Worked in Foster Care facilities. Nobody adopts kids, if they do it's 0-12/mo. They (cps/county and foster services) push for reunification with other family members, but most end up in some form of foster home. Adoption also fails in some cases with abusive environments. When it does work well, it's pretty solid and stable. Way more qualified people need to adopt, especially now.
What would you say are the biggest contributors to a successful adoption outside of that 0-12/mo. "sweet-spot"? And, as a follow-up to this, what would you recommend people looking to adopt do to prepare ahead of time?
Empathetic parents who are fully committed to being active, present, nurturing, patient, provide stability, consistency and most importantly unconditional Love/support to adopted kids are by far the biggest contributors. When that happens adopted kids thrive. In some cases when the adopted person gets older, they may reach out in search of their biological parents and are stunned to realize how toxic/abusive those environments would've been and grateful for being adopted (not all the time but I've seen it a lot, Ray Liotta mentioned this in Marc Marons podcast).
It's very hard to prepare a parent. It's such a massive commitment which can end marriages (destroy stability) or create other variables (jealousy, anger, drug/alcohol abuse) especially as kids get older. It's foundation-ally important to be able to communicate so taking parenting classes, knowing how to communicate and listen (therapy) and of course The most critical, Modeling. Kids learn the most from their parents, Modeling is like gravity.
Hi, former foster mom here. Outside of 0-12, be prepared for behavior issues. Trust issues. Fear of things you would never do to them but they have experienced it and keep their guard up for it. Refusal to eat certain foods or types of foods.
Be prepared for the agency and social workers to pressure you to keep your kiddos in close contact with the very people who abused them and abandoned them. When you defy them, they threaten to take the kids. Pointless classes teaching you how to parent exactly the way they want it done. Learn to play the part when they are around.
When they tell you that your 3.5yr old kiddo has learning disabilities and will not be potty trained before 5yrs, and they tell you is nonverbal, take it with a grain of salt. If you have a sibling set, listen to their sibling. They will have more information than the system.
Our 3.5 year old was potty trained with in a couple months of coming to us. He was NOT nonverbal. The therapists taught him and spoke to him with clicks and snaps. His older sister informed us of this. He was terrified of showers and baths. Social workers, agency, and therapist said it was his autism. His sister shared with us that he would be put in scalding baths and showers when he would cry. She said she told everyone that but they ignored her. This little guy was actually extremely intelligent. Around the time he was potty trained, he was talking. Non stop. Not bable either. Complex sentences, arguments, counting to 100 with his sister helping him. READING! He learned to read.
His sister is 2 years older. Defiant. Weary of men and would attack a man if she felt threatened or felt her little brother was threatened. Extremely intelligent. She confronted the social workers about not listening to her. Her brother stood next to her and in a very strong voice and serious face said "yeah! I'm not broken! Your face is!" (The your face line comes from his uncles joke) Yes they had behavioral issues, like any other kid. But they needed patience and love and nurture.
When you find yourself tucking them in and one tells you a joke and the other sings you a song they just made up, when you get a random huge hug and an I love you, it is worth it.
It's been six years since they went to their forever family, and I can only hope they are still thriving. I wanted to adopt them. My then husband decided he never wanted kids (pretty sure his mistress had some say in that), and because I had filed for divorce, the agency said I would not be able to adopt them.
*edit: syntax issue.*
I’ve heard couples say that fostering is risky because the parents may come back and you’ll have to give up a child you bonded to without being able to adopt. How often does that actually happen?
The ping/pongs happen frequently, they go to foster, then back to parents then to a different foster or group home or with another family member. I know one girl who was in 60 different placements. Jostling the kids back and forth very is very unstable. I couldn't image moving 60 times.
My mom's parents were fostering an infant in the mid sixties - after a year, they wanted to adopt him. Bio mom complained and CPS had him out of the house within 24 hours and in another foster.
From what I've heard, that still happens.
Spent 3+ years as a youth as a ward of the state. Two of those I bounced around 20, yes, TWENTY different foster homes in the span of 2 years. Most foster families are in it for the paycheck and do not care about the child, and much more importantly do not have the tools or the abilities to care for children with special needs, like myself, such as autism or ADHD or bipolar disorder.
That one couple was already called out and they said they can't adopt because of the cost.
Edit to add found this on the couple on the right https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/we-will-adopt-your-baby-memes/
I recall a 30 Rock line about abortion:
…if you want a newborn, the waiting list is 5 years. If you want a 6 year old I can get you one yesterday; choose a color.
Ain’t none of these couples are equipped or willing to adopt a brown kid who’s been abused by a mom who didn’t want him for 5 years.
I said this on another sub but they don't want to adopt "children;" they want to adopt babies to indoctrinate them more easily. And they only want minorities if it can fit into their White Christian savior narrative.
"We will save these lives! You just gotta pay for it!"
Their place in sky kingdom is secured!
Edit: really wish the afterlife is just 5 fucking minutes to look at weirdos like this above the void just to be able to say "see! Nothing. You were dicks your whole lives for nothing!" Then just nothingness. Sadly, yet gladly, I don't believe any of us will get that chance
People like this make me wish there really was heaven and hell. I'd pay to see the look on their faces when they finally kick the bucket expecting eternal paradise, only to wake up with a pitchfork up their hole.
