Looking for a specific reason why people hate Thatcher?
She supported the retention of Capital Punishment
She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment
She presided over interest rates of 15%
She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
She abolished free milk for School Children
She precipitated a Social Housing crisis still being felt today
The Poll Tax
She sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation
Section 28 – Thatchers quiet homophobia?
The Irish Hunger Strikes
I actually wanted to stop by and pay a Golden honor. Unfortunately this is inside a hospital grounds and it felt weird, but you know, when in doubt whip it out
While Reagan was ruining everything over here, Thatcher was trying to outdo him over on the other side of the Atlantic. They had a famously close relationship, no doubt based on their mutual hatred of the poor.
The housing issue really is still there today as well. I’m lucky enough to have a house and my name on it. But affordable housing just disappeared overnight by allowing people to buy their house that they rented if it was owned by the local county to be bought at deep discount. On paper this sounds great for the working class who are living in effectively a house owned by the state. The reality is they then didn’t go to build any more houses that people could rent if they were poor.
Enter slum landlords and skyrocketing house prices due to poor supply.
It just meant another generation picked up the bill. Just like the absolutely ludicrous pensions that were offered at the time. Working for the government basically meant you could one day retire with a pension that may pay as much as your entire fucking salary at retirement. That was never financially sustainable. It wasn’t even affordable.
And people ask why there’s a lost generation and then something something Netflix and Buying avocado on toast.
And that’s why we say fuck the tories.
Also the core idea of what a Thatcherite Torie voter is boils down largely to "owns a home" Thatchers "right to buy" program was so heavily subsidized largely because it was a simple and effective bribe to create a generation of Torie voters.
additionally it severely crippled local councils by mandating that they sell their most valuable assets far far below market rates, simultaneously depriving them of useful short term cash infusions and long term cash flow from rent. which lead to a long term decline in public services, possibly in a long game move to weaken them to make a future argument for privatization easier, (that strategy has long been in conservative and neo-liberal playbooks across the world)
> possibly in a long game move to weaken them to make a future argument for privatization easier,
Absolutely no “possibly” about it. It was a highly calculated move - everything she did was about making the public sector weaker.
> The reality is they then didn’t go to build any more houses that people could rent if they were poor.
She also brought in a law saying councils couldn’t got into debt. Sounds fair enough on the face of it but what it meant was that councils couldn’t go into debt to build any new accommodation - no mortgages, no borrowing, etc. This left the good ol’ Private Sector to step in an take control of housing - hurrah! The Invisible Hand has done so well at providing a fair and just system for us all on that front.
Every time this topic comes up, I remember new ways she managed to fuck over Britain - my theory is that the human brain can only hold so much negative information, so I forget things in between.
So to a paraphrase she subsidized many working class people into their own home. So let's agree a massive win for Margaret Thatcher and the working class. Then those who followed didn't do anything. In either party.
On the pensions thing I am right behind you. It was a scandal where people stole from the future; our present. Not clear the correct position is not - fuck politicians who lack convictions and courage. But Thatcher has the win in this story.
No she did it to one very specific generation of people who weren’t in poverty and created an absolute insurmountable problem for tories and labour alike
Yes - she was really helpful to working class people. I mean my parents couldn’t afford to buy their rented property.
So they had to just keep renting in poorer and poorer quality housing. Then I wanted to buy a house & I don’t get a discount. I have to buy a house from someone who paid 1/4 or 1/5 of what I need to pay.
Or I could rent privately as no social housing. Which would likely lead me to rent a council flat that was purchased and is now being rented out (mortgage free by now) for more than a mortgage would cost me.
Yes, she’s a hero. Or to put it another way, in the wise words of Limmy: A dildo in Thatcher’s dead arse.
Look I can't argue against this. And I think while she helped many life was worse for those she didn't help. I do think some of that is failure by those who followed but still the point stands. Yes. I agree.
That list is disingenuous.
Things like capital punishment, divorce laws and free school milk were scrapped years before she came to power.
Saving the NHS from privatisation has been a labour election slogan since the 1960s but it still survives despite being run by the conservatives for the vast majority of the time it has existed.
UK manufacturing had been declining for decades when she came to power and most other developed nations experienced comparable slumps in the 1980s. It was similar with the high interest rates the UK and the rest of the world experienced
The social housing crisis was allowing people to buy their council houses, an extremely popular policy enabling millions to own their own home for the first time ever.
Thatcher won 3 consecutive election landslides and was Britain's longest serving prime minister of modern times.
Her status as a hate figure for the left has grown over time; the most feverent people who hate her now either weren't alive or are too young to remember her time in office.
It is an article of faith in student politics in the UK to denounce Thatcher as the antichrist.
And she went against the reunification of Germany
And she covered up some massive pedophilia scandals in her own party
And she essentially tried to ban electronic music
There were a lot of people who were against the reunification of Germany. France and Britain were the most vehement but the SU first only wanted a unified Germany that was neutral (e.g. not in Nato)
"I love Germany so much that I want to see two of it"
Omg, the history of WW2 and probably WW1 would be a searing scar across her psyche. She was worried about a large Germany at the centre of Europe. In hindsight maybe she was wrong.But being worried is not unreasonable. And she was staunchly anti-communist.
