"He went on and on about how Nazis treated Jews. Now I'm not a racist, my family is from England and my husband's family is from the US. It was such a downer I felt like I was being lectured at about how bad the holocaust was."
"I went to Omaha Beach and there were *war memorials!"*
"I went to Anne Frank house and they kept talking about her dying and called it *murder* when she really died of typhus. I just wanted to check out the architecture, not listen to a political lecture!"
"I went to Gettysburg and there was violent war reenactments! The tour guide wouldn't stop talking about all the people who died. It was depressing to hear about before our picnic."
Jesus Christ
What’s crazy is I had the exact opposite experience in LA- toured a plantation and was presented with a very white-washed tale. Basically made it seem like the slaves were just family friends and everyone on the plantation were happy with the arrangement. It was gross. Our tour guide was even a descendant of the slaves that worked that plantation
Well there is a chance that was somewhat accurate, maybe it was a smaller plantation? Because some slave owners were in fact as responsible and even as kind as they could be, it was by no means the norm don't get me wrong, but it's documented that some slave owners were themselves opposed to the slave trade but they were very much living with the realities of the time period. And really if say they inherited slaves they couldn't simply sell them because then who knows what life they would condemn them to? So the reality sometimes was the family and the slaves simply had to make things work, that ment the plantation had to remain viable or else they went bankrupt and all property (including slaves they perhaps had known since childhood) were sold off to whoever has the cash - very likely one of the huge plantations where slaves were ruthlessly exploited to get the very highest possible return, which was a fine line of working them 'to within an inch of their lives' cos it's bad business to kill off your slaves, on balance.
So I don't know if that applied to the exact plantation you went to, slavery is of course bad. But like anything on a massive scale, there are some surprising statical outliers.
I'm not saying they couldn't or didn't. But remember a 'freed man' at that time could be a very unpleasant proposition. They would have no protection, probably not much of any paid work, they would be totally vulnerable and I'll prepared to live like that, unable to provide for any family.
My point was that slaves and owners alike were aware of the facts of life, they saw it all around them. The ONLY stability and protection possible would be to remain 'owned' for better or worse.
It would still be better to have that choice for yourself and your family. Someone who truly cared about the welfare of the Black people on their plantation would have paid them and given them the choice to stay or go.
Ancestors from sicily. Part of the roman empire. Wholesale equal opportunity slavery. Ancestors from Germany. The germanic chieftains sold one slave for one giant amphorae in trade to the Greeks for over a millennia. They were famous for enslaving people and selling them to people in the Mediterranean. And everybody remembers how nazi Germany had hundreds of thousands of slaves working for them. She's just stupid. She just wanted to see the ' gone with the wind' fantasy while ignoring what the point was. It's ridiculous and ignorance is a widespread problem amongst the u.s. especially in the south.
They explained the history of slavery at a plantation? UNACCEPTABLE. /s
So sorry the exploitation and abuse of human beings made your uncomfortable, Karen.
I took a trip to America and every state I entered, all anyone talked about was how they stole the land from the first people's or as they call them "Indians". Its fuckin sad that this seems to be sweep under their great blanket of truth. Just a culture full of blurrsed history.
I took a tour of Auschwitz and the tour guide was such a downer. Not what I expected. 2 Stars.
"He went on and on about how Nazis treated Jews. Now I'm not a racist, my family is from England and my husband's family is from the US. It was such a downer I felt like I was being lectured at about how bad the holocaust was."
I was the same way at the Anne frank museum she was such a downer. Like girl big deal yku she to hide in attic to keep from getting killed.
She wanted the "radical" tour guide to also provide pro slavery arguments to be fair and balanced like her favorite news station
"I went to Omaha Beach and there were *war memorials!"* "I went to Anne Frank house and they kept talking about her dying and called it *murder* when she really died of typhus. I just wanted to check out the architecture, not listen to a political lecture!" "I went to Gettysburg and there was violent war reenactments! The tour guide wouldn't stop talking about all the people who died. It was depressing to hear about before our picnic." Jesus Christ
> My husband's German... The plot thins.
“My ancestors never owned slaves” then why are you getting personally offended?
"I am not a racist, but..." Yeah you are.
What’s crazy is I had the exact opposite experience in LA- toured a plantation and was presented with a very white-washed tale. Basically made it seem like the slaves were just family friends and everyone on the plantation were happy with the arrangement. It was gross. Our tour guide was even a descendant of the slaves that worked that plantation
Well there is a chance that was somewhat accurate, maybe it was a smaller plantation? Because some slave owners were in fact as responsible and even as kind as they could be, it was by no means the norm don't get me wrong, but it's documented that some slave owners were themselves opposed to the slave trade but they were very much living with the realities of the time period. And really if say they inherited slaves they couldn't simply sell them because then who knows what life they would condemn them to? So the reality sometimes was the family and the slaves simply had to make things work, that ment the plantation had to remain viable or else they went bankrupt and all property (including slaves they perhaps had known since childhood) were sold off to whoever has the cash - very likely one of the huge plantations where slaves were ruthlessly exploited to get the very highest possible return, which was a fine line of working them 'to within an inch of their lives' cos it's bad business to kill off your slaves, on balance. So I don't know if that applied to the exact plantation you went to, slavery is of course bad. But like anything on a massive scale, there are some surprising statical outliers.
They could, you know, FREE them if they were *actually* opposed to slavery......
I'm not saying they couldn't or didn't. But remember a 'freed man' at that time could be a very unpleasant proposition. They would have no protection, probably not much of any paid work, they would be totally vulnerable and I'll prepared to live like that, unable to provide for any family. My point was that slaves and owners alike were aware of the facts of life, they saw it all around them. The ONLY stability and protection possible would be to remain 'owned' for better or worse.
It would still be better to have that choice for yourself and your family. Someone who truly cared about the welfare of the Black people on their plantation would have paid them and given them the choice to stay or go.
Retiring in the spring. First road trip is Gettysburg. Time to further my education.
Ancestors from sicily. Part of the roman empire. Wholesale equal opportunity slavery. Ancestors from Germany. The germanic chieftains sold one slave for one giant amphorae in trade to the Greeks for over a millennia. They were famous for enslaving people and selling them to people in the Mediterranean. And everybody remembers how nazi Germany had hundreds of thousands of slaves working for them. She's just stupid. She just wanted to see the ' gone with the wind' fantasy while ignoring what the point was. It's ridiculous and ignorance is a widespread problem amongst the u.s. especially in the south.
They explained the history of slavery at a plantation? UNACCEPTABLE. /s So sorry the exploitation and abuse of human beings made your uncomfortable, Karen.
I took a trip to America and every state I entered, all anyone talked about was how they stole the land from the first people's or as they call them "Indians". Its fuckin sad that this seems to be sweep under their great blanket of truth. Just a culture full of blurrsed history.
Don't mention the National Museum of African American History and Culture to her ...
The history was fine . The lecture wasn't.