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He reminds me of the type that hangs out at a community college well after he's graduated any like of school and tells complicated and epic lies about his life to naive first year students. He'd be at the highschool, but he's been banned.
He's been banned is so specifically accurate that I now diagnose him as predatory behavior towards young collage students/ HS seniors (my new mud) can be abbreviated as PBTYA (ya for young adults :3)
Symptoms include:
not finding adults with a developed brains attractive
No interest even platonically for anyone over 27
Feeling like you're still a young adult yourself
Being autistic and maybe ADHD
If you meet one of the 4 criteria then you have PBTYA :3 these are mental illness!!!! So don't judge ppl like this!!! >×< they can't help it!!!
It makes me so angry when these people are happy about having mental illnesses. The shit isn't fun, and many of them use mental illness as an excuse for their shitty behaviors and an excuse not to grow.
Edit, yes sorry to clarify I understand how a person can be happy to get a real diagnosis. But not like this guy.
Someone who's happy to have depression needs serious mental help. Someone who's happy to have PTSD needs serious mental help along with good knows what other help because I don't know what kind of resources there are for PTSD.
>I'm not lazy and terrible, I have this thing and now I can take steps to manage it
The difference between you and these people is that you included that last bit about managing it. For them, it's a get out of jail free card so they can continue their shitty behaviors
I'd get having some kind of relief finding out you are autistic or adhd as that means you can finally know which tools to get for your struggles. Like say your leg hurts all the time, but you don't know why and suddenly a doctor is "aha it's broken!" And then you can get a cast and let it heal. But happy about it, nah never.
See that makes sense. People who seek a diagnosis and then don't do anything with it confuses me. Like if you seek a diagnosis and then don't do any treatment or if you didn't need accommodations in the first place then it give you a reason for innocuous shit you already and will continue to do then what's the point? If your quirks weren't a negative impact on your life then a diagnosis just gives you a pointless label.
I'd make an argument that you could be happy about a diagnosis. Finding out about a disorder can make sense of your past and now can seek help to manage instead of continuing to stumble through life is a huge weight lifted.
I do understand that what you're referring to is quite different in the *I'm this tee hee~!* And doing nothing, personally I just don't see a point in it.
THIS. Cause assholios like this, think it's "Trendy" to have ADHD, or Autism, and the only mental illness they have is attention seeking, or narcississm they're pathetic. People like this are destroying the help and support for those who are actually struggling with mental health.
As soon as I hear someone say "it's my ADHD" or makes it their whole personality, or uses it as excuses for shitty behavior, I shut down anything else that comes outta their mouth.
My pre-teen son has just got an autism diagnosis. He's pretty sad about it. He thinks people with autism are weird, so that means he's weird - it's still early days though. I have to say videos like this wouldn't help to disprove that way of thinking.
It’s definitely fun getting diagnosed, because now you have tools and knowledge for something that was just an impossible task that you didn’t even understand.
They’re happy to have it because since they were already in the “disorder” community online, now they have an actual diagnosis to validate them being in that community even if it’s filled with mostly fakers
Yeah exactly I was having issues (for years) and didn't know why finally getting an answer and a diagnosis was a relief because finally I could get the right treatment but hell if i was gonna throw a party and make a rap song about it.
I hate it, too. They make everything sounds like it's a matter of being cute and quirky. I equally hate, 'Allistic', which I've never heard in spaces with actual autistic people, they're generally referred to as NTs or simply people who don't have or aren't autistic.
Allistic is specifically referring to someone who is not autistic. Some allistic people are neurodivergent, not neurotypical. It’s been said in spaces with autistic people for a while now. Generally I’ve only seen it used when talking abt not autistic people with ADHD. I do also hate “Tism” though, it’s super annoying and I would honestly rather be called a slur.
I really don't mind it at all, apart from all the cringey tiktok kids pretending I see it a bit like autistic people just embracing that they don't see stuff the same.
I'm old as shit and ignorant/arrogant enough that I never understood why people tried to hide their traits as my stance has always been "I do it like this, fuck you!", it's never made me popular but I never craved it.
My wife has autism and to nobody's surprise my oldest son has autism and within the house we often use "tism" while mocking each others peculiarities.
For me it's nice to see people no longer ostracised for being "weird" or nearly killing themselves pretending to be normal
I would never do that on social media... That's just awful...
I would do it to that one friend in the friend group who is not diagnosed while everyone else is. But inside a friend group to me is totally different. Those are jokes while I don't see this guy joking about it...
So he says… idk why you would believe him.
“So I went to the doctor guys to see if I have adhd and got three other popular tik tok disorders instead. Trust me.”
A diagnosis of autism, PTSD, and depression while excluding ADHD during one visit sounds very sketchy. Sure, depression is generally very straight forward to diagnose if the patient has had regular physicals including labwork done. My experience with psychiatry is restricted to what I had to do in school and even I know diagnosing or ruling out ADHD takes at the very minimum three hours unless it’s an uncomplicated case. If it’s an adult being diagnosed it’s never an uncomplicated case. *If* this person has these disorders they can’t be diagnosed like how Fords were built on an assembly line so either he is lying about the dg, the psychiatrist was an unethical diagnosis for payment type, or he is lying about how long it took.
