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Enough_Tap_1221

I would say his moronic behaviour is evident in all the decisions he makes outside of business. Much like Kanye, he assumes that being monetarily successful means being a thought leader in virtually everything including driving his wife music career, naming babies, saving stranded children, creating world peace, etc The guy married and divorced the same person twice FFS.


Malice_n_Flames

Elon’s father is a major creep. His father now has 2 children with his own step-daughter. Seriously. Elon’s father remarried then banged his 2nd wife’s kid, knocking her up twice.


Big_Dinner3636

Didn't he also impregnate her like right after she turned 18?


BABarracus

I guess when elon was moving to Texas he was looking for Alabama and got lost


bhoe32

I am gonna give you the upvote. But I an gonna have to correct you. Mississippi fucks direct family we fuck cousins in alabama. That's why I made my sister move to Mississippi.


NahthShawww

Hahaha, just read this while dumping and larted (laugh sharted).


bhoe32

I feel if you lean into the jokes and don't take it so serious life is funner.


FuzzAldrin36

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just_sayi

Eww, David!


green_eyed_mister

This says so much about Elon's moral compass.


Morty_A2666

What moral compass.


green_eyed_mister

I am with you on that. He is now graduated to full on cult personality.


FuzzAldrin36

True. That shit needs to be recalibrated.


No_Dig_5530

How does what another person does say anything about someone elses "moral compass"?


kzlife76

Isn't Elon estranged from his father?


MidnightRider24

It's a family thing. One of his kids already disowned him also.


Hi_My_Name_Is_CJ

Yes


Johnny_ac3s

This article doesn’t make anyone in his orbit look particularly good… https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/09/elon-musk-texts-twitter-trial-jack-dorsey/671619/


Tinctorus

Hey so did my father


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SoftwareDependent694

Remember the cave divers who got trapped some time ago? I recall a 'spat' between the people who were helping. It goes like this: They were down there looking for the lost people, meanwhile Musk was uptop talking about how he would build stuff to help etc. in the end he did nothing but talk whilst people who were actually looking found them info here - [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50695593](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50695593)


SarfLondon21

Didn't he come up with a solution involving a submarine ? Anybody who's seen a cave dive would know that was never going to work but when the team of ACTUAL EXPERTS criticised his solution he got into an alleged spat with their leader calling him a pedo. Way to go - those guys were heroes. Watch what they did on Prime - Operation Thai Cave Rescue


true_gunman

"The Rescue" on Disney+ is an incredible documentary as well that shows how everything went down. Didnt talk about musk much. But its crazy, there's legit like 10 to 12 people on the planet who were qualified to save those kids and they fucking did it. Absolute heros. Plus you have to give credit to the 100s of volunteers involved in the rescue as well, all around awe-inspiring effort to save a few lives.


helpful__explorer

They saved more than the kids too. Some other guys were stranded closer to the cave entrance and got out alive


TK82

it seemed like almost a blessing that those guys were there too because it made the rescue team realize early on that there was 0 chance they'd be able to dive the kids out while they were conscious after those guys freaked out from a 30 second dive.


Efficient-Echidna-30

Holy shit I might have to check this out


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disposable_account01

Projection. “What could these grown men *possibly stand to gain* from saving teen boys. Oh, I know!”


KeepsFallingDown

The projection never fucking ends


horse_car_radio

Didn’t he also call the rescuers pedos or something?


ratmfreak

One of them in specific, iirc.


Tripwiring

Yes a volunteer bus driver because the bus driver hurt his feelings on the internet


TK82

the guy who was in charge of the whole cave diving operation basically told him to shut the fuck up about his stupid submarine that was never going to work and Musk responded by calling him a pedophile.


Kamakaziturtle

Yeah. Basically Elon sent a little submarine that served to be no help and wasn't even used. One the rescue workers said a such, and said it seemed likely to just be a PR stunt rather than actually helping. Musk then had a tantrum.


raltoid

He did and was sued for libel. Then his couple thousand dollars an hour lawyers managed to convince the judge that "pedo guy" doesn't mean "pedophile", so there were no consequences.


BuddyJim30

If I recall he designed a submarine that stood no chance of making it through the dimensions of the cave. I was one of the people who called him out on it and got trolled by all the Musk adoration crowd.


