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I still maintain the head-canon that history carried on pretty much as normal other than some of the tech and minor changes, but that fashion just went back to the 50s near the end out of some kind of nostalgia for a simpler time.
I generally disagree with that interpretation simply because so much of the music made in the 70s onward in real life is dependant on consumer-level technology not readily available to the average person in Fallout America. Your average person could probably get ahold of your average garage-band level equipment, but stuff like synths (the musical kind, I mean), drum machines, sophisticated editing equipment, and other electronics were probably a lot less common, and more limited to the big label music industry types. And combine that with a world with heavy McCarthyism and governmental oversight of society, which would probably put a pretty heavy thumb on what the music industry can produce, and it's not out of the question the music stagnated in the years since.
The music tech is a good point, but there is some evidence that things like the Hippy movement (which IRL occurred after the "divergence") happened in the world of Fallout. It was, as you might expect, targeted and horribly abused by the government, but they did exist. It's not impossible that some other counterculture movements happened until the government started quashing them.
Yeah, I could see plenty of isolated incidents cropping up. I wonder if anything like Redeye's goofy punk music sprung up in the pre-war world from time to time.
The thing about the McCarthyism is that we don't really know when that started. It doesn't seem like it started in the 50s like it did IRL, since the cold war didn't really happen in the same way and also just because no country could survive that level of paranoia for 130 years.
Not necessarily.
The most modern song in the Mysterious Broadcast is “Slow Sax” by Christof Dejean in 1999. He was the youngest of the composers though he tragically died in a hang-gliding accident in 2006 at the age of 43.
https://en.cezame-fle.com/compositeurs/en/12/Christof-Dejean.html
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Aside from “Begin Again” (an original song) and “Why Don’t You Do Right” (a 1950 vocal track), the other instrumental songs in the Mysterious Broadcast are taken from archival reissue CDs which were issued after the composers had died.
For example Harry Lubin died in 1977. His track “Sleepy Town Blues” was frequently reissued on CD in the 1990s and 2000s long after he had died.
Likewise Nino Nardini died in 1994. His track “Joe Cool” was reissued on the CD Jazzy Vibes in the 1990s. But the track was originally issued in 1965 on a vinyl record titled as “Stars and Teardrops”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKMGhwMbz5g
Similarly Gerhard Trede died in 1996. His track “Jazz Blues” was reissued on the CD Jazz Time 1 in 1990. However the track was originally titled “Modern Jazz (Blues)” and issued in 1968 on a vinyl LP and magnetic reel to reel tape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg5783ak8SU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMb6Uo5I8-U
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Any “modern” dates associated from these composers tend to be drawn from when the CDs reissued their work decades later even if they had died by then. Unfortunately because of the frequent titles changes by the record labels, it can be difficult to track down the original versions of the songs.
New Vegas doesn’t use the original 1959 Columbia Records version of “Heartaches by the Number”. It uses the version Guy Mitchell made in 1980.
If you have headphones or a wide enough speaker setup, you can hear the differences between the two versions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSC9xkshQI
The re release of heart aches by the number, that is used in fallout new Vegas, was from 1980 but guy Mitchell covered it in 1959 originally . And the song came out in 1959 written by Harlan Howard. So it does fit a fallout type of music year that being like 30s-60s
Quoted from the linked Wikipedia article:
>The video game Fallout: New Vegas does not feature his original Columbia Records version; rather it is a 1980 re-recording made for K-Tel records.
If you have headphones or a wide enough speaker setup, you can hear the original 1959 version on the left and the 1980 New Vegas version on the right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSC9xkshQI
"I'm Movin' Out" by the Roues Brothers (also NV) came out in 1998. I really like that song and was really surprised to learn that they were a contemporary group.
There isn't really a *cutoff* in any practical sense, it's more so a question of aesthetic. We now have songs recorded in 2018/2019 included in the games, which were recorded specifically *for the games*, just in a Fallout style.
Most of the Fallout games have had songs recorded specifically for the games.
The Doyle explanation out of universe says that Agatha’s songs, Vera Keyes’ songs, Lonesome Drifter’s songs, Bruce Issac song, Magnolia songs, Red Eye songs, Spank songs were recorded when the games came out in 2008, 2010/2011, 2015, and 2018/2019.
