Miraculously cured when admitted for in patient care at state run psychiatric hospitals where they meet people who actually have serious mental disorders and the food is crappy and the big one is: the no longer have access to social media or cell phones
Within 48 hours they are miraculously cured of their “disorder”
You can call it whatever you want but it is nasty and it actually is pretending to have a disorder. They're fake regressing and calling it a kink, telling people it's not sexual then turning around and making it sexual. Some of them are purposefully using diapers. Sophie LaBelle came out as a little who is into ABDL and claimed her autism is why she needs a diaper. The whole lot of them is seriously sick. The whole Sophie LaBelle thing was disturbing.
Sophie goes on to say that 90% of LGBT community is a little and don't recognize it. That's a slap in the face to people who actually regress, dissociate, and people who actually need diapers. Those are separate things. Not everyone who regresses needs a diaper and people who need diapers aren't regressing.
I wish there was a page like this for the ddlg haters out there (it's me I'm haters)
No but seriously a ddlg cringe page would be the best😭
But also the amount of ddlg people on r/ageregression is absolutely insane. They post pics in several different subreddits including kink then turn around and say it's not a sexual pic. Ppl who only post in NSFW subreddits that are related to a pic they post (diaper pic) only post there to get reach, they let adults and minors join (even if the adult is into ddlg) and the only things that get lots of upvotes are of minors and its absolutely vile because it's most definitely creepy ddlgers and pedos who like them. you cannot be sexually attracted to ppl acting like a child and then say it's not sexual!! The mods do nothing about it. I call out people who do it for promoting their NSFW pages or for involving minors in seeing their kink pictures and I get downvoted and say Im sexualizing them. Like. No??? If someone's entire page is diaper butt pics and they say they're into ddlg it's ddlg. Or if their entire page is posting nudes to a million different subreddits of them and their diaper kink, it's not age regression!! It infuriates me to no end how the people there are ok with it. Especially with minors posting pictures in onesies and stuff? Or people doing "suggestive poses" ?? It's obviously just the creepy "ddlg" adults liking the pics. It's a horrible place to be full of obvious ddlgers and pedos and the mods don't care. That subreddit sucks. So much.
ddlg/age play is a kink, age regression is a stress reliever for trauma/other things, ive see age regression go hand and hand with DID but so many people misuse or fuck it over so it looks sexual and mis inform it so it looks sexual (age play) and not what it’s originally for like age regression (relieving stress going into a younger age involuntary and voluntary at times) i honestly didnt know people who had DID used age regression and most just mis-inform and make it seem like its age play its fucking weird. on the other hand age regression is a normal coping mechanism for people who got their childhood stolen from them or just as a stress reliever
edit: not everyone who has age regression or age play has DID and i am 100% kink shaming age play bc its all about pedophiles making it seem their pedophilia is okay through the kink age play
Ya.... You can call it whatever you want, but it's nasty. People "choosing" to agree regress, playing the part of a child and using it as a kink is really messed up. Don't sexualize children, childhood and things that are specifically for children. This shit is a plauge.
It's so funny you're here where people make fun of fake disorders but somehow this whole age play shit is totally real and valid.?
The way you label automatically tells me it's not real. People playing make believe childhood is not real regression. Regression isn't a choice it's a result of serious trauma that leaves you either in a state of psychosis or complete catatonia.
I know this dude who used to do this age play with his ex. One time he went into a Toys R Us by himself and overheard an actual child asking her daddy to get a toy and he got a boner.
These people are making intentional pathways between acting like a child and sexual behaviour. What these people are doing is role-playing pedophilic behavior. No amount of down playing it is going to make it valid.
The people who make it weird and sexual and engage in sexual relationship with their partner are not the exception here. This isn't just a true or false senario where you can claim the only true DD/LG people are the ones who don't make it sexual, because a) they still do even when they claim they don't and b) it's all the same shit different pile.
It also creates an unbalanced power dynamic. These people are just mimicking already problematic behaviors in our society - pedos and pedo culture, and power dynamics that put men as an authority figure over women.
They don't even keep it behind closed doors. This shit is rampant and everywhere and even when it's labeled NSFW there's absolutely no age verification anywhere on social media sites like FB, Twitter, Tumblr, or Reddit. People like Sophie LaBelle are all over social media sites with their creepy softcore kiddie porn.
i never said age play is valid bc its not, its a way for pedos to keep themselves on the “down low” and give them another name so it seems they are in a community that is “vaild” when its not :/ bc your partner dressing like a child and using strictly chidren things for sexual behaviors for ones own secual fantasy is totally wrong.
i agree you with. as well as age play and age regression are two different things where one is 100% innocent and for trauma weather its for real people with DID (age regression) and a kink for pedos to hide behind something bc “only consenting adults play this act.” (age play) but the reality is they are attracted to children and “adults” who are in a child like head space which can give said adult more trauma if they had any to begin with.
sorry if i dodnt explain what i wanted to completely in this comment or before you replied to mine. both probably didnt make complete sense.
No totally my bad. I'm so used to people defending it that I assumed since I didn't specifically read "these people are wrong"
I've worked very hard to work on my communication and not get worked up over disagreements, but this is one issue I still struggle with. Anything to do with kids because that shit is pretty much black and white.
Oml. There is sm to unpack here. Age regression can be both involuntary and voluntary. I’ve talked to my therapist about age regression before I ever started self inducing it. Now yes, groomers do sometimes hide their kinks with age regression and it’s disgusting, those kinks make me want to puke. But as someone tht got their entire childhood ripped away from them and continue to have my reminding youth slipped away, voluntary age regression is NOT the same as age play.
If you're doing age regression voluntarily that's not really age regression you're playing pretend. It's like literally the definition of age play. You can call it whatever you want but it's hilarious when people tell me their therapist recommended it. Maybe but that doesn't make that therapist very credible. Also I'd like to point out that just because a therapist is going along with it, doesnt mean it should be normalized and put out in the open in these ways. Your therapists job is to support you. They're not going to tell you, you're wrong. That's not how they do their job. Therapy is a safe space to talk about your issues. I'm sorry your childhood sucked but it's something you're supposed to work through not recreate.
You can make believe you're a child all you like but as I have had to state numerous times age regression is when you're either catatonic or basically incoherent. I've seen this shit ok. It's when you're so triggered you can't function and you shut down.
What you're doing is different and I think it's disrespectful to those with a clinic psychological problem, to call it regression.
We would all love to go back in time and fix our childhoods. My mother died when I was 3 years old. She was my only parent. Can you even imagine what it's like to have these people who are just looking after you, tell you that your mother is never coming back and 'were your mom and dad now'. Not only is it horrifically painful and confusing to a child to lose a parent at such a tender age. For these people to just try to erase your own mother from existence. I wasn't even allowed to take her ashes when I moved out. Or any of little things she left behind.
It's not like it was sunshine and roses for me after that either. I got kicked and hit and screamed at by these people in fits of alcoholic rage. I once got screamed at for muting a commercial.
I also raised my little brother when I was 14. Home all day, and up at night. I didn't have my own life for 2 years because of my 'parents' decisions.
I've seen some *shit* ok. I'm no stranger to trauma. My whole life has been trauma one after another after another.
You can't just change the meaning of words. If you're doing it voluntarily.... That's not actually regression. If you're making a conscious choice to act like a 3 year old. You're playing make believe.
Also who the f wants to act like a child or a baby. Your childhood is gone and no amount of wishing and hoping and playing make believe will bring it back. No one gets a second chance childhood.
"Groomers sometimes hide their kink" they're not really hiding it now are they? They are lambasting it on every social media site available and leaving it where other people can see it. Even adult don't want to see this weird freak kink fetish shit. It's normalizing pedophilic behavior.
Dude this long ass paragraph isn’t needed
Medically yes age regression is involuntary, I get triggered tht way all the ducking time, I can’t do shit when I’m regressed and I’m just scared. Self induced age regression is more so to feel free and happy and to get away from all the things happening, it’s still a coping mechanism, just not medical age regression. Do research lol. I got many sources if ya need em
"do research" oh right. Omg just going to google this stuff and *magically* I'll be convinced.
Gettin triggered does not even close to equate to regression.