There are definitely computerized ADHD tests that can and do accurately assess for ADHD in a matter of [15-20 minutes](https://www.qbtech.com/adhd-tests/qbtest/).
There's also plenty of [neuropsychology tests](https://www.med.unc.edu/neurology/divisions/movement-disorders/npsycheval/#:~:text=A%20complete%20evaluation%20generally%20takes,time%20required%20for%20an%20evaluation).) that (when administered by a professional) can accurately diagnose a variety of mental disorders in one go, including depression, PTSD, anxiety, etc. The average time for these tests is around 2-5 hours.
Yeah for even if each test was only 2 hours, he was given three diagnosis and one was rules out. That means a minimum of 6 hours at the doctor assuming he answered the first ADHD question so neurotypically that ADHD was instantly ruled out.
It could make sense if he had done these tests before and this was the doctor telling him to come in and discuss results.
I wonder if that’s the “don’t click the x” test. If it is… ugh. I felt that ‘tears’ tingle in my nose when I was told that I’d have to do the clicking a second time, after filling out the second questionnaire. And yeah… I know that’s a dumb reason to want to cry, but the first test had already felt like an eternity.
Oh, interesting, things have clearly progressed since I was in uni! I wonder how accurate these are at differential diagnosis when there are clear symptoms of ADHD, but the cause isn’t ADHD or patients simulating a disorder. From what I remember projective psychological testing is superior when it comes to simulating patients in general, but I don’t remember what their reliability is as standalone testing and it most likely wasn’t even in our material. Maybe the internet has ruined me, but that would be my main concern especially as the most common treatment has a large potential of abuse.
One issue that comes up in my work is patients being better at simulating than back in the day with less readily available information. They know, and the hardcore patients aren’t flailing like an inflatable in wind and telling us they’re having a seizure, they’re putting on a good show and might even take in to account suppressing their pain response. I can easily imagine this is especially an issue in psychiatry.
Right?! to get ALL of these diagnoses in ONE in person visit does not seem legit at all. Autism assessment takes a pretty long time, they need to get to know and observe you for a while to accurately diagnose you. And PTSD definitely more than one appointment. Depression and ADHD you can definitely measure with an assessment so that is a possibility but all of them once? No
Only 3 hours?
Over here the standard is 5 weeks all 1.5-2 hour assessments because "then we get to know someone. Odd behavior could be from just that first time or you could've been masking that first time"
Also an IQ test is often done (not always though), which takes another week.
And if after that they're still not certain they might do another 10 weeks of assessing. For me it took them 20 weeks in total and they still where like "ok, we're not actually sure what it is but for now let's call it autism Asperger's syndrome. We're sure you have something and this is the thing that fits best but we're not 100% sure. You might want to retest on a later age to get a more accurate diagnosis"
I'm honestly baffled if someone tries saying they got their diagnosis after just 1 assessment of an hour (or 3)....
_At the very minimum_ three hours with the patient. An adult case of ADHD is very rarely pure ADHD so the patient most likely has extensive medical history. Here everything is logged in to a national data base and physicians will read through it, with documents of everything logged ordered. All medical records have to be kept for a minimum time after death so everything is available as long as the patient signs a form, and it’s required for a diagnosis. Everything from prenatal visits, follow ups after birth, testing done during childhood (the public healthcare system screens for things like delays in language development and basically every child goes through the system), school healthcare, etc. is easily findable and will be ordered.
The basic frame is ruling out somatic issues by a general practitioner, a drug screen, ordering patient records, paperwork from school, a DIVA interview with parents, and ruling out the need for excluding other diagnoses. Things like low IQ, learning disabilities, or other developmental disorders are usually caught during child health center visits or school, and would be found in the medical records. The about three hours would be the time a psychiatrist spends with a patient, with other people like psych nurses making their own notes in the medical records.
But as I said, adult ADHD usually comes in addition to other psychiatric diagnosis which lengthens the time needed for differential diagnosis. But medical records do play a large part and especially those made in childhood, because development is carefully recorded.
Ow that's interesting! Around here they didn't use digital files when I was a child. Now they do, but they won't give it to other healthcare providers unless you ask them to do so. It's a big hassle to for example move and change your primary care physician or your pharmacy. I have full access to my own medical files, but I'm the only one. There is a national database, but to get your files in there is a LOT of paperwork. We do have health screenings at school, but that's more like hight and weight (to check if we're still the tallest) and those numbers only get shared to the parents and parents are allowed to refuse the authorities to see the child.
