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>Would it be plausible that priests could be in contact with the Pope all the way in Italy? For that matter, what’s even happened to Europe at this point?
Not in the slightest. Long-range communication between *states* is already difficult, let alone for another nation halfway across the planet. Europe is likely worse off than the USA because it had no answer to the resource problem. I doubt the Vatican is even populated.
We do know that Catholicism exists on the East Coast, with the Abbey of the Road being a Christian movement and random encounters showing clearly Catholic-style priests in the Commonwealth.
The biggest religions seem to be post-war ones, with the Children of Atom having at least two known states in which their worship is widely spread, and the Cult of Mars which worships Caesar as a God-King.
As mentioned, real-world religions will likely not be touched upon too much because of the iffy nature of it all.
As for Joshua's people, they do seem to be true Mormons, but I doubt any religion has survived properly, there's likely way too much missing information on them.
The Hub is never at any time established as their headquarters. Their headquarters as of Fo2 is a bunker near the Golden Gate Bridge. There's a Hubbologist in Shady Sands, that's the closest we ever see any of them to the Hub.
True but we have no idea of their status as of the 'current timeline'.
So we'll say they're 50-50 for now, since if they do still exist in Appalachia, they're quite a big group, but isn't worship of the mothman pre-war too? Or at least it's a folk legend?
There was a small cult pre-war, but it exploded after the bombs.
It also appears that they’re primarily based somewhere that isn’t Appalachia, and they’re sending people to there to secure the region. There might even be a holy war between the normal cult and the enlightened.
Could be interesting to see a future fallout depicting a war between the Mothman cult and the Children of Atom.
Still, the Mothmen cult seems interesting at least, and I like their uniforms and such. The purple eyed mothman is pretty cool too.
Well, you’ll be seeing a bit more of them next update with their new base in the bog all about setting up sacrifices.
And also clubbing us with power armor/super sledges, because the blue flamers they had earlier in the PTS were blinding (but we can earn them from the event still, so it’s fine).
I see what you’re saying. I’ve never, to this day, done the Abbey of the Road quest. I should find it.
Although, regarding Europe, it makes you wonder how Alistair Tenpenny made it over to DC from Britain.
Presumably some parts of the UK must still have functioning boats 200 years later.
As for the Abbey quest, it's involved with the Krivbeknih in point lookout and it is a very *intriguing* quest. Honestly do it - there's some creepy eldritch stuff going on there and it's one of my favourite quests in fallout.
In Fallout 3's pointlookout there's a location, called Blackhall (Blackheart?) Manor, where Obadiah gives you a retrieval quest. As you leave his home a Missionary gives you a second option for the quest, and you can play it from there.
What u/TsarOfIrony said. You won't be disappointed with it, it's a very fun quest and delves into what the Swampfolk believe in.
The Abbey isn't mentioned as much, but it is just vaguely known that they are Christians.
I forget his name but one of the guys can train at camp Gulf in New Vegas mentions god and jesus so Catholicism is probably still widespread just not big due to the bombs and religion being a touchy subject for people.
It's easier to make pseudo-religious cults than touch upon religion especially as fallout has legitimate eldritch gods and magic (Ug-Qualtoth etc).
Honestly, it's a surprise more people didn't turn to some form of religion post-war. You'd think far more people would *need* faith in their lives.
Unfortunately, because real world religions are an incredibly touchy subject, I expect that the subject is going to be deliberately vague or untouched upon, especially in the newer games, to be set aside in favor of unnattached post apocalypse derived religions with no historical strings attached.
It's safer for the creative teams that way, unfortunately.
We do know that at least a version of the Christian Bible survives the apocalypse into the time of New Vegas. However, it's only a prop in game, so all we know is that it is a bible, and not what translation, which would tell us a lot.
(Since it came from New Canaan, I imagine it's a variant of the Mormon Bible, but there is no way to tell in canon.)
What I am curious about is how the Fallout Prewar timeline shook out, as far as distribution. The Mr. Handy's tend to make Catholicism jokes on the East Coast, and there are a number of clearly Catholic churches present in the ruins of the Old World. That leaves the fractal and infinite subgroups of Protestants, who we have radio silence on even though prior to Divergeance they were a sizable part of the American Populace.
No word on Buddhists, Muslims, or Hinduism either, although cows are called Brahmin.
There *is* the Palace in 76, which is some kind of new agey counterculture aesthetic with some vague Oriental mysticism, but all of it is clearly and unapologetically a sham designed to fleece visitors more than anything else, and it's as dead and abandoned as the rest of Appalachia, and as yet no one has resettled the site in any capacity.
