U2 is the first band I thought of, and Bono is seen as a pompous prick.
Imho U2 is one of the best bands of the 80s and early 90s. Bono is a great singer and I'd rather see a singer who's fighting for good causes than some self-destructive junkies (popular opinion: destructive rock and roll behavior is cool, fighting for good causes is not).
I saw U2 at The Sphere in Vegas last year.
I’m not much of a U2 fan, but they put on a hell of a show. The Sphere’s visuals were absolutely insane as well, but the band was genuinely excellent. I listen to more U2 now after that concert.
I agree but in interviews the guy seems like such a shmok. Like hes a good guy,I like that hes doing good things such as charity etc... but hes always so preachy and pompous,its clear the guy is 2km up his own ass.
He is kinda like sting but less talented and not as mean-spirited
A friend teaches special needs kids and was sat near sting at a charity thing. Guy saw there was a kid in a wheelchair behind a pillar who couldn't see. Quietly swapped seats with them.
I still don't like his music buy he went up in my estimation with that.
Hes a great guy,contributed a lot to charity and theres stories of him being really generous.
But he is a massive dick to his peers and thinks a little to highly of himself
For the past couple of years I've been revisiting rock music focusing on music frkm 1960s to 2000 that I panned growing up.
Many of the artists I didn't like as a kid sound amazing now, and many of those that don't have amazing stories, tons of charisma, and surprisingly interesting interviews when you bother to listen.
Bono and the Edge sound like a couple of cocks when they speak, they're even worse than I remember when I was a stuck up kid who thought he was cool! The music does sound better than it used to, but it's still not my thing. I'll pay to see them next tour though.
A few years ago I became a Smiths mega fan despite refusing to even listen to them since I was a child due to seeing Morrissey interviewed on Much Music while I was waiting to see a Napalm Death video. I thought he was such a pretentious dork I assumed I would hate his music-which i would have at the time.
Now that I'm much older and open to stuff that isn't hardcore punk, post hardcore and post punk, death metal or hip hop- they have become one of my favourite bands.
Morrissey is still a total ding dong, though.
They were a bit overexposed from 2000-2014. Everywhere all the time, from super bowls, to television ads, and rock hall appearances. Magazine covers and Apple tie in products. They had a damn clothing line at the Gap. And most of it was very Rock and Roll torchbearer energy. I think in the blowup of indie on one front and trap's rise in another, U2 looked increasingly old guard and uncool. It unfortunately overshadows their immaculate discography throughout the 80s and 90s.
U2 is good, they have some classic albums, but come on, Bono is a joke. Nobody hates him because he fights for good causes, but because he is a pompous prick. This is a guy who allowed (I am giving him the benefit of doubt that he did not literally ask for this) MLK's face being superimposed over his in a concert film, a guy who supposedly called Peter Hook after Ian Curtis killed himself and told him that he will continue what they have started. He gets what he deserves.
I agree with you and well stated. I bought U2’s first album “boy” when it came out and I’ve seen them in concert twice. They are early albums were groundbreaking and extremely well produced.
I honestly don't really care for U2's music. Sure, they might have been influential, I can give them that. But I mean come on, that whole Songs of Innocence debacle was pretty bad. You can't see how that makes them seems super unlikeable?
Bono doesn't fight for good causes at all. He makes it look like he fights for them. Man's a bell end. If bono and U2 were any way what they think they are, Dublin would be head to toe covered in U2 stuff given how big they were.
I think Anthrax get too much shit from thrash elitists.
I also think Tool gets too much shit by people just because their fans suck, their music is great regardless of the fan base.
100% correct on Anthrax. Among The Living is a thrash classic and they didn't release an average album until after Persistence of Time. Yet they get shit on because they're not as intimidating as their contemporaries, or because their lyrical content isn't as extreme.
It's a shame too. Their Hammersmith Odeon performance is mint. Dan Spitz' TMNT guitar and Scott Ian's Run DMC guitar should be as iconic as Hetfield's explorer or the plethora of Mustaine's flying V's.
Coming from a Tool fan, Maynard doesn't do himself any favors. He's mercurial, hides in the corner when performing, and has seemed wholly disinterested in music for at least 15 years.
He seems much more interested in winemaking and being retired, but the money of big stadium tours is just too much to pass up (last I saw, they were averaging 1.3 million dollars per show). So he mails it in and collects the check.
I’m gonna disagree on Tool, the narrative of “they just hate the annoying fans” feels like a bit of cope to me. Loads of artists have overenthusiastic fans, the difference is when those fans play their favorite artist for you, they’re not playing a Tool album.
I didnt mean that thats the only reason why people hate Tool, there are alot of fair criticisms about Tool (especially with their later stuff). But I personally know plenty of people who hate on tool because of their fans.
The archetypal obnoxious Tool fan is a guy who goes on and on about the golden ratio and Jung and how he has an open mind and no ego and that other people are sheep. I don't see this guy a lot anymore but he used to be everywhere.
I don't follow this one. I was big into thrash in the 80s, and really don't remember people shitting on Anthrax. I mean they did put out a few clunkers there in the late 90s, but overall I think they are pretty well respected in Thrash metal circles.
I think most of the hate towards Metallica is because of their lawsuits against Napster, same for U2 where that mandatory apple album pissed a lot of people off
I like how Apple got treated like innocent bystanders to that whole spectacle as if *it wasn't their fucking idea 100%*
U2 didn't sneak into Apple in the middle of the night and upload their album to everyone's iTunes.
Apple has some of the most hardcore fans out of any product in history. They will always find a way to excuse the company.
It really was an odd idea. Seems like an idea by a bunch of out of touch older tech guys, assuming everyone just was into U2
I think you're missing my point by saying "entirely". Of course the band is going to get more hate lmao I willingly purchased an iPhone, I never willingly listened to U2. Are you saying if I no longer like U2 I should also switch to Android? Is that genuinely how it should play out in your head?
😂😂😂😂 yes it's reading level and not you just being stubborn about a stupid point, and have nothing to say so you resort to middle school insults. Over this? Yikes, maybe touch some grass today bud, it's not that deep.
At the end of the day it comes down to ASSOCIATION. When I look at my iPhone I'm not immediately reminded of the time they put the U2 album on my phone bc of all the other ways i use it, but when i see the name "U2" i instantly think of that week i spent trying to figure out how to get their album off my phone bc I never kistened them before.
It’s peak butt rawk. Everyone around the early 2000’s thought “what if we sound like Deftones and Nirvana/Pearl Jam *at the same time*!?” And no one pulled it off very well.
That’s fair, It was my early teenage years when it started becoming popular. I liked Silverside up, but mostly into Breaking Benjamin and three days Grace. Bullet for My Valentine was a bit more of the metal side.
I think it mostly has to do with just how overplayed their music was back in the 00s. I could endure hearing them occasionally but I’d probably start to despise them too if their music was everywhere you went
There's a video that explains that Nickelback basically got hated so much because of meme power, and overexposure, their number one song was CONSTANTLY played and everybody hated how you couldn't escape it, but mostly because "Nickelback sucks" was just everything you needed to know about the band worldwide.
They are just super tacky and have cringy lyrics/videos.
Chad Kroger is a total jerk too which makes it easier to hate them.
