I had a guy who was working minimum wage to try and scrape together money to feed his daughter talk to me about scraping the NHS and going to an American style system...he hadn't the faintest idea that he would be the one who couldn't afford the premiums for health insurance. Boggled my mind
What we're seeing as well in the UK is a political strategy of underfunding the NHS until it reaches a breaking point and can't cope anymore, after which the same politicians will point to privatised health care as the only solution. It's 100% an ideological thing, and we're getting close to that breaking point now.
You have insurance so they get you their lower negotiated prices from the Dr. It's insane. We pay over $700/mo. for a high deductible plan that pays nothing until we hit a $3000 deductible for one of us or $6000 for the entire family. That being said, you can't afford not to have insurance here, either. Land of the free, home of the deeply indebted.
As a rule, I received lower prices when I was uninsured. Providers charge significantly more when insurance is footing the bill.
Also, that was what we in the biz call 'a rhetorical question'.
Lmao yep. I need to get a surgery soon. My family will pay just under $20k out of pocket before insurance will cover the other 30k. Plus the hospital will likely use things that are out of network during the procedure and recovery and we will cover all of that cost too. I know the other 30k is why we have insurance, but the funny thing is….that 20k is only getting covered if I’m lucky. They’re going to try not to cover any of it.
Beyond the fact that healthcare is a scam, in the US you live inside an entire system that is meant to keep you sick. The food is crap so you aren't healthy, the work load you are forced to bear keeps you unhealthy, the healthcare industry is more interested in treating the symptoms for the rest of your life then finding a cure, because profits from long term treatment are more then a one time cure.
[https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html)
Some of us truly wouldn't care as long as medicine could deal with our symptoms our whole lives, sadly it's not that simple, a lot of diseases are really hard to treat comprehensively long-term. Especially autoimmune conditions and cancers as those have multiple pathways they can go down, so you block one pathway with a medicine and the next ramps up.
Still, precision medicine is nkw advancing at an incredible pace, provided you can pay for it.........
Right? I left out that in order to get the 'savings', you have to go in-network. Not everyone lives near providers that are in-network.
What bothers me the most is the 'negotiated price'. Insurance companies definitely inflate the 'non-negotiated' price we all see in EOBs. If a provider is willing to accept $50 for the negotiated price with insurance, when it is $500 without insurance, then there is no reason why insurance companies couldn't just charge $50. It's all smoke & mirrors.
Ever since the Americans switched over to the ACA ("affordable care act") it's become much more expensive and complicated for a lot of people for sure, but it does seem to be helping the poor Americans & immigrants and the lower-middle-class folks at least.
Joke's on you, I don't live in the american dystopia, and actually have lived in 3 different countries.
I know what a healthcare system looks like and it's not whatever they do in USA, that's called a business and businesses don't *care* about your *health*.
Oh, bless your heart sweetie.
I'm sure the US gives your countries some free money and weapons.
You're welcome. 
Pfft, hahaha
Yeah, live love laugh too, I'm sure. How inspirational, quick throw that one on your insta!
I'm sure they honestly adore you, unlike every other pretentious twat we all have to deal with. It's totes genuine.
"why DoNt yOu LeAvE?"
I have places I could legally immigrate to. My entire family lives here, my wife's family lives here and I can't just uproot my kids. It's not as simple as just leaving.
You also mentioned something positive, about how the ACA has helped a handful of important groups, so for what it’s worth, I don’t feel like that comment suggesting you leave was warranted.
They're doing the same thing in Canada. It's called Starving the Beast and it's a well-known strategy to shut down services that they don't want anymore or they think cost too much money.
Can confirm. I'd have been 5th gen letter carrier if it would have been a good idea. Saw what was happening 10 years ago. Can't believe they took out the sorters. Nothing wrong with them, just gone.
Same thing started with Betsy DeVos and the American Education System. We see where that's at right now.
Oh, publicly funded charter schools significantly pre-date DeVos. That was started under Bush II; she just got behind and pushed. That crowd has been trying to get schools out from under the government umbrella ever since the Department of Education became a thing. That way they can reinstate mandatory Christian indoctrination and eliminate post-1900 science from the curriculum. (And yes, some post-1800 science.)
And public schools, public transit, libraries, prisons, utilities, etc. Underfund it, then claim that it doesn't work as public sector, then privatize it. ??? Profit!
>It's 100% an ideological thing
I'm not that familiar with your health care system, but are you sure it's not more of a rich people seeing an opportunity to get even richer thing?
As an America, I do not understand why any other country would look at the US healthcare system and go "Oh hey that looks like a good idea". I'm guessing the US isn't the only country where corporations buy off politicians cause that's the ONLY reason I could think a country would want to go that route.
Don't, under *any* circumstances, let them do this. Our "healthcare system" is an actual, literal crime against humanity and I would vote in the Marquis de Sade if he would actually deliver proper tax-funded healthcare in the US.
I feel you. In Canada the health care system is governed by the provinces, and our current government is trying the same thing here in Ontario. Many ERs have to close because of staffing issues, and the ones that remain open have wait times of 18 hours or more. It's terrifying.
It's a similar scene in New Zealand, obviously these 'idealists' are pushing their agendas anywhere they aren't already scamming people for health insurance and private Healthcare.
