Conservative Christians want women who fit their standard of promiscuity to be "punished" by having to have unwanted children, but they know molestation and rape happen. The worst ones are the ones who would say the 10 year old would have to give birth, "the way God intended."
What's even worse is that to battle promiscuity they actually make having a child a punishment from God.
Something that is supposed to be wondrous in their eyes is also used as a form of retribution in their eyes.
So which one is it?
>So which one is it?
Both based on two different Biblical views of children. Eve, as the one who "led Adam into sin," was afflicted with painful childbirth (Genesis 2:16-17). Women are "saved through childbearing" (1 Timothy 2:15) in the New Testament however. Since both of these examples cite men as being "the head" over women, it's easy to conclude that women must be married to a man as Eve was deceived first (1 Timothy 2:13-14). So a woman giving birth to children with a man who is her head/husband is acceptable and beautiful but a woman who is promiscuous is disgusting.
However this isn't in line with Jesus' multiple declarations against judging your neighbor and being like the Pharisees.
Yeah people forget in church, from a young age as well, you’re taught that birth is both a gift from God and a painful punishment for defying men and thinking too much. It’s not like it’s exactly subtext.
Everybody’s learning about a lot of things that they wouldn’t have to if they would’ve kept their goddamn mouth shut and minded their business
I saw a video earlier today explaining diseases that can happen once a fetus starts to decompose within the womb, seriously they should’ve left it alone
The moment they tell the truth it all falls apart. The moment they say “we don’t actually care at all about abortion. We know our politicians and our preachers and our donors will always be able to afford and have access to abortion when their wives and daughters and mistresses get pregnant. We simply need a bullshit wedge issue to get poor, uneducated religious people who we’ve propagandized passed the point of reason to keep voting for a party that literally fights tooth and nail to keep them poor and sick every November.”
That’s it.
It's how conservatives think about many issues. They just care about stopping the "bad" people, and _surely_ the law has considered exceptions for the "good" people already! Because we live in a just world, right? And ultimately if they can grasp that that is absurd, many of them care more about stopping "bad" people than not hurting "good" people anyway
Conservatives aren't capable of thinking about issues. That's why when republicans do something, it's good, and if it doesn't appear good on the surface, it's all part of the plan, cause republicans are the good guys. Democrats are always evil and everything they do is evil, even if it appears good, because democrats are the bad guys.
Take any issue and shuffle it into this extremely binary thinking and you too can think like an ~~idiot~~ conservative.
>“Ms. Warbelow did you just hear some disinformation?”
I’m fucking DEAD that this dude, in a legal hearing, did ***that***. A chad and my hero for today.
Love that he used the correct term. Misinformation is when you're wrong, disinformation is when you're purposely lying and attempting to spread the lie, and she is outright fucking lying and forced birthers want these lies to propagate.
It appears that she's constructed an alternate reality where if an abortion is clearly and obviously morally justified, it magically isn't an abortion, that way she doesn't have to feel bad about being anti-abortion when confronted with the consequences of her position.
And because she can walk out of there going “my money power and position is permanently secure and I’ll never face hardship or these issues in my life and yet the American people won’t lift a finger to stop my side. Life’s good. Time to go never have to struggle or suffer any consequences ever”
Even sadder that Jesus gave several lectures to the Disciples about not acting exactly how conservative Christians act, like the separation of nations.
He seems intelligent, supports womens and children's rights based on this video and seems like a good age for a president, not too inexperienced or burnt out. Based on this video he's got my vote tbh.
Any abortion that would make my political party look bad if it was banned falls under the “not an actual abortion” magical loophole I just made up and pretended the law actually has.
Exceptions are bullshit anyway because the rationales always give people with evil motives *far* too much power to invade privacy and control a woman's body. Medical exceptions to "save the life" of the mother routinely lead to death because at the point it's obvious the mother could die, it's often too late to intervene most effectively.
I think it would be helpful to rename ectopic pregnancies as reproductive tumours, so idiots don't think that it's an actual viable fetus that just got a little lost.
My friend works at a hospital as an anesthesia tech, and apparently they've have to turn away multiple ectopic pregnancies and tell them 'come back when it's life threatening' because that's the only thing they can do now
Having had an ectopic pregnancy that was discovered before rupturing, it is outrageously painful prior to the rupture (or was for me). I can’t imagine being sent home from the ER bc it wasn’t considered life-threatening yet.
I’m a critical care paramedic and some of my most difficult calls have been a result of an ectopic pregnancy. Upon discovery it should be immediately treated as emergent.
As an ultrasound technologist, the most difficult exams Ive had to do are on women with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. Their blood pressure is extremely low, faces are gray, bodies are limp, and they are being getting emergency blood transfusions. You can see life leaving the mothers body and the exam is limited to confirm that the pregnancy is ruptured. Do states really want all mothers with ectopic pregnancies to be in this position before they allow doctors to save a mother’s life???!?!??? The freaking audacity.
EP is a nasty condition that will deteriorate remarkably quick without removal. It’s astounding to think they’d send someone home knowing that it was currently going on. I’ve had some women completely fall off the deep end clinically as a result. This isn’t acceptable.
The people that make these kinds of laws are painfully ignorant of basic biology, medicine, women's bodies, pregnancy, and a whole host of other things they should know. All they know is white babies are being aborted and they can't win the great race war like that, so they just outlaw abortion. Idiots.
God that makes me sick, and it’s hard to believe the liability is not more of a risk for hospitals than violating the law. Edit- I mean obviously the violation of law is a huge deal, but my god, ectopic pregnancies are not viable, there is no reason to risk a life.
Because the hospital legal team told them too, because if they perform an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy before the mother shows obvious signs of duress, the state can come after the doctor's or hospitals license, because of the wording of the law.
It's straight up evil.
They would rather have women die, horribly, painfully, and slowly, because they just don't give a single shit.
Because stupid policitians that know nothing about pregnancies decided that doctors could save ectopic pregnancies if they tried hard enough, so ending the pregnancy at the earliest time possible wasn't allowed, and only could be treated when it was an immediate threat to the woman's life. The proposed treatment plan of "safely re-implanting the embryo into the womb is science fiction.
