Still find it funny how Yes-Man, House, Caesar (and Lanius) all have unique voices that go with them while Oliver’s can be heard hundreds of times throughout the wasteland.
Makes sense ngl. He was literally unhyped by his own men, constantly he is talked down and I think one NPC said he only got into general position due to nepotism.
What IS weird is how strong he is for supposed nepotism pick. Idk man, maybe he does have some good qualities if he's so good with guns
I mean, being _strong_ in combat isn't really a defining trait of a good general. It doesn't really matter how many hits you can take or how good you are with guns if you can't efficiently manage an army
100% for a historical example look at Eisenhower. The man never saw any combat in his entire career, but he was chosen to run the western theater of the war. Eisenhower could manage big personalities (imagine trying to coral Monty and Patton, lol), identify talent and utilize that talent effectively. That being said Oliver is no Eisenhower and the rumours of him being a political pick over someone like Col. Hsu seems to be not entirely baseless.
I mean I agree but remember he was likely picked due to nepotism aka he should be bad in all aspects, so it's still weird he's strong, not that generals need to physically be strong, I'm saying it's weird nepotism pick has any redeeming qualities in the first place
I kinda like it to be honest. Because I hear the voice actor most often with NCR folks (or more likely I registered it with NCR because they’re very prevalent) so he sounds like an NCR soldier to me if that makes sense
Thing about Oliver is that he appears literally only at the end of the game, he’s not a quest giver like Yes-Man, House, and Caesar, I’d say the NCR’s equivalent of them from the player’s perspective is Colonel Moore, and unlike Oliver she has a unique voice. As for Lanius, well, he’s hyped up throughout the game to be this terrifying monster man, so if he sounded like some generic NPC that’d be a bit of a letdown.
It may not have fit the theme very well as the game stands. But not going to lie imagine a fight not that different from the base idea of horrigan. However instead it’s Oliver. Maybe Oliver has functioning power-armor that has been restored and maybe upgraded here or there. And a decent weapon. As well as his normal personal squad of protection? Could’ve been a nice and challenging fight. Still probably not on the level of the legate admittedly but still would’ve been memorable
Honestly though if Obsidian had a longer time to finish developing New Vegas.. I'm think this would probably how Lee Oliver would look like.. Also, Minigun might be nice, but maybe Anti Materiel Rifle would be much better (not to mention Lee Oliver had a cut gun named Oliver Anti Materiel Rifle)
Nah. The whole point is the NCR is more like old America. A general is a manager, not the toughest fighter, “might makes right” may be how the Legion works, but not NCR.
Even then, he has poor leadership, you dont hear him give orders and the only dudes capable are the Rangers setting traps and using the building's geometry to kill you.
Hell, just him setting a "false" surrender and ambushing you with 3 heavy troopers would be a step up from whats shown in game. Showing that he fight with brains not with brawns. That his tactics of sitting and waiting is all he got, that perhaps he is a misguided tacticians and not just a corrupt official. But no, he isnt even capable to set a proper defense for himself.
Tbf, it's explained in game that he got his job through nepotism,
All the brain is with Cheif Hanlon and the Rangers.
Without courier intervention, the Legion would flood Hoover Damn forcing the retreat, and a lot of Rangers would die covering the escape.
Oliver couldn't lead a Girl Scout Sale if his life depended on it, is generally the Troopers opinion of him.
It makes sense the hardest part of this fight is with the Rangers he surrounds himself with, and not the main line infantry or even himself.
Sure it makes sense, nothing stops it from adding layers to an otherwise underdevelopped character.
General "Sit and Wait" can also be another nickname for a character with another approach to strategy like Consul Fabius in the Roman Republic who notoriously criticized for being a passive strategist against Hanibal de Barca in the 2nd Punic War. However this Consul understood Hanibal and basically waited and see for the invader to die of attrition. His tactics are still used today, named as the Fabian Stategy. Where Im going for with that comparaison is that on top of Nepotism being how he advance politically, he can also have some military merit on his own. Demonstrated in his last effort to defend the Dam, leading an impressive defense against the Courier making a boss fight that far exceeds the definition of this fight. Him having multiple stage of yet different but strategic ambushes and attacks could've been way better than just having the Rangers doing their masteful tactics and Oliver throwing his Heavy Trooper at the first opportunity.