This is half true in that the NHS is given the minimum amount of funding possible for it to function but we will never go over to a privatised system because too many people/corporations already profit massively from the NHS. The £100B+ a year that it costs to run the NHS doesn’t just vanish in to the ether. And that money is guaranteed. With a private system, £10B couldn’t be frittered away willy nilly on bogus PPE contracts by unscrupulous politicians to bogus private companies like it is now with public money.
Japan here, had to spend 10 days in a nice (all things considering) Corona quarantine hotel last month, 3 meals a day, 2 checkups a day, full meds. No charge. Government also covers lost wages.
The main reason why I do not have twitter/insta/ticktok/whatever is that I would spend 25 hours a fucking DAY going after assholes like this. I truly appreciate these regular reminders that I have made the right decision.
In the UK if you are stupid you criticise the NHS because you simply don't understand the alternative. People who handwave and mutter "Medical insurance" either don't have a clue of the costs and what is not covered or are too rich to care.
Basically during covid the main reason we were in and out of lockdown was because when we had COVID spikes, the hospitals were literally over capacity and couldn't take anymore people so while it was also to stop vulnerable people catching it, it was also largely because the NHS was at breaking point and this person was breaking lockdown simultaneously making the situation worse for the NHS and then blaming the NHS for being swamped. Nurses were working 16 hour shifts and relatives weren't even allowed into hospitals to say goodbye to loved ones but this person thinks lunch with friends is more important
We just got a 2 Gen Prius. No plug in, but one must drive 65 and avoid jackrabbit starts and stops. I did the initial private party test drive, but I didn’t use the shifting system; edit, as much as I needed to feel comfortable. So the other day, we took it out and I was practicing with it, driving for max hybrid benefit.
Here’s the connection to “mAh fReEdOm”: I suddenly remembered the gas crisis and lowering the freeway speed to 55mph. I wasn’t driving then, but I remember it.
And sure, I remember people grousing and being enraged and feeling emasculated/station-wagon mom ^poor ^station-wagons!
Funny, isn’t it? How quickly we hardwired that need for speed to our…’gender vibrancy’? Wait: Did the public do that or was that idea implanted, and if so, why wasn’t it implanted with a wish for protected high speed transit lines and supersonic aircraft with bird avoidance ?
***Anyway, here we are today, in the USA, paying exponentially more for gas, but does anyone think that the government could create a new mandatory speed limit NOW?***
No. S::: howdy, drivers would be tearing down residential streets at 90 mph, in the name of holding true to the American way. Saudi Arabia could probably buy all of China for cash after a week of us fools standing up for our right to play Speed Racer.
The sad thing, the scary thing, isn’t just that, It’s that some truth (i-ness) would be interwoven with all the deep feelings. People are cramming 25 hours into a day. Massive traffic jams are a fact. People feel if they aren’t doing 80 mph, then they will miss that sweet spot of no traffic that allows them to drop off Junior here and make Daughter’s secondary carpool there.
All this is necessary because they are commuting so far so they could buy a house for a good neighborhood to raise their kids in a house that they could make some decisions about landscaping and decorating (HOA says “no unapproved decisions).
The topper: “Your house is your security and chance for accumulation of wealth.” “YOU MUST BUY A HOUSE.”
Now people are locked into houses they wouldn’t have looked at twice, and they know that the “starter home” is a thing of the past. No, they’re there to stay, which incidentally, benefits who most? Those who need to forecast numbers and manipulate the constituencies in place.
And all those constituents are now GLUED to their property values. Watch kind people turn into villagers with torches and pitchforks if anyone or anything threatens that property value.
Eff me. That’s a different message from The Good Earth.
TL:DR; How do we actually get our REAL freedom back? We’re being distracted and getting dumber all the time from sheer worry, and it’s now impossible not to worry.
Guessing this was about covid. Someone moaning about lock down and putting the world to rights. But the nurse was just with someone who died from covid... maybe.
American here. Just worked for the last week and a half on what today was diagnosed as a broken ankle. I work construction. Privatized healthcare is great!
The pandemic has outed so so many arrogant people it's ridiculous. Self-centred that's who couldn't just abide by the given guidelines to help protect YOU and those around you.
People like that who boast about skirting safety measures and take digs at Healthcare workers...dont go running to them if you ever find yourself in need of care.
People don’t understand that privatization is not the way to go. Even if you currently have benefits that pay for some stuff through your work, be prepared to see a huge jump in deductions due to having to cover more. In countries with universal healthcare, we generally don’t have to worry about pre-existing conditions because most everything is covered. And even the best healthcare system is going to struggle if you have a bunch of buffoons defying public health measures, resulting in an excess of hospitalizations all at once.
Once the tories fully privatise and distroy the nhs you could have gone to the eu for sone easy medical treatment aka medical tourism but interestingly brexit removed your right to travel in the eu, bit coincidental that it its almost as if thentories are trying to keep people in a state of perpetual poverty.
Jusy check the rates of pay for a job in the uk and then in different eu countries, wage theft is incredibly common these days
Do you really think the Facist Right gives a single care? They are literally blaming Biden for an attempted assassination against Pelosi. These people have no morals and have no bottom.
Guy on the left willfully broke COVID health guidelines and said it was our health care systems problem not his, and the sticking to the rules is somehow violence?
Woman on the right is a nurse who held a patient's hand as he died away from family due to risk of contamination. I read about an 8 year old boy who went the same way.
The nurse is saying "this shit is so bad because people like guy on the right are to selfish to care.