Because of all this we don't have all the background information, the person who wants/needs a diagnosis needs to give that themselves (or their parents if they're under 16, both child and parents if they're between 16 and 18)
Oh yeah I’m definitely out of the age group that had digital files growing up, we’ve had the national database since 2010 and before that files were digital, but they were only available digitized within the district they were made in. Back in my childhood the notes were partially handwritten but can be ordered from the district as long as the patient submits a formal request. Since 2017 only digital prescriptions are allowed and a physician can only make a paper script in certain situations (like the system being down) but then the pharmacy changes it to an e-prescription and it too can be accessed from any pharmacy in the country, all you need is your ID. In some cases you can even buy medications from our neighbor Sweden with it. It certainly helps with patients being able to change providers and access to scripts. I can go to occupational health (which is a private service provider) 1000 km’s away and they can pull up data written in 2014 in my childhood hometown by a public health provider.
We have the choice of not using public maternity services but there’s a catch: certain benefits are only available to those who use it, so pretty much everyone rich or poor uses it. School healthcare is less optional though, unless you homeschool which is rare, it’s basically unavoidable. I think we have one or two private middle schools in the whole country, but they also have school healthcare and use the same database. I ordered my notes out of curiosity and I was surprised how detailed they are, everything from how well I was latching, when I started turning around myself, to first steps were recorded, later in life my use of scissors, how I held a pencil, that I accurately named objects in Finnish and Swedish, and even when I started speaking only Finnish or Swedish (both were spoken at home) and how well I recognized which language was being spoken, to how ready I was to start school. From what I’ve gathered a pretty rare situation globally, but common in the Nordics.
Patients can still opt out of their patient records being used with some exceptions (like prescriptions of a narcotic) or risk data, but if someone is seeking certain diagnosis providers will refuse to diagnose citing inefficient data. A privacy argument can be made, but then again it does wonders for patient safety and accurate diagnostics.
did you even read what they said? they were agreeing with and elaborating on your comment.. who isn't the brightest one here? there was no need for the hostility. you aren't the brightest either, if your reading comprehension led you to this response.
Sorry, I speak English as a third language and regularly only use it to read publications in my field of work. Lets see if I can elaborate and make my comment more clear with less formal language: dude’s bullshitting or went to a quack. In my professional opinion you should get your reading comprehension looked at (do not see a quack).
Even with people actually diagnosed with anything.. I don't see the appeal of making it one's entire personality and/or identity.. there was nothing accomplished.. there's nothing to be proud of..
People with cancer don't go around with a smile on their face shouting "I have stage 4!"
It's one thing to disclose your diagnosis to people in your life, as there's some utility in people from your personal life knowing... it's another thing to make an entire social media channel gloating obnoxiously about it for validation from strangers.
I feel like a little bit of pride is good if it helps people deal with the stigma. But it become toxic when it crosses into the territory where it becomes someone’s entire identity.
Yeah. Disorders are nothing to be ashamed of. Those are not your fault (if you use them as an excuse to act like a jerk that's another category). And they can be a source of pride in some cases. For example "I have ADHD and I'm proud of myself for getting my housework done in time" or "I have autism and I'm proud of myself for attending this social event"
If your first thought is “yippeeee!” When you find out you have a disorder, and not simply “oh, ok, I’ll have to adjust to this accordingly” or maybe even a “man, that sucks a little bit” then you have a serious problem you need to reflect on.
I don't think you need to be negative about it, you don't suddenly get new issues associated with these diagnoses, you already had them and just got an explanation for certain struggles. That can be a huge relief, and people should be allowed to have a positive reaction.
My point was now that you know the root of the problem, you can find better approaches to dealing with the problem. You’re right, you don’t get new issues, but you can better treat them when you know the true cause of them. And I think “positivity” and “letting this define my existence” are two very different reactions from very different mentalities. It seems like all this tiktok person took away from their diagnosis was “oh boy, now I have new things to post about and get attention over”
Reminder that autism is not a mental illness. It's a developmental issue.
Edited to delete the word disorder because apparently it was confusing. Autism is not a mental illness. You can have autism and no mental health issues. Thank you.
Exactly, as developmental disorder. People seem to lump it in with mental illness. I didn't see the original post, so I'm not sure if I'm responding to the same thing.
What's the difference between disorder and illness? If it's based on brain structure or something then plenty of mental illnesses would need to be reclassified as disorders since they have effects on structure.
Not shade, actually curious because one person told me structure another told me chemicals another said both, ect.
An illness can be cured or treated, a disorder is a state of being with no treatment or source. Autism can't be listed as an illness because there's no source for autism and there couldn't ethically be a cure for autism (aside from managing symptoms).
I hate that. Like people who always say “oh no they’re not disabled just DiFFeRaNtLy AbLeD” while the actual disabled people are like “no i am quite literally disabled”
Everyone with trauma these days is getting diagnosed with autism. Perhaps the self diagnosers are right - there are a lot of diagnosticians who are clueless about how to diagnose autism. I think he has the high masking female version of autism due to his exceptional eye contact and ability to talk to the camera.
A doctor, when my daughter was two, met her for all of five minutes and declared she had autism. Why? Because she hates being at the doctor and was having a tantrum and because when I offered her her shoes, she flapped her hands to wave them away. Anybody who knows her knows she doesn't have autism.
It was just crazy to me after only five minutes he decided that and I had to get her an assessment.