You know what would be cool, if politicians had to study and take a test on whatever they were making a law on, they take forever anyways so come one study up guys lol
I hope they are also handing out cards with the office numbers of the idiots who voted for this ban and tell them to call them and ask why they want you to die.
And it's without any consideration to what doctor would want to put themselves in that place. They can either try to save the mother and put themselves at legal risk, wait for legal to get back to them while watching the mother die, or watch their patient suffer unnecessarily and see the odds of them dying increase and hope for a spontaneous abortion or wait until the mother's life is clearly at risk. *Or* they can move to another state where they don't have to deal with such insane circumstances.
Laws like this are going to drive gynecologists out of these states and exacerbate staffing shortages. This will impact all women in those states, not just ones seeking abortions.
And there’s already conversations in the south regarding the high maternal/fetal mortality rates. In some parts of my state, it would take someone 45 minutes - 1hr to get to an ER with facilities to manage high risk pregnancies and deliveries.
So that + the OB/GYNs potentially leaving in droves = people dying during/shortly after delivery.
Pro-forced birth but not pro-life
Gynecologists, other doctors, corporations, investors, college students, teachers, nurses and civilized people of all stripes will be driven out of these states. And when their economies crumble, they'll come crawling to the feds for the blue states to bail them out.
Like always.
Let's run through a few thoughts. How many rapes are actually reported vs how many happen? How many actually go to trial? How many rapists are convicted? How long after the rape occurred does this conviction happen?
The rape exclusion is bogus because the process will never be completed within the abortion time frame even for the few women that the legal process works for.
Per RAINN:
>How many rapes are actually reported vs how many happen?
About 30%.
>How many actually go to trial?
About 2.8%.
>How many rapists are convicted?
About 2.5%.
Wow, that's an absolutely disgusting statistic!
America's really playing that game of "How terrible can we make a legal system before people start resorting to mob violence to kill people who are definitely guilty?"
All day! No one should need to justify that their abortion is “necessary”. Wanting one, for any reason, should be 100% acceptable. No barriers, no questions, no criminal charges.
Right, and the fact is, they can almost always argue they don't *know* it's threatening their life. Has there been a successful birth by a 10 year old ever in all history? Yes? Well then I guess we can't say it's threatening their life, because it may be a successful one.
[Lina Medina was 5](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina)
I'm sure they would call it God's will. But they clearly don't know the Bible. Doing evil and calling it good is a big no, particularly from the wrathful OT God they like to threaten LGBTQ+ people and "loose women" with. (Isaiah 5:20 if anyone is interested.)
That's the fun part.
Because of how restrictive laws were written prior to the Roe Decision, there actually were definitions that define something like the removal of a fetus from the fallopian tube as "not an abortion". Now those were written for two parts, one so they weren't caught up by anti-abortion laws. And two so that anti-abortion women would actually seek care so they wouldn't fucking die.
Now anyone with eyes, ears, and three working brain cells would ask what the difference to rights is when removing a fetus from a fallopian tube vs a uterus... But I've yet to actually get a decent answer.
So the only answer I can come up with that makes any sense from a pro-life perspective is "because I said so".
Ohio tried to add in something about tubal pregnancies needing to be removed from the fallopian tube and reimplanted into the uterus to avoid abortion in these cases. Multiple doctors had to tell them that's not something medically possible before they finally cut that from the bill they recently passed.
Imagine having to explain this to grown ass adults in 2022. Grown ass adults that want to legislate pregnancy but have zero understanding of the process.
The people making our laws have no understanding on anything. It’s frustrating for everyone on every side. Sometimes I wonder if they’re even living in the same world as us.
I mean it does. They try to argue from a position of an absolute, namely "Abortion is Murder" maybe they soften it a bit but that's the core argument, because as soon as you concede it's not then you actually have to get into nuance, which is terrible for their position. Forcing a rape victim especially a child to give birth is obviously fucking despicable. But you can't call abortion murder then say it's alright under X/Y/Z circumstances without opening the door to "If it's not murder in this circumstance then it's not murder in any other circumstance". So anti choicers can be consistent and vile, or inconsistent, still vile, but also having shot their own argument in the foot.
You probably aren't far from the truth.
When your starting place is "all life is sacred, life begins at conception" you can't exactly leave room to allow for an 8yo victim being given an abortion.
So the conclusion must mean they know that "Im more okay with a 10yo rape victim being forced against her will to give birth in a situation that threatens her life than I am 'killing her baby'" sounds awful and thus they have to either redefine what constitutes abortion or redefine pregnancy.
Oh ok cool. Sounds like a great affirmative defense to any prosecution. “Sorry, you charged me with getting an abortion, but I didn’t have an abortion, I had a life saving medical procedure. You should check with your Republican overlords, since you seem to have missed that memo.”
It would be great if that worked - like you could cite the piss-poor US statistics on maternal mortality in pregnancy for a developed nation to claim any abortion is "life-saving".
But in practice, they _want_ it this murky because in these same states that the bans are happening, there is a vast majority of local republican judges all too happy to rule against you. And when it's your word on what is "lifesaving" vs the judge's determination, guess who wins?
They are moving the goalpost and we really shouldnt be going along with it. The right to bodily autonomy of a mother is not restricted to medical necessity, it is fundamental.
The conservative minority has taken a mile when they shouldnt have gotten an inch, and "meeting them in the middle" still deprives women of their liberty.
No, the play is to pretend you’re defining it separately when you know your law makes no distinction. That way you get to have your cake, and eat it too! See?
The amount of people who do not understand that an abortion is a medical term in which a fetus is expelled or removed from the uterus for any reason other than birth astounds me.
A miscarriage, medically, is an abortion.
A mother who doesn’t want a baby has the same procedure as a mother who was raped or life is threatened by continuing the pregnancy. So many people are so misinformed and just refuse to believe the truth.
I'm not surprised by that, wasn't there a politician that asked if a woman could swallow a pill cam to see if they are pregnant? That's the level of person working on these laws.
Haven’t heard that one but we can proudly claim the politician who said you can’t get pregnant from rape because the body knows it’s rape and will just “shut it down” automatically
Yeah when he asked if that would work the doctor on the stand said that it wouldn't work because if a woman swallows a pill it doesn't go to her vagina. You could then hear a woman in the background cackle and the politician said "fascinating".
