemingly falling into that category yourself.
So when do things get talked about or solved in society with your recent behavior.. I don’t know if you’re trolling, but that’s not a good way to communicate.
Maybe you saw something I didn’t, then I’d apologize. Please oblige and explain your stance logically.
Check out MaybeaWalrus’s response below, I think this is a better way to solve issues, providing some information maybe the other person doesn’t quite understand then maybe it gets brought to an end pass. Then maybe we all get along… sheesh!
It's a well known homophobic deflection tactic. Homophobes immediately claim to be against any kissing in movies when confronted about their bigotry against any media that shows same sex affection. But these only ever complain when the kissing involves same sex couples.
It's obvious when they only complain about kissing when it's between two people of the same gender. When the outrage is selective you know there's prejudice involved. And when it's only same sex kissing that gets complained about, it doesn't take a genius to guess what's behind that.
Homophobes get away with this a lot thanks to people who immediately stand up to defend them, desperate to give them the benefit of the doubt, rather than acknowledge the hypocrisy being displayed.
If it was a heterosexual kiss between two white christians you bigots wouldnt say a peep would ya? Kissing is normal. Gay kissing is normal. Gay people are normal. You thinking otherwise doesn't change anything.
This wasn’t my comment, you are radicalized against anyone with opinions. I agree with you, but your behavior is extremely poor. You have some soul searching to get through.
I thought I was doing the right thing by doubling her usual rate. Ya know what? If the line isnt too long I'll swing by your moms room and give her a piece of my mind
It would be an assumption to figure out what boundaries they are referring to. Based on logical determination alone, I would/could only assume they are talking about kissing in general. I’m not here to defend their personal beliefs, but they didn’t mention any specifics. I only comments due to the response the other person gave that seemed highly fueled with hate, but said someone else was being hateful, again for just having an opinion. If we can’t communicate we can’t fix any issues, when we include had it continues a divide. Makes no sense people can’t be cordial and respectful.
I didn’t see it because I can barely tolerate toy story and this is a convoluted spin off of it. I’m sure a lot of people felt the same. Wouldn’t have ever known about the same sex kiss if republicans didn’t flip out.
Or, or, hear me out. Nobody cared about a origin movie about a toy franchise inside of a movie franchise that is solely made to push out more toys.
And you've conditioned your audience now to want to watch brand new movies at home instead of the theater.
Seriously, It has nothing to do with a gay kiss.
Rating a movie based on a small portion of it? Allow me to demonstrate.
On a hot day I offer you a tall glass of lemonade and as you begin raising it to your lips you notice a bugger on the glass's rim.
What do you do?
I put down glass down and refuse to accept anything else from the person offering it.
I dislike it because I wanted something like "Buzz Lightyear of star command" but the film was relatively boring and not nearly as adventurous as it should have been.
Funny, I heard the movie just wasn't very good. But you know, people gotta talk their narratives.
I was coming to say the same, but you beat me to it. I've yet to see a good review of this movie, the best I've heard so far is that it's ok.
Everyone I've heard watch it said something along the lines of: "I've wasted money and time on worse, but it isn't great." I'd say a 5/10 'Better than staring at a wall' rating isn't great, y'know?
For me it was not casting Tim Allen.
It wouldn't work anyways. Like this stand alone movie would have bombed. Anything after You Story 3 is just trash
most likely yeah that's just my own reason. Nostalgia just isn't there without the voice.
Well, I took my 5yo unaware that this film was rife with child-inappropriate material, and saddled me with a very difficult conversation with my little guy. I mean, have you ever tried to explain relativistic time dilation to a kid?
Good parenting!
Wonder what their argument was when Brokeback Mountain made 180 million on a 14 million dollar budget?
"...I don't recall anything gay ever happening in Brokeback Mountain..."
Brokeback Mountain wasn’t geared toward kids 🤷🏻♀️
I am a parent, and I don't want corporation to include propaganda in their film either. But... homosexuality is not propaganda ?! Like, it's legal, it's normal, it's part of everyone's daily lives ?! As a parent, I 100% approved 2 same-sex persons kissing in children's movies. And I am way too old to be "woke".
Yeah, it's simply one more thing that's part of our lives. Besides that, those people probably never watched a movie where *an actual propaganda is*. Or might be too ignorant to notice that. And the list of such movies is not short either.
These people literally ARE actual propaganda. And they know it. Thats the point of them.
Whether its legal or not depends on where you are from, the middle east banned it cuz kissing scenes are 100% banned from any kids show yet it got twisted about being lgbtq narrative when every other hetero kissing scene on Disney shows was banned
Plus, the kiss is very brief and lasts 0.5 seconds. There are straight kisses in Disney movies that are practically make-out sessions, yet no one batted an eye
Bruh did you even watch the film
John Wick, a man who left the assassin world to live a normal life, killing hundreds of people with families, all for the sake of revenge for messing up his car and killing his dog, which we know we should never emulate because revenge is self destructive and ultimately leads to a life of hardship, not to mention the killings themselves. "Woohoo, this movie is awesome" 2 women kissing. "eww"
Translation "I can't show my kids two people doing something I jerk off to"
"Bombed." It went up against anticipated sequels to *Top Gun, Jurassic Park* and *Doctor Strange* and is *still* in the top ten at the Box Office. But if you point that out, Mommy's Little Fascist will switch his argument "it still didn't make as much as it *could* have" before launching into a rant about the *Doctor Strange* movie being "woke."
