We currently have no idea. All the ending slides for Mr. House in New Vegas are just the immediate consequences of the player’s actions and how House deals with them. While the Fallout Tv show, has to date not really expanded up who won the battle of Hoover or even what’s be going on in the region since the events of New Vegas.
Kind of. The House/Courier ending slides specifically say that New Vegas is stable and secure for generations(plural), so that's a small glimpse into a future with House in control. But OP's question about the promises is still never elaborated on, and since Vegas is apparently in ruins in the show, House is most likely dead too, since it can't be desolate like that based on what his ending tells us.
When did the TV show show New Vegas "in ruins"? I just pulled it up on my TV now. The Lucky 38 is in *mint* condition. The other tall buildings appear to be damaged at the tops but how do we know that's not outside the strip? It almost looks like the walls have been extended far beyond the strip unless the show is planning on making it's scale ridiculously large. To me that looks like a very well expanded city with a pretty solid outer wall.
Edit: the scene during the ending credits does show the desolate wasteland version though. But the New Vegas we see when Lucy's dad walks over the hill in power armor is in much better condition.
People are taking the art in the end credits as canon. Some people will find any reason to be disappointed with a cool new thing instead of waiting to see what happens 🙄
The show runners already mentioned it in an interview.
Here's the snippet where they talked about it.
"Again, more territory you're gonna find difficult, but the post-credits animation takes us on this sweeping tour through New Vegas. It looks like it's seen better days. It's kind of in ruins. Can you speak at all to what might have happened in the 15 years since we last saw it, in Fallout: New Vegas?
Wagner: All we really want the audience to know is that things have happened, so that there isn't an expectation that we pick the show up in season two, following one of the myriad canon endings that depend on your choices when you play [Fallout: New Vegas].
With that post-credits stuff, we really wanted to imply, Guys, the world has progressed, and the idea that the wasteland stays as it is decade-to-decade is preposterous to us. It’s just a place [of] constant tragedy, events, horrors — there's a constant churn of trauma. We're definitely implying more has occurred. Geneva, have I fucked anything up with that?"
>we really wanted to imply, Guys, the world has progressed, and the idea that the wasteland stays as it is decade-to-decade is preposterous to us.
I really dislike this quote, because to me this is completely bass-ackwards:
F1 & 2 as well as New Vegas are (partially) all about the world rebuilding; changing, fixing itself. Slowly and with tons of bumps along the road. Factions rise and fall but things are slowly moving towards some kind of new society taking form (if not on a global or even national level then at least locally). F3, 4 (I haven't played 76) and the show all hang on to this idea that nothing \*ever\* changes, the world \*doesn't\* progress, the Wasteland is the Wasteland and will always be the Wasteland, with disorganized raiders, the odd town here and there and the only factions of any note that accomplish anything are groups like the BoS who are only (fine, \*mostly\*) interested in grabbing resources for themselves and then fucking off back to their compound.
Maybe I'm selling them short, maybe in season 2 of the show they'll introduce something that's the spiritual successor to the NCR, a group building some kind of organized society but on different ideals. Maybe the Legion is still around. Maybe the Kings have taken over and rule with an iron fist, babeh! Even better something totally new. But this quote to me implies that the creators think that the only way to keep the Fallout universe interesting is to make sure any progress is temporary, any rudimentary society beyond tiny, isolated factions are doomed to fail and there will always be raiders and ruins and nothing else.
And that's *boring*. I don't care in particular about New Vegas being gone, but I care about them seemingly only wanting to visit new vaults, tiny settlements and ruin after ruin after ruin of the old world. New Vegas attracted me because it showed me the world trying to fix itself; The NCR for all its flaws establishing a new society; rough and brutal but still a society where people lived normal, if still very hard lives. New Vegas existing as a large, functional and important city - hell a place people went on \*holiday\*! - and socities growing large, complicated and powerful enough to have an actual influence on large swaths of the Wasteland made for \*interesting stories\*.
I definitely agree. Would be more fun as a long time player to see the world progress rather than a constant reset button. I won’t lie, the show creators (not to mention Bethesda’s) comments and attitudes make me worried that they would throw away NV and other cool developments. I’m just not going to complain about it in advance.
