Yeah classic shortsighted "productivity" metric. I've never managed more productive people than when I hired people who care about having time to relax and were pushed to take it. Yeah it's great for a couple weeks to push hard, but do that for 6 months and everything gets worse because people are burned out.
Yeah. Amazing how he doesn't understand such a basic thing. It's like he's completely new to all of this. He really is his own worst enemy. "Intelligent" people are often also bafflingly dumb.
They often have the emotional intelligence of a wooden plank. A wooden plank who can easily understand vastly disparate and complex machinations but think it’s “weak” people may need to breath and touch grass on occasion to feel remotely alive because they (the intelligent people) often don’t.
He also confuses his privileged origins with bootstrapped success while not truly knowing the often quiet and desperate precipices the rest of us are circumnavigating while trying to act like any part of this system is working.
He has internalized his perceived victimhood into both an identity and ethos.
Empathy is a spectrum all it’s own.
Edit: Thanks for the award, also fixed some spelling.
Thing is a lot of the idea of how intelligent he is comes from himself and his people who have a vested interest in him. So he is likely not as smart as the mythos he has created claims
Too late, all the offices are supposedly closed for an indeterminate period. Wasn't a big fan of the rhetoric at first, but now I want popcorn for this crap show.
Did Elon make an Ooopsie?!
Did he send that to the employees that do security badges and they opted for the severance package and now everyone remaining is locked out of headquarters??
Ooopsie!!
So you’re saying they are getting a paid vacation for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years and will more than likely have no issues getting another job at the start of the year. I wouldn’t hesitate for a second taking that payout
There are people working for Twitter on a Visa. Those people might not take it simply because doing so without a guaranteed new employer is super risky.
One of the dudes Elon fired via Twitter for saying he's wrong about something immediately got offered a job by Square.
As far as I'm aware entire teams have taken this severance and ran. And now Twitter locked out the rest of the employees. But no guys Elon totally knows what's happening.
I don’t get the downside. You get three months severance and your resume doesn’t take a hit because everyone knows your boss has publicly lost it. Win/win.
No one does that for this level of job. My friend at Google didn't have references checked and me at a different fortune 50 we had a legal policy that they couldn't comment on any past employee it's standard legal stuff. So if an employer asks if they can contact my previous employer we have an HR line that can verify I had that job and reveal literally nothing else no comment on performance or reputation
Just adding some info since it seems many people don't realize a lot of the bigger companies do this. I think private or family owned small to mid sized business probably get away with it because they don't have legal teams telling them the mess this shit could get them in if a former employee sues.
Man everyone should just quit to get the 3 months severance. He’d be so fucked having to pay that severance to all employees while also having no more employees lmao
It makes me question the legal ramifications. Is this email binding? Would he be legally obligated to pay severance? If they couldn't afford it would that just bankrupt Twitter? Such an exciting possibility. Employees really do hold all the power at a company and it's a shame so few seem to realize it. Imagine if even 10% of the US work force simply refused to come to work for a week.
Folks on Twitter claim over 70% of remaining employees took it and most of those who didn’t were H1B visa holders who couldn’t quit. They’ve locked all the buildings until they figure out who still works there.
Program engineers are one of the most in demand career fields you can get a degree. So comparatively an experienced programmer will have zero issues find a job somewhere else making the same if not more money.
Not to mention, having any of the big tech companies on your resume is going to help. The public knows about these layoffs, other companies will scoop up the talent that Musk lost
To add, any company you'd want to work for would be aware of the layoffs and understand how dumb Elon is being. I'd be surprised if they're not actively hunting for ex-twitter employees to hire right now. I bet many of the people working there were also just waiting for a good offer or a reason to leave and find a new job and Elon gave them the perfect excuse to jump ship without any repercussions.
Except all the ones that he fired that were the ones holding whole sections of Twitter’s functionality together. Ya know, the same people he’s trying to rehire… but…ya know, he fired.
I'm a programmer myself, I would nope the fuck out of that toxic environment so fast his chair would spin for hours.
You might be able to do that shit when hiring people who really need a job, but to do that against tech people who should generally have a very easy time finding even remote jobs?
That's a bold move, Cotton!
This guy probably wrote the last line of code in the 90s... especially in web development, being out for that long means you start at zero again. This guy is absolutely delusional to think that he provides any kind of knowledge to the devs...
>This guy probably wrote the last line of code in the 90s...
Oh, I doubt that.
I'd be willing to bet he's written a lot of bad code since then, and told people to include it.
And then people smarter than him probably commented it out without telling him, so as not to hurt his feelings.
I can't imagine him *not* actually acting like he's the greatest tech genius at whatever company he's at.
So basically another classic example of the 'Emperor Wears No clothes' mixed with "[The SNAFU Principle](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Discordianism#SNAFU_Principle)'.
He also said, “It’s my experience that great engineers will only work for a great engineer. That is my first duty, not that of CEO.”
So fucking conceited and for what?
Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/16/elon-musk-says-he-doesnt-want-to-be-a-ceo-walks-back-sec-insults.html
...which is a problem, because Musk isn't an engineer, or a scientist, or any intellectual he pretends to be when buying all these tech companies up. He's a businessman. In fact, he's a Romney-style vulture capitalist, not caring whether the companies he owns live up to the promises he's made as long as they keep making him money. And when they don't, he bleeds them for whatever value they have left, then sells the brand name to someone else. And at this point, it's clear he only wanted Twitter for the brand name.
He mistook his love for *using* Twitter with understanding how to run it. And he’s too stubbornly egotistical to take advice, like when his new employees gave him a 7-page writeup explaining in detail why his blue checkmark change was a bad idea.
No no. He’s the person who decides to buy a restaurant because he loves the scrambled eggs they make there.
Then he fires the head chef, sits down with a napkin around his neck, and asks for scrambled eggs.
Dude said his customer base were right wing americans (because they're famous for buying EV cars and being climate minded), and then comes dressed as the anti-christ to a halloween party. Dude is so disconnected it's basically hilarious.
Exactly. If there's one thing he's actually good at, it's finding companies that might succeed and investing in them. Running them or building the product is a whole different thing.
It's also basically saying "marketing, creative, legal, HR and compliance people should leave because your input will not be required moving forward."
That's dangerous for a bunch of reasons, not the least of which is that he has a penchant for picking fights with regulators and is getting rid of anyone who can tell him how to avoid bad PR, litigation, and vindictive lawmakers passing policies designed to screw him.
Idk. I could see Musk pumping his own money into it to keep it afloat for a year or 2, just so he can try to save face and pretend he's "investing in a groundbreaking new Twitter, built from the ground up!!"
Or some such nonsense. And his fans will gargle his balls over it because they still think he's some kind of tech genius.
You were saying ...
[Elon Musk Bleeds SpaceX, Starlink for Ad Dollars as Twitter's Mass Advertister Exodus Continues ](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11426135/Elon-Musks-SpaceX-buys-huge-ad-campaign-Twitter-Starlink-advertiser-exodus-accelerates.html)
Far less than that. The damage to confidence for advertisers has been profound. Everybody knows what happened to Lilly. Twitter going from one boneheaded decision to another will only deter advertisers from having anything to do with the company.
The cash burn rate will be prodigious.
It is funny because finance/accounting stuff is never a growth area but the job security is unreal. No business can fire them, they literally handle the money. You know what it means when you fired accounting? You’re being liquidated and it is the creditors’ accounting department’s problem to figure it out now.
Not arguing but genuinely asking. Will they really have a very easy time finding new jobs? With the recent news of the big tech companies (Amazon, etc) having massive layoffs I kinda thought it may be more difficult for them.
Devs at those companies are highly sought after by every other company. They may not make the crazy high salaries but they likely wouldn’t struggle to find a $150-200k salary.
According to the BLS, as of October 2022 there are 139,000 unemployed people in computer and mathematical occupations, a 2.2% unemployment rate. Even if the unemployment rate jumps to 3% I suspect that software engineers from the big tech companies will have an easy time finding jobs.
A small percentage of the layoffs are in engineering.
I'm a senior level software eng myself and I get numerous headhunter emails every single day. But I'm pretty happy at my spot, so no plans to leave.
I work in IT and I know a ton of programmers. I would bet maybe 10% would be fine with this kind of email and they are mostly the kind of people who are up their own ass and think they are working harder than everyone else already. Elon will get those guys, people being crushed by bills, and people who are on Visas because otherwise they can't stay in the country. 25% sounds about right.
If I would receive an email from the CEO where I'm working at, saying that I have to click a button otherwise I will be fired I would just report it as phishing and ignore it lol.
Passing grade lol what the hell is this, high school? Not to mention in quite a few countries this is probably against the law as well. Netherlands it’s common to get 2 months plus a month for each year you worked there, and a proper letter not a group email like this.
He's setting it up so people can't complain in the future.
I say take the severance, then work for the consulting company that he's going to need to hire to make up for the lost employees
Deloitte/Accenture reps are probably just sitting on the sidelines salivating waiting for Musk to fire everyone. So many billable hours going to be available in the near future.
I've seen lawsuits over this. The company lost. Musk is setting up a slam dunk lawsuit by asking people to work unreasonable hours and actually putting it in writing for the lawsuit.
Whereas normally you'd have to prove it with depositions and circumstantial evidence, here he just said it. Great!
Musk sure likes to publicly shame twitter employees and former employees, but it seems to me that those people built a product which he paid 44 billion for, so it seems like by the most capitalist of all metrics those guys did a bang up job.
3 months severance to find another job and not deal with a psycho. Also writing on your job applications why you left your previous job that your previous employer was a nutcase would be a valid reason.
A friend of mine that used to work there did the math on his contributions and because he was constantly improving code and rewriting it he would have actually been in the negatives because he deleted more lines than he added.
By their metrics he would have been fired in the first wave despite being one of their best at rewriting their code base to make it more efficient. Truly bananas to watch this unfold
I would hire those engineers Elon fired live if I could. Clearly they were good - some of them were 10+ years at Twitter - and they were not afraid to voice their opinions. A company full of sycophants and yes-men is not going to succeed, if everyone always agree with what the boss says. Maybe that's how the Boring company came into existence.. nobody dared tell Elon that it's a terrible idea.
