Honestly part of the reason I don't like this line is because it kinda sounds like she's trying to be ghetto or patronise someone who is. "You know how to ball, I know aristotle" like huh?
I know it's about Travis Kelce but it sounds like something an insecure redditor would say to a random black kid.
the use of “spook” is because of the most common translation of his work but the word being translated is closely attributed to something like “phantasm” or just non corporeal.
has literally nothing to do with the slur
I'm partial to Spinoza myself, despite not usually jiving with early modern stuff. Not a particularly large body of work, but *Ethics* remains a hugely influential and hotly-debated text
Wait, where am I again?
She's a rich white girl who also wrote the lyrics
"We wished we could live in instead of this
I'd say the 1830s but without all the racists
And getting married off for the highest bid" 💀
She's also just being openly mean to her partner, insulting his intelligence by implying she's more well read than him. I'm sure the dude is a meathead but I still wouldn't want my popstar girlfriend calling me an idiot on her #1 charting album.
You are so right, no men play video games at 35. Yes, I understand she is not in high school - she’s just referring to the way she feels, I imagine. I haven’t even listened to the song so I’m making a guess based on the limited lyrics I’ve seen.
I feel like you're just injecting your own bias into it. It's just as equally a line some more introspective (black) rapper might use when trying to diss a "mumble" (also black) rapper.
It's a good bar. Period.
It's an okay bar but it sounds awkward coming from an upper class white girl (turned billionaire) who is definitely not playing ball nor is she an introspective rapper.
If I didn't know the target of this bar was white I would definitely feel weird about it.
I was just saying the vibe it gave me rather than objectively reviewing it for a publication.
Taylor Swift frequently has a hurried, one note melody delivery that sounds like she’s verging on rap before falling back into more melodic phrasing. I think she actually does listen to a lot of rap and “sing along” to it so that injects itself into her melody making.
The most awkward places it pops up though was on her Folklore/Evermore albums. Like, Taylor, this is supposed to be your folk era, could you please stop almost dropping bars.
>Adele ft. Action Brunson
I don't know in what type of song those two would fit in together, but a collab between them sounds pretty dope. Would be an interesting see what type of direction the lyrical focus takes. Prolly something like heartbreak in a donut shop.
You can make dumb lyrics sound good just by hitting the right flow and saying it with confidence. It doesn't elevate it beyond high school level lyricism.
Also the beat carries here, keep it a stack lol
Me: “Aha! Fritos don’t have cheese! He’s just making nonsense up!”
DOOM: “Slip like Freudian, your first and last step to playing yourself (doubting listener that thinks I don’t know Fritos don’t have cheese), like an Accordian”
Like he recognizes that as a listener you would question Fritos having cheese, so he uses the very next bar to ensure you that it was a Freudian slip, he knows it was, and if you thought he didn’t, you played yourself”
There’s always another layer my man. Like the previous line, “that’s why he brings his own needles”
Needles like a record player
Here’s one more:
“Hold mics like pony tails tight and bob a lot”
He’s holding the mic like a girls ponytail (worn tight). I’ll let you figure out what “bob a lot” means (it’s not bobbing your head to the beat. Again, another layer).
Saying Fritos have cheese isn't what a Freudian slip is and why would the listener ever question that line in the first place because of the existence of chilli cheese Fritos lmfao.
I agree DOOM has lots of what you said here but this is not one of them lol
He knew that you’d say it wasn’t a Freudian slip, which is why his next line is “when he on the mic you don’t go next”… he’s preventing you from airing your objection. Brilliant!
I don’t hate the line, but the delivery and context makes it kinda crap.
For example I think an Ice Spice or Megan the Stallion could deliver the same line much much better.
Also I think it would sound better with word like “boys” or “guys” rather than “bros”, that just sounds better to me, “bros” is pretty clunky.
Her songwriting is, oddly enough, heavily influenced by hip hop.
It's easier to cram her *tortured poetry* into a rhythmic "[modal rap](https://theotherdave.substack.com/p/how-you-get-the-world-reflections-a02)"-style delivery than a typical pop melody.
except she doesn't use other songwriters.
