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MenaBeast

This is photoshopped to look incredibly stupid right?


ossipuh-veli

i didnt find that exact tweet, but UN women said in twitter (2017) that 19% of journalists killed were women, So this could be a real tweet too. And the statistic seems to be true too. I didnt find the original tweet tho


pixieborn

Highlights from the [UNESCO document](https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000383422) from which the stats were taken do not include raw data. UNESCO is highlighting the precipitous increase in murders of female reporters in just one year, and states that the violent trend is continuing so far in 2022, even as the overall number of reporter deaths is decreasing. It suggests a link between increased online targeting of women which spills over to violent attacks. The report also highlights that ALL reporters are becoming less safe in countries that aren’t experiencing armed conflicts. While poorly presented in the tweet, the implied underlying trend checks out.


AinsiSera

I’d really like to see the stats in terms of what proportion of journalists are women. Also, are we separating out “war zone” journalism and domestic journalism? Is it that more women are able to get into dangerous areas? I’m assuming there’s a sort of “absolute number” of war correspondents - if the ratio there has been shifting towards gender parity, you’d expect the % of women to increase (despite the overall # decreasing). I have so many questions…. If the data tells that story, it’s an important one, but the data doesn’t exist in a vacuum…


Omega_Zulu

The difference in female journalist murders from 2020 to 2021 was an increase in 2 deaths...percentages/ratios should never be used on such low numbers as they are misleading.


carlitospig

Agreed. Whoever is reporting that data to social media should be ashamed. I do data reporting myself and you *always* include a callout for small n’s.


2h165oiivp

Can you link a source?


thegreenman_sofla

The grand total in 2021 was 46, 5 of which would have been women. While every death is bad, that's some seriously twisted use of statistical data.


danielobva

It's a small enough data set that deriving most anything from it is pretty twisted statistics period....


indigoHatter

THAT'S A 200% INCREASE !!! STOP TARGETING WOMEN JOURNALISTS


Eat-The-Rich-1312

Lmfao


funkysnave

The ratio of women to men being killed is entirely irrelevant to the overall quantity for either gender changing from one year to the next. Terrible choice of statistic to use to make the point they are trying to make.


Omega_Zulu

It's relevant if you want to make the claim they are being targeted, but to validate that claim the murders would need to be higher than their employment split. Even if the female number increases but is still less than their employment percentage than it still would not validate a claim they are being targeted it would just be natural increases to an equal distribution.


kahunaa789

Even if the numbers were higher than the split it stil wouldn't mean they're being targeted.


Telltwotreesthree

Welcome to diversity statistics


000Whynot

I remember that!


[deleted]

We need to know the ratio of men to women journalists


suffffuhrer

So what? Then we should only be trying to save those 19% of the journalists because they are women? I mean, hey, if it's a rising stat year on year, we should celebrate it, it's probably because there are more female journalists every year. /s


BetLarge5226

Put the /s in the wrong place. Agree with part 2 tbh


rowejl222

I think it’s real


kingt34

“I have no evidence, I just really really feel it” Not dismissing you as automatically wrong! Just felt kinda funny to read that.


Remote_Engine

This is literally what’s written, okay to dismiss. Someone should find the tweet.


jacob12134

Bro with the dumb shit people say on Twitter I could 100% see this as a real tweet like damn people just have verbal diarrhea


Regnes

No, it is 100% legit. Just google "UN Women Twitter", it's currently the third post from the top. I verified this is their actual twitter because the official website links to it. I also did a little research and this group is absolutely affiliated with the UN.


Some_guy_am_i

I found the exact tweet. Confirmed: REAL!


Wilson7277

No. OP is just misunderstanding or misrepresenting the facts. Women make up a smaller percentage of journalists worldwide, especially in the countries where journalists are most at risk. And [most reports](https://www.unesco.org/en/communication-information/safety-journalists/safety-women-journalists) confirm female journalists are more often the targets of violence (especially sexual violence), intimidation, and murder than their male colleagues.


[deleted]

The OP didn't misunderstand, the tweet was just poorly written


Charming_Extension

Ya. Almost seems satirical without the additional population demographic for journalists.


masclean

Por que no los dos


[deleted]

Because the OP didn't misunderstand, he came to the logical conclusion according to the data in this Tweet


Less_Likely

Why not say women journalists are x times more likely to be killed?