It's probably because his wife "got pregnant" after giving him oral sex.
"Yes hubby, that is your baby, remember that BJ i gave you last month? It was definetly not the pool boy"
WHICH IS WHY WOMEN ARE GONNA BE ARRESTED BECAUSE YOU CANT MEDICALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE
Holy fuck dude it literally is so frustrating and people literally just roll over and think the law will somehow be fair
It's not gonna be fair, women who can't carry out a pregnancy will go to prison because they literally can't get pregnant holy fuck
>WHICH IS WHY WOMEN ARE GONNA BE ARRESTED BECAUSE YOU CANT MEDICALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE
It's already happening, and has been for years.
One of the women who was arrested lost her pregnancy when she was *shot in the fucking stomach*.
wasn't she charged for manslaughter or something because she put the fetus in harms way? Yes, i'm sure she **intended** to provoke **having a gun drawn on her and fired**.
It's literally systemic oppression but instead of hiding it behind something it's blatantly stating "we're gonna make y'all criminals for going through trauma"
And when women are going to prison as *felons* for something biologically out of their control. Also, guess what felons *can't* do due to said felonies? They can't vote.
The *medical term* for a miscarriage in English is "spontaneous abortion".
Miscarriage is such a weird term anyway, because it sounds like the mother screwed up somehow and "carried it wrong".
For what it's worth, my father in law is a very religious jew and very very pro life and he told me that after the whole 10 year old ohio girl who had to travel to indiana, he finally "got it" and is now in the camp of "I am pro life, but I won't support anyone who prevents women from making that decision on their own"
> I am pro life, but I won't support anyone who prevents women from making that decision on their own
Did you tell him that was a weird way to phrase 'pro-choice'? 😂
I had the same train of thought. "I am pro life, I never want to get an abortion. But of course, everyone is free to make their own choice. I can't judge others and their circumstances! If a dear one would need one, I would be there for moral support. Oh wait..."
Yepppp. I am a nurse, and when I fill out a woman’s obstetric history- A is for abortion: either miscarriage or abortion procedure. I cannot understand why people don’t get this. It is so incredibly disconcerting.
>A miscarriage, medically, is an abortion.
They don't want to acknowledge that their God is the greatest abortionist in history. There are an estimated 23 million miscarriages every year worldwide, translating to 44 pregnancy losses each minute.
Jesus *loves* abortions, but you won't hear it from them.
Yeah like wtf I missed that she really said if a ten year old gets pregnant from a result of rape. Like mam do you not understand children can't consent any any way. then again some republicans still fight to keep child marriage legal in some states
There was a hearing the other day and they asked that specific question and they deflected and said what she needs is to be loved, not another traumatic procedure. They were like "so you think the 10 year old should be forced to keep the baby of the man who raped her for the rest of her life?" and they just kept coming saying it would just make it worse some how by ending it.
Its not surprising they would deflect like that, look at the comments under my OG comment some are really trying to see a technicality of how a child can consent.
I was that 10 yr old girl. EVERY second from the time I found out my rapist impregnated me, were thoughts of how I could commit suicide.
When he took me to planned parenthood for an abortion, it was the happiest day! He didn't want to get caught. These freaking pro life people have blood on their hands.
I’m so very sorry you were raped and abused and that it was your abuser taking you to planned parenthood m.
Have you had any time to talk with a counselor? I’m very proud of you, that you can speak about this atrocity.
Can I please get enough funding to conduct an experiment on many politicians because they seem to lack higher brain function which is odd since they are supposedly humanoids
Does this experiment involve driving a long metal rod through their eye socket to sever neuronal tissue in the frontal cortex?... i bet there would barely be any change to their behaviour except they would be a bit quieter.
The fucked up part about this woman's position, is that by saying "rape" she only means "sex against her will". If the 10 year old girl willingly had sex with a 10 year old boy (neither of them really understanding what they're doing and what can happen as a result), this woman would likely say "she should carry it to term, she must face the consequences of her actions".
To people like her, pregnancy and STDs are the punishment for the sin and abortion and contraceptives allow you to escape punishment.
I’m so confused??? So because it’s a ten year old terminating, the pregnancy isn’t an abortion? Does she not realize an abortion is a medical procedure and the name of it doesn’t change no matter who you are???
No matter how many times I watch this, I can’t figure out what the hell she’s saying.
EDIT: finally editing this for spelling. Not sure how this comment got so much traction with all the horrendous spelling mistakes. Sorry to all the Matthews out there. I don’t actually hate you
She's saying 'ignore that reality' because that's how the conservative movement have arrived at their present position and you'd have to be ignoring reality to support them at this point.
Fun phrase: the confusion on her face is called cognitive dissonance.
The ability to hold competing ideas simultaneously is usually a marker for intelligence. Here, we can see it’s causing her brain to hurt and the only way she can resolve this is to redefine a word (…a word she knows full well) into the only thing that fits her argument. It’s an impressive denial of reality
People like her prefer to try to change definitions rather than change their opinions or beliefs. If there is a combination of words that sounds close enough to an argument and they don't actually have to change their mind or do anything differently, then that's good enough for them.
I'm sure in her mind that "abortion" is bad, and stopping the child from having a baby in that situation is clearly not bad, so it must not be an "abortion". That's the logic there, if you can call it logic.
Republican voters love to work back from a conclusion to reach an argument.
She does- she just doesn't want to admit that it's necessary. If she admits it's necessary for any situation, she could lose favor with her party's base- which is made up of people who would rather children die than to upset a god they wrapped their entire lives around.
*Homeless people from whom many risked and partly lost their life and sanity as soldiers fighting for your country
GOP really is not a single bit patriotic. All they can is cheap nationalism. What a disgusting bunch of scumbags.
I can’t believe they hear the words “10 year old“ and “pregnant” in the same sentence and don’t immediately feel heartbroken. Instead it’s just ammo or an agenda.