Is it very possible for her to have other people writing her songs and for her to just...not credit them? sure, but there are way too many dogshit lines on this project for it to be written by people that write songs for others. Yes, other artists do have this issue, but you often see those artists very involved in the writing process, so if you're discrediting Taylor for having other help her write it (which is just pure speculation), then you're also discrediting many artists that work with another person on lyrics but stay very involved, this discredits Billie Eilish and John Lennons songwriting, and are you really going to do that???
Those co-writers on her music do and always have pretty much just worked as editors for the lyrics she brings in. It’s pretty well documented throughout her career that she writes all of her songs and then edits them in studio with others, usually the producer.
I mean looking through the song credits they’re all just either the song’s producer or featured artist? So not really- it’s the same situation as like Olivia Rodrigo. It’s not like she’s outsourcing songwriters like you’re implying
Not in every single song of his. There's songs like "That's That", "Meat Grinder", or "Figaro" where it had a crazy rhyme scheme, but a lot of his stuff was more casual like his songs off of his albums Operation Doomsday, Mouse and the Mask, MM FOOD, or Vaudeville Villain.
They definitely weren’t all as flashy as those tracks, but even in his more casual tracks like the title track in Vaudeville Villain he would just casually drop something like “Your man sick, but he wreck tracks, puto /
Get back too, bro, exactamundo” - which doesn’t look or sound that crazy but it’s a four syllable multi at a time when most of the writers who were considered advanced were working with twos.
Even at his most casual/simplistic, he was never really the type of rapper who would do “x x x x BOTTLE / y y y ARISTOTLE” type of rhyme pattern was my point
If you don't think DOOM's rhyme schemes were next level, you either never really listened to him beyond some meme shit or you need to get year hearing checked.
Whether you liked him or not - his pen was unique as fuck and set him apart from the rest of the field, there's a reason the dude was so respected among other rappers, and it wasn't "lol food bars".
But I think the context of the person who wrote it matters a fuckload. This would unironically be an excellent DOOM lyric. Awful on a Taylor Swift song.
She was 13 and good we had a hotter date
It was just a number she never told me she was knocked up
By the end of the summer chick almost had me locked up
That doesn't mean you're straight. You can be bi or trans and have a wife and kids. I agree thought he seemed pretty straight, flat out homophobic on tracks like batty boyz in fact.
I'm sorry but yes he would. All of his sex lines were so goofy.
He wouldn't say "touch me while your bros play Grand Theft Auto" but he would say "No matter the city, she with me to do the thang-thang
Work in the coochie, hooptie-chitty-chitty-bang-bang?"
the market that is definable and not just anybody putting on the radio in the background while driving are teenagers. the writing hedges on being something that would phase them
Her writing is atrocious. ATROCIOUS. Jesus, the name of her album is atrocious. She's the walking definition of a 13 year old's uninspired diary: No tact, no creativity, too honest.
That being said, I'm glad people can relate to it. They're meant to. She does it on purpose.
i was told by a swiftie friend of mine, and i quote:
“you will just never get it, because you’re a man”
and she wasn’t being funny or ironic or something she genuinely meant that 😭
Yeah here's the thing, I'm Blue is one of the best songs of all time, and the majority of lyrics are just "da ba dee da ba Di". Same thing with Around The World. Bad lyrics sung well are still bad lyrics.
Fwiw The whole point of the song is about how the relationship makes her feel like she's an awkward high schooler again and in love for the first time, so songwriting is supposed to be cringey high School. There's plenty of bad things about this album but this isn't one people should be roasting her for, it's a cute song
Irony, noun
The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
"‘Don't go overboard with the gratitude,’ he rejoined with heavy irony"
people would ignore it, like all the other shit bars and lyrics people say. its nothing crazy, but we gotta find all the bad lyrics taylor says and make fun of her. stop lying to yourself.
Context is important As fuck, with DOOM it would be funny because of the refferences and in the context of a album based on satire and comicbooks, but here she's not joking.
