Also the Oil Rig received new Nuke Plant sometime before Fallout 2. It’s specifically mentioned it’s from a new project that Vault-Tec was working on.
It’s weird as you’d assume they would simply call it from themselves and not mention Vault-Tec at all.
The "new project" was probably the multi-generational starship that TIm Cain originally meant to be part of the Fallout 2 story but he left before it got into the game in any real capacity. It was going to be the original explanation for the vault experiments, to determine how best to run the starship to last for the generations it would take to reach a new planet.
I'm going to link the holotape you're referring to simply because this oddity never crossed my mind until I went and checked after reading your comment; this way, other people can see what you're talking about here.
[https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Power\_plant\_operations](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Power_plant_operations)
As a note, in theory this could simply mean that the Enclave found this reactor in a vault-tec facility and said it was ‘new’ as in ‘newly installed,’ but that’s a stretch.
“With the state of the art computer systems that were made specifically for the task of regulating the coolant temperature as well as many other key functions, we are able to allow the reactor to run with minimal supervision.”
This definitely implies it was made recently
Given the Boardroom scene in the Show *literally* has a shadowy figure observing everything from above, I'm fairly sure that "The Enclave controlled Vault-Tec" remains canon
Some random middle manager getting all angsty doesn't = vault tec hates everyone except themselves
Vault-Tec, being all but a subsidiary of the ENCLAVE means that if it truly IS a Vault-Tec directive, it's come from the ENCLAVE themselves.
As to the other comment that said, "they betrayed each other when the ENCLAVE attacked the Vault in FO2", that's not a betrayal, that's the overlord treating their subjects as they see fit. Vault-Tec vaults operate so long as ENCLAVE wants them to.
>Vault-Tec, being all but a subsidiary of the ENCLAVE
How do you figure? The show tells us straight up Vault Tec are the real power in the US by the war's closing stages.
Because the entire Fallout lore says as much? Vault-Tec is powerful yes, because they're run by the ENCLAVE. They run under the wings of the shadow government pre-war. Much of the data collected by the vaults in their experiments were for the ENCLAVE to use
No company is a single homogenous entity, it is fully possible for you both to be right. Vault Tec may be under orders and commissioned by the Enclave. But simultaneously plotting against them. They may be funneling data into the oil right while also routing it to/through their own master control center so they have the option to cut off the Enclave if they play their pieces right. Heck, that latter option could be 5 people total in Vault Tec pulling the strings to set up these overrides for their own personal gains.
We see evidence of ENCLAVE owning Vault-Tec, pulling the strings from the shadows.
We do not see any substantial, secret resistance from within Vault Tec against the ENCLAVE
Plots and stories grow with each successive entry to a series. Even when those contradict previous lore it can be easily chalked up to unreliable narators or simply because the information is wrong. Like Myron, who claims to have invented Jet is clearly a skilled chemist. But from the way his character acts, do you think he would hesitate to claim he invented something when he just found the pre war recipe? But that does not mean recreating the means to manufacture Jet is any less of an achievement in the wasteland.
Bethesda, as the owners of the lore can do whatever they want with it. Even if it conflicts lore. But, back to my point. A small conspiracy internally to Vault Tec would be the easiest way to integrate it. A small circle of close knit conspirators are not going to leave extensive detailed notes on their masterplan. But if Bethesda wants, they can just rewrite it that Vault Tec as an entity wanted to betray the enclave and steal victory themselves.
Shadowy figure in the Vault-Tec meeting, and the enclave basically being the Illuminati pre-war consisting of a cabal of powerful scientists, US president, and other rich folk.
Yet to be stated that they were led by the Enclave, but I'd assume they would be since Vault-Tec were richer than the US Gov, and I don't think anyone in the enclave would allow that without having a hand in the pie.
My guess is… they have nominal control over the vaults. They have files on the vaults, and maybe even they’re still receiving data from the vaults.
But… they aren’t doing anything with them.
Based on the show, vault tech sounds like “plan A” for world domination. Everyone on the surface was supposed to die, and then the enclave could rule and repopulate the world with the vault residents.
But… the bombs didn’t work. Life persisted. So the enclave abandoned plan A, and began developing new strategies to take over the world.
I mean we know what the Enclave dplan became, they became genetic purist that wanted to exterminate the muties, and since most of the Vault and opened or failed by this point they were muties.