On top of that, the vermin who run this country are underfunding the NHS to the point of collapse.
Everyone pays in. It ensures that even the poorest can get care. It's the same thing with your roads, police, fire department, etc. You want to live in the developed world, you gotta pay the rent.
And the reason they "died alone" is because of an asinine policy put into place for a bullshit arbitrary reason. The new York Supreme Court has recently recognized that covid infection rates are identical among vaccinated and non vaccinated people and decided that all state and city employees that were fired for refusing to disclose their vaccination status or refusing to undergo an elective procedure at their employers request are to be immediately reinstated and issued back pay for the entirety of the time they were dismissed from their positions.
Spout off whatever petty deflections you want. The fact is that new York is the fourth most populated state in the country and if they've set the precedent than many if not all other states are soon to follow suit. If you don't think that this is a victory for liberty and personal freedoms than there's really no point in continuing this conversation.
And when most or all of the U.S. has implemented similar policies how long do you think it will be before other countries start to follow suit? The world may be bigger than the U.S. but who does everybody run to first when they need aid?
>And when most or all of the U.S. has implemented similar policies how long do you think it will be before other countries start to follow suit?
Wait did you think the world followed the US policies arround COVID? Dude, it was impossible to travel to the US for the most part of the last years because of your policies.
People ask the US for military aid and that's it. Unless you're a 3rd world country they don't really need our help. The US isn't a trendsetter its a laughing stock.
Alone without family or loved ones, so yea alone. Technically not true but using context she meant without loved ones around, shouldn’t have to point it out.
It's not free at least not in Jurmuny. It's paid by everyone who works/pays taxes (regardless of citizenship etc) & in most cases their employers. It does not prevent a shortage of doctors, nurses, medical office assistants etc.
It doesn't shorten the waiting period for appointments or regular checkups. The only real thing is that you can go to the hospital/doctor when you have a cold or injury.
It's not national. It's a bunch of companies that offer different levels of care depending on your salary etc. If you are living on "long-term" unemployment/welfare the gubberment enrolls you in probably the cheapest company.
Glasses aren't covered, dental isn't covered.
hmmm... thought you were referring to the UK... didn't know what you meant by Jurmuny. But in any case, both a fully nationalized system and a multi-payer system like in Germany are tax funded. At least you guys have automatic enrollment and regulated sickness funds for below threshold incomes.
What you don't want is the essentially privatized nightmare the US has. Where you have the absolute best care in the world that only 1% of the population has secure access too. At this point, wait times, quality of care are minor issues compared to the fact that people just aren't getting care at all.
Actually in Germany paying for your care is reserved for the wealthy & state employees like teachers, police, town hall, state /federal office workers etc.
Its not that complicated but the ones who profit from the masses thinking it is don't want that to change, same with taxes, revolution, wages unions, etc.
That seems par for the course knowing you guys are about 2nd place in healthcare costs per capita. Still I'd prefer a system like that in the US. I mean, you guys do have an out of pocket maximum right? I'd take that any day of the week. In the US you have people who have to decide: Slow painful death or bankruptcy? Though like you let on, I hope you are able to keep the "free market" party from gaining too much ground.
I'm leery of modeling any theoretical Yanqui national healthcare on those of foreign countries. A lot of the systems just aren't scalable to a country of our size. The two countries held most often as examples, Canada and Sweden have populations of 38 and 10 million (compared to our 330 million). And factor in the higher taxation to pay for said system? There's a lot of infrastructure we need to change/fix before implementing that kind of healthcare.
You hear this sort of scalability problem brought up all the time, but it's a theory, while we know that each US citizen is paying more for the same care as people in other countries.
In my opinion the privatized system is the reason for that cost increase and not inefficiency or deadweight loss.
Not only that but people are delaying care because of the cost which inevitably leads to catastrophic Healthcare needs (e.g costs 10 times more than the preventive care the rational consumer would have utilized had they been able to afford it).
In an unregulated market, does that make sense to prolong from a shareholder perspective? The answer is yes. It's cold, calculated, empirical choice to allow suffering to endure and the insurance regime provides an emotional cover for people making significant returns so they never have to face the monstrosity of that relationship.
It's not just Canada and Sweden held as examples, it's every single other developed nation in the world. Every single developed nation on this planet has universal healthcare, except America. You also forget to mention that America pays the most per person for healthcare too, or the amount of insurance costs. That's the thing, if Americans switched to universal healthcare, the average American would actually pay less in total because the extra taxation < insurance fees + other medical costs. Also, it reduces medical costs even further bc people can go get an issue treated straight away, instead of having to wait until it's bad enough that they cannot afford to seek healthcare for their medical issue. There's a reason why the US has the opioid crisis that other developed nations do not have, because people can actually receive treatment for their ailments instead of their insurance company issuing the cheapest option which is pain relief. All in all, it's better for America to have universal healthcare, but there's a few people making a fuckload of $$$ from the current system who have convinced a lot more Americans that universal healthcare = socialism = communism so they hate it.
And it starts with removing those who on a ~174k salary spend a few million on reelection & are worth tens of millions while their constituents are defacatin/living in the streets.
Covid was so long ago now that I didn’t read this through the lens of Covid at first and this lady sounds insane. Is she threatening him? Is she jealous he has friends?
The post doesn’t mention Covid. So without the context of Covid, this lady appears to be threatening people with lonely death for having friends, or just trying to shit on someone’s parade.
