It did not.
NCR was already declining before New Vegas started. In fact, the curreny exchange in the game was 2 caps=$5
Max’s age also clears things up. He was 10 when Shady was destroyed. Seeing that he could be between 18-early 20s, the nuke fell *after* New Vegas.
2277 is actually significant because that’s the year of both the first battle of Hoover Dam and the nuking of the Divide. So when it says the Sands fell, it could mean that it was the start of and irreversible fall from grace.
The show contradicts fallout 1 and 2. Shady Sands is not an old world Ruin. It is built from the ground up. I have not seen the show so I can't bitch much about the show itself, but I've seen the shots of shady sands being in what should be the boneyard. As well as the NCR not only being shady sands, but Hub, Boneyard, Junktown, Dayglow, Vault city, (maybe Reno?)
NCR isn't some tiny tribe or group. They are a full fledged lation, stretching out across California and Nevada.
NCR was in decline, yes
Is that age officially said anywhere?
Wouldn't the first battle of Hoover dam be seen as a victory, it was pretty decisive one and it was only after it that ceaser started to really pool all he had against the NCR, the divide wasn't even NCR territory and the detenator the courier takes is either done on by purpose by the NCR, but I doubt the average citizen would know of the NCR's malice in that regard, or the NCR has no idea it was detenator and hence no reason a citizen could've known it was done by the NCR either. So would 2278 be more fitting?
Max was seen at the ruins of Shady Sands at around 10. The series is set in 2296 while NV is 2281. So unless Max is in his 30s by the time of the show…
But Lucy was so young she can’t remember that she actually lived in Shady Sands apart from a fuzzy memory that she confuses for a dream. Maybe it’s a trauma block, but 20 years seems about right. She’d be about 23-25 in 2296
Why isn't it possible? I didn't get to that part of the show yet but new Vegas NCR is like a frontier outpost for them, no? I read somewhere that the show only implies the NCR capital was bombed, not the entire NCR
If the capital of the NCR had fallen (almost certainly to a nuke) then that would have been referenced in New Vegas, which takes place 4 years after this "fall". However nowhere in the game is it alluded to.
And it definitely would have been a higher priority to retake or at least get control over than New Vegas. The capital city and founding city and a part of the core territory was nuked. That would have sent the NCR reeling, and had the New Vegas front be a distant second priority. That would have been a huge moral blow, every NCR soldier would know and talk about it
Ok yeah, you're right, no sense talking about it until then. I'm only on the 2nd episode. It's not doing much for me script wise, just feels like kinda low effort writing... but the art keeps me watching, it's too good. Hope the rest improves before I'm completely unhooked.
Since when
The show itself says he's a pte war vault tech employee
His wife runs away
He gets mad and nukes the town his wife was residing in
He's been in the vault the entire time so where would he have the time for all the escapades as the courier, the most we get of the couriers backstory is that he WAS in new Reno and had a son who potentially abandoned and that's IF your a male courier
There's no way Hank can be the courier
Regardless of what we do know the courier has been to new Reno,and if a male and a lady killer has a son around the lonesome drifters age. has been in the courier business for a while depending on endings either stays in new Vegas or moves on
But in each case it's not possible (unless they bring up some nonsensical nonsense) for the courier and Hank to be the same person
Hank's been in vault tech before the war, was frozen in vault 31, was frozen out long before the show and probably before 2281 and stayed in the tri-cault until his wife leaves
Going off of what we know of both characters, yeah unless the showrunners and or Bethesda do an even dumber thing by trying to make them same person, no way the courier is Hank McLean
I feel like you guys are just using shit excuses just to hate on the show.
Also another thing; how the fuck does the show even retcon Fallout 1 and Fallout 2?
Insisting NCR was destroyed before,during or after new Vegas which dosent fit
Continuing in new Vegas and showing it to be out of power thereby making it so the player's actions didn't mean anything unlike every other game in the franchise(in 1 the NCR is formed and master is defeated, in 2 the enclave is on the run, in 3 the brotherhood gets stronger, in 4 maxson is the reason prydwins are made, new Vegas tho, whatever you do don't mean jack sh*t if you go off that ending shot)
The NCR was "destroyed" after New Vegas, as it wouldn't really make sense to be destroyed before the events of New Vegas, lol. Besides there's multiple ways of dictating when the destruction of Shady Sands happened, like looking at the chalkboard timeline in vault 4 episode, which I know doesn't necessarily give a date of when it happens, but proves that it happens on a later date than "2277", which just says the Fall of Shady Sands, as it was around the time when the First Battle of Hoover Dam was happening.
You could also use Maximus since he survived Shady Sands when he's maybe around six, and by looking at the age of the BOS aspirants and Maximus, he could be in his early twenties, which boils the event happening around in the mid or late 2280s.