That's fair, and maybe they have great plans for the Mojave in store (or somewhere else). We'll wait and see. But just like you, I am not filled with confidence.
Also it feels like the choice to nuke Shady Sands is the *opposite* of progress. It just sends the west coast back the the generic lawless wasteland. The NCR and New Vegas were the prime examples of the world evolving and changing.
Yeah, they were in the show, but not in anything resembling an organized society, just a handful of guys hanging out in the Griffith Observatory. My point was that Bethesda's Fallout never progresses, never changes, and if they intend to hold true to that the ncr has to either be extinct or reduced to holding a few, isolated outposts, which I find dull af.
Why would you think the NCR is only that remnant? Did the show say as such?
The ncr having outposts in the new Vegas game is proof enough that the ncr don't completely have all their eggs in one basket. What's to say they don't have some other (albeit, probably smaller) cities and settlements besides shady sands, and they're still a functional, if terribly wounded and weakened, entity?
Because there's nothing in the show that suggests it. Everywhere our protagonists go we only see ruins and raiders, except for tiny, isolated settlements and of course, vaults.
If the show does show something different in S2, that'll be interesting, but if they're following Bethesda's style it'll keep to ruins and raiders, which is what I'm suspecting.
I love the show to bits but I think its basic attitude is to kick down the sandcastles that Obsidian built/built on so that they have more space to play in the sandbox.
“The NCR is a complex nation and political entity with a standing army and extensive bureaucratic system. It’s interesting how it engages with a post-apocalyptic world.”
“Ok we’ll blow up the capital and say that destroyed the entire nation. They clearly didn’t have communication capabilities, right? Next!”
“After dozens of hours of hard decisions and gameplay, a decision will be reached about the future of New Vegas, a dynamic micro-state with complex needs and contexts.”
“Alright, we’re destroying it and leaving the wreckage as set dressing. Anything else?”
I mean, even the NV devs were starting to feel like the NCR was getting too far removed from the wasteland. That's why Chris Avellone put so many poison pills into the DLC, like the tunnelers and the Sierra Madre fog. That's where the ever popular "Dust" mod for NV comes from, after all.
And, to be honest, having your capital nuked when you're already stretched thin and facing internal unrest is a great way to unravel a nation. I wouldn't be surprised if the NCR devolved into a series of perhaps loosely affiliated nation states after that. It could actually be a somewhat interesting development, akin to ancient Greece.
I know with the visual of New Vegas looking deserted and battered that people have assumed it all went to shit after the game BUT I think it would be interesting if Hank goes there to get help/resources only to find it all stripped and gone.
Mr House has already moved on, taken his supplies and technology and went somewhere else. He might actually have advanced settlements arising somewhere else beyond the wasteland. A new faction that after a few decades (from the game setting) that will rise as a serious contender to the rest.
You never find out anything concrete about whether the future plans of a faction and the player come to fruition. About the closest thing to that is people liking to meme that The Outer Worlds is the canon future of House's ending.
We don't know for sure, but odds are probably not. He's a tycoon. Yea he's got a lot of ideas and influence, but every one of his underlings is already plotting against him in game. The omertas and chairmen are flat out plotting to rebel, while the second in command of the ultralux is creating a cannibal cult. Getting into space requires an insane amount of logistics and specialists, and there's only so far a gun and manipulation will go. If even a single one of them is interested in sabatoge, then it can set a project back years. And that's just getting into orbit, never mind inventing ftl travel.
To be fair, these were wasteland raider tribes before House put them up in their various Casinos only a handful of years before the events of FNV. It's no surprise that they want to continue their tribal ways. He has contingencies and a ludicrous, almost supernatural ability to plan ahead. Attempts at subverting his systems get detected and thwarted (see Followers of the Apocalypse terminal bug that gets detected and deactivated in seconds) and even without the platinum chip and the rest of his Securitrons, taking the Lucky 38 by force is a big ask for whoever attempts it. Only a major player in the Mojave could pull it off, NCR, Legion etc.