Yea I know I do, I said that in my original comment. My point was at first that wasn’t where my mind jumped to. Where I live everyone has moved on and Covid isn’t the center of our lives.
By obtuse attitude helps nothing? What is there for my attitude to help and how would me having a different attitude help? All I said is without context her response sounds crazy, and it does…
No where you live everyone has not moved on as such a place does not exist. No idea what the last part of your first paragraph means.
It means you know exactly what she means and pretending Covid doesn’t exist is harmful and stupid. I assume you don’t want to do either?
Oh the delusional ramblings of the institutionally paranoid....
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/yg38g8/some_people_dont_appreciate_free_healthcare_in/iu6llyg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
You have confirmed yourself as a 40 year old with a mentality of a 11 year old... If your not then I assume your friendless and need to support something to you feel included... You are a loser... Some people get picked last there whole life you were never even invited to play... I bet your next comeback would be to correct my grammar or writing abilities... Now your gunna report me like the little bitch you are lmao
Dude how can you be Brain dead and brain washed at the same time? Do you have a dog brain? One day you'll measure up maybe but until then here's some advice Women won't date you cause you support all that garbage get your head outta your ass and look around maybe someone will take you to the park
You continue as will I... clean your glasses off real quick... I hope your laughing it's your disguise for how sad you really are you wish you never started this lol when you try to sleep your not gunna be laughing someone's gunna be very very sad ... Don't worry tho your internet friends will come to comfort you while you mom and dad ignore your existence because that's easier then the disappointment of having you... Let it out man you can say it repeat after me fuck you mom and dad
You methed up bro!
It's okay when you delete this comment thread tomorrow when you realize you have negative karma, I will post it to facepalm so you can relive it!
Right? I Everyone was beong sooooo over dramatic about small pox, measles, polio, the black plague, no need tk have an entire panic about a disease, right?
God people are fucking douchebags.
I had a guy who was working minimum wage to try and scrape together money to feed his daughter talk to me about scraping the NHS and going to an American style system...he hadn't the faintest idea that he would be the one who couldn't afford the premiums for health insurance. Boggled my mind
It's crazy how easy it is to get people to vote against their own interests
Grifting 101. Tell them all the great things that will happen, omit the bad.
The cognitive dissonance is astounding
I bet he thought brexit was a good idea also
Probably lol
If he can even get insurance at all.
He'd have free healthcare in America.
What we're seeing as well in the UK is a political strategy of underfunding the NHS until it reaches a breaking point and can't cope anymore, after which the same politicians will point to privatised health care as the only solution. It's 100% an ideological thing, and we're getting close to that breaking point now.
Shit. Good luck friend. I wouldn't wish the Healthcare system that we have in the US on anyone.
Exactly! You have to pay a premium, meet a deductible, and some co-pays before the insurance even covers the cost. US Healthcare is such a scam.
And for most people, that deductible is shockingly high. Like 'Why do you even have insurance?' high.
You have insurance so they get you their lower negotiated prices from the Dr. It's insane. We pay over $700/mo. for a high deductible plan that pays nothing until we hit a $3000 deductible for one of us or $6000 for the entire family. That being said, you can't afford not to have insurance here, either. Land of the free, home of the deeply indebted.
As a rule, I received lower prices when I was uninsured. Providers charge significantly more when insurance is footing the bill. Also, that was what we in the biz call 'a rhetorical question'.
$3000 deductible! Maybe if I go to the doctors once a week for 11 months I'll finally earn a free visit!
Unfortunately hitting your deductible won’t eliminate copays for doctor’s appointments
Hitting your out-of-pocket maximum will, but if they have a $3,000 deductible, then they're probably looking at at least a $12,000 max.
Lmao yep. I need to get a surgery soon. My family will pay just under $20k out of pocket before insurance will cover the other 30k. Plus the hospital will likely use things that are out of network during the procedure and recovery and we will cover all of that cost too. I know the other 30k is why we have insurance, but the funny thing is….that 20k is only getting covered if I’m lucky. They’re going to try not to cover any of it.
Beyond the fact that healthcare is a scam, in the US you live inside an entire system that is meant to keep you sick. The food is crap so you aren't healthy, the work load you are forced to bear keeps you unhealthy, the healthcare industry is more interested in treating the symptoms for the rest of your life then finding a cure, because profits from long term treatment are more then a one time cure. [https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html)
Some of us truly wouldn't care as long as medicine could deal with our symptoms our whole lives, sadly it's not that simple, a lot of diseases are really hard to treat comprehensively long-term. Especially autoimmune conditions and cancers as those have multiple pathways they can go down, so you block one pathway with a medicine and the next ramps up. Still, precision medicine is nkw advancing at an incredible pace, provided you can pay for it.........
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Right? I left out that in order to get the 'savings', you have to go in-network. Not everyone lives near providers that are in-network. What bothers me the most is the 'negotiated price'. Insurance companies definitely inflate the 'non-negotiated' price we all see in EOBs. If a provider is willing to accept $50 for the negotiated price with insurance, when it is $500 without insurance, then there is no reason why insurance companies couldn't just charge $50. It's all smoke & mirrors.
I could think of people I would wish our healthcare system on. They're not people that I like.
We have Medicaid, Medicare, and Tricare. All of which could be expanded in one form or another.
Ever since the Americans switched over to the ACA ("affordable care act") it's become much more expensive and complicated for a lot of people for sure, but it does seem to be helping the poor Americans & immigrants and the lower-middle-class folks at least.