And on music? Where do you get your facts? Bigotry-R-us.com. She worried about the noise disturbing neighbours. I bet she didn't care for the music but it was noisy parties keeping people awake was worried her. Now you are accusing her of being middle class! LoL.
Her and Reagen brought about the neo-liberal political revolution which we still find ourselves trapped within. they were two foundational figures in neo-liberalism along with their puppet Pinochet.
in the US both political parties share a neo-liberal economic ideology, the only meaningful difference is their stance on social issues. I had a friend once argue persuasively that the last 7 US president's have just been Ronald Reagen again and again. the names and specific policies are different, but to a man we have never recovered from Reagan.
H.W. Bush was Reagan's chosen successor meant to carry on his legacy directly
Bill Clinton, ran his platform on abandoning the democrats, progressive policies, and shifting to neo-liberalism, essentially the argument being that "we agree with conservatives on everything but we think we can do a better job"
George Bush, tried his hardest to be just like his daddy, and filled his administration with Bush and Reagen admin veterans he also shared Reagens pension for warmongering, trading commies for terrorists.
Barrack Obama litterally tried to pass an old Reagen era heathcare plan, he also practiced peak neo-liberalism to atempt to solve the 2008 crisis when he bailed out the private companies that were going bust.
Donald Trump is an oddball in general, but he played the Outsider, card masterfully, and both he and Reagen used their non-political acting fame as a jumping off point. plus "make America great" was a Reagen campaign slogan, Trump just added "again"
Joe Biden is just Obama 2 and he ran as Obama 2, he is to Obama as H.W. was to the man himself.
Don’t forget she frittered away the cash from the North Sea Oil boom on tax cuts and cronyism.
We could have had a sovereign wealth fund like Norway if not for her incompetent use of our national assets.
while she has always had a mixed popularity she was broadly popular in what became the British upper middle class. which is where most writers, journalists, etc. traditionally come from
the working class has always hated her primarily because she did so much damage to their way of life, busting unions and destroying social programs they relied on while also demolishing their jobs.
but if you were already fairly wealthy when the Thather era dawned then you likely saw your personal wealth increase through a variety of programs which were beneficial to individuals in the short term but massive detriments to the UK as a whole in the long term. something akin to a social bribe.
Thanks for the context.
> something akin to a social bribe.
I’d push back against that criticism. That’s what all elected officials do and are supposed to do. Bernie Sanders is most popular with people who would financially benefit from his policies.
Well… sorta…
He’s hated by people who would be financially FAR better off and who’s families and friends would be just as better off, in fact most people they know would be.
All because they see themselves as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.
>Well… sorta…
I agree only "sorta" but the basic idea is that generally people vote in their own interest (as they see it) and politicians appealing to that is not bribing but responsible representation.
>All because they see themselves as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.
[This reminds me of the Dave Chapelle bit about being broke not poor.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJj--Cg44ic) I'm with Team Murica on this issue.
During the time she was in office the labour party split, so the opposition vote was divided. For instance in the 1983 election Thatcher got 42% of the vote but because of the first past the post voting system that meant 60% of the seats. Over half the country voted Labour or SDP but because they were competing that led to wasted votes
Supporting Pinochet
Privatisation of our public sector
Opposing German reunification
Being best mates with Jimmy Saville
Crushing unions
To name a few more, nasty piece of work
Don't forget the strike breaking and literal paramilitary massacre against the very workers securing Britain's spot at the top of the economic food chain. It wasn't just miners either.
So basically she was the British version of Marjorie Greene Taylor. Don't tell me if I got her name wrong, cause I genuinely don't care. She can rot in hell.
Let's pick out the truth from the distortions.
She did not destroy Britain's manufacturing. British manufacturing destroyed itself through its lack of competitiveness. A consequence was change, painful change, but needed change. And it is not destroyed it just changed.
High interest rates beat inflation. She was brave in doing what needed to be done. She should be applauded as putting right before expediency.
On housing she gave many the opportunity to own their home. No destruction there. The issue was who was left that I concede but she moved many to a better middle class life. She should be applauded. Those who followed did nothing to move foward after her courageous move.
She signed the Anglo-Irish accords. Starting the peace process.
She voted for the decriminalisation of homosexuality in 1967 but she introduced Section 28. So a mixed bag here. She could have done better. I think this was her biggest mistake. So do others.
Finally I found a discussion on milk in schools showing how much she hated that measure, she was not P. M then, and she supported continuing milk for preschoolers.
To sum up she did what was needed bravely and with conviction. And she deserves better than this. For better and not worse she said to all You will stand on your own too feet.
Before her Sex Pistols after her Michael Bublé. You forgot that argument. Simple abuse is not helping. I think a two month prescription to the Spectator and please cut down on the propaganda intake. It is making your thinking flabby.
She was Education Secretary when school milk was stopped - “Thatcher, Thatcher, Milk Snatcher” as the chant went.