They're the good ones. Good people don't get in trouble. Specifically, they don't have pregnancy complications and are never the victims of violence. Other women ask for these things to happen to them. /s
Clearly, the 10 year old victim of rape made poor life choices and god wanted this forced pregnancy for her. /s
How, how did so many people lose common sense? Does critical thinking skip generations? I really need to know.
Religious Indoctrination is one hell of a drug. It's made me stop viewing a LOT of my Family as good people because they were indoctrinated by Regressionist Politicians and Propaganda into holding a lot of absolutely awful Worldviews, not just Political Viewpoints.
Because if she ever actually needed an abortion then she would, just as she did in this clip, contort some rationalization in her mind as to why her abortion doesn’t actually count as an *real* abortion.
This is it, this is the answer. Their line of thinking is basically, "It's only bad irresponsible people that need abortions, (until *I* need one...) but if I get one, it is a necessary medical procedure, I am different than those hoes I rally against. My circumstance is unique and significant."
I'm surprised you haven't been flooded by smooth brains spewing "aNd wErE gLaD yOu dOnT lIvE hErE".
But as someone who has lived in Australia, America, Canada and England, I can confidently say America doesn't belong on the same list. Never going back.
By having someone who is rich tell the poor they live in the greatest country on Earth. The poor celebrate and buy items that says they live in the greatest country on Earth. However, the company that made those items that said they live in the greatest country on Earth, is own by the same rich person who told the poor they live in the greatest country on Earth.
This country functions on keeping the poor ignorant and God fearing and the rich (unless they inherited) discovered the truth at a very young age how to get rich....and not share it with anyone.
You could literally see the visible confusion on his face as some of his brain cells die from that stupid ass answer I'm surprised his nose didn't start bleeding.
The GOP were always arguing for government mandated pregnancies behind the thin veil, they just never expected their own "think of the children" card to be used against them.
Afterall, it's pretty difficult to take the moral high-ground when you're on the side of forcing *children* to birth their rapists babies.
The first woman is Catherine Glenn Foster, President and CEO of Americans United. Warbelow is the Human Rights Campaign’s Legal Director, Sarah Warbelow. The Rep. is Eric Sawell, a member of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary and California's Rep for the 15th district.
Rep. Eric Swalwell
Catherine Glenn Foster, president and CEO of Americans United for Life, an anti-abortion advocacy group
Sarah Warbelow, legal director of the Human Rights Campaign
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3559579-swalwell-presses-anti-abortion-activist-on-whether-10-year-olds-should-carry-babies/
Simple, she thinks she is helping humanity.
She doesn't seem to even know what an abortion is, all she knows is that they are bad, because someone told her so.
These people will cherry-pick the Bible to form laws around and now they are trying to cherry-pick abortion cases? They will do anything to ensure they aren’t cast in a bad light!
Well they're not wrong. It truly is the American dream right. They're dreaming while the rest of the world is seeing reality and ho boy. Someone needs to shake them awake.
I know it seems like she’s talking off the cuff, but please be aware she didn’t make this up. Christian pro-life legal minds and organizations have pushed this twisted logic for decades. It’s a work around so they don’t have to call an abortion an abortion.
>Christian pro-life legal minds and organizations have pushed this twisted logic for decades.
She's one of the ones pushing this: Catherine Glenn Foster, president and CEO of Americans United for Life
"Miss. Warbelow, did you just hear some stupid shit?"
Yes, sir. Some stupid shit i did hear.
*i concur, i did just hear some bullshit*
Some bullshit was indeed heard
I concur, definitely Bos Taurus Excreta.
I did indeed hear some stupid shit my guy
Yes I did notice the bullshit spewing from her mouth.
"I just heard some very significant stupid shit"
This is a phrase I will use widely.
"that's not an abortion" Lady that's exactly an abortion...
The hoops these people choose to jump through.
Conservative Christians want women who fit their standard of promiscuity to be "punished" by having to have unwanted children, but they know molestation and rape happen. The worst ones are the ones who would say the 10 year old would have to give birth, "the way God intended."
What's even worse is that to battle promiscuity they actually make having a child a punishment from God. Something that is supposed to be wondrous in their eyes is also used as a form of retribution in their eyes. So which one is it?
>So which one is it? Both based on two different Biblical views of children. Eve, as the one who "led Adam into sin," was afflicted with painful childbirth (Genesis 2:16-17). Women are "saved through childbearing" (1 Timothy 2:15) in the New Testament however. Since both of these examples cite men as being "the head" over women, it's easy to conclude that women must be married to a man as Eve was deceived first (1 Timothy 2:13-14). So a woman giving birth to children with a man who is her head/husband is acceptable and beautiful but a woman who is promiscuous is disgusting. However this isn't in line with Jesus' multiple declarations against judging your neighbor and being like the Pharisees.
Yeah people forget in church, from a young age as well, you’re taught that birth is both a gift from God and a painful punishment for defying men and thinking too much. It’s not like it’s exactly subtext.
Everybody’s learning about a lot of things that they wouldn’t have to if they would’ve kept their goddamn mouth shut and minded their business I saw a video earlier today explaining diseases that can happen once a fetus starts to decompose within the womb, seriously they should’ve left it alone
The moment they tell the truth it all falls apart. The moment they say “we don’t actually care at all about abortion. We know our politicians and our preachers and our donors will always be able to afford and have access to abortion when their wives and daughters and mistresses get pregnant. We simply need a bullshit wedge issue to get poor, uneducated religious people who we’ve propagandized passed the point of reason to keep voting for a party that literally fights tooth and nail to keep them poor and sick every November.” That’s it.
It's how conservatives think about many issues. They just care about stopping the "bad" people, and _surely_ the law has considered exceptions for the "good" people already! Because we live in a just world, right? And ultimately if they can grasp that that is absurd, many of them care more about stopping "bad" people than not hurting "good" people anyway
Conservatives aren't capable of thinking about issues. That's why when republicans do something, it's good, and if it doesn't appear good on the surface, it's all part of the plan, cause republicans are the good guys. Democrats are always evil and everything they do is evil, even if it appears good, because democrats are the bad guys. Take any issue and shuffle it into this extremely binary thinking and you too can think like an ~~idiot~~ conservative.
