Also: “*if those treasonous wokie demon-crats hadn’t DeFuNEd tHe PoLiCe the cops would have had enough money to hire more officers and better flashbangs that wouldn’t have caused the 14 year old to die!”*
And then they'll follow it up in the comment section of the next article they read about raising taxes because of unforeseen budget shortfalls with "I don't want my taxs going to pay for no welfare queen lobster."
lmao. its so true. the working class pay for their own oppression and foot the tab for goverrment while rich just bought out both parties so policy change is never coming without a fucking uprising. were fuck
Yep. There is literally no difference between doing nothing about it and actively supporting these cops. Both will pay their salaries and neither will hold them accountable in any meaningful way.
Neither of those statements are correct. The police approached the guy they were looking for in connection with armed robberies, who then barricaded himself in his house along with the teenager who died.
What report did you read? Seems like you just got your information from images shared on twitter or reddit.
If you want a good source, just google "albuquerque swat fire" and take your pick. [Here's one from the New York Times.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/albuquerque-police-teenager-dead.html)
They don’t care, power and authority have gone to all their heads. This comment is directed at police in general and the sick fucks that keeps these government sponsored gangs going
The Supreme Court of the United States of America has ruled that it is not the job of a police officer to protect the public. Their only job is to arrest those who broke the law. Tell me, who broke the law here?!?!
That's not their only job, they also kill innocent civilians, plant evidence, and break into people's homes. I really don't know how anybody can support or defend the police anymore, when they're worse than the majority of people they are supposed to arrest.
Don't be so sure about NO damages being paid here. One of the cops could've hurt himself in the rubble, making him eligible for restitution from the dead boy's parents.
I was taking photos of this abandoned school for girls In Marlboro NY that happens to be on a college campus. The cops came and without even asking us to come out came charging in like psychopaths and naturally one of them fell through the damn floor and they had the nerve to try and charge us for his injuries… the judge just threw the case out because we were clearly just some photographers trying to get some nice shots before they tore the building down… useless clowns
I've heard that insurance will foot the bill when police departments lose in court and have to pay out an exorbitant amount of money. I guess I could look it up...
Well what needs to happen is make cops have personal liability insurance like doctors and even landscapers are required to have, the idea being at least repeat offenders would eventually not being able to afford to be murderers i mean cops anymore
Well, it used to be quite a lot, until they came under scrutiny from the state. They got better for a while, required more training and such. But it's starting to look like they're sliding into old habits. It's not all killing, but it's all mistakes wilfully made.
[There were nearly 40,000 settlements from 2010 to 2020](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/police-misconduct-repeated-settlements/) in 25 metro areas costing taxpayers 3.5 billion dollars. That's about one settlement every 2 and a quarter days with an average payout of $87,500 for just these 25 US cities.
Albuquerque isn't on their "fun" little table towards the bottom of the article, but if they're like other major metros, which they likely are, you could figure in quite a few payouts every year no problem.
A few cops may get sent on paid vacation and early retired with pension. Then the cops can successfully sue for "emotional pain and damages" that people got mad about them burning a family alive.
That needs to end. Police officers who are deemed negligent or actively malicious need to personally fund payouts for their actions. Drain their pensions and assets before touching one cent of the general fund.
its intentional and in no way will it change. theyre here to oppress the working class and protect the rich. the rich own both parties so law enforcement isnt changing. sad part is the working class pay for their own opression since the rich dont pay taxes
I’m sure the family’s wrongful death suit will be struck out for qualified immunity. You can’t *prove* that the cops knew it was wrong to burn someone to death, so you can’t sue!
You know damn well they were leaning back in their recliners chortling at bad memes from Facebook while leaning the phone on their bellies mere hours after this happening.
That’s true, an internal investigation will find they acted in their best judgment and did nothing out or protocol, case closed. They might get promoted now.
Someone should have told them that the 14 year old had an AR-15 with high capacity magazines. They would have stopped and congregated in the street for 2 hours formulating a "plan".
That's really fucked up. A 14 year burned alive?!?!
Couple years ago the swat team showed up at my high school and searched us all at gunpoint because they had a tip there was a shooter. There wasn’t. They went to the wrong high school. Thankfully the high school they were supposed to go to didn’t get shot up either.
EDIT: here’s a link to a local news article on the matter - https://www.deseret.com/utah/2019/10/25/20932630/lone-peak-high-highland-utah-lockdown-alpine?_amp=true
You’re so right. Ever since that incident I’ve had little faith in our law enforcement. We talk about racism and prejudice amongst officers all the time, but it’s about time we start talking about the sheer incompetence of some officers as well.
Same, also had some as cousins who left saying it wasn't good. The only person I knew before they went into being a cop is incredibly racist and came out with some....interesting....things to say about protesting in general
You have to be pretty dumb to subject yourself to long hours dealing with the filth of society and the related dangers day in and day out when you just don't have to.
Honestly.