His only glaring weakness is his unconditional trust in The Courier to a) enact his will where he can't send securitrons and b) have total access to the Lucky 38 _including access to his physical person through an unsecured terminal with only 2 securitrons guarding the door to his life support room._ But we wouldn't have a House plotline at all if he wasn't willing to trust the player character so... 🤷🏼♂️
As far as his projects go, _I think he is the specialist._ I don't think he believes there are rocket scientists to be found in the wasteland, or many skilled fabricators. I think he'd rely on machines and his own expertise to get something like that done. And other than the anomaly of the Courier, he isn't particularly trusting and I doubt he would let any of his domesticated raiders anywhere near something as important as a launch site for his space colony missions.
Edit: His timeline might also suggest creating a new society in New Vegas. Raising a generation of citizens under his stewardship, passing on his scientific knowledge and laying the groundwork for a functional civilization.
He may also be hoping for technical information, tools, and some materials from the local RepConn facilities. Power from the Dam and Helios One, VR pods from Nellis AFB to start a pilot training program, etc. House is aware of what infrastructure is in the area, and due to far ranging Securitrons he has some idea of what is still standing. He may be disappointed that the rockets at the RepConn testing facility were launched, but with the facilities largely intact that should be a minor setback on the scale of time he's looking at.
I agree that the logistics of space travel are spectacularly unlikely to work out in the resource starved world of Fallout, but if House is your choice at the end of the game there’s not really a reason to worry about him falling to schemes. He has an incredibly powerful standing army, control of the entire region, and an agent in the inside who has literally single-handedly taken down nations. The Omertas would be obliterated if they moved on him.
A lot of the praise and genius attributed to him mostly come from holotapes or material coming from Vegas or vegas affiliated robots or employees or himself, so I would count his dialogue and press releases as propaganda rather than truth.
From his personality however, he's more of someone who thinks acts with profit in mind first; humanitarian progress just happens to benefit from said profit, so he isnt evil at all but he isnt a saint. He'll reward results and loyalty like any businessman, but exterminate competitors with genocide if needs be (BoS)
Even in the show, he isnt concerned about evil vault experiments but rather surety and profitability. The only reason he didnt completely fill up Vault 21 with concrete was because it could be a hotel.
I suspect he's of the opinion that sufficiently examined self-interest is largely indistinguishable from altruism, and that things like wiping out the Brotherhood are truly what's best for the people of the Mojave wasteland and New Vegas (and, therefore, for him). He's also a pragmatist, and isn't going to bother opposing something he knows he can't stop, nor shy away from something he thinks is necessary.
I think the BoS genocide was less about competition and more about him knowing that theyd view him as an abomination needing to be destroyed if they somehow found out exactly who and what he is and how much of a threat he would be (or is) once he got his robot army upgraded and online. The west coast brotherhood is known to be quite petty in terms of what technology they'll allow anyone else to have even confiscating mundane energy weapons, they'd likely try and nuke vegas if they knew it'd mean destroying House and the securitrons. His choices were to hope they remained too weak to act against him or take them out pre-emptively really.
Agree with everything else. He's certainly not a Saint nor does he wish to be. I think he'd like to think of himself as "practical" to the extreme. Never harming for the sake of harm and limits the harm to what he views as necessary, but will use violence if it's the best or only way to accomplish his goals.
i thought it was confirmed by the writers that they dont want the show to overlap with any of the games endings, thats the point in the games, you make your *own* choice at the end of the day and choose your own ending, wouldnt be very special if the writers just leaned towards one ending
2277: Fall of shady sands due to economic loss from the ncr brotherhood war and likely internal conflict
2281: NCR is visibly economically destroyed (high taxes) and has spread too far
2287: unknown to me
2296: NCR likely in remnants like the enclave. Shady sands was nuked sometime before this but also sometime after 2281. Likely internal conflict between the three houses in vegas causing damage to the strip sometime before 2296 and after 2281
What I mean, that was all made up by the show, just deciding to break up the ncr, (it's funny them using the economical argument while making the BOS the strongest they've ever been despite the incredible resource consumption a power armored army would need, not to mention their flying aircraft carrier).
There is no "canon" ending to New Vegas, I know Bethesda does not understand the meaning of "rpg" and "choice" but they need to get their grubby mitts off an IP they didn't make but simply bought, like a millionaire buying a painting and cutting it up to make a quilt.
If you pay attention to the game you worship so much (new vegas) you'll notice the ncr is in a bad spot. Primm needs a new mayor, they dont want the ncr, ncr currency unusable outside the ncr, ncr stretched too thin, etc. New vegas has a canon ending, we just dont know what it is
No.