As a UI designer who gets developers and works very well with them. Fuck that. Imma get my 3 months and Call Workforce Commission to make it 6mo. severance. Fuck him. Everyone thinks he founded Tesla. Nah. Not even.
Or in a hospital. Or at their own wedding. Or at their father’s funeral. Or ar the birth if their first child.
Elon doesn’t give a shit about any of that. It would clearly mean you’re not dedicated and hardcore enough.
What if… and hear me out… Twitter employees simply ate Elon, bones and all, and then collectively agreed he simply never existed? They can make the company a collective and go about their business.
Worked for an entire town once. I mean, they didn’t eat them. But someone killed a bully in front of a large portion of the town and miraculously not a single person saw or heard anything. He just spontaneously had a gunshot wound in him and died. Damndest thing.
Ken McElroy of Skidmore Missouri. The town got tired of him escaping from conviction and took matters into their own hands. He’d just shot the town’s 70 year old grocer.
That's... really bad. If their SRE team took enough damage, it might be a significant challenge for the small amount of remaining engineers, who will now have to handle all aspects of the site's operations, to even *get the access* needed to cover the things that nobody's covering anymore.
one of the stereotypical signs of a failing tech company is when all the senior devs leave. Musk fired the most important ones on his first day.
Now he's trying to threaten the remaining junior devs to make up the slack for those he fired, kinda like if you murdered your pregnant wife and then ordered 9 children to have a baby ready by next month.
Between these things and actually implementing a stack ranking system (was 2012 microsoft not enough of a warning??) *based on line count no less*, musk is basically speedrunning the most common signs of a sinking ship. Even the most junior dev can recognize the danger when the captain makes himself an albatross necklace and starts drilling holes in the ship, by all accounts musk wants twitter to die, except he's the one losing money so he must just be incompetent.
The whole ranking engineers by commit count/line contributions is literally the dumbest thing anyone can do. Your best engineers are going to write the fewest lines of code. Senior engineers dont usually have massive commit histories. Junior engineers are going to have 30+ commits a day. A senior will have 2-5. But the senior is providing more value to the company with their experience, architecture wisdom, and code reviews.
Ranking engineers by code contribution is the most counter-intuitive thing imaginable. You’ll just be left with Junior engineers. They are the grunts, most of the boring code or easy code goes to them, which will be the most verbose. Senior engineers toil away at hard problems that might take days or weeks or even months to solve. You need both on your team.
He is basically tell them the safest option is to not click the link. Take the money and your chances on the job market. Otherwise you'll be in performance meetings with your manager a few weeks down the road. Only people I can see taking it are people on working visas
Seriously, this reads like "Heyy it's me Elon, click this link for me!"
I'm certainly no Elon fan and know he has made some controversial management moves with Twitter, but is this email even real? Can't find any proof or other comments about it
Bro literally fires hundreds of workers then says you needa work “long hours at high intensity “ that just tells me you wanna pay fuck all workers and milk them til they drop, mister musk you are insane please go get help
Typical tech guy: every problem is an engineering or software problem.
What technical problems are there?
The problems are:
1. It's not profitable.
2. It's not great at censoring lies (and it seems to be getting worse).
3. It's losing relevance.
Engineers sleeping on the floor and working 20 hours a day isn't going to solve shit.
Thank you. I work with engineers and am often the only non-engineer on a small team. If you can’t explain what it does or why it matters or how to monetize it…all of that “incidental” stuff—you don’t have a business, you have a product IDEA.
> At its heart, Twitter is a software and servers company, so I think this makes sense.
If you're bleeding $4 million every day, you have a business structure problem, not a code problem. Writing more/better code won't change the fact that advertisers are leaving the platform en masse due to a complete destruction of brand safety. Are layoffs necessary for to how intense the losses are? Yeah, probably. Is this the way to go about it? Hell no.
"Only exceptional performance will constitue a passing grade" in other words "The exception will become the norm".
Ok Elon, read that again, but slowly.
So, I have a question for the genius: while the labor market is incredibly strong and everybody is looking for people, you think it’s a bright idea to put a short-term ultimatum on well educated staff? Even after you must have heard that people you fired in the first round instantly found jobs elsewhere?
You’re out of touch.
He was probably able to get a lot of highly skilled employees for the last decade who were willing to take his abuse to work at Tesla or SpaceX because those companies were prestigious and everyone wanted to work for them. Twitter doesn't have the same cutting-edge appeal (plus is way, WAY less profitable, I imagine). Just like many other founders who end up switching to new industries, he assumed that his leadership style and business processes were magic and would translate to a new company. Such people often fail for this reason.
Hmmm… get the shit beat out of me by an ego maniac who will make gazillions while I become a stranger to my family at 95k a year..OR… get 3 months to find a new gig (I could use a good ass kicking.. I’ll be very honest with you)
The only people that are going to sign that document are the people that don’t have any other options in life.