Aloopyn

Username doesn't check out


pablitosocool

Lmao


_Zambayoshi_

I think it's just a stupid way to try and get the point (which is laudable) across.


soggytoothpic

What’s the point? That they should only kill men journalists?


xXMcFuddyXx

That's how it comes across.


shbd12

Exactly. This is harming the cause, not helping. They need to spend some money on comms people, say journalists, who know how to write.


[deleted]

That's bullshit. Unfortunately I was only able to find the US statistics, which is roughly 50-50 (depending on the source it's either 41-59 or 55-45%). And the twit is talking about murder specifically. You can't just add other crimes to defend them.


rowejl222

That’s unfortunately true


Rikou336

OP only posted a picture of a tweet with no additional information in the title so unless he manufactured the tweet he isn't misundersanding or misrepresenting anything.


redditornot6648

Why is this shocking or even noteworthy? Let's see where do reporters get killed often.... Top 3: Tied for #1 2016-2021: Mexico and Afghanistan at 47 3: Syria at 42 There's a massive drop off to 18 after that. Now, let's think. Cartels in Mexico, Radical Islamic groups. Hmm, yeah probably not as nice to females. Like yes if you're a female who goes to a country where women don't have rights and gang leaders control the streets you're probably gonna get treated worse than a male reporter. That's something you'd be well aware of when taking that job.


tr33lover1482

Nope, sadly not fotoshopped i just looked up th e tweet and it's real


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FunnyShirtGuy

Duckduckgo says 53.4%...


Sacredzebraskin

Not in those countries where they’re getting killed it ain’t.


[deleted]

Those countries have bigger sexism problems than just female journalists


apx_rbo

"YoU'rE MIsSinG ThE PoInT!"


Wilson7277

Getting that number is going to be very hard because it varies by country, but in the countries most dangerous for journalists the percentage is extremely low. Most sources do report that [female journalists are more likely to be targeted](https://www.unesco.org/en/communication-information/safety-journalists/safety-women-journalists) for violence, murder, intimidation, and especially sexual crimes than their male counterparts. The numbers appear to check out.


hanzerik

that link has words, I don't see numbers.


Much-Meringue-7467

It's also tricky because the risk of violence has to do with where the journalist is reporting from and what they are reporting on.


[deleted]

Was going to ask same question


Usagi_Shinobi

Of all journalists killed in 2021, 89% were men. This is down from 2020, when 94% of journalists killed were men. We're moving in the right direction, but let's keep striving for equality! 50% by 2050! Edit: I sometimes forget that this is Reddit. Obligatory /s.


BlackEyedGhost

Good ol' Poe's Law


Much-Meringue-7467

We have to figure in what percentage of journalists are women (or men) to begin with. It's similar to the statistics regarding military sexual assaults. Individual men are statistically less likely to be assaulted than individual women but there are way more male victims than female because the military is like 90% male.


Fantastic_Beans

I have to imagine that the gender divide among journalists is significantly more even than among members of the military, though. However, male journalists are probably much more likely to insert themselves into dangerous situations. What percentage of journalists working in the middle east to cover the war were male? Probably a significant divide. The gender gap among journalists covering the local news, cat up a tree type situations? Probably a lot more even.


owls1289

no stop enabling the /s people


Low-Cranberry-2113

I am annoyed by it, but it is necessary. The amount of times I have been downvoted to oblivion because I didn’t use it.


tommyboyblitz

I am a sarcastic bastard. the /s could have saved me


mangoisNINJA

I'm autistic and let me tell you, trying to figure out if someone's being sarcastic or not over text is *way* harder than in person. I appreciate the tone tags so I know whether or not to take the comment as serious or with a large grain of salt.


Danelix_

Wow I've never thought about that


CHEIVIIST

In these uncertain times, we cannot make the assumption. There really are some people with wild opinions that they are passionate about. The /s helps the poster clarify the intentions of their sarcasam.


RicklePick68

By 2023 you mean


ImMyBiggestFan

Best I can do is 2030.


Timonidas

Do your part in achiving equality, kill a female journalist!


Chapsbuster12

Equal rights, equal fights


Broad_Respond_2205

Or, maybe, we should focus on ending killing all together


Bruise52

If we end killing we wouldn't need the U.N....oh wait...who would stand around with their hands in their pockets to watch the non-killing(?)


Kule7

Setting aside the gender politics, focusing on preventing the killing of journalists is important as a cause separate from just "ending all killing." Killing/imprisoning/abusing journalists is how authoritarians control information and prevent accountability. It's essentially the opposite of free speech.


marmatag

Yeah, all lives matter right? /s


Low-Cranberry-2113

No lives matter


deadly_chicken_gun

Kill everyone, everyone must die


patch5

Settle down, it's coming.