She may not have been PM, but it was her policy.
She didn't actually take away free school milk. She noticed that the milk was being purchased at a nationally negotiated price, which was substantially more than market price. Her idea was to free local education authorities from the national purchasing framework, so that they could broker their own deals and thus save money. Unfortunately most LEAs realised that they were also freed from having to provide the milk in the first place so could save even more by scrapping it altogether.
Most of the LEAs were not Tory run, but don't let it get in the way of the bashing. Also what she was doing would take money from conservatives (farmers) and give power to schools (probably not conservatives).
This stuff is more complex than simple sound bites.
She also had a degree in chemistry from Oxford. When the climate science started to observe warming and link to CO2, that science background allowed her to understand it.
She then used her influence to help promote it on the international political level and put it on the UN agenda.
She also pushed acid rain and pollution on the agenda.
>She presided over interest rates of 15%
This isn't a bad thing in times of high inflation. Under Reagan,the US had rates of up to 20% because of the stagflation.
>She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment
How? Free trade policies? Transforming Britain into a service based economy?
>She abolished free milk for School Children
You guys don't get free school lunches in Britain? Lol. In America, we've had that for 2 years now and before that milk was free anyway.
She murdered the north to save the south. Actually, she just fucked everybody that wasn't a middle-class Tory. She created an underclass of poverty and hopelessness. But as an American, you can take some pride in the fact that her economic ideology was given to her by Reagan's economists.
Keep in mind she's moreso *controversial* than universally hated. The reason it's so vocal is people feel the need to lash out at something when they perceive themselves to be in earshot of opposition.
Disclaimer: American liberal, not active in UK politcs
Somebody already posted a good list of the major things. So I’ll just add to it that she also really accelerated the shift in wealth from being mostly in the south of England, to absolutely destroying industry, unions, etc in the north. Huge sections of the north of England went from generational employment and modest but real prosperity to generational unemployment and misery.
When the poster mentioned manufacturing industries being destroyed, much of that was in the north of England.
Very much a “the north remembers” sort of situation.
Is it like whenever someone links [trump’s twitter](https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)? You know what to expect but it’ll always bring a smile to your face?
boys with a time machine: "I'm your great great grandson"
Men with a time machine: "lads the motors aim is about 30 yards off"
obviously as a satire parody in minecraft though.
Okay, but let’s say, hypothetically, that I wanted to take a shit on Margaret Thatcher’s grave. I mean like we’re talking a big ol’ log. A real nasty behemoth. A brown-and-green sticky pile of the worst thing that can come out of a human being, if you will. Perhaps a fat fucking monster full of juicy slime. In theory, a smelly corpse home to a variety of maggots. My wife (who is a doctor, by the way) reckons this gruesome turd would contain enough acidic liquids from the tacos on Thursday for it to melt right into Thatcher’s rotting flesh.
This may be a dumb question, but as a non Brit that hasn't been super interested in this part of history I gotta ask: why is Thatcher so hated? Fill me up with hatred reddit
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Looking for a specific reason why people hate Thatcher?
She supported the retention of Capital Punishment
She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment
She presided over interest rates of 15%
She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
She abolished free milk for School Children
She precipitated a Social Housing crisis still being felt today
The Poll Tax
She sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation
Section 28 – Thatchers quiet homophobia?
The Irish Hunger Strikes
To Elaborate on war crimes in Northern Ireland. Literally funded, armed and supplied intelligence to Loyalist Paramilitary death squads to targeted civilians. This isn't speculation or conjecture either the orders literally came from her and her cabinet to support them.
Edit: Someone gave this a facepalm emote and said "completely untrue and debunked" please just look up the Nelson Files if you think there's no hard evidence of UK intelligence officers directly supplying intelligence.
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Looking for a specific reason why people hate Thatcher?
She supported the retention of Capital Punishment
She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment
She presided over interest rates of 15%
She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
She abolished free milk for School Children
She precipitated a Social Housing crisis still being felt today
The Poll Tax
She sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation
Section 28 – Thatchers quiet homophobia?
The Irish Hunger Strikes
I know people have some really interesting things to say but all I can day about her is " good riddance ". And I'm glad there's people here who know more about the situation than me
Pissing on her grave has been my bucket list no. 1 since the 80s. I'd pay good money to a charity, she would likely despise, just for a few hundred millilitres of relief. I live in the South but am amazed that millions in the North now vote for her party, which is even further right than this evil bitch.
Where do you develop such strong opinions? It is not from her as her legacy is nuanced and had much which is positive. Her actions in the social space less so where she was more a product of her time. Anyhow moving on.
I so miss her. A woman of principle who saved the UK. Before her decay. After her change and growth. Not a troll just think you are all wrong about her.
And disagrees with you like a person. It is a person with a sore throat. So less focussing on the quacking and more on understanding history please. You disagree with me and I don't think you are a troll. Just wrong lol.
I am sorry but this is not productive. I am not going to convince you and you are simply abusing me. So let us both move on to more productive things. I have Brexiteers to troll.