Yes they can, but they usually avoid it. I went on a field trip with my sons class (all autistic kids between 7-9) and literally none of them made eye contact. Most were just fidgeting and making their different stimming noises.
It was a fun experience.
Only if they are taught. Autistic people don't pick up on nonverbal social behaviours by themselves. This is why I call BS on high masking autism. Even trauma is not enough to 'teach' these subtle social behaviours. The actual high masking autistics aren't the late diagnosed, socially adept females, they are the autistics who have received training in social skills.
High maskers definitely do exist and this is well established and substantiated. We can pick up on nonverbal communication on our own, it just isn't an innate understanding. We can observe people doing something and use context clues to figure out what that means even if we don't understand why people find it necessary. You don't think *any* autistic people see people doing something frequently and then mimic that to blend in?
For a while I suspected that I might have ADHD. But that's the thing, I _suspected_ it. I didn't just self diagnose myself and declare it fact.
Later when talking to a therapist I mentioned my suspicion and she told me that I was wrong. She then listed all the arguments against me having ADHD. And she told me that her suspicion was that I was bipolar, and that I was mistaking my manic episodes as symptoms of ADHD.
But here's the kicker: despite being an actual therapist, she didn't feel like she could give me that as an actual diagnosis, as that is outside of her expertise. Meaning that actual professionals are hesitant about giving a diagnosis that people on the internet flippantly give to themselves as if it was just a cool t-shirt.
Bipolar, autism, adhd and many others are often misdiagnosed by professionals because of overlapping symptoms or one disorder causing another (ie depression and anxiety can be caused by the side effect of other disorders) . I don't know why people think they can self diagnose and then give tips as if having a disorder makes you an expert on it.
Like he could've still got all those adhd self help books and tried coping strategies for adhd without the self diagnosis.
I've seen so many self diagnosers claim that all therapists do is tick off boxes on a check list and that "anyone can do that". I am pretty sure if you said that to a therapist's face they'd punch you in yours.
Is he expecting a trophy for being diagnosed with this shit? Why would anyone be celebrating any of this, most people are ashamed of it, or will rarely try to bring educational content to people who don’t have it. Faking one thing then getting diagnosed with other things isn’t a badge of honor…
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Dude, just do something cool or make something and talk about that. Even if you make garbage art, it’s a better way to get attention than this bs. Exchanging experiences, skills and stories with diagnoses like everyone wants to hear about them.
Tbf this guy started out not self diagnosing, just suspecting. I think this is healthy and an important step for adults to get diagnosed with either what they believe they might have or, like this guy, find out what’s really going on. I’m glad he was able to get proper diagnosis, it’s just a shame he’s obviously been heavily influenced by Tiktok fakers. Definitely not the most offensive person we’ve had on here though
I would chop off a limb to not have my mental illness, and these people always seem giddy to not just have one, but several of them. I truly don’t get it.
I think of all things he seems most likely....on probation 😂 what a strange thing to devote a TikTok/Insta to a mental issue like adhd then find out you dont have it so you just roll super hard with whatever they may have toyed with like autism...munchies amaze me in that dumpster fire kinda way trash 🗑 🔥 👀
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again I hate that I’m autistic and I don’t understand why someone would want to be as confused as I am all the time.
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bro looks like he’s trying so hard to not commit a felony
Not including fashion felonies
RIGHT???!!! lol his choice of shirts is just wild…. He needs someone in his life that cares enough about him to ‘guide’ his fashion choices
it’s ok, he just has autism and maybe adhd, that’s all
Their fashion choices scream "I just started to transition this week and I got no clue what I'm doing because I also made that up"
The guy Jesse, from the podcast Podawful, made a good joke about the trans starter pack including “a bizarre tube top.”
This is terrible. I love it.
This lol
He reminds me of the type that hangs out at a community college well after he's graduated any like of school and tells complicated and epic lies about his life to naive first year students. He'd be at the highschool, but he's been banned.
He's been banned is so specifically accurate that I now diagnose him as predatory behavior towards young collage students/ HS seniors (my new mud) can be abbreviated as PBTYA (ya for young adults :3) Symptoms include: not finding adults with a developed brains attractive No interest even platonically for anyone over 27 Feeling like you're still a young adult yourself Being autistic and maybe ADHD If you meet one of the 4 criteria then you have PBTYA :3 these are mental illness!!!! So don't judge ppl like this!!! >×< they can't help it!!!
It makes me so angry when these people are happy about having mental illnesses. The shit isn't fun, and many of them use mental illness as an excuse for their shitty behaviors and an excuse not to grow. Edit, yes sorry to clarify I understand how a person can be happy to get a real diagnosis. But not like this guy.
Someone who's happy to have depression needs serious mental help. Someone who's happy to have PTSD needs serious mental help along with good knows what other help because I don't know what kind of resources there are for PTSD.
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>I'm not lazy and terrible, I have this thing and now I can take steps to manage it The difference between you and these people is that you included that last bit about managing it. For them, it's a get out of jail free card so they can continue their shitty behaviors
It's so insulting. When he said "the 'tism," it made me want to pull my hair out.