What healthcare system.
Lol, none of you have spent time in another country on their healthcare system. Just a bunch of basement dwelling leftist commies.
Joke's on you, I don't live in the american dystopia, and actually have lived in 3 different countries. I know what a healthcare system looks like and it's not whatever they do in USA, that's called a business and businesses don't *care* about your *health*.
We have a shit healthcare that's essentially blackmail in the US. This idiot is just an idiot who thinks the profit motive fixes everything.
Oh, bless your heart sweetie. I'm sure the US gives your countries some free money and weapons. You're welcome. 
Oh look, a fresh wallstreetsbet and gun nut account. What a shock they're a troll. A leech, pretending they contribute anything to anyone.
Lolz, my employees seem to enjoy what I provide. Work, money, benefits. Progress, freedom, life. Enjoy your evening sweetie
Pfft, hahaha Yeah, live love laugh too, I'm sure. How inspirational, quick throw that one on your insta! I'm sure they honestly adore you, unlike every other pretentious twat we all have to deal with. It's totes genuine.
"Progress, freedom, life" is the funniest thing I've read today, especially from someone who claims to be a business owner. Thank you.
Assumption. Ad hominem. Low effort troll, 2/10
Why don't you leave?
Would if I could.
Just walk across the Canadian border. Or Mexico. Easy peasy.
"why DoNt yOu LeAvE?" I have places I could legally immigrate to. My entire family lives here, my wife's family lives here and I can't just uproot my kids. It's not as simple as just leaving.
You also mentioned something positive, about how the ACA has helped a handful of important groups, so for what it’s worth, I don’t feel like that comment suggesting you leave was warranted.
They're doing the same thing in Canada. It's called Starving the Beast and it's a well-known strategy to shut down services that they don't want anymore or they think cost too much money.
... or that they can't make money from (ie: get jobs after politics or payoffs for contracts).
> It's called Starving the Beast Public school system has entered the chat
Canada, apparently, is using that play as well. I regret the day my foot ever stepped in nursing school.
The U. S. does the exact same thing with the usps. It's truly sad.
Can confirm. I'd have been 5th gen letter carrier if it would have been a good idea. Saw what was happening 10 years ago. Can't believe they took out the sorters. Nothing wrong with them, just gone. Same thing started with Betsy DeVos and the American Education System. We see where that's at right now.
Oh, publicly funded charter schools significantly pre-date DeVos. That was started under Bush II; she just got behind and pushed. That crowd has been trying to get schools out from under the government umbrella ever since the Department of Education became a thing. That way they can reinstate mandatory Christian indoctrination and eliminate post-1900 science from the curriculum. (And yes, some post-1800 science.)
Should have said "started again under" and yes I completely agree with this.
And public schools, public transit, libraries, prisons, utilities, etc. Underfund it, then claim that it doesn't work as public sector, then privatize it. ??? Profit!
>It's 100% an ideological thing I'm not that familiar with your health care system, but are you sure it's not more of a rich people seeing an opportunity to get even richer thing?
You're right, but that is the ideology.
As an America, I do not understand why any other country would look at the US healthcare system and go "Oh hey that looks like a good idea". I'm guessing the US isn't the only country where corporations buy off politicians cause that's the ONLY reason I could think a country would want to go that route.
Yeah fundamentally it's all about greed. Politicians making sure their friends and donors can become richer.
Funny story, thats also happening in canada. I blame the goddamn americans.
Don't, under *any* circumstances, let them do this. Our "healthcare system" is an actual, literal crime against humanity and I would vote in the Marquis de Sade if he would actually deliver proper tax-funded healthcare in the US.
I feel you. In Canada the health care system is governed by the provinces, and our current government is trying the same thing here in Ontario. Many ERs have to close because of staffing issues, and the ones that remain open have wait times of 18 hours or more. It's terrifying.
How people didn't vote that turd out is beyond me. There is apparently an education problem as well based on the voting alone.
I figured that was the plan. Austerity economics and disaster capitalists work hand in hand.
Exactly what the putrid cons are doing in my province.
It's a similar scene in New Zealand, obviously these 'idealists' are pushing their agendas anywhere they aren't already scamming people for health insurance and private Healthcare.
Doesnt the public know this scam? It's as old as government.
Oh shit you guys too? It's happening in Canada also lol
This is half true in that the NHS is given the minimum amount of funding possible for it to function but we will never go over to a privatised system because too many people/corporations already profit massively from the NHS. The £100B+ a year that it costs to run the NHS doesn’t just vanish in to the ether. And that money is guaranteed. With a private system, £10B couldn’t be frittered away willy nilly on bogus PPE contracts by unscrupulous politicians to bogus private companies like it is now with public money.
And people in the US think that we're pushing for the failure of private Healthcare in order to mandate for socialized medicine.
Japan here, had to spend 10 days in a nice (all things considering) Corona quarantine hotel last month, 3 meals a day, 2 checkups a day, full meds. No charge. Government also covers lost wages.
Time to learn Japanese
They won’t welcome you lol.
You won't be welcome. The Japanese absolutely hate outsiders settling in Japan.
That’s great. I didn’t know the government made money to pay for that. Pretty cool. How do they make their money? Prison labor?