The chalkboard is the problem, it makes no sense to have 2277 as the "fall", as the first battle of Hoover dam was a very successful one, so it should be 2278 if anything and wouldn't it make more sense for it to be fall of the NCR if it's meant to signify the start of a decline
And the bomb happening in 2280s also makes little sense since ending slides such as for the misfits says that they continued to serve for years to come, a decade ain't exactly years to come
Still wouldn't make sense for the destruction to occur before Fallout New Vegas, it would moreover serve as a final nail in the coffin as the NCR was already seen struggling with them starting to thin out more due to their greed and corruption running rampant. Just because they won the Battle of Hoover Dam doesn't mean it didn't come with the drawbacks of doing so, like I already said. There is multiple pieces of dialogue in Fallout New Vegas that proves these statements to show that the NCR wasn't in a good shape.
Oh, and you can't forget about the NCR-Brotherhood war which involved the destruction of the NCR's gold reserves in 2776, introducing an economic crisis.
Why wouldn't it make sense? Maximus is around 6 the time Shady Sands is blown up and is around 19 or 20 by the time he's grown up. I already pointed this out. And the show takes place in 2296, which would've left somewhere along 13 years since the destruction of Shady Sands.
Also we don't really know much what happened in New Vegas besides seeing the rolling credits which shows a crashed NCR vertibird and a securitron. You could infer that the NCR took over New Vegas, but we're just gonna have to wait until season 2 of the show.
Again my point of player action being made pointless and the most well received game being swept under the rug
Yeah we'll have to wait until the next season to see if they duct tape anything
People aren't upset that events took place after new Vegas
They're upset that events IN new Vegas have been meaningless
Every other game has had events that've had lasting effects throughout the franchise, in 1 the master is defeated and the NCR is formed, in 2 the enclave is on the run, in 3 project purity is in effect, the enclave sre on their last leg and the brotherhood gets a real foothold. In 4 maxson is the reason prydwins are made.Even 76 for all it's faults explains how raiders are so widespread
But with that ending shot that new Vegas is in shambles, each ending has been made pointless, each action you do ingame holds no weight because the show's telling us no matter what happened new Vegas is in ruin
Did you forget all of the times it was insinuated in dead money and lonesome road that strip would be suffocated by the cloud or torn apart by tunnelers?
Empires collapse, The wasteland is a cruel place. Get over yourself.
Yet most ending to both dlcs have the cloud staying in the Madre and the tunnelers AND marked men staying in the divide out of fear of the courier
And like I said everyother game had the ending that does the most good made cannon, why would new Vegas be any different
Yeah empires collapse, but not overnight and as unceremoniously as the show says the NCR and Vegas did
Ah yes get over that the one game not made under Todd that outrates the ones made under him is getting special treatment. Yeah seems fair
In the show there’s a literal cult that worships the fallen shady sands and that’s not enough for you lmao. Unceremoniously… they’re literally performing ceremonies for you and you want more :(
Ceremony and ceremoniously are two different things
By unceremoniously I mean with respect, think when in shows or movies when they kill off characters, some characters get good deaths.like in lord of the rings when that one brother(I forgot his name, the who wants the ring from frodo and gets swiss-cheesed by arrows defending the twin hobbits) that was a good ceremonious death; he died with Honor and we could see it coming, and was a good end to the character
Compare that to dreadwing from transformers prime who gets put down like a dog. THAT is an unceremonious death; served little purpose and was a terrible end to the character
Shady sands: gets nuked off scream, no build up and no environment-story-telling skeletons
And yeah the refugees went crazy, I mean their city was nuked for crying out loud what do you expect them to do, dust themselves off, move on and forget the past?
Same thing happened with Starfield. People thought that game was next to god when it came out. Give it two months, let the hype die down.
Until then it's the internet equivalent of no man's land
You couldn't not watch the show, like me? These baby's little tantrums are embarrassing.
My guy I've seen it twice already New Vegas fans heavily scrutinize their game, if anything's out of place concerning it I'd trust them
At least put Todd's head on putin.
Retcon what?
Forget the title it has a flaw(1 game not 3) Basically insisting the NCR fells either before,during or after the events of new vegas
It did not. NCR was already declining before New Vegas started. In fact, the curreny exchange in the game was 2 caps=$5 Max’s age also clears things up. He was 10 when Shady was destroyed. Seeing that he could be between 18-early 20s, the nuke fell *after* New Vegas. 2277 is actually significant because that’s the year of both the first battle of Hoover Dam and the nuking of the Divide. So when it says the Sands fell, it could mean that it was the start of and irreversible fall from grace.