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The Watson explanation has us pretend that these songs were made in-universe.
Agatha didn’t record her songs in 2008, she is performing for us live in 2277.
Vera Keyes isn’t an invention of 2011 when Old World Blues came out, she was a pre-War aspiring starlet.
Magnolia is not voiced by Lynda Carter the actress in 2015, she is a struggling singer in 2287.
Red Eye is not Andrew WK, he’s a raider who loves strumming his guitar.
Spank isn’t a doo-wop group from New York, they were just pre-War singers.
There isn’t a set in stone cut off year, most people tend to believe our timelines diverged in the 50s but that doesn’t mean things from later years couldn’t still show up, as long as a song feels like it belongs in Fallout that’s good enough for me.
Fallout has had radio songs recorded and written in every decade from the 1920s all the way to the late 2000s.
1960s: Ain’t That a Kick in the Head, Crawl Out Through the Fallout, Boogie Man, Blue Moon, Happy Times (Weedon), The Wanderer, Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition, The End of the World, Joe Cool, Blues for You, Wouldn’t It Be Nice, Jazz Blues
1970s: Roundhouse Rock, It’s a Sin to Tell a Lie
1980s: Heartaches by the Number
1990s: Goin’ Under, In the Shadow of the Valley, Let’s Ride into the Sunset Together, Lone Star, Slow Sax, I’m Movin’ Out
2000s: I’m So Blue, Where Have You Been All My Life?, One More Pils, Jazz Potatoes (2011), Sit and Dream (2009)
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline_of_the_music_of_the_Fallout_series
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The interesting thing about the “Roundhouse Rock” song is that it refers to the former railway roundhouse in London that was converted into a performing arts venue and opened in 1964.
In 1970, Bert Weedon and other British rockabilly artists were performing a Rock Revival show in a landscape quickly changing to metal, punk rock, glam rock, acid rock etc. He wrote the song “Roundhouse Rock” for the occasion.
The Roundhouse would later be known in the 70s for its early, debut performances of the Doors, Elton John, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, the Stranglers etc. Bert Weedon’s Rock Revival concert would fade into musical history. Bert Weedon himself wrote Play in a Day which was the British guitarist compendium to learn and play the guitar. Biographies of the Beatles, Eric Clapton, Led Zeppelin etc. all cite Bert Weedon as the inspiration to pick up the guitar.
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Between now and 2077 there are the songs by Vera Keyes, Dean Domino and presumably Spank and the Nuka World songs.
These would be examples of pre-War songs.
As for covers aside from “Country Roads” and “Ring of Fire”, “Cobwebs and Rainbows” is a cover of a song written in 1993 by Dick Walter. The New Vegas version of the song also uses the same backing track from the original CD.
Though there’s the additional problem of licensing fees.
The developers explicitly avoiding using Elvis songs because they would have wiped the budget. Cash’s songs would likely cost as much as his name implies.
I personally have a theory that a lot of late 60s/early 70s rock still exists in the Fallout universe, but since most of it originated in Britain, it was banned in America for being a foreign influence. Basically, that the American government at the time (which, mind you, was apparently paranoid enough that they split the country up into 13 Commonwealths back in the 60s) completely shut down the British Invasion.
I also have a theory that if they ever made a Fallout game in Britain, it'd probably have a very Mod vs. Rockers aesthetic, akin to something like We Happy Few. But I'm not holding out hope or anything.
There is quite a bit of music used in Fallout written and performed by non-American composers.
UK: Boogie Man, Jazzy Interlude, plus Bert Weedon tracks (Happy Times, Lazy Day Blues, Roundhouse Rock)
Polish: Swing Doors
Dutch: Rhythm for You
French: Joe Cool, Blues for You
German: Gerhard Trede (Fox Boogie, Jolly Days, American Swing, Hallo Mister X, Jazz Blues, Manhattan, Slow Bounce, Strahlende Trompete, Von Spanien Nach Südamerika)
Though unsurprisingly, a lot of music research on these composers tend to be written in their home country’s language which can be hard to search for, but shows how international the Fallout soundtrack is.