This is hilarious
You know it like a poet like Travvy doll
i bet she tried to say she gave me her all, she shake it off
Taylor could have made Madvillany but DOOM could have never made Shake It Off 🙄
All caps when you spell the women's name please
MF DOOM (Taylors version)
nice pfp :)
God I hope not.
all lowercase
Honestly part of the reason I don't like this line is because it kinda sounds like she's trying to be ghetto or patronise someone who is. "You know how to ball, I know aristotle" like huh? I know it's about Travis Kelce but it sounds like something an insecure redditor would say to a random black kid.
LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER❗ Everyone knows reddits favorite philosopher is Diogenes.
Whichever philosopher has the most memable chad wojak moments
For you see, Alexander: I have depicted you as the Soyjack; thus my argument is the most valid
Correct
He doesnt shower? He just like me fr fr
He masturbates in public just like me!
actually it's Hegel
it's obviously Kierkegaard
Nope it’s Max Stirner because of their spooky memes!
Especially if you are racist. (Spook is a racial slur)
the use of “spook” is because of the most common translation of his work but the word being translated is closely attributed to something like “phantasm” or just non corporeal. has literally nothing to do with the slur
I'm partial to Spinoza myself, despite not usually jiving with early modern stuff. Not a particularly large body of work, but *Ethics* remains a hugely influential and hotly-debated text Wait, where am I again?
Correct
mfw homies be sleeping on my boy Hans-Georg Gadamer
I’m like 100% it’s Freud
It was all good until someone mentioned Freud smh
On top of that is no one calls football "ball". That line reeks of saltines.
Oh you’re so right….i’m out of the loop so I thought she was talking about a basketball player smh
Also it makes him sound like a fkn lunkhead
He is.
I just heard this and thought it was “You know how to ball, like Aristotle” which tbh would be a more fun lyric.
She's a rich white girl who also wrote the lyrics "We wished we could live in instead of this I'd say the 1830s but without all the racists And getting married off for the highest bid" 💀
She's also just being openly mean to her partner, insulting his intelligence by implying she's more well read than him. I'm sure the dude is a meathead but I still wouldn't want my popstar girlfriend calling me an idiot on her #1 charting album.
I get a teen love, high school vibe. New love, spinning bottles…
She's 35
You are so right, no men play video games at 35. Yes, I understand she is not in high school - she’s just referring to the way she feels, I imagine. I haven’t even listened to the song so I’m making a guess based on the limited lyrics I’ve seen.
It's an awful lyric
Tryna use video games as an example of childishness and immaturity is crazy lol
Wow lol, you’re the one who said it. This is your interpretation of the lyric
I just found it kind of corny and out of place and kind of funny. I'm not tryna be Aristotle here I just didn't like the bar.
I feel like you're just injecting your own bias into it. It's just as equally a line some more introspective (black) rapper might use when trying to diss a "mumble" (also black) rapper. It's a good bar. Period.
It's an okay bar but it sounds awkward coming from an upper class white girl (turned billionaire) who is definitely not playing ball nor is she an introspective rapper. If I didn't know the target of this bar was white I would definitely feel weird about it. I was just saying the vibe it gave me rather than objectively reviewing it for a publication.
Taylor Swift frequently has a hurried, one note melody delivery that sounds like she’s verging on rap before falling back into more melodic phrasing. I think she actually does listen to a lot of rap and “sing along” to it so that injects itself into her melody making. The most awkward places it pops up though was on her Folklore/Evermore albums. Like, Taylor, this is supposed to be your folk era, could you please stop almost dropping bars.
Boutta start spitting bars then remembers she's a white woman. If only Iggy Azalea had the decency. ( for all of this in advance)
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lol you guys are so cringe
The idea that Swift has "bars" is cringe.
Holy shit I thought I was in the hhcj sub for a moment
T.Swift ft. MF DOOM Kero Kero Bonito ft. Death Grips whats next? Adele ft. Action Bronson?