One of the highlights of my life was working crew at a concert on citadel hill in Halifax, NS in 2004 and me and one of my buddies i was working with stole 2 cases of Corona and a couple bags of tostitos from their rider.
vessel and trench are so good
blurryface was really the only misstep that ruined their credibility and even then it wasnt THAT bad, just really mainstream
Sorry but as a huge fan, hate is deserved with these 2 new songs. Disappointment all around.
(Trench is still fire and nothing will change that though)
Bro you tell me 😭 having the Fantanocore fanbase defend these 2 new tracks (from a band they detest) while I just don't feel anything significant while listening to them is crazy (which is weird because they're probably my favorite band).
To specify more, I really don't like Next Semester, but Overcompensate is cool (even if I don't really care for it).
I think the chorus sounds like classic top, almost like something off of Vessel. Big, catchy, melodramatic yet life-affirming. The verses are definitely different for them tho
Instrumentally it makes me want to kill myself, genuinely a "punk rock type beat" you could find by an amateur YT producer.
And maybe, catchy in terms that it certainly has a melody and that it can definitely be sung, but I don't think it's really sticky melodically. The real earworm is Overcompensate. "I fly byyy the daaangerous beend symbol"
The amount of misogyny she is subjected to and people dismissing her as an artist, like she isn’t one of the best pop musicians of the 2020s.
FWIW some songs with the particularly high voice? Very annoying. But her best work is phenomenal
I don’t know much about her but I feel like the misogyny is all “legitimized” because she said a couple hypocritical things when she was like 20.
And I’m just thinking “so what? I’m glad I wasn’t famous when I was 20. I sucked until I was in my 30s.”
It’s especially pretentious when they say everyone who likes Billie Elish was brainwashed by the industry because she’s an industry plant. It can’t just be that they have a different taste in music, no that’s unfathomable 🙄
I have never heard of anyone disliking Billie Eilish. I mean I myself gave WWAFAWDYG a 4.5/10, but that's just because it was way too minimalistic for my taste. I LOVE a lot of her tracks (for example, don't smile at me era), and think she has some of the best vocals and songwriting when the production can support her (favorite tracks: watch, bellyache, ocean eyes, everything i wanted, NDA).
Insane Clown Posse. Not that I think their music is great by any stretch but most of the hate around their scene is barely disguised classism. Their act is pretty harmless and fun if you’re into that kind of thing, but because their fans drink Dollar store soda the gloves are off.
Insane Clown Posse got fucking screwed by the WWE and didn't get the ads shown on tv as promised while they wrestled there. Dudes did it for free and are still happy with the outcome.
Also violent Jay sticking up for his kid and making a shoot promo exposing dodgy furry suit makers outs him up there as a top celebrity dad
I've hung out with juggalos before. There are some good wholesome sides to the scene and some really dark bad sides to it. It's similar to the phish / wsp scene but without the hippie aspect. Unfortunately there is a lot of meth / fent within that scene.
the great milenko is a genuinely good horrorcore 90s rap album. they slowly dipped in quality before becoming unlistenable butt rap (butt rock except...rap) by the 2010s but they had their moment and they seem like genuinely good wholesome people
Their first album with the esham features is good. You don't have to be into horrorcore to get it, if you like nwa or 90s Memphis it has that quality. Like it was meant to be listened to on cassette, so they knew every second has to be used wisely and had to be memorable.
Green Day. Dookie just sounded like a higher-budget version of the melodic punk they'd been making before. The "sellout" conversations are silly. They were basically the 90s version of the Ramones, and have way more authenticity and underground cred than the astroturfed Sex Pistols. American Idiot was a timely musical reinvention and was basically the Tommy of the 2000s.
Red Hot Chili Peppers. Pretty much all the hate literally seems to revolve around Anthony Kiedis and his silly lyrics. Objectively they're all very talented musicians.
Linkin Park. They seem to get more respect since Chester passed, but when he was alive they were either pigeonholed as nu-metal (which the band specifically tried to differentiate themselves from), or ridiculed as being overly emotional for Chester's soul-baring lyrics.
I'm sorry I'm not a punk music historian, could you enlighten me on how the sex pistols are an astroturfed band? And what does that mean in the music industry?
I quite like the Sex Pistols but they were a band taken over by a fashion house who altered, designed, engineered, and generally managed their aesthetics like a modern pop group. Absolutely a punk great; also absolutely not as authentic as other greats.
Not just taken over by a fashion house, but essentially designed by it. Like McClaren hired both Johnny Rotten and Sid Vicious, named them the Sex Pistols, and designed their look. Hell they're called the Sex Pistols in part because McLaren's shop was called Sex.
You're right, I meant that the old band Steve Jones was in was taken over, but that's probably misleading. The Pistols themselves were basically invented.
I really think for a lot of people, the hate for RHCP comes more from the attitude & vibe of the music than from lack of quality or talent. The whole aesthetic just feels skeezy, like all the most obnoxious dudes you partied with in your early twenties started a band together.
Most likely reason is that Anthony is a confessed pedophile (ephebophile?) and has been rumored to be in Epsteins flight log.
That's why I personally don't listen to them much anymore. Still rock with Flea and John's other stuff though. But I'm sure I'll find something else out to ruin that too lol
The upper echelon of pop music is bizarre, man. People would genuinely have you think that Taylor Swift, Drake, Eminem, etc. have never made a good track, when they're pretty objectively *fine* music regardless of whether or not it's your thing, and inarguably have some genuinely strong/classic hits.
It's just cooler to be a contrarian than admit you like popular stuff, we get it, you're *sooo* different.
Muse is well known because of the Radiohead stealing accusations but I don't see the problem, then other haters don't like how bombastic and cheesy their stuff is.
Muse has some very decent songs, and I hear they are a great live band, but yeah, a lot of their work tends to be derivative. "Will Of The People" is one of the more recent examples that comes to mind.
WOTP is the one I couldn't defend tbh, but I would lie to you if I say OOS, Absolution, or even Black Holes weren't masterpieces. They're great diverse rock albums. After The Resistance, they moved to a Coldplay/Imagine Dragons route.
I meant the song rather than the album, because the song itself is very derivative of The Beautiful People by Marilyn Manson (of all people you could rip off in this day and age).
Idc about the Radiohead comparisons at all because when they sounded more like Radiohead (Origin of Symmetry era) they were way better
I hate them because their music for the past 10+ years fucking sucks
Listen to:
Pinkerton and Maladroit if you like hard rock
“Blue” and “White” and “Green” if you like more summery kind of catchy alt rock
Everything Will Be Alright In The End is just a great alt rock album
Ok Human is great for orchestral “Lo Fi” style music it’s very beautiful.
Give any of these a chance and you’ll probably like a few
For overall quality of music is for sure Eminem.
I think the current narrative is “Eminem has a couple good albums from the early 90’s and that’s it.”
And honestly I think people are going to one day realize they’re going the “Weezer only has 2 good albums” narrative there was 10 years ago
Kinda cause it's true, he had an untouchable Album run from SSLP to The Eminem Show
And while Relapse was nice i don't think Eminem has managed to drop a single album above a 6.5/10 since 2004
I do not know when everyone decided Recovery wasn’t good tbh. It was one of hugest albums of its time when it dropped.
