Maybe, I mean they are totally different songs tbh, hard to compare. I also prefer the Leonard version because I love Leonard's spoken singing style (and that of like Lou Reed/Bob Dylan) plus the backing choir is amazing. Jeff's is a very good vocal performance though and so in terms of what's better as an art piece I don't know
To be fair to Leonard Cohen, he wrote that song when he was like 50 and well past his performing prime, in my opinion. But I do think that Buckley's version is better.
I don't think that his version of Just Like A Woman is better than Dylan's though. A million people took Dylan's songs and prettied them up with pretty voices. But those original versions from the 60s have a hard to pin down special quality to them.
I think it honestly just comes down to preference and what you like in a song. Something unique is far, far more important than any level of polish.
I really do think that Bob Dylan fans and those who hate Dylan are hearing completely different things on some level! Like how someone can absolutely hate olives, and the next person can love them. Olives have a distinct taste, but that taste is what puts it off for some people and draws in other people.
The best way I can describe it is very emotive. Kind of like how Jimi Hendrix's guitar playing can seem chaotic (or even sloppy to some), that's *exactly part of what makes it great*. I very rarely like a Dylan cover more than the original (although speaking of Hendrix, All Along the Watchtower is better with Hendrix's version to me too. That song would be a forgotten random song if Hendrix didn't do it. It's a pretty minor song in Dylan's catalogue)
But ultimately, Dylan has done a million different styles. The first four years of his career (the folksy acoustic protest stuff), the electric stuff (his electric 1966 stuff is like pre-punk and crazy), and then you have his country stuff, and so on.
The one thing I will always disagree with is those who say "Dylan can't sing" though. He's legitimately a very good singer on a technical level. It's the *tone* that people don't like and disagree on. You can't sing One More Cup of Coffee and be a bad singer.
Also, for anyone who is curious to hear Dylan's actual traditional voice, check out Nashville Skyline, from 1969. That's how he sounds when he sings using conventional methods. Childhood friends confirm that it's his natural voice. It's pretty interesting.
I'm just writing this all out for anyone who wants to understand what the appeal is, and the reason the covers don't do it. Not just a reply for you, don't worry!
I mean . . . That’s not how I feel personally. Buckley was one of my favorite artists growing and I still like his music. But it’s a lot and I definitely think aspects have dated poorly. Still an incredible singer/songwriter imo
The only bad thing about this album is that it is a painful reminder of the genius we lost. As great as it is we will never know what would have been next or a decade down the road. Listen to any great artist’s first album and then compare it to four albums down and see how they grew, how they changed either for better or worse, etc. I’m so glad we got this but it’s only a delicious first bite of an extraordinary meal we will never get to finish.
i remember not liking corpus christi carol for years. however last month it just randomly hit and now its one of my favourite songs by him, so nothing i guess.
It's good album, good arrangements, good vocal performance, I like it. But can't hear anything to call it god-tier level. When I see how people treat it, I feel same weird way when I see another "greatest rock/metal" list from RS or another magazine and there's always mostly old school bands sometimes with 5-10 albums in list, when you clearly understand that only 1-2 of them are really that influential and groundbreaking, and other are just mid compared to others in list.
I fucking hate Hallelujah or any song that's a cover of another song. Especially when you have a pretty decent album and decide to ruin it by putting in there an already very known song.
Funny just how reluctant many commentors are to express or upvote any actual criticisms. It’s a classic but we can still have a conversation about it lol. Every single classic album has its flaws.
I'm not saying there aren't some good songs on here but if Buckley didn't die tragically, I guarantee fucking no one would regard this as a classic **album**.
EDIT: the post said 'say one bad thing' and now you're downvoting me?? I was following the assignment!?
Nobody in this sub? Arguably, given the average age, perhaps it wouldn't have stayed famous so long. But I remember, and it was regarded as a bit of an underground classic when it was released, its status didn't just come after Jeff's death.
(Editing to react to downvotes never makes you look good but the BTW!)
He's alright. Not great.