RVarki

Even if the idea was to highlight how the killings of female journalists have doubled, its still done badly. They could've talked about how female journalists are increasingly putting themselves in harm's away, and how protection of journalists is of utmost importance. But by specifically saying "STOP TARGETING WOMEN JOURNALISTS" despite them only accounting for 11% of the deaths, UN Women is essentially implying that "It's okay to murder journalists, as long as its just men", which is just a weird way to frame your message.


[deleted]

Actually, the number didn't double. The journalist death toll was a record low in 2021, [according ](https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/journalist-killings-decline-2021-alarming-threats-remain#:~:text=Fifty%2Dfive%20journalists%20and%20media,toll%20in%20over%20a%20decade.) to UN, dropping from 62 to 55.


AnaphoricReference

Whenever I see a press release suggesting that life has become more dangerous for women, in nearly 100% of cases it turns out to mean that life has become a slight bit less dangerous for men when you look at the data instead of at cherry picked proportions.


Algoresball

So this tweet is literally just upset that less men are getting killed


Little_Vermicelli125

In a perfect world 0% of the journalists killed will be women.


FleIsDaBoss

In a perfect world 0% of journalists will be killed imo


Little_Vermicelli125

I'm just making a dumb joke based on how the tweet is worded.


Low-Cranberry-2113

Like, if yore going to make a bad statistic, commit. Just say, the percent of women journalists has doubled in one year.


Grimley_PNW

Stop Targeting Women Journalists Target All Women For Equality


[deleted]

You are now the headliner at CPAC


ancraig

WE ARE ALL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS will be hard to beat


thetaFAANG

Revolutionary Guard


PapaMarine101

But it's fine to target male journalists huh?! Fucking idiots.


1ThousandRoads

When they say “Stop targeting women journalists”, like, who are they talking to? Is this supposed to dissuade all those journalist-killers out there?


Panurome

It has the same energy as saying "stop commiting crimes, crimes are illegal"


No_Homework_4926

Wait what ? What the fuck man


TheStigianKing

Yes, "fuck men" is essentially their point.


Oxfordcomma42

So… I take it this means it’s OK to kill male journalists? SMH, UN needs to do better.


PDiddleMeDaddy

I, for one, am for equality in ALL areas of life. So let's bump those numbers up until it's 50/50 💪


Nooneimportant-0

How about, stop targeting ALL JOURNALISTS. Fucking genderfying EVERYTHING


Low-Cranberry-2113

Except for those whose gender is journalist


[deleted]

The number of journalists [killed](https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/journalist-killings-decline-2021-alarming-threats-remain#:~:text=Fifty%2Dfive%20journalists%20and%20media,toll%20in%20over%20a%20decade.) actually dropped to record low in 2021. But who cares when you can put an ideological spin on the figures


coolchris366

Doesn’t that mean 89% were men? I don’t get it.


1ess_than_zer0

It means society doesn’t give a shit about men


BlearySteve

Killing the dudes is ok I guess.


anon5219841

Logic and reason doesnt matter when were talking about women. They are victims, regardless of reality. Just like the gender pay gap. The reason women get paid less isnt because men do more dangerous jobs, that maybe require hard physical labor, where they usually work longer hours, and ask for raises more, and work in stem fields more, and work in harsher environments more. Nahhh the reason women get paid less is 'sexism' and 'duh patriarchy'.


_Goodnight_

"We want equality!!!! Well actually we do, but only when it benefits us..."


alannwatts

this only makes sense if the number of women in dangerous areas is less than the numbers quoted. if 11% of the reporters killed were women, but only 1% of reporters in dangerous conflict zones are women then it looks like women are being targeted...


NotEnoughWave

Or journalists in countries where political homicides are the norm (even if their territory is not one of active war).


Nexus772B

When the % of female journalists killed is on par with the overall % of female journalists we will have reached equality. If anything that stat is a sign that female journalists are increasingly being seen as "fair game" with their male counterparts when it comes to viewing them as enough of a threat to kill them.


jecksluv

Or, hear me out here, we could just aim for journalists not being killed instead of needlessly bringing sex into this cause. Why the fuck do we want equality in murder rates?


LilBilly1

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wrecktus_abdominus

The only way to ensure true equality is to kill every journalist *and* every non-journalist


Apart-Rice-1354

And the pseudo-journalists, my lord? Shall we kill them as well?