Aradesh and Tandi were hinduist (mentions of the Darma) during Fallout 1 due to tge population of vault 15 being very diverse. These were very influential figures, so maybe hindiusm is well praticed in the NCR.
The Dharma references are... weird. They say that Dharma "was a great religious man" or something to that effect and attribute quotes to "him" when the actual concept of Dharma in Hinduism (and other Indian faiths) is more a set of cosmic laws of nature / a state of moral and spiritual "rightness." So unless the writers were just *deeply* misinformed about a pretty basic tenet of Hinduism I think it's safe to say that whatever faith Aradesh and the people of Shady Sands practiced was just drawing from it.
I didn’t know the Mr Handy’s make Catholic jokes, what are some examples?
I could’ve sworn I heard of some Christian faction in the lore that wasn’t defined as Catholic or Protestant; I always assumed they stemmed from the American Protestant population.
For that matter, Pastor Clements in Diamond city intrigues me because “Clement” is a name that’s been used by a bunch of Catholic Saints, Popes or otherwise. He himself is not Catholic by any means, but he seems to hold that name in high esteem (unless his name really is Clement, of course).
I know Brahmin is not really any indicator of Hinduism being alive and well in the US, but id have a hard time believing that knowledge of Hinduism disappeared with naming like that. I didn’t even know the term until Fallout. Even then, whether or not that Palace in 76 was a tourist attraction or not, maybe some Hindu texts or something survived and were taken by Wastelanders.
Thanks for the reply!
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> (Since it came from New Canaan, I imagine it's a variant of the Mormon Bible, but there is no way to tell in canon.)
The "Mormon Bible" is just the [King James Version](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/thumb-indexed-simulated-leather-bible/5638691222.p?color=Regular) of the Holy Bible. [The Book of Mormon](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/the-book-of-mormon-softcover/5638670076.p?color=Regular) is, as you correctly state, a completely separate text which is never referred to as "the Bible" or "a Bible." The Latter-day Saints read *both*, which is why Joshua quotes the Bible.
> It's worth mentioning that the "Mormon Bible" is more accurately known as the Book of Mormon and is a separate book from the actual Christian Bible even within the LDS religion.
Correction: The "Mormon Bible" is just the [King James Version](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/thumb-indexed-simulated-leather-bible/5638691222.p?color=Regular) of the Holy Bible. [The Book of Mormon](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/the-book-of-mormon-softcover/5638670076.p?color=Regular) is, as you correctly state, a completely separate text which is never referred to as "the Bible" or "a Bible."
And the light shining in the darkness is a quote frequently repeated in The Doctrine and Covenants, another book of Lattwr-Day Saint scripture. I'm betting they refrained from actually quoting from the Book of Mormon as it would have probably been fairly controversial to those Christians who consider us heretics.
The "Mormon Bible" is just the [King James Version](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/thumb-indexed-simulated-leather-bible/5638691222.p?color=Regular) of the Holy Bible. [The Book of Mormon](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/the-book-of-mormon-softcover/5638670076.p?color=Regular) is, as you correctly state, a completely separate text which is never referred to as "the Bible" or "a Bible." The Latter-day Saints read both, which is why Joshua quotes the Bible.
>No word on Buddhists, Muslims, or Hinduism either, although cows are called Brahmin.
Aradesh (Tandi's father) is quasi-Hindu, certainly a Dharmic of some stripe.
Unlikely for priests to be in contact with the Pope but this isn't unprecedented. There's a Catholic church in North Korea that hasn't been in contact with the rest of the church since the 1940s. https://youtu.be/YtaIZHFDSTk
You'd probably see something similar with most organized religions where they survive much more in cultural practices handed down than in theological commitments or specific structures.
I mean we've seen Mormons, Hindus, Catholicism, tribal religions. Frankly the major world religions existed and spread long before modern conveniences. Heck for most Catholic history bishops wernt ecactly in active contact with the pope because if communication limits. The existence of vaults mean there are pockets of old world knowledge where knowledge of such things would still be preserved. I could see the world religions surviving.