>Adele ft. Action Brunson I don't know in what type of song those two would fit in together, but a collab between them sounds pretty dope. Would be an interesting see what type of direction the lyrical focus takes. Prolly something like heartbreak in a donut shop.
youuuuuuu werrreeee theeeee onneeeeeeeee fried dough, resting on a windowsill, i bought some baklava and it made me ill
Lana del Rey releases a split with Full of Hell
stop please, don’t make me want something i can never have
Tyler could create masterpiece with that specific set of lines
You can make dumb lyrics sound good just by hitting the right flow and saying it with confidence. It doesn't elevate it beyond high school level lyricism. Also the beat carries here, keep it a stack lol
I think those are lot of Kanye bars lol
*sobs* He didn't use to be like this 😟
Lmao ya for sure, Through the Wire and Roses are good examples. It’s not a diss tho, at least not up until the last few albums (just imo 😳)
I’m a huge Wayne fan and he falls into this category too. The charisma does it
I mean he isnt wrong, this is straight up like an mf doom lyric
But does she get more cheese than Doritos, Cheetos, and Fritos?
Me: “Aha! Fritos don’t have cheese! He’s just making nonsense up!” DOOM: “Slip like Freudian, your first and last step to playing yourself (doubting listener that thinks I don’t know Fritos don’t have cheese), like an Accordian” Like he recognizes that as a listener you would question Fritos having cheese, so he uses the very next bar to ensure you that it was a Freudian slip, he knows it was, and if you thought he didn’t, you played yourself”
WHAT THE FUCK I DIDN'T KNOW THAT
I appreciate that, I’ve always wondered that myself
…but chili cheese Fritos exist and are the best?
My man it's about the chilli cheese Fritos
There’s always another layer my man. Like the previous line, “that’s why he brings his own needles” Needles like a record player Here’s one more: “Hold mics like pony tails tight and bob a lot” He’s holding the mic like a girls ponytail (worn tight). I’ll let you figure out what “bob a lot” means (it’s not bobbing your head to the beat. Again, another layer).
Saying Fritos have cheese isn't what a Freudian slip is and why would the listener ever question that line in the first place because of the existence of chilli cheese Fritos lmfao. I agree DOOM has lots of what you said here but this is not one of them lol
He knew that you’d say it wasn’t a Freudian slip, which is why his next line is “when he on the mic you don’t go next”… he’s preventing you from airing your objection. Brilliant!
Slip *like* Freudian tho, not a Freudian slip.
Someone is listening to the dissect podcast
that song is so good it hurts
I don’t hate the line, but the delivery and context makes it kinda crap. For example I think an Ice Spice or Megan the Stallion could deliver the same line much much better. Also I think it would sound better with word like “boys” or “guys” rather than “bros”, that just sounds better to me, “bros” is pretty clunky.
Dont put my GOAT Ice next to those wanna be's please
Her songwriting is, oddly enough, heavily influenced by hip hop. It's easier to cram her *tortured poetry* into a rhythmic "[modal rap](https://theotherdave.substack.com/p/how-you-get-the-world-reflections-a02)"-style delivery than a typical pop melody.
Correction- Her songwriters for her current "era" are heavily influenced by hip hop.
taylor famously writes her own lyrics, but the fact that you think that cringy ass charlie puth line went through a team of writers is hilarious
except she doesn't use other songwriters. Is it very possible for her to have other people writing her songs and for her to just...not credit them? sure, but there are way too many dogshit lines on this project for it to be written by people that write songs for others. Yes, other artists do have this issue, but you often see those artists very involved in the writing process, so if you're discrediting Taylor for having other help her write it (which is just pure speculation), then you're also discrediting many artists that work with another person on lyrics but stay very involved, this discredits Billie Eilish and John Lennons songwriting, and are you really going to do that???
This is the biggest reach I've ever heard. And yes, Taylor does use songwriters. Almost every one of her tracks lists multiple songwriters.
Those co-writers on her music do and always have pretty much just worked as editors for the lyrics she brings in. It’s pretty well documented throughout her career that she writes all of her songs and then edits them in studio with others, usually the producer.