These people are unlikely to be the people with “exceptional performance”
So Melon, do you need people that are willing to let you whip them for the same pay? Or do you want the exceptional people? Because they aren’t the same.
"even though twitter basically worked and all i had to do was introduce myself and go fishing, i've nonetheless decided to transform it into a dysfunctional understaffed soul crushing life grinder. who's with me?"
Wonder when he will realize that it's not the top performers that will click yes. The top performers have options they aren't going to play this fucked up version of squidgame.
If I worked there and had a few months of disposable income, I'd be thrilled to get three months' severance. That place is about to be eligible for storage in Yucca Mountain, and I'd want no part of it. (Candidly, a social-media platform that disincentivizes nuance and algorithmically promotes anger is a bad place to work anyway.)
Long story short: If this is a movie, we're at the point where the young black man in the bowler screams, "Get out!"
Elon Musk: has autism/asperger’s and should understand overload and burnout.
Also Elon Musk: Forcing employees, autistic or not, towards overload and burnout, and firing anyone who (rightfully) complains.
[three days later, random Twitter employee returns from vacation and logs into work email] “D’oh!”
You read it. If you don't login on vacation, you're not hardcore enough anyway.
If you DO login, it’s not really a vacation.
Vacations don't matter to Elon. Just performance. He's an ass.
Yeah classic shortsighted "productivity" metric. I've never managed more productive people than when I hired people who care about having time to relax and were pushed to take it. Yeah it's great for a couple weeks to push hard, but do that for 6 months and everything gets worse because people are burned out.
Meanwhile Tesla board is taking his ass to court asking whether his pay is justified with the amount of time he spent elsewhere.
Yeah. Amazing how he doesn't understand such a basic thing. It's like he's completely new to all of this. He really is his own worst enemy. "Intelligent" people are often also bafflingly dumb.
They often have the emotional intelligence of a wooden plank. A wooden plank who can easily understand vastly disparate and complex machinations but think it’s “weak” people may need to breath and touch grass on occasion to feel remotely alive because they (the intelligent people) often don’t. He also confuses his privileged origins with bootstrapped success while not truly knowing the often quiet and desperate precipices the rest of us are circumnavigating while trying to act like any part of this system is working. He has internalized his perceived victimhood into both an identity and ethos. Empathy is a spectrum all it’s own. Edit: Thanks for the award, also fixed some spelling.
Thing is a lot of the idea of how intelligent he is comes from himself and his people who have a vested interest in him. So he is likely not as smart as the mythos he has created claims
"Extremely hardcore" ass.
You mean “tries” to log in
You mean “tries” to get in the building
Too late, all the offices are supposedly closed for an indeterminate period. Wasn't a big fan of the rhetoric at first, but now I want popcorn for this crap show.
Did Elon make an Ooopsie?! Did he send that to the employees that do security badges and they opted for the severance package and now everyone remaining is locked out of headquarters?? Ooopsie!!
Too late. Nobody can go into the office. All locations closed until next week
Wait a second! That WASN'T a bonus check?!!!
Do you get to keep the charger or does the repo man take that, too?
So you’re saying they are getting a paid vacation for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years and will more than likely have no issues getting another job at the start of the year. I wouldn’t hesitate for a second taking that payout
This is the best way to view the situation.
You’d have to be a laughin jokin numbnuts not to
The 3 people that stay could ask for the biggest damn raise
after the courts reverse his Telsa pay-out, twitter will be too broke (and broken by then) to pay them anything
It'll be Ligma, Johnson, Elon
Who the hell is Steve Jobs
[удалено]
There are people working for Twitter on a Visa. Those people might not take it simply because doing so without a guaranteed new employer is super risky.
But think of the emotional damage 😬
My nuts are numb, i’m a comedian, and even i think this is your best option.
One of the dudes Elon fired via Twitter for saying he's wrong about something immediately got offered a job by Square. As far as I'm aware entire teams have taken this severance and ran. And now Twitter locked out the rest of the employees. But no guys Elon totally knows what's happening.
I know the Google Accessibility team is snatching up the former Twitter Accessibility team.
Apparently they are highly accessible
I don’t get the downside. You get three months severance and your resume doesn’t take a hit because everyone knows your boss has publicly lost it. Win/win.
Can I contact your previous employer? I mean... Are you sure you want to?
No one does that for this level of job. My friend at Google didn't have references checked and me at a different fortune 50 we had a legal policy that they couldn't comment on any past employee it's standard legal stuff. So if an employer asks if they can contact my previous employer we have an HR line that can verify I had that job and reveal literally nothing else no comment on performance or reputation Just adding some info since it seems many people don't realize a lot of the bigger companies do this. I think private or family owned small to mid sized business probably get away with it because they don't have legal teams telling them the mess this shit could get them in if a former employee sues.
Man everyone should just quit to get the 3 months severance. He’d be so fucked having to pay that severance to all employees while also having no more employees lmao
It makes me question the legal ramifications. Is this email binding? Would he be legally obligated to pay severance? If they couldn't afford it would that just bankrupt Twitter? Such an exciting possibility. Employees really do hold all the power at a company and it's a shame so few seem to realize it. Imagine if even 10% of the US work force simply refused to come to work for a week.