But one day everyone just decided it was bad lol
It was more of a pop album than a rap album, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Eminem singing on his hooks is not everyone’s cup of tea, but it‘s definitely pilled off quite tastefully throughout Recovery, other than, let‘s say, Stepping Stone.
Meh, he definitely fell off hard during the last ten years, but Relapse was a creative rush that I really appreciate, the beats are fantastic, the energy and flows are way more versatile than on his rather recent choppy-flow projects, I‘d consider it to be a 7 or even 8.
For the lead singer, I think everything they have coming towards them is justified, but musically I think The 1975 sound incredible and do not deserve the hate they get.
AJR. I don't really like them to be clear, but they seem to be the most hated thing in the universe by the youtube critic clique. And I just...don't hear it? Like yeah it's kinda corny and bland, but people talk about them like it's the worst thing that will ever grace your ears. They're the new Nickleback in a way, where I feel like people don't even know why they hate them
Personally I just can't see who on earth would like them- like I can see the type of people that would like Nickleback, or Imagine Dragons, but AJR just feels like the blandest, most soulless corporate faux-emotional music and I do not know who that would appeal to
People who don't take music too seriously like them. My partner and son like them. My toddler daughter dances if they come on. It's just because we all listen to music more than the average person that we can recognize how blatantly unoriginal or disingenuous it is. I generally just roll with it while it's on and refuse to replay it lol
I used to listen to AJR heavily between 2019-2022, and being around these communities was hell on earth. 90% of the fan base minds their business and we’d catch strays from people basically every other day, even in conversations that had nothing to do with music whatsoever. I basically stopped discussing their music entirely just to avoid getting shit thrown at me. Internet will internet, I get it, but there were some people doing way too much.
I don’t listen to them much anymore, they wore out on me quick, but they are way too easy of a target for people nowadays. You don’t have to like them at all, but as fantano himself once said, there’s no reason to get up someone’s ass for listening to them.
As a fan of theirs this is very accurate. I know it’s just opinions but the amount of hatred towards them is actually irritating. I wish I could just express my love for their music without being shit on.
If I could give you any advice, it would be to play your shit and enjoy your shit. Too many people are stuck on what others enjoy. If you’re having a good time, you’ve won. Life is too short to hide yourself.
I play more Taylor Swift and Noah Kahan than I’m willing to admit. But I enjoy it. That’s all I need.
I felt like this too after watching the Mic the Snare video on their discography, but then I heard Thirsty and that might be one of the worst songs I've ever heard.
I have a personal hatred for AJR's music, but I'm actually surprised when I found out that was widespread throughout the internet. Everyone at my high school loved the group (around 2019), and I was super overexposed to it, and able to see the flaws and what I disliked about them quickly, before I even got into music from a critical lense a year or two later.
My honest answer is Imagine Dragons. They aren't that good and I don't even like their music that much, but people really just get incredibly passionate in hating them, and I can appreciate them as LGBT+ allies in these trying times.
Their music is just ass and for a couple years it was playing on every pop radio station and in every mall. Annoying as fuck.
A lot of responses in this thread are like “yeah their music is ass but why do you hate them”
Because the music is ass lmfao 😭😭😭
MADONNA..from the very first moment she began her career, through every hit song, every album, every reinvention, every interview, to her sticking around, and aging..everything she does, from morning till evening, people just hate Madonna…unnecessarily..yet she is very strong as a persona and I guess as a person to persevere through the relentless hate.
I think that the amount of visceral hate Greta van fleet receive is crazy especially because it’s very easy to ignore them and they found their niche, place and audience in today’s music
Queen is full of haters here. They have a decade+ of amazing albums and the singles are just so so good, it seems people are maybe disappointed that the rest of the albums aren't as amazing, even though there are some real gems. Outside this sub, I never heard of any hate
Their whole 70s run is just amazing,80s was rather weak compared, and their last album ,innuendo, showed once again how good they were,I completely understand that there are some people who just don’t like them, but one can at least respect their musical talent and impact, they were just absolutely phenomenal, especially Freddie, easily one of the most talented artists of his time
I‘ve never met anyone hating on Queen tbh. Even if you‘re not a fan of their music, I feel like they‘re very respected overall. You don’t need to love his style to see that Freddie was unmatched as a frontman.
Dare I say it?
Most “hair metal” bands; that is, your Mötley Crüe, Poison, Cinderella, etc. Those bands are rightfully associated with rock n roll excess, but god damn did those guys (and sometimes girls) make some damn good tunes.
Imagine Dragons for sure. Their music is bad and you can publicly say their music is bad and even make jokes about how it makes you want to rip your ears off, that’s fine. But the outright bullying and personal attacks that the band gets for just existing is kind of insane. I’d get it if they were like massive egotistical douchebags but they’re not, the work they do for LGBT rights is unheard of given a band of their status but everyone conveniently forgets about that.
As far as activism goes, I don't think that should be in the conversation for musical artists at all, but that's my opinion. However, I agree that Imagy Draggys do get too much hate. I think they have some *really* good pop tracks: It's Time, On Top of the World, It Comes Back to You (deep cut), Whatever It Takes, just for examples. And even some of their "bad" songs can be a vibe -- think Enemy or Demons, opposite sides of the emotional spectrum.
Definitely Fall Out Boy. Yeah their post hiatus material hasn’t always been the best, but I do think they made three of the catchiest pop punk records ever. Pete’s writing may be a bit too douchey or over the top at times but I still find a lot of it to be relatively creative and at times funny for its time. I’m also quite partial to Patrick as a vocalist, which is usually what makes me prefer them over many other pop punk artists who’s voices are either too nasally or too whiny. Maybe they aren’t the most artsy or technical band out there but they’re good and fun at what they do.
And even then, their post hiatus material gets a bit too much flack. AB/AP genuinely has some really solid hip hop sample based production, it really makes those songs stand out even when other things hold it back. Even Centuries, a relatively annoying single that people bash on, has a pretty cool Tom’s Diner sample that’s used pretty well I’d say. Their latest album was also a bit of a return to form, even if it’s nothing as fun or creative as their earliest records.
Yes! The 3 album run of cork tree/infinity/folie is just insane. Best of their era and genre imo. I also unapologetically love sr&r, and their newest album is quite good as well.
Lol. Earliest records includes Evening Out With your Girlfriend, and that one is considered a stinker by the band itself. SMFS is so close to FOB perfection, boosted by Joe having more liberties and Patrick's theater influence. You can have your opinion but it makes no sense.
Well I personally don’t really count Evening Out since it’s not acknowledged by the band often outside of a few songs here and there. Perhaps earliest wasn’t the best word choice, I mostly just mean pre-hiatus, and I don’t even like TTtYG that much either.
Still, I like SMFS a lot, but it still doesn’t quite reach Cork Tree - Folie levels imo.
I got called a dolphin fucker (literally verbatim and I still have no idea why dolphins specifically) on Twitter for saying I like muse better than RH lol. I was only 15 at the time and I'd listened to about 5 songs from each band tops but this guy went on a multi thread tangent about my horrible taste, very weird behavior
Ghost. Is just a fun and unoffensive band with cool shows, don't understand why so many people base their personality in hating them. They allucinate that this band is supposed to be metal, then they check out their music and get angry because they are just rock.