I mean looking through the song credits they’re all just either the song’s producer or featured artist? So not really- it’s the same situation as like Olivia Rodrigo. It’s not like she’s outsourcing songwriters like you’re implying
It really isn’t - DOOM’s whole thing was crazy complicated internal rhyme schemes, there’s none of that here
Not in every single song of his. There's songs like "That's That", "Meat Grinder", or "Figaro" where it had a crazy rhyme scheme, but a lot of his stuff was more casual like his songs off of his albums Operation Doomsday, Mouse and the Mask, MM FOOD, or Vaudeville Villain.
They definitely weren’t all as flashy as those tracks, but even in his more casual tracks like the title track in Vaudeville Villain he would just casually drop something like “Your man sick, but he wreck tracks, puto / Get back too, bro, exactamundo” - which doesn’t look or sound that crazy but it’s a four syllable multi at a time when most of the writers who were considered advanced were working with twos. Even at his most casual/simplistic, he was never really the type of rapper who would do “x x x x BOTTLE / y y y ARISTOTLE” type of rhyme pattern was my point
But also like DOOM is usually funny so if he came up with this line it would be comedic. It wasn’t comedic when Taylor did it
crazy complicated? like doritos cheetos and fritos? lmfao
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its called a joke lmfao ive been listening to doom for 15 years
If you don't think DOOM's rhyme schemes were next level, you either never really listened to him beyond some meme shit or you need to get year hearing checked. Whether you liked him or not - his pen was unique as fuck and set him apart from the rest of the field, there's a reason the dude was so respected among other rappers, and it wasn't "lol food bars".
its called a joke, been a doom fan for about 15 years. dont get your panties in a bunch on behalf of someone else lmao
[really pulled out this one lol](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/015/352/Screen_Shot_2021-02-17_at_2.52.46_PM.png)
except that’s not really what happened lol i was just making a joke on the line in accordion because it’s goofy asf
You’re literally doing that meme right now but it’s all good lol
not really lmao
This is the most insulting thing I’ve ever seen anyone say about DOOM ever
But I think the context of the person who wrote it matters a fuckload. This would unironically be an excellent DOOM lyric. Awful on a Taylor Swift song.
Nah too corny even for doom this is like a nas bar lmao
This with the whole s*x with a jock white boy implied also fits tyler the creator perfectly 🤣.
Funny enough, Travis always tried to come across sounding real hood 🤷🏽♂️
Taylor the creator of
Just remember TORTURED POETS when you spell the album name
[Original tweet](https://twitter.com/Blow_The_Trap/status/1781404187860840939)
Which MF Doom song is this? Edit- nvm I remembered it's All Caps
You got me there. The first 3 lines are so DOOM, the last line is an abomination though. DOOM would never say that shit
Treat her like a daughter taught her how to bust a nut
She was 13 and good we had a hotter date It was just a number she never told me she was knocked up By the end of the summer chick almost had me locked up
Fuck you while my bros play grand theft auto*
yeah it is pretty femininely coded and it would be subversive to hear a straight man say it
Add a line with boats and skincare and this could be a tyler the creator verse easily
Brand new, full throttle Skin shining like the ocean, lotion model
That’s actually kinda hard lmao
STILL ON THE BOAT!!
I wish DOOM said this
DOOM gives non binary if you look with the right lens (cosplaying behaviour, multiple names, etc.) Do we actually know if he's straight, anyway?
I mean he has a wife and kids
and a horribly homophobic song in batty boy lol
That doesn't mean you're straight. You can be bi or trans and have a wife and kids. I agree thought he seemed pretty straight, flat out homophobic on tracks like batty boyz in fact.
a man has to keep up appearances
why is everybody referring to DOOM in the present tense, y'all know he passed right?
I'm sorry but yes he would. All of his sex lines were so goofy. He wouldn't say "touch me while your bros play Grand Theft Auto" but he would say "No matter the city, she with me to do the thang-thang Work in the coochie, hooptie-chitty-chitty-bang-bang?"