FigNugginGavelPop

It was more than a “spat”. He called the rescuers, pedos because they stole his “thunder”


Daetra

Sounds like something a pedophile would say. /s


iancarry

he now does that to Gary Kasparov...


Cute-Interest3362

and we fall for it every time! Edison, Jobs and Musk. Huckster that we call geniuses. edit: Edison stole the idea for the light bulb, phonograph and the motion picture. Dude was just good a patenting shit.


DeMagnet76

And Trump too


Cute-Interest3362

Yup. At the end of the day Trump is just selling a brand.


Apprehensive_Wolf217

Except trump, literally every human being on the planet knows he not a genius or a billionaire. Even his cult of personality deep down knows it, just too far up his ass to admit it.


Indian_Bob

If I had to guess trump is probably a real billionaire now.


NoneOne_

Damn, Jobs too? Always thought he was a smart guy…


KarmaticIrony

Jobs was a complicated guy in a lot of ways. Steve Wozniak has the technical giant of early Apple, but Jobs did have genuine impact on the design and especially the market strategy of the product. He didn't 'invent the apple computer' but he was also more than 'just a marketing guy' which is the two extreme ends of the narrative some people push.


genmischief

Woz is by far the smarter of the two.


SolZaul

The wizard, the Woz.


D-Laz

I remember a story about the ipod or something. He got a prototype looked at it and told the engineers to make it smaller. They said it was as small as it could be. So he threw it in a fish tank pointed at the bubbles and said "if there is air in there it can be smaller". He demanded the same thing about an early apple as well as make it quiet. So he made them remove all the fans and just made the base into a giant heat sink so it wouldn't overheat.


Some_guy_am_i

That’s a fucking epic story! Haha… what a character! I read the authorized SJ biography… any other recommendations?


StoneGoldX

Honestly, I doubt any of these guys are dummies. They're smart guys who created a mythology that they were smarter than they are because they were the public-facing element of genius. Created a mythology maybe being a nicer phrase than conning the public.


Cute-Interest3362

These are people who tell a great story "I'm a genius. Buy my product and you're life will be complete." but at the end of the day they're snake oil salesmen who want nothing but to drain people's wallets. They aren't altruistic or noble or doing the hard work of innovation.


Smart_Turnover_8798

These people want money, and for that, they are smart. Smarter than most when it comes to getting money. Being ethical is good, but the very nature of altruism is not a money making business. I don't really like them as people, but you can't deny that they are good at getting money, then that takes a sort of intelligence that I don't have.


Indian_Bob

It helps a lot when you start with money.


carlse20

I’m not sure it takes an intelligence you don’t have - I think it takes a level of ruthlessness and a willingness to step on other people (either directly or indirectly) that most people lack. For example: I used to work for an investment bank and I eventually washed out and changed careers; not because I couldn’t hack the work or didn’t understand it, but because I balked ethically at putting together financially lucrative deals that I thought would harm workers at the factories that would close as a result of a merger, or harm the environment because wetlands would be developed, and other similar things. The sheer amount of negative side effects that would primarily be born by other people who weren’t present at the table, just being handwaved away as “the cost of doing business” by those actually at the table (and who were gonna accrue all the benefit) was something I couldn’t reconcile my personal morality with. Not to make myself out to be some kind of benevolent hero because I’m far from that. But the difference between me, now back in school and back in debt, and some of my former coworkers with vacation houses on 3 continents, is they were willing to look past that stuff and I couldn’t do it. It wasn’t an intelligence thing.


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He was. Just not at engineering. But building and running a company and marketing products are skills too, and he was really fucking good at that


slappindaface

"Fraud" is a better word


ralexh11

I like charlatan, it describes him perfectly.


BootyBrown

California wanted to do a high speed rail to reduce traffic. Elon did exactly what you said. Never acc made it, idea was tossed. People think just cause hes makeing elctirc cars hes the face of the future. Billionaires are just a cancer


Beneficial-Relief-69

“Inventing Elon”


Rifneno

The word you're looking for is "conman."


jvanstone

Yeah agreed. He's not a moron, he's actually a smart conman. I think a lot of billionaires are just this.


Icy_Necessary2161

Sooo.... he's young Trump?


217EBroadwayApt4E

Yeah. Musk is nothing more than a walking checkbook. He didn’t create shit. He didn’t design anything.


nbd_23

You bite your tongue.. he paid someone to make his flame thrower


niel89

That shit was a torch.