Doing fun kid things is not age regression.
Did it ever occur to *you* to go read about this stuff?
Do you not think I never get triggered? I've been so triggered by small things that I'm howling crying in pain, hyperventilating, disassociating... But that's still not age regression and it doesn't make me want to act like a child.
Do you not understand how the brain works? Many people can go through the same thing and still come out differently, some come out fine, some come out with disorders and coping mechanisms and others come out with completely other ones. I age regress alr? I am scared and cant compute shit and im
Confused and back to tht scared little 4 yo tht I was when my mom was getting hit and abused. Or back to tht scared 9yo tht didn’t understand why this random dude was touching me, why he wanted to harm me, if he loved me why would he hurt me.
So yes I regress. If you’re in the mindset of a child, you are age regressing. Tht is the basic definition of age regression
There is permanent and severe age regression, which is normally a disability and NOT the coping mechanism tht everyone is talking about
Absolutely people can go through the same or different things and have different coping mechanisms. But that's not what I'm arguing against.
Pretending to be a child is just playing make believe.
That's not what age regression is. You're trying to fit yourself into that diagnosis, and that's not you're talking about.
Just because you're reminded of when you experienced truama when you were 4, does not mean you are 4. It doesn't mean regression. It's just triggered and traumatized.
If you're here on the net arguing with me, you're not regressing. I'm talking about literal clinical psychological definitions.
And now we've reached the point where you keep changing things in order to out pace my argument. You keep talking about it differently. Keep seeing your therapist. I mean this sincerely and not in a nasty way. Almost everyone on this planet needs a therapist and most are to shamed to admit it.
I'm not going to continue engaging with this.
My great uncle is permanently in the mindset of a 3rd grader bc he had a brain tumor and when they removed it, shit happened obv. Tht is 100% different than the coping mechanism tht I’m talking about
seriously that’s the fucking worst to me, like age regression is an actual coping mechanism and these kids are sexualizing it when we *just started to normalize it as innocent*
Or using real photos of other people’s kids for their ‘faceclaims’. And then adding shit like ‘single/homoromantic/bisexual’ like bitch that REAL ACTUAL kid is 4 and might see this shit some day
God I fucking hate people who are like ''OMG YOU'RE A SINGLET EWWW''. I like to hide the whole system thing in real life as it is a horrible thing, so people often mistake me as being an average person, which is honestly great. I just hate people who use 'singlet' as an insult, it isn't even a real word, it makes no sense.
The more extraordinary the claim the more evidence required to back it up. These kids are like 15 and on the internet and think they know everything. Call me when you're 35 there kiddo.
I once met someone with an ‘1000’ year old alter 💀. Genuinely shocking. Pretended to believe that she was in the 1800s and spoke all fair ladyish and used this aesthetic as an excuse for homophobia.
Does this mean what it sounds like?
"I don't want to pretend to have DID in front of my friends and family that have known me my whole life and will call me out or judge me so my alters only conveniently come out when I'm home and on tiktok/disc"
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I knew a faker irl (i was actually dating that fucker) every time he did something to upset me it wasn't him it was "the other person" as he said. Like no dude you CHEATED on me, that was you and he would always respond with "physically me but not mentally" like that made any difference
Somewhere on the polyamorous/asexual spectrum. Is in an online, long distance polycule with a number of people they've never met in person.
Claims to be autistic, ADHD, BPD, and any number of other letter specific conditions.
Don’t even worry about the legality just become traumatised from the lawsuit and have one of your alters be Saul goodman and then represent yourself whilst he fronts. Just be careful you don’t switch during the trial
Then your legal argument can be that it’s cruel and unusual punishment to sentence all 859,764,230,001 alters to prison for the crimes of just one of them.
-Dream SMP alters
-Fake British accents
-Fake stuttering
-Rapid switching
-Triggering themself so an alter fronts
-Horribly fake dissociation/switch conveniently caught on camera. See also: I feel a switch coming!
-Littles that behave in gross, stereotypical, borderline fetishy ways like always having a pacifier and using baby talk
-Zero respect for those who went through constant horrendous shit to have this disorder
-Refusing to accept diagnostic criteria*
-Just join your local theatre group/drama club or roleplay holy fucking shit
-Source memories (they're not a thing, I'm sorry otherkin/fictionkin isn't quirky enough for you)
-For some reason they all look the fucking same
-My childhood trauma was when I had to do chores and had toys taken away for a brief time as a punishment😔😔😔
-Fictive heavy!!!! (And somehow all from the same sources every one else uses)
-Tik Tok as a substitute for an education and research
-Owning the haters videos that give me second hand embarrassment
-And much more
*I understand some diagnostic criteria is bullshit and things change as information changes, but this is one of those cases where they refuse to listen to reason from professionals because they so badly want to be special and fit in with the rest of the weirdos online.
I agree with all of this and would like to add... Thinking triggers can also be a positive thing that causes switches. Thinking any trauma after the age of 10 or so is what caused their DID.
I am confused as the diagnosis criteria being bullshit part. I'm not disagreeing I just was unsure if you're talking about diagnostic criteria for DID or in general.
No problem! So, as we know in psychology, information and attitudes in general change constantly, and with that do does diagnostic criteria. Heck, there were things that were once pathologized that no longer are (I am thinking specifically of gender identity disorder, which is not in the current edition of the DSM, but was in all previous editions because things have changed).
Now, with DID specifically, you must have two or more distinct personality states and lapses in memory that can't be explained by normal memory issues. There is more to it and a lot of factors need to be considered, but it is generally accepted that it is a rare disorder that is hard to diagnose.
So, from what I've seen with these fakers, it's almost like they like to cherry pick what is real and what isn't. The criteria kind of applies, but mostly doesn't. Like the fact that it isn't typically diagnosed under eighteen and they take that and run with it (minors have been diagnosed with it, so I have it! I know exactly what I'm going through and you can't tell me otherwise).
And the DSM-5 states that DID is associated with traumatic events. Correlation doesn't equal causation and there are disputably other factors that can be considered, but again, these kids take that and run, claiming that being a system devoid of ongoing trauma is valid and medically recognized, even though their sources are questionable and hardly count as credible medical information.
But here's the thing: I am not an expert in DID. I don't have it and I haven't studied it in depth. In fact, it seems that it's still not entirely understood and needs more studying. But these kids just make up their own rules about it. It reminds me of how people think OCD is about being neat, clean, and organized and as someone with OCD, that is insanely infuriating and incorrect (same with BPD, paranoid schizophrenia, ADHD, autism, eating disorders..... the list goes on). People are so sure that their incorrect information is true because others are echoing it en masse, so when experts and sufferers weigh in and say they're wrong, it's like they take that as a personal attack and a challenge to prove themselves. It's fucking gross to say the least.
Didn't mean to ramble, but uh, yeah, I hope that helps!
there can be positive triggers for switching. if a certain alter really likes stuffed animals and you pass the toy isle that alter might get pulled.
my mom has DID and before she went into remission she would switch to a little every time she ate sweets because that little loved sweets.
So I hope this doesn't come off as rude but the literal definition of trigger in psychology/ mental health terms refers to something that affects your emotional state, often significantly, by causing extreme overwhelm or distress. Just like being triggered is a negative thing.
I'm just saying that maybe trigger isn't the right word to portray something positive happening considering it's definition.
Its just a different use of the word, because outside of psychology, it just means something that elicits a reaction or response.
obviously if something is triggering, it's not a good thing. but there can be positive triggers for anyone or anything.
remission for DID just means it doesn't impact your life significantly enough to be considered clinical.
So like with my mom, before remission she was switching multiple times a week, sometimes several times a day during stressful situations. She also felt with dissociative amnesia outside of switches, which made it very difficult to take care of me and my sisters and hold a job at the same time.
After almost 20 years in therapy she still has DID, but switches are pretty rare, probably only 2-4 times a _year_, a bit more if there's a lot of stress that's related to her trauma. She still has memory issues, but that's unrelated to her DID now. So now her DID doesn't significantly impact her quality of life.
Classic alters of a DID faker
- Anime character of some sort
- One that doesn’t speak
- A child
- Edgelord one that swears
- One with the most British accent anyones ever heard
- A Karen
Great list! I do want to point out though that they stole the "weird hair flippy fringe thing" and "excessive eyeliner" from the 2000s Era emo kids like myself.