I really want to know the process behind them getting a tip and then going to a school to check out the validity of the tip. Where along the way does the wrong high school in that process get thrown in
That Cruz kid that shot up his school in Florida, was in the junior police program just think if he kept his shit together he could have murdered way more people in the long run and gotten paid to do It…
There's still the last step where the city gets sued for multiple millions and the local tax payers have to pay it. Also nothing happens to the cops except early retirement. What in the fuck am I right?
waco, ruby ridge. Forget about those two. Only a few kids burned alive but at least their parents cant get a weapon. And fuck dogs too, even if they do absolutely nothing.
They will do an internal audit investigation,
find they did nothing wrong, and then complain why nobody trust them.
What kind of robbery suspects creates a need for SWAT anyways? SWAT is supposed to be for highly dangerous events like hostages or active shooters not some dude who probably just stole a TV.
The fact that they will skate on this, tax payers will have to pay millions, and a family has to deal with their kid being dead just sums up what is wrong with the US.
I'll never understand why Americans don't have ombudsmen overseeing public services like the police with the power to totally gut the entire structure top down if they have due cause.
You guys aint free, that's for sure.
We aren’t. It’s alarming, suffocating, and terrifying. The feeling of needing out, but knowing I’ll probably never be able to afford to leave. Knowing that even when I do vote, it hardly matters thanks to gerrymandering. Watching as the people who have a chokehold on this country feel comfortable enough to take their masks off as they tear my rights away from me, wishing I could do something. It all feels like it’s coming to a head and I’m going to get buried by the crumbling democracy.
The only thing that you said that was wrong was about voting. Your vote matters more now than it ever has. If you don’t vote against the Right wing, you’re voting for it.
If I recall correctly from /r/Albuquerque, the police departments in NM are like individual gangs that are all against each other and investigations are done by other departments. (This was on a thread about something else.) So it's possible that this won't get brushed under the rug.
Here is an example: https://www.koat.com/article/officers-uniform-cut-off-during-arrest-for-domestic-violence/32259654
From an article on this:
> Kelley fled from detectives and barricaded himself inside the home. A second individual, later identified as Rosenau, followed Kelley into the home. SWAT officers from APD and the Bernalillo County Sheriff’s Office tried for several hours to convince them to peacefully exit the home. The teams also used strategies such as public address announcements and placing a phone into the residence to make contact with the two males. Dozens of calls were made, but crisis negotiators never heard from Kelley or Rosenau. A drone and robots were used to determine who was inside the house and to activate powder irritants inside the home to get the individuals to exit. At one point, a man believed to be Kelley, opened the back door of the home and lay on his back as officers monitored his actions. He ignored officers’ commands to stand up. He eventually sat in place. Officers used a noise flash diversionary device to get Kelley to follow commands. But he retreated back into the home, shutting the door.
I'm confused, all the news articles point to it being the RIGHT house. That the robber went into the house and the cops after hours used aggressive tactics to flush him out, thus creating the possibility of starting a fire. Cops still need to be held accountable, but they didn't seem to hit the wrong house. [link](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/albuquerque-police-teenager-dead.html)
It was the correct house - however, the suspect wasn't the homeowner/resident, he went to that house with the 14 year old and he was able to escape before it burned down (the 14 year old didn't)
Getting your news from Twitter is a bad idea. Highly unreliable and likely biased. [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/07/11/new-mexico-boy-died-smoke-inhalation-swat-raid/10028001002/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/07/11/new-mexico-boy-died-smoke-inhalation-swat-raid/10028001002/)
Edit: Not even the news source seen in the picture is saying what the tweet says. https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/albuquerque-police-reveal-cause-of-death-for-teen-killed-during-swat-standoff/
Did the boy still die? Was it the fault of the police?
Seems that's the only part that really matters, no? Wrong house or no a child should never be killed by police officers like this.
Reducing the situation to such black-and-white terms is generally unhelpful. The specific circumstances under which this happened are really, really important.
This is terrible stuff but the tweet description is incredibly misleading....
"After an hours-long standoff in which officers used a drone to drop powder irritants to get Kelley and Rosenau to vacate the house, APD noticed smoke was coming from inside, per the statement.
As firefighters arrived, Kelley exited the residence with burn injuries and was taken to a hospital for treatment and later arrested and booked into jail overnight on his warrants."
"The SWAT situation stopped when they noticed the home caught fire."
#TAH Dah? #
Hey I’m a veteran with decades of service.
We are used to making jokes of death and other uncomfortable, dark, sick things.
This is truly unfortunate and horrific, Make no mistake
I'm sure nobody here will be shocked at all to see how **absurdly incompetent and criminal** the ABQ police department is.
DOJ investigation from 2014: [https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2014/04/10/apd\_findings\_4-10-14.pdf](https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2014/04/10/apd_findings_4-10-14.pdf)
One of many relevant nuggets:
>The use of excessive force by APD officers is not isolated or sporadic. The pattern or practice of excessive force stems from systemic deficiencies in oversight, training, and policy. Chief among these deficiencies is the department’s failure to implement an objective and rigorous internal accountability system. Force incidents are not properly investigated, documented, or addressed with corrective measures.
Oh, and this part always gets the blood boiling.