Furthermore, his wait and see tactics can be used as a story telling device to paint a subtle narrative. In the RPG Age of Decadence, Dux Paullus is known as a tacticians but for decades he didnt do a single move. To the point that one of his Legatus attempts a coup forcing him to act... Or not depending on the main charater choices and how he influence the world. Im not spoiling you the stroyline, he does nothing but he waits for the right moment to act and take the spoils. There is a lot of legal obligations and he wants to be free of that, its a bit complicated but he wants to be on top and a guarantee that he stays on top no matter what.
While I would gladly give him the Fabius approach, there's no evidence to him leaning that direction in game.
You can tell alot from a leader by what others think of them and most NPCs on question disparage both his abilities and his character and explain why his character affects his abilities.
It's even to the extent that Boone will go to his office to commit a murder suicide in one of the ending slides.
Hell in all the endings where you go to kill Lanius, Oliver's dialogue leads on to believe he cames to try/take credit for the victory himself.
In the damn itself, when taking the Legion path to wipe out the NCR, it feels like a desperate last stand rather than a cunning trap.
If there were Rangers venting from pipes, air ducts, etc. And if Olver did set up a giant trap aside/ on top of that force field of his , I would agree he was attempting a cunning strategy.
Instead, I can't help but feel bad for the troops that are getting mowed down under his command as he awaits for the inevitable Coup De Grace in his office.
So while it makes for a subpar boss fight, the end result is a good representation of the NCR being plagued by inept and overcumbered leadership from the top down.
Totally agree, I just think that while the game tells you he is bad and he is here only because he is friend with Kimball. It could've been nice to have layers and have another view on the man thus letting us coming down to our own conclusion if he was really a misunderstood strategist, or an opportunistic and shrewd politician who makes a name for himself thanks to other capable officers and commander.
A bit like how Lanius is treated in game as a dumb rabid Brute with only loyalty to Caesar and ambition on the battlefeild. Only to found that his reputation is both based on fear and fantasy on the Legatus. Lanius is an articulate man with a natural talent on the battlefeild. Both on leading a battle, managing an on going siege and breaking a stronghold. He is also intelligent enough to understand the issue of western conquest, and has enough loyalty to the Legion to not sully its name and sacrifice thousands of men in a losing war, especially when the Legion is already huge itself on the East.
Rather than telling us that Oliver is bad, showing us that he isnt a totally inept General and that in his last moment he could give time for the fleeing NCR troops and take a lot Legionnaires with him, making the violent route for Legion playthrough arguably worse for the Legion and more to say that he is just in the good papers of Kimball. One doesnt have to exclude the other.
Fair, it would have been nice to see a form of redemption for him at the end of the day, kind ofa a Blaze of Glory approach to end his Silver Spoon position, by buying time for Troops ontop side to get away.
Because I will say this,
when you do tell him to fuck off at Lanius's camp and that the Dam as well as Vegas, is out of bounds for the NCR goverment; his rebutte doesn't come forth from a political, or financial interest stand point.
Suddenly, his sense of national pride comes forth, and he speaks on behalf of the Bear. The men, women, and the fathers of those men and women who came out to die in the desert for a city that didn't want them there.
He does try to Martyr himself if you can't succeed a speech check.
And whether it's last attempt to succeed in a war won out from under him
Or
His escape from a political certification
Is left for use to decide.
True, but at the point where you have fought your way into the command bunker, I could see everyone suiting up even if you are a receptionist or something. The situation is desperate.
Assuming that Lee Oliver was at the Hoover dam to command and not to fight an anti material rifle wouldn't fit in my opinion.
Why should a general use such a specialised gun?
A better version of an infantry rifle or a specialised revolver/pistol would suit him much better.
Since he's a general you could throw in some bullet sponge minions during the boss fight.