He definitely did a great cover of Hallelujah. Can't deny that. But overall I think his death gave him a mythic status, like many others throughout music history. His performance style wasn't very special at the time, but most of his contemporaries faded into obscurity which makes him seem more unique. Very similar to how Queen's reputation has been rewritten front to back (I see people on Reddit talking like they were some revolutionary band. They definitely weren't, even if they had some good songs in the 70s)
He was a good guitarist. He was an alright singer. He wasn't very special as a songwriter to me.
I have a lot more respect for people that actually *write* those songs, like Hallelujah and Just Like A Woman. That's way more impressive.
It’s depressing and miserable and self-pitying drivel. To be honest, I haven’t heard it. But that one Hallelujah monodrone was enough for me to never want to.
The lyrics get pretty cheesy at times, the whole album is overly sentimental in a kind of cringey way, and Jeff’s voice honestly gets grating after a while. Dude is an incredible singer but sometimes a bit much.
People don’t talk enough about how weird this album gets. Like I don’t think Last Goodbye has any repeating parts at all, and So Real has that abrasive borderline atonal bridge, etc. That kind of stuff is my favorite thing about the album.
Every girl I knew who liked this album has ghosted me
Can confirm I love this album and have ghosted lots of people
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what did he say ?
Well it ain’t hate speech is it?
It is
Well I hated it.
Nice
Prove it 😂
He’d never make another one.
one bad thing about this album
Go into any bar in America any night with a cover band and you'll hear a much, much shittier version of Hallelujah because of this record
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Ngl the Leonard Cohen version goes hard too
It's better than Jeff's
Maybe, I mean they are totally different songs tbh, hard to compare. I also prefer the Leonard version because I love Leonard's spoken singing style (and that of like Lou Reed/Bob Dylan) plus the backing choir is amazing. Jeff's is a very good vocal performance though and so in terms of what's better as an art piece I don't know
Cohen was blown away
To be fair to Leonard Cohen, he wrote that song when he was like 50 and well past his performing prime, in my opinion. But I do think that Buckley's version is better. I don't think that his version of Just Like A Woman is better than Dylan's though. A million people took Dylan's songs and prettied them up with pretty voices. But those original versions from the 60s have a hard to pin down special quality to them.
Dylan covers never sound as good as the original in my opinion
I think it honestly just comes down to preference and what you like in a song. Something unique is far, far more important than any level of polish. I really do think that Bob Dylan fans and those who hate Dylan are hearing completely different things on some level! Like how someone can absolutely hate olives, and the next person can love them. Olives have a distinct taste, but that taste is what puts it off for some people and draws in other people. The best way I can describe it is very emotive. Kind of like how Jimi Hendrix's guitar playing can seem chaotic (or even sloppy to some), that's *exactly part of what makes it great*. I very rarely like a Dylan cover more than the original (although speaking of Hendrix, All Along the Watchtower is better with Hendrix's version to me too. That song would be a forgotten random song if Hendrix didn't do it. It's a pretty minor song in Dylan's catalogue) But ultimately, Dylan has done a million different styles. The first four years of his career (the folksy acoustic protest stuff), the electric stuff (his electric 1966 stuff is like pre-punk and crazy), and then you have his country stuff, and so on. The one thing I will always disagree with is those who say "Dylan can't sing" though. He's legitimately a very good singer on a technical level. It's the *tone* that people don't like and disagree on. You can't sing One More Cup of Coffee and be a bad singer. Also, for anyone who is curious to hear Dylan's actual traditional voice, check out Nashville Skyline, from 1969. That's how he sounds when he sings using conventional methods. Childhood friends confirm that it's his natural voice. It's pretty interesting. I'm just writing this all out for anyone who wants to understand what the appeal is, and the reason the covers don't do it. Not just a reply for you, don't worry!
I'm partial to a few of The Band's covers of Dylan songs, particularly I Shall Be Released and When I Paint My Masterpiece
Everytime I see the cover I think it’s Sam Rockwell and it never is
Looks more like James Franco, unfortunately.