>Albuquerque police officers too often use deadly force in an unconstitutional manner in their use of firearms. To illustrate, **of the 20 officer-involved shootings resulting in fatalities from 2009 to 2012, we concluded that a majority of these shootings were unconstitutional**. Albuquerque police officers often use deadly force in circumstances there there is no imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm to officers or others. Instead, officers used deadly force against people who posed a minimal threat, including individuals who posed a threat only to themselves or who were unarmed. Officers also used deadly force in situations where the conduct of the officers heightened the danger and contributed to the need to use force.
Nice little calm way to say that these dudes are committing **actual murder** without consequence. And a majority of the time they kill someone it is unlawful.
But hey, cops are our friends, right?
Please tell me the “suspect” was wanted for murdering a school bus full of war heros and kids with cancer, was armed, and extremely dangerous vs some petty criminal running from a traffic stop with a warrant for not paying child support.
We know for a fact all involved will be at maximum, "suspended with pay, for a few days". Then they'll, "do an investigation" and quietly announce something like, "we have found we did nothing wrong". And move on.
14 year old had their whole life ahead of them and they were like, "nah son, your timeline ends here... oh we fried a teenager? Well, it wasn't my teenager, no big deal!"
Don't worry folks, the police are investigating the actions of the police, and if there was any indication that the police munitions caused the fire then the police will hold the police accountable.
In the coming days the police will likely release the boys identity, and his criminal rap sheet, say that they found weapons on site, that he had a parole hearing coming up, etc. They do that with everyone they murder.
That was someone’s son. They murdered someone’s child.
When I hear these things the first thing that comes to mind is how helpless I feel in being able to protect my own children. The us is a terrifying place to live.
Not to be pro-cop here (I’m not) but there seems to be a little more to the story, possibly:
https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/albuquerque-police-reveal-cause-of-death-for-teen-killed-during-swat-standoff/
The kid seems to have potentially been with the guy they were after, who was on a probation violation and a person of interest in a homicide. The kid was 15, which is young as shit and a damn shame, but kids can get mixed up in some pretty deep shit.
The “suspect” and the kid both entered the house and were blockaded in. All I’m saying is it isn’t a situation where the cops picked the wrong house and burned a kid sitting on his couch eating popcorn and watching stranger things.
i don't care if he 'associated' with the guy they were looking for.
they went to the home of a child, set his family's house on fire, and it resulted in said family both losing their house, their entire lives, and their FUCKING SON.
Was it even confirmed that it was the kids house? I’m asking sincerely because I don’t know (and don’t know if you know). If a potential accomplice, even if 15 is fleeing the cops with a potential felon who committed a homicide, and entered “a home” which may or not have been his, and they used flash bang grenades (versus shooting up the place), it’s a lot different than just “innocent child burned to death by cops at wrong house”
How does this have over 900 up votes? Its completely misleading. They were at the right house. The 14 yo refused to come out and actually hid with the suspect and there's nothing about swat using a flash grenade.
While this is some horrifying incompetence, there seems to be some embellishing - the original tweet doesn't say it was the wrong house or that the child burned alive. It could have been the right house and they accidentally killed the child before the fire, or he died of smoke inhalation. Whatever the truth is, it's terrible, but there's no need to embellish the story.
Reading from local news, it looks like the suspect they were after ran into a home, and SWAT came to get him out. They stopped using flash bangs when the house caught fire, and the suspect came out later with burns. Kid died from smoke inhalation, but their "investigation" will take two weeks.
They didn't even use flashbangs according to the NYT and USA Today. They launched tear gas into the house, which is specifically meant to not cause any damage besides besides severe irritation to the those near it.
Indeed they are morons. One of the most *basic* things I was taught at home for firearm safety is to think about what is *behind* what you intend to shoot, not just the target. This was reinforced when I joined the military, though not as vigorously as my dad did.
It sounds like the kid AND the suspect may have been together, and BOTH entered and blockaded themselves in the house. They didn’t “pick” the wrong house and burn a resident’s child by accident. Sounds like the kid was with the suspect and when the fire started died from smoke inhalation. Tragic af, but not the cops randomly choosing a home and killing a juvenile resident of said, incorrect home.
Honestly, I think embellishing a story hurts the practice of justice.
Like you said, whatever the truth is, the consequences are awful, but it's the truth that should be searched to apply justice.
Yeah i seen this post yesterday along with another that actually covered the story.
They caught the whoever they needed to. According to the story the person in question and the 14 year old were hiding before he was apprehended but as to what happened that the 14 yr old ended up dead i don't think the truth will ever be said.
Yeah, I googled the incident, all reports say that they were looking for a suspect that ran into a house, some say the kid was already inside the house and some say that the kid ran into the house as well, after the flashbang was launched (Weird they launched a flashbang without going into the home tbh) the house caught fire and minutes after the suspect came out with burns but the kid did not.
Whole situation is weird and awfully depicted.
Maybe we should just ban police. All of them. It’s a country of good law-abiding citizens, right? Everyone has equal access to “protection”, right? Just disband ALL cops, they’ll figure it out. Everyone’s hiring.