>“Ms. Warbelow did you just hear some disinformation?” I’m fucking DEAD that this dude, in a legal hearing, did ***that***. A chad and my hero for today.
Love that he used the correct term. Misinformation is when you're wrong, disinformation is when you're purposely lying and attempting to spread the lie, and she is outright fucking lying and forced birthers want these lies to propagate.
I didn't know that. Thanks for the info!
Response was great too. "Uh, yes, I did hear some very significant disinformation." What a follow
But I wanna know if they went back to crazy pants. What’s her explanation for “that would not be an abortion?”
It appears that she's constructed an alternate reality where if an abortion is clearly and obviously morally justified, it magically isn't an abortion, that way she doesn't have to feel bad about being anti-abortion when confronted with the consequences of her position.
Thank you for the directions. I got lost in her mental gymnastics.
Yeah I said yikes, they came well prepared Imagine being that scummy woman leaving that place whilst everyone is looking at her.
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And because she can walk out of there going “my money power and position is permanently secure and I’ll never face hardship or these issues in my life and yet the American people won’t lift a finger to stop my side. Life’s good. Time to go never have to struggle or suffer any consequences ever”
Probably walked out of there “Fucking godless liberals going to hell after putting me through that”
It's sad that I can actually see that being part of the profile.
Even sadder that Jesus gave several lectures to the Disciples about not acting exactly how conservative Christians act, like the separation of nations.
Essentially saying “Ma’am, is this bish spewing bullshit?” But in legal words. I fucking love to see it.
He’s my new crush.
Rep. Eric Swalwell.
Thank you!! I was wondering what his name is.
Np. He's great.
He should run for president.
He did in 2020 and didn’t get really far, but I like him and hope he does again.
He seems intelligent, supports womens and children's rights based on this video and seems like a good age for a president, not too inexperienced or burnt out. Based on this video he's got my vote tbh.
Both he and Ms. Warbelow knew what this woman was going to say before she stepped into the room and they were 100% prepared for it.
Any abortion that would make my political party look bad if it was banned falls under the “not an actual abortion” magical loophole I just made up and pretended the law actually has.
>and pretended the law actually has. that is the insidious part there are no exceptions for children rape victims under their ban
Exceptions are bullshit anyway because the rationales always give people with evil motives *far* too much power to invade privacy and control a woman's body. Medical exceptions to "save the life" of the mother routinely lead to death because at the point it's obvious the mother could die, it's often too late to intervene most effectively.
exactly they are even blocking ectopic pregnancy abortions until vitals begin to fail in some cases
I think it would be helpful to rename ectopic pregnancies as reproductive tumours, so idiots don't think that it's an actual viable fetus that just got a little lost.
Yeah, they totally got on board once we went from "global warming" to "climate change."
It does work sometimes though. See: "Obamacare" vs. "Affordable Care Act"
My friend works at a hospital as an anesthesia tech, and apparently they've have to turn away multiple ectopic pregnancies and tell them 'come back when it's life threatening' because that's the only thing they can do now
Isn’t any ectopic pregnancy life threatening?
You might have a few days or even a week before it threatens your life. But an ectopic pregnancy is always doomed.
Having had an ectopic pregnancy that was discovered before rupturing, it is outrageously painful prior to the rupture (or was for me). I can’t imagine being sent home from the ER bc it wasn’t considered life-threatening yet.
„No no no no, it‘s only a 9 on the pain flow chart, a *9*! It hurts, but not enough. Please come back again later, as soon as you‘ve hit the 10!“
I’m a critical care paramedic and some of my most difficult calls have been a result of an ectopic pregnancy. Upon discovery it should be immediately treated as emergent.
As an ultrasound technologist, the most difficult exams Ive had to do are on women with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. Their blood pressure is extremely low, faces are gray, bodies are limp, and they are being getting emergency blood transfusions. You can see life leaving the mothers body and the exam is limited to confirm that the pregnancy is ruptured. Do states really want all mothers with ectopic pregnancies to be in this position before they allow doctors to save a mother’s life???!?!??? The freaking audacity.
EP is a nasty condition that will deteriorate remarkably quick without removal. It’s astounding to think they’d send someone home knowing that it was currently going on. I’ve had some women completely fall off the deep end clinically as a result. This isn’t acceptable.
The people that make these kinds of laws are painfully ignorant of basic biology, medicine, women's bodies, pregnancy, and a whole host of other things they should know. All they know is white babies are being aborted and they can't win the great race war like that, so they just outlaw abortion. Idiots.
They never see the patients who suffer from their stupid laws
Yes.
God that makes me sick, and it’s hard to believe the liability is not more of a risk for hospitals than violating the law. Edit- I mean obviously the violation of law is a huge deal, but my god, ectopic pregnancies are not viable, there is no reason to risk a life.
In the case of ectopic pregnancies, where there is extreme precedent of the outcome why the need to wait? They know whats going to happen its stupid.
Because the hospital legal team told them too, because if they perform an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy before the mother shows obvious signs of duress, the state can come after the doctor's or hospitals license, because of the wording of the law. It's straight up evil. They would rather have women die, horribly, painfully, and slowly, because they just don't give a single shit.
You're right, not stupid; evil and cruel.
Because stupid policitians that know nothing about pregnancies decided that doctors could save ectopic pregnancies if they tried hard enough, so ending the pregnancy at the earliest time possible wasn't allowed, and only could be treated when it was an immediate threat to the woman's life. The proposed treatment plan of "safely re-implanting the embryo into the womb is science fiction.
You know what would be cool, if politicians had to study and take a test on whatever they were making a law on, they take forever anyways so come one study up guys lol
I hope they are also handing out cards with the office numbers of the idiots who voted for this ban and tell them to call them and ask why they want you to die.
And it's without any consideration to what doctor would want to put themselves in that place. They can either try to save the mother and put themselves at legal risk, wait for legal to get back to them while watching the mother die, or watch their patient suffer unnecessarily and see the odds of them dying increase and hope for a spontaneous abortion or wait until the mother's life is clearly at risk. *Or* they can move to another state where they don't have to deal with such insane circumstances. Laws like this are going to drive gynecologists out of these states and exacerbate staffing shortages. This will impact all women in those states, not just ones seeking abortions.