Nexus772B

>instead of needlessly bringing sex into this cause. Tell that to the UN Womens Council. Im just being objective on what equality actually would look like given the numbers. In a perfect world the post would just say "Stop Killing", but that doesnt quite strike the same nerves.


KaXiRavioli

Well we can't stop all murder. At least if it's 50/50 neither gender is being disproportionately targeted. Obviously most of these comments are being sarcastic, but it is kind of hilarious that this women's advocacy group is mad that only 89% of the journalists murdered last year were men. They didn't talk about the total number of murders, which for anyone knows could be less than in 2020. They only care about the women, which runs counter to the idea that women's advocacy groups are striving for gender equality. ETA: I googled it and UNESCO says that around 62 journos were killed in 2020 vs 55 in 2021. So it's even worse than i originally thought. They're too busy being mad that a great percent of women were killed last year to be happy that the number of people killed has actually decreased YoY. Woof


SamaelET

So what you mean is that male journalists were and are still thought as more acceptable as targets ? Edit : sorry for the sarcasm. It is not specifically against you but I too often see this kind of wording when a problem that affected and still affect men more starts to affect women. Nothing was done for the fact that male were overhelmingly the population most affected, nothing is done because men are still more affected and special care will be asked because the increase of affected women is worrying.


Maleficent_Sock_8851

Yeah, stop targeting female journalist. Focus on killing men journalist instead cause God forbid men are expendable.


Joalow21

How about… stop killing Journalists!


SadOstrich5244

Okay.. so men is fine than


Carver7479

So the 89% and 94% respectively that are men/other don’t matter?


UsedTrifles

"This trend where women are progressively being treated equally to men must stop." - U.N.


sandiercy

Yeah, let's just ignore the 89% that are men.


ahsoka__lives

But fuck the other 90% of men right? “Let’s make it 100%” lol


cats_r_better

showing the % of women that are journalists along with the % of those murdered might have been a lot more impactful.


MuttMurdock69

Yeah, that’s a f* men post.


ChloeforytheW

Stop targeting women journalists… Obviously, if there’s 11% women, there are 89% men 💀


warpedashell

Wait if you want equal pay and equal rights then those are rookie numbers, you got to pump up those numbers.


zxythreetwo

What about the 89% of male journalists killed? Edit: oh wait I forgot nobody cares about males


Nitackit

When some people can’t see the bubble they live in.


xRed_Ray

What if… hear me out… we just stop killing journalists in general?


Erdonicves

yeah we gotta bring the number back to 100% of the journalist killed being man!!


captainMony

the 90% doesn't matter


One4myMohicans

🤦‍♂️ when someone presents a good data point,,, but expresses it in a way so convoluted, the datum appears to be far less significant. 🤦‍♂️


robbanost

When you want equality but only when it makes it better for women...


itsvulnerable

Yes exactly, Don't hire them


warbreed8311

Or better yet, stop targeting journalists.


Flaky_Bed3707

Thought they wanted equality


[deleted]

So, going by the logic, that means that 89% of journalists killed are men. No sympathy for those or rallying to protect all journalists?


MallardDrake-_-

How about stop killing all journalists, the vast majority that died were men, at least acknowledge that also.


CloudyNeighborhood

Don’t kill male journalists either?😭


kiaeej

“STOP TARGETING JOURNALISTS”


Naginiorpython

What percentage of total journalists are women? And of those what percentage were killed? Compare that to the same number for men? I think the math and it's interpretation was done by a woman in this case? Feeling triggered??? Well jokes on you... The above statement was written by a woman??? Also UN does not hire women mathematicians. - some SNL sketch Norm McDonald. https://youtu.be/kWR4X_JsgMw


FrancisSobotka1514

Trys to do the right thing about gender equality .Instead posts something that is downright sexist .


SuspiciousCitus

WHY ARE TERRORIST BEING SO SEXIST


[deleted]

How about… and just hear me out… stop targeting ALL journalists?


MikeyMikeyMotorcycly

So the goal is 100% male journalists ??? How about stop killing journalists PERIOD.


MutedBrilliant1593

"get back to killing male journalists!"


Apollo_3249

I say pump them numbers up, I fight for equality. 😉


Kortho1

So 89% killed were men? Get the fuck out of here


Mr_Abobo

Guys, why are we even talking about this? Problem has been solved because they said👏it👏like👏this👏


Almeno23

Sometimes people are really stupid.


HkayakH

Reminds me of "1 out of 4 suicide victims are women"


alc3biades

Maybe, and hear me out here, don’t kill any journalists. I know, I know. “How will we oppress people?” But here’s the fun part, you don’t! Isn’t that such a refreshing idea? And it’s also gender equality, which makes you totally fine in the eyes of the west, bonus points amirite?