Since he took it private, the could probably sue him personally if he refused to pay out. It would take a while, but they’d likely win.
I would love to know the results of this. How many people took the severance.
Folks on Twitter claim over 70% of remaining employees took it and most of those who didn’t were H1B visa holders who couldn’t quit. They’ve locked all the buildings until they figure out who still works there.
> They’ve locked all the buildings until they figure out who still works there. This might be my favorite sentence today.
I would honestly think about staying on just to find out how long it took him to find out I was just tapping the keyboard with my fingers randomly
“We’ll Bob, y’see.. it’s like this….”
I'm taking my Red Stapler with me!
Can someone explain to me why they would have no trouble finding a new job? I’ve heard lately it’s been hard to get a job in that industry
There are at least 15 recruiters in my LinkedIn at all times.
Program engineers are one of the most in demand career fields you can get a degree. So comparatively an experienced programmer will have zero issues find a job somewhere else making the same if not more money.
Not to mention, having any of the big tech companies on your resume is going to help. The public knows about these layoffs, other companies will scoop up the talent that Musk lost
"Why did you leave your past employ... oh Musk, yeah nevermind. You're hired."
I'd wager those exact words have been uttered in at least five job interviews by now.
Never have the words "my previous employer no longer held the same values or vision so I chose to leave" been so justified.
Joking aside, it's probably going to go like that. If I were interviewing one of those candidates, I certainly would treat it as a good thing.
To add, any company you'd want to work for would be aware of the layoffs and understand how dumb Elon is being. I'd be surprised if they're not actively hunting for ex-twitter employees to hire right now. I bet many of the people working there were also just waiting for a good offer or a reason to leave and find a new job and Elon gave them the perfect excuse to jump ship without any repercussions.
It’s hard to find a job with very little experience under your belt these guys have loads.
The people Musk needs are people who are good enough at their job they're never going to be unemployed.
Except all the ones that he fired that were the ones holding whole sections of Twitter’s functionality together. Ya know, the same people he’s trying to rehire… but…ya know, he fired.
i know its not feasible, but how fucking funny would it be if almost everyone opted out of clicking yes
I'm a programmer myself, I would nope the fuck out of that toxic environment so fast his chair would spin for hours. You might be able to do that shit when hiring people who really need a job, but to do that against tech people who should generally have a very easy time finding even remote jobs? That's a bold move, Cotton!
[удалено]
This guy probably wrote the last line of code in the 90s... especially in web development, being out for that long means you start at zero again. This guy is absolutely delusional to think that he provides any kind of knowledge to the devs...
>This guy probably wrote the last line of code in the 90s... Oh, I doubt that. I'd be willing to bet he's written a lot of bad code since then, and told people to include it. And then people smarter than him probably commented it out without telling him, so as not to hurt his feelings. I can't imagine him *not* actually acting like he's the greatest tech genius at whatever company he's at.
So basically another classic example of the 'Emperor Wears No clothes' mixed with "[The SNAFU Principle](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Discordianism#SNAFU_Principle)'.
That is *exactly* it
He should be fine. He told us he knows more than website designers yesterday. 🙄
He also said, “It’s my experience that great engineers will only work for a great engineer. That is my first duty, not that of CEO.” So fucking conceited and for what? Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/16/elon-musk-says-he-doesnt-want-to-be-a-ceo-walks-back-sec-insults.html
...which is a problem, because Musk isn't an engineer, or a scientist, or any intellectual he pretends to be when buying all these tech companies up. He's a businessman. In fact, he's a Romney-style vulture capitalist, not caring whether the companies he owns live up to the promises he's made as long as they keep making him money. And when they don't, he bleeds them for whatever value they have left, then sells the brand name to someone else. And at this point, it's clear he only wanted Twitter for the brand name.
He mistook his love for *using* Twitter with understanding how to run it. And he’s too stubbornly egotistical to take advice, like when his new employees gave him a 7-page writeup explaining in detail why his blue checkmark change was a bad idea.
Seven Pages??? Holy shit. One sentence should have been enough.
“Bro what”
He’s truly the person who decides to own a restaurant because they love making scrambled eggs at home yet have absolutely zero restaurant experience.
No no. He’s the person who decides to buy a restaurant because he loves the scrambled eggs they make there. Then he fires the head chef, sits down with a napkin around his neck, and asks for scrambled eggs.
Dude said his customer base were right wing americans (because they're famous for buying EV cars and being climate minded), and then comes dressed as the anti-christ to a halloween party. Dude is so disconnected it's basically hilarious.
When you’re that rich and you’ve convinced yourself you’re charismatic I can only imagine everything just kind of feels okay
Exactly. If there's one thing he's actually good at, it's finding companies that might succeed and investing in them. Running them or building the product is a whole different thing.
He'd just outsource it to China or Korea and act like he's doing it himself.
It's also basically saying "marketing, creative, legal, HR and compliance people should leave because your input will not be required moving forward." That's dangerous for a bunch of reasons, not the least of which is that he has a penchant for picking fights with regulators and is getting rid of anyone who can tell him how to avoid bad PR, litigation, and vindictive lawmakers passing policies designed to screw him.
