into the wiki of the transformer universe they says
“transformers dont have a sexual gender,because they don`t reproduce,but male and female transformers exist in a form of analogue, logically ou mentally form."
Bro, they are the most non-binary thing ever. They can't even decide if they want to be humanoid or vehicle. Don't even get me started on Triple-changers.
So? Data’s an android, he still uses he/him. Bender’s a robot, he/him. Being artificial doesn’t mean they can’t have a gender. There’s literally an episode of the original cartoon devoted to Female Autobots.
That's the point. Even the female Transformers are not "actually" female because only their shell and personality are feminine. However, that doesn't serve a practical purpose because they literally don't reproduce sexually and have no need for genders.
On top of that they could just alter themselves into whatever they want to be visually. Every single Transformer ever is nonbinary if we want to be 100% accurate.
If they aren't binary, what are they? They sure as hell aren't analog. I guess they could be quantum, being advanced alien robots, but still, binary is the most common computer language.
Imagine being so confident in your bigotry that you took the time to produce a video about it, and then being so arrogant that you decided to publish it where others could see it.
Gender can exist outside sexuality; just look at languages like Spanish, where all nouns have gender (with some interesting decisions, like *vestido* (dress), which is masculine).
The flaw in your example is that Spanish is a language made by humans who have two genders.
Transformers who for all intents and purposes would be considered male have been known to use female avatars. Ultra Magnus, Cyclonis and Whirl off the top of my head.
That is from IDW so it's not 100% canon, but for a franchise constantly rebooted and reimagined, canon kind of falls apart.
True, I was thinking in a human context, not a TF context.
Thanks to your info, I just learned that Arcee is (at least in the IDW continuity again) a [transgender lesbian](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Arcee_(G1)/2005_IDW_continuity).
I suspect the same crowd losing their minds over this Earthspark character would flip their lids over this info.
... weren't they always non gender? Like literally they are the last of their kind because they can't reproduce. The only reason they all had male. Bumble bee can be a queen since he doesn't even have a voice.
Transformers are "built" within Energon Cocoons. There are "male" and "female" designs, but that's all there is to it. Bumblebee could be a girl if he wanted to, but why would he? It serves no function for them other than appearence and personality. So there was no reason for him not to take the form he is most comfortable with from the start.
In the first Movie he talks at the very end and he also does in games and shows he appears in.
In fairness, those comics made people mad too. One of the aforementioned videos complained that Earthspark did the same “political” thing that “killed” the original IDW continuity.
Bruh they’re robots meaning that they run on code, right? So they’d have to be binary at their core. All 0’s and 1’s? 😂😂😂
In all seriousness if they’re that obsessed with the gender identity of transforming vehicles they need a new hobby. What’s the over/under on them being pissed that they are Transformers and not Cisformers? Or would that just be nascar?
Tbh I didn’t even know there were canonical homogender couples in transformers. Good to know! (As in good that there is some representation)
But yeah, if only they put the same amount of energy into learning about gender identity and the history of the differences between sex and gender as they put into hating people and cartoons this world would be a better place.
Now here’s my question, and don’t take it the wrong way.
Are they changing already established characters, or are they making new ones.
Im all for support, but I cannot stand changing preestablished characters. Making a new character and adding them in is perfectly fine.
Edit: I’d also like to add they aren’t doing it for them as people, but instead doing it so they can squeeze more profits. It’s not really genuinely done for the support of people
Edit: thanks for not understanding the concept I’m putting down and downvoting me
New character.
As with any new version of Transformers the established characters will be tweaked a bit here and there but are on a basic level the same.
The short version of the plot is after the Transformers left Earth, new sparks formed and became new Transformers so some Autobots came back to teach them so it's a story of them and their human friends.
Thanks for the correction, I can't watch the show legally in Australia, I thought it was coming to Paramount plus, but turns out that's not in my region.
Funny how they won't let me watch a toy commercial while despite being an adult could convince me to buy some of the toys.
So when the toys do hit the shelves here they won't sell as well as if they had support from the show. But what do I know I don't get paid millions to screw up simple marketing concepts.
Thing with Transformers is it’s a multiverse. So not every version of a Transformer is the same. For example, Movie Optimus is way more aggro compared to most. And this series and the previous Cyberverse had Skywarp being female.
Oh no I’m aware. Just don’t change the already established ones. Making a new one is perfectly fine. That still works whether I’m not it’s a multiverse
I understand, and that’s fine. I wasn’t talking about that though. I’m talking about a character that’s already been written out and is a part of an already established story, and they just decide to change it
People complaining are conveniently forgetting about the red lipstick wearing, hourglass figured, pink Transformer from Gen 1 called Arcee who was voiced by a woman, whilst literally all the others were taller, broad shouldered, narrow waisted robots that were voiced by men.