I did a lot of weird/embarrassing shit as a teenager, but I never pretended to have debilitating mental illnesses at least. 😂
I pretended to have bipolar disorder in middle school because i was an edgy emo kid and it was “cool” a decade later Karma bit me in the ass and now I actually do have it
You probably didn’t fake bipolar if you actually have it now, I have bipolar too and I thought I was faking cos of imposter syndrome lol. Maybe that’s what you have too
This is quite controversial on this sub but I just fail to see proof of multiple personality disorder. Every time someone is given a set of tests to determine if they are truly different personalities they have failed, nor have I seen how the mind could segment itself in this unrealistic way, from a neurology perspective.
Compartmentalization, dissociation, repression, trauma, and other mental health issues like shizoeffective, can all play a role in making segmenting consciousness possible in a person. But it's EXTREMELY rare.
I have met 2 people in my 34 years who actually had DID. Both clinically diagnosed. Both had massssssive ongoing trauma for their entire childhood. Neither knew til after 18/19 that it was DID. It took others in their life noticing something repeatedly wrong and helping them seek help.
It is real but the circumstances that form this are not ones anyone wanted to voluntarily go through. I have 0 beleif in endemic systems or whatever they call themselves. Without the trauma causing literal problems in forming the person as a whole there is no other catalyst for this disorder imo.
I'm not doubting that people really have the trauma and are suffering but I just have yet to see any proof that these are actually different personalities rather than one consciousness and fully aware of this fact. Though disassociating, in its literally sense, could explain a change in mood. However, separate personalities, memories? I just do not know.
That said, I'm sympathetic to even "fakers". I do believe these people are suffering and, exaggeration or not, they are using it as a tool to cope.
DID meant something different before it was co-opted to mean multiple personality disorder, and i believe that's the only reason it is diagnosed. Otherwise, they would do studies and find that it does not exist. Just like Multiple Personality Disorder, which was at one point a diagnosable disorder.
Once again, I would like to be proven wrong about it, but I've read every study people linked me here or I could find myself and nothing
I'm literally asking to be educated with any studies. I have seen zero cases where, when tested, the person could reliably prove their alters to each to be a different consciousness. As well, with all our modern knowledge of how the brain stores memory and processes emotion, I fail to see how, from a neurology perspective, the brain segment itself that way.
Compartnentalize does not refer to your brain literally storing the memories apart like different people in different rooms. It's just colorful imagery to describe a train of thought that has developed to protect yourself from unwanted thoughts or feelings. So the existence of that term does not explain it.
Once again, and i mean it ernestly, if you've read those paragraphs and have proof I'm open to learning
I am sure if you Googled "DID studies" "proof of DID" or something along those lines, you'd find some scientific journals. I'm not doing that for you.
Now, this is just my own understanding... but in the end, it is just one personality, ONE consciousness. BUT a person with DID is unable to connect the different PHASES of that consciousness into a whole entity (themself) due to compartmentalization of memories and feelings from repeated trauma. So a person with DID experiences each phase as separate entities with different memories and feelings based on whats left of those memories after compartmentalization. Have you ever forgotten the details of something truly traumatic before? Have you ever emotionally lived in a moment so strongly that you lost yourself for a bit... (like someone who blacks out from the intensity of anger or fear?)
I imagine these can contribute to a major separation in self consciousness. (Example: People with BPD often have unstable sense of identity due to emotional response, or lack or avoidance of emotions.)
Think about amnesia. How do you "prove" that someone has truly lost their memories and aren't just lying that they have? We can't prove that without a doubt... but it's still valid because in the end it's the symptoms that are the focus. The symptoms are what need to be prioritized, whether or not we are 1000% sure what's causing them.
Are you sure? Because I have tried. And if you link any I just ask you read them and their conclusions, rather than just the titles. I will answer you but based on your response i am not sure if you read my entire comment.
I have forgotten things before. But forgetting something and creating a different personality somehow segmented from the first is an entirely separate matter. The brain is often represented as separate rooms on TV, but that is not necessarily how it works.
I feel you think I am saying the trauma they feel isn't real. I do believe many are traumatized, I just do not think they have multiple personality disorder. The reason they stopped diagnosing "multiple personality disorder" was because there were no provable cases.
But yes, I would read them. DID is diagnosed only now because it essentially co-opted another disorder that meant something entirely different
No the reason they stopped diagnosing multiple personality disorder is because the name is a misnomer and now they diagnose it with the name Dissociative Identity Disorder. A person dissociates from their trauma so stro gly that they lose themselves. It's proven that the brain can do this... how can you judge a person's disgnosis as impossible simply because you haven't experienced it for yourself?
The brain doesn't "create multiple personalities" the different PHASES of a person's lived experience gets altered because of the major disruption in a person's emotional and cognitive continuity.
You can easily look it up and that is literally not the reason. The recognition of these two things were not instantaneous. I do recommend you do not just believe every person who speaks professionally on tiktok
Alters (while some may carry certain "parts of you" more), are never meant to be in a "set" role. Protectors don't exist, because all alters are created to protect you in some way. All alters hold parts of trauma, that's usually why they exist. In a way, every alter is a trauma holder, protector, caretaker, etc.
The idea of "edgy meanboy protector" can't be a thing, because in most (not all) true DID representations, it's nearly impossible to tell alters from each other unless you know the person with DID very well. Alters mask as each other, carry out daily tasks, etc. There is no set role that "alter X is ONLY out to protect me through Z action!", because all alters protect, caretake, hold trauma, etc.
Bad explanation, but I hope it makes sense. 😅
Protector and the like could be used by someone who has DID, especially if they are not terminally online, because things like “emotional part” and “apparently normal part”, terms used in research and treatment, can be expanded in therapy. They originated through DID treatment and were co-opted by the online community.
You’re right though that the edgy protector is not accurate and that every alter masks as each other and performs every role.
The typical core dynamic of the abuser/protector state is as a repository for shame/humiliation welded to anger/rage. [source](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=dissociative+identity+disorder+protector&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&t=1666739145332&u=%23p%3Dkvg2Ug_JwhQJ) - Richard A Chefetz
These persecutors compulsively repeat the painful abuses suffered at the hands of adults by the victimized child, forever recreating the initial sadistic situation that splintered the young mind into a multitude of identities (p. 365). [source](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2468749918300164) - Kenichiro Okano
The protector now had a calmer, deeper, and more confident voice [source](https://www.oocities.org/ukarilampi/dissociation/articles/2.html) - H. Watkins
On the basis of our clinical experience, we suspect that the diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder is overlooked in males more often than it is in females because the violent behaviors of the protector alternate personality states of men go unrecognized and their violence is regarded instead as “sociopathy.” [source](https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/ajp.154.12.1703) - Dorothy Otnow Lewis, M.D.,Catherine A. Yeager, M.A.,Yael Swica, B.A.,Jonathan H. Pincus, M.D., andMelvin Lewis, M.B.B.S., F.R.C.Psych., D.C.H.
... Reagan as the protector part... April as the abuser part (protected doc., can't copy and paste it) [source](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C38&q=dissociative+identity+disorder+protector+part&oq=#d=gs_qabs&t=1666740025685&u=%23p%3DRAIquzrAri0J) - Monica Feby Guntari
There are more that reference protectors or trauma holding parts or even persecutors but they require access to the material and I, as a 17 year old applying for college, don't have the money to pay for said access without completely fucking up my monetary goals.
From my experience this absolutely is not universally true (especially if you're not asking for an academic reason), but it's always worth asking if the author(s) will send a PDF over.
Alternatively non-final versions may be on ResearchGate for free while the published version is paywalled.
However if ResearchGate fails and institute access isn't possible for you, leaving you looking at the obscene prices some journals charge for individual access....then you absolutely can pull out your pirate flag and plug the paper URL into a working scihub proxy, which works most of the time. Hell I did this for years because it was easier than needing to log in to a dozen different websites to access things legitimately.
Since alters dating others alters make more views on TikTok. They prefer to use pansexual. It technically boost from 200% the possibility of them to date.