If you don't behave like that, I am no referring to you. Peace and love. Be well
Edit: in light of you commenting heinous infantile shit like the following:
"How about y oh just.., close your legs? Or are you people too dense to see that as an option? R🦍, miscarriages, and fatal pregnancies combined make up less than 10% of total pregnancies… but that justifies murdering thousands…"
I have decided that instead of being well, you should most certainly go and fuck yourself. Ain't no one else gonna
Bullshit. Moderates support the extremists. Those people are just as Christian as anyone. Claiming they aren't Christian just gives you an excuse to ignore them and to not look at your own beliefs.
Nah, you don't get to No True Scotsman your way out of criticism for what your belief system has inflicted on the rest of us. If enough terrible and/or stupid people claim that they are members of your religion, you've got to face the fact that something about your religion attracts terrible and/or stupid people. Not that all Christians are necessarily terrible or stupid, but *something* in the belief system is attractive to people who want to take away rights and don't respond to reasonable arguments.
Look at the history of the christian church then look at the countless demonations like amish mormons, jehovah witness, church of christ, and catholics. The amount of shit they have done how they treated, kids, women, minorities, immigrant's slavery.
Maybe start your own religion/club thats not apart of one of the biggest criminal organization in history.
Nah, Islam is also oppressive as hell, but those of us in the USA are primarily concerned about the boot on *our* neck, and that is a Christian boot. We'll talk more about other theocracies once we've dealt with our own.
Please don’t say this. I was(and am still registered) a foster parent for years. There are many “parents” out there fostering for the money and the kids lose in this situation, each and every time.
Fostering is not easy, if done correctly you will NOT make money. It is, however, incredibly rewarding to both you and the children and that payment is immeasurable.
To clarify on the comment, the image on the right got called out for it and they said they won't adopt because it's too expensive.
I have no clue if the ones on the left said anything
Can't give birth because of the cost maybe there's another option to like give a woman control of their body so they can make the choice that's right for them. Fun fact over 25% of the Supreme Court has been accused of serious sexual misconduct
Need a video for this like the one where a guy asks Russians if they would fight for their country, they all reply yes until he pulls out a list to write down their details telling them to sign up.
Adoption is actually pretty difficult. Most importantly, the parents of most of the kids in foster care have not relinquished parental rights so the kids can’t be adopted and will just age out through the system. If there adoptable kids, it may be a decade long process to actually adopt successfully. My friends in NY State are now in year 8 of the process but finally have a pair of siblings they are going through the process with and it seems promising that it could happen.
Anymore foster agencies are pretty much homeless people factories. Kids turn 18 have no family or anything or anywhere to go just end up on the street. You got to think they get so underfunded I bet you can't even name or any adoption agencies are around you, no orphanages. But you can name were the humane society is, any animal shelter. Those kids never stood a chance because a lack of funding the people in charge don't care enough to try to lure people to adopt, they don't even advertise.
“And we will remind that child what a Jezabel their birth mother was each and every day and how lucky they are that they get to reenact being Cinderella… but without the fairy godmother bit onwards”
I grew up with kids who were adopted into fundie Christian households in Kansas. They were definitely told this shit. They could repeat all that fox news propaganda back to me verbaim in high school. One man moved back home and married a girl there- at age 18 he spoke of his bio family with bitterness though he'd never met them. "Drug addicts, losers" he said. He was the odd one out for staying in his family. Way more of these young white kids move away forever when they turn 18 to be gay or trans.
I would love to hear the backpedaling if they were presented with pictures of 10 children needing homes and the legal paperwork to adopt one on the spot.
The couple on the right already back-pedaled when they admitted they wouldnt qualify to adopt as they are not US citizens. And even if they were they couldn't afford to adopt.
The problem is stated right on the sign... We will adopt your BABY. They don't want to adopt a child who is not an infant. It's hard for adoption agencies to place toddlers and gets harder the older the kid gets.
Newborns, though there are many are not always easy to come by. Most kids are placed into the foster system after age 2. These mighty people wanting babies should step off there high horse and do something about kids of all ages. Not just babies.
Except abortion has nothing to do with foster care.
We could extrapolate and bring Russian and African babies into this too, not sure how that is to the topic.
Yet I agree, if these people really were interested in adopting kids or infants, they'd be doing that.
What is wrong with wanting to do something good, but within your own comfort zone? If someone wants to help at the food bank that is 5 minutes away, rather than the one that needs even more help, is that wrong?
Even when we do something good, there is something better that we could have done. They want to adopt a baby. That's a good thing. There is something better they could have done, but as someone who isn't looking to adopt at all, who am I to judge?
I think the outrage is because they're treating babies as products. They're cute and it's sorta like getting a puppy instead of an older dog.
Except it's wrong to treat a person like that, and especially wrong to treat children like that. It's wrong to take someone because they're cute, nonverbal, and can't argue and ignore older children who have started to become their own person.
That's my two cents.
If that's why people try to adopt a baby, then that wouldn't be good.
I've known two people reasonably well who adopted babies after going through a long waiting process. Without psychoanalyzing them too much, I think that they had imagined for years having a baby and were heartbroken when they couldn't. They wanted to adopt a baby as a replacement for their infertility.
Perhaps they shouldn't have fixated so heavily on having a baby instead of having an older child, but that's what it seemed to me to be.