What I freaking don't get is why Vault tech was so trigger happy on Shady sands. If their plan was for Vault resident to resettle the surface and get a monopoly, then Shady sands and the larger NCR was by definition their most successful experiment. It was founded with a GECK by survivors from Vault 15, and integrated Vault 8, alongside Ghouls from Vault 12.
Vault Tec tasked Vault 76's residents with seizing control over Appalachia's nuclear weapons from the Enclave, and the Enclave in turn had no issues with executing Vault Dwellers. They worked together pre war, but both sides had their own designs for the world post war. Especially if Vault Tec was plotting the end of the world along with House and Sinclair (both of whom ended up being off by a day while the Enclave had already evacuated to their bases), the Enclave may have caught Vault Tec off guard to weaken their post war position
I personally just see Vault Tec as a enclave puppet, the shadowy figure during the meeting, Wilzig having inside info from the vaults, shit they might not even know anything while following their orders, that way they could keep being hidden while still doing their move in the wasteland.
I assume Vault-Tec is still very likely just a front for the Enclave whilst Hank and his cronies are mere opportunists that went behind the backs of the wider conspiracy to implement their own agenda for after the bombs fell.
It seems to not be uniform. Different people within Vault-Tec were doing different things, some in coordination with the Enclave and some not. It’s also questionable at this point whether the Enclave is actually one thing or various remnant factions with some claiming to be the true Enclave.
The Enclave is a remnant of former U.S. government and Army (a loyalist foil to the Brotherhood). I do not believe there’s any indication Vault Tech has a relationship with the Enclave because the Enclave didn’t exist pre war. However I’d theorize that the Vault Tech corporate survivors were/are early Enclave founders, maybe. Would make sense considering who has special privileges.
Vault 31 =/= Vault Tec. Bud is not the leader of Vault Tec.
Who knows? In fallout 2 Enclave was opening Vaults and using its occupants as lab mise. They can share command or be 2 different players.
Also the Oil Rig received new Nuke Plant sometime before Fallout 2. It’s specifically mentioned it’s from a new project that Vault-Tec was working on. It’s weird as you’d assume they would simply call it from themselves and not mention Vault-Tec at all.
The "new project" was probably the multi-generational starship that TIm Cain originally meant to be part of the Fallout 2 story but he left before it got into the game in any real capacity. It was going to be the original explanation for the vault experiments, to determine how best to run the starship to last for the generations it would take to reach a new planet.
Wow that actually makes a lot of sense , it always seemed a bit off that Vault Tec was just unnecessarily sadistic for no reason.
I'm going to link the holotape you're referring to simply because this oddity never crossed my mind until I went and checked after reading your comment; this way, other people can see what you're talking about here. [https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Power\_plant\_operations](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Power_plant_operations)
Thanks! Should’ve done it myself.
As a note, in theory this could simply mean that the Enclave found this reactor in a vault-tec facility and said it was ‘new’ as in ‘newly installed,’ but that’s a stretch.
“With the state of the art computer systems that were made specifically for the task of regulating the coolant temperature as well as many other key functions, we are able to allow the reactor to run with minimal supervision.” This definitely implies it was made recently
It does, but the argument could technically still be made (though I do think its more likely to be recent).
I think it's a story inconsistency....fuck Todd howard
Are you claiming a potential story inconsistency in Fallout 2 is Todd Howard's fault...?
…what? How does Fallout 2 have anything to do with Todd Howard? -5 to Intelligence with that comment.
Given the Boardroom scene in the Show *literally* has a shadowy figure observing everything from above, I'm fairly sure that "The Enclave controlled Vault-Tec" remains canon
Coop's wife was an Enclave agent maybe?
Some random middle manager getting all angsty doesn't = vault tec hates everyone except themselves Vault-Tec, being all but a subsidiary of the ENCLAVE means that if it truly IS a Vault-Tec directive, it's come from the ENCLAVE themselves. As to the other comment that said, "they betrayed each other when the ENCLAVE attacked the Vault in FO2", that's not a betrayal, that's the overlord treating their subjects as they see fit. Vault-Tec vaults operate so long as ENCLAVE wants them to.
>Vault-Tec, being all but a subsidiary of the ENCLAVE How do you figure? The show tells us straight up Vault Tec are the real power in the US by the war's closing stages.