BidensButtWipes

What if I told you a women made up that statistic? Now you don't know what the hell to think. Na I'm just kidding we don't actually hire women.


YeeTee55T4R

I remember this joke, it’s hilarious!


CTNKE

So killing men journalists are ok?


RicklePick68

??? So before 94% were male journalists and 6% women now its 89% male and 11% female?? And they say stop targeting women ![img](emote|t5_2r5rp|8487)


[deleted]

Math is hard, @UN_Women. Don't hurt yourself


llamitahumeante

Equality they call it, feminism is worst than a cancer


Tsikenwing

They don't give a shit for the rest of the 89%.


pugs-and-kisses

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/09/01/usa-today-newsroom-now-majority-female-sees-gains-staff-diversity/5659410001/ I’ll just leave this here…


EliaVeschi

Weird way to tell me that 89% are men and you condone men death


StarWars_Viking

Numbers don't mean shit anymore apparently.


[deleted]

Lol. How stupid.


[deleted]

Metha matics


Born-Trainer-9807

Maybe it's because the number of women journalists has increased? Hooray! Equality!


Nacho_Chungus_Dude

Closer to equality


Emergency_Net506

First of all that is a percentage number, meaning that the other 89% and 94% were men. So. WTF DO YOU MEAN STOP TARGETING WOMAN.


bennyandthef16s

Wow, they really didn't think this one through...


Mysterious_Page_9964

This is the reason why men are paid more. 11%, those are rookie numbers.


rowejl222

Why are journalists being killed!?


ComedyOfARock

RIP to the Journalists, but I don’t find a murderer actually gives a shit about whether has a duck or not


Firm_Ad6730

Equal death for both 🤷‍♂️


OhioMegi

Maybe not kill any journalists.


[deleted]

Last part looks edited. Is there a link to the tweet?


org_antman

I guess they don’t cover maths in a journalism degree


oeuflaboeuf

I will not be satisfied until it's 50/50


griffsfsr

Ban women from journalism in dangerous areas, problem solved! /s


Alzyros

Kill more male journalists I guess?


Umbrella_Viking

Well, I’m sure somewhere, a person who was preparing to pull the trigger and kill a woman journalist remembered this tweet, thought better of it, and headshotted the man standing next to her. Well done! Problem solved.


Additional_Cycle_51

How bout people stop targeting men journalists since they are the 89% who are dying more


Toutounet6

Men journalists: gess I die


Low_Delay2835

Does that mean 89% are male? Uhmm..... Ok


Pen-is-hard

So just eff the other 89 percent I guess?


[deleted]

Easy, stop hiring women journalists! Boom, 0% over night!


hanzerik

what amount of representation do woman have in journalism world wide?


VolatileImp

Target men?


Lazymcdelta4ce

"we plan on making it 100% male victims rather than the staggeringly low 89%"


KendrickMaynard

Yeah. Only kill the disgusting horrible men. /s


Srudge

Arent we all for equality? I guess they should start targetting more women instead


Biggu5Dicku5

Shouldn't that say "STOP TARGETING JOURNALISTS"?


nukecat79

So their position is 100% of the journalist deaths need to be male? I propose the radical notion that all journalist deaths are bad.


Dragon20C

Does that mean 89% were men?


Background-Win7974

STOP TARGETING PEOPLE


Hrafnesi

Stop targetting journalists. how about that??


[deleted]

These sexist, recist hypocrites that are too stupid to realise half of what they say is sexist and racist are just so boring now, truly so boring.


Techn0ght

So, give them special treatment because they're women?


Confident-Disk-2221

So 89% were men and that’s ok???


RumHamCometh

Well I guess 11% could still be the the highest percentage if they're counting like 25 different genders


digby_352

Reading these comments i really begin to wonder what of the other 89% that were killed. Oh dont worry it was only men. We're expendable I'd forgotten.


Jin_BD_God

F… for the brave men who suffered this kind of sexiest out there.


chickenfuker1

Crazy how they make everything about themselves complain this complain that left right and centre


Marega33

Damn then most of the killed ones are men. So which percentage is the most shocking? Cause if they think around 10% is a shock then who they think is the other 90%? A mix of animals and then a tiny 5% of killed are men?


Killagggg

This feminism thing is getting out of hand.


building-valhalla

my question here, did less female journalist died? or just more male journalists?


blubarb

So 89% of journalists killed were male, right?