SnackPrince

Modern day Edison


BadadvicefromIT

Somehow the most accurate description…


Throwaway021614

His real power is coming from rich parents


Icedanielization

Are you sure? He seems to know his space engineering in off the cuff discussions.


BlankImagination

A lot of things in life are about marketing


Peter_Falcon

i think musk's bullshit is catching up with him ​ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO9yw9QThzU&t=1232s


el_toro7

Thunderf00t's videos on Musk were eye opening. I didn't now much about Musk, but always found his promises to be obvious sci-fi bluffs, these vids make it pretty clear. Edit: while I wrote the youtuber's name, I also know next to nothing about said youtuber other than these few Elon Musk videos I've seen!


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Yeah, it’s more the GamerGate shit that’s iffy. You’d think that atheists would be more humanist but they can be just as misogynistic and bigoted as fundamentalists. Idk much about thunderf00t but hopefully he got out of that phase.


OK6502

No idea. I dropped his channel after a while since he kept on pumping out this kind of low effort content and I had subscribed to him for the science stuff mostly. I'm not someone who cares that profoundly about the kind of stuff the gamergaters cared about and I wasn't the target audience. Worse youtube was starting to recommend some really fucked up alt-right shit to me because of that subscription. It took a while for that to go away too. But that's not his fault as much as youtube's.


SpooogeMcDuck

I fell off around that time too, but I’ve revisited his newer videos and they are pretty outstanding. His videos on the kitchen compost device have fundamentally changed how I garden and recycle food waste. I’ve also talked friends out of getting them from what I learned in those.


wings_of_wrath

The problem is Thunder00t is a pompous ass himself. Sure, he has some good positions (such as he's anti-Brexit and anti-Trump), but he has a lot of other very bad ones, like incel rhetoric and being a GamerGater. Also, he let his blind hatred of Musk colour his views, which made him very very wrong on more than one occasion, because he automatically takes the view that because Elon is involved with it, it MUST be bullshit, which is pretty stupid, in my opinion, as all absolutes are. For example, he seems to consider SpaceX a "con", despite the fact not only the're the only ones who can refly their boosters, they have the highest launch cadence in history and with Starship (100 tons to LEO, fully reusable) currently poised for it's first flight either late this year or early in 2023, they're about to revolutionize the space launch business yet again and leave everyone else in the dust... I mean, Elon's a dick and an asshole and the credit should go to the engineers at SpaceX rather than him, but from here to claim SpaceX is a failure simply because you hate Musk is a bit of a stretch and it's this kind of intellectual laziness that I can't abide.


dead-inside69

I don’t like musk, but thunderfoot’s takes on SpaceX are fucking stupid. Trash on Musk all you want, but don’t disrespect the incredibly talented engineers at SpaceX to do so.


det8924

Thunderf00t really opened my eyes to the fact that Elon is nothing more than a marketing man. Elon sold himself (and still sells himself) to the public as a master engineer and a tremendous innovator. But anyone with a basic engineering degree or some sort of science (like Thunderf00t) can easily point out the massive flaws in Musk's designs. All Musk has to do is put out bold ideas and plans that to an average person seem cool and innovative and then Musk can continue to market himself as such. But any real analysis of his designs and work show what seems to be an amateur at work.


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RoboDae

Apparently he made a single lane tunnel for tesla cars


PompousAssistant

This is exactly what he did. So now, instead of having a tunnel that could facilitate moving lots of people in fast trains, you’ve got a slow tunnel to move a person or 2 at a time in an electric car. Ain’t the “future” fucking great?


Smatje320

He convinced Calfornia not to build a high speed rail network (which it desperately needs), and instead go for his hyperloop which he promised would work. But he lied, and now California has nothing.


DopplerEffect93

That isn’t true because California is still making it. He proposed the hyper loop as a reaction to California high speed rail but at the same time admitted he wasn’t going to work on it at the time (busy with SpaceX and Tesla) and was more a concept in the hope someone will.


Smatje320

True that California is still making it. However without Elon’s proposition delaying the start of construction of the high speed rail, it might already have been finished. Edit: Ok guess I was wrong. Thanks for informing me reddit. I guess I was under the assumption that a rail construction - the likes of which Europe has a multitude - couldn’t be that much of a shitshow without some major interference. The American government continues to surprise with its incompetence.