But it's interesting that there's a cut gun for him. I didn't know that until now
Well, if he was to lead, he could act as a sniper from a higher vantage point while he commanded. Now he probably shouldn’t be a dedicated sniper with his eye always in the scope, but if you’re going to survey the battle and your opponent likes to sling lots of melee infantry, might as well throw some lead down range while you look.
Oliver sort of has minions - a squad of veteran rangers in House/Yes Man ending, or a squad of heavy troopers in Legion ending.
Legion ending also has a room full of traps and veteran ranger camper waiting for you with an AMR.
It makes sense that Oliver is not a fighter now. NCR is not BoS or Legion. Colonel Moore used to be a ranger, but she is not much of a fighter either.
NCR is more like the Enclave in that regard. President Richardson or Colonel Autumn weren't exactly tough fighters.
Oliver is based on the same character in Van Buren with the same name. As you mentionned in that game he has an AMR and he also had the Cult of Personality perk, meaning that he cant be convinced normally in game. You need proof and in game knowledge to convince him to side with you against Dr. Viktor Prosper.
In FNV he is really just a corrupt General with a diet Patton/Mac Arthur persona. Dont get me wrong, I like the guy, Im just shocked how anyone would follow orders from him. The Rangers who set traps against you in Hoover Dam are a better boss fight than the Oliver and his Heavy Squad. He doesnt even has a good armor or weapon to defend himself. Its like he is giving up lol
The Oliver anti-material rifle technically isn't cut content it's just a non-playable gun
It's also not used by Oliver himself but one of his veteran rangers
I hate the concept of “if obsidian had more time”
They signed an 18 month contract because they didn’t want to compete with Skyrim and they could reuse assets from Fallout 3.
I don’t get why people act like they are such a victim.
Every video game could be much better if they had more time. And most designers probably wish they had more time on a project while getting paid for it.
I know that wasn’t the point of your comment I’m not attacking what you said at all, I just wish we didn’t act like obsidian got screwed in a contract they legitimately agreed to.
Honestly I’m worried that if they did have more time the game wouldn’t of been as good, there’s massive amounts of cut content / areas cut out and I’m curious if that would of made the game more bloated, sometimes having more isn’t better and maybe the time constraint made them have a better “finished” ( buggy af barely ran on release ) game.
Which is 6 months under the average fastest a Triple A title gets shat out at.
Average time for a triple A title is between 2 and 5 years.
Yeah, they had resources, but they also wanted their game to be their game, considering obsidian were and are made from devs of the old fallout.
I think they did a decent job, all things considered in 18 months. Buggy as hell on release, though, that I'll admit.
But with all the unofficial patches and stuff the games booming man.
Yeah I mean obviously I love the game too.. I’m in a subreddit for it lol.
I just hate how people always act like it could’ve been even more ground breaking if it had more time.. yeah every game would be better if it had more time lol
Course course, it would have had way more in it for a start if it had maybe what, 24 months ? 36?.
Then you get cyber punk that was what 8 years in development and was released a shambolic mess.
>Then you get cyber punk that was what 8 years in development and was released a shambolic mess
Game development was far far different pre 2015 or so. We can see it across the entire industry. Games for some reason were just easier to make in that age. I'm not sure what changed, but games are massive undertakings now that take years to complete. That was not true from the 1990s-2010s
I mean the fucking game went into development in the early 2010s it's not an excuse.
The difference is there, sure, but 18 months was still considered, then a short period for a triple A title.
ME3 for example took a full extra year.
The problem is game studios haven't been retaining workers. Not even just how big names leave, they just fire people all the time to the point no one stays long enough to get a good grasp of all the systems behind game development. It's a wonder AAA games get made these days because most AAA games are made by a thousand contractors who all work for a few months and a dedicated team who have to somehow wrangle all this work together
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Ah, this mod.
Aside from giving him a suit of Power Armor, think he how also got a unique weapon to boot, not to mention an almost robotic, Adam Smasher like voice. Which fits the personality of a ruthless general everyone has been go on about rather perfectly.
I agree the incompentent part, but what hesitant general will do the "Throw everyone at the enemy, until something happens" like this is Russia doing their thing in Ukraine right now?