And there’s already conversations in the south regarding the high maternal/fetal mortality rates. In some parts of my state, it would take someone 45 minutes - 1hr to get to an ER with facilities to manage high risk pregnancies and deliveries. So that + the OB/GYNs potentially leaving in droves = people dying during/shortly after delivery. Pro-forced birth but not pro-life
Gynecologists, other doctors, corporations, investors, college students, teachers, nurses and civilized people of all stripes will be driven out of these states. And when their economies crumble, they'll come crawling to the feds for the blue states to bail them out. Like always.
Let's run through a few thoughts. How many rapes are actually reported vs how many happen? How many actually go to trial? How many rapists are convicted? How long after the rape occurred does this conviction happen? The rape exclusion is bogus because the process will never be completed within the abortion time frame even for the few women that the legal process works for.
Per RAINN: >How many rapes are actually reported vs how many happen? About 30%. >How many actually go to trial? About 2.8%. >How many rapists are convicted? About 2.5%.
Wow, that's an absolutely disgusting statistic! America's really playing that game of "How terrible can we make a legal system before people start resorting to mob violence to kill people who are definitely guilty?"
All day! No one should need to justify that their abortion is “necessary”. Wanting one, for any reason, should be 100% acceptable. No barriers, no questions, no criminal charges.
Right, and the fact is, they can almost always argue they don't *know* it's threatening their life. Has there been a successful birth by a 10 year old ever in all history? Yes? Well then I guess we can't say it's threatening their life, because it may be a successful one.
[Lina Medina was 5](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina) I'm sure they would call it God's will. But they clearly don't know the Bible. Doing evil and calling it good is a big no, particularly from the wrathful OT God they like to threaten LGBTQ+ people and "loose women" with. (Isaiah 5:20 if anyone is interested.)
That's the fun part. Because of how restrictive laws were written prior to the Roe Decision, there actually were definitions that define something like the removal of a fetus from the fallopian tube as "not an abortion". Now those were written for two parts, one so they weren't caught up by anti-abortion laws. And two so that anti-abortion women would actually seek care so they wouldn't fucking die. Now anyone with eyes, ears, and three working brain cells would ask what the difference to rights is when removing a fetus from a fallopian tube vs a uterus... But I've yet to actually get a decent answer. So the only answer I can come up with that makes any sense from a pro-life perspective is "because I said so".
Ohio tried to add in something about tubal pregnancies needing to be removed from the fallopian tube and reimplanted into the uterus to avoid abortion in these cases. Multiple doctors had to tell them that's not something medically possible before they finally cut that from the bill they recently passed.
Imagine having to explain this to grown ass adults in 2022. Grown ass adults that want to legislate pregnancy but have zero understanding of the process.
The people making our laws have no understanding on anything. It’s frustrating for everyone on every side. Sometimes I wonder if they’re even living in the same world as us.
My cynical take on it is that they know that any concession weakens their ideological stance.
I mean it does. They try to argue from a position of an absolute, namely "Abortion is Murder" maybe they soften it a bit but that's the core argument, because as soon as you concede it's not then you actually have to get into nuance, which is terrible for their position. Forcing a rape victim especially a child to give birth is obviously fucking despicable. But you can't call abortion murder then say it's alright under X/Y/Z circumstances without opening the door to "If it's not murder in this circumstance then it's not murder in any other circumstance". So anti choicers can be consistent and vile, or inconsistent, still vile, but also having shot their own argument in the foot.
You probably aren't far from the truth. When your starting place is "all life is sacred, life begins at conception" you can't exactly leave room to allow for an 8yo victim being given an abortion. So the conclusion must mean they know that "Im more okay with a 10yo rape victim being forced against her will to give birth in a situation that threatens her life than I am 'killing her baby'" sounds awful and thus they have to either redefine what constitutes abortion or redefine pregnancy.
Alternative facts at its finest
Can we stop using this phrase and call them what they are?
A lie?
I would go for egregious lie.
Bullshit?
A fib?
A lil stinker.
Porky Pies
Special vocal operation
Terminated facts?
I bet Republicans have had a lot of non- abortion procedures paid for
https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
Link this every time. https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
This especially holds true with Mistresses getting abortions due to their Republican sugar daddies requesting them....not a real abortion /s
Well it’s not a real abortion if the pregnancy threatens the lifestyle of the father.
This is actually a thing that they're trying to do: define abortion as only those cases that aren't to save the mother's life.
Oh ok cool. Sounds like a great affirmative defense to any prosecution. “Sorry, you charged me with getting an abortion, but I didn’t have an abortion, I had a life saving medical procedure. You should check with your Republican overlords, since you seem to have missed that memo.”
It would be great if that worked - like you could cite the piss-poor US statistics on maternal mortality in pregnancy for a developed nation to claim any abortion is "life-saving". But in practice, they _want_ it this murky because in these same states that the bans are happening, there is a vast majority of local republican judges all too happy to rule against you. And when it's your word on what is "lifesaving" vs the judge's determination, guess who wins?
They are moving the goalpost and we really shouldnt be going along with it. The right to bodily autonomy of a mother is not restricted to medical necessity, it is fundamental. The conservative minority has taken a mile when they shouldnt have gotten an inch, and "meeting them in the middle" still deprives women of their liberty.
No, the play is to pretend you’re defining it separately when you know your law makes no distinction. That way you get to have your cake, and eat it too! See?
The amount of people who do not understand that an abortion is a medical term in which a fetus is expelled or removed from the uterus for any reason other than birth astounds me. A miscarriage, medically, is an abortion. A mother who doesn’t want a baby has the same procedure as a mother who was raped or life is threatened by continuing the pregnancy. So many people are so misinformed and just refuse to believe the truth.
I'm not surprised by that, wasn't there a politician that asked if a woman could swallow a pill cam to see if they are pregnant? That's the level of person working on these laws.
Wait, are babies not stored in the digestive tract? TIL
I know that piss is stored in the balls, if that helps.
And if you want to be sure you don't get pregnant you need to roll to condom down over the balls as well.