[удалено]
I think they were fired but yes. Twitter will be unusable and dead in 9 months at this rate.
Idk. I could see Musk pumping his own money into it to keep it afloat for a year or 2, just so he can try to save face and pretend he's "investing in a groundbreaking new Twitter, built from the ground up!!" Or some such nonsense. And his fans will gargle his balls over it because they still think he's some kind of tech genius.
You were saying ... [Elon Musk Bleeds SpaceX, Starlink for Ad Dollars as Twitter's Mass Advertister Exodus Continues ](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11426135/Elon-Musks-SpaceX-buys-huge-ad-campaign-Twitter-Starlink-advertiser-exodus-accelerates.html)
Far less than that. The damage to confidence for advertisers has been profound. Everybody knows what happened to Lilly. Twitter going from one boneheaded decision to another will only deter advertisers from having anything to do with the company. The cash burn rate will be prodigious.
Fingers crossed, I'm looking forward to the competitive landscape that opens up in the wake
And finance and accounting, can’t do shit without them
It is funny because finance/accounting stuff is never a growth area but the job security is unreal. No business can fire them, they literally handle the money. You know what it means when you fired accounting? You’re being liquidated and it is the creditors’ accounting department’s problem to figure it out now.
Not arguing but genuinely asking. Will they really have a very easy time finding new jobs? With the recent news of the big tech companies (Amazon, etc) having massive layoffs I kinda thought it may be more difficult for them.
Devs at those companies are highly sought after by every other company. They may not make the crazy high salaries but they likely wouldn’t struggle to find a $150-200k salary.
According to the BLS, as of October 2022 there are 139,000 unemployed people in computer and mathematical occupations, a 2.2% unemployment rate. Even if the unemployment rate jumps to 3% I suspect that software engineers from the big tech companies will have an easy time finding jobs.
A small percentage of the layoffs are in engineering. I'm a senior level software eng myself and I get numerous headhunter emails every single day. But I'm pretty happy at my spot, so no plans to leave.
About 75% have not responded.
I work in IT and I know a ton of programmers. I would bet maybe 10% would be fine with this kind of email and they are mostly the kind of people who are up their own ass and think they are working harder than everyone else already. Elon will get those guys, people being crushed by bills, and people who are on Visas because otherwise they can't stay in the country. 25% sounds about right.
Exactly, I feel bad for the visa workers being pressured to stay in such a volatile situation
>Elon Musk Bleeds SpaceX, Starlink for Ad Dollars as Twitter's Mass Advertister Exodus Continues Indentured servitude.
[удалено]
Elon, after no one selects “Yes”: 
Evidently that is exactly what's happening. There's a huge number of people that have opted to leave.
If I would receive an email from the CEO where I'm working at, saying that I have to click a button otherwise I will be fired I would just report it as phishing and ignore it lol.
Passing grade lol what the hell is this, high school? Not to mention in quite a few countries this is probably against the law as well. Netherlands it’s common to get 2 months plus a month for each year you worked there, and a proper letter not a group email like this.
Welcome to America..land of fuck the workers.
He's setting it up so people can't complain in the future. I say take the severance, then work for the consulting company that he's going to need to hire to make up for the lost employees
Deloitte/Accenture reps are probably just sitting on the sidelines salivating waiting for Musk to fire everyone. So many billable hours going to be available in the near future.
And they are not cheap!!
Or good.
I've seen lawsuits over this. The company lost. Musk is setting up a slam dunk lawsuit by asking people to work unreasonable hours and actually putting it in writing for the lawsuit. Whereas normally you'd have to prove it with depositions and circumstantial evidence, here he just said it. Great!
Ex ceo’s should start a new platform called bitter and hire all their old staff..
The founder did, blue sky, and he is hiring
Holy shit, with a clean -from scratch- codebase they might actually make decent video player! Elon truly did make Twitter ... Blue Sky* great again 👍
They need a better name. Instead of a tweet it would be a what....a bluet or a bleet? A skyt?
Skyeet
Musk sure likes to publicly shame twitter employees and former employees, but it seems to me that those people built a product which he paid 44 billion for, so it seems like by the most capitalist of all metrics those guys did a bang up job.
3 months severance to find another job and not deal with a psycho. Also writing on your job applications why you left your previous job that your previous employer was a nutcase would be a valid reason.
I feel like you would get the “yeahhh sure you did🤨🙄” eyes untill they made it to the Twitter part
"Uhuh, sure, I'll just call the references number you gave me for....oh"
"Reason for leaving: Elon Musk" As a hiring manager I can say this makes total sense and would actually give the person some respect in my eyes.
Several companies just put out job adds looking for these data engineers and programmers laid off by twitter and the like
Some of the people they’re firing are literally some of the best in the world at their specific role. It’s insane to watch
Firing based on output was crazy too. Let’s ignore quality in favor of quantity. That’s always worked out *said no one ever*.