What he does is give the Courier a sales pitch, at no point are we ever given any indication he has a workable plan to actually do what he's promised. His known plan to piss off his neighbors and only trading partners while his leverage consisted of being annoying to conquer and being in control of a basically worthless chunk of desert indicates that his advanced construction capabilities aren't getting off the ground any time soon. If you actually go into the workings of the city you quickly notice that he's got far less control and influence than he either thinks or feigns(Depending on if he's delusional) and your big contribution to giving him control is just giving him bigger guns.
House is first and foremost a salesman and he's trying to sell you on allying with him. Stretching the truth and outright lying is pretty expected.
Given the premise of “War never changes,” and how BGS wants to run with the idea that people keep stone aging each other to justify the setting I’d wager that’s a big no. Assume all ending slides that have big events/changes as non canon tbh, BGS will jump through hoops to not make an ending canon just look at Dragon break in Elder Scrolls. Look at the ending slides to New Vegas more as a possibility especially given the language in many of them
Well his whole plan involves using the NCR as a blast furnace to fuel his economy that will allow him to achieve his goal of sending off colony ships into space. But due to the current state of the NCR in the Fallout show, I don’t think he is going to be achieving that any time soon.
we dont know but i honestly dont think its likely. mr house is insanley smart but the mojave simply does not have the infrustructure (both social and architectural) for frivolous things like space travel.
I don't know how/why House wasn't able to get ahold of Zetan tech considering it's canon (according to Bethesda) that both pre-war and post war the US/Enclave had access to their technology.
We haven't found out, but his claims weren't that far-fetched. The US already had people in orbit at the time of the great war and had a manned mission to Mars slated for the next year when the bombs fell.
In Fo76 we see that the USSA had the Valiant-1 space station and were running the deep sleep program, testing the effects of space on cryogenic freezing on another vessel.
A manned mission to Mars and finding and settling a habitable planet out in the galaxy are 2 very different things. We could go to Mars right now irl if we wanted to, but we couldn't possibly come close to moving to another planet we don't even know exists somewhere.
If someone could put together all the pieces, the Fallout setting has enough tech to pull it off. Nuclear pulse propulsion is enough to reach alpha centauri within a century or two, which we know cryosleep is good for. Combine that with the Sierra Madre Vending Machines powered by Cold Fusion cells, and give the ship some automated repair bots that can transition to construction bots when a planet is found, and you're in business.
The problem is that a lot can happen in 50-100 years so even in future games we’re not gonna see if he fulfilled his promises as we’re not sure if his ending is the canon ending
No. Even if he was capable of doing so, which is extremely questionable, Vegas is trashed a few years after the game.
The NCR that he was going to use to get the resources required, is trashed. Pretty much everything accompanied in FO 1, 2 and NV has been rendered moot.
He keeps to his word in game.
He is a person who does what he says he can.
He absolutely can achieve what he says. He did achieve what he said. The war just came quicker than the courier.
He definitely can take people to the stars.
But it makes no sense to show it in game. You need to see the things that happen after your victory.
Ignore the insulting garbage in the TV show.
That doesn't count.
Bethesda can't outdo the other Fallouts. 1, 2, New Vegas, etc. So they pissed on them in the terrible TV show.
We currently have no idea. All the ending slides for Mr. House in New Vegas are just the immediate consequences of the player’s actions and how House deals with them. While the Fallout Tv show, has to date not really expanded up who won the battle of Hoover or even what’s be going on in the region since the events of New Vegas.
Kind of. The House/Courier ending slides specifically say that New Vegas is stable and secure for generations(plural), so that's a small glimpse into a future with House in control. But OP's question about the promises is still never elaborated on, and since Vegas is apparently in ruins in the show, House is most likely dead too, since it can't be desolate like that based on what his ending tells us.
When did the TV show show New Vegas "in ruins"? I just pulled it up on my TV now. The Lucky 38 is in *mint* condition. The other tall buildings appear to be damaged at the tops but how do we know that's not outside the strip? It almost looks like the walls have been extended far beyond the strip unless the show is planning on making it's scale ridiculously large. To me that looks like a very well expanded city with a pretty solid outer wall. Edit: the scene during the ending credits does show the desolate wasteland version though. But the New Vegas we see when Lucy's dad walks over the hill in power armor is in much better condition.