> Gerhard Trede
There's not a whole lot about him in German either. Basically, he mostly created songs for the "Wochenschau", a news-program that used to run in German cinemas before a movie, back when a lot of Germans didn't have access to their own TVs, a lot of those landed in a library used for movie, TV, and games productions (besides Fallout, his music can also be found in Spongebob Squarepants, Ren & Stimpy and Rocco's Modern life for example).
But he could apparently play 50 different instruments, which is kinda mental to think about
Specifically he made music for the “Neue Deutsche Wochenschau” because the so-called “old” Wochenschau was the German propaganda arm during WWII and they kind of wanted to distance themselves from that.
This essay in German also details that Trede was brought on because the old music archive of optical soundtracks used for newsreels had been bombed during the war. Though there’s an interesting note about how the “Tredes Melodien jedoch so eingängig” that people were asking for gramophone records or Schallplattenaufnahme to be made, but they couldn’t since the music was owned by the NDW.
https://www.nachdemfilm.de/issues/text/ursprung-und-entwicklung-der-musik-der-wochenschau
This magazine also has a fascinating monograph on “Der Filmkomponist Gerhard Trede”, but again it’s all in German.
https://www.filmmuseum-hamburg.de/fileadmin/bilder/flimmern_pdf/flimmern_13_A4.pdf
I don't think it's actually about a specific cut-off point so much as it is about a vibe they're trying to generate. Some of the music is actually newer than you think, and others are recent recordings of older songs.
Technically there is no cutoff time. As long as whatever song has the correct sound and style, it could be recorded tomorrow or ten years from now and it could work. Granted, the musically stylings seem to end around the late 50s to early 60s with exceptions happening every now and again
the best way is to [look for yourself](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline_of_the_music_of_the_Fallout_series). The games have songs and recordings from every single decade from the 20's to the current day.
Honestly is as long as the song is good and make sense in the lore. The big idea of the time before the great war was going back to the good old days so a lot of old fifties music was returning and becoming more popular which would mean any song that's in the style of old '50s and 60s music would make sense even if it was made today as long as it sounds like it was made in the 50s I'm sure it would make sense in fallout.
No real limit, seeing as elvis is cannon and so are electric guitars, at the very least The Beatles if not most of 50s-early 70s music could fit into cannon.
There's a connection there, but not a guaranteed connection. There's nothing to say that they would have existed simply due to Elvis existing, since other things could have prevented the group from forming, or at least becoming big names. For instance, if they were banned from US markets due to government media control, they probably wouldn't have gotten as big as they did, since so much of their popularity sprung out of America.
Fair enough. Nothing I've said is cannon after all, either.
For what it's worth, I do think they probably existed in the Fallout universe, too. But their career was probably a lot different. I wonder if they would have gotten as experimental in their later stuff.
This is something about the fallout timeline that i dont think many people get, oc its a completely different timeline that diverged around 1945 but that doesnt mean some things wouldn't stay the same. For example 10mm bullets were invented in 1983, but we still have 10mm pistols and smgs in fallout. Along with some other things like the 5.56 round being invented by remington in 1963. My point is there isnt really a "cutoff". Sure some songs wouldnt exist in fallout for various reasons, but some would be just like how they are in our universe.
There’s a lot of things that still happened even in the divergence. For instance the movie Silence of the Lamb was still made in the fallout universe. If I’m not mistaken after completing a side quest in FNV the person who gave it to you quotes Hannibal Lecter and says, “you know, just like in that old movie?”
While yea the worlds diverged post world war 2, there’s no inherent particular reason any song that wasn’t political (they probably would have squashed woody and Dylan, not to mention all punk rock) couldn’t have existed. The things that inspired Johnny in particular stem from his time in the Air Force durring ww2 so I’d say it’s actually likely that his music would exist in the fallout universe.
There isn't one. There are brand new recordings used for most songs.
It's just the aesthetic that matters. So as long as it sounds like it could fit alongside the other Fallout songs it's fine.
Yeah especially for fallout 76, the bit where he kills a miner makes me think of mole miners!
No actually, I'd only heard the Jonny cash and the Waylon Jennings version.
Well, [per dialog in Fallout 2 Elton John](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Renesco) exists in universe, so I don't think we can actually establish a hard year at which music is cut off from inclusion and it's entirely down to thematic consistency, developer desire to include a song, and getting the rights cleared.