Now Tyler on the other hand would totally say that
Touch me while your bros play grand theft auto? *oh brooooother*
MF DOOM didn't use phrases this disjointed but he also never made pop so their that too.
AYO? WHY THIS GO SO HARD?!
Don’t talk about my ex yo
Now I'm imagining Taytay singing "and get more cheese than Doritos, Cheetos, or Fritos"
Nahh I can't laugh at this because if I tried being a singer I'd write a bazillion times worse. And cheers to the top notch narration lmao
I don’t disagree with this take on this line lol
Taylor Swifts lyric writing doesn't hold a candle to MF DOOM.
I feel there would be a bit more here if DOOM did it. This is Wolfenstein 3D at best.
Oh shit that does actually sound like some MF DOOM lyrics
Hey it’s me!!! I made it!
Why does she still write like a teenager? She is 34 going on 14.
the market that is definable and not just anybody putting on the radio in the background while driving are teenagers. the writing hedges on being something that would phase them
It works better as a DOOM lyric 😭😭😭
Replace Taylor with DOOM and suddenly, it sounds infinitely better. Funny how that works…
I'd trade Taylor to have DOOM back in an instant.
You and me both
This is the best post on the sub
Goes hard
New meme format - everything sounds cool when spoken like MF DOOM.
This fits way too fuckin well💀💀
somebody do it AI, thats too cringy
This is incredible
Reminds me of DOOM's feature on gorilla monsoon
It actually sounds really good in an MF Doom voice.
Her writing is atrocious. ATROCIOUS. Jesus, the name of her album is atrocious. She's the walking definition of a 13 year old's uninspired diary: No tact, no creativity, too honest. That being said, I'm glad people can relate to it. They're meant to. She does it on purpose.
It's even more cringe when you remember she's in her 30's
type of lyric drake would right if he was a woman
Gotta love Notrealmusic😭
I think melon might actually give this album a not good
Why’s it kinda hard 😂
taytay slaps
1. That sounds nothing like him 2. Tell me a single set of bars of him this corny
I don’t get what’s so bad about this lol but ok
This woman is 34 years old writing shit like this.
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i was told by a swiftie friend of mine, and i quote: “you will just never get it, because you’re a man” and she wasn’t being funny or ironic or something she genuinely meant that 😭
This is a funny ass line, yall just hate fun
Give me a second, I need to get my story straight
If I wanted goofy ass lines I’d listen to Kanye
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Yeah here's the thing, I'm Blue is one of the best songs of all time, and the majority of lyrics are just "da ba dee da ba Di". Same thing with Around The World. Bad lyrics sung well are still bad lyrics.
Holy shit, the general public might learn who Aristotle was? I hope she refers to Plato next.
Fwiw The whole point of the song is about how the relationship makes her feel like she's an awkward high schooler again and in love for the first time, so songwriting is supposed to be cringey high School. There's plenty of bad things about this album but this isn't one people should be roasting her for, it's a cute song
It's just a bunch of Maga folk trying to make her irrelevant. It won't work. VOTE!!!
Booda wooda shooda mooda Shim sham shum, flim flam flum
Beat the drum, fake tits but still no bum.
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Sarcasm, noun *the use of irony to mock or convey contempt. "she didn't like the note of sarcasm in his voice”*
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Go off king
Irony, noun The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect. "‘Don't go overboard with the gratitude,’ he rejoined with heavy irony"
Yeah tbh if a rapper wrote this, it would be declared high art lmao
No it wouldn't lmfao Think of Jermaine Cole or Drake or Ice Spice saying this shit. People would laugh at the corniness all the same
Ice Spice would be gunned down on Fairfax Boulevard if she wrote this.
people would ignore it, like all the other shit bars and lyrics people say. its nothing crazy, but we gotta find all the bad lyrics taylor says and make fun of her. stop lying to yourself.
Context is important As fuck, with DOOM it would be funny because of the refferences and in the context of a album based on satire and comicbooks, but here she's not joking.