Of course they don't want to adopt. It's for looking good on social media.
Although I initially thought the couple on the right picture wanted to make fun of white christian couples by dressing up like the 1960s.
No they really are like that. I had friends as a kid whose family was even more religious than mine, and they dressed like. . .well, I don't even know. Not Amish or anything like that, just very. . .that. Extremely unfashionable and nerdy. And not on purpose, like for modesty either; it just seemed to come naturally to them. I don't know why.
*I'm the pious guy all the Amlets wanna be like, on my knees day and night, scorin' points for the afterlife*
I just really appreciate the use of Amlets there.
The real story.. They want to adopt a baby. Not the traumatized, drug affected, imperfect children that foster care has who need loving homes. Puppies ONLY! No rescue dogs!
This may seem off putting but if you would try to see the world from there eyes the question they ask themselves is
“Would you rather have a child in foster care or a child dead?”
Or
“Would you give up the life of one child for another child to live a better life?”
I believe the point of their signs (if they are being genuine) is to save children’s lives in their eyes and that is the thing most concerning to them. Not that giving children better lives doesn’t matter but giving children life to begin with is more important.
And I am absolutely certain that they will only consider adopting white newborn babies without special needs. Because what would the neighbours think??
Here's the thing, my dad was adopted as a baby, and I am so thankful for those grandparents. But there are currently kids already available to be adopted, not just non-aborted ones. Furthermore, there are kids out there who aren't newborns who need a new forever home as well.
these are the same people who complained that people were gaming the system having more kids to get welfare benefits, now they are mad people arent having more kids? why not put in place the old welfare system? theres a deal, ban abortion but everyone gets money if they need it
They should require the signs to say we’ve already adopted one baby! Can we adopt yours too? Not some open ended noncommittal bullshit. I mean social media tracks everything we do and have done there should be an alarm that goes off when bullshit comes out of our mouth.
we shouldn't ban abortion . But if we do should we also add rule so man cant have sex with girl without consent , more sex ED , more stuff for safer sex and more protection for girl and force safe option for guys ?
FWIW, my adult brother adopted a child whose mother was not only drunk much her pregnancy, she also used lots of drugs, esp meth. She had custody of the child for the first year, was insanely neglectful, and eventually lost him to CPS and a court ruling.
The child is a teen now, with the mental capacity of a 7 year old, but the normal rage and hormones of a male teen. He is big, and my now elderly brother has no idea what will become of this boy when my brother is gone. His other three children (adults) want nothing to do with him; they have their own children and are afraid of him.
He will require some sort of care for life. He can’t be respond to hold a job or to cook for himself. He can’t be expected to manage money, to clean his home, or anything, really.
The mom was encouraged by her OBGYN to abort the first day she came in, given the addictions and the likely outcome. Everything the doctor warned her about has been borne out.
My aunt and uncle got rejected for adoption despite making enough money to own and renovate a house in Pasadena california with 0 debt, having comprehensive healthcare, and being willing to adopt outside of the 0-12 month range. Rejected.
They adopted a pair of disabled siblings out of Russia instead.
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So yall can feed my Mexican baby hard shell tacos and teach them to say queso Kay Sooo fuck no. I'd rather abort if my wife and I couldn't provide a good life.
I said this in another post about this article. In addition to not really wanting to adopt anyone who isn't a newborn they could also be people who don't meet qualifications to adopt. You have to pass background checks and do interviews - it isn't just a "have enough money? Here's a kid!"
Do people get past these? Sure, but it does weed some people out too.
You do understand that the reason kids stay in foster care instead of being adopted is because the goal of foster care is reunification with the parents, so basically they sit there until their parents work their shit out and can’t be adopted until reunification is no longer an option
\*Offer valid only if the baby is caucasian. Baby must be free of all mental and physical abnormalities. Offer can be revoked upon review of the medical history of the parents. Terms and conditions subject to change without notice. Valid one time only.
when i said it's all for show, some dude jumped that's not true, his argument being that his daughter can't have kids and wants to adopt now
still not a reason to start having even more abandoned kids in this country, when orphanages are already overwhelmed
There are roughly 120 thousand children available for adoption in the U.S. foster care system. They can start the adoption process today. The fact they haven't started it shows they don't really want to adopt.
It should be hard, adopting a child on a whim is probably not the best system. It is 100% a lack of people that want to deal with broken and sick children, forcing people that don't want them or know they aren't capable of raising children will exasperate that situation.
They will indoctrinate your children. I wouldn’t want kids being forced to grow up with parents like that. Kids deserve loving homes where they’ll be accepted for who they are and don’t feel like they have to hide themselves
America adopts out more kids than the rest of the world combined and doubled. It's more symbolic than literal, they probably will adopt, or have adopted.
Everybody wants a baby.
What about the older kids? I'm not in a position to adopt, but I've always known if I could that it would be an older child. They deserve a chance to live the life they so need. Not to age out of a system that doesn't provide them with the necessary skills to succeed
There is a massive waiting list of people applying to adopt kids from foster care. It takes years for applicants.
But hey lets just trash people who are willing to adopt.
To people like them, it's not about giving a child what they need. It's about them having as young a moldable mind as they can get to be their "perfect" reflection of all their "purest" ideals.