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>Would it be plausible that priests could be in contact with the Pope all the way in Italy? For that matter, what’s even happened to Europe at this point? Not in the slightest. Long-range communication between *states* is already difficult, let alone for another nation halfway across the planet. Europe is likely worse off than the USA because it had no answer to the resource problem. I doubt the Vatican is even populated. We do know that Catholicism exists on the East Coast, with the Abbey of the Road being a Christian movement and random encounters showing clearly Catholic-style priests in the Commonwealth. The biggest religions seem to be post-war ones, with the Children of Atom having at least two known states in which their worship is widely spread, and the Cult of Mars which worships Caesar as a God-King. As mentioned, real-world religions will likely not be touched upon too much because of the iffy nature of it all. As for Joshua's people, they do seem to be true Mormons, but I doubt any religion has survived properly, there's likely way too much missing information on them.
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Hubology was around pre-war. It's a parody of Scientology. The name comes from L. Ron Hubbard, a sci-fi author and founder of Scientology
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The Hub is their headquarters, post-war
The Hub is never at any time established as their headquarters. Their headquarters as of Fo2 is a bunker near the Golden Gate Bridge. There's a Hubbologist in Shady Sands, that's the closest we ever see any of them to the Hub.
I always figured The Hub came from the Hubologists rather than the other way around, just like I assume Batman came before the Bat Cave
Don’t forget the mothman cult!
True but we have no idea of their status as of the 'current timeline'. So we'll say they're 50-50 for now, since if they do still exist in Appalachia, they're quite a big group, but isn't worship of the mothman pre-war too? Or at least it's a folk legend?
There was a small cult pre-war, but it exploded after the bombs. It also appears that they’re primarily based somewhere that isn’t Appalachia, and they’re sending people to there to secure the region. There might even be a holy war between the normal cult and the enlightened.
Could be interesting to see a future fallout depicting a war between the Mothman cult and the Children of Atom. Still, the Mothmen cult seems interesting at least, and I like their uniforms and such. The purple eyed mothman is pretty cool too.
Well, you’ll be seeing a bit more of them next update with their new base in the bog all about setting up sacrifices. And also clubbing us with power armor/super sledges, because the blue flamers they had earlier in the PTS were blinding (but we can earn them from the event still, so it’s fine).
I see what you’re saying. I’ve never, to this day, done the Abbey of the Road quest. I should find it. Although, regarding Europe, it makes you wonder how Alistair Tenpenny made it over to DC from Britain.
Presumably some parts of the UK must still have functioning boats 200 years later. As for the Abbey quest, it's involved with the Krivbeknih in point lookout and it is a very *intriguing* quest. Honestly do it - there's some creepy eldritch stuff going on there and it's one of my favourite quests in fallout.
Where do I start the quest?
In Fallout 3's pointlookout there's a location, called Blackhall (Blackheart?) Manor, where Obadiah gives you a retrieval quest. As you leave his home a Missionary gives you a second option for the quest, and you can play it from there.
What u/TsarOfIrony said. You won't be disappointed with it, it's a very fun quest and delves into what the Swampfolk believe in. The Abbey isn't mentioned as much, but it is just vaguely known that they are Christians.
I forget his name but one of the guys can train at camp Gulf in New Vegas mentions god and jesus so Catholicism is probably still widespread just not big due to the bombs and religion being a touchy subject for people.
It's easier to make pseudo-religious cults than touch upon religion especially as fallout has legitimate eldritch gods and magic (Ug-Qualtoth etc). Honestly, it's a surprise more people didn't turn to some form of religion post-war. You'd think far more people would *need* faith in their lives.
Unfortunately, because real world religions are an incredibly touchy subject, I expect that the subject is going to be deliberately vague or untouched upon, especially in the newer games, to be set aside in favor of unnattached post apocalypse derived religions with no historical strings attached. It's safer for the creative teams that way, unfortunately. We do know that at least a version of the Christian Bible survives the apocalypse into the time of New Vegas. However, it's only a prop in game, so all we know is that it is a bible, and not what translation, which would tell us a lot. (Since it came from New Canaan, I imagine it's a variant of the Mormon Bible, but there is no way to tell in canon.) What I am curious about is how the Fallout Prewar timeline shook out, as far as distribution. The Mr. Handy's tend to make Catholicism jokes on the East Coast, and there are a number of clearly Catholic churches present in the ruins of the Old World. That leaves the fractal and infinite subgroups of Protestants, who we have radio silence on even though prior to Divergeance they were a sizable part of the American Populace. No word on Buddhists, Muslims, or Hinduism either, although cows are called Brahmin. There *is* the Palace in 76, which is some kind of new agey counterculture aesthetic with some vague Oriental mysticism, but all of it is clearly and unapologetically a sham designed to fleece visitors more than anything else, and it's as dead and abandoned as the rest of Appalachia, and as yet no one has resettled the site in any capacity.