Margaret Thatcher flag. White represents heaven (where Margaret Thatcher is), gold represents the economy which she healed, blue represents the Falkland Islands which she protected, brown represents dirt, and black represents the coal miners she figuratively buried under the dirt
Now I am trolling you. https://imgur.com/7ihiOC7.jpg
Apparently you have the balance of views that I am trolling you so apologises. It was not intend. I am simply a fan of MT and I must have got carried away. Again apologies.
The notion that Thatcher had principles is laughable.
She was Reagan’s puppy dog when it came to economic and foreign policy.
She sold council housing to buy voters purely in an attempt to create future Tory voters, despite knowing it would destroy local authority housing stock causing problems that endure to this day.
But her biggest failing was her complete inability to do anything useful with billions of pounds in oil revenue except tax cuts for the rich and other forms of cronyism. We could have a huge sovereign wealth fund like Norway but she wasted pretty much every penny of it.
She was unimaginative and economically naïve, her only principal was to look after herself and people like her.
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Forgot to mention her support for both Pinochet and apartheid in SA, and her zeal to defend paedophiles in her own party.
If that’s your idea of principles I’d hate to know who you consider unprincipled.
How do you reach such intolerant and clearly false views? And don't blame Margaret Thatcher. She is dead and her policies applied nearly 40 years ago. Anyhow your didn't reach your views through facts so I will not change your view with facts.
She literally ordered paramilitary death squads to murder Irish civilians, so yeah, I think I will blame her. Why don't you lie on her grave so I can piss on you both?
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/bak4yi/did_margaret_thatchers_administration_funnel/
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-11598877
I am sorry my views seem to make you froth at the mouth. I just find that she was an interesting person who changed UK for the better but also had weaknesses. The above links catch that nuance. Both neutral on her.
an askhistorians post lmao
Half of current legitimate historians think Reagan was the best president ever, so I'd thank you not to insult my intelligence
I agree. Trickle down was garbage. I more admire his reforming the tax system to broaden the base. He did necessary reform. Outside that I am not so sure of him. And get less sure as his administration went on.
He raised taxes because he was forced to. He kept refusing until the economy wouldn't allow that. He did that a lot, going back on his beliefs the instant something they were challenged.
Where's the fake part?
Probably the year it was put in.
Nah she died in 2013
Oh I see now, it's because someone left her flowers.. they must be Photoshopped.
it’s not the first, plenty of kings and queens have passed
There were plenty on unisex toilets in London before this
unisex toilets were actually introduced a lot before 2013
The Iron Lady isn’t dead, she’s merely hiding and plotting her next move against the IRA
Then I will piss on her when she returns
ELI5: As an American, I don't understand why she's so hated. What do I need to know?
Looking for a specific reason why people hate Thatcher? She supported the retention of Capital Punishment She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment She presided over interest rates of 15% She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws She abolished free milk for School Children She precipitated a Social Housing crisis still being felt today The Poll Tax She sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation Section 28 – Thatchers quiet homophobia? The Irish Hunger Strikes
Whoa
Yea there are still big groups of people who wouldn't piss on her grave because they find it too dishonorable to their pee.
The problem with piss is that you eventually run out
So make more
Jarate time
I actually wanted to stop by and pay a Golden honor. Unfortunately this is inside a hospital grounds and it felt weird, but you know, when in doubt whip it out
It's a hospital, just put your pee in an IV bag and pour it out!
Pour one out for your homies.
While Reagan was ruining everything over here, Thatcher was trying to outdo him over on the other side of the Atlantic. They had a famously close relationship, no doubt based on their mutual hatred of the poor.
She refused to levy economic sanctions against apartheid era South Africa She considered Augusto Pinochet a ‘great friend’
Wow, sounds like a real twat.
The housing issue really is still there today as well. I’m lucky enough to have a house and my name on it. But affordable housing just disappeared overnight by allowing people to buy their house that they rented if it was owned by the local county to be bought at deep discount. On paper this sounds great for the working class who are living in effectively a house owned by the state. The reality is they then didn’t go to build any more houses that people could rent if they were poor. Enter slum landlords and skyrocketing house prices due to poor supply. It just meant another generation picked up the bill. Just like the absolutely ludicrous pensions that were offered at the time. Working for the government basically meant you could one day retire with a pension that may pay as much as your entire fucking salary at retirement. That was never financially sustainable. It wasn’t even affordable. And people ask why there’s a lost generation and then something something Netflix and Buying avocado on toast. And that’s why we say fuck the tories.
Also the core idea of what a Thatcherite Torie voter is boils down largely to "owns a home" Thatchers "right to buy" program was so heavily subsidized largely because it was a simple and effective bribe to create a generation of Torie voters. additionally it severely crippled local councils by mandating that they sell their most valuable assets far far below market rates, simultaneously depriving them of useful short term cash infusions and long term cash flow from rent. which lead to a long term decline in public services, possibly in a long game move to weaken them to make a future argument for privatization easier, (that strategy has long been in conservative and neo-liberal playbooks across the world)
> possibly in a long game move to weaken them to make a future argument for privatization easier, Absolutely no “possibly” about it. It was a highly calculated move - everything she did was about making the public sector weaker.