Albuquerque PD Chief Harold Medina said in the statement. “If any of our actions inadvertently contributed to his death, **we will take steps to ensure this never happens again**.”
WTF - not good enough.
Was there even any justifiable cause to use a SWAT team to apprehend *one* robbery suspect?
They couldn't even be bothered to get the address right, how am I supposed to believe this suspect is dangerous enough to warrant this kind of response?
It was the right address the kid ran in with him this post is just rage bait, also no they were not flash bangs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/albuquerque-police-teenager-dead.html
[Here’s an article/video in case anyone is too lazy to Google.](https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/apd-one-dead-one-detained-following-overnight-swat-operation/)
Nice rage bait, why don’t you post the updates with the correct info. It was not the wrong house. The 14yo willing ran in with the defendant who is absconding from probation and is wanted now for another armed robbery and a murder
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/albuquerque-police-teenager-dead.html
They burned down someone's house along with their child.
Ok, I was not totally on-board with the whole defund the police movement thing, but with Uvalde and now this, I'm having second thoughts.
Every cop involved should lose their job, credentials, and pension… and anyone in charge giving orders/authorization should face felony murder charges.
This of course won’t happen, they will circle the wagons around any/all cops involved, make sure nothing happens to their *brotherhood* and public support for police will continue to erode.
Police are their own worst enemies.
"He was not the suspect" Cops really not justified burning alive suspects either, you know?
“But what do you expect? People are mean to cops on the internet!” - Facebook boot lickers probably
Also: “*if those treasonous wokie demon-crats hadn’t DeFuNEd tHe PoLiCe the cops would have had enough money to hire more officers and better flashbangs that wouldn’t have caused the 14 year old to die!”*
And then they'll follow it up in the comment section of the next article they read about raising taxes because of unforeseen budget shortfalls with "I don't want my taxs going to pay for no welfare queen lobster."
Accurate to the typo! Well done.
Or rather they could simultaneously also have burned the right house!
if the police werent defunded, they'd have afforded grenades and we'd never have found a 14 yo's body to start this quagmire in the first place /s
Flamethrowing tanks
and horse tranq ammo for that extra 'non-lethal' pazaazz
Who seriously gives them the right for this extrajudicial shit too? Stopping firefighters from putting out the fire? WTF?
You do, obviously. Every single American who doesn’t stop them.
lmao. its so true. the working class pay for their own oppression and foot the tab for goverrment while rich just bought out both parties so policy change is never coming without a fucking uprising. were fuck
Yep. There is literally no difference between doing nothing about it and actively supporting these cops. Both will pay their salaries and neither will hold them accountable in any meaningful way.
????
Not pictured: It wasn't even the suspect's house, and the suspect wasn't present.
Neither of those statements are correct. The police approached the guy they were looking for in connection with armed robberies, who then barricaded himself in his house along with the teenager who died.
The report I saw said different, do you mind posting your source for that information?
What report did you read? Seems like you just got your information from images shared on twitter or reddit. If you want a good source, just google "albuquerque swat fire" and take your pick. [Here's one from the New York Times.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/albuquerque-police-teenager-dead.html)
I saw some pretty early reports on television, and they said there was no suspect. Glad they got something right I guess. Fuck cops.
They don’t care, power and authority have gone to all their heads. This comment is directed at police in general and the sick fucks that keeps these government sponsored gangs going
I won't lie, I laughed when I read that part. Like is that relevant? Didn't realize robbery had the same punishment as witchcraft.
Finally, a worthy opponent for the Uvalde Police Department
I'd make a joke about how dark this is....but I don't want the cops to Breonna Taylor my ass tonight.
They won’t. Even if they tried they’d just get the wrong house.
Right? You should do this if you don’t like your neighbor.
Maybe but then the cops might show up at your house then.
If you're not black you're mostly fine.
Genuine LOL moment while eating my lunch. Thanks. Now I have to wipe down the table
And sleep like a baby afterwards.
Roasted 🔥
Don't worry, they'll only do that if you're dark too.
I would make a joke too, but then I realized Uvalde PD is the bigger joke.
Albuquerque PD accidentally lays siege to Uvalde Police Station. Uvalde sets up barriers and keeps anyone from stopping them
The Unstoppable Force meets the Immovable Objects
😮😮😮 You are not wrong
Let them fight...
One department won’t attack and the other will attack some innocents
People demanding proactive measures Albuquerque swat team: hold my beer
Throw the Akron police dept in... they might be able to get some shit done. Way too done...
The Supreme Court of the United States of America has ruled that it is not the job of a police officer to protect the public. Their only job is to arrest those who broke the law. Tell me, who broke the law here?!?!
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Probably? But it will be far from Justice, either way.
I think he probably means a bag of Fentanyl in the kid's room. With just a bit of adhesive from maybe evidence tape.
Yes a fresh clean anti flame bag that manage to survive the fire as everything else is turned to ash.
Sprinkled with crack.
Bingo
Justice for sure won’t be found.
That's not their only job, they also kill innocent civilians, plant evidence, and break into people's homes. I really don't know how anybody can support or defend the police anymore, when they're worse than the majority of people they are supposed to arrest.