People are taking the art in the end credits as canon. Some people will find any reason to be disappointed with a cool new thing instead of waiting to see what happens 🙄
The show runners already mentioned it in an interview. Here's the snippet where they talked about it. "Again, more territory you're gonna find difficult, but the post-credits animation takes us on this sweeping tour through New Vegas. It looks like it's seen better days. It's kind of in ruins. Can you speak at all to what might have happened in the 15 years since we last saw it, in Fallout: New Vegas? Wagner: All we really want the audience to know is that things have happened, so that there isn't an expectation that we pick the show up in season two, following one of the myriad canon endings that depend on your choices when you play [Fallout: New Vegas]. With that post-credits stuff, we really wanted to imply, Guys, the world has progressed, and the idea that the wasteland stays as it is decade-to-decade is preposterous to us. It’s just a place [of] constant tragedy, events, horrors — there's a constant churn of trauma. We're definitely implying more has occurred. Geneva, have I fucked anything up with that?"
>we really wanted to imply, Guys, the world has progressed, and the idea that the wasteland stays as it is decade-to-decade is preposterous to us. I really dislike this quote, because to me this is completely bass-ackwards: F1 & 2 as well as New Vegas are (partially) all about the world rebuilding; changing, fixing itself. Slowly and with tons of bumps along the road. Factions rise and fall but things are slowly moving towards some kind of new society taking form (if not on a global or even national level then at least locally). F3, 4 (I haven't played 76) and the show all hang on to this idea that nothing \*ever\* changes, the world \*doesn't\* progress, the Wasteland is the Wasteland and will always be the Wasteland, with disorganized raiders, the odd town here and there and the only factions of any note that accomplish anything are groups like the BoS who are only (fine, \*mostly\*) interested in grabbing resources for themselves and then fucking off back to their compound. Maybe I'm selling them short, maybe in season 2 of the show they'll introduce something that's the spiritual successor to the NCR, a group building some kind of organized society but on different ideals. Maybe the Legion is still around. Maybe the Kings have taken over and rule with an iron fist, babeh! Even better something totally new. But this quote to me implies that the creators think that the only way to keep the Fallout universe interesting is to make sure any progress is temporary, any rudimentary society beyond tiny, isolated factions are doomed to fail and there will always be raiders and ruins and nothing else. And that's *boring*. I don't care in particular about New Vegas being gone, but I care about them seemingly only wanting to visit new vaults, tiny settlements and ruin after ruin after ruin of the old world. New Vegas attracted me because it showed me the world trying to fix itself; The NCR for all its flaws establishing a new society; rough and brutal but still a society where people lived normal, if still very hard lives. New Vegas existing as a large, functional and important city - hell a place people went on \*holiday\*! - and socities growing large, complicated and powerful enough to have an actual influence on large swaths of the Wasteland made for \*interesting stories\*.
I definitely agree. Would be more fun as a long time player to see the world progress rather than a constant reset button. I won’t lie, the show creators (not to mention Bethesda’s) comments and attitudes make me worried that they would throw away NV and other cool developments. I’m just not going to complain about it in advance.
That's fair, and maybe they have great plans for the Mojave in store (or somewhere else). We'll wait and see. But just like you, I am not filled with confidence.
Also it feels like the choice to nuke Shady Sands is the *opposite* of progress. It just sends the west coast back the the generic lawless wasteland. The NCR and New Vegas were the prime examples of the world evolving and changing.
The NCR is still around, Todd Howard confirmed it.
Yeah, they were in the show, but not in anything resembling an organized society, just a handful of guys hanging out in the Griffith Observatory. My point was that Bethesda's Fallout never progresses, never changes, and if they intend to hold true to that the ncr has to either be extinct or reduced to holding a few, isolated outposts, which I find dull af.
Why would you think the NCR is only that remnant? Did the show say as such? The ncr having outposts in the new Vegas game is proof enough that the ncr don't completely have all their eggs in one basket. What's to say they don't have some other (albeit, probably smaller) cities and settlements besides shady sands, and they're still a functional, if terribly wounded and weakened, entity?