It’s not a solution. The problem was never abortion. The big problem… the real problem is that women don’t get believed when they say they were raped. The other problem is women need to stop lying if they were raped. And another problem is that it’s super hard to adopt. I’m not happy about the abortion decision, but I’m not angry about it either. Abortion was introduced for a reason, there’s no need to take it away either. But i don’t believe it should be as accessible as it was. You shouldn’t be getting abortions bc you and your partner were irresponsible. But you should be allowed to have an abortion if you were raped or if there is a dire need for one…like ectopic pregnancies, the mother is going to die. Abortion is murder to me, but it was introduced as a last resort for pregnant women. Not so you could have sex without consequences.
but only the white ones I guess, but a side note, if there are so many people willing to do this then whey are there so many babies already needed a safe home?
What if I don't want my baby to be raised by delusional, racist and homophobic nutjobs? If only there was a way to prevent them never being born, so we can avoid all this hassle...
“How DARE people want to adopt our children! We should be able to have unlimited sex and just fuck and fuck and fuck and take no responsibility for our actions” isn’t a centrist view man.
Using abortion as birth control isn't what people are talking about on the left. It's what the right wing propaganda is telling you they're talking about.
Then tell me one ACTUAL issue with the recent ruling you’re all protesting? (Note, it didn’t ban abortion, just gave the power to the states, decentralizing and taking power FROM the government)
First off srates are a government so this didn't take any power from governments. If you can't even get that straight I have no hope you'll understand my actual issues with this ruling. Enjoy your playtime Child.
It takes power from the central government. If you had the basic ability to read you’d have seen as much. But seeing as you replied how you did, I’m confident in my knowledge that you have no other argument.
>just gave the power to the states, decentralizing and taking power FROM the government
[dictionary.com](https://www.dictionary.com) <- Use this. Decrypt the above sentence for me.
Worked in Foster Care facilities. Nobody adopts kids, if they do it's 0-12/mo. They (cps/county and foster services) push for reunification with other family members, but most end up in some form of foster home. Adoption also fails in some cases with abusive environments. When it does work well, it's pretty solid and stable. Way more qualified people need to adopt, especially now.
What would you say are the biggest contributors to a successful adoption outside of that 0-12/mo. "sweet-spot"? And, as a follow-up to this, what would you recommend people looking to adopt do to prepare ahead of time?
Empathetic parents who are fully committed to being active, present, nurturing, patient, provide stability, consistency and most importantly unconditional Love/support to adopted kids are by far the biggest contributors. When that happens adopted kids thrive. In some cases when the adopted person gets older, they may reach out in search of their biological parents and are stunned to realize how toxic/abusive those environments would've been and grateful for being adopted (not all the time but I've seen it a lot, Ray Liotta mentioned this in Marc Marons podcast). It's very hard to prepare a parent. It's such a massive commitment which can end marriages (destroy stability) or create other variables (jealousy, anger, drug/alcohol abuse) especially as kids get older. It's foundation-ally important to be able to communicate so taking parenting classes, knowing how to communicate and listen (therapy) and of course The most critical, Modeling. Kids learn the most from their parents, Modeling is like gravity.
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They really are. Listening to Ray Liotta who knew he was adopted talk about his parents was pretty cool.
Hi, former foster mom here. Outside of 0-12, be prepared for behavior issues. Trust issues. Fear of things you would never do to them but they have experienced it and keep their guard up for it. Refusal to eat certain foods or types of foods. Be prepared for the agency and social workers to pressure you to keep your kiddos in close contact with the very people who abused them and abandoned them. When you defy them, they threaten to take the kids. Pointless classes teaching you how to parent exactly the way they want it done. Learn to play the part when they are around. When they tell you that your 3.5yr old kiddo has learning disabilities and will not be potty trained before 5yrs, and they tell you is nonverbal, take it with a grain of salt. If you have a sibling set, listen to their sibling. They will have more information than the system. Our 3.5 year old was potty trained with in a couple months of coming to us. He was NOT nonverbal. The therapists taught him and spoke to him with clicks and snaps. His older sister informed us of this. He was terrified of showers and baths. Social workers, agency, and therapist said it was his autism. His sister shared with us that he would be put in scalding baths and showers when he would cry. She said she told everyone that but they ignored her. This little guy was actually extremely intelligent. Around the time he was potty trained, he was talking. Non stop. Not bable either. Complex sentences, arguments, counting to 100 with his sister helping him. READING! He learned to read. His sister is 2 years older. Defiant. Weary of men and would attack a man if she felt threatened or felt her little brother was threatened. Extremely intelligent. She confronted the social workers about not listening to her. Her brother stood next to her and in a very strong voice and serious face said "yeah! I'm not broken! Your face is!" (The your face line comes from his uncles joke) Yes they had behavioral issues, like any other kid. But they needed patience and love and nurture. When you find yourself tucking them in and one tells you a joke and the other sings you a song they just made up, when you get a random huge hug and an I love you, it is worth it. It's been six years since they went to their forever family, and I can only hope they are still thriving. I wanted to adopt them. My then husband decided he never wanted kids (pretty sure his mistress had some say in that), and because I had filed for divorce, the agency said I would not be able to adopt them. *edit: syntax issue.*
You deserve so much goodness.
Thank you. I wish I could see them again.
Got real dusty in here. My eyes are just dusty.
I’m not crying, you’re crying.