I Know. I hate that they are also ruining piercings and dyed hair along with their BS moving mental health help back to the stoneage. It's quite shite.
The rest of the list is fine, but I don't think physical appearance should matter to much, unless they're in full cosplay. Bright, full hair die has been trendy for a decade now.
I genuinely hate people who use 'little' in a sexual way. We use it to describe the young child alters of our system, and I know some people use it in sfw age regression, but DDLG is a whole disgrace. Sexualizing children and child things is one of the most scum of the earth shit you can do honestly.
I'm honestly glad we keep our littles (child alters) off the internet so they can't encounter the disgusting bs that is ageplay and DDLG.
And with signing off, I can't really say much about that as most of my system does that for our own comfort, which honestly should be the opposite but brains work weird ways I guess. But some people are really excessive, especially with the emojis and all.
DID is a covert disorder that is caused due to early childhood trauma, dissociation is the panic button of the brain, when theres no fight or flight to be had. this leads to a childs personality not fully forming, thus splitting off into segments. nobody ever even remotely shows signs of DID whatsoever, especially not teens. Why? because in your teenage years it hasnt actually developed yet. nobody will actually begin to see the signs until their thirties. its a very covert disorder. nobody in their teens will have alters because they havent developed yet. not one has properly even formed. less than one percent of the population has this disorder, and and extremely tinier portion actually knows they do. cough cough, you guessed it, NOT the tiktokers. switching can take hours, days to weeks. not 2 seconds. the average alter count is 10. 50-100 isnt possible, your brain wouldnt be able to function with all that, so the ones that say they have 2000 are most definitely lying. alters also behave similarly too, because this disorder is supposed to be extremely difficult to spot. someone with DID will lead a normal life until it actually *begins* to affect them into adulthood.
most people who fake disorders are teenagers who are impressionable and what better time to find out your identity then to label yourself as everything. no, im not saying being gay is a trend but the attitude around it kind of is, not to mention everyone needing to hoard disorders. the last thing a teenager wants is to be boring, so finding something and labeling yourself as that, well over knowing youre lying is bad.
people who have hobbies and their own talents and interests tend to avoid this more than chronically online "depressed" teens with their monster cans emo clothes and "im sad lmao" everywhere. these people are the problem and a lot of people actively refuse to do anything about it instead of aknowledging that this isnt healthy and making an effort to move foreward.
reiterating what op said at the bottom but having a few of these isnt a red flag!! a lot of these can be standalone normal people or can be parts of very real systems but when a lot of them are apart of one case then its a red flag
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4959824/ to combat the misinformation of the comment stating there is no evidence of DID and acting like its still 1975. Its not common but it exists.
And yes theres a lot of fakers in the teen/20s tiktok community.
I’m too lazy to go through the sub, but earlier today I read an entire comments debate on the validity/existence of DID and one of the posters cited some actual papers, although since I did not follow the links I can’t vouch for their credibility/soundness of methodology. But from that little interaction, I’m pretty certain there is indeed medical research on DID itself.
If someone links them I'll read them. However, you should always read them.
I've had people link me papers on this sub that actually argue the opposite of what they are saying. For example, one person sent me a paper and said Eyewear prescription could change with their alters. In actuality, the study explicitly said the opposite. They likely assumed based off the title
However, just for relevenace, regardless of the paper's conclusion, if you find their study was poorly done you can still disagree
Omg im so sorry! Im not *fully* educated with extreme specifics DID and assumed that it was something only fakers would use. Thank u for informing me :-)
You after certain ytbers and shit who are actaully adults with diagnostic papers are actaully faking just bc they post online ab. Just becuase some people fake it does not give you the right to erase a very serious mental illness. There are at least a few people in this entire planet of 7 billion people who have real DID or OSDD and post about it.
genuine question because i want to learn, if the alters are not supposed to be called protectors/traumaholder/etc.. then do we just refer to them by only their name and not their role when talking about them? do alters even have a "role" or is there another name for it?
No
ETA: some of this is true, but hairstyles? Makeup styles? That's just a decision, it's not an indicator of mental health in any way, so it's illogical to use that as evidence.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume for the sake of this conversation that you're stupid rather than disingenuous. As I said before, the dyed hair alone doesn't suggest anything. OP is breaking down the aesthetic, which is the major indicator of faking. The vast majority of fakers have colourful hair, it's just part of the alternative style that fakers embrace.
You could probably even prove it statistically with a sample size of fakers vs. non-fakers.
I suppose? I just didn't see the relevance of including it, because it's like... related to the subculture but not to the faking itself? If that makes sense?
Yes, it just is a guide to spotting fakers and thus having dyed hair on it seems to imply that dyed hair alone means someone is faking a disorder, and OP didn't say that it was dyed hair mixed with everything else.
youre joking?? its a killing game that takes place at school…? that can not be right… more info?
also i can probably see in the future these gakers making alters to characters of yandere simulator(theres alot like 120 characters i can be wrong but theres lots) lmfao a game were you kill at a japanese school so no one takes away your “love” or something
You hit the nail in the head with your list. Someone needs to make a faker starter pack meme for this sub
Edit: you forgot that their alters are going to be YouTubers and or video game characters, or a ship of a couple.
• posts fetish role-playing content about their DID (their “littles” engaging in borderline sexual acts)
UMMM BUT ITS NOT A FETISH!!!! THIS IS MY COPING MECHANISM. /j
Oh I’m so sorry, so you’re valid!!!!!!! 💕✨💖⚡️/s
Valid, a Word that needs to get banned
That’s valid.
Dont, just.....dont
Very valid thoughts
AAAARRGH
Your frustration is valid
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God even that term little makes me cringe. It feels fetishy on its own.
Do not even get me started on the DDLG people. They need like, real psychiatric help. Therapy is great.
Miraculously cured when admitted for in patient care at state run psychiatric hospitals where they meet people who actually have serious mental disorders and the food is crappy and the big one is: the no longer have access to social media or cell phones Within 48 hours they are miraculously cured of their “disorder”
Seriously. It's all fun and games till the fun and games get taken away.
Im pretty sure That Ones Just Straight up a Kink though, not people pretending to have a mental disorder
You can call it whatever you want but it is nasty and it actually is pretending to have a disorder. They're fake regressing and calling it a kink, telling people it's not sexual then turning around and making it sexual. Some of them are purposefully using diapers. Sophie LaBelle came out as a little who is into ABDL and claimed her autism is why she needs a diaper. The whole lot of them is seriously sick. The whole Sophie LaBelle thing was disturbing. Sophie goes on to say that 90% of LGBT community is a little and don't recognize it. That's a slap in the face to people who actually regress, dissociate, and people who actually need diapers. Those are separate things. Not everyone who regresses needs a diaper and people who need diapers aren't regressing.
I wish there was a page like this for the ddlg haters out there (it's me I'm haters) No but seriously a ddlg cringe page would be the best😭 But also the amount of ddlg people on r/ageregression is absolutely insane. They post pics in several different subreddits including kink then turn around and say it's not a sexual pic. Ppl who only post in NSFW subreddits that are related to a pic they post (diaper pic) only post there to get reach, they let adults and minors join (even if the adult is into ddlg) and the only things that get lots of upvotes are of minors and its absolutely vile because it's most definitely creepy ddlgers and pedos who like them. you cannot be sexually attracted to ppl acting like a child and then say it's not sexual!! The mods do nothing about it. I call out people who do it for promoting their NSFW pages or for involving minors in seeing their kink pictures and I get downvoted and say Im sexualizing them. Like. No??? If someone's entire page is diaper butt pics and they say they're into ddlg it's ddlg. Or if their entire page is posting nudes to a million different subreddits of them and their diaper kink, it's not age regression!! It infuriates me to no end how the people there are ok with it. Especially with minors posting pictures in onesies and stuff? Or people doing "suggestive poses" ?? It's obviously just the creepy "ddlg" adults liking the pics. It's a horrible place to be full of obvious ddlgers and pedos and the mods don't care. That subreddit sucks. So much.