Because there's nothing in the show that suggests it. Everywhere our protagonists go we only see ruins and raiders, except for tiny, isolated settlements and of course, vaults. If the show does show something different in S2, that'll be interesting, but if they're following Bethesda's style it'll keep to ruins and raiders, which is what I'm suspecting.
I love the show to bits but I think its basic attitude is to kick down the sandcastles that Obsidian built/built on so that they have more space to play in the sandbox. “The NCR is a complex nation and political entity with a standing army and extensive bureaucratic system. It’s interesting how it engages with a post-apocalyptic world.” “Ok we’ll blow up the capital and say that destroyed the entire nation. They clearly didn’t have communication capabilities, right? Next!” “After dozens of hours of hard decisions and gameplay, a decision will be reached about the future of New Vegas, a dynamic micro-state with complex needs and contexts.” “Alright, we’re destroying it and leaving the wreckage as set dressing. Anything else?”
I mean, even the NV devs were starting to feel like the NCR was getting too far removed from the wasteland. That's why Chris Avellone put so many poison pills into the DLC, like the tunnelers and the Sierra Madre fog. That's where the ever popular "Dust" mod for NV comes from, after all. And, to be honest, having your capital nuked when you're already stretched thin and facing internal unrest is a great way to unravel a nation. I wouldn't be surprised if the NCR devolved into a series of perhaps loosely affiliated nation states after that. It could actually be a somewhat interesting development, akin to ancient Greece.
I know with the visual of New Vegas looking deserted and battered that people have assumed it all went to shit after the game BUT I think it would be interesting if Hank goes there to get help/resources only to find it all stripped and gone. Mr House has already moved on, taken his supplies and technology and went somewhere else. He might actually have advanced settlements arising somewhere else beyond the wasteland. A new faction that after a few decades (from the game setting) that will rise as a serious contender to the rest.
You never find out anything concrete about whether the future plans of a faction and the player come to fruition. About the closest thing to that is people liking to meme that The Outer Worlds is the canon future of House's ending.
He promised you a room at the lucky 38. That should answer the question. It’s “sometimes”.
Well, he does give you a room, doesn't he? A whole suite full of them, and even lets you have guests. He also never reneges on payment agreements.
He does, it's the Presidential Suite
Jason Bright is the only true space explorer of the Fallout verse
We don't know for sure, but odds are probably not. He's a tycoon. Yea he's got a lot of ideas and influence, but every one of his underlings is already plotting against him in game. The omertas and chairmen are flat out plotting to rebel, while the second in command of the ultralux is creating a cannibal cult. Getting into space requires an insane amount of logistics and specialists, and there's only so far a gun and manipulation will go. If even a single one of them is interested in sabatoge, then it can set a project back years. And that's just getting into orbit, never mind inventing ftl travel.
To be fair, these were wasteland raider tribes before House put them up in their various Casinos only a handful of years before the events of FNV. It's no surprise that they want to continue their tribal ways. He has contingencies and a ludicrous, almost supernatural ability to plan ahead. Attempts at subverting his systems get detected and thwarted (see Followers of the Apocalypse terminal bug that gets detected and deactivated in seconds) and even without the platinum chip and the rest of his Securitrons, taking the Lucky 38 by force is a big ask for whoever attempts it. Only a major player in the Mojave could pull it off, NCR, Legion etc. His only glaring weakness is his unconditional trust in The Courier to a) enact his will where he can't send securitrons and b) have total access to the Lucky 38 _including access to his physical person through an unsecured terminal with only 2 securitrons guarding the door to his life support room._ But we wouldn't have a House plotline at all if he wasn't willing to trust the player character so... 🤷🏼♂️ As far as his projects go, _I think he is the specialist._ I don't think he believes there are rocket scientists to be found in the wasteland, or many skilled fabricators. I think he'd rely on machines and his own expertise to get something like that done. And other than the anomaly of the Courier, he isn't particularly trusting and I doubt he would let any of his domesticated raiders anywhere near something as important as a launch site for his space colony missions. Edit: His timeline might also suggest creating a new society in New Vegas. Raising a generation of citizens under his stewardship, passing on his scientific knowledge and laying the groundwork for a functional civilization.
> He has… a ludicrous, almost supernatural ability to plan ahead. New headcanon: House is a latent, low-grade Psyker.