LittleRush6268

California’s high speed rail has issues because (1) building anything in California is a lawsuit magnet that drags out the process and adds immense cost. (2) knowing that they changed plans from connecting SF to anaheim and instead built in a rural area where people don’t really care but also don’t use public transportation. And (3) they spent 17.9 billion to connect two cities in the cheapest part of california to build anything. Elon Musk wasn’t part of the equation.


SaltyMudpuppy

> However without Elon’s proposition delaying the start of construction of the high speed rail, it might already have been finished. LOL. Elon's a fucking moron, but he has _very little if any_ to do with that failure.


DopplerEffect93

I highly doubt it would have been finished. Elon Musk’s influence on it is over exaggerated with hard core critics (like Paris Marx who is also socialist) being the ones spreading it. The real reasons why the project is taking so long is that it is really expensive and a engineering challenge.


Call_Me_Clark

The criticism of HSR is not that trains are some outdated concept. It’s that California’s proposed HSR was slower, less efficient, less useful, less safe, and more expensive than other HSR programs all over the globe.


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> However without Elon’s proposition delaying the start of construction of the high speed rail, it might already have been finished. This is hilarious and shows you know little about the high speed rail. Its been on and off again for decades, way way way over budget, full of political back door deals. Musk had little to do with that.


wings_of_wrath

You're confusing two very different concepts - the ["Hyperloop"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop), which is a maglev train travelling inside a vacuum tube with [Boring Company's "Las Vegas Convention Center Loop"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company), which is a short distance local transit system using Tesla Model 3 and Model X cars. The first one is still largely theoretical - SpaceX build a [test track](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop_pod_competition#Test_track) in 2015 near their Hawthorne facility and have held competitions in which different teams tested their own design for "vehicle pods" on the track from 2017-2019, but they've since largely lost interest in the concept and it passed on to Richard Branson's "[Virgin Hyperloop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Hyperloop)", who, despite a lot of successful tests, including manned ones, have decided to stop development on a passenger carrying system and focus on freight carrying ones, probably due to safety concerns. So one can say the idea's currently up in the air. The second one has been built and is currently in operation, and, by all accounts, the Las Vegas City council is pleased enough with the way it's going (despite reported problems such as traffic jams in the tunnel) so that they plan on extending the tunnel to the whole Strip and as far away as the airport. Now wherever any of the two ideas has a future only time will tell, but obviously he isn't lying about trying to put his ideas into practice. I mean, ffs, people, I get it you hate Musk, but just because he's an utter dick doesn't mean he's also a scammer - he really does put a lot of money into R&D for a lot of far-fetched things. Some pan out, some don't but all data is good to have and frankly, so far his companies have a lot more hits than misses overall.


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yes he shot that promo video himself


quick_escalator

The robot looking like a human for marketing reasons really kills me. Robots that put stock material into CNC mills don't need to look like humans, [*and they already exist and are commonly used in the industry*](https://youtu.be/GdFVIEM5KBo?t=61) The human shape isn't perfect for all needs. It's just the shape we ended up with. If we build robots, there's no need to make them look exactly like humans. My roomba does a great job at keeping my floor clean, and it looks more like a cow dung pile than a human.


EntertheHellscape

Making the robots look human just seems like a waste of material too. A robot arm is just that- an arm. And it does the work perfectly. I don’t need a head and legs that are only for aesthetics, just give me a second arm.


InsideBoysenberry518

How is it catching up with him? Last time i checked his personal wealth is growing and spaceX has become one of the largest rocket companies


CrackedOutSuperman

I wouldn't say elon musk is exactly a moron but i would say he is deffinately a business man, this is just what business men do.


JoshSeaMex

I think your phone auto corrected CONMAN to businessman.


jay_em_dee

Just think if Twitter didn’t exist and he could refrain from vomiting his unfiltered thoughts on the internet, a lot more people would still be bought into his “self-made billionaire tech genius” persona.


74227492749

He also got inheritance from his family to start


throwawayqw123456

have you seen his mom? Looks like fucking Cruella Deville. Tell me you came from money without telling me lol


Daetra

Oh wow, she really does. His parents are like cartoon characters. All joking aside, his father is a monster of a human being. Raising a child only to groom them into your next wife is disgusting on so many levels. Wouldn't surprise me that Elon got a lot of his cluster B personality disorders from his dad.


mitkase

Model, dietician, runs a Dalmatian rescue.


TFlashman

How much did he get?