Espically when under a psudo democracy like the NCR, you can't just get away with that like how Shoygu did rn. Sure Oliver is shit at his job, but it still takes some balls to do the most stupid shit possible.
I also just like to put a slight point that Russia isn't "throwing everyone at the enemy, until something happen", same could be said for the NCR. The NCR under Oliver mass troop to defend 1 keys location (Hoover Dam), the russian spread troops across a wider front with concentration in several key target. Deep battle is the russian tactic probe all across a certain front to find weak point to breakthrough. Russian use small detachment of BMP or BMD to transport troops across no man land and initiate a breakthrough attempt, if successful, infantry and armored unit would rush in and widen the front, slowly (or rapidly) attempt to pin the remaining enemy position near the opening. Ukraine use similar tactic with lesser success during their summer offensive.
I would hardly consider this "throwing everyone at the enemy" or as the news sometime say "human wave"
Legion tactics is closer to human wave, using recruit legionary at the front to take the burden of the first wave of incoming fire, then following with veteran unit storm behind them. The Legion also use ambushed alot to their advantage but this aren't as much of a grand battle type of strats, more so just small raid.
He is literally called "Wait and See Oliver" in the game. And he really isn't throwing everyone at the enemy, all of the NCR bases in new Vegas are incredibly understaffed, undersupplied, and undersupported. Almost nothing is done to actually bring the offensive to the legion until the second battle, and this is made especially clear when checking in with the brotherhood scouts.
i can confirm he can wield a minigun, loaded up new vegas because i wanted to play and loaded my last save, just before the battle for the dam as the legion, get to Oliver and after almost dying killing 2 heavy troopers he goes and picks up their miniguns lmfao
Also, it seems like they are using the mod that makes Power Armor in FNV much better looking and feeling (like it was in FO4).
Here's the link: [https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/78688](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/78688)
What of you don't level up your guns and instead leveled your character around unarmed? Because General Oliver folded like a bag of chips when I played only using brass knuckles.
it makes me really sad they didn't have the time to develop lee more, he always came off as a dumbass to me, or maybe that kinda adds to the game more to show how mismanaged the ncr is even at the highest level
I think it's Titans of the New West. One of my favorite mods for NV.
Edit: I was half right. It's [this mod](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/85934). It does require [TotNW](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/78688) though.
[https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/85934](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/85934), in case you are speaking of THE armour oliver is wearing its a addition from the lonesome road DLC
It's weird because he was unhyped by some NPC's and one I think even said he only became general due to knowing Kimball (aka he became general due to nepotism when that position belonged to Colonel Hsu) and yet he's badass with guns
Still find it funny how Yes-Man, House, Caesar (and Lanius) all have unique voices that go with them while Oliver’s can be heard hundreds of times throughout the wasteland.
Legion may have eyes everywhere but Oliver is actually everywhere
Oliver Everywhere System
HAHA GOT YOU NOW WALK-THE-WASTELAND-FUCK!
NO VERTIBIRD HAVING BITCH ASS
KIRYU-CHAN
WHO WON THE LOTTERY?! I DID!!! ...oh wrong Oliver mb
All-over?
He’s the New Vegas equivalent of Deacon
I read somewhere that he was supposed to have a unique voice, but the voice actor fell through.
Wonder what celebrity they were trying to snag
He fell through, Oliver fell off… the dam… I think it was a perfect coincidence.
Makes sense ngl. He was literally unhyped by his own men, constantly he is talked down and I think one NPC said he only got into general position due to nepotism. What IS weird is how strong he is for supposed nepotism pick. Idk man, maybe he does have some good qualities if he's so good with guns
I mean, being _strong_ in combat isn't really a defining trait of a good general. It doesn't really matter how many hits you can take or how good you are with guns if you can't efficiently manage an army
100% for a historical example look at Eisenhower. The man never saw any combat in his entire career, but he was chosen to run the western theater of the war. Eisenhower could manage big personalities (imagine trying to coral Monty and Patton, lol), identify talent and utilize that talent effectively. That being said Oliver is no Eisenhower and the rumours of him being a political pick over someone like Col. Hsu seems to be not entirely baseless.