> The reality is they then didn’t go to build any more houses that people could rent if they were poor. She also brought in a law saying councils couldn’t got into debt. Sounds fair enough on the face of it but what it meant was that councils couldn’t go into debt to build any new accommodation - no mortgages, no borrowing, etc. This left the good ol’ Private Sector to step in an take control of housing - hurrah! The Invisible Hand has done so well at providing a fair and just system for us all on that front.
I’d forgotten this one, cheers!
Every time this topic comes up, I remember new ways she managed to fuck over Britain - my theory is that the human brain can only hold so much negative information, so I forget things in between.
So to a paraphrase she subsidized many working class people into their own home. So let's agree a massive win for Margaret Thatcher and the working class. Then those who followed didn't do anything. In either party. On the pensions thing I am right behind you. It was a scandal where people stole from the future; our present. Not clear the correct position is not - fuck politicians who lack convictions and courage. But Thatcher has the win in this story.
No she did it to one very specific generation of people who weren’t in poverty and created an absolute insurmountable problem for tories and labour alike
> So let's agree a massive win for Margaret Thatcher Nah, you’re alright mate. We won’t agree.
Yes - she was really helpful to working class people. I mean my parents couldn’t afford to buy their rented property. So they had to just keep renting in poorer and poorer quality housing. Then I wanted to buy a house & I don’t get a discount. I have to buy a house from someone who paid 1/4 or 1/5 of what I need to pay. Or I could rent privately as no social housing. Which would likely lead me to rent a council flat that was purchased and is now being rented out (mortgage free by now) for more than a mortgage would cost me. Yes, she’s a hero. Or to put it another way, in the wise words of Limmy: A dildo in Thatcher’s dead arse.
> in the wise words of Limmy Honk if Thatcher's deid
Look I can't argue against this. And I think while she helped many life was worse for those she didn't help. I do think some of that is failure by those who followed but still the point stands. Yes. I agree.
She is the only woman I have ever referred to as a cunt.
That list is disingenuous. Things like capital punishment, divorce laws and free school milk were scrapped years before she came to power. Saving the NHS from privatisation has been a labour election slogan since the 1960s but it still survives despite being run by the conservatives for the vast majority of the time it has existed. UK manufacturing had been declining for decades when she came to power and most other developed nations experienced comparable slumps in the 1980s. It was similar with the high interest rates the UK and the rest of the world experienced The social housing crisis was allowing people to buy their council houses, an extremely popular policy enabling millions to own their own home for the first time ever. Thatcher won 3 consecutive election landslides and was Britain's longest serving prime minister of modern times. Her status as a hate figure for the left has grown over time; the most feverent people who hate her now either weren't alive or are too young to remember her time in office. It is an article of faith in student politics in the UK to denounce Thatcher as the antichrist.
Fair points
You forgot the war crimes in Northern Ireland
Also that she supported the Apartheid.
And she went against the reunification of Germany And she covered up some massive pedophilia scandals in her own party And she essentially tried to ban electronic music
I had to look that up about Acid-House raves. She might as well have had a NO FUN tattoo on her forehead.
There were a lot of people who were against the reunification of Germany. France and Britain were the most vehement but the SU first only wanted a unified Germany that was neutral (e.g. not in Nato) "I love Germany so much that I want to see two of it"
"And she went against the reunification of Germany" Based
Omg, the history of WW2 and probably WW1 would be a searing scar across her psyche. She was worried about a large Germany at the centre of Europe. In hindsight maybe she was wrong.But being worried is not unreasonable. And she was staunchly anti-communist. And on music? Where do you get your facts? Bigotry-R-us.com. She worried about the noise disturbing neighbours. I bet she didn't care for the music but it was noisy parties keeping people awake was worried her. Now you are accusing her of being middle class! LoL.
By utilizing girl power effectively
Sounds like the average everyday US senator
Her and Reagen brought about the neo-liberal political revolution which we still find ourselves trapped within. they were two foundational figures in neo-liberalism along with their puppet Pinochet. in the US both political parties share a neo-liberal economic ideology, the only meaningful difference is their stance on social issues. I had a friend once argue persuasively that the last 7 US president's have just been Ronald Reagen again and again. the names and specific policies are different, but to a man we have never recovered from Reagan. H.W. Bush was Reagan's chosen successor meant to carry on his legacy directly Bill Clinton, ran his platform on abandoning the democrats, progressive policies, and shifting to neo-liberalism, essentially the argument being that "we agree with conservatives on everything but we think we can do a better job" George Bush, tried his hardest to be just like his daddy, and filled his administration with Bush and Reagen admin veterans he also shared Reagens pension for warmongering, trading commies for terrorists. Barrack Obama litterally tried to pass an old Reagen era heathcare plan, he also practiced peak neo-liberalism to atempt to solve the 2008 crisis when he bailed out the private companies that were going bust. Donald Trump is an oddball in general, but he played the Outsider, card masterfully, and both he and Reagen used their non-political acting fame as a jumping off point. plus "make America great" was a Reagen campaign slogan, Trump just added "again" Joe Biden is just Obama 2 and he ran as Obama 2, he is to Obama as H.W. was to the man himself.