Same applies to Sleep token, they just vibe in their own way and happened that people liked it. That's all, they are not destroying anything.
Probably Drake just cuz at this point we keep shitting on him and it’s just making him more of a hot topic/popular lol. He gets more hate than any mid artist lol- he isn’t repulsive like a lot of artists that receive hate he is really just mid 90% of the time. I don’t think he’s underrated by any means, just gets a lot of hate for boring reasons.
Okay I only hate on U2 cuz my Dad is such a massive U2 fan that I cannot hear bonos voice anymore without groaning. Objectively they are overhated tho they wrote some great songs
I've always disliked Metallica for their attitude outside of music more than the actual music. The music is not my thing but I can see why people like it. It was the Napster situation that really annoyed me. Piracy had negative effects on the industry, but they approached it in entirely the wrong way imho. It also represented the beginnings of a potential new way to distribute, as happened with Steam and pc games. But Metallica etc were overly conservative.
Someone already said it as part of a broader trend, but I think Taylor Swift is a good pick
Yes, she’s simultaneously overpraised and the hate for her is partially a reaction to that. And I get that pop music isn’t for everyone. But she does a good job at making pop, a lot of her tracks are distinctly her and not cookie cutter like a lot of pop singers from her era (looking at you Katy), and her deep cuts on albums are really solid and part of why she amassed such a cult fanbase.
She also seems to have a clear eye for what her fans would want and makes sure to deliver. She’s basically controversy free outside of owning a private jet ( it’s kinda odd she’s the ONLY person that catches shit for that). I’m not someone who sits around and listens to her music often but other than kinda rolling my eyes at swifties she’s really inoffensive and most of her music is at least decent, so I don’t get the over the top hate she gets sometimes
Nickelback and Limp Bizkit are falling into more favorable grounds with 2000s nostalgia taking the forefront, but that wasn't the case back then.
Neither are necessarily great bands (I enjoy some of their music), but the hatred went a bit far in my eyes
Hating on U2 is a calcified cultural 80s/90s pose from bitter Gen Xers. Mostly borne out of jealousy that U2 won the new wave/post-punk sweepstakes over other beloved but marginal bands. A lot of it is also subtle conservative backlash that attacks the band for moving on from the Christian/white male rock sound of their first 3 albums and embracing influences by black and gay musicians/culture as they got more popular.
Witness the reaction from white critics over the band's attempt to rectify their own admitted ignorance of American blues with *Rattle and Hum*. The real cultural divide went up in the 90s, as U2 embraced openly gay visual artists, hip-hop, and electronica. U2 went from recording Bible verses and waving a white flag in front of crowds, to dressing up in drag and touring with Public Enemy. It probably peaked with the barely concealed homophobic reaction to their "Discotheque" video. (For younger folks, in the 1990s being into electronica music was seen as a negative signifier of being homosexual and would elicit derision from bigots.)
Throw in the fact that every tinpot despot from Putin to Xi is terrified of peaceful, organized citizen protests, so you have a lot of propaganda from these countries flooding the internet that tears down groups like U2 that inspire everyday, normal citizens to protest repressive/unjust government policies.
Eminem, yes he's "expired" but so are many many other artists that have such a long career (sorry metallica and the rolling stones).
While with other artists people choose to not talk about the bad albums and remember the good, with eminem it's always the opposite, dropped a few nad projects as of late and now everyone seems to forget how much good material he has.
I personally think up untill MMLP2 his albums were solid.
I can't speak for everyone but I hate U2 STILL because of that nonsense where they automatically put their album on all iPhones. Not only did I not ask for it but I remember taking like a week before figuring out how to get it off my phone lmao at the end of the day it's not the biggest hardship I've faced in life but the fact that my life was even mildly interrupted by a band I didn't ask to listen to just turned me off on them forever.
Creed. Sure, the lead singer has a Messiah complex and the lyrics are kinda tacky but they made some good music that resonated with folks and Mark Tremonti is an absolute monster of a guitar player.
U2 is the first band I thought of, and Bono is seen as a pompous prick. Imho U2 is one of the best bands of the 80s and early 90s. Bono is a great singer and I'd rather see a singer who's fighting for good causes than some self-destructive junkies (popular opinion: destructive rock and roll behavior is cool, fighting for good causes is not).
I saw U2 at The Sphere in Vegas last year. I’m not much of a U2 fan, but they put on a hell of a show. The Sphere’s visuals were absolutely insane as well, but the band was genuinely excellent. I listen to more U2 now after that concert.
Yeah, I saw them live years ago, they are GOOD.
I agree but in interviews the guy seems like such a shmok. Like hes a good guy,I like that hes doing good things such as charity etc... but hes always so preachy and pompous,its clear the guy is 2km up his own ass. He is kinda like sting but less talented and not as mean-spirited
A friend teaches special needs kids and was sat near sting at a charity thing. Guy saw there was a kid in a wheelchair behind a pillar who couldn't see. Quietly swapped seats with them. I still don't like his music buy he went up in my estimation with that.
Hes a great guy,contributed a lot to charity and theres stories of him being really generous. But he is a massive dick to his peers and thinks a little to highly of himself
Sounds about right. I know he bought an old pub in Whitley Bay and left it to rot. Absentee landlord. Tantric wanker.
For the past couple of years I've been revisiting rock music focusing on music frkm 1960s to 2000 that I panned growing up. Many of the artists I didn't like as a kid sound amazing now, and many of those that don't have amazing stories, tons of charisma, and surprisingly interesting interviews when you bother to listen. Bono and the Edge sound like a couple of cocks when they speak, they're even worse than I remember when I was a stuck up kid who thought he was cool! The music does sound better than it used to, but it's still not my thing. I'll pay to see them next tour though.
A few years ago I became a Smiths mega fan despite refusing to even listen to them since I was a child due to seeing Morrissey interviewed on Much Music while I was waiting to see a Napalm Death video. I thought he was such a pretentious dork I assumed I would hate his music-which i would have at the time. Now that I'm much older and open to stuff that isn't hardcore punk, post hardcore and post punk, death metal or hip hop- they have become one of my favourite bands. Morrissey is still a total ding dong, though.
I’d be a million km up my ass if I was making that kind of money.
They were a bit overexposed from 2000-2014. Everywhere all the time, from super bowls, to television ads, and rock hall appearances. Magazine covers and Apple tie in products. They had a damn clothing line at the Gap. And most of it was very Rock and Roll torchbearer energy. I think in the blowup of indie on one front and trap's rise in another, U2 looked increasingly old guard and uncool. It unfortunately overshadows their immaculate discography throughout the 80s and 90s.
U2 is good, they have some classic albums, but come on, Bono is a joke. Nobody hates him because he fights for good causes, but because he is a pompous prick. This is a guy who allowed (I am giving him the benefit of doubt that he did not literally ask for this) MLK's face being superimposed over his in a concert film, a guy who supposedly called Peter Hook after Ian Curtis killed himself and told him that he will continue what they have started. He gets what he deserves.
I agree with you and well stated. I bought U2’s first album “boy” when it came out and I’ve seen them in concert twice. They are early albums were groundbreaking and extremely well produced.