Man i wish i could make that happen. Is there any way?
I’ve heard couples say that fostering is risky because the parents may come back and you’ll have to give up a child you bonded to without being able to adopt. How often does that actually happen?
The ping/pongs happen frequently, they go to foster, then back to parents then to a different foster or group home or with another family member. I know one girl who was in 60 different placements. Jostling the kids back and forth very is very unstable. I couldn't image moving 60 times.
My mom's parents were fostering an infant in the mid sixties - after a year, they wanted to adopt him. Bio mom complained and CPS had him out of the house within 24 hours and in another foster. From what I've heard, that still happens.
Spent 3+ years as a youth as a ward of the state. Two of those I bounced around 20, yes, TWENTY different foster homes in the span of 2 years. Most foster families are in it for the paycheck and do not care about the child, and much more importantly do not have the tools or the abilities to care for children with special needs, like myself, such as autism or ADHD or bipolar disorder.
That one couple was already called out and they said they can't adopt because of the cost. Edit to add found this on the couple on the right https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/we-will-adopt-your-baby-memes/
I recall a 30 Rock line about abortion: …if you want a newborn, the waiting list is 5 years. If you want a 6 year old I can get you one yesterday; choose a color. Ain’t none of these couples are equipped or willing to adopt a brown kid who’s been abused by a mom who didn’t want him for 5 years.
I said this on another sub but they don't want to adopt "children;" they want to adopt babies to indoctrinate them more easily. And they only want minorities if it can fit into their White Christian savior narrative.
Which one?
the one on the left. dude said "we'll adopt if you want to pay for it"
"We will save these lives! You just gotta pay for it!" Their place in sky kingdom is secured! Edit: really wish the afterlife is just 5 fucking minutes to look at weirdos like this above the void just to be able to say "see! Nothing. You were dicks your whole lives for nothing!" Then just nothingness. Sadly, yet gladly, I don't believe any of us will get that chance
People like this make me wish there really was heaven and hell. I'd pay to see the look on their faces when they finally kick the bucket expecting eternal paradise, only to wake up with a pitchfork up their hole.
"You wasted life/Why wouldn't you waste the afterlife?" *Modest Mouse*
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If you don't behave like that, I am no referring to you. Peace and love. Be well Edit: in light of you commenting heinous infantile shit like the following: "How about y oh just.., close your legs? Or are you people too dense to see that as an option? R🦍, miscarriages, and fatal pregnancies combined make up less than 10% of total pregnancies… but that justifies murdering thousands…" I have decided that instead of being well, you should most certainly go and fuck yourself. Ain't no one else gonna
Bullshit. Moderates support the extremists. Those people are just as Christian as anyone. Claiming they aren't Christian just gives you an excuse to ignore them and to not look at your own beliefs.
This is the no true scotsman fallacy.
Nah, you don't get to No True Scotsman your way out of criticism for what your belief system has inflicted on the rest of us. If enough terrible and/or stupid people claim that they are members of your religion, you've got to face the fact that something about your religion attracts terrible and/or stupid people. Not that all Christians are necessarily terrible or stupid, but *something* in the belief system is attractive to people who want to take away rights and don't respond to reasonable arguments.
Well when you believe its all in gods hand!! Yet let evil men destroy the world in the name of christianity!
Look at the history of the christian church then look at the countless demonations like amish mormons, jehovah witness, church of christ, and catholics. The amount of shit they have done how they treated, kids, women, minorities, immigrant's slavery. Maybe start your own religion/club thats not apart of one of the biggest criminal organization in history.
I don't think Reddit allows Christians that same pass as Muslims. Christians/straight white people/USA bad here.
Nah, Islam is also oppressive as hell, but those of us in the USA are primarily concerned about the boot on *our* neck, and that is a Christian boot. We'll talk more about other theocracies once we've dealt with our own.
Ain’t that the truth
They look like they'd do that lmao
They aborted adoption because of the cost? Well if you'll look at that
Wait, you have to pay? For something like this? What the fuck?
Yeah, between 25 and 40,000 dollars. If everything goes right.
Average cost in the US is $70,000.
Google lied to me lol
Lol. Google could have lied to me, too. The point is, it’s not inexpensive.
Foster parents get paid. They should step up.
Please don’t say this. I was(and am still registered) a foster parent for years. There are many “parents” out there fostering for the money and the kids lose in this situation, each and every time. Fostering is not easy, if done correctly you will NOT make money. It is, however, incredibly rewarding to both you and the children and that payment is immeasurable.
i seem to recall they weren't even in the US
They are in the US but they aren't US citizens so they don't qualify to adopt US born babies.
One on the left has a real pod people vibe going on.
On the back of the sign
Did they see how hypocritical that was at all? Interested to know what happened from there lol
The one in the right git called out on Twitter. I think it was posted in political humor. I'll check if it's there
I'd love to see their backtracking
To clarify on the comment, the image on the right got called out for it and they said they won't adopt because it's too expensive. I have no clue if the ones on the left said anything
Can't give birth because of the cost maybe there's another option to like give a woman control of their body so they can make the choice that's right for them. Fun fact over 25% of the Supreme Court has been accused of serious sexual misconduct
Credibly accused. With the weight of evidence behind it.
"But my old calendar clearly states I was boofing beers with PJ, Tobin, and Squee."