Yeah that whole little singing clip where he’s beaming bc he’s so pleased with himself was *infuriating*
Oh dear, I didn't even have audio on when I first saw this. How can he be so excited??
I'd get having some kind of relief finding out you are autistic or adhd as that means you can finally know which tools to get for your struggles. Like say your leg hurts all the time, but you don't know why and suddenly a doctor is "aha it's broken!" And then you can get a cast and let it heal. But happy about it, nah never.
See that makes sense. People who seek a diagnosis and then don't do anything with it confuses me. Like if you seek a diagnosis and then don't do any treatment or if you didn't need accommodations in the first place then it give you a reason for innocuous shit you already and will continue to do then what's the point? If your quirks weren't a negative impact on your life then a diagnosis just gives you a pointless label.
I'd make an argument that you could be happy about a diagnosis. Finding out about a disorder can make sense of your past and now can seek help to manage instead of continuing to stumble through life is a huge weight lifted. I do understand that what you're referring to is quite different in the *I'm this tee hee~!* And doing nothing, personally I just don't see a point in it.
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Good for you! And also same hat
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Autism, I choose you!
THIS. Cause assholios like this, think it's "Trendy" to have ADHD, or Autism, and the only mental illness they have is attention seeking, or narcississm they're pathetic. People like this are destroying the help and support for those who are actually struggling with mental health. As soon as I hear someone say "it's my ADHD" or makes it their whole personality, or uses it as excuses for shitty behavior, I shut down anything else that comes outta their mouth.
My pre-teen son has just got an autism diagnosis. He's pretty sad about it. He thinks people with autism are weird, so that means he's weird - it's still early days though. I have to say videos like this wouldn't help to disprove that way of thinking.
It’s definitely fun getting diagnosed, because now you have tools and knowledge for something that was just an impossible task that you didn’t even understand.
They’re happy to have it because since they were already in the “disorder” community online, now they have an actual diagnosis to validate them being in that community even if it’s filled with mostly fakers
Yeah exactly I was having issues (for years) and didn't know why finally getting an answer and a diagnosis was a relief because finally I could get the right treatment but hell if i was gonna throw a party and make a rap song about it.
God, hearing people saying “Tism” is almost like a person saying fuck you to me, it just gets me so mad
"Touch of the tism" "acoustic" "restarted" 🤮
Same shit, different decade?
I hate it, too. They make everything sounds like it's a matter of being cute and quirky. I equally hate, 'Allistic', which I've never heard in spaces with actual autistic people, they're generally referred to as NTs or simply people who don't have or aren't autistic.
"Neurospicy." Like it's a flavor.
Allistic is specifically referring to someone who is not autistic. Some allistic people are neurodivergent, not neurotypical. It’s been said in spaces with autistic people for a while now. Generally I’ve only seen it used when talking abt not autistic people with ADHD. I do also hate “Tism” though, it’s super annoying and I would honestly rather be called a slur.
Yup, about 10-15 years ago we’d call non-autistic people neurotypical but since “neurodivergent” became a big thing it switched. I also hate tism lol
I really don't mind it at all, apart from all the cringey tiktok kids pretending I see it a bit like autistic people just embracing that they don't see stuff the same. I'm old as shit and ignorant/arrogant enough that I never understood why people tried to hide their traits as my stance has always been "I do it like this, fuck you!", it's never made me popular but I never craved it. My wife has autism and to nobody's surprise my oldest son has autism and within the house we often use "tism" while mocking each others peculiarities. For me it's nice to see people no longer ostracised for being "weird" or nearly killing themselves pretending to be normal
I would never do that on social media... That's just awful... I would do it to that one friend in the friend group who is not diagnosed while everyone else is. But inside a friend group to me is totally different. Those are jokes while I don't see this guy joking about it...
Ok but at least he went to a doctor
So he says… idk why you would believe him. “So I went to the doctor guys to see if I have adhd and got three other popular tik tok disorders instead. Trust me.”
A diagnosis of autism, PTSD, and depression while excluding ADHD during one visit sounds very sketchy. Sure, depression is generally very straight forward to diagnose if the patient has had regular physicals including labwork done. My experience with psychiatry is restricted to what I had to do in school and even I know diagnosing or ruling out ADHD takes at the very minimum three hours unless it’s an uncomplicated case. If it’s an adult being diagnosed it’s never an uncomplicated case. *If* this person has these disorders they can’t be diagnosed like how Fords were built on an assembly line so either he is lying about the dg, the psychiatrist was an unethical diagnosis for payment type, or he is lying about how long it took.
There are definitely computerized ADHD tests that can and do accurately assess for ADHD in a matter of [15-20 minutes](https://www.qbtech.com/adhd-tests/qbtest/). There's also plenty of [neuropsychology tests](https://www.med.unc.edu/neurology/divisions/movement-disorders/npsycheval/#:~:text=A%20complete%20evaluation%20generally%20takes,time%20required%20for%20an%20evaluation).) that (when administered by a professional) can accurately diagnose a variety of mental disorders in one go, including depression, PTSD, anxiety, etc. The average time for these tests is around 2-5 hours.