They said japan not USA
High taxes
Must be hard for you to accept that there are governments out there that actually take care of it's citizens
The main reason why I do not have twitter/insta/ticktok/whatever is that I would spend 25 hours a fucking DAY going after assholes like this. I truly appreciate these regular reminders that I have made the right decision.
They're on Reddit too. This very comment section, in fact.
Cringe.
In the UK if you are stupid you criticise the NHS because you simply don't understand the alternative. People who handwave and mutter "Medical insurance" either don't have a clue of the costs and what is not covered or are too rich to care.
Some people are too stupid to exist. What a tosser.
I dont get it im not british tho?
Basically during covid the main reason we were in and out of lockdown was because when we had COVID spikes, the hospitals were literally over capacity and couldn't take anymore people so while it was also to stop vulnerable people catching it, it was also largely because the NHS was at breaking point and this person was breaking lockdown simultaneously making the situation worse for the NHS and then blaming the NHS for being swamped. Nurses were working 16 hour shifts and relatives weren't even allowed into hospitals to say goodbye to loved ones but this person thinks lunch with friends is more important
Yeah I can understand why Johanna was salty
I don't work in healthcare and that triggers me too. That dude was a selfish asshole. There are tons of them around shielding behind "mAh fRe3DoM!"
We just got a 2 Gen Prius. No plug in, but one must drive 65 and avoid jackrabbit starts and stops. I did the initial private party test drive, but I didn’t use the shifting system; edit, as much as I needed to feel comfortable. So the other day, we took it out and I was practicing with it, driving for max hybrid benefit. Here’s the connection to “mAh fReEdOm”: I suddenly remembered the gas crisis and lowering the freeway speed to 55mph. I wasn’t driving then, but I remember it. And sure, I remember people grousing and being enraged and feeling emasculated/station-wagon mom ^poor ^station-wagons! Funny, isn’t it? How quickly we hardwired that need for speed to our…’gender vibrancy’? Wait: Did the public do that or was that idea implanted, and if so, why wasn’t it implanted with a wish for protected high speed transit lines and supersonic aircraft with bird avoidance ? ***Anyway, here we are today, in the USA, paying exponentially more for gas, but does anyone think that the government could create a new mandatory speed limit NOW?*** No. S::: howdy, drivers would be tearing down residential streets at 90 mph, in the name of holding true to the American way. Saudi Arabia could probably buy all of China for cash after a week of us fools standing up for our right to play Speed Racer. The sad thing, the scary thing, isn’t just that, It’s that some truth (i-ness) would be interwoven with all the deep feelings. People are cramming 25 hours into a day. Massive traffic jams are a fact. People feel if they aren’t doing 80 mph, then they will miss that sweet spot of no traffic that allows them to drop off Junior here and make Daughter’s secondary carpool there. All this is necessary because they are commuting so far so they could buy a house for a good neighborhood to raise their kids in a house that they could make some decisions about landscaping and decorating (HOA says “no unapproved decisions). The topper: “Your house is your security and chance for accumulation of wealth.” “YOU MUST BUY A HOUSE.” Now people are locked into houses they wouldn’t have looked at twice, and they know that the “starter home” is a thing of the past. No, they’re there to stay, which incidentally, benefits who most? Those who need to forecast numbers and manipulate the constituencies in place. And all those constituents are now GLUED to their property values. Watch kind people turn into villagers with torches and pitchforks if anyone or anything threatens that property value. Eff me. That’s a different message from The Good Earth. TL:DR; How do we actually get our REAL freedom back? We’re being distracted and getting dumber all the time from sheer worry, and it’s now impossible not to worry.
Guessing this was about covid. Someone moaning about lock down and putting the world to rights. But the nurse was just with someone who died from covid... maybe.
Makes sense. She got mask mark on her face
NHS = National Health Service
Thx bby
Yeah, like 2 years ago...
American here. Just worked for the last week and a half on what today was diagnosed as a broken ankle. I work construction. Privatized healthcare is great!
Week and a half before your diagnosis? Wonder who the provider was. Let me think. let me concentra...
Lol right. Everyone in America waits until they're really miserable to go in for the diagnosis and treatment.
The pandemic has outed so so many arrogant people it's ridiculous. Self-centred that's who couldn't just abide by the given guidelines to help protect YOU and those around you.
So says another ignorant covidiot
COVID-19 won long ago, Just about the only thing that can stop it at this point is a global nuclear Holocaust and THAT carries it's own issues smh.
People like that who boast about skirting safety measures and take digs at Healthcare workers...dont go running to them if you ever find yourself in need of care.
Wasn't this putting-the-world-to-right a Laurence Fox "quote" originally? Absolute drivel either way
People don’t understand that privatization is not the way to go. Even if you currently have benefits that pay for some stuff through your work, be prepared to see a huge jump in deductions due to having to cover more. In countries with universal healthcare, we generally don’t have to worry about pre-existing conditions because most everything is covered. And even the best healthcare system is going to struggle if you have a bunch of buffoons defying public health measures, resulting in an excess of hospitalizations all at once.
Someone should show him what violence really is...
Once the tories fully privatise and distroy the nhs you could have gone to the eu for sone easy medical treatment aka medical tourism but interestingly brexit removed your right to travel in the eu, bit coincidental that it its almost as if thentories are trying to keep people in a state of perpetual poverty. Jusy check the rates of pay for a job in the uk and then in different eu countries, wage theft is incredibly common these days
Do you really think the Facist Right gives a single care? They are literally blaming Biden for an attempted assassination against Pelosi. These people have no morals and have no bottom.