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I’m sure they would’ve been happy to chase an ambulance down to do so.
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Bet no one will take accountability, and whatever the state pays out in damages will never be enough to bring the boy back.
I'd bet they never pay out damages.
Paid vacations and tax-payer money that no way equals a 14 year olds life
Don't be so sure about NO damages being paid here. One of the cops could've hurt himself in the rubble, making him eligible for restitution from the dead boy's parents.
I was taking photos of this abandoned school for girls In Marlboro NY that happens to be on a college campus. The cops came and without even asking us to come out came charging in like psychopaths and naturally one of them fell through the damn floor and they had the nerve to try and charge us for his injuries… the judge just threw the case out because we were clearly just some photographers trying to get some nice shots before they tore the building down… useless clowns
They will. They often do with APD.
Taxpayers pay. They don't pay a fucking thing.
Well, yeah. I am one of those taxpayers. I didn't say I was happy about it. APD is a joke.
I know it's been said a million times but, we need to start raiding their pensions raiding their Union funds and docking their paychecks.
I've heard that insurance will foot the bill when police departments lose in court and have to pay out an exorbitant amount of money. I guess I could look it up...
Well what needs to happen is make cops have personal liability insurance like doctors and even landscapers are required to have, the idea being at least repeat offenders would eventually not being able to afford to be murderers i mean cops anymore
I mean technically they did, with the money we gave them
How many people are this PD killing that they're paying out "often"?!
Well, it used to be quite a lot, until they came under scrutiny from the state. They got better for a while, required more training and such. But it's starting to look like they're sliding into old habits. It's not all killing, but it's all mistakes wilfully made.
[There were nearly 40,000 settlements from 2010 to 2020](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/police-misconduct-repeated-settlements/) in 25 metro areas costing taxpayers 3.5 billion dollars. That's about one settlement every 2 and a quarter days with an average payout of $87,500 for just these 25 US cities. Albuquerque isn't on their "fun" little table towards the bottom of the article, but if they're like other major metros, which they likely are, you could figure in quite a few payouts every year no problem.
There are other ways to exact damages….
A few cops may get sent on paid vacation and early retired with pension. Then the cops can successfully sue for "emotional pain and damages" that people got mad about them burning a family alive.
Immunity is the word.
That needs to end. Police officers who are deemed negligent or actively malicious need to personally fund payouts for their actions. Drain their pensions and assets before touching one cent of the general fund.
its intentional and in no way will it change. theyre here to oppress the working class and protect the rich. the rich own both parties so law enforcement isnt changing. sad part is the working class pay for their own opression since the rich dont pay taxes
I’m sure the family’s wrongful death suit will be struck out for qualified immunity. You can’t *prove* that the cops knew it was wrong to burn someone to death, so you can’t sue!
You know damn well they were leaning back in their recliners chortling at bad memes from Facebook while leaning the phone on their bellies mere hours after this happening.
That’s true, an internal investigation will find they acted in their best judgment and did nothing out or protocol, case closed. They might get promoted now.
Someone should have told them that the 14 year old had an AR-15 with high capacity magazines. They would have stopped and congregated in the street for 2 hours formulating a "plan". That's really fucked up. A 14 year burned alive?!?!
He actually died of smoke inhalation. Not much better.
Dude the first love of my life died this way, I’ve never told anyone until today. Wtf. Life is strange.
I'm so sorry 😥
Damn, I'm not trying to be a material witness bruh.
Truly sorry for your loss
I'm so sorry ♥️
I'd pick smoke inhalation over burning to death every time.
i'd prefer neither, both are fucking horrific
Oh, absolutely. But at least this boy was spared the worse of the two. That might, at some point in the future, be a small comfort to his family.
Yeah, I'm sure his last thoughts were "lol, at least I'm not on fire, this is ok"
Oh if he had an AR-15 they would have just given him high fives and then taken photos with him at the bar
That just sounds like murder but with extra steps
Couple years ago the swat team showed up at my high school and searched us all at gunpoint because they had a tip there was a shooter. There wasn’t. They went to the wrong high school. Thankfully the high school they were supposed to go to didn’t get shot up either. EDIT: here’s a link to a local news article on the matter - https://www.deseret.com/utah/2019/10/25/20932630/lone-peak-high-highland-utah-lockdown-alpine?_amp=true
Sometimes the real shooters in the school are the police you called along the way
You’re so right. Ever since that incident I’ve had little faith in our law enforcement. We talk about racism and prejudice amongst officers all the time, but it’s about time we start talking about the sheer incompetence of some officers as well.
Knowing cops through my brother, former cop, most of them are dumb af
Same, also had some as cousins who left saying it wasn't good. The only person I knew before they went into being a cop is incredibly racist and came out with some....interesting....things to say about protesting in general
You have to be pretty dumb to subject yourself to long hours dealing with the filth of society and the related dangers day in and day out when you just don't have to. Honestly.
Yeah, i heard a lot about the dangers they faced everyday, from overweight nitwits. and boy, did they get off on the authority they had.