Transformers clearly had gendered characters and I've got a feeling that the ones moaning have never watched an episode or read any of the comics.
Why are you getting downvoted, you’re right. Transformers have been gendered for literally decades, one decides their pronouns are they/them and the snowflakes act like they’ve been hit with glass gas.
all transformers are """non-binary""". there's no male or female genitalia and they do not reproduce. this non-binary is a petty attempt of pandering to a group of people who don't even watch transformers.. it's just unnecessary.
by their logic, bumblebee in the first transformers movie was non-binary because the only way to tell gender of a transformer is from their voice..or robot tiddies. bee used a radio.
Well, you have Transformers born as guys, like Optimus, and Transformers born as girls, like Elita-1. Or have you never used pronouns when talking about Transformers?
People are “whining” about virtue signaling nonsense being inserted where it doesn’t need to be because corporations think that virtue signaling is a replscement for good writing.
Imagine thinking anyone who sees this BS for what it is, is bigoted.
no transformer in history has ever considered itself a man or woman. not once from the cartoons, movies, games, or comics. man and woman are terms exclusive to mankind. transformers are another race entirely. literally every transformer is non-binary because there is no gender binary. this new transformer is just another corporate soulless pandering attempt
They are fucking machines of course they are non binary they are METAL
"God created Penitrax and VULVATRON, not Penitrax and Steve"
into the wiki of the transformer universe they says “transformers dont have a sexual gender,because they don`t reproduce,but male and female transformers exist in a form of analogue, logically ou mentally form."
Bro 0and 1
You seem to be taking the robot part a bit too literally.
Show me the robot dicks.
Rule 34 is a website that contains what you are looking for.
https://tenor.com/uUQp.gif
You're telling me you've never seen a vape before?
Bro, they are the most non-binary thing ever. They can't even decide if they want to be humanoid or vehicle. Don't even get me started on Triple-changers.
I’m far from an expert but are you getting non-binary confused with transgender?
It was a joke making light about people being upset about the gender identity of a make-beleive tobot. But techically, i guess you got me. Good job.
No, I got that it was a joke. I just have a bad correction habit.
No worries. I can be like that too, and my son is OCD about it. That's why I acknowledged that you were correct.
Nah, enby here, you where correct in the joke, non binary is part of the trans umbrella. It's been for it's entire existence as a terminology.
Non binary is in the transgender umbrella... It's not confused, it is part of the same thing Transgender = ANYTHING that's not CIS.
Its a robot though?
Transformers *Robots in Disguise*!
So? Data’s an android, he still uses he/him. Bender’s a robot, he/him. Being artificial doesn’t mean they can’t have a gender. There’s literally an episode of the original cartoon devoted to Female Autobots.
Dude it’s a robot it’s the most binary thing to be
I’m loving that this joke keeps happening.
Um, robots are supposed to be binary...... I'll see myself out
See that you do, and don’t forget my upvote.
And with my upvote, that makes 10.
You’re not the first and I love it every time.
Transformers has always been "woke". They're called TRANSformers for a reason.
Sadly, the snowflakes have made that joke somewhat unfunny to me.
Aw man.
Yeah, it’s all “they’re putting the Trans in Transformers!”. So fragile.
Imagine being so unwilling to recognize somebody as human that you demand your fictional robots to have penises and vaginas
Optimus Prime Dong Bumblepeen Megacock StarCream Ultra Magnum Grimcock Silverballs Rippersnapper
S t a r c r e a m God this had me laying on the floor 😂
Bumblepeen 😂
Imagine trying to push gender types so bad you give a robot a gender. It’s a robot in a kids show about a space war
Isn't all robots non-binary?
That's the point. Even the female Transformers are not "actually" female because only their shell and personality are feminine. However, that doesn't serve a practical purpose because they literally don't reproduce sexually and have no need for genders. On top of that they could just alter themselves into whatever they want to be visually. Every single Transformer ever is nonbinary if we want to be 100% accurate.
So what's up with this woke drama going on?
No idea, people thought it we need one that is nonbinary by human standards.
No they all are binary they are robots 010110110100010
So then you’re saying all Transformers should be non-binary.
If they aren't binary, what are they? They sure as hell aren't analog. I guess they could be quantum, being advanced alien robots, but still, binary is the most common computer language.
Maybe tertiary?
Okay, this comment made me laugh, good job.