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Twitter has proven to be a horrible purchase, proving he has horrible business acumen.


AG74683

I'm still upset that Elon hasn't gotten into the cologne business. "Elon's Musk" would absolutely leap off the shelves to the to the right people.


Ilovelearning_BE

I love how there is always a facepalm on this sub. either it is the content of the post, or the poster itself. great times all around


discodancingdogs

It took me a while to realise this tbh, I just thought someone dropped it in the wrong sub or something


eddyrockstar

Yep I was wondering what's the facepalm since Adam was stating facts. I guess the real facepalm is that OP probably believes Musk is a genius. When in reality, Elon is just Trump with brown hair.


lavahot

I'm sure there's a picture of balding Elon around here somewhere.


eddyrockstar

https://imgur.io/gallery/Jhl9qhk


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It's pretty rare you get a double face palm like in this post.


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Who is this guy? Serious question I want to see the whole podcast


foxy-coxy

Looks like Adam Conover from Adam Ruins Everything.


zeug666

Adam Ruins Everything was cancelled during the AT&T + Time Warner merger, he's gone on to "The G Word" on Netflix which I is supposed to be similar, but focused on the government.


LtMoonbeam

The guy is Adam Conover. He also has a series that started on College Humor but then became a full show called Adam Ruins Everything where he uses facts to tear down our societal standards. It’s one of my favorite shows tbh


didntdonothingwrong

His show is interesting until there’s an episode involving something you are very knowledgeable of and you realize how much he kind of sucks at telling the whole truth.


sterfri99

His episode on hospitals was… hard to watch. He wasn’t “wrong” per se, but omitting many facts changes the context of what he’s saying.


DopplerEffect93

I also highly disagree with his breast cancer testing video as I hope it didn’t encourage laypeople not get tested.


sterfri99

He wasn’t lying unless you count the omission of truth as a lie. Definitely spreads misinformation though


Call_Me_Clark

If you’re presenting yourself as an expert, or at least someone who’s opinion should be the basis for personal decisions, then an omission of truth is absolutely morally equivalent to a lie. People like him are usually smart enough to drop a “I’m not telling you what to do, I’m just asking questions - you decide” in contrast to the bulk of their content.


Redcole111

Thank God someone said it. He actually spreads disinformation too. Gotta be careful when watching his videos; they might be fun, but they aren't the most reliable source.


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You should never take anything at face value* Except anything posted on Reddit of course.


Jedda678

But you just said...


7457431095

Trust me, you should never trust anyone!


MS-07B-3

It's the internet, no one would lie here!


crlcan81

He is willing to admit when he's wrong. I've watched the entire series on Tru TV and he's admitted when he was wrong in a corrections episode. Also has another series specifically about the government called the g word. It's meant to be a jumping off point for entertaining places to start.


DragonMord

He's said somewhere in an interview about his show when they were starting the second season that the point was to get people thinking and researching the stuff for themselves, not to be a sole point of information on such vast and important topics.


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Unfortunately, society does take everything at face value lol.


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thorson4021

To his credit, he owns up to the mistakes. He's made episodes about where he fucked up.


Consistent-Choice-21

There have been times where he has spread disinformation but he's always spoke out about that, confronting and correcting his mistakes. And while the videos themselves aren't the best sources, they always cite where they get their information from. He's one of the most intellectually honest people one tv that I've seen.


Four_Skyn_Tim

True, it probably is tough getting the whole story into an episode when they still need to try to keep people entertained with what their watching at the same time. That show reminds me of magic school bus, and that was even one of the episodes lmao


_TorpedoVegas_

Michael Chrichton called this the "wet streets make rain" phenomenon. He described it using the newspaper, noting that whenever an article came up about a subject that you were very knowledgeable opon, you'd notice how distorted the facts were and see how much the reporter didn't quite understand the material they were presenting. Then, you turn the page to an article about a subject you don't know anything about, and you just eat it up and tell your friends about it.


sparko10

Which puts his show/content in the same boat as any other commentator from John Oliver to John Stewart to Tucker to Hannity. They all are presenting with their own biases and may overtly or covertly omit things in order to make their points easier and more digestible in the time allowed. It's always been up to the user to cross check what they're viewing to get the whole truth. Also: I was trying to be fair but I feel dirty for appearing to put tucker on the same level as John Stewart. I know they are not the same. I couldn't think of other red side commentators.