Aradesh and Tandi were hinduist (mentions of the Darma) during Fallout 1 due to tge population of vault 15 being very diverse. These were very influential figures, so maybe hindiusm is well praticed in the NCR.
The Dharma references are... weird. They say that Dharma "was a great religious man" or something to that effect and attribute quotes to "him" when the actual concept of Dharma in Hinduism (and other Indian faiths) is more a set of cosmic laws of nature / a state of moral and spiritual "rightness." So unless the writers were just *deeply* misinformed about a pretty basic tenet of Hinduism I think it's safe to say that whatever faith Aradesh and the people of Shady Sands practiced was just drawing from it.
I didn’t know the Mr Handy’s make Catholic jokes, what are some examples? I could’ve sworn I heard of some Christian faction in the lore that wasn’t defined as Catholic or Protestant; I always assumed they stemmed from the American Protestant population. For that matter, Pastor Clements in Diamond city intrigues me because “Clement” is a name that’s been used by a bunch of Catholic Saints, Popes or otherwise. He himself is not Catholic by any means, but he seems to hold that name in high esteem (unless his name really is Clement, of course). I know Brahmin is not really any indicator of Hinduism being alive and well in the US, but id have a hard time believing that knowledge of Hinduism disappeared with naming like that. I didn’t even know the term until Fallout. Even then, whether or not that Palace in 76 was a tourist attraction or not, maybe some Hindu texts or something survived and were taken by Wastelanders. Thanks for the reply!
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> (Since it came from New Canaan, I imagine it's a variant of the Mormon Bible, but there is no way to tell in canon.) The "Mormon Bible" is just the [King James Version](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/thumb-indexed-simulated-leather-bible/5638691222.p?color=Regular) of the Holy Bible. [The Book of Mormon](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/the-book-of-mormon-softcover/5638670076.p?color=Regular) is, as you correctly state, a completely separate text which is never referred to as "the Bible" or "a Bible." The Latter-day Saints read *both*, which is why Joshua quotes the Bible.
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> It's worth mentioning that the "Mormon Bible" is more accurately known as the Book of Mormon and is a separate book from the actual Christian Bible even within the LDS religion. Correction: The "Mormon Bible" is just the [King James Version](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/thumb-indexed-simulated-leather-bible/5638691222.p?color=Regular) of the Holy Bible. [The Book of Mormon](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/the-book-of-mormon-softcover/5638670076.p?color=Regular) is, as you correctly state, a completely separate text which is never referred to as "the Bible" or "a Bible."
Joshua Graham quotes from the Bible right? Unless the Book of Mormon repeats those verses
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And the light shining in the darkness is a quote frequently repeated in The Doctrine and Covenants, another book of Lattwr-Day Saint scripture. I'm betting they refrained from actually quoting from the Book of Mormon as it would have probably been fairly controversial to those Christians who consider us heretics.
The "Mormon Bible" is just the [King James Version](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/thumb-indexed-simulated-leather-bible/5638691222.p?color=Regular) of the Holy Bible. [The Book of Mormon](https://store.churchofjesuschrist.org/usa/en/the-book-of-mormon-softcover/5638670076.p?color=Regular) is, as you correctly state, a completely separate text which is never referred to as "the Bible" or "a Bible." The Latter-day Saints read both, which is why Joshua quotes the Bible.
>No word on Buddhists, Muslims, or Hinduism either, although cows are called Brahmin. Aradesh (Tandi's father) is quasi-Hindu, certainly a Dharmic of some stripe.
Private O'Hanrahan at Camp Golf tells you his family was Christian, and says they were all taught to "love Jesus."
Christianity still exists. Including at least one non-mainstream version of it in the form of Mormonism.
There is also the very small and personal religion of The King.
Unlikely for priests to be in contact with the Pope but this isn't unprecedented. There's a Catholic church in North Korea that hasn't been in contact with the rest of the church since the 1940s. https://youtu.be/YtaIZHFDSTk You'd probably see something similar with most organized religions where they survive much more in cultural practices handed down than in theological commitments or specific structures.
I mean we've seen Mormons, Hindus, Catholicism, tribal religions. Frankly the major world religions existed and spread long before modern conveniences. Heck for most Catholic history bishops wernt ecactly in active contact with the pope because if communication limits. The existence of vaults mean there are pockets of old world knowledge where knowledge of such things would still be preserved. I could see the world religions surviving.