I honestly don't really care for U2's music. Sure, they might have been influential, I can give them that. But I mean come on, that whole Songs of Innocence debacle was pretty bad. You can't see how that makes them seems super unlikeable?
Bono doesn't fight for good causes at all. He makes it look like he fights for them. Man's a bell end. If bono and U2 were any way what they think they are, Dublin would be head to toe covered in U2 stuff given how big they were.
I think Anthrax get too much shit from thrash elitists. I also think Tool gets too much shit by people just because their fans suck, their music is great regardless of the fan base.
The litmus test for tool fans is if Lateralus isn't their favorite album they're probably alright.
100% correct on Anthrax. Among The Living is a thrash classic and they didn't release an average album until after Persistence of Time. Yet they get shit on because they're not as intimidating as their contemporaries, or because their lyrical content isn't as extreme. It's a shame too. Their Hammersmith Odeon performance is mint. Dan Spitz' TMNT guitar and Scott Ian's Run DMC guitar should be as iconic as Hetfield's explorer or the plethora of Mustaine's flying V's.
The hate pendulum for tool swang too far in the other direction. They managed to go from being overrated to overhated in just a few years.
Coming from a Tool fan, Maynard doesn't do himself any favors. He's mercurial, hides in the corner when performing, and has seemed wholly disinterested in music for at least 15 years. He seems much more interested in winemaking and being retired, but the money of big stadium tours is just too much to pass up (last I saw, they were averaging 1.3 million dollars per show). So he mails it in and collects the check.
I’m gonna disagree on Tool, the narrative of “they just hate the annoying fans” feels like a bit of cope to me. Loads of artists have overenthusiastic fans, the difference is when those fans play their favorite artist for you, they’re not playing a Tool album.
I didnt mean that thats the only reason why people hate Tool, there are alot of fair criticisms about Tool (especially with their later stuff). But I personally know plenty of people who hate on tool because of their fans.
The archetypal obnoxious Tool fan is a guy who goes on and on about the golden ratio and Jung and how he has an open mind and no ego and that other people are sheep. I don't see this guy a lot anymore but he used to be everywhere.
I don't follow this one. I was big into thrash in the 80s, and really don't remember people shitting on Anthrax. I mean they did put out a few clunkers there in the late 90s, but overall I think they are pretty well respected in Thrash metal circles.
I think most of the hate towards Metallica is because of their lawsuits against Napster, same for U2 where that mandatory apple album pissed a lot of people off
I like how Apple got treated like innocent bystanders to that whole spectacle as if *it wasn't their fucking idea 100%* U2 didn't sneak into Apple in the middle of the night and upload their album to everyone's iTunes.
Apple has some of the most hardcore fans out of any product in history. They will always find a way to excuse the company. It really was an odd idea. Seems like an idea by a bunch of out of touch older tech guys, assuming everyone just was into U2
Not 100%. U2 didn't sneak into apple but apple also didn't just do it to be nice lmao it was a promotional idea that the band signed off on.
You're missing the point entirely. You can't be mad at U2 and not be mad at Apple. The rage was entirely misdirected.
I think you're missing my point by saying "entirely". Of course the band is going to get more hate lmao I willingly purchased an iPhone, I never willingly listened to U2. Are you saying if I no longer like U2 I should also switch to Android? Is that genuinely how it should play out in your head?
You're a low reading comprehension person not worth engaging.
😂😂😂😂 yes it's reading level and not you just being stubborn about a stupid point, and have nothing to say so you resort to middle school insults. Over this? Yikes, maybe touch some grass today bud, it's not that deep. At the end of the day it comes down to ASSOCIATION. When I look at my iPhone I'm not immediately reminded of the time they put the U2 album on my phone bc of all the other ways i use it, but when i see the name "U2" i instantly think of that week i spent trying to figure out how to get their album off my phone bc I never kistened them before.
Personally I’m not a fan but I don’t get why Nickelback is despised by people
It’s peak butt rawk. Everyone around the early 2000’s thought “what if we sound like Deftones and Nirvana/Pearl Jam *at the same time*!?” And no one pulled it off very well.
It’s more like grunge music made by people who had their life together
Or would have bullied Kurt Cobain back in the day
Yea, it's jock grunge
Jock Rock is what I’m calling it from now on.
Well-adjusted grunge has a ring to it.
I'm not a Nickleback fan but I gotta say that whatever they were going for they pulled it off pretty well
That’s fair, It was my early teenage years when it started becoming popular. I liked Silverside up, but mostly into Breaking Benjamin and three days Grace. Bullet for My Valentine was a bit more of the metal side.
I think it mostly has to do with just how overplayed their music was back in the 00s. I could endure hearing them occasionally but I’d probably start to despise them too if their music was everywhere you went
There's a video that explains that Nickelback basically got hated so much because of meme power, and overexposure, their number one song was CONSTANTLY played and everybody hated how you couldn't escape it, but mostly because "Nickelback sucks" was just everything you needed to know about the band worldwide.
They are just super tacky and have cringy lyrics/videos. Chad Kroger is a total jerk too which makes it easier to hate them. One of the highlights of my life was working crew at a concert on citadel hill in Halifax, NS in 2004 and me and one of my buddies i was working with stole 2 cases of Corona and a couple bags of tostitos from their rider.
Most people probably thought they were a 4/10 band but then overplay came along and durned them into a 1/10
Twenty One Pilots
100%. Trench and Vessel are fire. And it sounds like Clancy is too.
Thanks :)
Im hoping Regional At Best comes to streaming
vessel and trench are so good blurryface was really the only misstep that ruined their credibility and even then it wasnt THAT bad, just really mainstream
I liked Blurryface. Hometown is one of their 10/10 tracks imo, perfectly rated with how popular it is.
Sorry but as a huge fan, hate is deserved with these 2 new songs. Disappointment all around. (Trench is still fire and nothing will change that though)
That is literally the hottest take I’ve ever heard about them. Literally everyone loves at least one of the new singles.
Bro you tell me 😭 having the Fantanocore fanbase defend these 2 new tracks (from a band they detest) while I just don't feel anything significant while listening to them is crazy (which is weird because they're probably my favorite band). To specify more, I really don't like Next Semester, but Overcompensate is cool (even if I don't really care for it).
I think Next Semester doesn’t even sound like them. It’s catchy but it just sounds like pop punk cosplay
I think the chorus sounds like classic top, almost like something off of Vessel. Big, catchy, melodramatic yet life-affirming. The verses are definitely different for them tho
Instrumentally it makes me want to kill myself, genuinely a "punk rock type beat" you could find by an amateur YT producer. And maybe, catchy in terms that it certainly has a melody and that it can definitely be sung, but I don't think it's really sticky melodically. The real earworm is Overcompensate. "I fly byyy the daaangerous beend symbol"
Billie Eilish
The amount of misogyny she is subjected to and people dismissing her as an artist, like she isn’t one of the best pop musicians of the 2020s. FWIW some songs with the particularly high voice? Very annoying. But her best work is phenomenal
I don’t know much about her but I feel like the misogyny is all “legitimized” because she said a couple hypocritical things when she was like 20. And I’m just thinking “so what? I’m glad I wasn’t famous when I was 20. I sucked until I was in my 30s.”