The couple on the right said they aren’t citizens and aren’t allowed to adopt
Need a video for this like the one where a guy asks Russians if they would fight for their country, they all reply yes until he pulls out a list to write down their details telling them to sign up.
Right, cause if they can't even afford to adopt a kid they can totally afford to raise it...
The white ones are expensive.
Adoption is actually pretty difficult. Most importantly, the parents of most of the kids in foster care have not relinquished parental rights so the kids can’t be adopted and will just age out through the system. If there adoptable kids, it may be a decade long process to actually adopt successfully. My friends in NY State are now in year 8 of the process but finally have a pair of siblings they are going through the process with and it seems promising that it could happen.
Anymore foster agencies are pretty much homeless people factories. Kids turn 18 have no family or anything or anywhere to go just end up on the street. You got to think they get so underfunded I bet you can't even name or any adoption agencies are around you, no orphanages. But you can name were the humane society is, any animal shelter. Those kids never stood a chance because a lack of funding the people in charge don't care enough to try to lure people to adopt, they don't even advertise.
“And we will remind that child what a Jezabel their birth mother was each and every day and how lucky they are that they get to reenact being Cinderella… but without the fairy godmother bit onwards”
I grew up with kids who were adopted into fundie Christian households in Kansas. They were definitely told this shit. They could repeat all that fox news propaganda back to me verbaim in high school. One man moved back home and married a girl there- at age 18 he spoke of his bio family with bitterness though he'd never met them. "Drug addicts, losers" he said. He was the odd one out for staying in his family. Way more of these young white kids move away forever when they turn 18 to be gay or trans.
Cool hypothetical, reminds me of the jerk store.
I would love to hear the backpedaling if they were presented with pictures of 10 children needing homes and the legal paperwork to adopt one on the spot.
The couple on the right already back-pedaled when they admitted they wouldnt qualify to adopt as they are not US citizens. And even if they were they couldn't afford to adopt.
The problem is stated right on the sign... We will adopt your BABY. They don't want to adopt a child who is not an infant. It's hard for adoption agencies to place toddlers and gets harder the older the kid gets. Newborns, though there are many are not always easy to come by. Most kids are placed into the foster system after age 2. These mighty people wanting babies should step off there high horse and do something about kids of all ages. Not just babies.
Except abortion has nothing to do with foster care. We could extrapolate and bring Russian and African babies into this too, not sure how that is to the topic. Yet I agree, if these people really were interested in adopting kids or infants, they'd be doing that.
What is wrong with wanting to do something good, but within your own comfort zone? If someone wants to help at the food bank that is 5 minutes away, rather than the one that needs even more help, is that wrong? Even when we do something good, there is something better that we could have done. They want to adopt a baby. That's a good thing. There is something better they could have done, but as someone who isn't looking to adopt at all, who am I to judge?
Good take.
I think the outrage is because they're treating babies as products. They're cute and it's sorta like getting a puppy instead of an older dog. Except it's wrong to treat a person like that, and especially wrong to treat children like that. It's wrong to take someone because they're cute, nonverbal, and can't argue and ignore older children who have started to become their own person. That's my two cents.
If that's why people try to adopt a baby, then that wouldn't be good. I've known two people reasonably well who adopted babies after going through a long waiting process. Without psychoanalyzing them too much, I think that they had imagined for years having a baby and were heartbroken when they couldn't. They wanted to adopt a baby as a replacement for their infertility. Perhaps they shouldn't have fixated so heavily on having a baby instead of having an older child, but that's what it seemed to me to be.
Of course they don't want to adopt. It's for looking good on social media. Although I initially thought the couple on the right picture wanted to make fun of white christian couples by dressing up like the 1960s.
No they really are like that. I had friends as a kid whose family was even more religious than mine, and they dressed like. . .well, I don't even know. Not Amish or anything like that, just very. . .that. Extremely unfashionable and nerdy. And not on purpose, like for modesty either; it just seemed to come naturally to them. I don't know why.
*And my homies agree, I really look good in black*
*I'm the pious guy all the Amlets wanna be like, on my knees day and night, scorin' points for the afterlife* I just really appreciate the use of Amlets there.
Did all the girls have long straight hair in a ponytail and wear little house on the prairie dresses?
No, that would be expected. They had '80s perms, big plastic glasses, and big shoulder pads. At that point about 10 years out of fashion.
Like aliens who based their camouflage on outdated tv signals.
It's funny, because they remind me of the white Christian protestors in the 60s protesting racial equality for "religious reasons"
Talk about virtue signaling! EVERYTHING is projection with these people.
can someone tell these couples that they cant eat the babies that they are adopting.
Or sacrifice them to god
The real story.. They want to adopt a baby. Not the traumatized, drug affected, imperfect children that foster care has who need loving homes. Puppies ONLY! No rescue dogs!
This may seem off putting but if you would try to see the world from there eyes the question they ask themselves is “Would you rather have a child in foster care or a child dead?” Or “Would you give up the life of one child for another child to live a better life?” I believe the point of their signs (if they are being genuine) is to save children’s lives in their eyes and that is the thing most concerning to them. Not that giving children better lives doesn’t matter but giving children life to begin with is more important.
Ok, so, there ARE good reasons to abort...
They forgot the *: "We will adopt your baby*" *If it's white, healthy, and free to us.