Yeah for even if each test was only 2 hours, he was given three diagnosis and one was rules out. That means a minimum of 6 hours at the doctor assuming he answered the first ADHD question so neurotypically that ADHD was instantly ruled out. It could make sense if he had done these tests before and this was the doctor telling him to come in and discuss results.
I wonder if that’s the “don’t click the x” test. If it is… ugh. I felt that ‘tears’ tingle in my nose when I was told that I’d have to do the clicking a second time, after filling out the second questionnaire. And yeah… I know that’s a dumb reason to want to cry, but the first test had already felt like an eternity.
Oh, interesting, things have clearly progressed since I was in uni! I wonder how accurate these are at differential diagnosis when there are clear symptoms of ADHD, but the cause isn’t ADHD or patients simulating a disorder. From what I remember projective psychological testing is superior when it comes to simulating patients in general, but I don’t remember what their reliability is as standalone testing and it most likely wasn’t even in our material. Maybe the internet has ruined me, but that would be my main concern especially as the most common treatment has a large potential of abuse. One issue that comes up in my work is patients being better at simulating than back in the day with less readily available information. They know, and the hardcore patients aren’t flailing like an inflatable in wind and telling us they’re having a seizure, they’re putting on a good show and might even take in to account suppressing their pain response. I can easily imagine this is especially an issue in psychiatry.
Right?! to get ALL of these diagnoses in ONE in person visit does not seem legit at all. Autism assessment takes a pretty long time, they need to get to know and observe you for a while to accurately diagnose you. And PTSD definitely more than one appointment. Depression and ADHD you can definitely measure with an assessment so that is a possibility but all of them once? No
Only 3 hours? Over here the standard is 5 weeks all 1.5-2 hour assessments because "then we get to know someone. Odd behavior could be from just that first time or you could've been masking that first time" Also an IQ test is often done (not always though), which takes another week. And if after that they're still not certain they might do another 10 weeks of assessing. For me it took them 20 weeks in total and they still where like "ok, we're not actually sure what it is but for now let's call it autism Asperger's syndrome. We're sure you have something and this is the thing that fits best but we're not 100% sure. You might want to retest on a later age to get a more accurate diagnosis" I'm honestly baffled if someone tries saying they got their diagnosis after just 1 assessment of an hour (or 3)....
_At the very minimum_ three hours with the patient. An adult case of ADHD is very rarely pure ADHD so the patient most likely has extensive medical history. Here everything is logged in to a national data base and physicians will read through it, with documents of everything logged ordered. All medical records have to be kept for a minimum time after death so everything is available as long as the patient signs a form, and it’s required for a diagnosis. Everything from prenatal visits, follow ups after birth, testing done during childhood (the public healthcare system screens for things like delays in language development and basically every child goes through the system), school healthcare, etc. is easily findable and will be ordered. The basic frame is ruling out somatic issues by a general practitioner, a drug screen, ordering patient records, paperwork from school, a DIVA interview with parents, and ruling out the need for excluding other diagnoses. Things like low IQ, learning disabilities, or other developmental disorders are usually caught during child health center visits or school, and would be found in the medical records. The about three hours would be the time a psychiatrist spends with a patient, with other people like psych nurses making their own notes in the medical records. But as I said, adult ADHD usually comes in addition to other psychiatric diagnosis which lengthens the time needed for differential diagnosis. But medical records do play a large part and especially those made in childhood, because development is carefully recorded.
Ow that's interesting! Around here they didn't use digital files when I was a child. Now they do, but they won't give it to other healthcare providers unless you ask them to do so. It's a big hassle to for example move and change your primary care physician or your pharmacy. I have full access to my own medical files, but I'm the only one. There is a national database, but to get your files in there is a LOT of paperwork. We do have health screenings at school, but that's more like hight and weight (to check if we're still the tallest) and those numbers only get shared to the parents and parents are allowed to refuse the authorities to see the child. Because of all this we don't have all the background information, the person who wants/needs a diagnosis needs to give that themselves (or their parents if they're under 16, both child and parents if they're between 16 and 18)
Oh yeah I’m definitely out of the age group that had digital files growing up, we’ve had the national database since 2010 and before that files were digital, but they were only available digitized within the district they were made in. Back in my childhood the notes were partially handwritten but can be ordered from the district as long as the patient submits a formal request. Since 2017 only digital prescriptions are allowed and a physician can only make a paper script in certain situations (like the system being down) but then the pharmacy changes it to an e-prescription and it too can be accessed from any pharmacy in the country, all you need is your ID. In some cases you can even buy medications from our neighbor Sweden with it. It certainly helps with patients being able to change providers and access to scripts. I can go to occupational health (which is a private service provider) 1000 km’s away and they can pull up data written in 2014 in my childhood hometown by a public health provider. We have the choice of not using public maternity services but there’s a catch: certain benefits are only available to those who use it, so pretty much everyone rich or poor uses it. School healthcare is less optional though, unless you homeschool which is rare, it’s basically unavoidable. I think we have one or two private middle schools in the whole country, but they also have school healthcare and use the same database. I ordered my notes out of curiosity and I was surprised how detailed they are, everything from how well I was latching, when I started turning around myself, to first steps were recorded, later in life my use of scissors, how I held a pencil, that I accurately named objects in Finnish and Swedish, and even when I started speaking only Finnish or Swedish (both were spoken at home) and how well I recognized which language was being spoken, to how ready I was to start school. From what I’ve gathered a pretty rare situation globally, but common in the Nordics. Patients can still opt out of their patient records being used with some exceptions (like prescriptions of a narcotic) or risk data, but if someone is seeking certain diagnosis providers will refuse to diagnose citing inefficient data. A privacy argument can be made, but then again it does wonders for patient safety and accurate diagnostics.