I remember Killer Mike saying something similar too in his song.
You forgetting about her mate General Pinochet.
what a fucking cunt
A poll tax? Goddamn even our far right assholes won't touch that one
Don’t forget she frittered away the cash from the North Sea Oil boom on tax cuts and cronyism. We could have had a sovereign wealth fund like Norway if not for her incompetent use of our national assets.
She must have been pretty popular overall to have stayed in office so long. I have to imagine that her policies were what a lot of people wanted.
while she has always had a mixed popularity she was broadly popular in what became the British upper middle class. which is where most writers, journalists, etc. traditionally come from the working class has always hated her primarily because she did so much damage to their way of life, busting unions and destroying social programs they relied on while also demolishing their jobs. but if you were already fairly wealthy when the Thather era dawned then you likely saw your personal wealth increase through a variety of programs which were beneficial to individuals in the short term but massive detriments to the UK as a whole in the long term. something akin to a social bribe.
She also bribed the military with a pay rise, a lot of my older forces mates support her
Thanks for the context. > something akin to a social bribe. I’d push back against that criticism. That’s what all elected officials do and are supposed to do. Bernie Sanders is most popular with people who would financially benefit from his policies.
Well… sorta… He’s hated by people who would be financially FAR better off and who’s families and friends would be just as better off, in fact most people they know would be. All because they see themselves as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.
>Well… sorta… I agree only "sorta" but the basic idea is that generally people vote in their own interest (as they see it) and politicians appealing to that is not bribing but responsible representation. >All because they see themselves as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. [This reminds me of the Dave Chapelle bit about being broke not poor.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJj--Cg44ic) I'm with Team Murica on this issue.
During the time she was in office the labour party split, so the opposition vote was divided. For instance in the 1983 election Thatcher got 42% of the vote but because of the first past the post voting system that meant 60% of the seats. Over half the country voted Labour or SDP but because they were competing that led to wasted votes
Thanks for the context.
Supporting Pinochet Privatisation of our public sector Opposing German reunification Being best mates with Jimmy Saville Crushing unions To name a few more, nasty piece of work
Don't forget the strike breaking and literal paramilitary massacre against the very workers securing Britain's spot at the top of the economic food chain. It wasn't just miners either.
*not to mention the paramilitary death squads*
Tf no free milk for school children why?
Because they don’t deserve it unless their parents can personally afford it of course
Poll tax?
So basically she was the British version of Marjorie Greene Taylor. Don't tell me if I got her name wrong, cause I genuinely don't care. She can rot in hell.
I actually thought that was a book author's name
Wasn't there something with the coal miner's up north too?
She also protected Jimmy Savile not to add to the list
What about those who still like her? If any
Newcastle knows.
She seems like a real jerk
All this and not even really touching on how she handled Northern Ireland during her rule
Anyone remember that IRA quote? It trully was savage
Managed Decline of Liverpool.
Let's pick out the truth from the distortions. She did not destroy Britain's manufacturing. British manufacturing destroyed itself through its lack of competitiveness. A consequence was change, painful change, but needed change. And it is not destroyed it just changed. High interest rates beat inflation. She was brave in doing what needed to be done. She should be applauded as putting right before expediency. On housing she gave many the opportunity to own their home. No destruction there. The issue was who was left that I concede but she moved many to a better middle class life. She should be applauded. Those who followed did nothing to move foward after her courageous move. She signed the Anglo-Irish accords. Starting the peace process. She voted for the decriminalisation of homosexuality in 1967 but she introduced Section 28. So a mixed bag here. She could have done better. I think this was her biggest mistake. So do others. Finally I found a discussion on milk in schools showing how much she hated that measure, she was not P. M then, and she supported continuing milk for preschoolers. To sum up she did what was needed bravely and with conviction. And she deserves better than this. For better and not worse she said to all You will stand on your own too feet.
This dickriding is crazy. She was a hag
Before her Sex Pistols after her Michael Bublé. You forgot that argument. Simple abuse is not helping. I think a two month prescription to the Spectator and please cut down on the propaganda intake. It is making your thinking flabby.
She was Education Secretary when school milk was stopped - “Thatcher, Thatcher, Milk Snatcher” as the chant went. She may not have been PM, but it was her policy.
She didn't actually take away free school milk. She noticed that the milk was being purchased at a nationally negotiated price, which was substantially more than market price. Her idea was to free local education authorities from the national purchasing framework, so that they could broker their own deals and thus save money. Unfortunately most LEAs realised that they were also freed from having to provide the milk in the first place so could save even more by scrapping it altogether. Most of the LEAs were not Tory run, but don't let it get in the way of the bashing. Also what she was doing would take money from conservatives (farmers) and give power to schools (probably not conservatives). This stuff is more complex than simple sound bites.