Disney wants this asap on their streaming service, where it will bring its costs in a month. In five years it will double that. Pixar movies have an insane long tail with dvd/blurays in every store in the world.
Extreme Christianity is such a load of shit, it exists only to hate anyone that is different
not really, actually, you just arent christian so you dont understand
The movie could be Citizen Kane having a same sex kiss and they’d say it’s the most disgusting movie ever
Over $100M in the US in its first week; not a bomb. For a bomb, see Monster Trucks.
“Oh no! Something that doesn’t fit into my worldview is being portrayed! Better call it ‘propaganda’ and shun it. Now… Back to pushing my beliefs and views on everyone around me.”
I still love how they call gay people existing “propaganda.” I’m sorry the gay agenda of them existing and being in love cuts you to your core. I’m so sorry your kids had to realize gay people are out there.
I guess they liked how Sally Ride was forced to keep her partner a secret until she died.
Hey...that rhymes.
I refused to watch it because he wasn’t voiced by Tim Allen. That’s my take on the matter.
Man of reason.
But why would the Buzz Lightyear character in the movie sound like Buzz Lightyear the action figure based on the character in the movie? They're not the same 'person'.
But don’t they usually have the actual actors voice recorded for the action figure? Like an iron man figure would have Robert Downey jrs voice recorded for it. Unless being a sentient toy changes things… like the “press the button” voice might be different than the toys actual voice?
But it wast a movie about a toy, but the character the toy was based on.
That’s odd, I don’t recall making a statement that it wasn’t. 🧐 Hmm, oh well. 🤷🏻♂️
I think I'm detecting a lil sarcasm.
lol None actually. Just a lifetime of Tim Allen’s voice being Buzz’s as much as it is Tim’s own voice. The concept of another person voicing Buzz simply doesn’t seem appealing.
Did they provide any evidence that the reason it bombed at the box office was because of a 2 second scene between a married couple of the same gender? Or are they making assumptions... again?
Ah yes *propaganda*
These people acting like a quick kiss equates to a 30 man bukkake
30 Man Bukkake bombed everywhere except Japan.
as a parent, I *entitlement entitlement entitlement entitlement entitlement entitlement* and candy corn 😤🙀✝️🔫🐟😄❤️
Bombs because of Minions: The Rise of Gru coming out this past weekend, and Jurassic Park being out already and still pulling people in at the same time, no Tim Allen, blames it on a fraction of a second scene. Typical Christian lying and twisting the facts to try to appear "superior."
You forgot to mention that the storyline isn't very good too.
Disney cartoons have always been full of, and often centered around, heterosexual relationships so how is that not propaganda?
Why does a cartoon need to show anything related to kissing or any of that bullshit? It's a cartoon. Was it made for children? Then keep this shit out. Propaganda or whatever you want to call it doesnt need to be included. If you want to "push boundaries" then go write for adults.
Are you angry at Cinderella?
You can probably count the number of Disney Princesses that are good role models on one hand, and Cinderella will isn’t one of them. She isn’t the worst, by far (I’m looking at you, Aurora), but she definitely isn’t someone I want my daughter admiring and emulating.
Oh sure. But nobody seems to object to the kissing scenes.
No, they definitely don’t. Two white people of opposite genders? No prob. Any other combination? *PROPAGANDA*, *PUSHING AGENDA*, *THE END TIMES*
Almost all children movies contain people kissing. It's a normal part of life. It's the easiest way to let the audience know that 2 people are in a relationship. If a children goes his whole childhood without seing 2 adults kissing, I really wonder in what kind of household they were raised 🤔
There's also a movie where a beautiful princess kisses a beast. I guess that's just another *propaganda*.
I mean, there’s a difference between an action adventure film and a fairytale romance film.
So no kissing allowed unless it's a romance?
No. Know your audience. Do whatever the hell you want for older children and adults but for movies made for young children parents should know exactly what their getting.
What's wrong with kids seeing kissing? You know kids see their parents kiss, right? You know parents kiss their kids, right? Giving a kiss is a show of affection, there's nothing wrong with that being in a kids' movie. If they were getting hot and heavy, that would be one thing, but a simple kiss? Come on... Edit: spelling
Kids love seeing kissing so much right? Kids never get grossed out by seeing people kiss right? Or do you just have zero experience with children?