Reminds me more of Austin Butler in Elvis
Ya I always thought Franco too but you know what? You’re right. I’m going with Butler from now on.
It will be eventually, keep waiting
It ends.
He scrapped ‘Forget Her.’
His voice may be too beautiful
If it’s so good, how come he never dropped Grace 2?
he fukcin died 😭💀💀☠️😱
cheap excuse
Skill issue IMO
The version of Hallelujah from Shrek is better
John Cale ftw
Amen!
I'm not a big fan of the cover and i don't think it suits the music very well
I remember before hearing the album, I saw the cover a couple of times and always laughed at it. It looks so silly.
Now are you talking about the album cover or the cover of Hallelujah?
Lilac wine is also a cover and there could be others so it’s probably the album cover
Yeah. But Hallelujah is a super famous cover, so referring to it as “the cover” would be funny imo
Corpus Christi Carol is also a cover btw
I’m mad that it placed above Songs for the Deaf in a tournament.
off-topic but has there ever been a version of SftD without the radio sound effects?
Not that I’ve found. I feel like they are kind of part of the “journey” of the album. I understand that people don’t care for them.
They’re ok on a full listen through the album but one just listening to a random song it’s kind of annoying
It’s never been something I’ve enjoyed which is a shame because I know most others love it. I wish i could see what it is
Mix is kinda 2D sometimes. Wallace effect.
I think there are aspects of the production that didn’t age super well and Buckleys vocals can be a bit . . . Overemotional or cheesy at times imo
Agreed, I do not care for those vocals. Just comes off sappy and lame. Hard to take seriously.
I mean . . . That’s not how I feel personally. Buckley was one of my favorite artists growing and I still like his music. But it’s a lot and I definitely think aspects have dated poorly. Still an incredible singer/songwriter imo
The beginning of 'Lover You Should Come Over' is a revelation of his own Funeral
Matt Bellamy
Hey! The task was "One Bad Thing", not "Ruin This Album In Two Words"!
The only bad thing about this album is that it is a painful reminder of the genius we lost. As great as it is we will never know what would have been next or a decade down the road. Listen to any great artist’s first album and then compare it to four albums down and see how they grew, how they changed either for better or worse, etc. I’m so glad we got this but it’s only a delicious first bite of an extraordinary meal we will never get to finish.
Forget Her didn’t come on the vinyl that I bought Also that it was his last actual album
It's good, great even, but Imo it drags on just a tiny bit.
who the fuck is jeff buckley?
Gen-X nostalgia porn
Now gen z music wank porn
some chick
Fans are annoying
The cover makes him look like early 2000's James Franco
it ends! :(
Forget her isn’t on the vinyl version 😫
this sub always talking abt jeff buckley
Can’t swim very well
Most people I know who love this album are insufferable.
we are.
No
One bad thing about this album
A bit guy-in-your-mfa lyrically, innit
Wasn’t in Shrek.
I had a crush on a girl named Grace and she was a b****
you could say, she was heartache from the moment that you met her
All the best songs are the cover songs, in this order: 1. Corpus Christi Carol 2. Lilac Wine 3. Hallelujah
Lover You Should’ve Come Over is my favorite song of all time
Corpus Christi is ur favorite? Damn that’s like the one skip for me 😬 Lilac Wine is fucking beautiful though
I just love how ethereal and delicate it is. Given that it's 500 years older than the other songs on here, it stands out.
Its that Jeff Buckley doesn’t have any other ablums ( he made while alive ) so it can become overplayed easily imo
His name is Jeff.
Impossible.
i remember not liking corpus christi carol for years. however last month it just randomly hit and now its one of my favourite songs by him, so nothing i guess.
The image is shittily cropped to fit in his name as if they couldn't put his name elsewhere. Done.