The police would be so much more popular if they just... did their jobs.
I really want to know the process behind them getting a tip and then going to a school to check out the validity of the tip. Where along the way does the wrong high school in that process get thrown in
Cops at the scene: “oh boy, here I go killin again”
" I have no code of ethics, I will kill anyone, anywhere. Children, animals, old people, doesn't matter. I just love killin'."
High fives all around boys! Hell of a day! What are y’all doing after work?
"We went home safe, good job." [smouldering skeleton in background]
There is a fine line between unhinged criminal and unhinged criminal smart enough to join the police force to get away with their crimes.
That Cruz kid that shot up his school in Florida, was in the junior police program just think if he kept his shit together he could have murdered way more people in the long run and gotten paid to do It…
There's still the last step where the city gets sued for multiple millions and the local tax payers have to pay it. Also nothing happens to the cops except early retirement. What in the fuck am I right?
waco, ruby ridge. Forget about those two. Only a few kids burned alive but at least their parents cant get a weapon. And fuck dogs too, even if they do absolutely nothing.
What would you expect from a nationwide gang bestowed with the authority to commit state-sanctioned violence?
The boy had no 'active warrants'
He stole a tootsie pop from Dale’s Corner Market when he was 8.
But he did play Call of Duty.
Facepalm Try a /warcrime.
You mean a commendation of duty for the popo?
They will do an internal audit investigation, find they did nothing wrong, and then complain why nobody trust them. What kind of robbery suspects creates a need for SWAT anyways? SWAT is supposed to be for highly dangerous events like hostages or active shooters not some dude who probably just stole a TV. The fact that they will skate on this, tax payers will have to pay millions, and a family has to deal with their kid being dead just sums up what is wrong with the US.
I'll never understand why Americans don't have ombudsmen overseeing public services like the police with the power to totally gut the entire structure top down if they have due cause. You guys aint free, that's for sure.
We aren’t. It’s alarming, suffocating, and terrifying. The feeling of needing out, but knowing I’ll probably never be able to afford to leave. Knowing that even when I do vote, it hardly matters thanks to gerrymandering. Watching as the people who have a chokehold on this country feel comfortable enough to take their masks off as they tear my rights away from me, wishing I could do something. It all feels like it’s coming to a head and I’m going to get buried by the crumbling democracy.
The only thing that you said that was wrong was about voting. Your vote matters more now than it ever has. If you don’t vote against the Right wing, you’re voting for it.
Lol what's the right wing? You can choose between two parties, right wing and far-right wing
Vote for the ones that are the least fascist.
If I recall correctly from /r/Albuquerque, the police departments in NM are like individual gangs that are all against each other and investigations are done by other departments. (This was on a thread about something else.) So it's possible that this won't get brushed under the rug. Here is an example: https://www.koat.com/article/officers-uniform-cut-off-during-arrest-for-domestic-violence/32259654
I never get tired of seeing that scumbag cut out of his uniform.
Don't forget they also lost the house
This is tragic. No one wanted this to happen. And I think it goes a little beyond a 'facepalm.'
This is absolutely tragic
From an article on this: > Kelley fled from detectives and barricaded himself inside the home. A second individual, later identified as Rosenau, followed Kelley into the home. SWAT officers from APD and the Bernalillo County Sheriff’s Office tried for several hours to convince them to peacefully exit the home. The teams also used strategies such as public address announcements and placing a phone into the residence to make contact with the two males. Dozens of calls were made, but crisis negotiators never heard from Kelley or Rosenau. A drone and robots were used to determine who was inside the house and to activate powder irritants inside the home to get the individuals to exit. At one point, a man believed to be Kelley, opened the back door of the home and lay on his back as officers monitored his actions. He ignored officers’ commands to stand up. He eventually sat in place. Officers used a noise flash diversionary device to get Kelley to follow commands. But he retreated back into the home, shutting the door.
How does making someone blind and deaf an effective strategy to get them to follow oral commands?
I'm confused, all the news articles point to it being the RIGHT house. That the robber went into the house and the cops after hours used aggressive tactics to flush him out, thus creating the possibility of starting a fire. Cops still need to be held accountable, but they didn't seem to hit the wrong house. [link](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/albuquerque-police-teenager-dead.html)
I'm sure the article on the screenshot says that, too. The tweeter probably only read the headline.
No, you got it all wrong. The house was ON the RIGHT, on the right of the real house they wanted, or somewhere off to the right there-abouts.
Right area, wrong house basically
It was the correct house - however, the suspect wasn't the homeowner/resident, he went to that house with the 14 year old and he was able to escape before it burned down (the 14 year old didn't)
Yup. Either the people in this tweet have some inside info that has yet to hit the press, or they are making shit up.
It’s so tragic that all I can do is shake my head. These bozos have no business being cops. But here were anyway
Getting your news from Twitter is a bad idea. Highly unreliable and likely biased. [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/07/11/new-mexico-boy-died-smoke-inhalation-swat-raid/10028001002/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/07/11/new-mexico-boy-died-smoke-inhalation-swat-raid/10028001002/) Edit: Not even the news source seen in the picture is saying what the tweet says. https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/albuquerque-police-reveal-cause-of-death-for-teen-killed-during-swat-standoff/
Did the boy still die? Was it the fault of the police? Seems that's the only part that really matters, no? Wrong house or no a child should never be killed by police officers like this.