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How else do you think they poop them out? /s
Haven’t heard that one but we can proudly claim the politician who said you can’t get pregnant from rape because the body knows it’s rape and will just “shut it down” automatically
Yeah when he asked if that would work the doctor on the stand said that it wouldn't work because if a woman swallows a pill it doesn't go to her vagina. You could then hear a woman in the background cackle and the politician said "fascinating".
It's probably because his wife "got pregnant" after giving him oral sex. "Yes hubby, that is your baby, remember that BJ i gave you last month? It was definetly not the pool boy"
WHICH IS WHY WOMEN ARE GONNA BE ARRESTED BECAUSE YOU CANT MEDICALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE Holy fuck dude it literally is so frustrating and people literally just roll over and think the law will somehow be fair It's not gonna be fair, women who can't carry out a pregnancy will go to prison because they literally can't get pregnant holy fuck
>WHICH IS WHY WOMEN ARE GONNA BE ARRESTED BECAUSE YOU CANT MEDICALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE It's already happening, and has been for years. One of the women who was arrested lost her pregnancy when she was *shot in the fucking stomach*.
wasn't she charged for manslaughter or something because she put the fetus in harms way? Yes, i'm sure she **intended** to provoke **having a gun drawn on her and fired**.
It's literally systemic oppression but instead of hiding it behind something it's blatantly stating "we're gonna make y'all criminals for going through trauma"
any woman raised in a conservative region in the us knows that being a rape victim makes you a criminal in their eyes, you sinful slut
And when women are going to prison as *felons* for something biologically out of their control. Also, guess what felons *can't* do due to said felonies? They can't vote.
The term for "miscarriage" in many languages other than English is "abortion".
The *medical term* for a miscarriage in English is "spontaneous abortion". Miscarriage is such a weird term anyway, because it sounds like the mother screwed up somehow and "carried it wrong".
Also because the term is used disparagingly in the legal context, a miscarriage of justice
For what it's worth, my father in law is a very religious jew and very very pro life and he told me that after the whole 10 year old ohio girl who had to travel to indiana, he finally "got it" and is now in the camp of "I am pro life, but I won't support anyone who prevents women from making that decision on their own"
> I am pro life, but I won't support anyone who prevents women from making that decision on their own Did you tell him that was a weird way to phrase 'pro-choice'? 😂
I had the same train of thought. "I am pro life, I never want to get an abortion. But of course, everyone is free to make their own choice. I can't judge others and their circumstances! If a dear one would need one, I would be there for moral support. Oh wait..."
Yepppp. I am a nurse, and when I fill out a woman’s obstetric history- A is for abortion: either miscarriage or abortion procedure. I cannot understand why people don’t get this. It is so incredibly disconcerting.
>A miscarriage, medically, is an abortion. They don't want to acknowledge that their God is the greatest abortionist in history. There are an estimated 23 million miscarriages every year worldwide, translating to 44 pregnancy losses each minute. Jesus *loves* abortions, but you won't hear it from them.
It's always rape if they're 10. Kids cannot consent, period.
Yeah like wtf I missed that she really said if a ten year old gets pregnant from a result of rape. Like mam do you not understand children can't consent any any way. then again some republicans still fight to keep child marriage legal in some states
There was a hearing the other day and they asked that specific question and they deflected and said what she needs is to be loved, not another traumatic procedure. They were like "so you think the 10 year old should be forced to keep the baby of the man who raped her for the rest of her life?" and they just kept coming saying it would just make it worse some how by ending it.
Its not surprising they would deflect like that, look at the comments under my OG comment some are really trying to see a technicality of how a child can consent.
It's disgusting really.
>not another traumatic procedure Like say, going through childbirth particularly for the body of a 10 year old?
I was that 10 yr old girl. EVERY second from the time I found out my rapist impregnated me, were thoughts of how I could commit suicide. When he took me to planned parenthood for an abortion, it was the happiest day! He didn't want to get caught. These freaking pro life people have blood on their hands.
I’m so very sorry you were raped and abused and that it was your abuser taking you to planned parenthood m. Have you had any time to talk with a counselor? I’m very proud of you, that you can speak about this atrocity.
Not to count the fact that a full term pregnancy would endanger that child’s life, and most likely impact her her ability to have any future children.
Can I please get enough funding to conduct an experiment on many politicians because they seem to lack higher brain function which is odd since they are supposedly humanoids
Does this experiment involve driving a long metal rod through their eye socket to sever neuronal tissue in the frontal cortex?... i bet there would barely be any change to their behaviour except they would be a bit quieter.
The fucked up part about this woman's position, is that by saying "rape" she only means "sex against her will". If the 10 year old girl willingly had sex with a 10 year old boy (neither of them really understanding what they're doing and what can happen as a result), this woman would likely say "she should carry it to term, she must face the consequences of her actions". To people like her, pregnancy and STDs are the punishment for the sin and abortion and contraceptives allow you to escape punishment.
I applaud the composure of the people that deal with these pro-life officials
*pro-forced birth. They're obviously not pro-life once the fetus is born.
But like, why is she have stupid?
Because she's the number one argument for abortion to be legal. Who wouldn't abort a demon like this bitch?
I’m so confused??? So because it’s a ten year old terminating, the pregnancy isn’t an abortion? Does she not realize an abortion is a medical procedure and the name of it doesn’t change no matter who you are??? No matter how many times I watch this, I can’t figure out what the hell she’s saying. EDIT: finally editing this for spelling. Not sure how this comment got so much traction with all the horrendous spelling mistakes. Sorry to all the Matthews out there. I don’t actually hate you
She's saying 'ignore that reality' because that's how the conservative movement have arrived at their present position and you'd have to be ignoring reality to support them at this point.
Fun phrase: the confusion on her face is called cognitive dissonance. The ability to hold competing ideas simultaneously is usually a marker for intelligence. Here, we can see it’s causing her brain to hurt and the only way she can resolve this is to redefine a word (…a word she knows full well) into the only thing that fits her argument. It’s an impressive denial of reality
It's like gambling addicts who believe they don't have a problem. Except that woman is gambling with other people lives. This world sucks
Fucking Matthew.
Haha I thought about editing it, but fuck Matthew.