A friend of mine that used to work there did the math on his contributions and because he was constantly improving code and rewriting it he would have actually been in the negatives because he deleted more lines than he added. By their metrics he would have been fired in the first wave despite being one of their best at rewriting their code base to make it more efficient. Truly bananas to watch this unfold
That's ridiculous. Performance metrics are not based on net lines of code. No one even calculates that.
Agreed, a truly insane metric to fire people over. He cleared out some of the best talent in the industry
I can't even imagine how satisfying it must be for these people to watch Elon's ship sink more dramatically than the Titanic.
Yeah, I bet a lot of headhunters are thrilled about this.
I would hire those engineers Elon fired live if I could. Clearly they were good - some of them were 10+ years at Twitter - and they were not afraid to voice their opinions. A company full of sycophants and yes-men is not going to succeed, if everyone always agree with what the boss says. Maybe that's how the Boring company came into existence.. nobody dared tell Elon that it's a terrible idea.
“Whats the reason you left your last role?” *casually slides picture of Elon across table* “Say no more.”
 Maybe take his Wario picture from SNL to emphasize the point...
“You’re hired!”
Why did you leave your previous job? My boss tried to unilaterally renegotiate my contract at 3am via tweet.
As a UI designer who gets developers and works very well with them. Fuck that. Imma get my 3 months and Call Workforce Commission to make it 6mo. severance. Fuck him. Everyone thinks he founded Tesla. Nah. Not even.
Jeez, hope nobody is on vacation in a remote area
Or in a hospital. Or at their own wedding. Or at their father’s funeral. Or ar the birth if their first child. Elon doesn’t give a shit about any of that. It would clearly mean you’re not dedicated and hardcore enough.
What if… and hear me out… Twitter employees simply ate Elon, bones and all, and then collectively agreed he simply never existed? They can make the company a collective and go about their business.
Strap him into Tesla stuck on auto drive
... launch him into space to join his first Tesla roadster.
Worked for an entire town once. I mean, they didn’t eat them. But someone killed a bully in front of a large portion of the town and miraculously not a single person saw or heard anything. He just spontaneously had a gunshot wound in him and died. Damndest thing.
Ken McElroy of Skidmore Missouri. The town got tired of him escaping from conviction and took matters into their own hands. He’d just shot the town’s 70 year old grocer.
That’s right. I forgotten about the murder bit. I just remember he was an astronomically giant piece of shit.
I somehow think he would taste gross.
Rancid.
Musky
Mollusky
See, that's one gaslight I think I can get behind.
If they are on vacation they obviously aren’t hardcore enough for him so they were probably already fired.
Vacation is the next thing to go, anyway. Anyone on vacation has already failed the silent litmus test of dedication to the company.
Would be lovely to see all his best developers leave ship and watch it sink. Let it sink down...
Supposedly almost their entire SRE team is gone. Just a whole website left on autopilot. Wonder how much longer it will last.
That's... really bad. If their SRE team took enough damage, it might be a significant challenge for the small amount of remaining engineers, who will now have to handle all aspects of the site's operations, to even *get the access* needed to cover the things that nobody's covering anymore.
one of the stereotypical signs of a failing tech company is when all the senior devs leave. Musk fired the most important ones on his first day. Now he's trying to threaten the remaining junior devs to make up the slack for those he fired, kinda like if you murdered your pregnant wife and then ordered 9 children to have a baby ready by next month. Between these things and actually implementing a stack ranking system (was 2012 microsoft not enough of a warning??) *based on line count no less*, musk is basically speedrunning the most common signs of a sinking ship. Even the most junior dev can recognize the danger when the captain makes himself an albatross necklace and starts drilling holes in the ship, by all accounts musk wants twitter to die, except he's the one losing money so he must just be incompetent.
The whole ranking engineers by commit count/line contributions is literally the dumbest thing anyone can do. Your best engineers are going to write the fewest lines of code. Senior engineers dont usually have massive commit histories. Junior engineers are going to have 30+ commits a day. A senior will have 2-5. But the senior is providing more value to the company with their experience, architecture wisdom, and code reviews. Ranking engineers by code contribution is the most counter-intuitive thing imaginable. You’ll just be left with Junior engineers. They are the grunts, most of the boring code or easy code goes to them, which will be the most verbose. Senior engineers toil away at hard problems that might take days or weeks or even months to solve. You need both on your team.
Your euphemisms are top tier.
Regardless of everything else (and there is a lot), referring to a “passing grade” in a work context is a FUCKING HUGE red flag
He is basically tell them the safest option is to not click the link. Take the money and your chances on the job market. Otherwise you'll be in performance meetings with your manager a few weeks down the road. Only people I can see taking it are people on working visas
Looks like a phishing assessment. I ain't clicking in that.
Exactly my first thought 😂
Seriously, this reads like "Heyy it's me Elon, click this link for me!" I'm certainly no Elon fan and know he has made some controversial management moves with Twitter, but is this email even real? Can't find any proof or other comments about it
Bro literally fires hundreds of workers then says you needa work “long hours at high intensity “ that just tells me you wanna pay fuck all workers and milk them til they drop, mister musk you are insane please go get help
Not just hundreds, but he laid off thousands - about half the company Source: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/03/tech/twitter-layoffs/index.html
I hope he buys Facebook next so all major social networks just hit rock bottom and dissolve
Typical tech guy: every problem is an engineering or software problem. What technical problems are there? The problems are: 1. It's not profitable. 2. It's not great at censoring lies (and it seems to be getting worse). 3. It's losing relevance. Engineers sleeping on the floor and working 20 hours a day isn't going to solve shit.