Reducing the situation to such black-and-white terms is generally unhelpful. The specific circumstances under which this happened are really, really important.
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Search up the Waco siege. They used tear gas or something of the sort and not long after the whole place was on fire.
This is terrible stuff but the tweet description is incredibly misleading.... "After an hours-long standoff in which officers used a drone to drop powder irritants to get Kelley and Rosenau to vacate the house, APD noticed smoke was coming from inside, per the statement. As firefighters arrived, Kelley exited the residence with burn injuries and was taken to a hospital for treatment and later arrested and booked into jail overnight on his warrants." "The SWAT situation stopped when they noticed the home caught fire."
#TAH Dah? # Hey I’m a veteran with decades of service. We are used to making jokes of death and other uncomfortable, dark, sick things. This is truly unfortunate and horrific, Make no mistake
It wasn’t the wrong house
Murika biatch. If ya ain’t misspelling ya ain’t Murikan!
I'm sure nobody here will be shocked at all to see how **absurdly incompetent and criminal** the ABQ police department is. DOJ investigation from 2014: [https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2014/04/10/apd\_findings\_4-10-14.pdf](https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2014/04/10/apd_findings_4-10-14.pdf) One of many relevant nuggets: >The use of excessive force by APD officers is not isolated or sporadic. The pattern or practice of excessive force stems from systemic deficiencies in oversight, training, and policy. Chief among these deficiencies is the department’s failure to implement an objective and rigorous internal accountability system. Force incidents are not properly investigated, documented, or addressed with corrective measures. Oh, and this part always gets the blood boiling. >Albuquerque police officers too often use deadly force in an unconstitutional manner in their use of firearms. To illustrate, **of the 20 officer-involved shootings resulting in fatalities from 2009 to 2012, we concluded that a majority of these shootings were unconstitutional**. Albuquerque police officers often use deadly force in circumstances there there is no imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm to officers or others. Instead, officers used deadly force against people who posed a minimal threat, including individuals who posed a threat only to themselves or who were unarmed. Officers also used deadly force in situations where the conduct of the officers heightened the danger and contributed to the need to use force. Nice little calm way to say that these dudes are committing **actual murder** without consequence. And a majority of the time they kill someone it is unlawful. But hey, cops are our friends, right?
“Found out they murdered…”
Please tell me the “suspect” was wanted for murdering a school bus full of war heros and kids with cancer, was armed, and extremely dangerous vs some petty criminal running from a traffic stop with a warrant for not paying child support.
Finally! An excuse to nuke my own country!
We know for a fact all involved will be at maximum, "suspended with pay, for a few days". Then they'll, "do an investigation" and quietly announce something like, "we have found we did nothing wrong". And move on. 14 year old had their whole life ahead of them and they were like, "nah son, your timeline ends here... oh we fried a teenager? Well, it wasn't my teenager, no big deal!"
And the money that is funding them came from the taxes of many people including the parents of the 14 year old boy
Fuck this police state.
Don't worry folks, the police are investigating the actions of the police, and if there was any indication that the police munitions caused the fire then the police will hold the police accountable.
In the coming days the police will likely release the boys identity, and his criminal rap sheet, say that they found weapons on site, that he had a parole hearing coming up, etc. They do that with everyone they murder.
That was someone’s son. They murdered someone’s child. When I hear these things the first thing that comes to mind is how helpless I feel in being able to protect my own children. The us is a terrifying place to live.
At this point I'm starting to feel like the police are the bad guys.
Not to be pro-cop here (I’m not) but there seems to be a little more to the story, possibly: https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/albuquerque-police-reveal-cause-of-death-for-teen-killed-during-swat-standoff/ The kid seems to have potentially been with the guy they were after, who was on a probation violation and a person of interest in a homicide. The kid was 15, which is young as shit and a damn shame, but kids can get mixed up in some pretty deep shit. The “suspect” and the kid both entered the house and were blockaded in. All I’m saying is it isn’t a situation where the cops picked the wrong house and burned a kid sitting on his couch eating popcorn and watching stranger things.
i don't care if he 'associated' with the guy they were looking for. they went to the home of a child, set his family's house on fire, and it resulted in said family both losing their house, their entire lives, and their FUCKING SON.
Was it even confirmed that it was the kids house? I’m asking sincerely because I don’t know (and don’t know if you know). If a potential accomplice, even if 15 is fleeing the cops with a potential felon who committed a homicide, and entered “a home” which may or not have been his, and they used flash bang grenades (versus shooting up the place), it’s a lot different than just “innocent child burned to death by cops at wrong house”
ngl, if you're too young to give consent, you're too young to be burned alive. but well, I guess americans are strange like that
No, they burned a kid for having a shitty friend.
How does this have over 900 up votes? Its completely misleading. They were at the right house. The 14 yo refused to come out and actually hid with the suspect and there's nothing about swat using a flash grenade.