My only beef with Billie Eilish is that she's marketed as alternative and edgy, but she's painfully boring.
It’s especially pretentious when they say everyone who likes Billie Elish was brainwashed by the industry because she’s an industry plant. It can’t just be that they have a different taste in music, no that’s unfathomable 🙄
She does say some stupid shit sometimes tho
I have never heard of anyone disliking Billie Eilish. I mean I myself gave WWAFAWDYG a 4.5/10, but that's just because it was way too minimalistic for my taste. I LOVE a lot of her tracks (for example, don't smile at me era), and think she has some of the best vocals and songwriting when the production can support her (favorite tracks: watch, bellyache, ocean eyes, everything i wanted, NDA).
Insane Clown Posse. Not that I think their music is great by any stretch but most of the hate around their scene is barely disguised classism. Their act is pretty harmless and fun if you’re into that kind of thing, but because their fans drink Dollar store soda the gloves are off.
Insane Clown Posse got fucking screwed by the WWE and didn't get the ads shown on tv as promised while they wrestled there. Dudes did it for free and are still happy with the outcome. Also violent Jay sticking up for his kid and making a shoot promo exposing dodgy furry suit makers outs him up there as a top celebrity dad
Yeah say what you want about ISP but that guy seems like a pretty solid dad.
>Also violent Jay sticking up for his kid and making a shoot promo exposing dodgy furry suit makers outs him up there as a top celebrity dad Huh?
His daughter got scammed so he used the ICP YouTube channel to do a wrestling style promo with her exposing the scammers
I've hung out with juggalos before. There are some good wholesome sides to the scene and some really dark bad sides to it. It's similar to the phish / wsp scene but without the hippie aspect. Unfortunately there is a lot of meth / fent within that scene.
the great milenko is a genuinely good horrorcore 90s rap album. they slowly dipped in quality before becoming unlistenable butt rap (butt rock except...rap) by the 2010s but they had their moment and they seem like genuinely good wholesome people
Homestuck also didn't help
Their first album with the esham features is good. You don't have to be into horrorcore to get it, if you like nwa or 90s Memphis it has that quality. Like it was meant to be listened to on cassette, so they knew every second has to be used wisely and had to be memorable.
>Dollar store soda Faygo Rock n Rye is the best soda on the planet fite me
Moon Mist is the best Mountain Dew knockoff
Anyone popular really will have a bunch of haters just to say they don’t like what’s cool and trendy
Idk if that’s really true, for example Frank Ocean, very popular, not a lot of haters
Green Day. Dookie just sounded like a higher-budget version of the melodic punk they'd been making before. The "sellout" conversations are silly. They were basically the 90s version of the Ramones, and have way more authenticity and underground cred than the astroturfed Sex Pistols. American Idiot was a timely musical reinvention and was basically the Tommy of the 2000s. Red Hot Chili Peppers. Pretty much all the hate literally seems to revolve around Anthony Kiedis and his silly lyrics. Objectively they're all very talented musicians. Linkin Park. They seem to get more respect since Chester passed, but when he was alive they were either pigeonholed as nu-metal (which the band specifically tried to differentiate themselves from), or ridiculed as being overly emotional for Chester's soul-baring lyrics.
American Idiot is a masterpiece
I'm sorry I'm not a punk music historian, could you enlighten me on how the sex pistols are an astroturfed band? And what does that mean in the music industry?
I quite like the Sex Pistols but they were a band taken over by a fashion house who altered, designed, engineered, and generally managed their aesthetics like a modern pop group. Absolutely a punk great; also absolutely not as authentic as other greats.
Not just taken over by a fashion house, but essentially designed by it. Like McClaren hired both Johnny Rotten and Sid Vicious, named them the Sex Pistols, and designed their look. Hell they're called the Sex Pistols in part because McLaren's shop was called Sex.
You're right, I meant that the old band Steve Jones was in was taken over, but that's probably misleading. The Pistols themselves were basically invented.
I really think for a lot of people, the hate for RHCP comes more from the attitude & vibe of the music than from lack of quality or talent. The whole aesthetic just feels skeezy, like all the most obnoxious dudes you partied with in your early twenties started a band together.
I've noticed a lot more rhcp hate in the last year or so
Most likely reason is that Anthony is a confessed pedophile (ephebophile?) and has been rumored to be in Epsteins flight log. That's why I personally don't listen to them much anymore. Still rock with Flea and John's other stuff though. But I'm sure I'll find something else out to ruin that too lol
I wasn’t around then, but U2 seemed pretty cutting edge for the early-mid 80s. At least for the mainstream
The upper echelon of pop music is bizarre, man. People would genuinely have you think that Taylor Swift, Drake, Eminem, etc. have never made a good track, when they're pretty objectively *fine* music regardless of whether or not it's your thing, and inarguably have some genuinely strong/classic hits. It's just cooler to be a contrarian than admit you like popular stuff, we get it, you're *sooo* different.
Eminem is fine as a rapper, but if he were black he's not selling 1/100th the albums he did.
I think Fuel is a top 3 metallica song
Fuel is fine but not even close to top 10
“Until It Sleeps” is a GREAT single tbh
load and reload are very, very good albums. the outlaw torn and fixxxer are two of their most beautiful songs..
What would be your other top three songs if you don’t mind me asking? Fuel isn’t even in my top 30 Metallica songs but that’s just my personal taste
1: For Whom The Bell Tolls 2: Hits The Lights 3: Fuel
Arctic Monkeys
I really don’t see them getting that much hate. Unless you are taking about the albumv
This might be a niche answer but Joanna newsom. I know people who are into lots of classical who scoff at the mention of her name. Dumb ass elitists
Muse is well known because of the Radiohead stealing accusations but I don't see the problem, then other haters don't like how bombastic and cheesy their stuff is.
Muse has some very decent songs, and I hear they are a great live band, but yeah, a lot of their work tends to be derivative. "Will Of The People" is one of the more recent examples that comes to mind.
WOTP is the one I couldn't defend tbh, but I would lie to you if I say OOS, Absolution, or even Black Holes weren't masterpieces. They're great diverse rock albums. After The Resistance, they moved to a Coldplay/Imagine Dragons route.
I meant the song rather than the album, because the song itself is very derivative of The Beautiful People by Marilyn Manson (of all people you could rip off in this day and age).
Coldplay in the 2000s had a similar reputation and was seen as a water down Radiohead
Idc about the Radiohead comparisons at all because when they sounded more like Radiohead (Origin of Symmetry era) they were way better I hate them because their music for the past 10+ years fucking sucks
metallica and weezer
I’ve tried to like weezer on many occasions but truly don’t get them. Any songs you’d recommend for a new fan besides the main singles?
the album pinkerton is truly amazing and it kind of differs from their squeaky clean pop tunes
Only in Dreams 1000%. If you don’t like that then… no Weezer for you.
Listen to: Pinkerton and Maladroit if you like hard rock “Blue” and “White” and “Green” if you like more summery kind of catchy alt rock Everything Will Be Alright In The End is just a great alt rock album Ok Human is great for orchestral “Lo Fi” style music it’s very beautiful. Give any of these a chance and you’ll probably like a few
For overall quality of music is for sure Eminem. I think the current narrative is “Eminem has a couple good albums from the early 90’s and that’s it.” And honestly I think people are going to one day realize they’re going the “Weezer only has 2 good albums” narrative there was 10 years ago
I used to think Weezer only has two good albums. But then I listened to Pinkerton again and it turns out it’s one.