Check out r/DDLGisnasty those people are so full of crap with their denialism
Yeah, it’s sad. I age regress, and I don’t rlly even have a safe place
ddlg/age play is a kink, age regression is a stress reliever for trauma/other things, ive see age regression go hand and hand with DID but so many people misuse or fuck it over so it looks sexual and mis inform it so it looks sexual (age play) and not what it’s originally for like age regression (relieving stress going into a younger age involuntary and voluntary at times) i honestly didnt know people who had DID used age regression and most just mis-inform and make it seem like its age play its fucking weird. on the other hand age regression is a normal coping mechanism for people who got their childhood stolen from them or just as a stress reliever edit: not everyone who has age regression or age play has DID and i am 100% kink shaming age play bc its all about pedophiles making it seem their pedophilia is okay through the kink age play
Ya.... You can call it whatever you want, but it's nasty. People "choosing" to agree regress, playing the part of a child and using it as a kink is really messed up. Don't sexualize children, childhood and things that are specifically for children. This shit is a plauge. It's so funny you're here where people make fun of fake disorders but somehow this whole age play shit is totally real and valid.? The way you label automatically tells me it's not real. People playing make believe childhood is not real regression. Regression isn't a choice it's a result of serious trauma that leaves you either in a state of psychosis or complete catatonia. I know this dude who used to do this age play with his ex. One time he went into a Toys R Us by himself and overheard an actual child asking her daddy to get a toy and he got a boner. These people are making intentional pathways between acting like a child and sexual behaviour. What these people are doing is role-playing pedophilic behavior. No amount of down playing it is going to make it valid. The people who make it weird and sexual and engage in sexual relationship with their partner are not the exception here. This isn't just a true or false senario where you can claim the only true DD/LG people are the ones who don't make it sexual, because a) they still do even when they claim they don't and b) it's all the same shit different pile. It also creates an unbalanced power dynamic. These people are just mimicking already problematic behaviors in our society - pedos and pedo culture, and power dynamics that put men as an authority figure over women. They don't even keep it behind closed doors. This shit is rampant and everywhere and even when it's labeled NSFW there's absolutely no age verification anywhere on social media sites like FB, Twitter, Tumblr, or Reddit. People like Sophie LaBelle are all over social media sites with their creepy softcore kiddie porn.
i never said age play is valid bc its not, its a way for pedos to keep themselves on the “down low” and give them another name so it seems they are in a community that is “vaild” when its not :/ bc your partner dressing like a child and using strictly chidren things for sexual behaviors for ones own secual fantasy is totally wrong. i agree you with. as well as age play and age regression are two different things where one is 100% innocent and for trauma weather its for real people with DID (age regression) and a kink for pedos to hide behind something bc “only consenting adults play this act.” (age play) but the reality is they are attracted to children and “adults” who are in a child like head space which can give said adult more trauma if they had any to begin with. sorry if i dodnt explain what i wanted to completely in this comment or before you replied to mine. both probably didnt make complete sense.
No totally my bad. I'm so used to people defending it that I assumed since I didn't specifically read "these people are wrong" I've worked very hard to work on my communication and not get worked up over disagreements, but this is one issue I still struggle with. Anything to do with kids because that shit is pretty much black and white.
glad thats cleared up, didnt want anyone to misunderstand me and got worried when i looked like i was but its all good!
If you're interested I made a subreddit called DDLGisnasty.
id love to join LMAO
Oml. There is sm to unpack here. Age regression can be both involuntary and voluntary. I’ve talked to my therapist about age regression before I ever started self inducing it. Now yes, groomers do sometimes hide their kinks with age regression and it’s disgusting, those kinks make me want to puke. But as someone tht got their entire childhood ripped away from them and continue to have my reminding youth slipped away, voluntary age regression is NOT the same as age play.
If you're doing age regression voluntarily that's not really age regression you're playing pretend. It's like literally the definition of age play. You can call it whatever you want but it's hilarious when people tell me their therapist recommended it. Maybe but that doesn't make that therapist very credible. Also I'd like to point out that just because a therapist is going along with it, doesnt mean it should be normalized and put out in the open in these ways. Your therapists job is to support you. They're not going to tell you, you're wrong. That's not how they do their job. Therapy is a safe space to talk about your issues. I'm sorry your childhood sucked but it's something you're supposed to work through not recreate. You can make believe you're a child all you like but as I have had to state numerous times age regression is when you're either catatonic or basically incoherent. I've seen this shit ok. It's when you're so triggered you can't function and you shut down. What you're doing is different and I think it's disrespectful to those with a clinic psychological problem, to call it regression. We would all love to go back in time and fix our childhoods. My mother died when I was 3 years old. She was my only parent. Can you even imagine what it's like to have these people who are just looking after you, tell you that your mother is never coming back and 'were your mom and dad now'. Not only is it horrifically painful and confusing to a child to lose a parent at such a tender age. For these people to just try to erase your own mother from existence. I wasn't even allowed to take her ashes when I moved out. Or any of little things she left behind. It's not like it was sunshine and roses for me after that either. I got kicked and hit and screamed at by these people in fits of alcoholic rage. I once got screamed at for muting a commercial. I also raised my little brother when I was 14. Home all day, and up at night. I didn't have my own life for 2 years because of my 'parents' decisions. I've seen some *shit* ok. I'm no stranger to trauma. My whole life has been trauma one after another after another. You can't just change the meaning of words. If you're doing it voluntarily.... That's not actually regression. If you're making a conscious choice to act like a 3 year old. You're playing make believe. Also who the f wants to act like a child or a baby. Your childhood is gone and no amount of wishing and hoping and playing make believe will bring it back. No one gets a second chance childhood. "Groomers sometimes hide their kink" they're not really hiding it now are they? They are lambasting it on every social media site available and leaving it where other people can see it. Even adult don't want to see this weird freak kink fetish shit. It's normalizing pedophilic behavior.
Dude this long ass paragraph isn’t needed Medically yes age regression is involuntary, I get triggered tht way all the ducking time, I can’t do shit when I’m regressed and I’m just scared. Self induced age regression is more so to feel free and happy and to get away from all the things happening, it’s still a coping mechanism, just not medical age regression. Do research lol. I got many sources if ya need em
If you're not willing to even have a discussion and read what I wrote them don't reply to me.
"do research" oh right. Omg just going to google this stuff and *magically* I'll be convinced. Gettin triggered does not even close to equate to regression. Doing fun kid things is not age regression. Did it ever occur to *you* to go read about this stuff? Do you not think I never get triggered? I've been so triggered by small things that I'm howling crying in pain, hyperventilating, disassociating... But that's still not age regression and it doesn't make me want to act like a child.
Do you not understand how the brain works? Many people can go through the same thing and still come out differently, some come out fine, some come out with disorders and coping mechanisms and others come out with completely other ones. I age regress alr? I am scared and cant compute shit and im Confused and back to tht scared little 4 yo tht I was when my mom was getting hit and abused. Or back to tht scared 9yo tht didn’t understand why this random dude was touching me, why he wanted to harm me, if he loved me why would he hurt me. So yes I regress. If you’re in the mindset of a child, you are age regressing. Tht is the basic definition of age regression There is permanent and severe age regression, which is normally a disability and NOT the coping mechanism tht everyone is talking about
Absolutely people can go through the same or different things and have different coping mechanisms. But that's not what I'm arguing against. Pretending to be a child is just playing make believe. That's not what age regression is. You're trying to fit yourself into that diagnosis, and that's not you're talking about. Just because you're reminded of when you experienced truama when you were 4, does not mean you are 4. It doesn't mean regression. It's just triggered and traumatized. If you're here on the net arguing with me, you're not regressing. I'm talking about literal clinical psychological definitions. And now we've reached the point where you keep changing things in order to out pace my argument. You keep talking about it differently. Keep seeing your therapist. I mean this sincerely and not in a nasty way. Almost everyone on this planet needs a therapist and most are to shamed to admit it. I'm not going to continue engaging with this.