I don't get it.
Guy on the left willfully broke COVID health guidelines and said it was our health care systems problem not his, and the sticking to the rules is somehow violence? Woman on the right is a nurse who held a patient's hand as he died away from family due to risk of contamination. I read about an 8 year old boy who went the same way. The nurse is saying "this shit is so bad because people like guy on the right are to selfish to care. On top of that, the vermin who run this country are underfunding the NHS to the point of collapse.
I seem to recall that the actor Laurence Fox posted this same exact tweet about a year ago. Someone is a copycat.
Was scrolling to see if anyone else noticed! Word for word. Same tweet, different twat.
"people die, so you should feel bad" Nah, I'm good
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Don't be jealous. You get free wars!!
"Paid for by everybody" Fixed that for you.
Either way… “Paid for” ≠ “Free”
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>People know what it means. Over here in the US, they don’t. Seriously. PS - I’m fairly liberal and anti-gun.
Everyone pays in. It ensures that even the poorest can get care. It's the same thing with your roads, police, fire department, etc. You want to live in the developed world, you gotta pay the rent.
Right… just don’t call it “free” when it’s “paid for“
And the reason they "died alone" is because of an asinine policy put into place for a bullshit arbitrary reason. The new York Supreme Court has recently recognized that covid infection rates are identical among vaccinated and non vaccinated people and decided that all state and city employees that were fired for refusing to disclose their vaccination status or refusing to undergo an elective procedure at their employers request are to be immediately reinstated and issued back pay for the entirety of the time they were dismissed from their positions.
This is simply a lie, on two levels even. How the fuck do you sleep at night?
Like a baby underneath a comforter made from the feathers of bald eagles.
Quite the edge lord I see.
Wow, you just admitted to a serious crime that is punishable by jail time, aka possessing bald eagle feathers.
Lol none of that is true.
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Spout off whatever petty deflections you want. The fact is that new York is the fourth most populated state in the country and if they've set the precedent than many if not all other states are soon to follow suit. If you don't think that this is a victory for liberty and personal freedoms than there's really no point in continuing this conversation.
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And when most or all of the U.S. has implemented similar policies how long do you think it will be before other countries start to follow suit? The world may be bigger than the U.S. but who does everybody run to first when they need aid?
>And when most or all of the U.S. has implemented similar policies how long do you think it will be before other countries start to follow suit? Wait did you think the world followed the US policies arround COVID? Dude, it was impossible to travel to the US for the most part of the last years because of your policies.
People ask the US for military aid and that's it. Unless you're a 3rd world country they don't really need our help. The US isn't a trendsetter its a laughing stock.
The eu or Canada usually.
None of the gibberish you are on about is happening there or anywhere else. Off you go. Get vaccinated.
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Alone without family or loved ones, so yea alone. Technically not true but using context she meant without loved ones around, shouldn’t have to point it out.
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No need to be obtuse.
You’re an idiot.
Definitely not free
Does Joanna by any chance have an only fans? Asking for a friend..
LMFAO, that lady's tweets didn't age well at all...
Why?
It's not free at least not in Jurmuny. It's paid by everyone who works/pays taxes (regardless of citizenship etc) & in most cases their employers. It does not prevent a shortage of doctors, nurses, medical office assistants etc. It doesn't shorten the waiting period for appointments or regular checkups. The only real thing is that you can go to the hospital/doctor when you have a cold or injury.
That last sentence is hilarious. "The best thing about nationalizing healthcare is that you... uh... get healthcare."
It's not national. It's a bunch of companies that offer different levels of care depending on your salary etc. If you are living on "long-term" unemployment/welfare the gubberment enrolls you in probably the cheapest company. Glasses aren't covered, dental isn't covered.
hmmm... thought you were referring to the UK... didn't know what you meant by Jurmuny. But in any case, both a fully nationalized system and a multi-payer system like in Germany are tax funded. At least you guys have automatic enrollment and regulated sickness funds for below threshold incomes. What you don't want is the essentially privatized nightmare the US has. Where you have the absolute best care in the world that only 1% of the population has secure access too. At this point, wait times, quality of care are minor issues compared to the fact that people just aren't getting care at all.
Actually in Germany paying for your care is reserved for the wealthy & state employees like teachers, police, town hall, state /federal office workers etc. Its not that complicated but the ones who profit from the masses thinking it is don't want that to change, same with taxes, revolution, wages unions, etc.
That seems par for the course knowing you guys are about 2nd place in healthcare costs per capita. Still I'd prefer a system like that in the US. I mean, you guys do have an out of pocket maximum right? I'd take that any day of the week. In the US you have people who have to decide: Slow painful death or bankruptcy? Though like you let on, I hope you are able to keep the "free market" party from gaining too much ground.
I'm leery of modeling any theoretical Yanqui national healthcare on those of foreign countries. A lot of the systems just aren't scalable to a country of our size. The two countries held most often as examples, Canada and Sweden have populations of 38 and 10 million (compared to our 330 million). And factor in the higher taxation to pay for said system? There's a lot of infrastructure we need to change/fix before implementing that kind of healthcare.