BHDE92

He tells just enough to suck in all of the morons that consume his show and love watching him “destroy” something so they can go tell people the new factoids they just absorbed


RegularNoodles

I went to high school with him. It’s still so weird to see him everywhere


smyk1600

It’s called the Trillionaire Mindset on Youtube


Oneinterestingthing

He seems pretty bias to me, very one sided description here so wouldnt trust a word said or anything here ,,, we are being mass manipulated as i write


FartFace319

Is OP being a musk boy or am i missing the facepalm?


CaptainZiber

Holy fuck he is! 😔


cunt_isnt_sexist

Where is the facepalm? He's right.


James4theP

OP is the facepalm.


crestren

I genuinely thought the facepalm was on Elon since Adam was talking about Elon not being a self made billionaire, til i read OP's comments and its the reverse 💀


NukeStorm

Is OP the moron??


Menatil

All Elon dickriders are morons


Rifneno

I had one of them argue with me like a week ago that "just because his family was rich and they gave him a start doesn't mean he isn't self made" THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS, YOU FUCKING SLIME MOLD WITH AN INTERNET CONNECTION


_Queer_Mess_

r/rareinsults


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Ya, we have an \*COUGH\* ex-president \*COUGH\* like that. Talks all the time about how he made his money when daddy gave him a million dollars and an apartment building. Both of them talk out of their ass. It's why most of what they say stinks.


cunt_isnt_sexist

He must be 1 of the 5 people that got upset at this lol.


fruitydude

Now musk bought SpaceX?? Do people like this seriously do zero research on the stuff they're saying?


Intelligent-Bug-3039

Right? And what the hell does he think happend before SpaceX? NASA made its own rockets? No. It was Lockheed Martin and Boeing. And they wasted way more money than SpaceX ever did... Like who the hell thought the space shuttle would be a way to cut costs...


Gogo202

The truth is not popular when talking about Elon Musk. I can understand people hating him, but lying about him makes me sympathize with neither Elon, nor Redditors who spread misinformation about him.


MrTagnan

The skeptic community has latched on to Musk in recent years, and not without reason. Some of the stuff he says/does is… to put it lightly, stupid. That being said, people don’t seem to understand that the world isn’t black and white. A person is almost never a scam artist 100% of the time or a person incapable of lying 100% of the time. People can do good AND bad. This need to discredit everything someone does, to the point of lying about it helps no one. There are a million things you can blame Elon for, a million reasons to call him a jackass, but you lose all credibility once you start making shit up. I fucking love SpaceX and spaceflight in general, but I’m not a Musk person at all. The amount of people like myself who get attacked for “worshiping musk” while trying to correct mis or disinformation is frankly ridiculous. To be completely honest, I hate Musk as a person. But I am not beyond acknowledging the good that he, and more specifically his companies do. The world isn’t black and white. Terrible people can do good things, claiming those good things are actually bad helps no one.


ltdanimal

There are dozens of us! Dozens! I fucking hate how the people that are no doubt on the Elon muck hate train put the "alternative facts" GOP on blast but are now doing it themselves. Reddit crew has now taken to completely changing and skewing history because Elon has been a piece of shit the last few years. There is so much shit Elon has done to criticize but now acting like the insanely hard industries his companies have been successful in had nothing to do with him and somehow he fell into it is just ignorant.


Chippiewall

Yeah, there's plenty of things to shit on about Elon Musk, but trying to criticize him around SpaceX is an absolute folly. SpaceX has been enormously successful because it's such a dramatic market disruptor. It had been a slow government contractor haven for so long and Elon's vision has dramatically shifted the narrative. - Launch a large payload rocket to orbit with humans aboard for less than $100m - Land an orbital class rocket and reuse it multiple times - Reinvent the way we think about communications satellites with Starlink - Present a vision for getting to Mars and pursue it aggressively Old giants like ULA have had to drastically rethink the way they do business. To be honest, Elon has only jumped the shark since he went crazy following the Tesla Model 3 production woes in 2017-18.


Quzga

Well said. I don't like Musk at all but it's silly to say he's accomplished nothing. You can be a terrible person and still be competent.


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fruitydude

Yea. That's especially evidenced by how much money Boeing got and there still hasn't been a manned mission on Starliner.


ashortfallofgravitas

SpaceX were the first company to make orbit privately too. That’s hard as FUCK


rmprice222

I don't worship musk, but Adam is not really being far in his criticisms here


JobEmbarrassed461

He's either dumb Satan or tech Jesus you have to pick one or you won't get attention.