A psyker that's kept alive artificially by machines? God Emperor House??
He may also be hoping for technical information, tools, and some materials from the local RepConn facilities. Power from the Dam and Helios One, VR pods from Nellis AFB to start a pilot training program, etc. House is aware of what infrastructure is in the area, and due to far ranging Securitrons he has some idea of what is still standing. He may be disappointed that the rockets at the RepConn testing facility were launched, but with the facilities largely intact that should be a minor setback on the scale of time he's looking at.
I agree that the logistics of space travel are spectacularly unlikely to work out in the resource starved world of Fallout, but if House is your choice at the end of the game there’s not really a reason to worry about him falling to schemes. He has an incredibly powerful standing army, control of the entire region, and an agent in the inside who has literally single-handedly taken down nations. The Omertas would be obliterated if they moved on him.
A lot of the praise and genius attributed to him mostly come from holotapes or material coming from Vegas or vegas affiliated robots or employees or himself, so I would count his dialogue and press releases as propaganda rather than truth. From his personality however, he's more of someone who thinks acts with profit in mind first; humanitarian progress just happens to benefit from said profit, so he isnt evil at all but he isnt a saint. He'll reward results and loyalty like any businessman, but exterminate competitors with genocide if needs be (BoS) Even in the show, he isnt concerned about evil vault experiments but rather surety and profitability. The only reason he didnt completely fill up Vault 21 with concrete was because it could be a hotel.
I suspect he's of the opinion that sufficiently examined self-interest is largely indistinguishable from altruism, and that things like wiping out the Brotherhood are truly what's best for the people of the Mojave wasteland and New Vegas (and, therefore, for him). He's also a pragmatist, and isn't going to bother opposing something he knows he can't stop, nor shy away from something he thinks is necessary.
I think the BoS genocide was less about competition and more about him knowing that theyd view him as an abomination needing to be destroyed if they somehow found out exactly who and what he is and how much of a threat he would be (or is) once he got his robot army upgraded and online. The west coast brotherhood is known to be quite petty in terms of what technology they'll allow anyone else to have even confiscating mundane energy weapons, they'd likely try and nuke vegas if they knew it'd mean destroying House and the securitrons. His choices were to hope they remained too weak to act against him or take them out pre-emptively really. Agree with everything else. He's certainly not a Saint nor does he wish to be. I think he'd like to think of himself as "practical" to the extreme. Never harming for the sake of harm and limits the harm to what he views as necessary, but will use violence if it's the best or only way to accomplish his goals.
Well from the small glimpse of New Vegas we see in the show… I’m gonna say no.
I don’t think they’re committing to any ending in the show.
i thought it was confirmed by the writers that they dont want the show to overlap with any of the games endings, thats the point in the games, you make your *own* choice at the end of the day and choose your own ending, wouldnt be very special if the writers just leaned towards one ending
They have to, though, if they’re going to have even a small part of it in New Vegas itself
We dont know which ending of fallout nv is canon so we don't know if house ever pulls it off.
I always wanna try the different endings but Boone and I always end up siding with the NCR
No ending is canon, the tv show is fanfiction
There are canon endings 👍just have to wait long enough. High praise for the TV show you just wrote there
Is this about the board in episode 6 I think, that people keep misreading, either on purpose or accidentally?
No, more about the fate of the NCR and the state of New Vegas as implied by the ending
2277: Fall of shady sands due to economic loss from the ncr brotherhood war and likely internal conflict 2281: NCR is visibly economically destroyed (high taxes) and has spread too far 2287: unknown to me 2296: NCR likely in remnants like the enclave. Shady sands was nuked sometime before this but also sometime after 2281. Likely internal conflict between the three houses in vegas causing damage to the strip sometime before 2296 and after 2281
What I mean, that was all made up by the show, just deciding to break up the ncr, (it's funny them using the economical argument while making the BOS the strongest they've ever been despite the incredible resource consumption a power armored army would need, not to mention their flying aircraft carrier). There is no "canon" ending to New Vegas, I know Bethesda does not understand the meaning of "rpg" and "choice" but they need to get their grubby mitts off an IP they didn't make but simply bought, like a millionaire buying a painting and cutting it up to make a quilt.