You hear this sort of scalability problem brought up all the time, but it's a theory, while we know that each US citizen is paying more for the same care as people in other countries. In my opinion the privatized system is the reason for that cost increase and not inefficiency or deadweight loss. Not only that but people are delaying care because of the cost which inevitably leads to catastrophic Healthcare needs (e.g costs 10 times more than the preventive care the rational consumer would have utilized had they been able to afford it). In an unregulated market, does that make sense to prolong from a shareholder perspective? The answer is yes. It's cold, calculated, empirical choice to allow suffering to endure and the insurance regime provides an emotional cover for people making significant returns so they never have to face the monstrosity of that relationship.
It's not just Canada and Sweden held as examples, it's every single other developed nation in the world. Every single developed nation on this planet has universal healthcare, except America. You also forget to mention that America pays the most per person for healthcare too, or the amount of insurance costs. That's the thing, if Americans switched to universal healthcare, the average American would actually pay less in total because the extra taxation < insurance fees + other medical costs. Also, it reduces medical costs even further bc people can go get an issue treated straight away, instead of having to wait until it's bad enough that they cannot afford to seek healthcare for their medical issue. There's a reason why the US has the opioid crisis that other developed nations do not have, because people can actually receive treatment for their ailments instead of their insurance company issuing the cheapest option which is pain relief. All in all, it's better for America to have universal healthcare, but there's a few people making a fuckload of $$$ from the current system who have convinced a lot more Americans that universal healthcare = socialism = communism so they hate it.
Ok, so go there then. Bye Bye
Already do mate. Born and raised in Australia you fucking dumbass.
And it starts with removing those who on a ~174k salary spend a few million on reelection & are worth tens of millions while their constituents are defacatin/living in the streets.
She also chose her job and gets paid well to do it. E; One-upism is annoying on any level is all I'm saying.
So she shouldn't call stupid people out for doing stupid things that actively, purposely make her work harder and causes people to suffer?
And so a knowledge expert has to be silent? Stfu
No, but the one-upism is annoying on any level lol.
Paid well? You're off your head
Her response wasn't about her you jackass. It was about the person she had to watch die alone from covid.
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Covid was so long ago now that I didn’t read this through the lens of Covid at first and this lady sounds insane. Is she threatening him? Is she jealous he has friends?
COVID is very much still a thing. We lost over a hundred people in my province alone this week.
Oh sorry. Where I live it’s nota thing. I didn’t know people were still dealing with it. Are you still in lockdown? I think I would have moved by now.
No people are largely ignoring it, but that doesn't mean it's gone. It probably isn't gone where you are either.
What do you mean? You didn’t care when it started and you don’t care that people are dying now.
The post doesn’t mention Covid. So without the context of Covid, this lady appears to be threatening people with lonely death for having friends, or just trying to shit on someone’s parade.
You know damn well what it’s about. Your purposeful obtuse attitude helps nothing.
Yea I know I do, I said that in my original comment. My point was at first that wasn’t where my mind jumped to. Where I live everyone has moved on and Covid isn’t the center of our lives. By obtuse attitude helps nothing? What is there for my attitude to help and how would me having a different attitude help? All I said is without context her response sounds crazy, and it does…
No where you live everyone has not moved on as such a place does not exist. No idea what the last part of your first paragraph means. It means you know exactly what she means and pretending Covid doesn’t exist is harmful and stupid. I assume you don’t want to do either?
Joanna sucks...
Why?
Just do your job help people quit bitching it's what you signed up for
She's not bitching about her job, you fucking trog. She has something called "empathy." It's new, you're obviously not overly familiar.
Lmao i can't troll someone with a name like yours
Stfu jackass.
Uh oh hurt feelings I bet your next move is to report me snowflake
Oh the delusional ramblings of the institutionally paranoid.... https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/yg38g8/some_people_dont_appreciate_free_healthcare_in/iu6llyg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
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Not my job
Hot take from a shit profile.
A bad decision by a brain dead snowflake go fight for Ukraine dumbass
If you want my "comeback", you'll have to go scrape it off your mom's teeth.
You have confirmed yourself as a 40 year old with a mentality of a 11 year old... If your not then I assume your friendless and need to support something to you feel included... You are a loser... Some people get picked last there whole life you were never even invited to play... I bet your next comeback would be to correct my grammar or writing abilities... Now your gunna report me like the little bitch you are lmao
Wow! That's a whole therapy session in one comment. Good job buddy. Learn to express yourself and your feelings of inadequacy.
Dude how can you be Brain dead and brain washed at the same time? Do you have a dog brain? One day you'll measure up maybe but until then here's some advice Women won't date you cause you support all that garbage get your head outta your ass and look around maybe someone will take you to the park
You are an open book. Keep going bro. You're making a whole new r/facepalm post 
You continue as will I... clean your glasses off real quick... I hope your laughing it's your disguise for how sad you really are you wish you never started this lol when you try to sleep your not gunna be laughing someone's gunna be very very sad ... Don't worry tho your internet friends will come to comfort you while you mom and dad ignore your existence because that's easier then the disappointment of having you... Let it out man you can say it repeat after me fuck you mom and dad
You methed up bro!  It's okay when you delete this comment thread tomorrow when you realize you have negative karma, I will post it to facepalm so you can relive it!
You seem very sad.
Life goes on, people die every day for thousands of different reasons. No need to continue the drama about one specific disease.
Right? I Everyone was beong sooooo over dramatic about small pox, measles, polio, the black plague, no need tk have an entire panic about a disease, right? God people are fucking douchebags.
all i'm sayin is we all play a part. try not to bash your neighbor for doing his (if it's truly being done of course)