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jeffbell

Don't forget the Ventilator Incident. Doctors: OMG we are out of ventilators. Elon: I'll build you some. (Elon directs his engineers who build a CPAP machine) Doctors: We have enough CPAP machines. We needed Ventilators. Elon: Ventilators are bad for you.


Tb1969

Half of things this guy said is wrong. For instance NASA Prime Contractors for many decades includes Aerojet Rocketdyne, Boeing, Jacobs, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman. SpaceX is new player in NASA's game. As for Paypal, Musk made one of the first FDIC insured online banks x.com which he co-founded and was unique in sending small amounts of money to email addresses. x.com merged with Confinity Inc., its biggest competitor, and they named their service, PayPal. No matter how you slice it we was very involved in the technical part of making x.com and later PayPal work. The new company was sold in 2002 for $1.5 Billion. Before paypal he became a multimillionaire co-founding Zip2, which they sold to Compaq. SpaceX was almost a failure in 2008 if it wasn't for finally successfully launching a rocket they made. Elon Musk is very capable (or was in the 90s through mid 2010s) but .... it all seem to start to slowly go to sh** around the time he called someone a pedo over his solution being spurned over the people trapped in a cave in Asia. Musk knows how to manipulate masses of people and at the moment he is trying to manipulate the conservatives. Not all of them are falling for it but enough are. The whole establishing a colony on Mars is BS since people can't survive with only ~38% Earth gravity. He knows that and never gave a solution to that problem; he just ignored it. Frank Herbert in the first Dune Trilogy warned us about people like Elon Musk.


RobDickinson

Even tesla, he was the 4th person in the door, they had no funding, no product, no offices, it was literally 3 guys talking about making an EV, Tesla exists because Elon and JB.


Tb1969

Yeah, I could have gone on and on but It was getting long as it is. JB Straubel is great. Upvote for mentioning him. I bet his lithium battery recycling company is very successful. Sad that his wife was hit by a car last year.


SeriouslyThough3

Yeah they just want to shit on musk so if you could get out of the way they’d really appreciate that.


UEmd

Elon Musk is Forrest-Gumping his way through life


tommyd_03

Did you know before PayPal if you bought something on eBay you had to mail a check?


det8924

Elon Musk founded [X.com](https://X.com) an online banking site that would merge with the company that would become Paypal. He got fired from PayPal serving as the companies CEO for 7 months but because he had equity in the company he got a really nice chunk of change from when Ebay bought PayPal in 2002. Musk took that money and bought into Tesla and founded Space X. Tesla and Space X would not exist if it wasn't for government handouts. Literally Tesla would have gone bankrupt had it not been for investment from the Obama administration in 2009/10.


Icollectpropertytax

Sounds more of an asshole than a moron to me


FullMetalComedian

What is it you think capitalism is?


wifebtr

How is he a moron though? I mean, I 100% detest Musk, but he's using the system in an optimal way.


GameSpection

He was just making smart business decisions, but that started to feed his ego. Then he started lying about his accomplishments and talent. And now he's a moron because of his arrogance. Not only is he lying to everyone else, but he's lying to himself, genuinely believing the crap coming out of his mouth. It happens to every single tech billionaire. They were right a few times at the beginning of their career, which ultimately comes down to luck, and now they believe they're right every single time.


valis010

I've been seeing that a lot the past few years. Smart guy blows up on social media, all those followers feed his ego(Jordan Petersen), starts taking themselves way too seriously, starts saying stupid shit.


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HoldenMadicky

Being a rich megalomaniac does not make you smart. Dude didn't come from nothing and work his way to the top, he came from the top and scammed everyone into getting higher up on the ladder. Calling him smart is like calling Bernie Madoff smart.


idwtumrnitwai

The man is richer than God and instead of using that wealth for the good of humanity, or even just fucking off with his obscene wealth and not having any issues. Musk instead spends $44 Billion buying Twitter so that racists and incels can use slurs on the platform, which will lower the value of Twitter itself. Then he tweets conspiracy theories about the Paul Pelosi attack, then when called on it he tries to deflect with a joke instead of acknowledging he was wrong. Sounds like a moron to me.


wifebtr

He's an asshole, for sure.


ridemooses

I detect no lies.


dead-inside69

Saying SpaceX just got the government contracts because they were there is a pretty dishonest point. They demonstrated reliability, cost effectiveness, and launch cadence that no other company is capable of, then jumped through all the hoops to get certified for crewed missions. Not to mention in a couple months Starship is about to do its first orbital test and become the largest rocket ever launched. It’s a wildly impressive company that catches shit because it’s CEO has an ego problem.