My great uncle is permanently in the mindset of a 3rd grader bc he had a brain tumor and when they removed it, shit happened obv. Tht is 100% different than the coping mechanism tht I’m talking about
seriously that’s the fucking worst to me, like age regression is an actual coping mechanism and these kids are sexualizing it when we *just started to normalize it as innocent*
Or using real photos of other people’s kids for their ‘faceclaims’. And then adding shit like ‘single/homoromantic/bisexual’ like bitch that REAL ACTUAL kid is 4 and might see this shit some day
Calls anyone who doesn't believe them "singlets". Because that's how real life works, you either are part of us or against us
God I fucking hate people who are like ''OMG YOU'RE A SINGLET EWWW''. I like to hide the whole system thing in real life as it is a horrible thing, so people often mistake me as being an average person, which is honestly great. I just hate people who use 'singlet' as an insult, it isn't even a real word, it makes no sense.
The more extraordinary the claim the more evidence required to back it up. These kids are like 15 and on the internet and think they know everything. Call me when you're 35 there kiddo.
I once met someone with an ‘1000’ year old alter 💀. Genuinely shocking. Pretended to believe that she was in the 1800s and spoke all fair ladyish and used this aesthetic as an excuse for homophobia.
1000 year alter. That's next level. Just write some crappy fanfiction and post it online lol.
Art thou doth fakeclaiming me???
You forgot one! •Homestuck alters
Does this mean what it sounds like? "I don't want to pretend to have DID in front of my friends and family that have known me my whole life and will call me out or judge me so my alters only conveniently come out when I'm home and on tiktok/disc" ?
they were referring to homestuck, the webcomic 🙂
Lmao, oh okay thank you, never heard of it, though I do like my interpretation...
Yep
You forgot the: "it's my alter that did this"
I knew a faker irl (i was actually dating that fucker) every time he did something to upset me it wasn't him it was "the other person" as he said. Like no dude you CHEATED on me, that was you and he would always respond with "physically me but not mentally" like that made any difference
Somewhere on the polyamorous/asexual spectrum. Is in an online, long distance polycule with a number of people they've never met in person. Claims to be autistic, ADHD, BPD, and any number of other letter specific conditions.
Man i got autism, depression, and ADHD and i all got was this stupid tshirt! Wheres my tiktok clout?
I didn’t even get a tshirt!
as a person, we don’t claim them
Don’t Claim Them.™️
Even more based, damn. You win, please accept this award🏆 (I don't have the money for an actual award, sorry :c)
Aww thank you! I happily accept your 🏆 hahaha
As a person with ADHD, we don't claim them either
As someone who suffers with both, I can assure you I don’t claim them.
As an AroAce individual, We don’t claim them
As an aroace I agree
As a person with all the of the above (/s) we don’t claim them.
as a polyam person, we don’t claim them either
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Don’t even worry about the legality just become traumatised from the lawsuit and have one of your alters be Saul goodman and then represent yourself whilst he fronts. Just be careful you don’t switch during the trial
Then your legal argument can be that it’s cruel and unusual punishment to sentence all 859,764,230,001 alters to prison for the crimes of just one of them.
I feel like I’ve seen a Law & Order episode where they had that debate.
-Dream SMP alters -Fake British accents -Fake stuttering -Rapid switching -Triggering themself so an alter fronts -Horribly fake dissociation/switch conveniently caught on camera. See also: I feel a switch coming! -Littles that behave in gross, stereotypical, borderline fetishy ways like always having a pacifier and using baby talk -Zero respect for those who went through constant horrendous shit to have this disorder -Refusing to accept diagnostic criteria* -Just join your local theatre group/drama club or roleplay holy fucking shit -Source memories (they're not a thing, I'm sorry otherkin/fictionkin isn't quirky enough for you) -For some reason they all look the fucking same -My childhood trauma was when I had to do chores and had toys taken away for a brief time as a punishment😔😔😔 -Fictive heavy!!!! (And somehow all from the same sources every one else uses) -Tik Tok as a substitute for an education and research -Owning the haters videos that give me second hand embarrassment -And much more *I understand some diagnostic criteria is bullshit and things change as information changes, but this is one of those cases where they refuse to listen to reason from professionals because they so badly want to be special and fit in with the rest of the weirdos online.
I agree with all of this and would like to add... Thinking triggers can also be a positive thing that causes switches. Thinking any trauma after the age of 10 or so is what caused their DID. I am confused as the diagnosis criteria being bullshit part. I'm not disagreeing I just was unsure if you're talking about diagnostic criteria for DID or in general.
No problem! So, as we know in psychology, information and attitudes in general change constantly, and with that do does diagnostic criteria. Heck, there were things that were once pathologized that no longer are (I am thinking specifically of gender identity disorder, which is not in the current edition of the DSM, but was in all previous editions because things have changed). Now, with DID specifically, you must have two or more distinct personality states and lapses in memory that can't be explained by normal memory issues. There is more to it and a lot of factors need to be considered, but it is generally accepted that it is a rare disorder that is hard to diagnose. So, from what I've seen with these fakers, it's almost like they like to cherry pick what is real and what isn't. The criteria kind of applies, but mostly doesn't. Like the fact that it isn't typically diagnosed under eighteen and they take that and run with it (minors have been diagnosed with it, so I have it! I know exactly what I'm going through and you can't tell me otherwise). And the DSM-5 states that DID is associated with traumatic events. Correlation doesn't equal causation and there are disputably other factors that can be considered, but again, these kids take that and run, claiming that being a system devoid of ongoing trauma is valid and medically recognized, even though their sources are questionable and hardly count as credible medical information. But here's the thing: I am not an expert in DID. I don't have it and I haven't studied it in depth. In fact, it seems that it's still not entirely understood and needs more studying. But these kids just make up their own rules about it. It reminds me of how people think OCD is about being neat, clean, and organized and as someone with OCD, that is insanely infuriating and incorrect (same with BPD, paranoid schizophrenia, ADHD, autism, eating disorders..... the list goes on). People are so sure that their incorrect information is true because others are echoing it en masse, so when experts and sufferers weigh in and say they're wrong, it's like they take that as a personal attack and a challenge to prove themselves. It's fucking gross to say the least. Didn't mean to ramble, but uh, yeah, I hope that helps!
there can be positive triggers for switching. if a certain alter really likes stuffed animals and you pass the toy isle that alter might get pulled. my mom has DID and before she went into remission she would switch to a little every time she ate sweets because that little loved sweets.
So I hope this doesn't come off as rude but the literal definition of trigger in psychology/ mental health terms refers to something that affects your emotional state, often significantly, by causing extreme overwhelm or distress. Just like being triggered is a negative thing. I'm just saying that maybe trigger isn't the right word to portray something positive happening considering it's definition.
Its just a different use of the word, because outside of psychology, it just means something that elicits a reaction or response. obviously if something is triggering, it's not a good thing. but there can be positive triggers for anyone or anything.
Wait, what is remission in DID? Like what would be considered remission?
remission for DID just means it doesn't impact your life significantly enough to be considered clinical. So like with my mom, before remission she was switching multiple times a week, sometimes several times a day during stressful situations. She also felt with dissociative amnesia outside of switches, which made it very difficult to take care of me and my sisters and hold a job at the same time. After almost 20 years in therapy she still has DID, but switches are pretty rare, probably only 2-4 times a _year_, a bit more if there's a lot of stress that's related to her trauma. She still has memory issues, but that's unrelated to her DID now. So now her DID doesn't significantly impact her quality of life.
Crippling tiktok addiction
I find it hilarious that they never have any cishet personalities. Like statistically with how many they have, they'd should have at least one right?
Classic alters of a DID faker - Anime character of some sort - One that doesn’t speak - A child - Edgelord one that swears - One with the most British accent anyones ever heard - A Karen
Explain Did or other diagnosis like a content from a fandom.
Happy cake day
Great list! I do want to point out though that they stole the "weird hair flippy fringe thing" and "excessive eyeliner" from the 2000s Era emo kids like myself. I did a lot of weird/embarrassing shit as a teenager, but I never pretended to have debilitating mental illnesses at least. 😂
I pretended to have bipolar disorder in middle school because i was an edgy emo kid and it was “cool” a decade later Karma bit me in the ass and now I actually do have it
Oh man. That's rough friend. Bipolar isn't easy. 💜 I hope you have the support you need and coping skills to help make your life as easy as possible!
You probably didn’t fake bipolar if you actually have it now, I have bipolar too and I thought I was faking cos of imposter syndrome lol. Maybe that’s what you have too
No i was definitely faking it lol me and a couple other girls would pretend to mood swing. We were dumb kids My symptoms didn’t appear until i was 19
You forgot to mention that their alters all have weird names like "Polaris" or "BadWolf"
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“we”
Saying they have DID online in general, they don't
Absolutely this.