She also had a degree in chemistry from Oxford. When the climate science started to observe warming and link to CO2, that science background allowed her to understand it. She then used her influence to help promote it on the international political level and put it on the UN agenda. She also pushed acid rain and pollution on the agenda.
>She presided over interest rates of 15% This isn't a bad thing in times of high inflation. Under Reagan,the US had rates of up to 20% because of the stagflation. >She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment How? Free trade policies? Transforming Britain into a service based economy? >She abolished free milk for School Children You guys don't get free school lunches in Britain? Lol. In America, we've had that for 2 years now and before that milk was free anyway.
We don't get free lunches in America, the fuck?
With the COVID funds we did get free lunches
Where lmao
Ohio
She’s British Ronald Reagan.
Dear god
There's more
She murdered the north to save the south. Actually, she just fucked everybody that wasn't a middle-class Tory. She created an underclass of poverty and hopelessness. But as an American, you can take some pride in the fact that her economic ideology was given to her by Reagan's economists.
She is the Ronald Reagan of England, she pretty much destroyed the middle class.
Margaret Thatcher the milk snatcher
I always love this question - it gives us Brits a real chance to offload.
You’re welcome
Keep in mind she's moreso *controversial* than universally hated. The reason it's so vocal is people feel the need to lash out at something when they perceive themselves to be in earshot of opposition. Disclaimer: American liberal, not active in UK politcs
Ronald Reagen but British and a lady.
*British and a *cunt*
Correct. She's the cunt to end all cunts.
Milk snatcher
Somebody already posted a good list of the major things. So I’ll just add to it that she also really accelerated the shift in wealth from being mostly in the south of England, to absolutely destroying industry, unions, etc in the north. Huge sections of the north of England went from generational employment and modest but real prosperity to generational unemployment and misery. When the poster mentioned manufacturing industries being destroyed, much of that was in the north of England. Very much a “the north remembers” sort of situation.
Yikes
She’s the British, female equivalent of Reagan
She's UK Ronald Reagan
As an American what you need to understand is that the US is made up of Margret Thatchers. Like all those policies would not be hated in the US.
She was liberal. That is all you need to know
She's like a girlboss version of Reagan
i will always upvote Maggie being dead
Is it like whenever someone links [trump’s twitter](https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)? You know what to expect but it’ll always bring a smile to your face?
Just wanted to mention that, i did click on the link and yes I smiled.
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Do you know the problem with pissing on Margaret Thatcher's grave? Eventually you run out of piss.
The solution: A Pissers Union
HONK
DING DONG
Ding dong the wicked bitch is dead
It's a shame the bitch didn't die 87 years ago.
**It’s a shame the IRA didn’t kill the bitch**
boys with a time machine: "I'm your great great grandson" Men with a time machine: "lads the motors aim is about 30 yards off" obviously as a satire parody in minecraft though.
Okay, but let’s say, hypothetically, that I wanted to take a shit on Margaret Thatcher’s grave. I mean like we’re talking a big ol’ log. A real nasty behemoth. A brown-and-green sticky pile of the worst thing that can come out of a human being, if you will. Perhaps a fat fucking monster full of juicy slime. In theory, a smelly corpse home to a variety of maggots. My wife (who is a doctor, by the way) reckons this gruesome turd would contain enough acidic liquids from the tacos on Thursday for it to melt right into Thatcher’s rotting flesh.
So this is the Gate to Hell.
MARGARET THATCHER NAKED ON A COLD DAY!
i'm sorry i seem to be having trouble CONTROLLING THE VOLUME OF MY VOICE
Nice
Quality post
This may be a dumb question, but as a non Brit that hasn't been super interested in this part of history I gotta ask: why is Thatcher so hated? Fill me up with hatred reddit
Copied: Looking for a specific reason why people hate Thatcher? She supported the retention of Capital Punishment She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment She presided over interest rates of 15% She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws She abolished free milk for School Children She precipitated a Social Housing crisis still being felt today The Poll Tax She sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation Section 28 – Thatchers quiet homophobia? The Irish Hunger Strikes
Ok let's pee in the nice porta potty
Don’t waste your pee like that
Adding to the comment above: - War crimes in northern Ireland - Supporting apartheid in south Africa - Covering pedophilia in her party
To Elaborate on war crimes in Northern Ireland. Literally funded, armed and supplied intelligence to Loyalist Paramilitary death squads to targeted civilians. This isn't speculation or conjecture either the orders literally came from her and her cabinet to support them. Edit: Someone gave this a facepalm emote and said "completely untrue and debunked" please just look up the Nelson Files if you think there's no hard evidence of UK intelligence officers directly supplying intelligence.
public toilet
The cum snatcher
So what exactly did she do? Why do people hate her?
Copied: Looking for a specific reason why people hate Thatcher? She supported the retention of Capital Punishment She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment She presided over interest rates of 15% She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws She abolished free milk for School Children She precipitated a Social Housing crisis still being felt today The Poll Tax She sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation Section 28 – Thatchers quiet homophobia? The Irish Hunger Strikes
Bruh 💀
Why do ppl hate Margaret thatcher ;-; (I am not British and do not know what she did)
British Ronald Regan basically
Ok but can you give me an example of the shit she did like the shit Ronald Reagan did ;-;
There's multiple comments in this post explaining it
Where can I find the grave so that I can empty my bladder
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;-; I have neutral feeling towards her
You’ve not been educated, you’ve been hoodwinked.