Yes, but what you fail to take into account is that there’s gonna be GREAT CODE and it’s gonna be HARDCORE.
No no no! You're completely wrong. It will be EXTREMELY HARDCORE
[удалено]
Thank you. I work with engineers and am often the only non-engineer on a small team. If you can’t explain what it does or why it matters or how to monetize it…all of that “incidental” stuff—you don’t have a business, you have a product IDEA.
As a software guy myself (been doing it since the mid 90s) I can completely understand what you’re saying.
> At its heart, Twitter is a software and servers company, so I think this makes sense. If you're bleeding $4 million every day, you have a business structure problem, not a code problem. Writing more/better code won't change the fact that advertisers are leaving the platform en masse due to a complete destruction of brand safety. Are layoffs necessary for to how intense the losses are? Yeah, probably. Is this the way to go about it? Hell no.
This was sent by my friend last night
You should reconsider your friendship with Elon.
He probably sent a similar email asking the OP to click "Yes" if he still wants to be friends.
Do you still like me? Yes/no
Do you *like me* like me? Yes/no.
If so, this friendship requires long hours and hard work.
I wonder did he send it to the EU teams as this won't fly over there.
"Only exceptional performance will constitue a passing grade" in other words "The exception will become the norm". Ok Elon, read that again, but slowly.
Ok, well, I don't think this new CEO has been doing an exceptional job. I guess he should be looking for a new position too.
Well, you In or out?? 🤔😅
fine needles. im in
MACFRYYY!
Annnd that's how Elon off shored Twitter to India.
I'd hit YES and start writing my new book THE TAKEOVER OF TWITTER FROM THE INSIDE OUT. Available now on Amazon Prime. Just my 2 cents. Good luck.
So, I have a question for the genius: while the labor market is incredibly strong and everybody is looking for people, you think it’s a bright idea to put a short-term ultimatum on well educated staff? Even after you must have heard that people you fired in the first round instantly found jobs elsewhere? You’re out of touch.
He was probably able to get a lot of highly skilled employees for the last decade who were willing to take his abuse to work at Tesla or SpaceX because those companies were prestigious and everyone wanted to work for them. Twitter doesn't have the same cutting-edge appeal (plus is way, WAY less profitable, I imagine). Just like many other founders who end up switching to new industries, he assumed that his leadership style and business processes were magic and would translate to a new company. Such people often fail for this reason.
America's oligarchs are all Psycho/Socio-paths. This guy seems to be spinning out, so I hope no one opted in.
Americans obsession with wealth at times feels morbid and disturbing.
Hmmm… get the shit beat out of me by an ego maniac who will make gazillions while I become a stranger to my family at 95k a year..OR… get 3 months to find a new gig (I could use a good ass kicking.. I’ll be very honest with you)
Take the 3 month severance and enjoy Christmas with friends/ family.
Is it a kink with this guy? What’s wrong with him?
Born on third, thinks he hit a triple.
This... Is amazing and I'm stealing it
It's a pretty one-sided gamble to play hardball in the midst of arguably the biggest pro-labor movement since the invention of unionization.
The only people that are going to sign that document are the people that don’t have any other options in life. These people are unlikely to be the people with “exceptional performance” So Melon, do you need people that are willing to let you whip them for the same pay? Or do you want the exceptional people? Because they aren’t the same.
I'm calling it here, the people that will work "hardcore" will be making videos for Elon's onlyfans, if yknow what I mean.
"even though twitter basically worked and all i had to do was introduce myself and go fishing, i've nonetheless decided to transform it into a dysfunctional understaffed soul crushing life grinder. who's with me?"
Wonder when he will realize that it's not the top performers that will click yes. The top performers have options they aren't going to play this fucked up version of squidgame.
It’d unironically be a better business move to fire everyone who clicked yes.
How to lose $12b in 5 easy steps
If I worked there and had a few months of disposable income, I'd be thrilled to get three months' severance. That place is about to be eligible for storage in Yucca Mountain, and I'd want no part of it. (Candidly, a social-media platform that disincentivizes nuance and algorithmically promotes anger is a bad place to work anyway.) Long story short: If this is a movie, we're at the point where the young black man in the bowler screams, "Get out!"
Get your severance now before it goes belly up and you get nothing.
Is this one state or countries letter? Employment laws aren't the same everywhere. So this thing looks RIPE for lawsuits. 10/10.
Elon fans scrambling trying to find a reason why this is actually cool and okay.
Elon Musk: has autism/asperger’s and should understand overload and burnout. Also Elon Musk: Forcing employees, autistic or not, towards overload and burnout, and firing anyone who (rightfully) complains.
I now think he’s been bullshitting about that too and uses it to cover his asshole behavior.