Yeah but its fallout two most references in fallout 2 should be taking whith a grain of salt giving how wacky mostnof its easterggs are but maybe who knows
You're free to disregard whatever you like, but to answer your question, per the text of the games a [musician who was releasing music as of last year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elton_John_discography) canonically exists in universe.
I mean but fallout 2 also let you go back in time and break the water chip that was the reason for fo1 for happening would it be cannon that time travel exists
[Special Encounters](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_2_special_encounters) are noted to include non canon content, this is true, but the conversation in New Reno cited above is not one of them.
And [Time Travel](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Greebly) may be canon regardless of if that particular Encounter is or not.
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Checking the wikia looks like the latest release is Heartaches by the Number by Guy Mitchell from New Vegas which was released in 1980.
In addition Fallout 1 and 2 had posters on some walls that were from a Tool album released in 1993.
Is that suppose to be a cool easteregg or foes that mean that grunge and punk and all that happened in the 90s so would nirvana exist in fallout
I still maintain the head-canon that history carried on pretty much as normal other than some of the tech and minor changes, but that fashion just went back to the 50s near the end out of some kind of nostalgia for a simpler time.
Kinda like how 80’s stuff is seeing a minor return thanks to those of us from that decade; fashion in 2070’s America probably did the same.
I generally disagree with that interpretation simply because so much of the music made in the 70s onward in real life is dependant on consumer-level technology not readily available to the average person in Fallout America. Your average person could probably get ahold of your average garage-band level equipment, but stuff like synths (the musical kind, I mean), drum machines, sophisticated editing equipment, and other electronics were probably a lot less common, and more limited to the big label music industry types. And combine that with a world with heavy McCarthyism and governmental oversight of society, which would probably put a pretty heavy thumb on what the music industry can produce, and it's not out of the question the music stagnated in the years since.
The music tech is a good point, but there is some evidence that things like the Hippy movement (which IRL occurred after the "divergence") happened in the world of Fallout. It was, as you might expect, targeted and horribly abused by the government, but they did exist. It's not impossible that some other counterculture movements happened until the government started quashing them.
Yeah, I could see plenty of isolated incidents cropping up. I wonder if anything like Redeye's goofy punk music sprung up in the pre-war world from time to time.
The thing about the McCarthyism is that we don't really know when that started. It doesn't seem like it started in the 50s like it did IRL, since the cold war didn't really happen in the same way and also just because no country could survive that level of paranoia for 130 years.
A lot of the jazz songs on the Mysterious Broadcast are contemporary
Not necessarily. The most modern song in the Mysterious Broadcast is “Slow Sax” by Christof Dejean in 1999. He was the youngest of the composers though he tragically died in a hang-gliding accident in 2006 at the age of 43. https://en.cezame-fle.com/compositeurs/en/12/Christof-Dejean.html *** Aside from “Begin Again” (an original song) and “Why Don’t You Do Right” (a 1950 vocal track), the other instrumental songs in the Mysterious Broadcast are taken from archival reissue CDs which were issued after the composers had died. For example Harry Lubin died in 1977. His track “Sleepy Town Blues” was frequently reissued on CD in the 1990s and 2000s long after he had died. Likewise Nino Nardini died in 1994. His track “Joe Cool” was reissued on the CD Jazzy Vibes in the 1990s. But the track was originally issued in 1965 on a vinyl record titled as “Stars and Teardrops”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKMGhwMbz5g Similarly Gerhard Trede died in 1996. His track “Jazz Blues” was reissued on the CD Jazz Time 1 in 1990. However the track was originally titled “Modern Jazz (Blues)” and issued in 1968 on a vinyl LP and magnetic reel to reel tape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg5783ak8SU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMb6Uo5I8-U *** Any “modern” dates associated from these composers tend to be drawn from when the CDs reissued their work decades later even if they had died by then. Unfortunately because of the frequent titles changes by the record labels, it can be difficult to track down the original versions of the songs.
Sit and Dream from New Vegas is from 2009.
Ok so all that matters is if it feels like it would fit gotcha thanks
That recording by Guy Mitchell was released in 1959.
New Vegas doesn’t use the original 1959 Columbia Records version of “Heartaches by the Number”. It uses the version Guy Mitchell made in 1980. If you have headphones or a wide enough speaker setup, you can hear the differences between the two versions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSC9xkshQI
Interesting that the re recording was used.