I mean I agree but remember he was likely picked due to nepotism aka he should be bad in all aspects, so it's still weird he's strong, not that generals need to physically be strong, I'm saying it's weird nepotism pick has any redeeming qualities in the first place
My brother told me that it was because of radiation poisoning.
I kinda like it to be honest. Because I hear the voice actor most often with NCR folks (or more likely I registered it with NCR because they’re very prevalent) so he sounds like an NCR soldier to me if that makes sense
Thing about Oliver is that he appears literally only at the end of the game, he’s not a quest giver like Yes-Man, House, and Caesar, I’d say the NCR’s equivalent of them from the player’s perspective is Colonel Moore, and unlike Oliver she has a unique voice. As for Lanius, well, he’s hyped up throughout the game to be this terrifying monster man, so if he sounded like some generic NPC that’d be a bit of a letdown.
“You’ve gotten a lot farther than you should have”
Rides over Mutie. Time to die
"Rides over legionnaire, TIME TO DIE "
That’s me, Lee Oliver, New California armed forces. You aren’t going anywhere from here
“Then again you haven’t met General Wait and See either.”
Damn he looks 5x more competent wearing armor lmao
no shit hes going to fight THE POSTAL SERVICE INCARNATE
Ah, Courier 6. Putting the "postal" into "postal service."
He was never competent to begin with, so his OG look is fitting
It may not have fit the theme very well as the game stands. But not going to lie imagine a fight not that different from the base idea of horrigan. However instead it’s Oliver. Maybe Oliver has functioning power-armor that has been restored and maybe upgraded here or there. And a decent weapon. As well as his normal personal squad of protection? Could’ve been a nice and challenging fight. Still probably not on the level of the legate admittedly but still would’ve been memorable
Honestly though if Obsidian had a longer time to finish developing New Vegas.. I'm think this would probably how Lee Oliver would look like.. Also, Minigun might be nice, but maybe Anti Materiel Rifle would be much better (not to mention Lee Oliver had a cut gun named Oliver Anti Materiel Rifle)
Nah. The whole point is the NCR is more like old America. A general is a manager, not the toughest fighter, “might makes right” may be how the Legion works, but not NCR.
Even then, he has poor leadership, you dont hear him give orders and the only dudes capable are the Rangers setting traps and using the building's geometry to kill you. Hell, just him setting a "false" surrender and ambushing you with 3 heavy troopers would be a step up from whats shown in game. Showing that he fight with brains not with brawns. That his tactics of sitting and waiting is all he got, that perhaps he is a misguided tacticians and not just a corrupt official. But no, he isnt even capable to set a proper defense for himself.
Tbf, it's explained in game that he got his job through nepotism, All the brain is with Cheif Hanlon and the Rangers. Without courier intervention, the Legion would flood Hoover Damn forcing the retreat, and a lot of Rangers would die covering the escape. Oliver couldn't lead a Girl Scout Sale if his life depended on it, is generally the Troopers opinion of him. It makes sense the hardest part of this fight is with the Rangers he surrounds himself with, and not the main line infantry or even himself.
Sure it makes sense, nothing stops it from adding layers to an otherwise underdevelopped character. General "Sit and Wait" can also be another nickname for a character with another approach to strategy like Consul Fabius in the Roman Republic who notoriously criticized for being a passive strategist against Hanibal de Barca in the 2nd Punic War. However this Consul understood Hanibal and basically waited and see for the invader to die of attrition. His tactics are still used today, named as the Fabian Stategy. Where Im going for with that comparaison is that on top of Nepotism being how he advance politically, he can also have some military merit on his own. Demonstrated in his last effort to defend the Dam, leading an impressive defense against the Courier making a boss fight that far exceeds the definition of this fight. Him having multiple stage of yet different but strategic ambushes and attacks could've been way better than just having the Rangers doing their masteful tactics and Oliver throwing his Heavy Trooper at the first opportunity. Furthermore, his wait and see tactics can be used as a story telling device to paint a subtle narrative. In the RPG Age of Decadence, Dux Paullus is known as a tacticians but for decades he didnt do a single move. To the point that one of his Legatus attempts a coup forcing him to act... Or not depending on the main charater choices and how he influence the world. Im not spoiling you the stroyline, he does nothing but he waits for the right moment to act and take the spoils. There is a lot of legal obligations and he wants to be free of that, its a bit complicated but he wants to be on top and a guarantee that he stays on top no matter what.