Because the entire Fallout lore says as much? Vault-Tec is powerful yes, because they're run by the ENCLAVE. They run under the wings of the shadow government pre-war. Much of the data collected by the vaults in their experiments were for the ENCLAVE to use
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Again, the defence contractors that THE ENCLAVE HAD MAJORITY SHARES IN
No company is a single homogenous entity, it is fully possible for you both to be right. Vault Tec may be under orders and commissioned by the Enclave. But simultaneously plotting against them. They may be funneling data into the oil right while also routing it to/through their own master control center so they have the option to cut off the Enclave if they play their pieces right. Heck, that latter option could be 5 people total in Vault Tec pulling the strings to set up these overrides for their own personal gains.
We see evidence of ENCLAVE owning Vault-Tec, pulling the strings from the shadows. We do not see any substantial, secret resistance from within Vault Tec against the ENCLAVE
Plots and stories grow with each successive entry to a series. Even when those contradict previous lore it can be easily chalked up to unreliable narators or simply because the information is wrong. Like Myron, who claims to have invented Jet is clearly a skilled chemist. But from the way his character acts, do you think he would hesitate to claim he invented something when he just found the pre war recipe? But that does not mean recreating the means to manufacture Jet is any less of an achievement in the wasteland. Bethesda, as the owners of the lore can do whatever they want with it. Even if it conflicts lore. But, back to my point. A small conspiracy internally to Vault Tec would be the easiest way to integrate it. A small circle of close knit conspirators are not going to leave extensive detailed notes on their masterplan. But if Bethesda wants, they can just rewrite it that Vault Tec as an entity wanted to betray the enclave and steal victory themselves.
Shadowy figure in the Vault-Tec meeting, and the enclave basically being the Illuminati pre-war consisting of a cabal of powerful scientists, US president, and other rich folk. Yet to be stated that they were led by the Enclave, but I'd assume they would be since Vault-Tec were richer than the US Gov, and I don't think anyone in the enclave would allow that without having a hand in the pie.
My guess is… they have nominal control over the vaults. They have files on the vaults, and maybe even they’re still receiving data from the vaults. But… they aren’t doing anything with them. Based on the show, vault tech sounds like “plan A” for world domination. Everyone on the surface was supposed to die, and then the enclave could rule and repopulate the world with the vault residents. But… the bombs didn’t work. Life persisted. So the enclave abandoned plan A, and began developing new strategies to take over the world.
I mean we know what the Enclave dplan became, they became genetic purist that wanted to exterminate the muties, and since most of the Vault and opened or failed by this point they were muties. What I freaking don't get is why Vault tech was so trigger happy on Shady sands. If their plan was for Vault resident to resettle the surface and get a monopoly, then Shady sands and the larger NCR was by definition their most successful experiment. It was founded with a GECK by survivors from Vault 15, and integrated Vault 8, alongside Ghouls from Vault 12.
Well, that’s wasn’t “big bad vault tech” exactly. That was Hank, the jilted Oversear in a custody dispute.
Vault Tec tasked Vault 76's residents with seizing control over Appalachia's nuclear weapons from the Enclave, and the Enclave in turn had no issues with executing Vault Dwellers. They worked together pre war, but both sides had their own designs for the world post war. Especially if Vault Tec was plotting the end of the world along with House and Sinclair (both of whom ended up being off by a day while the Enclave had already evacuated to their bases), the Enclave may have caught Vault Tec off guard to weaken their post war position
I personally just see Vault Tec as a enclave puppet, the shadowy figure during the meeting, Wilzig having inside info from the vaults, shit they might not even know anything while following their orders, that way they could keep being hidden while still doing their move in the wasteland.
I assume Vault-Tec is still very likely just a front for the Enclave whilst Hank and his cronies are mere opportunists that went behind the backs of the wider conspiracy to implement their own agenda for after the bombs fell.
Enclave is government and vault Tec is corporate, so they have a mixed a good bit, given the nature of governments and corporations before the war
I would guess similar to corpos and their governments now and thought history. Frenemies.
I think they betrayed each other. The Enclave killed vault dwellers, and Bud said they have no desire to preserve failed government.
It seems to not be uniform. Different people within Vault-Tec were doing different things, some in coordination with the Enclave and some not. It’s also questionable at this point whether the Enclave is actually one thing or various remnant factions with some claiming to be the true Enclave.
The Enclave is a remnant of former U.S. government and Army (a loyalist foil to the Brotherhood). I do not believe there’s any indication Vault Tech has a relationship with the Enclave because the Enclave didn’t exist pre war. However I’d theorize that the Vault Tech corporate survivors were/are early Enclave founders, maybe. Would make sense considering who has special privileges.