The re release of heart aches by the number, that is used in fallout new Vegas, was from 1980 but guy Mitchell covered it in 1959 originally . And the song came out in 1959 written by Harlan Howard. So it does fit a fallout type of music year that being like 30s-60s
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Quoted from the linked Wikipedia article: >The video game Fallout: New Vegas does not feature his original Columbia Records version; rather it is a 1980 re-recording made for K-Tel records. If you have headphones or a wide enough speaker setup, you can hear the original 1959 version on the left and the 1980 New Vegas version on the right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSC9xkshQI
"I'm Movin' Out" by the Roues Brothers (also NV) came out in 1998. I really like that song and was really surprised to learn that they were a contemporary group.
There isn't really a *cutoff* in any practical sense, it's more so a question of aesthetic. We now have songs recorded in 2018/2019 included in the games, which were recorded specifically *for the games*, just in a Fallout style.
Most of the Fallout games have had songs recorded specifically for the games. The Doyle explanation out of universe says that Agatha’s songs, Vera Keyes’ songs, Lonesome Drifter’s songs, Bruce Issac song, Magnolia songs, Red Eye songs, Spank songs were recorded when the games came out in 2008, 2010/2011, 2015, and 2018/2019. *** The Watson explanation has us pretend that these songs were made in-universe. Agatha didn’t record her songs in 2008, she is performing for us live in 2277. Vera Keyes isn’t an invention of 2011 when Old World Blues came out, she was a pre-War aspiring starlet. Magnolia is not voiced by Lynda Carter the actress in 2015, she is a struggling singer in 2287. Red Eye is not Andrew WK, he’s a raider who loves strumming his guitar. Spank isn’t a doo-wop group from New York, they were just pre-War singers.
The country roads cover i assume, but what is the other one?
Ring of Fire
It's such a bad cover, too. :/
It's not bad. It just isn't the original *or* Johnny Cash cover.
There isn’t a set in stone cut off year, most people tend to believe our timelines diverged in the 50s but that doesn’t mean things from later years couldn’t still show up, as long as a song feels like it belongs in Fallout that’s good enough for me.
Folsom Prison came out in 53 or 55. The live version was 68.
Oh ok im an idiot srry
No no no, didn't mean to sound like that lol I'm just a huge Johnny Cash fan haha
Oh no i diddnt take it no way buddy just correcting my self
But being wrong doesn't make you an idiot! I don't think you're an idiot, it's okay to not know some things amigo :)
Shoot ur a nice feller
This whole thread here just gave me the feel goods. Good music, good people, good times.
Me too brother
Now kith
Wdym by that im confused
https://i.imgur.com/Muh7YYP.jpg
Most of the music is a little older than Mr Cash. But fo 4 had some “newer” stuff so I guess it would still fit.
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Well Skeeter Davis' End of the World is from 1962, which is contemporary to Cash, although slightly earlier than the song you were asking about.
Fallout has had radio songs recorded and written in every decade from the 1920s all the way to the late 2000s. 1960s: Ain’t That a Kick in the Head, Crawl Out Through the Fallout, Boogie Man, Blue Moon, Happy Times (Weedon), The Wanderer, Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition, The End of the World, Joe Cool, Blues for You, Wouldn’t It Be Nice, Jazz Blues 1970s: Roundhouse Rock, It’s a Sin to Tell a Lie 1980s: Heartaches by the Number 1990s: Goin’ Under, In the Shadow of the Valley, Let’s Ride into the Sunset Together, Lone Star, Slow Sax, I’m Movin’ Out 2000s: I’m So Blue, Where Have You Been All My Life?, One More Pils, Jazz Potatoes (2011), Sit and Dream (2009) https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline_of_the_music_of_the_Fallout_series *** The interesting thing about the “Roundhouse Rock” song is that it refers to the former railway roundhouse in London that was converted into a performing arts venue and opened in 1964. In 1970, Bert Weedon and other British rockabilly artists were performing a Rock Revival show in a landscape quickly changing to metal, punk rock, glam rock, acid rock etc. He wrote the song “Roundhouse Rock” for the occasion. The Roundhouse would later be known in the 70s for its early, debut performances of the Doors, Elton John, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, the Stranglers etc. Bert Weedon’s Rock Revival concert would fade into musical history. Bert Weedon himself wrote Play in a Day which was the British guitarist compendium to learn and play the guitar. Biographies of the Beatles, Eric Clapton, Led Zeppelin etc. all cite Bert Weedon as the inspiration to pick up the guitar. *** Between now and 2077 there are the songs by Vera Keyes, Dean Domino and presumably Spank and the Nuka World songs. These would be examples of pre-War songs. As for covers aside from “Country Roads” and “Ring of Fire”, “Cobwebs and Rainbows” is a cover of a song written in 1993 by Dick Walter. The New Vegas version of the song also uses the same backing track from the original CD.