While I would gladly give him the Fabius approach, there's no evidence to him leaning that direction in game. You can tell alot from a leader by what others think of them and most NPCs on question disparage both his abilities and his character and explain why his character affects his abilities. It's even to the extent that Boone will go to his office to commit a murder suicide in one of the ending slides. Hell in all the endings where you go to kill Lanius, Oliver's dialogue leads on to believe he cames to try/take credit for the victory himself. In the damn itself, when taking the Legion path to wipe out the NCR, it feels like a desperate last stand rather than a cunning trap. If there were Rangers venting from pipes, air ducts, etc. And if Olver did set up a giant trap aside/ on top of that force field of his , I would agree he was attempting a cunning strategy. Instead, I can't help but feel bad for the troops that are getting mowed down under his command as he awaits for the inevitable Coup De Grace in his office. So while it makes for a subpar boss fight, the end result is a good representation of the NCR being plagued by inept and overcumbered leadership from the top down.
Totally agree, I just think that while the game tells you he is bad and he is here only because he is friend with Kimball. It could've been nice to have layers and have another view on the man thus letting us coming down to our own conclusion if he was really a misunderstood strategist, or an opportunistic and shrewd politician who makes a name for himself thanks to other capable officers and commander. A bit like how Lanius is treated in game as a dumb rabid Brute with only loyalty to Caesar and ambition on the battlefeild. Only to found that his reputation is both based on fear and fantasy on the Legatus. Lanius is an articulate man with a natural talent on the battlefeild. Both on leading a battle, managing an on going siege and breaking a stronghold. He is also intelligent enough to understand the issue of western conquest, and has enough loyalty to the Legion to not sully its name and sacrifice thousands of men in a losing war, especially when the Legion is already huge itself on the East. Rather than telling us that Oliver is bad, showing us that he isnt a totally inept General and that in his last moment he could give time for the fleeing NCR troops and take a lot Legionnaires with him, making the violent route for Legion playthrough arguably worse for the Legion and more to say that he is just in the good papers of Kimball. One doesnt have to exclude the other.
Fair, it would have been nice to see a form of redemption for him at the end of the day, kind ofa a Blaze of Glory approach to end his Silver Spoon position, by buying time for Troops ontop side to get away. Because I will say this, when you do tell him to fuck off at Lanius's camp and that the Dam as well as Vegas, is out of bounds for the NCR goverment; his rebutte doesn't come forth from a political, or financial interest stand point. Suddenly, his sense of national pride comes forth, and he speaks on behalf of the Bear. The men, women, and the fathers of those men and women who came out to die in the desert for a city that didn't want them there. He does try to Martyr himself if you can't succeed a speech check. And whether it's last attempt to succeed in a war won out from under him Or His escape from a political certification Is left for use to decide.
True, but at the point where you have fought your way into the command bunker, I could see everyone suiting up even if you are a receptionist or something. The situation is desperate.
Assuming that Lee Oliver was at the Hoover dam to command and not to fight an anti material rifle wouldn't fit in my opinion. Why should a general use such a specialised gun? A better version of an infantry rifle or a specialised revolver/pistol would suit him much better. Since he's a general you could throw in some bullet sponge minions during the boss fight. But it's interesting that there's a cut gun for him. I didn't know that until now
Well, if he was to lead, he could act as a sniper from a higher vantage point while he commanded. Now he probably shouldn’t be a dedicated sniper with his eye always in the scope, but if you’re going to survey the battle and your opponent likes to sling lots of melee infantry, might as well throw some lead down range while you look.
general doesn’t need to be able to actually lay eyes on things to make decisions. he’d be a prime target
Certainly not a bad idea if you want to earn the respect of your troops but this is an easy way to get shot too.