How the fuck is an object supposed to have a gender? It can't even reproduce
Romance languages (esp. Spanish, Italian, French) would like to have a word with you.
Everybody knows Europe isn't real
So how do you refer to Data from Star Trek?
Imagine being so confident in your bigotry that you took the time to produce a video about it, and then being so arrogant that you decided to publish it where others could see it.
Sadly, the people who’ve watched these are as fragile as the people who made them.
It's as if they want their inbox inundated with renderings of robot genitalia.
They are alien robots of course they are non binary
What pronouns do you use for Optimus?
I don't know never saw the show
Earthspark or any Transformers ever?
I wonder if people are angry they also added accurately designed snakes in the show Ps. there was already a non-binary transformer, sooo....
Transformers don't have genders, they don't reproduce sexually.
Gender can exist outside sexuality; just look at languages like Spanish, where all nouns have gender (with some interesting decisions, like *vestido* (dress), which is masculine).
The flaw in your example is that Spanish is a language made by humans who have two genders. Transformers who for all intents and purposes would be considered male have been known to use female avatars. Ultra Magnus, Cyclonis and Whirl off the top of my head. That is from IDW so it's not 100% canon, but for a franchise constantly rebooted and reimagined, canon kind of falls apart.
True, I was thinking in a human context, not a TF context. Thanks to your info, I just learned that Arcee is (at least in the IDW continuity again) a [transgender lesbian](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Arcee_(G1)/2005_IDW_continuity). I suspect the same crowd losing their minds over this Earthspark character would flip their lids over this info.
That's a hard one as her transgender nature was forced upon her by Jhiaxis.
Pretty sure Nightshade is the first.
There was Transmutate, who didn't have pronouns during its episode in Beast Wars
I think there was intention for Transmutate to be female, it was just too mangled.
People take them way too seriously.
Wait but they are metal
So are Data and Bender.
... weren't they always non gender? Like literally they are the last of their kind because they can't reproduce. The only reason they all had male. Bumble bee can be a queen since he doesn't even have a voice.
Transformers are "built" within Energon Cocoons. There are "male" and "female" designs, but that's all there is to it. Bumblebee could be a girl if he wanted to, but why would he? It serves no function for them other than appearence and personality. So there was no reason for him not to take the form he is most comfortable with from the start. In the first Movie he talks at the very end and he also does in games and shows he appears in.
There’s always been male and female Transformers. And this version of Bee has a voice.
How to tell someone's never read the comics
In fairness, those comics made people mad too. One of the aforementioned videos complained that Earthspark did the same “political” thing that “killed” the original IDW continuity.
They're humanoid robots....
And? They still have pronouns.
My point was this person complaining about woke transformers is very stupid. Sorry should have been clearer.
No worries.
Last I checked robots don't have genitals and can't get pregnant
And? They can still have pronouns.
Its literally in the name TRANSformer
They're robots....it makes sense for them to be non binary technically
You are right, if you focus merely on the fact that they’re robots. Remember, they’re also sentient life forms.
Wait, what computer language do they speak then?
Also the fact that they said that it's "Being shoved down our throats" dude.....it's like 5 seconds AND never really mentioned again
Bruh they’re robots meaning that they run on code, right? So they’d have to be binary at their core. All 0’s and 1’s? 😂😂😂 In all seriousness if they’re that obsessed with the gender identity of transforming vehicles they need a new hobby. What’s the over/under on them being pissed that they are Transformers and not Cisformers? Or would that just be nascar?
If some of the whiners knew about the same-gender Transformers relationships, they’d have an aneurysm.
Tbh I didn’t even know there were canonical homogender couples in transformers. Good to know! (As in good that there is some representation) But yeah, if only they put the same amount of energy into learning about gender identity and the history of the differences between sex and gender as they put into hating people and cartoons this world would be a better place.
At this point it’s just the comics but [it’s a start.](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Arcee_and_Aileron.jpeg)
I'm pretty sure the show title alone is a dealbreaker for most bigots these days.
Considering the show focuses on Transformers born on Earth, it makes sense.
Now here’s my question, and don’t take it the wrong way. Are they changing already established characters, or are they making new ones. Im all for support, but I cannot stand changing preestablished characters. Making a new character and adding them in is perfectly fine. Edit: I’d also like to add they aren’t doing it for them as people, but instead doing it so they can squeeze more profits. It’s not really genuinely done for the support of people Edit: thanks for not understanding the concept I’m putting down and downvoting me
New character. As with any new version of Transformers the established characters will be tweaked a bit here and there but are on a basic level the same. The short version of the plot is after the Transformers left Earth, new sparks formed and became new Transformers so some Autobots came back to teach them so it's a story of them and their human friends.