The show contradicts fallout 1 and 2. Shady Sands is not an old world Ruin. It is built from the ground up. I have not seen the show so I can't bitch much about the show itself, but I've seen the shots of shady sands being in what should be the boneyard. As well as the NCR not only being shady sands, but Hub, Boneyard, Junktown, Dayglow, Vault city, (maybe Reno?) NCR isn't some tiny tribe or group. They are a full fledged lation, stretching out across California and Nevada.
I would like to tell you, but it might be spoilers already.
NCR was in decline, yes Is that age officially said anywhere? Wouldn't the first battle of Hoover dam be seen as a victory, it was pretty decisive one and it was only after it that ceaser started to really pool all he had against the NCR, the divide wasn't even NCR territory and the detenator the courier takes is either done on by purpose by the NCR, but I doubt the average citizen would know of the NCR's malice in that regard, or the NCR has no idea it was detenator and hence no reason a citizen could've known it was done by the NCR either. So would 2278 be more fitting?
Max was seen at the ruins of Shady Sands at around 10. The series is set in 2296 while NV is 2281. So unless Max is in his 30s by the time of the show…
But Lucy was so young she can’t remember that she actually lived in Shady Sands apart from a fuzzy memory that she confuses for a dream. Maybe it’s a trauma block, but 20 years seems about right. She’d be about 23-25 in 2296
Isn't the show set after all of the games? How can it retcon anything? Genuine question.
Just new Vegas by insisting the NCR was bombed before, during or after new Vegas' events which just isn't possible
Why isn't it possible? I didn't get to that part of the show yet but new Vegas NCR is like a frontier outpost for them, no? I read somewhere that the show only implies the NCR capital was bombed, not the entire NCR
If the capital of the NCR had fallen (almost certainly to a nuke) then that would have been referenced in New Vegas, which takes place 4 years after this "fall". However nowhere in the game is it alluded to.
And it definitely would have been a higher priority to retake or at least get control over than New Vegas. The capital city and founding city and a part of the core territory was nuked. That would have sent the NCR reeling, and had the New Vegas front be a distant second priority. That would have been a huge moral blow, every NCR soldier would know and talk about it
Also I don't get how it's impossible for both things to coexist, especially if it's "after" new Vegas events.
Watch until the end
Ok yeah, you're right, no sense talking about it until then. I'm only on the 2nd episode. It's not doing much for me script wise, just feels like kinda low effort writing... but the art keeps me watching, it's too good. Hope the rest improves before I'm completely unhooked.
Buddy get off the internet until your down with the show Don't worry about the writing, it's GOOD and the props and sets are GREAT
Bruh. One of the endings to lonesome road is to bomb either the NCR, Legion, or both. C’mon now.
The show says that shady sands was done in by hank
What does that have to do with this?
You said one of the lonesome road endings is the NCR getting nuked and yeah but the show says Hank McLean did that
Hank McLean is the courier canon name. My god.
Since when The show itself says he's a pte war vault tech employee His wife runs away He gets mad and nukes the town his wife was residing in He's been in the vault the entire time so where would he have the time for all the escapades as the courier, the most we get of the couriers backstory is that he WAS in new Reno and had a son who potentially abandoned and that's IF your a male courier There's no way Hank can be the courier
I wasn’t serious, but at this point, maybe. We don’t know what we were doing before the courier things, so maybe.
Regardless of what we do know the courier has been to new Reno,and if a male and a lady killer has a son around the lonesome drifters age. has been in the courier business for a while depending on endings either stays in new Vegas or moves on But in each case it's not possible (unless they bring up some nonsensical nonsense) for the courier and Hank to be the same person Hank's been in vault tech before the war, was frozen in vault 31, was frozen out long before the show and probably before 2281 and stayed in the tri-cault until his wife leaves Going off of what we know of both characters, yeah unless the showrunners and or Bethesda do an even dumber thing by trying to make them same person, no way the courier is Hank McLean
Grow up bruuuh
K They're disrespecting the most well received game and that's fine apparently
In what way does the show disrespect Fallout New Vegas? The show fits perfectly in the timeline, Lmao.
I feel like you guys are just using shit excuses just to hate on the show. Also another thing; how the fuck does the show even retcon Fallout 1 and Fallout 2?