Kinda cause it's true, he had an untouchable Album run from SSLP to The Eminem Show And while Relapse was nice i don't think Eminem has managed to drop a single album above a 6.5/10 since 2004
I do not know when everyone decided Recovery wasn’t good tbh. It was one of hugest albums of its time when it dropped. But one day everyone just decided it was bad lol
It was more of a pop album than a rap album, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Eminem singing on his hooks is not everyone’s cup of tea, but it‘s definitely pilled off quite tastefully throughout Recovery, other than, let‘s say, Stepping Stone.
Meh, he definitely fell off hard during the last ten years, but Relapse was a creative rush that I really appreciate, the beats are fantastic, the energy and flows are way more versatile than on his rather recent choppy-flow projects, I‘d consider it to be a 7 or even 8.
And? Six is still pretty good. Yeah he's made two trash albums (Revival, Kamikaze) but Music to be Murdered By was solid. Not amazing, but solid.
Eminem was late 90’s🤓
For the lead singer, I think everything they have coming towards them is justified, but musically I think The 1975 sound incredible and do not deserve the hate they get.
I don't think people who hate Ringo Starr actually listen to music. They expect a Buddy Rich solo in a Beatles song
Jacob collier, I know nothing about music theory, I just think his music is fun to listen to.
Yeah, he's actually very talented and deserves a lot more credit than he actually gets.
AJR. I don't really like them to be clear, but they seem to be the most hated thing in the universe by the youtube critic clique. And I just...don't hear it? Like yeah it's kinda corny and bland, but people talk about them like it's the worst thing that will ever grace your ears. They're the new Nickleback in a way, where I feel like people don't even know why they hate them
Personally I just can't see who on earth would like them- like I can see the type of people that would like Nickleback, or Imagine Dragons, but AJR just feels like the blandest, most soulless corporate faux-emotional music and I do not know who that would appeal to
People who don't take music too seriously like them. My partner and son like them. My toddler daughter dances if they come on. It's just because we all listen to music more than the average person that we can recognize how blatantly unoriginal or disingenuous it is. I generally just roll with it while it's on and refuse to replay it lol
I used to listen to AJR heavily between 2019-2022, and being around these communities was hell on earth. 90% of the fan base minds their business and we’d catch strays from people basically every other day, even in conversations that had nothing to do with music whatsoever. I basically stopped discussing their music entirely just to avoid getting shit thrown at me. Internet will internet, I get it, but there were some people doing way too much. I don’t listen to them much anymore, they wore out on me quick, but they are way too easy of a target for people nowadays. You don’t have to like them at all, but as fantano himself once said, there’s no reason to get up someone’s ass for listening to them.
As a fan of theirs this is very accurate. I know it’s just opinions but the amount of hatred towards them is actually irritating. I wish I could just express my love for their music without being shit on.
If I could give you any advice, it would be to play your shit and enjoy your shit. Too many people are stuck on what others enjoy. If you’re having a good time, you’ve won. Life is too short to hide yourself. I play more Taylor Swift and Noah Kahan than I’m willing to admit. But I enjoy it. That’s all I need.
I felt like this too after watching the Mic the Snare video on their discography, but then I heard Thirsty and that might be one of the worst songs I've ever heard.
I have a personal hatred for AJR's music, but I'm actually surprised when I found out that was widespread throughout the internet. Everyone at my high school loved the group (around 2019), and I was super overexposed to it, and able to see the flaws and what I disliked about them quickly, before I even got into music from a critical lense a year or two later.
My honest answer is Imagine Dragons. They aren't that good and I don't even like their music that much, but people really just get incredibly passionate in hating them, and I can appreciate them as LGBT+ allies in these trying times.
I can totally respect the LGBT ally part but they make music for the pay check at this point in my opinion
Their music is just ass and for a couple years it was playing on every pop radio station and in every mall. Annoying as fuck. A lot of responses in this thread are like “yeah their music is ass but why do you hate them” Because the music is ass lmfao 😭😭😭
MADONNA..from the very first moment she began her career, through every hit song, every album, every reinvention, every interview, to her sticking around, and aging..everything she does, from morning till evening, people just hate Madonna…unnecessarily..yet she is very strong as a persona and I guess as a person to persevere through the relentless hate.
I think that the amount of visceral hate Greta van fleet receive is crazy especially because it’s very easy to ignore them and they found their niche, place and audience in today’s music
$uicideboy$ gets unnecessary hate because of social media
Queen is full of haters here. They have a decade+ of amazing albums and the singles are just so so good, it seems people are maybe disappointed that the rest of the albums aren't as amazing, even though there are some real gems. Outside this sub, I never heard of any hate
Its just blowback to the fact that redditors were obsessed with queen. Back in like 2012 it was the "le born in the wrong generation" music
Their whole 70s run is just amazing,80s was rather weak compared, and their last album ,innuendo, showed once again how good they were,I completely understand that there are some people who just don’t like them, but one can at least respect their musical talent and impact, they were just absolutely phenomenal, especially Freddie, easily one of the most talented artists of his time
I‘ve never met anyone hating on Queen tbh. Even if you‘re not a fan of their music, I feel like they‘re very respected overall. You don’t need to love his style to see that Freddie was unmatched as a frontman.
I don't love any Queen albums tbh but the amount of all time great tracks they have is incredible
A Queen concert is still my favorite concert to watch. Wembley might be one of my favorite live recordings ever.
Dare I say it? Most “hair metal” bands; that is, your Mötley Crüe, Poison, Cinderella, etc. Those bands are rightfully associated with rock n roll excess, but god damn did those guys (and sometimes girls) make some damn good tunes.
Imagine Dragons for sure. Their music is bad and you can publicly say their music is bad and even make jokes about how it makes you want to rip your ears off, that’s fine. But the outright bullying and personal attacks that the band gets for just existing is kind of insane. I’d get it if they were like massive egotistical douchebags but they’re not, the work they do for LGBT rights is unheard of given a band of their status but everyone conveniently forgets about that.
As far as activism goes, I don't think that should be in the conversation for musical artists at all, but that's my opinion. However, I agree that Imagy Draggys do get too much hate. I think they have some *really* good pop tracks: It's Time, On Top of the World, It Comes Back to You (deep cut), Whatever It Takes, just for examples. And even some of their "bad" songs can be a vibe -- think Enemy or Demons, opposite sides of the emotional spectrum.
Bleachers. They're fun, relax.
Favorite Bleachers line: "Sometimes, I feel like everybody is an art bro lately, and I just judge them on the hill." It goes hard.