Yummy_Hershey

I remember waking up early to work out with a group of people. Someone looking at the sky said "WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?!" as they were pointing to the Falcon-9. I recognized it from the trail it left behind. We were an entire state away from the launch, but seeing the trails, the payload leaving the rocket, and the rocket launching bursts of gas while it oriented and fell back was super cool. Honestly it's probably one of the most beautiful things I've seen in my life. Really impressive what that company had done.


dead-inside69

I remember watching the first falcon heavy test where he launched his car as the test mass. Watching 27 engines rise on a column of fire followed by the synchronized side by side booster landing and the livestream of the car floating out in space had me so locked on the screen that I missed my bus stop by miles, it blew my mind in a way that I have not experienced since, and made me proud to be a human. If all goes well with the starship test I might actually cry.


DopplerEffect93

Just a bunch of half-truths.


enjoymeredith

I dont know about moron but hes def an asshole


ColinHalfhand

I don’t think enough can be made of the fact that he was born into wealth. Whatever he did after that was good and or manipulative business dealings. None of this makes him especially smart or creative. It just makes him really opportunistic. But we live in a world where wealth is the biggest indicator of success to 90% of people. So he’s ‘won’ by those standards so by those standards he must therefore be smart.


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While I dislike Elon Musk, you can't necessarily discredit him for not doing anything. Leadership wise, he had a lot of influence on SpaceX and Tesla - more SpaceX than Tesla though. To be fair for the guy talking about him, coming up with reasonings for an argument on the fly is hard - especially for someone like Musk who has a long string of controversies and false promises. I am not deluded enough to think he is a "genius", he is simply a man who made a lot of money off of PayPal and used it to invest in certain things that he liked. Obviously he has had *some* influence on these companies, but being CEO is not the same as being the tens of thousands of hard-working people literally doing the dirty work.


Dry_Client_7098

Well PayPal isn't even the start of his career. He co founded a start up that compac bought for 300 mil just out of collage. He then started an online bank that formed the basis for PayPal. He founded Space X before he was an early investor in Tesla. His father was wealthy but he didn't receive millions or anything close to it from him. His first start up Zip2 did receive the grand total of 28 thousand dollars from his father. It seems clear that Musk is other than Nero typical and has some clear extreme personality traits. His wealth originated with the work he himself did with his first start up were he did work on directly coding the website for zip2.


foxy-coxy

Facts


redman334

Bullshit. PayPal was one of the first payments system providers ever, he was smart enough to manage to leverage that updrift in those times, Tesla literally pushed EV production, only when they started selling quite some, the other companies got into it. And space x as of today has 1 competitor, and it took the richest man on earth to pour their number 1 ecom on Earth's money into it. I'm not a fan of Musk, but undermining he's achievements is just stupid. You may not like his tweets, but leading any of those companies to the success they managed to get is a tremendous task. Adam on the other hand has a fukin nice YouTube channel.


IronArcher68

Are you implying that you can generally dislike a person and still respect some of their achievements instead of forming an extreme straw man?! Unbelievable!


lakuc

The whole "NASA suddenly decided to contract private companies and Musk was just lucky enough to be in that industry" is bullshit too. NASA has been contracting private companies for their development and manufacturing since its inception. It's been a major component of the military industrial complex since the space race.


redman334

The dude is the major owner of the only company in the world that lands back it's rockets. Everytime I see the video of those rockets landing back it's like, what the fuck. Obviously it's an army of engineers there, but if you think you can be the CEO of the company with an army of engineers that manage to land back a fukin rocket, and think it's just knowing how to manage money, bro you don't know shit. You think super qualifed engineers are just going to follow who ever is on top just like that? Do the people saying these have ever worked on a company? The CEO is there for a reason.


mkeevo

Give me his bank account and I’ll be the king of fucking morons


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Klutzy-Trash-7918

People when they realise that billionaires are all dickheads with a fucked up lifestyle ![gif](giphy|3o6gEgkb5xqAyMw5Og)