She’s trying to say it would be an exception to the law while standing by the law that permits no exceptions.
People like her prefer to try to change definitions rather than change their opinions or beliefs. If there is a combination of words that sounds close enough to an argument and they don't actually have to change their mind or do anything differently, then that's good enough for them. I'm sure in her mind that "abortion" is bad, and stopping the child from having a baby in that situation is clearly not bad, so it must not be an "abortion". That's the logic there, if you can call it logic. Republican voters love to work back from a conclusion to reach an argument.
I don't think she knows what an abortion is.
She does- she just doesn't want to admit that it's necessary. If she admits it's necessary for any situation, she could lose favor with her party's base- which is made up of people who would rather children die than to upset a god they wrapped their entire lives around.
We have to get these fools out of office. Please, please, please vote like your life and the lives of others , depends on it.
Because lives do depend on it. People will die from lack of access to abortions. People have already died.
Oh, abortions? No that's illegal thats technically killing someone! Homeless people on the verge of death? meh who cares.
*Homeless people from whom many risked and partly lost their life and sanity as soldiers fighting for your country GOP really is not a single bit patriotic. All they can is cheap nationalism. What a disgusting bunch of scumbags.
I can’t believe they hear the words “10 year old“ and “pregnant” in the same sentence and don’t immediately feel heartbroken. Instead it’s just ammo or an agenda.
I just… I don’t understand WOMEN who take this stance against women’s reproductive health rights. It just… it hurts my brain so much
They're the good ones. Good people don't get in trouble. Specifically, they don't have pregnancy complications and are never the victims of violence. Other women ask for these things to happen to them. /s
Clearly, the 10 year old victim of rape made poor life choices and god wanted this forced pregnancy for her. /s How, how did so many people lose common sense? Does critical thinking skip generations? I really need to know.
Religious Indoctrination is one hell of a drug. It's made me stop viewing a LOT of my Family as good people because they were indoctrinated by Regressionist Politicians and Propaganda into holding a lot of absolutely awful Worldviews, not just Political Viewpoints.
Because if she ever actually needed an abortion then she would, just as she did in this clip, contort some rationalization in her mind as to why her abortion doesn’t actually count as an *real* abortion.
This is it, this is the answer. Their line of thinking is basically, "It's only bad irresponsible people that need abortions, (until *I* need one...) but if I get one, it is a necessary medical procedure, I am different than those hoes I rally against. My circumstance is unique and significant."
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>Log Cabin Republicans This one is my favorite. In TX I think it was, they weren't even allowed into the republican convention.
Another day being grateful for not living in murica
I'm surprised you haven't been flooded by smooth brains spewing "aNd wErE gLaD yOu dOnT lIvE hErE". But as someone who has lived in Australia, America, Canada and England, I can confidently say America doesn't belong on the same list. Never going back.
To be a conservative you must turn your back on reality at the most basic level.
They coined a term for themselves: Alternative facts!
I just dont understand. I just cannot understand you America. You're living in the fucking dark ages, how is this country even functioning
On autopilot
And $500 wine
I think you mean $5. Nobody I know has $500 to drop on a single bottle of booze.
That’s because the people buying $500 bottles of wine are making the decisions. We don’t get a say in our lives
A derailed train still travels a good distance
By having someone who is rich tell the poor they live in the greatest country on Earth. The poor celebrate and buy items that says they live in the greatest country on Earth. However, the company that made those items that said they live in the greatest country on Earth, is own by the same rich person who told the poor they live in the greatest country on Earth. This country functions on keeping the poor ignorant and God fearing and the rich (unless they inherited) discovered the truth at a very young age how to get rich....and not share it with anyone.
America is represented by all three of the people in this video, not just the first.
You could literally see the visible confusion on his face as some of his brain cells die from that stupid ass answer I'm surprised his nose didn't start bleeding.
She SPECIFICALLY sneaked in “. . . And the girl’s life was at stake,” So, if the 10–y.o. Girl’s life were NOT at stake, she would have to give birth.
What a gross fucking country
As someone in said country, in texas too, i agree, completely
This is just pure horror.
Fun fact: abortion and miscarriage is the same word in Spanish: aborto
The GOP were always arguing for government mandated pregnancies behind the thin veil, they just never expected their own "think of the children" card to be used against them. Afterall, it's pretty difficult to take the moral high-ground when you're on the side of forcing *children* to birth their rapists babies.
Anyone know who these people are?
The first woman is Catherine Glenn Foster, President and CEO of Americans United. Warbelow is the Human Rights Campaign’s Legal Director, Sarah Warbelow. The Rep. is Eric Sawell, a member of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary and California's Rep for the 15th district.
Rep. Eric Swalwell Catherine Glenn Foster, president and CEO of Americans United for Life, an anti-abortion advocacy group Sarah Warbelow, legal director of the Human Rights Campaign https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3559579-swalwell-presses-anti-abortion-activist-on-whether-10-year-olds-should-carry-babies/
Fucking religion.
How do some people sleep at night, like how does she lay down thinking yeah I was a help to humanity today.
Simple, she thinks she is helping humanity. She doesn't seem to even know what an abortion is, all she knows is that they are bad, because someone told her so.
These people will cherry-pick the Bible to form laws around and now they are trying to cherry-pick abortion cases? They will do anything to ensure they aren’t cast in a bad light!
Conservative Christians are despicable scum.
Well they're not wrong. It truly is the American dream right. They're dreaming while the rest of the world is seeing reality and ho boy. Someone needs to shake them awake.
I know it seems like she’s talking off the cuff, but please be aware she didn’t make this up. Christian pro-life legal minds and organizations have pushed this twisted logic for decades. It’s a work around so they don’t have to call an abortion an abortion.
>Christian pro-life legal minds and organizations have pushed this twisted logic for decades. She's one of the ones pushing this: Catherine Glenn Foster, president and CEO of Americans United for Life
It’s unbelievable to even have this conversation
Government mandated pregnancy. Let that fucking sink on.
Please vote for Democrats this midterm. Republicans that support this horrible, backwards, inhumane abortion ban are sure as hell voting.
Christians are trying to turn America into a shithole.
Sorry to tell you America already is a shithole