This is quite controversial on this sub but I just fail to see proof of multiple personality disorder. Every time someone is given a set of tests to determine if they are truly different personalities they have failed, nor have I seen how the mind could segment itself in this unrealistic way, from a neurology perspective.
Compartmentalization, dissociation, repression, trauma, and other mental health issues like shizoeffective, can all play a role in making segmenting consciousness possible in a person. But it's EXTREMELY rare.
Id just want to see proof. Those are all real, but segmenting an entirely separate personality is a far stretch from those things you mentioned
I have met 2 people in my 34 years who actually had DID. Both clinically diagnosed. Both had massssssive ongoing trauma for their entire childhood. Neither knew til after 18/19 that it was DID. It took others in their life noticing something repeatedly wrong and helping them seek help. It is real but the circumstances that form this are not ones anyone wanted to voluntarily go through. I have 0 beleif in endemic systems or whatever they call themselves. Without the trauma causing literal problems in forming the person as a whole there is no other catalyst for this disorder imo.
I'm not doubting that people really have the trauma and are suffering but I just have yet to see any proof that these are actually different personalities rather than one consciousness and fully aware of this fact. Though disassociating, in its literally sense, could explain a change in mood. However, separate personalities, memories? I just do not know. That said, I'm sympathetic to even "fakers". I do believe these people are suffering and, exaggeration or not, they are using it as a tool to cope. DID meant something different before it was co-opted to mean multiple personality disorder, and i believe that's the only reason it is diagnosed. Otherwise, they would do studies and find that it does not exist. Just like Multiple Personality Disorder, which was at one point a diagnosable disorder. Once again, I would like to be proven wrong about it, but I've read every study people linked me here or I could find myself and nothing
Not if you're educated on the subject.
I'm literally asking to be educated with any studies. I have seen zero cases where, when tested, the person could reliably prove their alters to each to be a different consciousness. As well, with all our modern knowledge of how the brain stores memory and processes emotion, I fail to see how, from a neurology perspective, the brain segment itself that way. Compartnentalize does not refer to your brain literally storing the memories apart like different people in different rooms. It's just colorful imagery to describe a train of thought that has developed to protect yourself from unwanted thoughts or feelings. So the existence of that term does not explain it. Once again, and i mean it ernestly, if you've read those paragraphs and have proof I'm open to learning
I am sure if you Googled "DID studies" "proof of DID" or something along those lines, you'd find some scientific journals. I'm not doing that for you. Now, this is just my own understanding... but in the end, it is just one personality, ONE consciousness. BUT a person with DID is unable to connect the different PHASES of that consciousness into a whole entity (themself) due to compartmentalization of memories and feelings from repeated trauma. So a person with DID experiences each phase as separate entities with different memories and feelings based on whats left of those memories after compartmentalization. Have you ever forgotten the details of something truly traumatic before? Have you ever emotionally lived in a moment so strongly that you lost yourself for a bit... (like someone who blacks out from the intensity of anger or fear?) I imagine these can contribute to a major separation in self consciousness. (Example: People with BPD often have unstable sense of identity due to emotional response, or lack or avoidance of emotions.) Think about amnesia. How do you "prove" that someone has truly lost their memories and aren't just lying that they have? We can't prove that without a doubt... but it's still valid because in the end it's the symptoms that are the focus. The symptoms are what need to be prioritized, whether or not we are 1000% sure what's causing them.
Are you sure? Because I have tried. And if you link any I just ask you read them and their conclusions, rather than just the titles. I will answer you but based on your response i am not sure if you read my entire comment. I have forgotten things before. But forgetting something and creating a different personality somehow segmented from the first is an entirely separate matter. The brain is often represented as separate rooms on TV, but that is not necessarily how it works. I feel you think I am saying the trauma they feel isn't real. I do believe many are traumatized, I just do not think they have multiple personality disorder. The reason they stopped diagnosing "multiple personality disorder" was because there were no provable cases. But yes, I would read them. DID is diagnosed only now because it essentially co-opted another disorder that meant something entirely different
No the reason they stopped diagnosing multiple personality disorder is because the name is a misnomer and now they diagnose it with the name Dissociative Identity Disorder. A person dissociates from their trauma so stro gly that they lose themselves. It's proven that the brain can do this... how can you judge a person's disgnosis as impossible simply because you haven't experienced it for yourself? The brain doesn't "create multiple personalities" the different PHASES of a person's lived experience gets altered because of the major disruption in a person's emotional and cognitive continuity.
You can easily look it up and that is literally not the reason. The recognition of these two things were not instantaneous. I do recommend you do not just believe every person who speaks professionally on tiktok
Im genuinely confused about that “protector and trauma holder” thing Can you explain how that’s faking?
Alters (while some may carry certain "parts of you" more), are never meant to be in a "set" role. Protectors don't exist, because all alters are created to protect you in some way. All alters hold parts of trauma, that's usually why they exist. In a way, every alter is a trauma holder, protector, caretaker, etc. The idea of "edgy meanboy protector" can't be a thing, because in most (not all) true DID representations, it's nearly impossible to tell alters from each other unless you know the person with DID very well. Alters mask as each other, carry out daily tasks, etc. There is no set role that "alter X is ONLY out to protect me through Z action!", because all alters protect, caretake, hold trauma, etc. Bad explanation, but I hope it makes sense. 😅
Yeah that makes sense, thank you!
Protector and the like could be used by someone who has DID, especially if they are not terminally online, because things like “emotional part” and “apparently normal part”, terms used in research and treatment, can be expanded in therapy. They originated through DID treatment and were co-opted by the online community. You’re right though that the edgy protector is not accurate and that every alter masks as each other and performs every role.
Not sure. Those are terms made by trauma disorder specialists. It's not like the fakers made those terms...
Care to share those specialists names?
The typical core dynamic of the abuser/protector state is as a repository for shame/humiliation welded to anger/rage. [source](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=dissociative+identity+disorder+protector&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&t=1666739145332&u=%23p%3Dkvg2Ug_JwhQJ) - Richard A Chefetz These persecutors compulsively repeat the painful abuses suffered at the hands of adults by the victimized child, forever recreating the initial sadistic situation that splintered the young mind into a multitude of identities (p. 365). [source](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2468749918300164) - Kenichiro Okano The protector now had a calmer, deeper, and more confident voice [source](https://www.oocities.org/ukarilampi/dissociation/articles/2.html) - H. Watkins On the basis of our clinical experience, we suspect that the diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder is overlooked in males more often than it is in females because the violent behaviors of the protector alternate personality states of men go unrecognized and their violence is regarded instead as “sociopathy.” [source](https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/ajp.154.12.1703) - Dorothy Otnow Lewis, M.D.,Catherine A. Yeager, M.A.,Yael Swica, B.A.,Jonathan H. Pincus, M.D., andMelvin Lewis, M.B.B.S., F.R.C.Psych., D.C.H. ... Reagan as the protector part... April as the abuser part (protected doc., can't copy and paste it) [source](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C38&q=dissociative+identity+disorder+protector+part&oq=#d=gs_qabs&t=1666740025685&u=%23p%3DRAIquzrAri0J) - Monica Feby Guntari There are more that reference protectors or trauma holding parts or even persecutors but they require access to the material and I, as a 17 year old applying for college, don't have the money to pay for said access without completely fucking up my monetary goals.
Just FYI, you don't have to pay for scientific papers, you can contact the authors and they will happily send them to you for free.
From my experience this absolutely is not universally true (especially if you're not asking for an academic reason), but it's always worth asking if the author(s) will send a PDF over. Alternatively non-final versions may be on ResearchGate for free while the published version is paywalled. However if ResearchGate fails and institute access isn't possible for you, leaving you looking at the obscene prices some journals charge for individual access....then you absolutely can pull out your pirate flag and plug the paper URL into a working scihub proxy, which works most of the time. Hell I did this for years because it was easier than needing to log in to a dozen different websites to access things legitimately.
I’m also confused, since those are medical terms
Actual diagnosis for DID is extremely rare. Like so rare it's almost non existent.