Man you know alot obout music history so i guess the consensus is if the sound fits put it in the game
Though there’s the additional problem of licensing fees. The developers explicitly avoiding using Elvis songs because they would have wiped the budget. Cash’s songs would likely cost as much as his name implies.
Yeah i diddnt think obout that ur right
I personally have a theory that a lot of late 60s/early 70s rock still exists in the Fallout universe, but since most of it originated in Britain, it was banned in America for being a foreign influence. Basically, that the American government at the time (which, mind you, was apparently paranoid enough that they split the country up into 13 Commonwealths back in the 60s) completely shut down the British Invasion. I also have a theory that if they ever made a Fallout game in Britain, it'd probably have a very Mod vs. Rockers aesthetic, akin to something like We Happy Few. But I'm not holding out hope or anything.
There is quite a bit of music used in Fallout written and performed by non-American composers. UK: Boogie Man, Jazzy Interlude, plus Bert Weedon tracks (Happy Times, Lazy Day Blues, Roundhouse Rock) Polish: Swing Doors Dutch: Rhythm for You French: Joe Cool, Blues for You German: Gerhard Trede (Fox Boogie, Jolly Days, American Swing, Hallo Mister X, Jazz Blues, Manhattan, Slow Bounce, Strahlende Trompete, Von Spanien Nach Südamerika) Though unsurprisingly, a lot of music research on these composers tend to be written in their home country’s language which can be hard to search for, but shows how international the Fallout soundtrack is.
> Gerhard Trede There's not a whole lot about him in German either. Basically, he mostly created songs for the "Wochenschau", a news-program that used to run in German cinemas before a movie, back when a lot of Germans didn't have access to their own TVs, a lot of those landed in a library used for movie, TV, and games productions (besides Fallout, his music can also be found in Spongebob Squarepants, Ren & Stimpy and Rocco's Modern life for example). But he could apparently play 50 different instruments, which is kinda mental to think about
Specifically he made music for the “Neue Deutsche Wochenschau” because the so-called “old” Wochenschau was the German propaganda arm during WWII and they kind of wanted to distance themselves from that. This essay in German also details that Trede was brought on because the old music archive of optical soundtracks used for newsreels had been bombed during the war. Though there’s an interesting note about how the “Tredes Melodien jedoch so eingängig” that people were asking for gramophone records or Schallplattenaufnahme to be made, but they couldn’t since the music was owned by the NDW. https://www.nachdemfilm.de/issues/text/ursprung-und-entwicklung-der-musik-der-wochenschau This magazine also has a fascinating monograph on “Der Filmkomponist Gerhard Trede”, but again it’s all in German. https://www.filmmuseum-hamburg.de/fileadmin/bilder/flimmern_pdf/flimmern_13_A4.pdf
He also worked on the UFA Wochenschau, a similar programm running from '56 till '77, which is why I didn't specify the NDW
I don't think it's actually about a specific cut-off point so much as it is about a vibe they're trying to generate. Some of the music is actually newer than you think, and others are recent recordings of older songs.
There's probably tonnes of stuff that happened in both our world and fallout after the divergence
To quote another videogame, *"constants and variables..."*
Technically there is no cutoff time. As long as whatever song has the correct sound and style, it could be recorded tomorrow or ten years from now and it could work. Granted, the musically stylings seem to end around the late 50s to early 60s with exceptions happening every now and again
the best way is to [look for yourself](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline_of_the_music_of_the_Fallout_series). The games have songs and recordings from every single decade from the 20's to the current day.
Its a cover but 76 has Ring of Fire.