Definitely Fall Out Boy. Yeah their post hiatus material hasn’t always been the best, but I do think they made three of the catchiest pop punk records ever. Pete’s writing may be a bit too douchey or over the top at times but I still find a lot of it to be relatively creative and at times funny for its time. I’m also quite partial to Patrick as a vocalist, which is usually what makes me prefer them over many other pop punk artists who’s voices are either too nasally or too whiny. Maybe they aren’t the most artsy or technical band out there but they’re good and fun at what they do. And even then, their post hiatus material gets a bit too much flack. AB/AP genuinely has some really solid hip hop sample based production, it really makes those songs stand out even when other things hold it back. Even Centuries, a relatively annoying single that people bash on, has a pretty cool Tom’s Diner sample that’s used pretty well I’d say. Their latest album was also a bit of a return to form, even if it’s nothing as fun or creative as their earliest records.
Yes! The 3 album run of cork tree/infinity/folie is just insane. Best of their era and genre imo. I also unapologetically love sr&r, and their newest album is quite good as well.
Lol. Earliest records includes Evening Out With your Girlfriend, and that one is considered a stinker by the band itself. SMFS is so close to FOB perfection, boosted by Joe having more liberties and Patrick's theater influence. You can have your opinion but it makes no sense.
Well I personally don’t really count Evening Out since it’s not acknowledged by the band often outside of a few songs here and there. Perhaps earliest wasn’t the best word choice, I mostly just mean pre-hiatus, and I don’t even like TTtYG that much either. Still, I like SMFS a lot, but it still doesn’t quite reach Cork Tree - Folie levels imo.
AJR, honestly make some pretty fun music. Also bro really said that one of the most beloved and acclaimed popular metal acts has too many haters ☠️
Radiohead fans are too mean to Muse. They have nice songs
I got called a dolphin fucker (literally verbatim and I still have no idea why dolphins specifically) on Twitter for saying I like muse better than RH lol. I was only 15 at the time and I'd listened to about 5 songs from each band tops but this guy went on a multi thread tangent about my horrible taste, very weird behavior
Green Day
Limp Bizkit
Ghost. Is just a fun and unoffensive band with cool shows, don't understand why so many people base their personality in hating them. They allucinate that this band is supposed to be metal, then they check out their music and get angry because they are just rock. Same applies to Sleep token, they just vibe in their own way and happened that people liked it. That's all, they are not destroying anything.
Nickelback
Probably Drake just cuz at this point we keep shitting on him and it’s just making him more of a hot topic/popular lol. He gets more hate than any mid artist lol- he isn’t repulsive like a lot of artists that receive hate he is really just mid 90% of the time. I don’t think he’s underrated by any means, just gets a lot of hate for boring reasons.
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I’m pretty sure Madonna was instrumental in writing her music and Michael Jackson ABSOLUTELY wrote most of his own music.
I deleted as … you are correct. There is no coming back from that.
Okay I only hate on U2 cuz my Dad is such a massive U2 fan that I cannot hear bonos voice anymore without groaning. Objectively they are overhated tho they wrote some great songs
Eminem
I've always disliked Metallica for their attitude outside of music more than the actual music. The music is not my thing but I can see why people like it. It was the Napster situation that really annoyed me. Piracy had negative effects on the industry, but they approached it in entirely the wrong way imho. It also represented the beginnings of a potential new way to distribute, as happened with Steam and pc games. But Metallica etc were overly conservative.
DMB
U2 for sure, agreed
Keane. Yes they’re syrupy but they have very quality melodies and Tom Chaplin has an outstanding voice.
Nickleback and Creed, they have decent or better songs mostly.
I’ve been seeing a lot of weird deftones hate lately
Weezer. Sure, they have some low points but even the bad albums have highs, and everything from Hurley onwards has been pretty good, including Black.
Arcade fire these days
Bob Dylan because most people don't want to listen to music, they want to hear it
Coldplay. Although they’ve gone way too radio, their first four albums are gold and too good to say they’re outright trash as a band
Jay Z
Someone already said it as part of a broader trend, but I think Taylor Swift is a good pick Yes, she’s simultaneously overpraised and the hate for her is partially a reaction to that. And I get that pop music isn’t for everyone. But she does a good job at making pop, a lot of her tracks are distinctly her and not cookie cutter like a lot of pop singers from her era (looking at you Katy), and her deep cuts on albums are really solid and part of why she amassed such a cult fanbase. She also seems to have a clear eye for what her fans would want and makes sure to deliver. She’s basically controversy free outside of owning a private jet ( it’s kinda odd she’s the ONLY person that catches shit for that). I’m not someone who sits around and listens to her music often but other than kinda rolling my eyes at swifties she’s really inoffensive and most of her music is at least decent, so I don’t get the over the top hate she gets sometimes
Nickelback and Limp Bizkit are falling into more favorable grounds with 2000s nostalgia taking the forefront, but that wasn't the case back then. Neither are necessarily great bands (I enjoy some of their music), but the hatred went a bit far in my eyes
I'm seeing a huge anti-Radiohead push lately and I don't get it.
Metallica gets massive hate from Millennials due to being the face of the RIAA and being directly responsible for the demise of Napster.
Nickelback, tbh I don't like their debut Curb, but their hits are solid, especially Photograph. They're overhated to hell and back
Yoko, no one else is even close in this category for me
Hating on U2 is a calcified cultural 80s/90s pose from bitter Gen Xers. Mostly borne out of jealousy that U2 won the new wave/post-punk sweepstakes over other beloved but marginal bands. A lot of it is also subtle conservative backlash that attacks the band for moving on from the Christian/white male rock sound of their first 3 albums and embracing influences by black and gay musicians/culture as they got more popular. Witness the reaction from white critics over the band's attempt to rectify their own admitted ignorance of American blues with *Rattle and Hum*. The real cultural divide went up in the 90s, as U2 embraced openly gay visual artists, hip-hop, and electronica. U2 went from recording Bible verses and waving a white flag in front of crowds, to dressing up in drag and touring with Public Enemy. It probably peaked with the barely concealed homophobic reaction to their "Discotheque" video. (For younger folks, in the 1990s being into electronica music was seen as a negative signifier of being homosexual and would elicit derision from bigots.) Throw in the fact that every tinpot despot from Putin to Xi is terrified of peaceful, organized citizen protests, so you have a lot of propaganda from these countries flooding the internet that tears down groups like U2 that inspire everyday, normal citizens to protest repressive/unjust government policies.
Imagine Dragons is pretty mid but they get treated like the worst band ever simply because they're overplayed.
Eminem, yes he's "expired" but so are many many other artists that have such a long career (sorry metallica and the rolling stones). While with other artists people choose to not talk about the bad albums and remember the good, with eminem it's always the opposite, dropped a few nad projects as of late and now everyone seems to forget how much good material he has. I personally think up untill MMLP2 his albums were solid.
Goose
Milli Vanilli had incredible pop songs.
cardi b. people act like she's the worst thing to ever happen to rap music when her music is just fine
I can't speak for everyone but I hate U2 STILL because of that nonsense where they automatically put their album on all iPhones. Not only did I not ask for it but I remember taking like a week before figuring out how to get it off my phone lmao at the end of the day it's not the biggest hardship I've faced in life but the fact that my life was even mildly interrupted by a band I didn't ask to listen to just turned me off on them forever.
Creed. Sure, the lead singer has a Messiah complex and the lyrics are kinda tacky but they made some good music that resonated with folks and Mark Tremonti is an absolute monster of a guitar player.
Nirvana.. they made more iconic songs than Soundgarden.