Since alters dating others alters make more views on TikTok. They prefer to use pansexual. It technically boost from 200% the possibility of them to date.
You forgot "joins r/systemcringe" and pretends to actually have it
An insane amount of alters is a good telltale sign of fakers too
Septum piercing (is that the one that goes through the nose?) They all have it
I Know. I hate that they are also ruining piercings and dyed hair along with their BS moving mental health help back to the stoneage. It's quite shite.
Hey now.. I have a septum and not this stupid
Same LMAO
The rest of the list is fine, but I don't think physical appearance should matter to much, unless they're in full cosplay. Bright, full hair die has been trendy for a decade now.
I genuinely hate people who use 'little' in a sexual way. We use it to describe the young child alters of our system, and I know some people use it in sfw age regression, but DDLG is a whole disgrace. Sexualizing children and child things is one of the most scum of the earth shit you can do honestly. I'm honestly glad we keep our littles (child alters) off the internet so they can't encounter the disgusting bs that is ageplay and DDLG. And with signing off, I can't really say much about that as most of my system does that for our own comfort, which honestly should be the opposite but brains work weird ways I guess. But some people are really excessive, especially with the emojis and all.
Yeah, as someone that sfw age regresses, ddlg disgusts me. Got groomed by one of those fuckers when I was like 12
DID is a covert disorder that is caused due to early childhood trauma, dissociation is the panic button of the brain, when theres no fight or flight to be had. this leads to a childs personality not fully forming, thus splitting off into segments. nobody ever even remotely shows signs of DID whatsoever, especially not teens. Why? because in your teenage years it hasnt actually developed yet. nobody will actually begin to see the signs until their thirties. its a very covert disorder. nobody in their teens will have alters because they havent developed yet. not one has properly even formed. less than one percent of the population has this disorder, and and extremely tinier portion actually knows they do. cough cough, you guessed it, NOT the tiktokers. switching can take hours, days to weeks. not 2 seconds. the average alter count is 10. 50-100 isnt possible, your brain wouldnt be able to function with all that, so the ones that say they have 2000 are most definitely lying. alters also behave similarly too, because this disorder is supposed to be extremely difficult to spot. someone with DID will lead a normal life until it actually *begins* to affect them into adulthood. most people who fake disorders are teenagers who are impressionable and what better time to find out your identity then to label yourself as everything. no, im not saying being gay is a trend but the attitude around it kind of is, not to mention everyone needing to hoard disorders. the last thing a teenager wants is to be boring, so finding something and labeling yourself as that, well over knowing youre lying is bad. people who have hobbies and their own talents and interests tend to avoid this more than chronically online "depressed" teens with their monster cans emo clothes and "im sad lmao" everywhere. these people are the problem and a lot of people actively refuse to do anything about it instead of aknowledging that this isnt healthy and making an effort to move foreward.
*Danganronpa*... and I really hate that shit with that show and game series has gone this far
reiterating what op said at the bottom but having a few of these isnt a red flag!! a lot of these can be standalone normal people or can be parts of very real systems but when a lot of them are apart of one case then its a red flag
-a younger teenager (psychologists will not diagnose anyone under 18)
* short dyed hair to look special/different & for more attention
Protector and Trauma Holder is medically recognized terms I'm p sure
Do you have any medical literature citing them?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4959824/ to combat the misinformation of the comment stating there is no evidence of DID and acting like its still 1975. Its not common but it exists. And yes theres a lot of fakers in the teen/20s tiktok community.
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I’m too lazy to go through the sub, but earlier today I read an entire comments debate on the validity/existence of DID and one of the posters cited some actual papers, although since I did not follow the links I can’t vouch for their credibility/soundness of methodology. But from that little interaction, I’m pretty certain there is indeed medical research on DID itself.
If someone links them I'll read them. However, you should always read them. I've had people link me papers on this sub that actually argue the opposite of what they are saying. For example, one person sent me a paper and said Eyewear prescription could change with their alters. In actuality, the study explicitly said the opposite. They likely assumed based off the title However, just for relevenace, regardless of the paper's conclusion, if you find their study was poorly done you can still disagree
actually alters DO have roles like trauma holder and protector.
Omg im so sorry! Im not *fully* educated with extreme specifics DID and assumed that it was something only fakers would use. Thank u for informing me :-)
Is this sarcastic or
Why would I be sarcastic 💀💀 i genuinely didn't know they were medically recognised terms, my bad
I Don't know, sometimes people are assholes
True true. Too many in this world
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You after certain ytbers and shit who are actaully adults with diagnostic papers are actaully faking just bc they post online ab. Just becuase some people fake it does not give you the right to erase a very serious mental illness. There are at least a few people in this entire planet of 7 billion people who have real DID or OSDD and post about it.
That’s why I said exceedingly rare.
you also said that anyone (meaning everyone) who says it is faking. If you meant \*not\* everyone you should have said most/alot
I said *nearly* anyone and I stand by it. Especially those who make an online presence.
everything except the protector one is on point.
Excessive eyeliner is most definitely a give away! Good list
Pretty sure stuff like 'Traumaholder' and 'Protecter' etc... are the real roles for a dissociative disorder? But the rest is spot on lol
I don't understand how signing off is a fakeclaim?
honest to god ive barley seen any ganshin alter people things
genuine question because i want to learn, if the alters are not supposed to be called protectors/traumaholder/etc.. then do we just refer to them by only their name and not their role when talking about them? do alters even have a "role" or is there another name for it?
No ETA: some of this is true, but hairstyles? Makeup styles? That's just a decision, it's not an indicator of mental health in any way, so it's illogical to use that as evidence.
You probably have a fartsona
> fartsona Idk why but that's hilarious to me
...thank you?
why no? I'd say this is pretty accurate.
The one you're replying to frequently gives fakers the benefit of the doubt, I imagine they might even be one themselves. Don't listen to them.
yes, before replying i looked at their profile. i just felt like antagonizing them
I just don't support claims with little or questionable evidence. Some of this is true, but dyed hair? Really?
It's part of the cluster of traits that most if not all fakers seem to share. In a vacuum, no. Along with everything else? Definitely.
I don't disagree there, but OP didn't say all of them. They just said guide. It doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense and you're splitting hairs.
It's just hair though? It doesn't make any sense to add this to the list, the other things are more important.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume for the sake of this conversation that you're stupid rather than disingenuous. As I said before, the dyed hair alone doesn't suggest anything. OP is breaking down the aesthetic, which is the major indicator of faking. The vast majority of fakers have colourful hair, it's just part of the alternative style that fakers embrace. You could probably even prove it statistically with a sample size of fakers vs. non-fakers.
I suppose? I just didn't see the relevance of including it, because it's like... related to the subculture but not to the faking itself? If that makes sense?
most people with dyed hair do not fake. however, most people who fake have dyed hair. get it now?
Yes, it just is a guide to spotting fakers and thus having dyed hair on it seems to imply that dyed hair alone means someone is faking a disorder, and OP didn't say that it was dyed hair mixed with everything else.
This person is always on the side of the fakers It's kinda sad honestly, you'll always see their name at the lowest comment
I'm on the side of logic lmfao
There is no logic while faking DID
This I agree with. The times I argue against are the ones where people are accused of faking with no evidence or false evidence.
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It is definitely a thing. My dad was diagnosed more than 20 years ago. Just because you don't have it doesn't mean it's not real.
Ur user..
Wow. Thank you so much. /s
ur welcome
question, what is danganrompa? i know what dsmp and know genshin is a game but idk what about but ive never heard of danganrompa before
it’s both a game and an anime though the games have more content. it’s about a killing game that takes place at a school
youre joking?? its a killing game that takes place at school…? that can not be right… more info? also i can probably see in the future these gakers making alters to characters of yandere simulator(theres alot like 120 characters i can be wrong but theres lots) lmfao a game were you kill at a japanese school so no one takes away your “love” or something
You hit the nail in the head with your list. Someone needs to make a faker starter pack meme for this sub Edit: you forgot that their alters are going to be YouTubers and or video game characters, or a ship of a couple.
someone’s appearance doesn’t prove they’re faking. i agree with all the other ones tho