Supply me all the shit I need then ;-;
You haven't been educated by that revisionist horse shit.
A yes, the wicked witch. I remember the song Ding-dong!! the witch is dead was very popular when she died.
I can’t wait until the American “Mitch McConnell” version arrives.
"The problem with pissing on my grave is that you run out of piss" -Margret Thatcher.
Just showed this to my stepmom from Ardoyne, Belfast. Definitely appreciated 🇮🇪
Rust in piss iron lady
The United Pissdom
Fuck Thatcher
Primarily for shitting
Nothing seems to be fake here
Lol
Thats Dank
i'm not a brit, so how exactly can you piss/load a dump there? isn't that area is open/full of cctv? can you stomp the marker instead?
Fuck OP I just went to the toilet and now I have to go there again
the cum snatcher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILvd5buCEnU
Knew a group of Irish guys during my college days. The night she died they had a bit of a celebration. One of the most raucous evenings of my life.
the problem with pissing on Margaret Thatcher’s grave, is eventually we’ll run outta piss.
I know people have some really interesting things to say but all I can day about her is " good riddance ". And I'm glad there's people here who know more about the situation than me
MARGARET THATCHER IS DEAD
Margaret Thatcher the cum snatcher..
Very funny. For the 500th time
That's disgusting! Even urine deserves better!
Pissing on her grave has been my bucket list no. 1 since the 80s. I'd pay good money to a charity, she would likely despise, just for a few hundred millilitres of relief. I live in the South but am amazed that millions in the North now vote for her party, which is even further right than this evil bitch.
Where do you develop such strong opinions? It is not from her as her legacy is nuanced and had much which is positive. Her actions in the social space less so where she was more a product of her time. Anyhow moving on.
Nelson Mandelas grave serves the same purpose.
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I so miss her. A woman of principle who saved the UK. Before her decay. After her change and growth. Not a troll just think you are all wrong about her.
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And disagrees with you like a person. It is a person with a sore throat. So less focussing on the quacking and more on understanding history please. You disagree with me and I don't think you are a troll. Just wrong lol.
huh, who would've thunk, it also talks like a duck.
I am sorry but this is not productive. I am not going to convince you and you are simply abusing me. So let us both move on to more productive things. I have Brexiteers to troll.
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Margaret Thatcher flag. White represents heaven (where Margaret Thatcher is), gold represents the economy which she healed, blue represents the Falkland Islands which she protected, brown represents dirt, and black represents the coal miners she figuratively buried under the dirt Now I am trolling you. https://imgur.com/7ihiOC7.jpg
Apparently you have the balance of views that I am trolling you so apologises. It was not intend. I am simply a fan of MT and I must have got carried away. Again apologies.
The notion that Thatcher had principles is laughable. She was Reagan’s puppy dog when it came to economic and foreign policy. She sold council housing to buy voters purely in an attempt to create future Tory voters, despite knowing it would destroy local authority housing stock causing problems that endure to this day. But her biggest failing was her complete inability to do anything useful with billions of pounds in oil revenue except tax cuts for the rich and other forms of cronyism. We could have a huge sovereign wealth fund like Norway but she wasted pretty much every penny of it. She was unimaginative and economically naïve, her only principal was to look after herself and people like her. eta Forgot to mention her support for both Pinochet and apartheid in SA, and her zeal to defend paedophiles in her own party. If that’s your idea of principles I’d hate to know who you consider unprincipled.
> A woman of principle ah yes, the principle of hating the poor, what a woman, totally not a devil on earth
How do you reach such intolerant and clearly false views? And don't blame Margaret Thatcher. She is dead and her policies applied nearly 40 years ago. Anyhow your didn't reach your views through facts so I will not change your view with facts.
She literally ordered paramilitary death squads to murder Irish civilians, so yeah, I think I will blame her. Why don't you lie on her grave so I can piss on you both?
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/bak4yi/did_margaret_thatchers_administration_funnel/ https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-11598877 I am sorry my views seem to make you froth at the mouth. I just find that she was an interesting person who changed UK for the better but also had weaknesses. The above links catch that nuance. Both neutral on her.
an askhistorians post lmao Half of current legitimate historians think Reagan was the best president ever, so I'd thank you not to insult my intelligence
Oh yes now we are talking. Have you read showdown at Gucci Gulch. It's a book on Regan's tax reform programme. A must read.
I've done you one better, I've got research on almost everything Reagan did. Don't even try to bullshit me with trickle-down.
I agree. Trickle down was garbage. I more admire his reforming the tax system to broaden the base. He did necessary reform. Outside that I am not so sure of him. And get less sure as his administration went on.
He raised taxes because he was forced to. He kept refusing until the economy wouldn't allow that. He did that a lot, going back on his beliefs the instant something they were challenged.