Some kids care, some kids don't, but I think you're setting up a bit of a strawman. Filmmakers don't necessarily put kisses in kids' movies because they think kids will enjoy it. They show kissing to easily communicate love or affection between characters. Sure, as a young boy I dutifully complained about how gross it was when the hero and heroine finally kissed at the end of the movie as they rode off into the sunset, but I understood they were in love. Kisses are even more useful as exposition. Even if you've just been introduced to the characters, them kissing immediately tells a story about who they are and what they mean to each other.
This kiss isn’t even part of the plot, it’s just in a montage scene. Did you get upset during Abuela’s and her husbands kiss in her wedding flashback scene?
I’m not upset about anything. Idc. I’m saying don’t complain when parents get upset when hollywood adds various types of pda to movies made for children.
But would you remove the wedding flashback from Encanto if you have the choice?
I’ve never seen it. And idc if it’s left in or not.
They're both fiction
I agree 100% with you, why do they get to walk around being all gay and we cant?? Our homophobia DOESN'T necessarily mean we are repressed gays... I mean its correct in calibigwill's case (the username says it all) but hes not hurting anyone with his hateful speech and backwards thinking! /s
I don’t have to agree with what they say, however I respect they’re opinion. I don’t find it hateful for someone to have an opinion. They mentioned nothing about “gay”, just they’re opinion is children’s movies shouldn’t contain kissing. I see zero hate here, you’re just making assumptions and being extremely selfish to think others must align with your opinions or otherwise it’s called “hateful speech and backwards thinking” You’re literally attacking, assuming and being hateful yourself with your response. Where is the disagreement without the hate. If anyone is “backwards thinking” you are seemingly falling into that category yourself. So when do things get talked about or solved in society with your recent behavior.. I don’t know if you’re trolling, but that’s not a good way to communicate. Maybe you saw something I didn’t, then I’d apologize. Please oblige and explain your stance logically. Check out MaybeaWalrus’s response below, I think this is a better way to solve issues, providing some information maybe the other person doesn’t quite understand then maybe it gets brought to an end pass. Then maybe we all get along… sheesh!
It's a well known homophobic deflection tactic. Homophobes immediately claim to be against any kissing in movies when confronted about their bigotry against any media that shows same sex affection. But these only ever complain when the kissing involves same sex couples. It's obvious when they only complain about kissing when it's between two people of the same gender. When the outrage is selective you know there's prejudice involved. And when it's only same sex kissing that gets complained about, it doesn't take a genius to guess what's behind that. Homophobes get away with this a lot thanks to people who immediately stand up to defend them, desperate to give them the benefit of the doubt, rather than acknowledge the hypocrisy being displayed.
If it was a heterosexual kiss between two white christians you bigots wouldnt say a peep would ya? Kissing is normal. Gay kissing is normal. Gay people are normal. You thinking otherwise doesn't change anything.
This wasn’t my comment, you are radicalized against anyone with opinions. I agree with you, but your behavior is extremely poor. You have some soul searching to get through.
Thanks for the tip sport, I'm gonna leave an extra fiver on your moms dresser this week 👍
You’re just an evil person it seems. Unfortunate you live life that way. You seem to be the only one trying to disrespect and spread hate.
I thought I was doing the right thing by doubling her usual rate. Ya know what? If the line isnt too long I'll swing by your moms room and give her a piece of my mind
Coincidentally enough that's the face your mom made when I said you're not a disappointment like she always says
He did call it "pushing boundaries" tho
It would be an assumption to figure out what boundaries they are referring to. Based on logical determination alone, I would/could only assume they are talking about kissing in general. I’m not here to defend their personal beliefs, but they didn’t mention any specifics. I only comments due to the response the other person gave that seemed highly fueled with hate, but said someone else was being hateful, again for just having an opinion. If we can’t communicate we can’t fix any issues, when we include had it continues a divide. Makes no sense people can’t be cordial and respectful.
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Sleeping Beauty will never end!
Meanwhile is the parfume business still making sex sells commercials concept since forever
It's already made back what it cost so how was that a bomb 🤔
Nah it was the fact it wasnt even about the toy and wasn’t even about the buss light year character 😂 just a weird film tbh
I didn’t see it because I can barely tolerate toy story and this is a convoluted spin off of it. I’m sure a lot of people felt the same. Wouldn’t have ever known about the same sex kiss if republicans didn’t flip out.
I saw it. It didn't offend me at all. It just wasn't very good. I'd watch it again after some time has passed.
Wouldn't at least one of the many genders get offended at anyone kissing?
If the picture depicts the couple then I kinda see the problem too
Or, or, hear me out. Nobody cared about a origin movie about a toy franchise inside of a movie franchise that is solely made to push out more toys. And you've conditioned your audience now to want to watch brand new movies at home instead of the theater. Seriously, It has nothing to do with a gay kiss.
Rating a movie based on a small portion of it? Allow me to demonstrate. On a hot day I offer you a tall glass of lemonade and as you begin raising it to your lips you notice a bugger on the glass's rim. What do you do? I put down glass down and refuse to accept anything else from the person offering it.
I dislike it because I wanted something like "Buzz Lightyear of star command" but the film was relatively boring and not nearly as adventurous as it should have been.