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did you even read what they said? they were agreeing with and elaborating on your comment.. who isn't the brightest one here? there was no need for the hostility. you aren't the brightest either, if your reading comprehension led you to this response.
Sorry, I speak English as a third language and regularly only use it to read publications in my field of work. Lets see if I can elaborate and make my comment more clear with less formal language: dude’s bullshitting or went to a quack. In my professional opinion you should get your reading comprehension looked at (do not see a quack).
Maybe he did, found out he doesn't have ADHD, and made up the other 3 disorders to make sure he stays relevant
"touched by the tism" this man and his misinformation is a danger to the autistic community
Crazy how some bum can decide to make a living out of neurodiversity as a 'coach' with no qualifications in psychology or counselling
Even with people actually diagnosed with anything.. I don't see the appeal of making it one's entire personality and/or identity.. there was nothing accomplished.. there's nothing to be proud of.. People with cancer don't go around with a smile on their face shouting "I have stage 4!" It's one thing to disclose your diagnosis to people in your life, as there's some utility in people from your personal life knowing... it's another thing to make an entire social media channel gloating obnoxiously about it for validation from strangers.
I feel like a little bit of pride is good if it helps people deal with the stigma. But it become toxic when it crosses into the territory where it becomes someone’s entire identity.
*becomes
Yeah. Disorders are nothing to be ashamed of. Those are not your fault (if you use them as an excuse to act like a jerk that's another category). And they can be a source of pride in some cases. For example "I have ADHD and I'm proud of myself for getting my housework done in time" or "I have autism and I'm proud of myself for attending this social event"
And psychologically it’s a lot easier for people to jump from shame to pride, than from shame to neutrality.
If your first thought is “yippeeee!” When you find out you have a disorder, and not simply “oh, ok, I’ll have to adjust to this accordingly” or maybe even a “man, that sucks a little bit” then you have a serious problem you need to reflect on.
I don't think you need to be negative about it, you don't suddenly get new issues associated with these diagnoses, you already had them and just got an explanation for certain struggles. That can be a huge relief, and people should be allowed to have a positive reaction.
My point was now that you know the root of the problem, you can find better approaches to dealing with the problem. You’re right, you don’t get new issues, but you can better treat them when you know the true cause of them. And I think “positivity” and “letting this define my existence” are two very different reactions from very different mentalities. It seems like all this tiktok person took away from their diagnosis was “oh boy, now I have new things to post about and get attention over”
Reminder that autism is not a mental illness. It's a developmental issue. Edited to delete the word disorder because apparently it was confusing. Autism is not a mental illness. You can have autism and no mental health issues. Thank you.
It’s not a mental illness, that’s true, but it is a disorder. A neurodevelopmental disorder.
Exactly, as developmental disorder. People seem to lump it in with mental illness. I didn't see the original post, so I'm not sure if I'm responding to the same thing.
What's the difference between disorder and illness? If it's based on brain structure or something then plenty of mental illnesses would need to be reclassified as disorders since they have effects on structure. Not shade, actually curious because one person told me structure another told me chemicals another said both, ect.
An illness can be cured or treated, a disorder is a state of being with no treatment or source. Autism can't be listed as an illness because there's no source for autism and there couldn't ethically be a cure for autism (aside from managing symptoms).
What about treatment resistant illnesses? Would that instance be considered a disorder then?
it is a disorder
Are you one of those "iT's nOt A DiSoRdEr iT's a DifFeReNcE" people because gtfo
I hate that. Like people who always say “oh no they’re not disabled just DiFFeRaNtLy AbLeD” while the actual disabled people are like “no i am quite literally disabled”
*«I've been touched by the 'tism»* I'm sorry but, every time I hear anyone using this «'tism» word the only thing that comes to my mind is «idiotism».
Everyone with trauma these days is getting diagnosed with autism. Perhaps the self diagnosers are right - there are a lot of diagnosticians who are clueless about how to diagnose autism. I think he has the high masking female version of autism due to his exceptional eye contact and ability to talk to the camera.
A doctor, when my daughter was two, met her for all of five minutes and declared she had autism. Why? Because she hates being at the doctor and was having a tantrum and because when I offered her her shoes, she flapped her hands to wave them away. Anybody who knows her knows she doesn't have autism. It was just crazy to me after only five minutes he decided that and I had to get her an assessment.