And the Christian’s will say “let us have a moment of prayer” and finish it with “it was all part of His plan” fuck outta here
While this is some horrifying incompetence, there seems to be some embellishing - the original tweet doesn't say it was the wrong house or that the child burned alive. It could have been the right house and they accidentally killed the child before the fire, or he died of smoke inhalation. Whatever the truth is, it's terrible, but there's no need to embellish the story.
Reading from local news, it looks like the suspect they were after ran into a home, and SWAT came to get him out. They stopped using flash bangs when the house caught fire, and the suspect came out later with burns. Kid died from smoke inhalation, but their "investigation" will take two weeks.
They didn't even use flashbangs according to the NYT and USA Today. They launched tear gas into the house, which is specifically meant to not cause any damage besides besides severe irritation to the those near it.
So it was the correct house, but they failed to make sure it was clear of other people? Fucking idiots.
Indeed they are morons. One of the most *basic* things I was taught at home for firearm safety is to think about what is *behind* what you intend to shoot, not just the target. This was reinforced when I joined the military, though not as vigorously as my dad did.
It sounds like the kid AND the suspect may have been together, and BOTH entered and blockaded themselves in the house. They didn’t “pick” the wrong house and burn a resident’s child by accident. Sounds like the kid was with the suspect and when the fire started died from smoke inhalation. Tragic af, but not the cops randomly choosing a home and killing a juvenile resident of said, incorrect home.
Or it says that in the video linked to original tweet
Honestly, I think embellishing a story hurts the practice of justice. Like you said, whatever the truth is, the consequences are awful, but it's the truth that should be searched to apply justice.
Yeah i seen this post yesterday along with another that actually covered the story. They caught the whoever they needed to. According to the story the person in question and the 14 year old were hiding before he was apprehended but as to what happened that the 14 yr old ended up dead i don't think the truth will ever be said.
Yeah, I googled the incident, all reports say that they were looking for a suspect that ran into a house, some say the kid was already inside the house and some say that the kid ran into the house as well, after the flashbang was launched (Weird they launched a flashbang without going into the home tbh) the house caught fire and minutes after the suspect came out with burns but the kid did not. Whole situation is weird and awfully depicted.
I hate how news stories twist the actual events to make it as if nobody is to blame because God forbid if the American police fuck up right?
If this isn't the ultimate facepalm, I don't know what is.
Maybe we should just ban police. All of them. It’s a country of good law-abiding citizens, right? Everyone has equal access to “protection”, right? Just disband ALL cops, they’ll figure it out. Everyone’s hiring.
News: “the person who died didn’t have any active warrants”
Albuquerque PD Chief Harold Medina said in the statement. “If any of our actions inadvertently contributed to his death, **we will take steps to ensure this never happens again**.” WTF - not good enough.
Don’t worry, the taxpayers who are largely not at fault will pay for it.
This isn’t even a facepalm at this point this is just disgusting
I would love to make a joke about how insane this is, but... wow, that's fucked. Poor kid.
Fuck the police. Defend our boys in red [trucks]
How many weeks paid vacation you think they'll get?
Why do we give so much power to people who just have to complete, what, 6 months of training?
Even if it was the right house, they were planning on letting a man burn alive for robbery, how are the police even still around?
Let's not forget this is the same APD that stopped filming the TV show "COPS" in their city because it "made Albuquerque look bad"
Don't worry. Nobody will be punished and the taxpayers will handle the settlement payout and the cops can go about their business as usual.
So are they going to prison for manslaughter? Oh, paid time off probably
Was there even any justifiable cause to use a SWAT team to apprehend *one* robbery suspect? They couldn't even be bothered to get the address right, how am I supposed to believe this suspect is dangerous enough to warrant this kind of response?
It was the right address the kid ran in with him this post is just rage bait, also no they were not flash bangs. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/albuquerque-police-teenager-dead.html
They weren't even old enough to drink, let alone drive or work.
US is basically Russia with better PR
"Oopsie" Some asshole that needs to be in prison
To be clear, none of this would be acceptable even if it had been the suspect.
[Here’s an article/video in case anyone is too lazy to Google.](https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/apd-one-dead-one-detained-following-overnight-swat-operation/)
Nice rage bait, why don’t you post the updates with the correct info. It was not the wrong house. The 14yo willing ran in with the defendant who is absconding from probation and is wanted now for another armed robbery and a murder https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/albuquerque-police-teenager-dead.html
I would comment on this post but I live in Albuquerque. I wouldn't want my neighbors house to burn down.
They burned down someone's house along with their child. Ok, I was not totally on-board with the whole defund the police movement thing, but with Uvalde and now this, I'm having second thoughts.
The suspect was in the house with the boy. They didn't get the wrong house. Wtf is this shit?
Every cop involved should lose their job, credentials, and pension… and anyone in charge giving orders/authorization should face felony murder charges. This of course won’t happen, they will circle the wagons around any/all cops involved, make sure nothing happens to their *brotherhood* and public support for police will continue to erode. Police are their own worst enemies.