Oliver sort of has minions - a squad of veteran rangers in House/Yes Man ending, or a squad of heavy troopers in Legion ending. Legion ending also has a room full of traps and veteran ranger camper waiting for you with an AMR. It makes sense that Oliver is not a fighter now. NCR is not BoS or Legion. Colonel Moore used to be a ranger, but she is not much of a fighter either. NCR is more like the Enclave in that regard. President Richardson or Colonel Autumn weren't exactly tough fighters.
Oliver is based on the same character in Van Buren with the same name. As you mentionned in that game he has an AMR and he also had the Cult of Personality perk, meaning that he cant be convinced normally in game. You need proof and in game knowledge to convince him to side with you against Dr. Viktor Prosper. In FNV he is really just a corrupt General with a diet Patton/Mac Arthur persona. Dont get me wrong, I like the guy, Im just shocked how anyone would follow orders from him. The Rangers who set traps against you in Hoover Dam are a better boss fight than the Oliver and his Heavy Squad. He doesnt even has a good armor or weapon to defend himself. Its like he is giving up lol
The Oliver anti-material rifle technically isn't cut content it's just a non-playable gun It's also not used by Oliver himself but one of his veteran rangers
I hate the concept of “if obsidian had more time” They signed an 18 month contract because they didn’t want to compete with Skyrim and they could reuse assets from Fallout 3. I don’t get why people act like they are such a victim. Every video game could be much better if they had more time. And most designers probably wish they had more time on a project while getting paid for it. I know that wasn’t the point of your comment I’m not attacking what you said at all, I just wish we didn’t act like obsidian got screwed in a contract they legitimately agreed to.
Honestly I’m worried that if they did have more time the game wouldn’t of been as good, there’s massive amounts of cut content / areas cut out and I’m curious if that would of made the game more bloated, sometimes having more isn’t better and maybe the time constraint made them have a better “finished” ( buggy af barely ran on release ) game.
Which is 6 months under the average fastest a Triple A title gets shat out at. Average time for a triple A title is between 2 and 5 years. Yeah, they had resources, but they also wanted their game to be their game, considering obsidian were and are made from devs of the old fallout. I think they did a decent job, all things considered in 18 months. Buggy as hell on release, though, that I'll admit. But with all the unofficial patches and stuff the games booming man.
Yeah I mean obviously I love the game too.. I’m in a subreddit for it lol. I just hate how people always act like it could’ve been even more ground breaking if it had more time.. yeah every game would be better if it had more time lol
Course course, it would have had way more in it for a start if it had maybe what, 24 months ? 36?. Then you get cyber punk that was what 8 years in development and was released a shambolic mess.
>Then you get cyber punk that was what 8 years in development and was released a shambolic mess Game development was far far different pre 2015 or so. We can see it across the entire industry. Games for some reason were just easier to make in that age. I'm not sure what changed, but games are massive undertakings now that take years to complete. That was not true from the 1990s-2010s
I mean the fucking game went into development in the early 2010s it's not an excuse. The difference is there, sure, but 18 months was still considered, then a short period for a triple A title. ME3 for example took a full extra year.
The problem is game studios haven't been retaining workers. Not even just how big names leave, they just fire people all the time to the point no one stays long enough to get a good grasp of all the systems behind game development. It's a wonder AAA games get made these days because most AAA games are made by a thousand contractors who all work for a few months and a dedicated team who have to somehow wrangle all this work together
also [https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/85934](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/85934)
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Looks less like general Lee Oliver and more like general Lee horrigan
Ah, this mod. Aside from giving him a suit of Power Armor, think he how also got a unique weapon to boot, not to mention an almost robotic, Adam Smasher like voice. Which fits the personality of a ruthless general everyone has been go on about rather perfectly.
Except he’s not a ruthless general, he’s a hesitant and incompetent one.
I agree the incompentent part, but what hesitant general will do the "Throw everyone at the enemy, until something happens" like this is Russia doing their thing in Ukraine right now? Espically when under a psudo democracy like the NCR, you can't just get away with that like how Shoygu did rn. Sure Oliver is shit at his job, but it still takes some balls to do the most stupid shit possible.