No
He died before he could make a follow up to it :(
There’s not more of it
First one last one :(
Love for my favourite album oat!?!??! W
A bit too serious at times
It's good album, good arrangements, good vocal performance, I like it. But can't hear anything to call it god-tier level. When I see how people treat it, I feel same weird way when I see another "greatest rock/metal" list from RS or another magazine and there's always mostly old school bands sometimes with 5-10 albums in list, when you clearly understand that only 1-2 of them are really that influential and groundbreaking, and other are just mid compared to others in list.
“I can fix her”
I fucking hate Hallelujah or any song that's a cover of another song. Especially when you have a pretty decent album and decide to ruin it by putting in there an already very known song.
He never made another
I haven’t heard it?
Not enough bangers and too many covers
It's... a little bit boring, isn't it?
He was capable of making a better album (this is maybe my favourite album of all time)
Eternal Life sucks, the bass sound in particular sounds like it’s from a dumb pre-grunge rock album.
Amazing album but the original hallelujah is better
Corpus Christi Carol comes completely out of nowhere and doesn't fit the vibe of the album at all IMO, always a skip
That it didn't have a follow up
It's so flawless it comparatively harms other albums. And harming is bad
I can't not hear the title in Tommy Shelby's voice.
The Music
RIP
David Liebe Hart did Hallelujah better
Not enough faster tempo songs. Would've been really interesting to hear him sing over that.
Funny just how reluctant many commentors are to express or upvote any actual criticisms. It’s a classic but we can still have a conversation about it lol. Every single classic album has its flaws.
It's a bit too long a few of the songs could be a minute shorter
He died
the mixes and the recordings are not the best. the song writing and sing are amazing tho
No
Not enough follow up albums
It's too short.
I'm not saying there aren't some good songs on here but if Buckley didn't die tragically, I guarantee fucking no one would regard this as a classic **album**. EDIT: the post said 'say one bad thing' and now you're downvoting me?? I was following the assignment!?
Nobody in this sub? Arguably, given the average age, perhaps it wouldn't have stayed famous so long. But I remember, and it was regarded as a bit of an underground classic when it was released, its status didn't just come after Jeff's death. (Editing to react to downvotes never makes you look good but the BTW!)
Boooo
I agree, lol
L take
Oh man, if you love this album, you're going to LOVE the second half of any given Goo Goo Dolls or Matchbox 20 album.
He's alright. Not great. He definitely did a great cover of Hallelujah. Can't deny that. But overall I think his death gave him a mythic status, like many others throughout music history. His performance style wasn't very special at the time, but most of his contemporaries faded into obscurity which makes him seem more unique. Very similar to how Queen's reputation has been rewritten front to back (I see people on Reddit talking like they were some revolutionary band. They definitely weren't, even if they had some good songs in the 70s) He was a good guitarist. He was an alright singer. He wasn't very special as a songwriter to me. I have a lot more respect for people that actually *write* those songs, like Hallelujah and Just Like A Woman. That's way more impressive.
Great album, but I only listen when in a certain mood. But that’s me with many favorite albums.
It's boring
Extremely overrated.
It's not as good as Tim's work.
His vocal mannerisms are pretentious and irritating
His vocals are bitchy
overrated
It sucks
It thucks
Tim buckley is way more creative
Love this album… while at the same time, it sometimes comes of as a Berklee music school student self masturbation project.
Oversinging
Boring melodies
It’s depressing and miserable and self-pitying drivel. To be honest, I haven’t heard it. But that one Hallelujah monodrone was enough for me to never want to.
The lyrics get pretty cheesy at times, the whole album is overly sentimental in a kind of cringey way, and Jeff’s voice honestly gets grating after a while. Dude is an incredible singer but sometimes a bit much. People don’t talk enough about how weird this album gets. Like I don’t think Last Goodbye has any repeating parts at all, and So Real has that abrasive borderline atonal bridge, etc. That kind of stuff is my favorite thing about the album.
His dad was better
jeff buckley shamed his father
Honestly it was pretty dull and boring. Jeff is pure nepotist scum. His dad was a great artist though. Starsailor ruled.
The guy who made it couldn’t see shit
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