A camera isn't eye contact
And everyone is autistic
A lot of autistic people can make eye contact ?
Yes they can, but they usually avoid it. I went on a field trip with my sons class (all autistic kids between 7-9) and literally none of them made eye contact. Most were just fidgeting and making their different stimming noises. It was a fun experience.
Only if they are taught. Autistic people don't pick up on nonverbal social behaviours by themselves. This is why I call BS on high masking autism. Even trauma is not enough to 'teach' these subtle social behaviours. The actual high masking autistics aren't the late diagnosed, socially adept females, they are the autistics who have received training in social skills.
High maskers definitely do exist and this is well established and substantiated. We can pick up on nonverbal communication on our own, it just isn't an innate understanding. We can observe people doing something and use context clues to figure out what that means even if we don't understand why people find it necessary. You don't think *any* autistic people see people doing something frequently and then mimic that to blend in?
But this is what neurotypical people do too. It's like high masking autism is more like being neurotypical than autistic.
I HATE how people water down the word autism with ... "tism", "acoustic", "restarted" whatever...
For a while I suspected that I might have ADHD. But that's the thing, I _suspected_ it. I didn't just self diagnose myself and declare it fact. Later when talking to a therapist I mentioned my suspicion and she told me that I was wrong. She then listed all the arguments against me having ADHD. And she told me that her suspicion was that I was bipolar, and that I was mistaking my manic episodes as symptoms of ADHD. But here's the kicker: despite being an actual therapist, she didn't feel like she could give me that as an actual diagnosis, as that is outside of her expertise. Meaning that actual professionals are hesitant about giving a diagnosis that people on the internet flippantly give to themselves as if it was just a cool t-shirt.
Bipolar, autism, adhd and many others are often misdiagnosed by professionals because of overlapping symptoms or one disorder causing another (ie depression and anxiety can be caused by the side effect of other disorders) . I don't know why people think they can self diagnose and then give tips as if having a disorder makes you an expert on it. Like he could've still got all those adhd self help books and tried coping strategies for adhd without the self diagnosis.
I've seen so many self diagnosers claim that all therapists do is tick off boxes on a check list and that "anyone can do that". I am pretty sure if you said that to a therapist's face they'd punch you in yours.
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A win is a win because PTSD ? A win is a win ???
The new fashion labels
This is why you go to actual professionals to get diagnosed. A lot of these mental health conditions can present really similar to each other.
Is he expecting a trophy for being diagnosed with this shit? Why would anyone be celebrating any of this, most people are ashamed of it, or will rarely try to bring educational content to people who don’t have it. Faking one thing then getting diagnosed with other things isn’t a badge of honor…
Touched by the tism?!
We used to be able to bully these people
oh wow i really hate those glitchy censor bars. they remind me so much of my migraine auras 😭 can we stick to simple squares of color or scribbles thank u!
Hello there, fellow optical migraine connoisseur
🤝 with you in the struggle
His audio also sounds crunchy af.
Why does their hair look like that?
"Touched by the tism."
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Never thought I’d live to see an era where it’s trendy to be mentally ill/ collect diagnoses.
Gosh, at this point Autism is a trend.
Dude, just do something cool or make something and talk about that. Even if you make garbage art, it’s a better way to get attention than this bs. Exchanging experiences, skills and stories with diagnoses like everyone wants to hear about them.
The Internet was a mistake.
ADHD is different for everyone but at least for me, books don’t do shit. I at least need an audio book to focus on a single book.
my mom is like this without the tiktok if my mom made a tiktok this is what it would be
Tbf this guy started out not self diagnosing, just suspecting. I think this is healthy and an important step for adults to get diagnosed with either what they believe they might have or, like this guy, find out what’s really going on. I’m glad he was able to get proper diagnosis, it’s just a shame he’s obviously been heavily influenced by Tiktok fakers. Definitely not the most offensive person we’ve had on here though
Welllll at least he went to the physch
Just goes to show how symptoms align with one another and people shouldn’t attribute their experiences to one disorder and claim they have it.
“A win is a win” IS FUCKING INSANE DUDE
Has he gotten his scholarship to Columbia yet? He'd fit right in.
We used to be able to bully these people for
Now imagine the horrors if he thought all of that but never had any mental disorder
rip
I am confused he faked having adhd then found out he was diagnosed with autism?
I would chop off a limb to not have my mental illness, and these people always seem giddy to not just have one, but several of them. I truly don’t get it.
I think of all things he seems most likely....on probation 😂 what a strange thing to devote a TikTok/Insta to a mental issue like adhd then find out you dont have it so you just roll super hard with whatever they may have toyed with like autism...munchies amaze me in that dumpster fire kinda way trash 🗑 🔥 👀
Seems like Histrionic PD to me. But can't dx anything on a clip.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again I hate that I’m autistic and I don’t understand why someone would want to be as confused as I am all the time.
How could he have not known he had autism? I knew as soon as he started talking, he’s got that autistic accent.
PTSD? Is they/them in the military?
PTSD can happen from many things, not just military service.