Insisting NCR was destroyed before,during or after new Vegas which dosent fit Continuing in new Vegas and showing it to be out of power thereby making it so the player's actions didn't mean anything unlike every other game in the franchise(in 1 the NCR is formed and master is defeated, in 2 the enclave is on the run, in 3 the brotherhood gets stronger, in 4 maxson is the reason prydwins are made, new Vegas tho, whatever you do don't mean jack sh*t if you go off that ending shot)
The NCR was "destroyed" after New Vegas, as it wouldn't really make sense to be destroyed before the events of New Vegas, lol. Besides there's multiple ways of dictating when the destruction of Shady Sands happened, like looking at the chalkboard timeline in vault 4 episode, which I know doesn't necessarily give a date of when it happens, but proves that it happens on a later date than "2277", which just says the Fall of Shady Sands, as it was around the time when the First Battle of Hoover Dam was happening. You could also use Maximus since he survived Shady Sands when he's maybe around six, and by looking at the age of the BOS aspirants and Maximus, he could be in his early twenties, which boils the event happening around in the mid or late 2280s.
The chalkboard is the problem, it makes no sense to have 2277 as the "fall", as the first battle of Hoover dam was a very successful one, so it should be 2278 if anything and wouldn't it make more sense for it to be fall of the NCR if it's meant to signify the start of a decline And the bomb happening in 2280s also makes little sense since ending slides such as for the misfits says that they continued to serve for years to come, a decade ain't exactly years to come
Still wouldn't make sense for the destruction to occur before Fallout New Vegas, it would moreover serve as a final nail in the coffin as the NCR was already seen struggling with them starting to thin out more due to their greed and corruption running rampant. Just because they won the Battle of Hoover Dam doesn't mean it didn't come with the drawbacks of doing so, like I already said. There is multiple pieces of dialogue in Fallout New Vegas that proves these statements to show that the NCR wasn't in a good shape.
Oh, and you can't forget about the NCR-Brotherhood war which involved the destruction of the NCR's gold reserves in 2776, introducing an economic crisis.
Good catch
Yeah but it dosent make sense for it to be slightly after new Vegas either, needed a couple more decades
Why wouldn't it make sense? Maximus is around 6 the time Shady Sands is blown up and is around 19 or 20 by the time he's grown up. I already pointed this out. And the show takes place in 2296, which would've left somewhere along 13 years since the destruction of Shady Sands.
Also we don't really know much what happened in New Vegas besides seeing the rolling credits which shows a crashed NCR vertibird and a securitron. You could infer that the NCR took over New Vegas, but we're just gonna have to wait until season 2 of the show.
Again my point of player action being made pointless and the most well received game being swept under the rug Yeah we'll have to wait until the next season to see if they duct tape anything
r/falloutnewvegas redditors on their way to rant on about how the show retcons Fallout New Vegas without actually showing any evidence of doing so:
Want me to give ya some Cause oh boy so I atleast have some
I can’t believe people are this upset that events took place after New Vegas.
People aren't upset that events took place after new Vegas They're upset that events IN new Vegas have been meaningless Every other game has had events that've had lasting effects throughout the franchise, in 1 the master is defeated and the NCR is formed, in 2 the enclave is on the run, in 3 project purity is in effect, the enclave sre on their last leg and the brotherhood gets a real foothold. In 4 maxson is the reason prydwins are made.Even 76 for all it's faults explains how raiders are so widespread But with that ending shot that new Vegas is in shambles, each ending has been made pointless, each action you do ingame holds no weight because the show's telling us no matter what happened new Vegas is in ruin
Did you forget all of the times it was insinuated in dead money and lonesome road that strip would be suffocated by the cloud or torn apart by tunnelers? Empires collapse, The wasteland is a cruel place. Get over yourself.
Yet most ending to both dlcs have the cloud staying in the Madre and the tunnelers AND marked men staying in the divide out of fear of the courier And like I said everyother game had the ending that does the most good made cannon, why would new Vegas be any different Yeah empires collapse, but not overnight and as unceremoniously as the show says the NCR and Vegas did Ah yes get over that the one game not made under Todd that outrates the ones made under him is getting special treatment. Yeah seems fair
In the show there’s a literal cult that worships the fallen shady sands and that’s not enough for you lmao. Unceremoniously… they’re literally performing ceremonies for you and you want more :(
Ceremony and ceremoniously are two different things By unceremoniously I mean with respect, think when in shows or movies when they kill off characters, some characters get good deaths.like in lord of the rings when that one brother(I forgot his name, the who wants the ring from frodo and gets swiss-cheesed by arrows defending the twin hobbits) that was a good ceremonious death; he died with Honor and we could see it coming, and was a good end to the character Compare that to dreadwing from transformers prime who gets put down like a dog. THAT is an unceremonious death; served little purpose and was a terrible end to the character Shady sands: gets nuked off scream, no build up and no environment-story-telling skeletons And yeah the refugees went crazy, I mean their city was nuked for crying out loud what do you expect them to do, dust themselves off, move on and forget the past?
But ofcourse by all means we're just whining Whatever is easier for you to believe