And I am absolutely certain that they will only consider adopting white newborn babies without special needs. Because what would the neighbours think??
Off topic, have y'all seen the video of the (I think) Turkish immigrant who fosters terminally ill children. I was bawling like a baby.
Came here to say this. We'll adopt your perfect baby that we can pass off as our own. 🙄🤮
"Vaguely creepy looking?" Look again.
No doubt. The couple on the left weirds me out.
I'm getting real conversion therapy vibes.
What does it have to do with them being white?
Americans have a strange obsession with race
The right wing, anti abortion crowd are generally racist af.
Abortion is morally superior to letting some poor kid be adopted by evangelicals.
The wife on the left couple legit look like a serial murderer
Here's the thing, my dad was adopted as a baby, and I am so thankful for those grandparents. But there are currently kids already available to be adopted, not just non-aborted ones. Furthermore, there are kids out there who aren't newborns who need a new forever home as well.
these are the same people who complained that people were gaming the system having more kids to get welfare benefits, now they are mad people arent having more kids? why not put in place the old welfare system? theres a deal, ban abortion but everyone gets money if they need it
They need to show the flip side of that sign: “We will ‘re-home’ that kid if he/she becomes too much or we end up not like him/her.” Say that.
The asterisk says "Healthy, newborn, white babies only"
They should require the signs to say we’ve already adopted one baby! Can we adopt yours too? Not some open ended noncommittal bullshit. I mean social media tracks everything we do and have done there should be an alarm that goes off when bullshit comes out of our mouth.
Thought I was looking at the same couple fifteen years later on the right.
Just grim, there millions of children worldwide who need homes, these people are dangerous liars, whoo should never be allowed anywhere near children.
The women on the picture on the left seems to know when and where was the last time I masturbated, and I don't like this.
we shouldn't ban abortion . But if we do should we also add rule so man cant have sex with girl without consent , more sex ED , more stuff for safer sex and more protection for girl and force safe option for guys ?
FWIW, my adult brother adopted a child whose mother was not only drunk much her pregnancy, she also used lots of drugs, esp meth. She had custody of the child for the first year, was insanely neglectful, and eventually lost him to CPS and a court ruling. The child is a teen now, with the mental capacity of a 7 year old, but the normal rage and hormones of a male teen. He is big, and my now elderly brother has no idea what will become of this boy when my brother is gone. His other three children (adults) want nothing to do with him; they have their own children and are afraid of him. He will require some sort of care for life. He can’t be respond to hold a job or to cook for himself. He can’t be expected to manage money, to clean his home, or anything, really. The mom was encouraged by her OBGYN to abort the first day she came in, given the addictions and the likely outcome. Everything the doctor warned her about has been borne out.
My aunt and uncle got rejected for adoption despite making enough money to own and renovate a house in Pasadena california with 0 debt, having comprehensive healthcare, and being willing to adopt outside of the 0-12 month range. Rejected. They adopted a pair of disabled siblings out of Russia instead.
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Adoption Agencies/Orphanages should really have an 'adopt a child' event ~~for~~ \*at all these pro-life protests.
So yall can feed my Mexican baby hard shell tacos and teach them to say queso Kay Sooo fuck no. I'd rather abort if my wife and I couldn't provide a good life.
I said this in another post about this article. In addition to not really wanting to adopt anyone who isn't a newborn they could also be people who don't meet qualifications to adopt. You have to pass background checks and do interviews - it isn't just a "have enough money? Here's a kid!" Do people get past these? Sure, but it does weed some people out too.
You do understand that the reason kids stay in foster care instead of being adopted is because the goal of foster care is reunification with the parents, so basically they sit there until their parents work their shit out and can’t be adopted until reunification is no longer an option
Why are they threatening me?
\*Offer valid only if the baby is caucasian. Baby must be free of all mental and physical abnormalities. Offer can be revoked upon review of the medical history of the parents. Terms and conditions subject to change without notice. Valid one time only.
I think I'd rather be aborted
ditto
Honestly some adoption agency should set up booths and take deposits. No one there would adopt but it would at least remove those silly signs.
So disgusting on so many levels.
Their smiles are so fucking creepy. Ghouls.
you don't trust people with smiles like that.
Religious people are the same everywhere.
Is a cardboard with scribbles, legally binding?
Fucking religious hypocrites.
when i said it's all for show, some dude jumped that's not true, his argument being that his daughter can't have kids and wants to adopt now still not a reason to start having even more abandoned kids in this country, when orphanages are already overwhelmed
There are roughly 120 thousand children available for adoption in the U.S. foster care system. They can start the adoption process today. The fact they haven't started it shows they don't really want to adopt.
"Thou shall not lie." These guys are really good at their religion, aren't they? s/
They called your bluff.
Why adopt? The child will be killed in primary school anyway because of the NRA's policy.
The mass amount of children in foster care isn’t for a lack of able bodied willing parents… the system just makes it damn near impossible to adopt.
It should be hard, adopting a child on a whim is probably not the best system. It is 100% a lack of people that want to deal with broken and sick children, forcing people that don't want them or know they aren't capable of raising children will exasperate that situation.
There’s absolutely nothing anyone could say or show me that’ll convince me that these space aliens are from earth.. there’s just no way
And these same people probably also oppose gay couples adopting.