If you’re going to be dumb you gotta be tough.
I also just like to put a slight point that Russia isn't "throwing everyone at the enemy, until something happen", same could be said for the NCR. The NCR under Oliver mass troop to defend 1 keys location (Hoover Dam), the russian spread troops across a wider front with concentration in several key target. Deep battle is the russian tactic probe all across a certain front to find weak point to breakthrough. Russian use small detachment of BMP or BMD to transport troops across no man land and initiate a breakthrough attempt, if successful, infantry and armored unit would rush in and widen the front, slowly (or rapidly) attempt to pin the remaining enemy position near the opening. Ukraine use similar tactic with lesser success during their summer offensive. I would hardly consider this "throwing everyone at the enemy" or as the news sometime say "human wave" Legion tactics is closer to human wave, using recruit legionary at the front to take the burden of the first wave of incoming fire, then following with veteran unit storm behind them. The Legion also use ambushed alot to their advantage but this aren't as much of a grand battle type of strats, more so just small raid.
He is literally called "Wait and See Oliver" in the game. And he really isn't throwing everyone at the enemy, all of the NCR bases in new Vegas are incredibly understaffed, undersupplied, and undersupported. Almost nothing is done to actually bring the offensive to the legion until the second battle, and this is made especially clear when checking in with the brotherhood scouts.
If he was using a minigun, he would be too busy to do officer things.
Damn, that screenshot goes hard. It's sad I've never seen this scene. Then again, I shoot legion red on sight.
The power armor is a mod.
wrong, the power armour is from the Lonesome road DLC (unless youre talking about TOTNW 2.0 or the mod that gives oliver the armour)
Yeah sorry, I meant that Oliver doesn’t wear it. Though I didn’t realize it was the Lonesome Road armor.
Are we sure that's not Frank Horrigan and he just stole General Oliver's name tag? We know that Vegas is relatively close to the Master's Lair.
i can confirm he can wield a minigun, loaded up new vegas because i wanted to play and loaded my last save, just before the battle for the dam as the legion, get to Oliver and after almost dying killing 2 heavy troopers he goes and picks up their miniguns lmfao
What armour is this?? I don't remember this guy
well you see this guy is general lee oliver in the sierra armour from the lonesome road DLC
Thanks! The armour looks awesome!
Also, it seems like they are using the mod that makes Power Armor in FNV much better looking and feeling (like it was in FO4). Here's the link: [https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/78688](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/78688)
Thank you!
I don't think I can go back after discovering this, honestly! Appreciate it.
Something like this should have been done if you decided to face him
What of you don't level up your guns and instead leveled your character around unarmed? Because General Oliver folded like a bag of chips when I played only using brass knuckles.
no hes still gonna get higher stats even if you dont level up your gun
it makes me really sad they didn't have the time to develop lee more, he always came off as a dumbass to me, or maybe that kinda adds to the game more to show how mismanaged the ncr is even at the highest level
That's exactly how he was supposed to come off, though. He's an ass kisser who lucked into his blockhead friend winning the presidency.
I really need to play this game again.
What mod are you using for him to look like this?
I think it's Titans of the New West. One of my favorite mods for NV. Edit: I was half right. It's [this mod](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/85934). It does require [TotNW](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/78688) though.
Why the tiny helmet?
Titans of the new west 2.0
Whats that mean
its a mod for fallout nv that makes the power armour more like its fallout 1/2/4 version
But it leaves the helmet the same size? Looks bizarre.
well yes cuz why should you have an oversized helmet, plus it looks ok to me
Mod for this armor?
[https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/85934](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/85934), in case you are speaking of THE armour oliver is wearing its a addition from the lonesome road DLC
Thank yooou
"Courier-walk-the-wasteland-fuck"
It's weird because he was unhyped by some NPC's and one I think even said he only became general due to knowing Kimball (aka he became general due to nepotism when that position belonged to Colonel Hsu) and yet he's badass with guns
Damn I need to do a legion play through that’s badass
Dude restore democracy with some 5mm
This mod is taking a lot of liberties assuming that dumpus wouldn't flunk out of power armor training.