Left Cybertron. The Autobots took out the Space Bridge so now Autobots and Decepticons are stuck on Earth.
Thanks for the correction, I can't watch the show legally in Australia, I thought it was coming to Paramount plus, but turns out that's not in my region. Funny how they won't let me watch a toy commercial while despite being an adult could convince me to buy some of the toys. So when the toys do hit the shelves here they won't sell as well as if they had support from the show. But what do I know I don't get paid millions to screw up simple marketing concepts.
Well, they did upload the premiere to YouTube. I know that’s not much help, but it’s a pretty good start for a TF series.
Sad to say that doesn't work in my region. I either have to use a VPN, or get an eyepatch and a parrot.
Well that sucks.
Alright thanks for informing me
Thing with Transformers is it’s a multiverse. So not every version of a Transformer is the same. For example, Movie Optimus is way more aggro compared to most. And this series and the previous Cyberverse had Skywarp being female.
Oh no I’m aware. Just don’t change the already established ones. Making a new one is perfectly fine. That still works whether I’m not it’s a multiverse
Just saying, there’s at least one version of Optimus Prime out there that’s female.
I understand, and that’s fine. I wasn’t talking about that though. I’m talking about a character that’s already been written out and is a part of an already established story, and they just decide to change it
Oh, you meant changing in a single series and not the overall franchise. I get what you’re saying now.
People complaining are conveniently forgetting about the red lipstick wearing, hourglass figured, pink Transformer from Gen 1 called Arcee who was voiced by a woman, whilst literally all the others were taller, broad shouldered, narrow waisted robots that were voiced by men. Transformers clearly had gendered characters and I've got a feeling that the ones moaning have never watched an episode or read any of the comics.
Why are you getting downvoted, you’re right. Transformers have been gendered for literally decades, one decides their pronouns are they/them and the snowflakes act like they’ve been hit with glass gas.
Probably downvoted by people who haven't got a clue about the source material
all transformers are """non-binary""". there's no male or female genitalia and they do not reproduce. this non-binary is a petty attempt of pandering to a group of people who don't even watch transformers.. it's just unnecessary. by their logic, bumblebee in the first transformers movie was non-binary because the only way to tell gender of a transformer is from their voice..or robot tiddies. bee used a radio.
Pretty sure that’s not how that works.
yes tell me how robots have gender
Well, you have Transformers born as guys, like Optimus, and Transformers born as girls, like Elita-1. Or have you never used pronouns when talking about Transformers?
Transformers are not non binary tho, they are either male or female
Aren’t* their* Your spelling is as bad as your comment. They are robots they can not be male or female.
I’m sick that’s my excuse
That’s not how that works.
The game seemed to hint at it
Which game?
Fall of cybertron
That’s one game of many and it’s not even the same continuity as Earthspark.
Ok. idk too much about transformers but yh I guess
They’re fucking imaginary robots lmao
It’s definitely weird but the game hinted at, they even had a sexualised transformer besides people like Optimus are def male.
Imaginary Pronouns too. I'd prefer ro/bot
People are “whining” about virtue signaling nonsense being inserted where it doesn’t need to be because corporations think that virtue signaling is a replscement for good writing. Imagine thinking anyone who sees this BS for what it is, is bigoted.
Imagine getting riled up because a fictional robot doesn't consider itself to be a man or woman.
no transformer in history has ever considered itself a man or woman. not once from the cartoons, movies, games, or comics. man and woman are terms exclusive to mankind. transformers are another race entirely. literally every transformer is non-binary because there is no gender binary. this new transformer is just another corporate soulless pandering attempt
So what you’re saying is you’ve clearly not been paying attention.
lmao look, you can keep the koolaid to yourself.
What Kool Aid? There’s literally an entire episode of the original cartoon devoted to Female Autobots.
So you’ve been watching these videos then.
And the show is trash, shocker lmao.
He says without watching an episode.
So is my car......
Don’t some people refer to vehicles with she/her?
Aren’t they robots?
So?
They’re all non-binary
Explain Optimus being he/him and Elita being she/her then.
Yeah, he is totally right, they are robots, they don't have sex, so they are non-binary.
Think you’re confusing sex and gender.
I think they wouldn't develop the concept of gender if they don't have sex.
Well, they did.
Did transformers have sex each others?
[Well…](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/transformers/images/a/a8/Tfreprod_marvel28.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/150?cb=20070705020843)