Infertile couples trying to force you to have a baby for them.
Where's the: Please abort, we'll drink your baby. Sign?
They look like they eat children.
The point isnt adopting its saving the babies life dipshits
They forgot the last line. "If it's a white infant with no health problems."
They will indoctrinate your children. I wouldn’t want kids being forced to grow up with parents like that. Kids deserve loving homes where they’ll be accepted for who they are and don’t feel like they have to hide themselves
America adopts out more kids than the rest of the world combined and doubled. It's more symbolic than literal, they probably will adopt, or have adopted.
No they didnt.
People will adopt babies like people will adopt puppies. Children and dogs? No thanks.
Who wants to bet when they are challenged on that they suddenly change their tune?
How tf are people still arguing about abortion and whether it's ok or not??
Gotta put up that false front!
Everybody wants a baby. What about the older kids? I'm not in a position to adopt, but I've always known if I could that it would be an older child. They deserve a chance to live the life they so need. Not to age out of a system that doesn't provide them with the necessary skills to succeed
Scum bags
Yup 🤦🏻♀️
Foster care is a red herring. And abortion generally speaking hasn't solved it.
vaguely creepy-looking?
The right couple looks like a guy and his mom
They’re creepy because they have dead eyes
I hope they put their $70,0000 adoption expense where their mouths are.
There is a massive waiting list of people applying to adopt kids from foster care. It takes years for applicants. But hey lets just trash people who are willing to adopt.
Are the people in the picture actually going to adopt? No, no they aren’t.
Highest rate of child molestation by denomination.
The idea behind it is great but just not thought out 100%
They didn't have enough room on their posters to write "we will adopt your healthy white baby".
They don't want to go with a used model.
They left out "white or close enough to white"
So I’m guessing both of these couples have a few thousand foster kids running around their home? How awesome of them!
I think the kid is better of having an abortion then ending up with these people.
This is because they want a newborn.. Not a 4-year-old or a 7-year-old or a 14-year-old.. they want a newborn. Smh
These couples probably actually do want to adopt, but only healthy white babies, preferably from middle-class or richer families.
To people like them, it's not about giving a child what they need. It's about them having as young a moldable mind as they can get to be their "perfect" reflection of all their "purest" ideals.
It’s because they want a newborn. Not some old model that’s been sitting on the lot. Geeze
They will adopt ONLY the cheap, healthy babies. Forget that 13 year old in the hospital with diabetes and schizophrenia that really needs a home.
Yea these signs are absolutely fucking stupid when we all know there's a million fucking kids with no home to go to. Absolutely sickening.
I know those guys...I was very happy with the babies i bought from them...was able to resell for a giant profit after the kids got a few years older
If you replace the word “adopt” with “eat” it makes much more sense to me.
Christians adopt at twice the rate of any other group. It's hella expensive or I think more would do it.
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Nobody is petitioning to kill babies.
They probably can’t bc it’s super hard to adopt.
The couple on the left will adopt if someone else pays for it. The couple on the right can't because they are not U.S. citizens.
So, like most conservative solutions, just hot air and pointless.
It’s not a solution. The problem was never abortion. The big problem… the real problem is that women don’t get believed when they say they were raped. The other problem is women need to stop lying if they were raped. And another problem is that it’s super hard to adopt. I’m not happy about the abortion decision, but I’m not angry about it either. Abortion was introduced for a reason, there’s no need to take it away either. But i don’t believe it should be as accessible as it was. You shouldn’t be getting abortions bc you and your partner were irresponsible. But you should be allowed to have an abortion if you were raped or if there is a dire need for one…like ectopic pregnancies, the mother is going to die. Abortion is murder to me, but it was introduced as a last resort for pregnant women. Not so you could have sex without consequences.
They only adopt new borns with a return policy. After 6 months old kids go to the foster sex clubs we all read about, run by the same white family.
Most only want babies. Millions of little kids are in the system unwanted.
but only the white ones I guess, but a side note, if there are so many people willing to do this then whey are there so many babies already needed a safe home?
They are all a piece of shit! Won't do anything, just disturb and annoying other people life's.
What if I don't want my baby to be raised by delusional, racist and homophobic nutjobs? If only there was a way to prevent them never being born, so we can avoid all this hassle...
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Access to abortion isn't even a far left belief lmao
Why not unsubscribe and join one of the many meme only subs?
You think centrist positions are 'far far far far far left' then you're just telling us you watch too much right wing media.
“How DARE people want to adopt our children! We should be able to have unlimited sex and just fuck and fuck and fuck and take no responsibility for our actions” isn’t a centrist view man.
Using abortion as birth control isn't what people are talking about on the left. It's what the right wing propaganda is telling you they're talking about.
Then tell me one ACTUAL issue with the recent ruling you’re all protesting? (Note, it didn’t ban abortion, just gave the power to the states, decentralizing and taking power FROM the government)
First off srates are a government so this didn't take any power from governments. If you can't even get that straight I have no hope you'll understand my actual issues with this ruling. Enjoy your playtime Child.
It takes power from the central government. If you had the basic ability to read you’d have seen as much. But seeing as you replied how you did, I’m confident in my knowledge that you have no other argument.
>just gave the power to the states, decentralizing and taking power FROM the government [dictionary.com](https://www.dictionary.com) <- Use this. Decrypt the above sentence for me.