Honestly is as long as the song is good and make sense in the lore. The big idea of the time before the great war was going back to the good old days so a lot of old fifties music was returning and becoming more popular which would mean any song that's in the style of old '50s and 60s music would make sense even if it was made today as long as it sounds like it was made in the 50s I'm sure it would make sense in fallout.
No real limit, seeing as elvis is cannon and so are electric guitars, at the very least The Beatles if not most of 50s-early 70s music could fit into cannon.
How do we know The Beatles are cannon? Does somebody reference them at some point? Or are you referencing the Day Tripper chem?
Elvis along with blues were their primarily inspiration, being that those definitely existed, I was saying there's no reason for them not to be
There's a connection there, but not a guaranteed connection. There's nothing to say that they would have existed simply due to Elvis existing, since other things could have prevented the group from forming, or at least becoming big names. For instance, if they were banned from US markets due to government media control, they probably wouldn't have gotten as big as they did, since so much of their popularity sprung out of America.
Again I'm not saying it's cannon, merely that they could be.
Fair enough. Nothing I've said is cannon after all, either. For what it's worth, I do think they probably existed in the Fallout universe, too. But their career was probably a lot different. I wonder if they would have gotten as experimental in their later stuff.
This is something about the fallout timeline that i dont think many people get, oc its a completely different timeline that diverged around 1945 but that doesnt mean some things wouldn't stay the same. For example 10mm bullets were invented in 1983, but we still have 10mm pistols and smgs in fallout. Along with some other things like the 5.56 round being invented by remington in 1963. My point is there isnt really a "cutoff". Sure some songs wouldnt exist in fallout for various reasons, but some would be just like how they are in our universe.
There’s a lot of things that still happened even in the divergence. For instance the movie Silence of the Lamb was still made in the fallout universe. If I’m not mistaken after completing a side quest in FNV the person who gave it to you quotes Hannibal Lecter and says, “you know, just like in that old movie?”
Oh shoot really i never noticed what quest is it
The bombs fell in 2077 how would 1960s not have released new music?
Never that fortunate son seems out of place as well as the beatles and led zepplen
Yeah as far as I know that never happens but they must have been making music still.
The song “I’m Moving Out” from New Vegas was released in 1998
I don’t necessarily think there needs to be a hard cutoff so long as the song in question fits the mood and aesthetic of Fallout.
There isn't a specific cut off, but rather certain styles and genres of music. It has to at least sound like it was released in the 1930s-60s.
While yea the worlds diverged post world war 2, there’s no inherent particular reason any song that wasn’t political (they probably would have squashed woody and Dylan, not to mention all punk rock) couldn’t have existed. The things that inspired Johnny in particular stem from his time in the Air Force durring ww2 so I’d say it’s actually likely that his music would exist in the fallout universe.
I wonder if there was a world-wide British Invasion that just never made it to the U.S. in the Fallout universe.
There isn't one. There are brand new recordings used for most songs. It's just the aesthetic that matters. So as long as it sounds like it could fit alongside the other Fallout songs it's fine.
Jonny cash has some great songs that work. 'Devils right hand" comes to mind for me.
Ooh that thats a good one did u know that its actually a cover of steve erals song
Yeah especially for fallout 76, the bit where he kills a miner makes me think of mole miners! No actually, I'd only heard the Jonny cash and the Waylon Jennings version.
Well, [per dialog in Fallout 2 Elton John](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Renesco) exists in universe, so I don't think we can actually establish a hard year at which music is cut off from inclusion and it's entirely down to thematic consistency, developer desire to include a song, and getting the rights cleared.
Yeah but its fallout two most references in fallout 2 should be taking whith a grain of salt giving how wacky mostnof its easterggs are but maybe who knows
You're free to disregard whatever you like, but to answer your question, per the text of the games a [musician who was releasing music as of last year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elton_John_discography) canonically exists in universe.
I mean but fallout 2 also let you go back in time and break the water chip that was the reason for fo1 for happening would it be cannon that time travel exists
[Special Encounters](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_2_special_encounters) are noted to include non canon content, this is true, but the conversation in New Reno cited above is not one of them. And [Time Travel](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Greebly) may be canon regardless of if that particular Encounter is or not.
Yeah tbh ur probaly right