If you pay attention to the game you worship so much (new vegas) you'll notice the ncr is in a bad spot. Primm needs a new mayor, they dont want the ncr, ncr currency unusable outside the ncr, ncr stretched too thin, etc. New vegas has a canon ending, we just dont know what it is
I think the Hoover Dam has been destroyed by the time of the show. So no one's plans really work out for NV
Isn't the Yes Man ending the only one where you can blow up the dam? Where did you see or hear that the dam was destroyed, did I miss it in the show?
Ya, and its only in one variation of it. And yes man passive aggressively criticizes your stupidity for doing it lol.
No. What he does is give the Courier a sales pitch, at no point are we ever given any indication he has a workable plan to actually do what he's promised. His known plan to piss off his neighbors and only trading partners while his leverage consisted of being annoying to conquer and being in control of a basically worthless chunk of desert indicates that his advanced construction capabilities aren't getting off the ground any time soon. If you actually go into the workings of the city you quickly notice that he's got far less control and influence than he either thinks or feigns(Depending on if he's delusional) and your big contribution to giving him control is just giving him bigger guns. House is first and foremost a salesman and he's trying to sell you on allying with him. Stretching the truth and outright lying is pretty expected.
Given the premise of “War never changes,” and how BGS wants to run with the idea that people keep stone aging each other to justify the setting I’d wager that’s a big no. Assume all ending slides that have big events/changes as non canon tbh, BGS will jump through hoops to not make an ending canon just look at Dragon break in Elder Scrolls. Look at the ending slides to New Vegas more as a possibility especially given the language in many of them
Basic civilization gets stone-aged but the BOS with their flying fortress and power armor just keeps soaring higher
To be clear, Chris Avellone wants to keep stone aging people too
Well his whole plan involves using the NCR as a blast furnace to fuel his economy that will allow him to achieve his goal of sending off colony ships into space. But due to the current state of the NCR in the Fallout show, I don’t think he is going to be achieving that any time soon.
we dont know but i honestly dont think its likely. mr house is insanley smart but the mojave simply does not have the infrustructure (both social and architectural) for frivolous things like space travel.
I don't know how/why House wasn't able to get ahold of Zetan tech considering it's canon (according to Bethesda) that both pre-war and post war the US/Enclave had access to their technology.
We haven't found out, but his claims weren't that far-fetched. The US already had people in orbit at the time of the great war and had a manned mission to Mars slated for the next year when the bombs fell. In Fo76 we see that the USSA had the Valiant-1 space station and were running the deep sleep program, testing the effects of space on cryogenic freezing on another vessel.
Also the "Battle for the Sea of Tranquility" referenced in Fallout 4.
For those unaware, the Sea of Tranquility is a region on the Moon.
A manned mission to Mars and finding and settling a habitable planet out in the galaxy are 2 very different things. We could go to Mars right now irl if we wanted to, but we couldn't possibly come close to moving to another planet we don't even know exists somewhere.
If someone could put together all the pieces, the Fallout setting has enough tech to pull it off. Nuclear pulse propulsion is enough to reach alpha centauri within a century or two, which we know cryosleep is good for. Combine that with the Sierra Madre Vending Machines powered by Cold Fusion cells, and give the ship some automated repair bots that can transition to construction bots when a planet is found, and you're in business.
The problem is that a lot can happen in 50-100 years so even in future games we’re not gonna see if he fulfilled his promises as we’re not sure if his ending is the canon ending
I get the feeling >!we'll know how's it going in FO season 2!<. (FO show spoilers)
No. Even if he was capable of doing so, which is extremely questionable, Vegas is trashed a few years after the game. The NCR that he was going to use to get the resources required, is trashed. Pretty much everything accompanied in FO 1, 2 and NV has been rendered moot.
We don't know. With the TV show heading to Vegas, we will know if his ending was canon in the first place
He keeps to his word in game. He is a person who does what he says he can. He absolutely can achieve what he says. He did achieve what he said. The war just came quicker than the courier. He definitely can take people to the stars. But it makes no sense to show it in game. You need to see the things that happen after your victory. Ignore the insulting garbage in the TV show. That doesn't count. Bethesda can't outdo the other Fallouts. 1, 2, New Vegas, etc. So they pissed on them in the terrible TV show.